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The 100 Most Influential Women in Gaming

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the clearing-things-up dept.

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Ground Glass writes "Next Generation has posted a list of the 100 most influential women in the games industry. It's an exhaustive and nonsense-free take on a subject particularly important to the male-dominated world of videogames. From the article: 'A gender-inclusive approach to game design and marketing of games may ensure that most, if not all, considerations to producing games for myriad markets are not overlooked. Games are no longer produced for a niche market of players; they are produced for complex, over-lapping layers of demographically, geographically, socially and culturally-influenced consumer groups.'"

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List is incomplete. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16096414)

My mother's missing. As the one who decided which games got purchased, she was definately one of the top women who affected the games industry.

This is GREAT news (1)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097003)

Last time I read about women in gaming, years ago, it was all about a handful of "ubercute" gamer "babes" and of course Asia Carrera. Now the list starts out with women CEOs. Good stuff, now we're seeing some progress toward balance.

100 Most Influential in Gambling? (0, Offtopic)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096416)

Sorry, I misread this article title. I was at first stunned they found 100, cause I can only think of like 2 or 3 women in gambling right now, including Jennifer Harman and Dave Williams mom.

Re:100 Most Influential in Gambling? (1)

couch_potato (623264) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096506)

And now that you know that it's gaming, you're not stunned that they found 100?

Cool links. [blogspot.com]

Re:100 Most Influential in Gambling? (1)

intrico (100334) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096534)

Even though they are referring to "gaming" rather than gambling, I for one am still surprised that they found 100.

Re:100 Most Influential in Gambling? (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097670)

Christ, up until the 4th page I was wondering if any of them were involved with companies anyone ever heard or cared about. Then I saw the one from EA and realized that they did find atleast someone from a company everyone hates.

Re:100 Most Influential in Gambling? (1)

gravis777 (123605) | more than 8 years ago | (#16101031)

This list is proposterous. They have people like Public relations officer at Nintendo and someone who teaches game design at some university, yet they fail to talk about the most influential people, such as Roberta Williams and other women who were famous for the adventure games from Sierra Online that came out back in the 80s and 90s. Maybe they ment the most infuential people still in games.

Number 1... (4, Funny)

tygerstripes (832644) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096418)

The missus. Her stern insistence and, as a last resort, use of the step-ladder to reach the fuse-box is the only reason I still have a life, job, pulse etc when faced with [insert game].

Lara Croft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16096419)

oh... you meant *real* women...

Top 10 maybe (3, Insightful)

dalewj (187278) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096425)

Top 10 makes sense, top 100 is a bit of digging for no reason... in my opinion. intersting thou.

Re:Top 10 maybe (3, Insightful)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096559)

+1. Project managers? Consultants? It sounds like they struggled just to find 100 women with careers related to video games. Influential, to me, means that the person has a broad impact on the industry in general and not just on the project they work on. I doubt many these people could be named by anyone outside their company. The pics are suspect too, how many do you think came off of their MySpace page? It's not that I'm harsh on women in gaming, but the author probably just did this as a favor piece so that she can make 100 friends in the business.

Re:Top 10 maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16097132)

Those pictures are really odd.

She was originally only going to publish 50. (1)

Malkin (133793) | more than 8 years ago | (#16098578)

I have a little bit of knowledge about how this list was compiled. Fiona was originally going to publish only 50 names, but received so many recommendations that she expanded the list to 100. These women were almost entirely recommended by people outside of their companies. Many of the people who made recommendations were people (of both sexes) on the IGDA's women_dev list. There were many recommendations who didn't even make it onto the list (I recommended Evelyn Richardson, head of the Game Developer's Assocation of Australia, for example).

Re:She was originally only going to publish 50. (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 8 years ago | (#16099292)

No offense intended to you or the subjects of this article, but the author should have stuck with 50! After reading the list a little more carefully I am hard pressed to find even a dozen who have more than a typical career in the video game industry. When they say influential I expect them to *mean it*. I stand by my original statement that this article is mostly a favor piece that does nothing more than circulate names.

