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Apple Announces iTunes 7, Movies, Set-Top Box

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the ooh-shiny dept.


necro81 writes, "As anticipated, Apple announced several additions and upgrades to its iPod and iTunes lineup. The iPod now comes in an 80 GB model, with a $50 price drop for the 30 GB model. The 2nd generation iPod Nano harkens back to the iPod Mini with metallic, multi-colored shells (though as diminutive as ever) and comes in an 8 GB model. The Shuffle has been completely redesigned and shrunk down to the size of a matchbook. All of this comes with the release of iTunes 7, which includes support for downloading full-length movies from iTMS." All 75 movies initially available are from Disney-related studios. The new iTunes will download cover art for all the songs in your library, no matter where you got them from, as long as you have an iTunes account. (A confirmation dialog says: "Information about songs with missing artwork will be sent to Apple. Apple does not keep any information related to the contents of your music library.") There's a new album-cover browsing view of your library. And Steve Jobs gave a sneak preview of a project code-named iTV: a Mac Mini-like wireless set-top box. Engadget has a blow-by-blow of Steve Jobs's presentation.

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Dave Schroeder (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090638)

Dave Schroeder is a gigantic fag.

I liked the old nano... (2, Interesting)

rtilghman (736281) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090642)

While the capacities of the new one are nice, the design isn't nearly as sleek or sophisticated as the original nano design. It's a shame, I kind of detest Apple in general as fan-boy garbage (Rio Karma baby), but I did like the polish of the 1G Nano.


Re:I liked the old nano... (4, Insightful)

GmAz (916505) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090761)

I don't know, I kinda dig the new Nano. I liked the colors, espically when a family has kids (or adults) with more than one nano in the house. It helps to seperate them. Also, you could always get the skins for the Nanos, but then the size got bigger. I would liked to have seen some bluetooth or wifi capabilities for transfering the music/video wirelessly, but guess not.

Re:I liked the old nano... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090874)

I also like the old shuffle better. The big thing being that it can play while charging if you are not using a computer to charge it. I have a habit of leaving it on in my car and coming back to a drained battery. If I had the new shuffle I would have to charge and remove it from the dock to play. Not very practicle.

Gapless Playback! (5, Interesting)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090646)

Gapless Payck for iPod! Wonder if they will update the 5th gen with this?? Please???

Re:Gapless Playback! (1)

mblase (200735) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090697)

I only noticed this enhancement after I installed iTunes 7 and watched it updating my library for gapless something-or-other.

About time. I mean, it only took them until version 7....

Re:Gapless Playback! (1)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090724)

iTunes has been able to do this since version 1... It's only the iPod that had trouble.

Re:Gapless Playback! (4, Informative)

Van Halen (31671) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090798)

No, iTunes has never had true gapless playback. There's always been at least a slight hiccup in between tracks, no matter how you set it up. The old crossfade set to 0 trick also wasn't a complete solution - if you had a transition with a fast tempo, you'd hear it screw up a beat or two.

I'm really eager to try this out and see if they truly fixed it.

Re:Gapless Playback! (1)

Library Spoff (582122) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090700)

It's what's been keeping me fom buying an iPod - actually it's what's been stopping me
from buying an mp3 player that costs more than £20

I know the Karma (rip) and one of the sony players does it - but the karma had flaky hard drives
and the sony (IIRC) needed the crappy sony software.

This just might swing the balance now.
I had thought about a san-disk as rockbox would possibly bring out gapless playback - but in the meantime i guess Apple may now
get my cash.

Re:Gapless Playback! (4, Interesting)

Golias (176380) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090790)

Gapless is what's been keeping me from upgrading as well. I've got an old black-and-white 20GB iPod which I've been using the hell out of for years now (I've burned through two batteries on it, and was planning on buying yet another in a few months.)

Color screens did not make me want to replace it.
Nor did photos.
Nor did putting the buttons on the clickwheel.
Nor did the longer battery life.
Nor did videos.

But gapless playback? They hooked me. I RAN to the Apple Store over my lunch hour, only to be told to "check again tomorrow", which I most certainly will do.

The sweet thing about this is, since it also plays videos and a smattering of time-killer games, I can sell off both my old iPod and my souped-up PSP to friends who want them, and just about break even on the upgrade! w00t!

Re:Gapless Playback! (1)

Library Spoff (582122) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090859)

replying to my own post... *ahem*

I wonder if only aac files will be gapless? or will it do mp3 as well
maybe if encoded with lame?

Re:Gapless Playback! (5, Informative)

tji (74570) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090729)

I haven't finished sync'ing my video iPod yet, but after installing iTunes 7, it brought up a dialog as it went through my library saying it was updating for gapless playback.

This would imply that it's done within the audio files themselves, perhaps making it usable on all iPods.

I'll see shortly.

The new music view/organize modes in iTunes are great. One is divided by albums, showing a small image of the album cover along with all the tracks. The other looks like they licensed "Cover Flow", it looks like flipping through albums in your old physical collection. Definitely better visual feedback then scrolling through a huge text list of songs.

Re:Gapless Playback! (1)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090799)

so? does it work? can you do gapless on the "older" ipods? (I am assuming you don't already have a new one...)

