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MythTV 0.20 Released

Hemos posted more than 7 years ago | from the build-your-own dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The latest version of MythTV, the open source PVR application for Linux, has been released. New features (as documented in the release notes) include a new menu system, an improved internal DVD player, support for DVB radio channels, and mouse support. There is also a new plugin – MythArchive – which allows recordings be written to DVD. You can download MythTV from MythTV.org."

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I so wish this were on FreeBSD (2, Informative)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081418)

It (and better TV Tuner drivers) are probably the only things that really make me want Linux over FreeBSD. Still, it's a nice release, even if I can't use it.

Re:I so wish this were on FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16081431)

you can run myth just fine on freebsd - its just that tner drivers are a problem, more so than on linux.

Re:I so wish this were on FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081693)

so now I'm a troll for wanting this piece of software under my OS of choice. Nice. Real nice.

Re:I so wish this were on FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081726)

hmm... People are playing Karma roulette with my first post.

Glad I could provide some fun and games I guess...

Re:I so wish this were on FreeBSD (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16081757)

Get a life, you fucking whining cumgobbler!

Re:I so wish this were on FreeBSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16082016)

Still, it's a nice release, even if I can't use it.

Ah, but you CAN use it! Here's a simple 3-step process to using it:

1. Install linux.
2. Install MythTV.
5. Stop whining.

Happy Birthday America!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16081419)

woot !

Did everyone accept Jesus, and get born again? (1)

agent (7471) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081485)

By The Way, it is w00t !

Re: I am British (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16081530)

And in real English it's woot !

Questions (3, Interesting)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081432)

For you Myth users out there, I have a few questions:

  1. Is it possible to create "playlists" of TV Shows? Say I wanted to rip all my futurama DVDs to a Myth box and play them at random. Could I do that?
  2. Are there any reputable places that will put together a box for me?

Thanks. Congrats to the MythTV team

Re:Questions (4, Informative)

bshensky (110723) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081608)


Playlist of TV shows have been available in 0.19 - works very nicely for my 5 year old!

(Not that I'm putting him in front of the tube with a playlist and walking away just like that. That would be wrong. But those darned Thomas the Tank Engine episodes are only 4 minutes long apiece!)

Re:Questions (5, Informative)

ParadoxDruid (602583) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081665)

Is it possible to create "playlists" of TV Shows? Say I wanted to rip all my futurama DVDs to a Myth box and play them at random. Could I do that?
I don't know about MythTV, but I have all my Futurama DVDs ripped to my Linux box, and have a "Random episode" icon on my desktop that runs this bash script:
#!/bin/bash
count=`ls /home/paradox/media_drive/Media/Futurama |wc -l`
let "pick = $RANDOM % $count"
let "pick += 1"
kaffeine "/home/paradox/media_drive/Media/Futurama/`ls /home/paradox/media_drive/Media/Futurama |sed -n "$pick"p`"

Re:Questions (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081773)

One thing I want to know... how well does it support smart "season passes" like TiVo? (I've never used myth, sorry)

E.g., if I have two shows to record, one of them is "high priority" and has precedence over the "low priority" show (i.e., high priority shows get recorded first, while low priority shows get recorded later (days/hours) if there's a conflict). Now, if the low priority show suddenly has a single showing the conflicts, while the high priority show has a rerun later, TiVo will record the low priority in preference, then schedule to record the rerun. Of course, if both shows are single showing and conflict, only the high priority show gets recorded.

(Extend example to multiple shows and across multiple tuners, as well - dual tuners gets rid of a two-way conflict, but it is possible to have more). Ditto with shows you pick to record...

Re:Questions (2, Insightful)

slashbob22 (918040) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081977)

One thing I want to know... how well does it support smart "season passes" like TiVo? (I've never used myth, sorry)
It works very well in this way. You can set fine grained priority settings to each individual recording or entire season recordings. In my experience (and I haven't seen a setting otherwise) the application stores information on shows within the next 2 weeks. If the first conflict arose as described: the high level one would be postponed to a later viewing IFF it has a later viewing (within 2 weeks) and the low priority did not.

I only run a single tuner, but I find it enough for my tv habits. I _think you can run as many as physically possible in your box. I can't give you examples of every single recording conflict an how it handles it - there is likely some documentation on it (site is slashdotted though).

I have been extremely happy with the season recording features and once the system is configured MythTV runs like a charm.

Sounds fascinating (1)

Stormscape (998750) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081453)

I think I might give this application a whirl. It's not like it costs money.

Re:Sounds fascinating (2, Interesting)

jridley (9305) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081857)

No, but it costs time. I've used Linux as a server OS since Slackware 1.0, and have no problems configuring most things, but to date I've spent three solid days over the last 18 months on various attempts to get Myth working. Hell, I went out and bought components based on recommendations for them being good video card and capture card to use with Myth, and I still couldn't get anything that worked.

The most recent time, after blowing an entire weekend screwing around, I finally restored my Win2K backup that I'd made before I started, installed GBPVR and in about 5 minutes was up and running, and have been happy with that ever since.