Re:She was originally only going to publish 50. (1)

Malkin (133793) | more than 8 years ago | (#16099730)

"After reading the list a little more carefully I am hard pressed to find even a dozen who have more than a typical career in the video game industry."

I understand your concern. To be honest, when I saw that Fiona put up 100 names, I read through the list with a critical eye. I'm a female senior programmer in the industry, and I've even been a lead before. I'm pretty well known, have spoken at conferences and universities, and have been consulted for books and articles on a number of occasions. So, you have to understand, I was bound asking myself, as I read the list: "Do I have more of a right to be on the list than this person?" Yes, I DID see a few people I could probably pull rank on. But many of the ones that were the most iffy have published books, or done something else to buoy them up a bit on the influence meter. I can't really say I've published a book, yet.

"I stand by my original statement that this article is mostly a favor piece that does nothing more than circulate names."

She went to the developer community for these names. I saw the discussion. So I don't really understand how it would be a favor piece. Now, your complaint that she should have stuck with 50 names may be valid, depending on how you want to define "influential," but I believe, nonetheless, that her intentions were good.

Re:Top 10 maybe (1)

Tweekster (949766) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097085)

In all honesty I think a top 100 list of men would be too much too. You can clearly outline 10 top people and there will be some tough calls, but honestly, top 100 would just be a boring list, after a while it is "oh yeah, this guy did this, you forgot about it already"

Re:Top 10 maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16097124)

Very true. I'm surprised they actually found 100 women who are in the gaming industry, let alone "influential" ones. Then again, with job titles like "Game designer" and "Lecturer"... how much influence does one have on the industry.

Thou art surely using the wrong word. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16098205)

"thou" is a (mostly unused except by some quakers) expression for other people. You wanted "though". If you are going to use "thou" then you better be talking all old english.

Now this is a great iniative (2, Interesting)

Ice.Saoshyant (993846) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096428)

Kudos to Fiona Cherbak, who wrote the article. I'm still reading it, but I've learned a few interesting things so far. I'll mention Sue Bohle, who has worked on PR for two decades, 3DO included.

Re:Now this is a great iniative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16097136)

Because we all know how effective the PR dept of 3DO was.

umm, Dani Bunten? (1)

holden caufield (111364) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096438)

Or, can dead people not be considered to be "influential"?

http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2003/03/18 /bunten/index.html [salon.com]

Re:umm, Dani Bunten? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16096719)

Well...um...to put it bluntly...Dani Bunten wasn't exactly BORN a female....

Re:umm, Dani Bunten? (1)

holden caufield (111364) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097238)

And what exactly is your point, Mr. Coward? That didn't stop Wil Wright from dedicating "The Sims" to her.

Good point (1)

jbellis (142590) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097254)

But didn't Dani do most of her influential work back when s/he was Daniel? That could be a technical disqualifier. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Bunten [wikipedia.org]

--
Carnage Blender [carnageblender.com] : Meet interesting people. Kill them.

Re:Good point (1)

Allison Geode (598914) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097502)

maybe, but i'd say that doesn't really matter, seeing as how most of the people in this top 100 list are product managers, ceo's, and marketing drones. business people. they actually probably don't care about games much at all, other than the fact that it lets them have a paycheck. wheras dani, despite her birth-gender, made some of the most inventive games ever created, and was a true pioneer. as already stated, Will Wright dedicated "the sims" to her.

Re:umm, Dani Bunten? (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097639)

People generally don't consider transsexual males to be women. That includes other women, who would usually be very nervous at the idea of even sharing the public bathroom with them, for example.

Now, the one omission I can't figure out is Stevie Case. Like her or not, despite the fact that she got her position mainly because she was John Romero's girlfriend, she was still more influential than most of the women on this list. (It doesn't have to be a good influence. Hell, I don't think the cynical commercialism of girl-only gamer groups like the PMS Clan is a good influence either, but one of its members is on the list.)

Oh, and others have mentioned Roberta Williams, which is an even better example of female influence. Maybe they have to be influential now?

Rob

Re:umm, Dani Bunten? (1)

British (51765) | more than 8 years ago | (#16098674)

Stevie Case ruined it all when she posed nude(even though it never hit the press), etc. She went from female gamer who broke the gender barrier....right all the way down to "attention whore". No, she isn't influential at all.And according to wikipedia, As of November 2005, "Case is employed at Tira Wireless in sales/business development." she isn't involved with games at all.