Re:Gapless Playback! (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090815)

It looks like Apple bought CoverFlow. link []

Re:Gapless Playback! (1)

Badfysh (761833) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090878)

>The other looks like they licensed "Cover Flow"

I've been waiting ages for CoverFlow RC1 to be released, finally downloaded it yesterday. Now what do you know, two come along at once...

Re:Gapless Playback! (1)

Van Halen (31671) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090763)

Yes, this is the biggest news as far as I'm concerned. I've been bitching about this since I got my first iPod. I've looked at alternatives, and nothing came close in overall features and seamless integration with the music library. The few gapless alternatives were pretty crappy otherwise and left out major features I'd grown accustomed to. For the last year, I've held off replacing my iPod that was stolen just because of the lack of gapless playback. I refused to give them any more money for a seriously flawed product (for my needs, not for most people's needs, obviously). The fact that it should have been easy to fix always bugged me.

Did Apple finally listen?

I'm going to have to play around with this soon to see if it's truly up to par. If it works on 5th gen iPods, then I can test it on my wife's iPod before buying one of my own. This is exciting, because it was the last feature I've been wanting for my music listening experience. If it works as advertised, the experience will finally be as close to perfection as it can get for me. Can't wait to try it out...

Re:Gapless Playback! (2, Informative)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090804)

Gapless Playback for iPod! Wonder if they will update the 5th gen with this?? Please???

Don't get too excited, MP3s encoded with too old a version of LAME would need to be re-encoded as these older version automatically padded the file. You should be fine with AAC though.

Re:Gapless Playback! (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090836)

Hang on a moment, is this true gapless like Rockbox offers, or is it gap deletion like on some players, like the iRiver?

THey also added gapless playback (3, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090656)

As well as an overhaul of the iTunes interface. One of the weirder things they added though was the "explicit" warning to music bought from the music store that is well, explicit.

But perhaps most shocking and sacrilegious: they changed the color of the music note! It is blue now! How could they destroy tradition like that!

Re:THey also added gapless playback (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090698)

I'm pretty certain it used to be blue before it was green...back in OS 9 days.

Re:THey also added gapless playback (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090710)

it wasn't always green. way back in the day it was purple, and maybe blue.

Re:THey also added gapless playback (1)

Sonic McTails (700139) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090748)

iTunes 1 was three notes, all different shades of purple. iTunes 2 was blue. iTunes 3 and later have been green.

Re:THey also added gapless playback (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090753)

they changed the color of the music note! It is blue now!
As the AC said, it's been blue before. It was also purple for a while. Apple changes it around every so often.

One of the weirder things they added though was the "explicit" warning to music bought from the music store that is well, explicit.
I'm not following you. That little warning has been there forever. The cleaned versions of explicit songs even get a little "CLEAN" tag to say that they're alternate versions. Apple has other tags as well, but they don't show up as often.

Re:THey also added gapless playback (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090754)

But perhaps most shocking and sacrilegious: they changed the color of the music note! It is blue now! How could they destroy tradition like that!

The color of the iTunes icon has changed a few times now. [] IIRC, it turned green with the launch of iTunes for Windows and the ITMS. Now that they're selling movies, it's gone (back to) blue.

Re:THey also added gapless playback (4, Informative)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090770)

It was blue (and other colors) before.

Behold! The iTunes Icon Timeline! [] Note that the icons on that page are the real deal until you get to "Alternative iTunes icons", then the rest are mildly crappy "fan art". (Ugh.)

Re:THey also added gapless playback (4, Funny)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090780)

By the way, that sinking sound you hear coming from Redmond is the hope of Microsoft in taking over the living room through Zune, the XBox 360, and Media Center PCs.

Although, it could also be a chair sailing out the window. I bet they're bolting down everything in the campus today.

Re:THey also added gapless playback (1)

tpjunkie (911544) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090783)

Actually, it's back to the way it started. The first os 8 versions of itunes used blue notes.

play by play (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090657)