Re:Sounds fascinating (1)

bouchecl (1001775) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082075)

The amount of difficulty involved depends on the distro you use. I've had good luck with Fedora Core (3, 4 and 5), using binary rpms from atrpms and the nice howto written and updated by Jarod Wilson (http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php [wilsonet.com] ). Setting up a backend should not take more than a day, even for someone with limited Linux experience like me. And the setup of a frontend workstation is a matter of yum'ing the rpms and install the various packages. Knoppmyth is a good distro for the Debian fans out there.

Re:Sounds fascinating (2, Interesting)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082096)

I've spent three solid days over the last 18 months on various attempts to get Myth working

Ah, a casual user then :-) Took me at least a week (but then I was compiling Gentoo on a diddy 1.2GHz Epia box)

MythTV is complex to set up because it is doing complex stuff - plus its supporting lots of different modes of use (analogue TV, DVB, with/without hardware MPEG are all rather different kettles of fish).

Any free/open (and especially non-windows) media centre is liable to be driver hell - there is not much that developers can do when TV cards rely on firmware "blobs" and manufacturers play musical chairs with chipsets without changing model numbers or packaging - and a media centre relies on so many different drivers.

When MythTV is working it is jolly impressive - the new release sounds like it fills a lot of important gaps (DVD archiving was a glaring ommission).

Re:Sounds fascinating (3, Informative)

WwonderLlama (512526) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082115)

While it's true that not everyone has an easy time of setting up MythTV, the other side is that there are tons of people that have no problems at all getting it working.

My first installs of MythTV went decently well, but I had some hurdles due to the Linux flavor I used. However, there are _great_ guides that walk you through the install. There are also some "install a MythTV system" distrobutions (KnoppMyth, MythDora, etc) that do a basically complete system/Myth install with minimal configuration. And above all, the user community is fantastic. If you have problems, search the mailing list archives (lots of problems have been addressed before). If you can't find an answer, just show us your problem and say "can you help?".

I'd suggest that anyone not comfortable with Linux and mailinglists first attempt an install with Knoppmyth (http://mysettopbox.tv/)(or MythDora). The hardware is autodetected for you, and the forum-based support is very helpful.

new features (5, Informative)

samsonov (581161) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081457)

Since the poor mythtv site appears to be slashdotted already:

Major changes

* Menus are now drawn by MythUI using OpenGL. This option can be enabled/disabled in the Appearance settings.
* Improved internal DVD player - now supporting menus and other missing features
* Added MHEG content implementation (Interactive TV in UK)
* Added Hotplug support for removable media in Media Monitor and MythGallery
* Added support for the HDHomeRun encoding device
* Added support for basic FreeBox recorders
* Added support for H.264 (aka MPEG-4 AVC) TS decoding
* Added an MPEG1/MPEG2/MPEG4-AVC IP network recorder
* Added internal UPnP support for TV and Music
* Added experimental second commercial detector
* New socket class for backend communications
* OSD image cache which improves channel changing speed
* Fixed program transition while Watching LiveTV
* Added beginnings of firewire capture support for MacOS
* Support for DVB radio channels and guide data collected via EIT for them
* Added mouse support in menus, including gestures

* Menus are now drawn by MythUI using OpenGL. This option can be enabled/disabled in the Appearance settings.
* Improved internal DVD player - now supporting menus and other missing features
* Added MHEG content implementation (Interactive TV in UK)
* Added Hotplug support for removable media in Media Monitor and MythGallery
* Added support for the HDHomeRun encoding device
* Added support for basic FreeBox recorders
* Added support for H.264 (aka MPEG-4 AVC) TS decoding
* Added an MPEG1/MPEG2/MPEG4-AVC IP network recorder
* Added internal UPnP support for TV and Music
* Added experimental second commercial detector
* New socket class for backend communications
* OSD image cache which improves channel changing speed
* Fixed program transition while Watching LiveTV
* Added beginnings of firewire capture support for MacOS
* Support for DVB radio channels and guide data collected via EIT for them
* Added mouse support in menus, including gestures

Re:new features (5, Informative)

tji (74570) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081637)

MythTV could really use a marketing guy to help with the new releases (actually, there are many open source projects that could benefit from this). The list of highly technical updates to MythTV don't really do justice to where MythTV is today.

As a MythTV user, here is what I see as important, and having improved in 0.20:

- MythTV is a free / open source PVR application, with support for analog, digital, and HDTV recording in most international standards (i.e. it's usable in the U.S., Europe, Asia, etc.). It includes many features not available in commercial PVR products.
    - Automatic commercial detection and removal, or manual skip forward/back.
    - Transcode of video to other formats/resolutions -- including DVD export in 0.20.
    - Network based structure, allowing 'backend' recording storage on different machine than the 'frontend' display. (i.e. stick the backend with all the cable connections, antennas, loud fans and tons of disk in the basement, put a small/quiet frontend near your TV for output.)
    - HDTV support: With supported HD capture card, terrestrial broadcast HD and Cable HD are supported (with the exception of encrypted cable HD channels - which cannot be decrypted on any PC PVR)
    - Improved MacOS X support. The 0.20 version has greatly improved the Mac support, especially for the Intel based Macs. Performance optimizations for HD video playback make the Core Duo Mac Minis a great choice for a small/quiet frontend box.