Jon Romero (5, Funny)

kerp11 (410921) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096450)

That John Romero chick is HOT

Re:Jon Romero (1)

tygerstripes (832644) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096470)

If I had the points, I would mod you to heaven - why are references to PA always funnier when it takes you a minute to get it?

Re:Jon Romero (1)

dougmc (70836) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096504)

That John Romero chick is HOT
Uh-huh.


I recall PC Gamer having a picture of Stevie Case [wikipedia.org] on the cover, and talking about how she was one of the `Gaming Gods'. While I may not agree with you about John, I would have to say that Stevie was indeed rather attractive, though I tended to question her actual influence on the gaming industry at the time. I don't recall seeing her name in the list given today (and really didn't expect to see it, but I did look for it.)

Should be #1 (1)

KoKopuffz (704063) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096458)

Where's Lara Croft? She has to be in the top 100! She is a real person, isn't she?

My girl.. (0)

Soygen (911358) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096472)

Surprised I didn't see my girlfriend on the list, as she is definitely the one who influences how much time I can spend playing video games. :(

IT WAS RIGGED (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16096476)

Lara Craft didn't make it? whaaa?

missing: the one who is not only most important... (3, Insightful)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096499)

to gaming but computer science in general. I didn't see her in there. If I remember correclty, she was a US Naval Officer, and won a bet by doing the "impossible", designing a language that could use semi human words, instead of the bytecode that everyone had punched in up until then. She even made it work in three languages... Without her, the whole computer industry, let alone gaming, would have been set back years.

Re:missing: the one who is not only most important (5, Informative)

codefrog (302314) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096661)

Sounds like you meant (but didn't name) Grace Hopper, who (IIRC) was associated with the development of ADA.
http://www.sdsc.edu/ScienceWomen/hopper.html [sdsc.edu]

Re:missing: the one who is not only most important (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097373)

aye (to you and the others), I'm pretty sure that's her.

Re:missing: the one who is not only most important (2, Informative)

aricept (810752) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096672)

I believe you mean Grace Hopper [wikipedia.org] .

Re:missing: the one who is not only most important (-1, Flamebait)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096810)

If I remember correclty, she was a US Naval Officer, and won a bet by doing the "impossible", designing a language that could use semi human words, instead of the bytecode that everyone had punched in up until then.

Yeah, I'm sure no one every did that before her, because it's *so* fucking hard to swap out bytecode for partial words and tell the compiler to convert.

She even made it work in three languages...

Yeah, mapping different code words to the same assembly code -- that takes fucking genius.

Where would we be without women like her?

Re:missing: the one who is not only most important (2, Insightful)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096924)

Yeah, I'm sure no one every did that before her, because it's *so* fucking hard to swap out bytecode for partial words and tell the compiler to convert.
[sarcasm]Yeah, because everyone's been writing programming languages for like 8 billion years, so someone in the '50s wouldn't have anything new to think up.[/sarcasm]

Troll.

Re:missing: the one who is not only most important (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097391)

[sarcasm]Yeah, because everyone's been writing programming languages for like 8 billion years, so someone in the '50s wouldn't have anything new to think up.[/sarcasm]

Good point. I shouldn't have assumed that the typical programmer is capable of thinking up a simple one-to-one swapout algorithm if someone hadn't thought of it before. Come to think of it, that's probably why most bogus patents are granted in software:

Patent Examiner(PE): Hm... okay, it looks like they're trying to patent one-click shopping. No good. That's obvious.
Patent Examiner Assistant(PEA): But sir, is that obvious to someone competent in the art?
PE: I think so ...
PEA: That means, obvious to a programmer.
PE: Oh! Good point! Application granted!

I'll miss the karma, but it had to be said.

Re:missing: the one who is not only most important (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097658)

Good point. I shouldn't have assumed that the typical programmer is capable of thinking up a simple one-to-one swapout algorithm if someone hadn't thought of it before.
I don't see why you're so bitter about this. There's a first for everything. While it looks obvious to you now, 50 years later, considering you've probably lived most if not all of your life with programming languages that use English words, it probably was a lot less obvious back then.