09:51 am iLounge: Griffin Technology, Belkin, Incase and Nike are in attendance.
09:52 am iLounge: Folks are crowding to get up-front seats. (wonder why?)
10:03 am iLounge: theater is filled to capacity (755 person theater). Podium on the right, a computer setup on the left of the stage (looks like an iMac)
10:04 am the event appears to have begun
10:05 am iLounge: talks about iPod sports kit. Foot Locker is blown away by sales. 450,000 sales in 90 days
10:06 am iLounge: iPods. 3 iPods: iPod, Nano, and Shuffle
10:07 am iLounge: iPod is getting enhanced today. 60% brighter with brighness control, 3.5 hours video playback (up from 2 hrs... big version goes to 6.5 hours), new headphones, gapless playback
10:08 am iLounge: new iPod software features: instant searching, new games (Bejeweled, Cubis 2, Mahjong, Mini golf, pac man, tetris, texas holdem, vortex, and zuma)
10:09 am iLounge: games for sale off iTunes for $4.99
10:10 am iLounge: games will work on 5G ipods
10:12 am iLounge: 249 and 349 with 60GB and 80GB capacity [SHOULD BE 30GB, 80GB. See below]
10:12 am iLounge: Nano is now, as rumored, Aluminum and in colors
10:14 am iLounge: Green silver black blue pink
10:14 am iLounge: 24 hour batter life
10:15 am iLounge: New software just like standard iPod
10:16 am iLounge: 3 models, but with double storage capacity at each model (and varying colors available)
10:16 am iLounge: 2GB is $149 in silver only
10:16 am iLounge: 4GB is $199 in all colors but black
10:16 am iLounge: 8GB is $249 in all colors
10:17 am iLounge: All models are 52% smaller in volume than previous nano. new charger, new armband, new lanyard
10:18 am iLounge: iPod Shuffle is now 2nd generationl size of iPod Radio Remote
10:21 am iLounge: metal body, 1 model (1GB), $79, ships in october.
10:22 am Engadget: (for nano) $149 2GB ipod is aluminum only, $199 4GB has colors, $249 8GB is black only
10:23 am iLounge: iTunes 7 today
10:24 am iLounge: Source list now includes library with sep libraries for all forms of media
10:24 am iLounge: Store now has own section, devices have their own sections, playlists too
10:25 am iLounge: iTunes will give you cover art for free if you are missing cover art (thanks Steve)
10:26 am iLounge: 3 different views of iTunes, list view, album view (with art and tracks), then "cover flow view" lets you rapidly find what you want by album cover
10:27 am iLounge: iPod updater appears to be now integrated into iTunes
10:28 am iLounge: TV shows are now encoded at 640x480 (h264), up from 320x240
10:28 am Engadget: Today we're introducing the biggest single enhancement: iTunes 7
You say "it looks the same," but it isn't
[the left nav is more cleanly organized without being radically different]
We've added a View switch, a 3-position switch. we've added a 2nd view called album view, so you can scroll through your music library and look at it by album. what if you ripped your CDs and don't have the covers? Today we're announcing free missing album cover art for all the music in your library if you have an itune acct. itunes will automatically download it for free
but there's something even better. that's the third view. it's called Cover Flow view. [LOOKS LIKE FLIPPLING THROUGH YOUR CD RACK]
10:30 am iLounge: you can now sync between multiple computers using an iPod, as long as both are authorized on the same account
10:30 am Engadget: Now, all of this video is encoded with the best encoding in the world, H.264. We've been distributing it at 320x240. Today, we're going to take that up a notch to 640x480. That's 4x the resolution. iTunes 7 also has seamless playback for video.
10:31 am 10:27AM Engadget: You can update your iPod from right inside iTunes now, you don't need to go to Preferences. You can say, "I want to sync the 10 most recent unwatched episides of all my TV shows."
10:31 am iLounge: Demo of iTunes 7
10:33 am correction: it appears as though the nano's packaging is 52% smaller, not the nano itself.
10:34 am iLounge: Video on screen now markedly higher resolution
10:36 am iLounge: "one more thing..."
10:36 am iLounge: movies
10:37 am iLounge: Tv shows - started with 1 network, 5 shows.
10:37 am iLounge: Today, films from Walt Disney, Pixar, Touchstone, Miramax. (all Disney owned)
10:38 am iLounge: 75 films online today, more every week and month
10:38 am iLounge: New releases 12.99 preorders and first week, after that up to 14.99
10:38 am iLounge: most titles will be 9.99
10:40 am iLounge: Near DVD quality. Same encoding as TV shows at 640x480. If you have a 5mb/s broadband connection, it will take approximately 30 minutes to download a movie
10:41 am iLounge: Dolby surround audio in videos
10:41 am iLounge: U.S. now, International in 2007.
10:41 am iLounge: iPod boxes now show Pirates of the Carribbean
10:42 am Engadget: iTunes 7 is available today as a free download from
10:42 am Engadget: So: Movies
near DVD image quality
Dolby surround audio
Same day as DVD
Pre-order with one click
Usage rights = same as TV shows
Parental controls extended to include MPAA ratings
International in 2007
10:45 am MacCentral: we HOPE to take this international in 2007. (see the difference?)
10:47 am iLounge: Bob Iger of Disney takes stage, and recaps what Jobs has already said
10:50 am MacCentral: Iger called Disney and Apple's first partnership to bring TV shows to the iTunes Store last year "a breakthrough," and added that "the marriage of great content and great technology -- and of great user interface -- is truly a killer application."
10:51 am iLounge: Steve is wrapping up. Thanks to engineering and other departments.
10:51 am iLounge: One last thing, an unusual sneak peek
10:52 am iLounge: Q1 2007 "Completes the story"
10:52 am iLounge: You can take content to computer or iPod, but now... TV
10:53 am iLounge: Apple is releasing its long-rumored set-top box in Q1 2007. It will be Wireless
10:54 am iLounge: Like a Mac Mini... iTV is its name (not final).
10:56 am iLounge: 1/2 size of Mac Mini, built-in power supply, USB, Ethernet, 802.11 "wireless component video", optical audio and HDMI ports, plus old RCA stereo audio ports. Works with Apple Remote
10:57 am iLounge: Interface is like next gen front row
10:57 am Engadget: It looks like this {a flatter Mini} it's called iTV. That's a codeword. we need to come up with a better name.
10:58 am iLounge: Video access is instantaneous, looks like watching a DVD
10:59 am iLounge: Video looks very close to DVD quality even on a huge theater sized projector
11:01 am MacCentral: The software features 3D animated graphics with a menu on the right and graphics on the left. Jobs demonstrated it, going into the Movies menu and scrolling through floating artwork on the left-hand side.
11:01 am iLounge: iTV lets you get access to trailers and itunes store selected content from internet
11:02 am Engadget: [Steve finds and plays The Incredibles. it's not 640x480, it's HDTV]
11:06 am iLounge: works with iTunes on PC or Mac. price will be $299
11:09 am iLounge: Steve says: Apple is now in your den, living room, car, pocket
11:10 am iLounge: One More Thing (again)
11:10 am iLounge: It all comes down to the artists
11:11 am iLounge: John Legend has a new album next month (Legend slides on sage via moving platform)
11:14 am MacCentral: Jobs closed the event with a live performance by Grammy-winning musician John Legend.
11:15 am Engadget: So we'll see you all soon. Oh, we do have one more thing!
All this technology is amazing, but it all comes down to artists because otherwise we don't have anything to listen to or watch.
We like to remind ourselves of that. So today we have a great artist here to perform for us. his name is John Legend. He was nominated for 8 Grammy awards and won 3.
He's got a new album coming out next month called Once Again, so I would like it if you would please joing me in welcoming John Legend
[Legend appears at a full-size piano to sing an acoustic version of Save "Room"]
11:16 am Aside from John Legend's performance, it appears as though the event is over.
11:18 am Get Ready, Get Set, Go! Apple's has been updated to reflect today's announcements.
11:32 am Thank you to iLounge, Engadget, and MacCentral for their live coverage of the events. You can discuss the events in our forums ( MacRumors will be back into our regular mode shortly.
11:35 am Apple's Video On Demand stream appears to be up