Re:new features (1, Insightful)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081688)

It's a changelog, not a marketing statement. It lets you know what changed. Plain as that.

What the parent poster meant... (2, Insightful)

CyberLord Seven (525173) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081909)

...is that MythTV could use a bit of exposure to the great masses of people out there who are completely unaware of this software, yet who could use it to their benefit. The parent understands the purpose of the release notes while observing that something else could help the program more.

Re:What the parent poster meant... (1)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082036)

MythTV could use a bit of exposure to the great masses of people out there who are completely unaware of this software, yet who could use it to their benefit

The kind of people who need it explained in adspeak aren't going to get very far with installing it anyway.

Re:new features (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081873)

"MythTV could really use a marketing guy to help with the new releases"

Who's going to pay them?

Re:new features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16082193)

Open Source is not just for programmers...

There are plenty of other people involved and I'm sure more people would be willing to donate their efforts if they knew how.

Several projects have non-programmers involved in things like: Documentation, testing, www management, graphic design, etc.

I think all that's really needed in this case is a brief product launch checklist, and maybe a few template documents as examples.

Re:new features (2, Informative)

Captain_Chaos (103843) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082181)

HDTV support: With supported HD capture card, terrestrial broadcast HD and Cable HD are supported (with the exception of encrypted cable HD channels - which cannot be decrypted on any PC PVR)

Maybe not for ATSC (the American standard), but I can watch the encrypted HD test channels on my digital cable connection without problems via my DVB-C (the European standard) card. I did have to add the channels manually though, the channel scanner did not find them automatically (although this is one of the things that reportedly has been fixed in 0.20).

Re:new features (1)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081683)

* Added MHEG content implementation (Interactive TV in UK)

It should be noted that MHEG-5 is currently only used in the UK on DVB- T , not DVB-S (hopefully this will change when FreeSat gets off the ground next year). ATM all the interactive content on DVB-S is propriatory (not-so-)OpenTV stuff. :(

now let's bring the site down! (-1, Offtopic)

lems1 (163074) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081479)

yeah, let's all just blast the site with so many request to DDoS the box!!

oh, this is slashdot, no need to actually agree on that...

Win32 version (3, Funny)

paganizer (566360) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081506)

All I want to know is, is where is the win32 version? this would be SWEET running on WinME!
(yes, obviously my karma is too good)

Re:Win32 version (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081712)

All I want to know is, is where is the win32 version? this would be SWEET running on WinME!

I dont understand why the funny mod...

I have just bought a DVB usb dongle for my Notebook and I would like to try it out. I have Kubuntu installed, however it is very unstable and I usually only log in to "play" with it (wireless does not work, graphics card incompatible, etc etc etc...).

So I would have the same question, is there any kind of Win32 version?, now that I think about it, MythTV would be excellent for a "Vmware Appliance", is there anything like that out?>

Re:Win32 version (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081797)

Oh, and I just thought that, I dont know if the USB DVB dongle I bought work in Linux so maybe it would be impossible to use it there (it is an ebay cheapo usb-dvb dongle). Does anyone know anything about the compatiblity of those things?

I would really love to test this PVR thing as I have read a lot about them but have never used one of them (I dont watch almost any TV... usually just rent movies via screenselet).

Re:Win32 version (1)

rmallico (831443) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081798)

dont' think the hardware would be supported in vmware... i don't think they have accelerated DX9 drivers for vmware... they are SVGA ones...

Re:Win32 version (2, Funny)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081769)

this would be SWEET running on WinMCE!

There, fixed that for you.

Re:Win32 version (1)

thgreatoz (623808) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081906)

I think you missed the joke.

Re:Win32 version (2, Informative)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082105)

No, I think he got the joke and did it one better.

In case you missed it, WinMCE is Microsoft's lame attempt to make their version of MythTV. It is much less complete, much more annoying, and costs a lot more. Plus, it's counted as a fully ready product, while MythTv is only saying they are at 0.20. In other words, Nowhere near done.

Man, explaining jokes always takes the fun out of them -sigh-

Re:Win32 version (0, Offtopic)

paganizer (566360) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081828)

Interesting? come on, folks. I was trying to inspire blind hatred by that post. the next time I check here I better be trolled to oblivion or funny, but not interesting. gak.

Re:Win32 version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16081870)

Those who try too hard often fail.

Reflect upon this.

A Year of MythTV (5, Informative)

feld (980784) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081515)

I've been running MythTV for about a year now and let me tell you -- TV can't get any better.

I have the shows I want whenever I want them. Sure, sure, you can do this with Tivo. But can you also watch those recorded shows over your home network on other PCs? Burn to DVD? My MythTV box also is my torrent box, fileserver, IRC proxy, IMAP server....