Airplanes would have been invented without the Wright brothers, but people start talking about them, do you get all huffy and say that anyone could have put together a piece of shit plane like they did?

And your patent argument is totally off-topic (though it does help to clarify why you're so bitter). First of all, one-click shopping is obvious to a shopper (who doesn't want less clicks?). Second of all, while I think she deserves props and is an important person in the history of technology, it's not like I was saying she should have had a patent on that so no one else could make a programming language that uses English words (I don't support software patents in general), and no one else did either.

Re:missing: the one who is not only most important (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097690)

OK, you are making an assumption: that people in the earliest days of computer program were even remotely would consider to be "typical programmers".

That couldn't be farther from the truth.

The concept of a steam engine seems fairly obvious now, pressure from the steam makes stuff move, easy. Go back a few hundred years, and tell someone with much less technical experience than the average person today has, and they'll give you a funny look.

Re:missing: the one who is not only most important (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097714)

Patent Examiner Assistant(PEA): But sir, is that obvious to someone competent in the art?

Ah, but therein lies the rub. At the time she was doing many of these things, there were practically no competent practitioners of the art. And nothing was obvious to anybody. Period.

She was one of the very first people to ever work on computers.

Not to over-inflate her importance, but you're kind of saying "Well, Newtonian physics is obvious to any first year physics student". The old adage in science is "I see far because I stand on the shoulders of giants"; of which she surely is one of them. That doesn't make identifying them trivial. It means they were that friggin' important.

Cheers

Re:missing: the one who is not only most important (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097400)

Just because something *seems* obvious to you, doesn't mean it's obvious to everyone.

That is especially true when you considered; you were set up in an environment where such was pervasive, and for them it was unheard of.

Re:missing: the one who is not only most important (2, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097632)


Yeah, I'm sure no one every did that before her, because it's *so* fucking hard to swap out bytecode for partial words and tell the compiler to convert.

You do realize that when Admiral Hopper was assigned to work on the first computers the US had (and I do literally mean first) there was no history to precede what she ended up working on, don't you??

She worked on many pioneering projects, and I believe can be credited (blamed?) with the invention of COBOL to simplify things.

Insinuating that the work Grace Hopper did wasn't the work of Genius is kind of like saying that "All Donald Knuth did was to write down some algorithms in a book", because it's largely on the same level of achievement. Failure to recognize that shows more of your ignornance than any deficiencies in her many accomplishments.

She is as an important figure in the history of computers as practically anyone else. Sure, in retrospect, it all seems obvious. Rest assured, when she did it, it was anything but old hat or easy to do.

Cheers

Which begs the question (2, Funny)

Kelz (611260) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096540)

There are 100 women in gaming?

*ducks*

Re:Which begs the question (1)

dohzer (867770) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096683)

I'm sure there are at least 100 that have played a game at some time or another.
Does that count?

Yep, exactly 100. (2, Interesting)

oneiros27 (46144) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096768)

Next Generation has posted a list of the 100 most influential women in the games industry. It's an exhaustive and nonsense-free take on a subject particularly important to the male-dominated world of videogames
(Emphasis added).

So if it's exhaustive, then there can't be a 101th member. Of course, it reads more like 'these are females that I know currently in the industry, or peripherally related'. Hell, Ada Byron [sdsc.edu] probably had more influence than any of the ones on the list, even if it was indirect.

Re:Which begs the question (0, Flamebait)

Torgo's Pizza (547926) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096884)

They all happen to be the booth babes at E3. Sadly, with the recent changes to E3, the state of women in the industry is precarious to say the least.

Thanks! (0, Offtopic)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096978)

I only read the comments on this story to see how quickly somebody would post that very message. Cheers!

Re:Which begs the question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16097379)

You mean, there are 100 *influential* women in gaming? :)

Re:Which begs the question (1)

spx (855431) | more than 8 years ago | (#16098011)

The rest avoided posting a picture online, so to not be hecked upon. :)

Re:Which begs the question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16100598)

Well, we know that there are no girls on the internet, so you must be ducking to avoid the projectiles sure to be hurled by grammar Nazi's for your terribly incorrect usage of "begs the question."