Says 30GB and 80GB iPod
Can watch movie as it downloads.
Can download multiple movies at once.
NFL 2006 season coming to iTMS.
Gapless playback in iTunes 7.
iPod - New quick scrolling feature using letters.
iTV - Hi-res artwork, movie text.
Same videos play on iTunes, iPod and TV now.

Says 30GB and 80GB iPod
The second-generation iPod nano also features a battery with better charge capacity than the first -- up to 24 hours of play, versus 14 for the first-generation nano.
iTunes 7: separate libraries for music, movies, TV shows, podcast and radio.
iTunes 7 also shows the games you've downloaded from the iTunes Store in your library, so you can see instructions and other information.
iTunes now has a Download Manager that lets you watch items you're downloading from the store, and you can switch priorities if you're downloading multiple files.
The iTV resembles a short Mac mini. The power supply is built right in to the unit, and it features integrated wireless networking, a power plug, USB 2.0, Ethernet, High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) plug, component video, analog audio and optical audio interfaces.

Says 60GB and 80GB iPod
iTMS movies: The files are protected, of course, with FairPlay DRM
iTunes 7 can go through your whole library and fix previously downloaded tracks to play gapless
Shuffle: Available for preorder today and expected to ship with its itty bitty dock and ear buds
Final Word: 30GB (thirty gig) and 80GB iPod

Re:play by play (2, Informative)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090825)

You could have provided a link:

DRM (2, Informative)

Landak (798221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090661)

Alas, I have just seen that one of the wondrous features the new iTunes Music Store boasts is the ability to lock out iTunes 5. This is the version I've been using on all my macs for one real reason - when I download their free singles of the week (which vary a lot in quality), I like to be able to remove the DRM immediately afterwards. It appears that I am being forced to upgrade. Ahh well. I can also presume that my 4th Gen iPod Colour will not be able to play the new games. How I love thy, apple....

Re:DRM (1)

PseudoQuant (916182) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090752)

I'm wondering if they did anything to try to block the new QTFairUse6 from working. Does anyone have any knowledge or intelligent guesses about this?

Just placed an order for one. (1)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090663)

I went with a black 80 gig model. Not really interested in music, but I now have access to enough space to rip my DVD collection onto.

The estimated shipping time is currently 3 - 5 days.

iTunes 7 and vector interfaces (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090827)

iTunes 7 addressed every last issue I had with it. In fact, two of the things--separation of media libraries and an album cover art view--were being discussed in my IRC chan only to have them addressed half an hour later. Good job, Apple!

One thing I noticed since iTunes 5 introduced its "smooth metal" look is how easier it is to vectorize simple gradients like that than a texture like brushed metal, and I assumed it was in preparation for a future vectorized interface in OS X Leopard. iTunes 7 furthers that agenda by removing the blue-pulse Aqua scrollbars in favor of flat, gradient-shaded versions. Are these signs of the next vector Aqua?

It should be noted that Windows Vista's Glass theme, while technically resolution independent, still uses bitmap scaling for its interface, choosing between different resolution resources depending on the user's DPI. A Microsoft developer wrote on his blog that they did this because they didn't have the vector tools in place yet, and they didn't want to disrupt their existing artwork generation process. Lame.

How Much Space (5, Funny)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090668)

How much can your pocket hold? That's up to you and your iPod. It holds up to 20,000 songs, up to 25,000 photos, and up to 100 hours of video -- or any combination of each.

If only Apple new that I like 10 minute songs, 4096x3072 pics, and 3 hour movies.