Let's put it this way -- more features than Tivo, and they can't control what you do with it. Go ahead, skip all the commercials you want. Keep your recordings as long as you want. The Man can't keep you down when you're running this system.

Also, when that commercial flag becomes law (I think it's still up in the air), MythTV plans to use it to identify commercials and intentionally skip them. Eat that, capitalist pigs ;)

Re:A Year of MythTV (2, Insightful)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081585)

You missed some of the best features; Video storage.

I burn a backup of my dvds, store them on my myth box. Watch them whenever I want, with just the click of a button.

Re:A Year of MythTV (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082094)

What hardware are you using (specifically, which tuner card(s))? And are you doing TV out, and again with what specific hardware?

Seconded! (4, Informative)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081669)

Seconded! MythTV is friggin' awesome. It eats the commercials, shares the shows over the network (NFS and SMB), lets me dump my MP3s onto it for playing, supports multiple heads (and backends), and more. I don't even use half the features of the software, and it still blows me away.

I'm using KnoppMyth [mysettopbox.tv] , and was totally amazed how easily everything installed. Yes I did have to tweak LiRC [lirc.org] , and a few other things.

I'm getting ready do build another unit into my house, and look forward to the extra features in the new version.

Re:A Year of MythTV (2, Interesting)

Neo Minder (231997) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081744)

Last time I tried using a tuner card with my digital cable I was only able to get upto channel 100 or so. Nothing above that came in. Is this still an issue? If so, how do you work around it?

Re:A Year of MythTV (1)

WwonderLlama (512526) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082033)

That's a function of your cable. Channels up to 100 are broadcast in analog (a normal TV will pick them up too). Channels above 100 require a Digital Receiver (e.g. Cable Box) to wach on a normal TV or VCR... or on MythTV. If you wanted to record channel 130 on a VCR, you'd have to tune your Cable Box to channel 130, then hit record on the VCR. The same thing goes for MythTV. But, Myth makes this more automatic. When properly configured, the MythTV box will change the channel on your Digital Cable box and start recording.

Basically, anything you can record with a VCR, you can record with MythTV (and MythTV has much more functionality ;)).

Re:A Year of MythTV (1)

BRTB (30272) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082046)

Digital cable (the channels above 80 or so, usually) is made of MPEG2 encoded streams, usually with an encryption layer on top; your normal tuner card won't be able to see these. Your options to record digital cable are:
  1. use an external cable box, with either an IR blaster or serial cable to send the channel-change signals. Sometimes you can get a firewire stream from the cable box instead, that depends on your local cableco's equipment.
  2. grab a PCHDTV card which will be able to tune in only unencrypted streams. Check the HDTV forums on avsforums.com to see what streams these will be in your area. In my area, it can pick up the rebroadcasts of the digital air-broadcast channels and that's about it.
  3. this is the I-don't-think-it-exists option: find a tuner card that supports the CableCard standard and will output an unencrypted video stream MythTV can work with, which is highly unlikely and would probably give most TV and movie content providers a heart attack if they knew about it.

Re:A Year of MythTV (4, Insightful)

Erwos (553607) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081766)

Problem is, TiVO isn't really their main competitor in that space - that honor goes to Windows Media Center Edition.

I'd also point out that I've installed MythTV on several boxes in the past year, and I'm not nearly so ecstatic about it as you. Doing a secure setup is an absolute pain in the neck if you want to use that fancy backend/frontend architecture, and only slightly less so if you keep everything on the same box. I also found performance and stability less than I would have preferred - not bad, mind you, but not really all that amazing, either. The protocol changes were the most frustrating, though - I had embedded extenders become unusable frequently because the MythTV folks would change protocols often.

This is not to say WMCE is all peaches and cream, because it's not - but for people who can tolerate its limitations (which aren't terribly bad - yet), the easy setup and relatively cheap (compared to a new PC) Media Center Extenders give it some appeal.

I sound like an MS shill, I know, but for all of MythTV's strengths, it's not for everyone.

-Erwos

Re:A Year of MythTV (1)

jidar (83795) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081859)

Security? What? How is it hard? I mean if you're really that worried about it make the whole thing an unrouted private network. You can access it through a second NIC on your workstation if you must.

Re:A Year of MythTV (1)

djrogers (153854) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081796)

Sure, sure, you can do this with Tivo. But can you also watch those recorded shows over your home network on other PCs? Burn to DVD?

Not to rag on Myth, but yes you can... I watch TiVo recorded programs on my Mac and Windows boxes over the net, burn them to DVD, and with a little hacking (I'd hardly call running a bash script hacking though) I can stream video to my tivo from any PC on my network. All of this without DRM.

Now, back to Myth - I'm sure it's a great application, and I'd probably be using it right now if it werent for the lack of HDTV options on it. I don't get any OTA HDTV where I am, so all HD must come from cable or sat. Now I know most cable cos don't encrypt basic cable HD streams today, but they can and will, at which point my myth box would be obsolete. Same thing with firewire from a cable box - if I can get the right one from my cable co, and as long as they're not encrypting the feed it'll work, but that's not gonna last. Any more permanent HD recording option would require cablecard...