Roberta Williams? (4, Insightful)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096549)

And besides that, wtf would influential in gaming mean? Every part considering gaming? In that case Hillary Cliton should also be on that list.

Re:Roberta Williams? (4, Insightful)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096764)

The omission of Roberta Williams is ridiculous. She is one of the most influential people in the history of games, never mind video games, never mind women.

Re:Roberta Williams? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16097289)

Mod parent up harder.

Re:Roberta Williams? (2, Informative)

ILikeRed (141848) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097693)

I agree. They also left out Roberta's co-worker, Jane Jensen [wikipedia.org] . (Writer of the Gabriel Knight series, also worked on King's Quest VI).

Re:Roberta Williams? (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097974)

I can't believe I didn't mention her name as well! I absolutely adore her games and I enjoyed the first Gabriel Knight novel as well. She's a real fireball and a cutie to boot! I'm really looking forward to her upcoming series for The Adventure Company!

Re:Roberta Williams? (1)

spun (1352) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097846)

Every other woman listed seems to be active in the game industry today. Roberta is retired, more's the pity. When I was a young geek gamer, I had such a crush on her despite the fact that she's 17 years older than me. Girl geek gamer and hot to boot, what's not to love?

Re:Roberta Williams? (1)

indigozeal (1000795) | more than 8 years ago | (#16101405)

Every other woman listed seems to be active in the game industry today.

I still agree that she should be among the most *influential* women in gaming. Even though she's no longer active, the influence that King's Quest and Phantasmagoria alone had on the market is still felt today. (And would anyone doubt she couldn't pull strings today if she wanted back in the market?)

Best Roberta Williams Picture (3, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097901)

She's the one on the right. [wikipedia.org] I kid you not. Bow-chicka-bow-ow! Ms. Williams? I'm here to fix your hot tub. Uh oh, looks like I'm gonna hafta lay some new pipe!

Re:Best Roberta Williams Picture (1)

hrrY (954980) | more than 8 years ago | (#16099053)

Truly astonishing, so back in the day women in games had to be developers, designers, booth babes, and porn stars!

Those were the good ole days!!!!!

"Rod of shafting +9"

Re:Roberta Williams? (1)

bbagnall (608125) | more than 8 years ago | (#16098922)

Roberta Williams games are so bad, especially in her later career. Ever play Phantasmagoria or Phantasmagoria II? Those were rubbish. I never had a chance to play the early King's Quest games, but I played some of the later ones and they were rubbish too. Maybe her mark is really with the early games only.

Bogus list (1, Redundant)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096566)

Lara Croft appears *nowhere* in the top 100.

Sales and Marketing = Influential? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16096653)

Call me crazy, but they must be having a hard time finding candidates when they start listing Sales and Marketing directors on their list.

It's also funny to see [insert name here] owns a large portion of [company X] which happened to buy [game company Y].

Personally, I was expecting to see Gaile Gray on the list.

Re:Sales and Marketing = Influential? (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097469)

I only saw a couple that I could actually respect. Game designer for Jak 3, ea_spouse, and head of PMS. Everyone else seemed to be VP this, Marketing that. This is not helping the steriotypes.

Re:Sales and Marketing = Influential? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16098009)

I was just thinking the same thing. If you filter out all of Marketing, Public Relations, Communications and Human Resources VPs, and stick to the stuff that directly relates to actual act of making or playing games specifically, you're left with a third of a list... Unfortunately, I think it's a sad sign that the "glass ceiling" is still very much intact. Companies are all too happy to promote women into roles that are viewed as "soft", e.g. marketing, sales, communications, HR, etc., but stuff like lead developer, or game designer? I saw maybe a couple handfuls in that list, and most were working for small startups, handheld/mobile games companies, etc. Very few at the major publishing or development houses.

Re:Sales and Marketing = Influential? (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 8 years ago | (#16098302)

To be fair, there are some that I just have to respect. Naughty Dog, for one. So, if you filter out all the crap, I'd argue you have 5 or 10, tops, but those 5 or 10 are worth more than several thousand femarketroids.