Offtopic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090805)

Offtopic? I thought the parent post was somewhat Informative.

Re:How Much Space (2, Insightful)

TrippTDF (513419) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090816)

If only Apple new that I like 10 minute songs, 4096x3072 pics, and 3 hour movies.

Hear hear! Tech is boiled down so freaking much for most people, it makes me mad. I can remember having this conversation about 20 times in the late 90's:

Person: How many songs can you put on a recordable CD?

ME: CD's hold 80 minutes of music, so it depends on the length of a song.

Person: But how many songs is that?


Re:How Much Space (2, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090858)

If only Apple new that I like 10 minute songs
Don't you ever get tired of listening to American Pie?

4096x3072 pics
Honestly, why would you carry a ditigal negative around in your pocket? Images that large are only good as source material for image editing and printed materials. What good is having hundreds of them in your iPod?

and 3 hour movies
100 hours of video is 100 hours of video. I think you can do the math to figure out how many movies that is. :)

Ipods are the new clitorises (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090676)

every cunt's got one...

think about it, if they were becoming as common as muck just now, they're gonna be even less exclusive soon...

New shuffle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090677)

That new shuffle is cute as a button

You have to give Apple a round of applause. They ALWAYS get the product design right from an asthetic point of view.

Re:New shuffle (5, Funny)

BearRanger (945122) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090831)

Best. Tie Clip. Ever.

iTunes 7 (1)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090678)

I'm not keen on the new icon - now there's too much blue in my dock.

and it pisses me off how videos doesn't have a section now jus a playlist. but I can't even play iTMS videos yet because you need the new quicktime that isn't on software update yet.

the cover view is made crappy by not grouping compilations - hence the same album art repeated for different artists.

so don't bother downloading the .dmg - just wait for software update.

Re:iTunes 7 (1)

godawful (84526) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090757)

it reminds me of itunes 2.0, i think that was the blue icon? i was curious if it would change form green since it has been green from 5.0 on.

happened to notice requirements (for os x) are up to 10.3.9, whereas itunes 6 only required 10.2.8.

i've got it determining gapless playback right now, it's been going for ages, but thats what happens with 30K+ songs. can only imaging how long finding missing artwork will take, but thank god that feature is there, as finding artwork is the bane of my music playing existence (despite all the programs that help do it).

i must admit to being excited about these products, i am actually thinking of replacing my second generation ipod for the first time. and i suddenly find my lack of a mac with a remote to be of the upmost detriment.. gotta get out of this RDF.

Re:iTunes 7 (1)

Y-Crate (540566) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090785)

and it pisses me off how videos doesn't have a section now jus a playlist. but I can't even play iTMS videos yet because you need the new quicktime that isn't on software update yet.
Try this []

Re:iTunes 7 (3, Informative)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090844)

the cover view is made crappy by not grouping compilations - hence the same album art repeated for different artists.

It seems it shows you cover art in the order in which your music is sorted. If you're sorting by "Artist", for example, then yes, it will show you the same cover art multiple times if there are multiple artists on the album. That's because it's actually sorting the cover art by artist.

If you sort by Album, however, I think you'll find that your complaint goes away.

Another expensive Christmas (5, Funny)

darien (180561) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090681)

For fuck's sake. I hate giving money to Apple. But now my girlfriend's going to insist on having one of these new iPod Nanos for Christmas. And what really winds me up is that she isn't even going to care about the capacity, or the battery, or the patented scroll-wheel interface, or iTunes integration, or anything like that. She's going to want it because it's blue.

Re:Another expensive Christmas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090793)

Dump her!

Re:Another expensive Christmas (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090834)

Why doesn't said girlfriend buy it for herself?

Re:Another expensive Christmas (1)

Larry Lightbulb (781175) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090868)

It means that in September you know what to get her for Christmas, which is better than getting the wrong thing on the 24th and suffering for it afterwards.

Re:Another expensive Christmas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090884)

I banged my leg on a coffee table this morning. Want to buy some photos of the bruise for your lady friend?

Shocking Interface Change (3, Insightful)

Hootenanny (966459) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090685)

When I downloaded and installed iTunes 7, I was rather stunned to see the new interface. It doesn't even remotely resemble a standard Mac OS X Aqua application. It looks... well, almost like a gray Windows application. Or a Java application. Yuck. Dear Apple, please bring back the old, standard look and feel. Enough said!

Re:Shocking Interface Change (4, Insightful)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090817)

It looks like That's 10000x better than the all-brushed-metal monstrosity it was before.

Big question... (1, Interesting)

Dzimas (547818) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090686)

Why is it that we eagerly participate in a mad rush to publicize every single product at every single Apple PR event? No one else *ever* gets that kind of coverage... Imagine Dell or Creative Labs having a similar impact. The cold, hard reality is that the company has its share of flops along with the home runs (like that odd iPod speaker thingy) and they're definitely not a cool and trendy ma & pa shop... yet we treat them like one. I know there stuff is cool, but it's not always the coolest. So why is it that we keep worshiping at the Idol of Jobs?

Re:Big question... (4, Insightful)

mblase (200735) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090725)

Why is it that we eagerly participate in a mad rush to publicize every single product at every single Apple PR event? No one else *ever* gets that kind of coverage.