I'm afraid that Myth is one of those techs that is headed for self-destruction at the hands of the content delivery companies and their love of DRM.

Re:A Year of MythTV (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081926)

Cool. How do you view the shows on your Mac?

Re:A Year of MythTV (1)

JWW (79176) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082111)

Cool. How do you view the shows on your Mac?

You have a couple of different options. You can run the frontend for Myth on the Mac, or you can get the mpeg-2 decoder for quicktime, nfs mount you mythbox location for your shows and watch your shows in frontrow.

The frontend is my favorite approach because then you get the wonderful benefit of automatic commercial skip.

Re:A Year of MythTV (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082137)

Very cool indeed. I haven't motivated myself to find a solution for decrypting the mpeg streams. Do you happen to have a link to that frontend?

Thank you!

Re:A Year of MythTV (1)

martin_b1sh0p (673005) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082053)

Sure, sure, you can do this with Tivo. But can you also watch those recorded shows over your home network on other PCs? Burn to DVD?

Why yes you can actually. Don't get me wrong even though I'm a Tivo user, I can appreciate MythTV (and I'm thinking of switching someday), but I just wanted to point out that you can do those things with Tivo as well.

what about freevo? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16081537)

has anyone a link comparing mythtv to freevo?
or any unofficial news on freevo 2.0 development?
Tanks

Any word on knoppmyth? (2, Interesting)

Churla (936633) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081541)

Any word on when this build will be on a Knoppmyth [mysettopbox.tv] ISO?

Re:Any word on knoppmyth? (3, Informative)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081638)

I'd like to know that too, because I don't bother with MythTV upgrades until it comes out as Knoppmyth on an ISO. Maybe it's just the nature of my particular setup, but it took me *weeks* of tinkering and pouring over message threads to get my Myth box working exactly like I wanted it to. I would have just given up in frustration if the main "core" of the thing wasn't made easier to get going via Knoppmyth.

In the past, it seemed like it took the Knoppmyth developers at least 1-2 months to release a new ISO based on a Myth update though, so this isn't something I'd really expect to see from them in the next few days or anything.

Re:Any word on knoppmyth? (1)

edmicman (830206) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082090)

Also, how much is involved with upgrading an existing knoppmyth box to a newer version? I set up knoppmyth maybe 6 months ago, and still have work to do, but the basic things I want it to do are working and working great. Seems like when I was setting things up and tried "upgrading" and it blew away all of my settings - not just the mythtv settings, but VNC, openssh, samba shares, all were gone after running their "upgrade". Maybe I just did it wrong?

i don't understand (-1, Troll)

rice_burners_suck (243660) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081551)

i don't understand why this is necessary. TV? DVD? what do all these acronyms mean anyway? and what happened to the good ol' days when there was good programming on the radio? this "radio with pictures" nonsense has gone too far.

Re:i don't understand (1)

ISoldMyLowIdOnEbay (802697) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081664)

I currently have a patched version of 0.19 with DVB-T radio support (which has been merged into 0.20 - excellent). So I can record the radio too, and receive the broadcast programme guide. Er, and save to disk should I so wish.


Has been excellent for recording this seasons Proms [bbc.co.uk] concerts - for those of us in the UK, anyway. Time to shake the neighbours up with Rite of Spring again...

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Klaidas (981300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081636)

This article is misterious: the reader is anonymous even if he doesn't say anything that could be [insert-bad-reaction]. And the dept is "build your own" Build my own install? o.O
Anyway, I allways wanted to try it out but didn't ever download it. I guess it's the right time!

PVR for me (4, Interesting)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081699)

I have to pipe-up again, and say that MythTV is awesome. If you've got a tuner card, and a spare box, totally check it out. IT EATS COMMERCIALS, plays DVDs, MP3s, does a photo album, and other things that other units don't do, or don't do well.

It even has support for MAME.

Re:PVR for me (0, Flamebait)

recharged95 (782975) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081994)

If you've got a tuner card ...

Yes, a tuner card that is fully supported in Linux. Most of the cheap cards with MPEG2 h/w decoding just don't work well, and designed w/specific functionality for MCE instead. Don't even ask about ATI tuners being easily usable and forget about the USB [HDTV] tuners (which would be wicked cool). Hence you need more cpu for s/w decoding (or the video will look like crap), which then you budget system is well, not budget anymore... Of course, this is mute if you have a HD2000+ tuner.

The new Myth release sounds great, but only for those with compatible cards. And I plan to upgrade to it (now that I have a 100% compatible TV card!)... end rant...

Controlling Cablebox? (2, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081715)

Can MythTV control my existing cablebox (Scientific Atlanta Explorer 3250)? It's got a USB port, what looks like a smartcard slot, and analog+digital audio/video outs.

If I could use the cablebox's tuner, maybe I would need only a video digitizer, or even just transcoder. It would be great to use the cablebox to covert digital video signals to TV. I've already got the cablebox and TV, I'd like to spend that money on better quality for the parts I actually require.