100 Most Influential in Trash Removal (0, Troll)

bbagnall (608125) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096654)

I'd like to see a list of the top 100 most influential women in the garbage industry. It's been dominated by men for some reason, and I think women named Fiona need to start getting women more involved in the garbage removal industry.

Morgan Webb? (1)

chris_mahan (256577) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096667)

They left out Morgan Webb? I can't believe it.

On a purely gratuitous note: Morgan Romine of Frag Dolls is just scorching :) She made the list.

Click print to see them all... (4, Insightful)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096688)

Click print to view them all in one page. But seriously, where's Roberta Williams [wikipedia.org] ? Sure she's been retired from gaming for a few years, but she paved the way for women in the industry.

Re:Click print to see them all... (1)

vafada (782986) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096864)

yeah, Roberta Williams should be there... King's Quest and all those Sierra Games she and her husband created are classics... Her games are a big influence to the "Adventure" genre....

I'd rather see a "past and present" article (1)

kaizokunami (982824) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096694)

Interesting, but I think they were really reaching for a number of these. I'd much rather see a list of the most signifigant women in gaming, past and present. I think they'd find a number of more signifigant women to talk about if they delved into the past, including Roberta Williams.

A salute to a pioneer (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096706)

I, for one, would like to recognize videogame pioneer Wilma Rhomer, who in 1979 became the first woman ever to bitch at her boyfriend for neglecting her for videogames.

-Eric

Re:A salute to a pioneer (2, Funny)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 8 years ago | (#16098035)

I, for one, would like to recognize videogame pioneer Wilma Rhomer, who in 1979 became the first woman ever to bitch at her boyfriend for neglecting her for videogames.

So, do you still keep in touch? ;-)

ducks

Re:A salute to a pioneer (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#16098120)

So, do you still keep in touch? ;-)

With her or the videogames?

-Eric

Re:A salute to a pioneer (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 8 years ago | (#16098141)

"So, do you still keep in touch? ;-)"

With her or the videogames?

Why, the video games, of course. =) You know you've got a 1979 vintage copy of larn hanging about.

Hmmmm.... (1)

Metroid72 (654017) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096794)

I must say that I have met less than 5 true female hardcore gamers(*)
It's interesting to see that there are that many "influential" females in the industry.

(*) Again, I don't play online, maybe going and playing the Sims may help.

No Mynx? (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096797)

What, no Mynx? Dear Mynx was the one reason I kept going back to planetquake...

I don't know about you (1)

Paladine97 (467512) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096816)

But Jessica Mulligan looks more like a man than a woman.

She's about 5 or 6 pages in. Can't miss her!

Re:I don't know about you (1)

Drey (1420) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096963)

That would be because she used to be a he.

He is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16097752)

I don't think he should be on the list. He is neither influential in any fasion, nor a woman. He just got a "chop my cock off" operation and takes hormones.

Jack Thompson (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 8 years ago | (#16096833)

Jack Thompson is technically not a woman, but I hear he's a total twat.

No Programmers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16097097)

No programmers, just a handful of designers. Everybody else is VP or Director of blah blah. The people physically making the games are the ones who have influence. Maybe these VPs can influence which deal gets signed, negotiate a ESRB rating target... but once that pen hits the table the game is made and its design is largely dictated by what is fun to the people making it.


Influence is respect, and it comes from doing something cool, then going to talk about it at GDC or publishing articles and helping the gaming community. Go find the women making accomplishments, and make a list of them, not the schedulers and signers of checks.

Re:No Programmers? (2, Interesting)

Malkin (133793) | more than 8 years ago | (#16098485)

You missed Rima Brek. She is a programmer. Also, there just plain aren't a lot of female lead game programmers in the industry. As far as I know, I was the only one in Australia, when I was there.

ffs, why are we still doing this? (1)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097142)

If lists such as this give you a hard on, why not just list the top 100 influential *people* in the gaming industry? Why bother segretating the sexes via list?

I thought we stopped doing that in junior school dodgeball teams.

Re:ffs, why are we still doing this? (1)

Xuranova (160813) | more than 8 years ago | (#16098007)

If they listed the 100 most influential people in gaming, there wouldn't be any women to make the list.