Two reasons. One: we love new iPods. and Two: Apple nearly wrote the book on this sort of marketing technique, and we still love to fall for it every single time.

Re:Big question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090771)

Because this is what'll you see from Dell or Creative next year. Plus, it's fun. We're all into tech around here, right?

Comsumerism (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090813)

All this silly Apple hype is is just a disgusting display of consumerism run amok. It's THE shiny gadget to waste your money on, so it's gonna get lots of press. Yuck. But hey, what's patriotism if it isn't going even further into debt to buy more Chinese-made plastic shit that you don't need?

iTV (4, Interesting)

Damek (515688) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090689)

Looking forward to this - but the big question will be, can you import video, or does it all have to come from iTunes Music Store? Namely, will Apple support via iTunes, just as they do for CDs, importing DVDs? Because a set top box that can only play video from an iTunes-bearing computer is relatively useless in comparison with Tivo/DVR/EyeTV/whathaveyou. Combine your standard cable company's DVR box with EyeTV and you can get any video you want on your Mac mini. No need for an "iTV" then. I guess if they just want to make it easy for people to get their iTunes videos onto their TV screen, that'll be good for most, but I would hope they at least provide some advanced functionality.

Re:iTV (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090733)

I'm sure you will be able to play your home videos in MP4 format and probably recorded shows from EyeTV, but DVD-ripping software still isn't legal.

Re:iTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090866)

I'd imagine it's just a glorified Front Row frontend. As it is, Front Row will have access to all music in the "Music" folder, Pictures in iPhoto, and videos in the "Movies" folder. /*you can just put an alias to an external drive or server with videos on it inside the "Movies" folder to give Front Row access*/ You'll have to rip the DVDs yourself (, but I'm sure iTV will be able to play them as outlined above - it shouldn't be limited to iTMS content.

Apple + TiVo - never gonna happen? (1)

Loconut1389 (455297) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090691)

I guess apple and TiVo won't be pairing up to offer iTunes support. Bummer. I thought there was some rumor they were talking about it at one point.

Re:Apple + TiVo - never gonna happen? (1)

Incongruity (70416) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090835)

Wasn't the rumor that Apple would buy TiVo? Well, either way, it's still just as much (or little) of a possibility inasmuch as the iTv doesn't appear to have any inputs (other than the network connections), so it's a different beast than a TiVo so interoperability is not out of the question, one might think.

iTV (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090694)

The set-top box is looking pretty nice (component and HDMI video output). Makes me wonder if it has the horsepower to decode HD material. If so, then it may work it's way to the top of my wishlist when it's released.

Re:iTV (1)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090774)

The set-top box is looking pretty nice (component and HDMI video output). Makes me wonder if it has the horsepower to decode HD material. If so, then it may work it's way to the top of my wishlist when it's released.

With an HDMI port, I'd say that's a good bet. Now, will it have DVR capability?

Aye, there's the rub.

Re:iTV (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090839)

The description on engadget made it sound like it's more like the media center extenders that are available for Windows machines. There is no local storage in the device--it streams the data from another machine via WiFi. So this more or less rules out the possibility of using it as a DVR. However, as with all things Apple, they'll hopefully get it right with Rev 2.

Re:iTV (1)

kherr (602366) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090872)

Now, will it have DVR capability?

Seems doubtful. It's a router, not a server. It gets the content from the network, like from your video server on your LAN. Compare to how the AirPort Express works, streaming music through itself. The iTV looks like it has a fancier version of Front Row, which does the remote polling of content. Kind of like how iTunes and iPhoto now work with shared libraries.

I want to know if the component out is YPbPr or RGB. I'm hoping it's not RGB, but the picture of the ports [] shows them colored that way. Blah.

Re:iTV (1)

bigpat (158134) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090811)

The set-top box is looking pretty nice (component and HDMI video output). Makes me wonder if it has the horsepower to decode HD material. If so, then it may work it's way to the top of my wishlist when it's released.

I'd also be interested in the types of peripherals that might get released for this. Maybe have CableCARD 2.0 and/or over the air HDTV tuner as a peripheral? Then you have the ultimate little box for all your tv needs.

Or maybe they just jump right to OpenCable [] which would keep peripheral costs down and allow them to integrate cable or satellite content.

Re:iTV (1)

bagboy (630125) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090820)

I made a suggestion that they rename it to "I-Candy".

Re:iTV (1)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090854)

$299 is not going to fly especially with such limited studio support.

iTunes Browse-Album Mode (3, Informative)

Shuh (13578) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090701)

Use the scroll-wheel on your mouse to browse those albums. MMMmmmm, tasty!

Kinda Underwhelming, no? (1)

supremebob (574732) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090706)

After hearing all the rumors of an iPod cell phone and widescreen video iPods, the actual product announcements seem quite unimpressive. It seems like the only product that got a major redesign was the Shuffle, with everything else being minor enhancements.

Sure, cheaper iPods with more storage and battery life are a good thing, but I didn't really see anything that wanted me to upgrade my existing MP3 player.

Games SDK? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090715)

There's no word on where these iPod games came from or how they were developed. I never saw any SDKs released for this new iPod capability, even under NDA. I wonder, are these games J2ME apps? Where's the SDK?