Re:Controlling Cablebox? (1)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081754)

Can MythTV control my existing cablebox (Scientific Atlanta Explorer 3250)?

You can tell Myth to fire up an external program to change channel - I have a shell script to send IR commands to my Sky box.

Re:Controlling Cablebox? (1)

WPIDalamar (122110) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081772)

I control my external cablebox with an IR emitter I bought for something around $8. Essentially, the myth box pretends it's a remote control for the cable box.

Re:Controlling Cablebox? (2, Informative)

SvetBeard (922070) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082052)

Can MythTV control my existing cablebox (Scientific Atlanta Explorer 3250)? It's got a USB port
You basically have to Google around for more information specific to your setup, but MythTV can control external boxes (by calling external scripts). You'll need either an IR blaster or a proper cable and know how to interface with your cablebox's USB port. Don't forget that you'll also need A/V in on the tuner card.

It can be frustrating, though. I have DirecTV now. The box has a USB port, but it requires a USB-to-serial converter (for some reason). Another user wrote a script to tune the channels, but I haven't been able to get it to work yet. It doesn't help that I haven't had time to tinker with the box for several months, though. IR blasters are notoriously fickle, but you may be able to find better support for them.

If you have the option, it's easiest to just use a direct line in from the cable. MythTV can then control the tuner card directly essentially out of the box.

For all the information to get a working Myth box using Fedora Core, check out http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php/ [wilsonet.com]

Cablecard (1)

a_greer2005 (863926) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081732)

Will Myth ever support Cablecard? it is a better (imho) platform than WMCE but I and my friends still lease the catv MOTO DVRs because it is the only way to decrypt HD channels like ESPN, and watch sports subscriptions like NHL Center Ice., so untill cablecard is supported in these things, it is prettu useless for anyone without a tower and an antenna.

Re:Cablecard (1)

tji (74570) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081850)

It's doubtful that any open source application will be able to use cablecard because of their usage restriction requirements. If it is possible in the future, it would have to also include a bunch of restrictions to MythTV functionality (i.e. the data cannot be unencrypted on the system, so all the editing, transcoding, sharing type stuff is out of the question).

But, as it is today, my MythTV box works well with all my local channels via HD Cable. The one channel I would really like to be able to access is ESPN-HD, but it is encrypted.. so no luck.

Of course, Windows Media Center does not support CableCard either. In fact, WMCE doesn't even support QAM Cable HD. A future version is supposed to support cable/cablecard, but we'll see what kind of requirements/restrictions that brings along.

In any case, I don't think I'll be moving over to WMCE no matter what they offer. I can't see supporting that level of DRM, which effectively locks in Microsoft and the big studios into the positions of power over my hardware.. No thanks, I don't care enough about TV to go for that.

Re:Cablecard (1)

Iphtashu Fitz (263795) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081931)

Will Myth ever support Cablecard?

Doubtful, unless some hardware manufacturer builds a CC-equipped tuner that can be plugged directly into a PC. Unfortunately there probably isn't a whole lot of demand for that, at least not currently, so the chances of seeing one any time soon are probably pretty slim...

That's the only reason I'll consider buying one of the new HD TiVo's (aka Series 3) that should be released soon. Rumor has it that TiVo will be announcing it as early as tomorrow. The downside is that it'll be expensive, at least initially. The upside is that it comes with 2 HD tuners and also support for external storage. On top of that I have a really old Series 1 with lifetime support that I'll be able to transfer to the S3 so no monthly service fees for me.

The funny thing... (2, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081739)

I remember when using beta versions of software seemed super-cutting-edge, and <1.0 software was something almost no users had ever seen.

Nowadays, thanks to Netcscape and Google, beta is the final state of software. And after years of Linux, an escalation to 0.20 is a perfectly reasonable user upgrade.

Re:The funny thing... (0, Flamebait)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082003)

Netscape (while Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox was in pre-1.0 state), Google (for mail and their other beta products), and MythTV have marketshares that are all decidedly in the minority. Slashdot editors may love using unstable pre-release products (just look at the "Windows Vista runs like crap on Boot Camp" article yesterday) but the silent majority doesn't.

DVB recordings with dishentwork are awesome. (2, Informative)

guantamanera (751262) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081745)

I been loving it since.19. I have a DVB pci card a dishnetwork smartcard, and I can record digitaly with all and AC3 sound. I wish I could do that with directv, but linux does not have DSS support. There are DSS tuners, but they just work with windows. Other than that mythtv is awesome.

Re:DVB recordings with dishentwork are awesome. (1)

willow (19698) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081950)

Can you give specifics on your setup? What dish equipment/connections are you using? I'm wanting to upgrade my Dish setup and would love to pipe dish network output into my Myth box (dual DVB ATSC tuners). TIA.

MythArchive for me! (2, Interesting)

kravlor (597242) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081758)

I've been happily running a set of Myth boxen for more than a year now, and while I love the system, the one feature I had been sorely waiting for was an easy way to export to DVD. While a more involved method was possible, I look forward to being able to just create an ISO directly from Myth itself. Keep up the good work!