They could find 100?! (1)

Frobozz0 (247160) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097385)

Wait for it ... wait for it ...

Not only could they find 100 women in gaming, at any capacity, but they found 100 that are influential?

I'm actually astonished.

Not that I think that's a good thing-- I just think finding 100 *people* that are actually influential is astounding considering most gamers can't name more than 5 "celebrity" gaming figures, be it male or female. Granted, this is harldy the only test for "influence," but it's certainly not far fetched to think they are, perhaps, digging a bit deep to find 100 of only one (minority) gender.

Here's to hoping things change!

Didn't RTFA, but looking at them I'd likely say... (1)

brjndr (313083) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097651)

That's not a woman, that's a MAN, baby!!!

In addition to Roberta Williams' absence... (1)

Mr. Gus (58458) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097700)

...and not straying far at all, Jane Jensen should have gotten a mention at well. She was the creater of the "Gabriel Knight" series, as well as doing work on other Sierra titles, such as King's Quest 6.

Honesting, ANY designer should be on the list over a "Director of Human Resources" or "Marketing Director" or many of the other titles of the people on the list, and Roberta Williams was hugely influential, and Jane Jensen has gotten tons of praise for her work with Gabriel Knight...

Re:In addition to Roberta Williams' absence... (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 8 years ago | (#16099220)

Lori Ann Cole is a huge omission too, IMHO. The Quest for Glory games were some of the best Sierra titles during the glory years. Apparently, management folks and chick clans are supposedly more influential than pioneers like Roberta and Lori though.

I'm just guessing, but #100 would be... (1)

cttforsale (803028) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097764)

Sally Bevilacqua - for bring in bagels for the whole dev team on the 1st Monday of every month. Thanks Sally! You're a peach!

I think I've figured it out (2, Insightful)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097838)

After meditating on it for a bit, I realized that the woman who wrote this list used the word "influential" when she meant to use the word "powerful." It makes a whole lot more sense now.

Rob

Headline inaccuracy... (1)

aschoeff (864154) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097882)

strike "most influential" and it actually makes sense.

Great list for a laugh. (1)

kinglink (195330) | more than 8 years ago | (#16097978)

CEOs, Project managers, the list goes on. How are they influencial? Answer... "we couldn't find 100 women"

There's a lot of women in the industry, they just haven't been in the industry for as long as others, or others have not done as much in the current years. Roberta Williams for one hasn't had a game to my knowledge for years.

I can live with Clans, programmers, and producers (I'll even go with project managers) But why is CEos there, and why are they talking about companies who write Game guides? Neither really influences the industry, most or just figureheads. What really matters is owners and presidents as well as designers and producers. But of course this is written by a .biz site ... giving more credit to the "industry" or business sites must overinflate the value of useless management.

This is sad, (1)

rmdir -r * (716956) | more than 8 years ago | (#16098851)

But the only person on that list I'd ever heard of before was Erin Hoffman, aka ea_spouse.


On the other hand, I don't think I could name that many influential males either. Carmack and Romero? Richard Garriot? Tim Sweeney? There just aren't that many star individuals.

Where is KillCreek? (1)

9mm Censor (705379) | more than 8 years ago | (#16099161)

aka John Romero's Ex-Wife.

She was hot, a level designer, a great gamer and was featured in Playboy.

Marketing weasel pats self, fellows, on back... (1)

cmonkey_1973 (844398) | more than 8 years ago | (#16100482)

... aims for pundit-hood.


See if you your name your article GAME INDUSTRY'S 100 MOST INFLUENTIAL WOMEN and then fill it with VPs of Marketing and your own boss (I regularly find myself contemplating this months rolling deadline and thinking "This is rough, thank god Mary Margaret Walker, CEO of recruitment agent Mary-Margaret.com is on the case.") you're just aiming to embarrass yourself to the Industry and its customers.

But, on the other hand, that's not really your audience is it?

you guys are missing the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16101257)

Cosmetically, this is the best content linked from /. in a loooooong time. Don't give me MacBook.

what about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16101345)

this chick [melaniecambron.com]
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