If this new iPod can run J2ME games, there's a truckload of stuff you can get w/o going thru iTunes and paying five bucks per game.

Another Settop Box (1)

BandwidthHog (257320) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090730)

Hopefully this one does slightly better [] , eh?

Interesting that they did a preview of a product they’re not ready to formally announce yet. Rather uncharacteristic. I guess they feel their hand is being forced. Perhaps they’re trying to steal thunder from Vista Media Center Edition or whatever it’s called? You’d think they’d at least finalize the name, though. Really odd.

Or maybe they’re trying to convince the other movie houses that they’re really serious about this and that the public is interested enough.

Re:Another Settop Box (4, Interesting)

mblase (200735) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090791)

Interesting that they did a preview of a product they're not ready to formally announce yet. Rather uncharacteristic

It's been pointed out that the only reason most iTMS users would buy full-length movies online is so they could watch them on their TV set. Since DVD burning isn't an option (yet?), Apple had to announce their intended set-top box to give the movie announcement some real weight..................

Re:Another Settop Box (1)

piggy (5857) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090890)

Or maybe they're trying to convince the other movie houses that they're really serious about this and that the public is interested enough.

I think that this has to be the main purpose. Starting with Disney and related studios is good, but it was almost a given with Jobs's relationship. They need to convince the other studios that it isn't as risky as they seem to think -- and will be profitable.

But the other purpose is to prove to the potential consumer of movies via iTMS that they are serious. If a customer feels that he or she will have the potential for additional value with their iPods and the "iTV", they may be more likely to gravitate to the iTMS than the store. Of course, this indirectly convinces more studios, which convinces more customers, so the two purposes are certainly intertwined.

Moo (0, Offtopic)

Chacham (981) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090734)

I'm looking at the option of getting a mini music player, and iPod seems to be the way to go. With Apple's reputation of doing things well, i'll bet it'll be a high quality piece of hardware as easy to use as ever.

And i always thought Sony could have done it. Oh well.

No movie burning? Meh (4, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090739)

That was the make or break for me. I could deal with a $10 movie price as long as I could burn the movie to DVD and watch it on TV.

Without it - sorry, folks, but I'll wait.

Re:No movie burning? Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090882)

Without it - sorry, folks, but I'll wait.

They want you to buy the media center pc they are coming out with. That way you download it to your pc and watch it on TV without having to burn a disc.

The masses will love it. The only question is will it have TIVO functionality?

Baby Steps (2, Insightful)

TheWoozle (984500) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090750)

Well, at $14.99 the movies are too expensive. But the new set-top box is a promising step in the right direction. That plus a Mac Mini look like a nice, quiet, unobtrusive presence in the living room. Notice that the box has HDMI out - possible hi-def videos in the future?

Oooh, shiny! (1)

mblase (200735) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090756)

Apple also posted Quicktime videos of their new "iPod nano rave" [] commercials. Tres trippy.

iTunes v6 FairPlay DRM crack fixed? (1)

Nrbelex (917694) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090758)

I wonder if iTunes version 7 fixed the iTunes v6 FairPlay DRM crack. [] Has anyone tried it?

Just one thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090760)

It looks like they used powerpoint for that presentation?

Re:Just one thing (2, Funny)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090837)

No [] . Moron.

Blow by blow? (5, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090766)

Putting "Blow by blow" and "Steve Jobs" in one sentence really wasn't a good idea.

Lovely! (2, Interesting)

Toreo asesino (951231) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090767)

There's some much appreciated updates in iTunes, speaking for myself at least...the album art was something I had to do in external programs (Tag & rename for instance).

But, I've noticed the installer mentioned something about a "Software updater" (or equivalent in English) for iTunes & QuickTime - have they finally solved the full-install download for each version revision I wonder? I guess we won't know for sure until there's an update.

This is lame (5, Informative)

dangermouse (2242) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090773)

I sort of assumed that when Jobs said you could transfer music between iTunes libraries using the iPod, he meant all of your music. Nope [] .

Music and media not purchased from the iTunes store only syncs one way, from your computer to your iPod.

I know this is not new, but enabling this functionality for iTMS tracks only is a real dick move.

The War for the Home is Over: Apple Won (1, Insightful)

Cr0w T. Trollbot (848674) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090779)

The War for the Home Media PC Market is Over, and Apple Has Won

Let's review, shall we?

  • Apple has the best media-enabled PC
  • Apple has the best operating system for playing and manipulating media a wide margin.
  • Apple has the best music playing software (iTunes).
  • Apple has the best MP3 player (iPod) by an overwhelming margin.
  • Apple has the best legal music downloading service (iTunes Music Store) by a similarly overwhelming margin.
  • Now apple has what appears to be the best video-download store (also iTunes). Amazon and company took their best shot to capture the home media market with UnBox...and it's crap [] . Whatever drawbacks iTunes has as a media delivery platform, they pale in comparison to UnBox's unweildy, power-hungry, DRMed piece of crap.
  • Come early 2007, Apple will have what is probably the best set-top box on the market, with an attractive price point. Add a MythTV-like recorder function to that (and I'm sure they're working on it), and you have far and away the market leader right out of the gate.