Digital Cable (1)

nickmue (905710) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081856)

Does MythTV work with digital cable boxes? IE is it possible to record movies from premium channels??

Re:Digital Cable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16082103)

Unless you can output to Myth unencrypted. No, not presently.

Missing line in the release notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16081893)



            * Improved programming available on broadcast TV/cable/dish

But seriously, MythTV, is awesome. In fact, since my Plasma is only a Monitor, and has no tuner, I litterally cannot watch TV without MythTV.

Thanks to everyone involved with the project.

MythTV rules (2, Interesting)

Captain_Chaos (103843) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081920)

I just finished setting up my home MythTV system. It rocks! I've got my digital cable connected directly to my backend using a PCI DVB-C card, and my projector is connected to my frontend using a DVI cable, so the backend can record the MPEG-2 streams directly to disk with no quality loss whatsoever (and including all the audio and subtitle tracks), and then the frontend can display them on my wall with not a single bit of quality loss in between! Plus it plays my videos and my music, it lets me skip commercial breaks (which it has automatically tagged for me), watch DVD's, play legacy games with MAME, etc., etc.

It really is a fantastic piece of kit. It can be pretty finicky to set up and you need to be prepared to invest some serious amount of time, but it's worth it!

Is it easy to setup ???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16081982)

i have the latest linux kernel which detects the card with the saa7134-alsa
driver. i installed tvtime and with arecord/aplay am able to get the
audio from PCI bus with ease. i tried a week to install mythtv, and still not succesfull.
i browsed a lot and many people experienced the same. more features means
more problem setting up???

Mac? Please? (1)

MagerValp (246718) | more than 7 years ago | (#16081986)

I really, really, really wish this would run on my Mac, back end and all.

Is no one working on porting it?

HDTV Lockout (4, Insightful)

Krondor (306666) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082007)

I love MythTV. I'm very excited to try 0.20 (UPnP especially). It's a great piece of software and IMO handily beats MCE (though I hear BeyondTV puts up a fight). The level of control is great, I absolutely like to OWN my media. I have a looming fear though that poor MythTV is about to get 'shafted' so to speak.

MythTV has HDTV support for broadcast and Cable HD, but lacks a means of decrypting these streams. In fact, PCs in general do at this point, but I suspect that will change. Vista MCE will undoubtedly have encrypted HDTV playback support, Tivo as well (if it doesn't already). How is a free OSS solution like this to compete against imposed proprietary restrictions? I smell a DeCSS debacle all over again. Perhaps it will get cracked. Maybe I can still watch my streams if I subjugate myself to a DMCA violation or two.

Lets face it, another case of a superior product getting kicked to the curb by an industry that likes to wear tinfoil hats at the detriment of its consumers. I guess I have a decision in the future. Use the software I love and watch the shows it can view, or relinquish control impair my viewing experience and broaden my media options. I think I'll stay with Myth, the studios just lost a viewer (though I doubt they'll notice).

One Problem (2, Interesting)

ucaledek (887701) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082010)

I just dropped my myth box which I had struggled with for the last few months. Admittedly, I didn't know much about Linux beforehand, just the basics so I wanted to use myth as a learning tool. I didn't mind that struggle at all. Setting up in the end was easy and relatively painless once I understood some Perl basics etc. Myth's qualities are not overstated above. Authoring DVDs of recordings was a bit of a hassle, but it seems with those release notes it might have gotten better. I could even archive to DVD all my old VHS easily with the right tuner card! But there are two basic reasons I dropped Myth: 1) I was never happy with the media players available aside from watching archived videos, including DVDs (never got that to work). 2) the picture quality tended to be pretty poor (maybe that's the fault of ivtv? but still can't get myth without drivers). My friend tried two windows alternatives--gbpvr and media portal--and the picture quality for live and recorded TV is leaps and bounds better than anything I could find after hours and hours of tweaking my myth setup. I can't imagine how it would look on a nice TV. Blue lines on the top and bottom of the feed, terribly flat blacks, fuzziness on certain channels pervaded my myth experience and haven't occurred with media portal. I have other problems with media portal and wouldn't mind going back to myth, but it just seems the limitations of the drivers out there really kills the experience for me.

MythTV light (2, Interesting)

claes (25551) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082014)

Below is my PVR. I "at" to schedule a program:
#at 18:00
warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh
at> rectv 1 1h simpsons
at> <EOT>
job 18 at 2006-09-12 18:00

#!/bin/sh
 
if [ -z "$3" ]; then
    echo "too few arguments"
    echo "Usage: record-tv channel duration name "
    echo "channel: 1-9"
    echo "duration: 30m, 1h"
    echo "name: simpsons"
    exit 1
fi
 
CHANNEL=$1
DURATION=$2
NAME=$3
 
BITRA TE=4000000
 
VIDEO_DIR=/home/claes/media/video/re cording/
 
FCHANNEL[1]=E5
FCHANNEL[2]=E7
FCHANN EL[3]=SE16
FCHANNEL[4]=E6
FCHANNEL[5]=SE19
FCHA NNEL[6]=SE20
FCHANNEL[7]=SE17
FCHANNEL[8]=SE13
    FCHANNEL[9]=SE14
 