In short, in anything in home entertainment that requires a real user interface, Apple has already beaten the competition so soundly that it is hard to see how they will recover. Apart from the XBox 360 line (still a money-loser, though they might finally eek out a profit if Sony doesn't get their act together), Microsoft is completely absent with viable competitors. With $349 for an 80 GB video iPod, does anyone think Zune, due in November, is going to be anything but dead on arrival?

Game over, Man.

-Crow T. Trollbot

In the iFuture: (3, Funny)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090788)

"Hey, you've got a bit of dust on your clothes"

"That's not dust! That's my ipod!"

Captioning? EyeTV support? (1, Interesting)

awtbfb (586638) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090794)

My key question: will the movies and updated TV shows have closed captioning? Under iTMS6 they do not. Likewise, the current iPod doesn't support closed captioning either.

On a related note, will iTunes allow importing of content from EyeTV [] , VIDEO_TS folders (guessing no due to Front Row), or ripping of DVDs? EyeTV integrates with FrontRow, but will it work with this new iTV box? I can rip my CDs already, can I now rip my DVDs?

Core 2 Duo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090808)

While everybody is churning out core 2 duo, apple is not. Steve, get you act together

Just downloaded a movie... (5, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090818)

I downloaded The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy as a test.

- The movie is 1.22 GB, and downloaded in about 20 minutes on a 100 Mbps connection (Internet2).
- The movie was able to be played before downloading was finished, and could skip to anywhere in the content that was already complete.
- The content shows itself as being protected by "FairPlay Version: 2".
- The bitrate is 1.5Mbps.
- The framerate is 24fps.
- The audio on this particular movie is Protected AAC, stereo, 128kbps, 44.1kHz.
- The video on this particular movie is Protected H.264/AVC0 640x272 (Widescreen format, probably just 640x480 with the black bars eliminated).
- The video looks very good (indeed, "near DVD quality") on a high quality 20" LCD. (I'm not a "videophile", but this is absolutely more than watchable on a nice quality large TV or monitor, and I suspect most consumers would agree).
- The video can be played in QuickTime, and uses QuickTime Chapters for DVD chapters; chapters are also accessible in iTunes.
- The video file can be burned to a DVD, but you cannot burn the file as a video DVD.
- You can play the file on multiple computers (I *believe* up to three as opposed to five for music), or on an unlimited number of iPods (if the usage rights haven't changed with iTunes 7; I haven't looked through the terms - if someone knows this to be different please correct me. In any case, it's already less restrictive than Unbox).
- iTunes 7.0 requires QuickTime 7.1.3.
- Pretty much every movie I looked at was $9.99; some new releases were up to $14.99, but were cheaper if preordered.
- When used on a Mac in a media center configuration, or with the forthcoming iTV solution that will presumably be much like a video AirPort Express (and yes, I know it's not an AirPort Express, but it will probably act a lot like a AirPort Express functionally, except allowing the streaming of video to your TV), this will be a pretty compelling and vertically integrated solution for most consumers.

Apple = Big Brother (5, Funny)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090828)

I love that somewhat Orwellian slide that Engadget has from the presentation:

Apple is in your den
Apple is in your living room
Apple is in your car
Apple is in your pocket

What's next?

Strength Through iTunes
iTunes Through Apple

Apple Prevails

The Path to Disney (0, Troll)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090845)

"All 75 movies initially available are from Disney-related studios."

When can I upload my own terrorism fan fiction, say a version of the story of 9/11/2001 that blames Al Gore, to iTunes, and become a Disney-related studio?

x64? (1)

karolgajewski (515082) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090849)

Does this version of iTunes finally support the x64 for the PC? That was really annoying to not be able to install 6.0.5 on Windows XP x64 without having to use some sort of workaround.

HFS! Gapless! (1)

SmittyTheBold (14066) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090852)

The new version of iTunes also has gapless playback support. No word yet on whether the new iPods do the same or not, but it'd be nice.

Possible iTunes bug (1)

fatwreckfan (322865) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090875)

I was listening to music in iTunes 7 when I went to the iPod games page (), which has an embedded Quicktime movie. When the movie started playing the music in iTunes started playing at double time, like it was being fast forwarded. Anyone else care to try to see if it's an iTunes bug?

Say no to "pan & scan" (1)

Cybert4 (994278) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090883)

Cropped movies are a BAD thing. Theatrical movies are much wider than 4:3. I stopped watching "pan & scan" movies a long time ago. The idea is that a human tries to scan left and right to get the right shot. Of course, things don't always go well. I got sick of people talking who I couldn't even see! Unless the movies are in widescreen--I'm not interested.

Smack! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16090886)

When I read the part about iTV, for some reason I got this image in my head of Steve Jobs walking up to Bill Gates and delivering a resounding *SMACK*, before walking off without explanation.

As someone who only lightly follows product releases, I look at both the media center ability of the 360, and the media center ability of the iTV. But it's only the iTV that's simple enough for me to understand how it works by just looking at a picture of the product. For some reason, microsoft's services just don't have the kind of cohesion between their products that would grab the average Joe's attention and understanding. This might be a good reason to switch to mac...

Dag Nabbit. (4, Funny)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16090892)

I wanna Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro
I wanna Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro
I wanna Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro
I wanna Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro

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