#Set channel
ivtv-tune -teurope-west -d /dev/video0 -c ${FCHANNEL[CHANNEL]}
 
#Set quality
ivtvctl -d /dev/video0 -c bitrate=$BITRATE
 
#Start recording
mkdir -p $VIDEO_DIR #Just in case it does nto work
cat /dev/video0 > $VIDEO_DIR/$NAME.mpg &
 
CAT_PID=$!
# $! is PID of last job running in background.
 
sleep $DURATION
kill $CAT_PID
The resulting simpsons.mpg I play using XBMC.

Hope its better then .19 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16082057)

I don't know about the rest of Myth users. But .19 has been a very bad release. It locks up frequently at transitions between shows thanks to the new way Mythtv handles livetv for analog recordings and for HDTV it ALWAYS breaks at show transitions. So much for watching football in Highdef on it, right at the end of the forth quarter and the game is running a little late.... CRASH.

I've used Mythtv for about 2 years now, so it's not all bad, but .18 worked GREAT. I even have my parents running it. But .19 has been a headache since I installed it, mainly from my wife and daughter.

Tempting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16082065)

The idea of a Linux based media center sure is tempting. But some time ago I already managed to set uo a MythTV box and found it didn't do anything for me. I'm less interested in the TV features. What I want to do mostly is rip my DVDs and shrink them to be burned on single layer discs. And I want to import all my MP3s that till now are burned on many CDs and DVDs. And it shouldn't be more complicated than iTunes, MacTheRipper oder DVD2OneX. Any suggestions?

It does indeed kick ass. (2, Interesting)

Orrin Bloquy (898571) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082099)

I've had one of these for about five months and while it was a PITA to install, it definitely increased my e-penis with the local LUG. It looks great and is popular in the household.

Is it easy to install? No. Myth isn't an application, it's a platform inside Linux relying on MySQL, Apache, PHP, tuner drivers, lirc drivers, and the willingness to tweak the things which aren't guaranteed to work correctly out of the box (e.g. PHP5 not registering itself as a MIME type with Apache 2, streaming requiring not only hardcoding your box's IP in Myth's settings but having to run a SQL query to update all references to 'localhost').

Daniel Hyams' advice for installing Myth under Ubuntu makes it clear that there's some room for improvement in terms of startup and housecleaning -- creating a system that automatically logs in without passwords, that backs up its own databases, etc. -- and structure (putting /home in a separate XFS partition for faster disc access on large files than ext* can do, resetting Myth's own pointers to this location). It's frustrating to try to rip your own DVDs only to find that this requires opening a terminal and starting a service which isn't normally running. Users of bttv based tuner cards received a nasty shock when the L4TV kernel module maintainers inadvertently wrecked audio support with recent kernel updates.

And yet, even with all the negatives mentioned above, the end result is hella impressive. Your rules for recording can be simple, complex or even regex based. With a Hauppauge card with MPEG2 encoding chips, you can run it on a 450MHz P3.

However, what it needs most is a wrapper installation program which installs the AMP stack, requests a master AM password and configures it into Apache, MySQL and Myth, manages dependencies, establishes services at startup, bypasses login, sets a database backup schedule, ties DVD ripping to the necessary background services, and runs checks to see that Apache and MySQL are behaving themselves.

MythTV should be included with OS X. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16082156)

Myth TV is exactly the type of application that should come standard with a Mac.

People have been asking for a DVR application to be added to the Mac Mini,
it should be added to all versions of OS X (as well as video in / out jacks for all systems).

Apple could learn a few things from Myth TV.

Tivo Too! (1)

nephillim (980798) | more than 7 years ago | (#16082191)

I have a mythTV box AND a tivo (wife had one with lifetime sub when we got married).
MythTV has come a long way (congrats to the whole team), but as to which is better, you need to evaluate your needs.
When I moved in with my wife first thing I did was upgrade drive and hack the Tivo... as any good slashdotter would. At that time the tivo only really supported video sharing after hacking, and being able to watch on other computers, or send tv shows TO the tivo (either from mythbox or pc) was the most important feature to me (besids season pass)... Back then MythTV ruled hands down... since to get the same functionality you needed to hack Tivo anyway.
Fast forward a few years... I actually UN-hacked the Tivo a while back (left huge drive in though) because the developers actually listened to the community and now provide the ability to share things through the network (both out of and into the tivo), play MP3, picture slideshows... pretty much everything except playing MAME/SNES roms.
If you want the fun of building a Myth box, or want it to be a file server/torrent box, then of course Myth wins hands down.
But... if all you want is for the machine to record all (or just new) episodes of a show, play MP3s, see picture slideshows, watch recorded videos on your pc (or other boxes in the house), or put divx "home movies" INTO the box to watch on your big screen tv... Tivo can provide a pretty simple solution that does the job just as well, or maybe even better...
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