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The Wii Takes NYC

Zonk posted about 8 years ago | from the more-wiinfo dept.

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The news came in late from Japan, with details on the North American launch. This morning, Nintendo's New York press conference expanded our understanding of what's going to be happening on November 19th. 1up has coverage of the event, as well as Japan's virtual console pricing, the opening lineup details for Japan, and news that the ex-FFXII director is excited about the Wii. Hopefully this will mean innovative support of the platform by Square/Enix. Over at Gamespot, they have their own conference coverage, as well as a rundown on the system's media functionality and first-hand comments from the engineers that built it. Finally, for a bit of analysis, Next Generation explores what the return of the pack-in (the inclusion of Wii Sports with the console) means for the industry at large.

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before people complain (0, Redundant)

majortom1981 (949402) | about 8 years ago | (#16104361)

Before people complain about the prices. I think the prices are great $250 for a console and a game. I cant wait till nov 19

Re:before people complain (1)

CokeBear (16811) | about 8 years ago | (#16104403)

Who is complaining?
All they need to do is advertise how much cool WiiStuff you can get for the price of the PS3.

(Anyone done the math? How many games, accessories, etc can you get for that price? What is your ultimate WiiBundle for the price of a PS3?)

Re:before people complain (3, Informative)

ImaNumber (754512) | about 8 years ago | (#16104643)

Wii (w/game and controller) - $250
3 Extra Wiimotes - $120
1 Extra Nunchuk - $20
2 Retro Controllers - $40
Rayman - $50
Excite Truck - $50
Zelda - $50
2000 points for the VC - $20


Total $600, the same price as the PS3 with nothing extra.

Re:before people complain (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16104704)

> Total $600, the same price as the PS3 with nothing extra.

What a moron.

The PS3 with nothing extra costs 499.

Re:before people complain (1)

VJ42 (860241) | about 8 years ago | (#16104750)

Total $600, the same price as the PS3 with nothing extra.
Execpt those three games, and VC points (i.e a couple of retro games), and 4 or 5 more controllers than the PS3. Do you really consider that nothing? Or have I missed some subtle sarcasm?

Re:before people complain (1, Funny)

Thansal (999464) | about 8 years ago | (#16104767)

.....

had your coffe this morning?

Wii + toys = $600 = "PS3 with nothing extra" = JUST the PS3

Re:before people complain (1)

VJ42 (860241) | about 8 years ago | (#16104867)

This morning? I'm in the UK, it's 4:30 in the afternoon here, but yes; I am caffene deprived at the moment.

Re:before people complain (1)

CokeBear (16811) | about 8 years ago | (#16104843)

I think what he meant was:

Total $600, the same price as the (PS3 with nothing extra)

Re:before people complain (1)

VJ42 (860241) | about 8 years ago | (#16104932)

Fair enough, he could have been clearer, but I'm due my afternoon coffee as well ;p

Re:before people complain (1)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | about 8 years ago | (#16104895)

You mean something like the PS3 list? http://www.brittlefish.com/2006/07/07/ps3-or/ [brittlefish.com] It is based on estimates, but they estimated the Wii launch price to be $250 so they're good estimates

Re:before people complain (2, Informative)

Lectoid (891115) | about 8 years ago | (#16104432)

Another way to look at the $250 price. The extra 50 dollars is a lifetime of free "Live" service for the Wii, instead of just a year. Oh, and the North America part of www.wii.com is up now.

Re:before people complain (0, Redundant)

Thansal (999464) | about 8 years ago | (#16104611)

ignoring tax

$250 = Wii + Wii Sports + Controller (And nunchuk I assume, though I have not seen anything yet)
$60 = controller+Nunchuk #2
$240 = 4 games (assuming 3rd party keeps the $60 price point)

then $50 to spend on a classic controller (don't know price) and VC games, that gives you $600 for a PS3 (with no games)

Re:before people complain (1)

wilgibson (933961) | about 8 years ago | (#16104473)

Heck yea I can't wait. Espcially with all the games that are going to be in Wii Sports: Baseball, Tennis, Boxing, Bowling, Golf. That should be pretty fun right there!
 
A little bummebed though that MP3 is not a launch title :(

Re:before people complain (3, Funny)

Alzheimers (467217) | about 8 years ago | (#16104740)

A little bummebed though that MP3 is not a launch title :(

Yeah...but it'll be nothing compared to the wait for OGG...

(ducks)

Re:before people complain (1)

amliebsch (724858) | about 8 years ago | (#16104971)

Wii Sports: Baseball, Tennis, Boxing, Bowling, Golf.

Brings back memories of the "Pong Sports" cart included with the Atari 2600.

Re:before people complain (2, Interesting)

gabebear (251933) | about 8 years ago | (#16104668)

I think the $250 is the right price. If it was priced under $200 it wouldn't seem next-gen at all, but looking at the specs they couldn't charge much more than $200 with a straight face. Bundling a game makes the Wii seem like a good value when it's sitting next to the still more expensive yet stupidly stripped down 360 core and $500 PS3. If your kid decides he wants a 360 you have a minimum of $450(premium + game) and I doubt many parents will even have the option to pick up a PS3.

Personally I don't see what the big fuss about a $100 difference between the 360 and PS3 is all about, and I don't think the buying public will think it's a big deal either. The 360 and PS3 are both in the "damn pricey for a toy" category, while the Wii falls into the "pricey for a toy" category. If you already have a HD TV I think the $600 PS3 looks like a deal since you can use it to watch HD movies.

Re:before people complain (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | about 8 years ago | (#16105192)

I don't understand why people consider the 360 core to be so weak. Comparing the two versions, yes the $400 model is a lot better.... but compared to the Wii they're pretty evenly matched.... point to the Wii for it's controller but point to the 360 for delivering better graphics.

The Wii doesn't include any of the accessories included with the Premium 360 so why compare it to that? The only things the 360 looses without the hard drive is Backward compatibility and the the ability to download things that don't fit on the memory unit (which is pretty much just game demos and some game trailers). Xbox Live is still there, Xbox Live arcade games are still there, all the media functions are still there. It's just missing accessories that the Wii doesn't come with itself.

The idea that the Core is somehow "stupidly stripped down" because it doesn't have Backward Compatibility is just ridiculous.

Roping non-gamers in (5, Insightful)

Hitto (913085) | about 8 years ago | (#16104404)

So with the weather channel, news channel, internet browser and picture viewer/editor, Nintendo's goal is to rope totally-non-geeky people to buy something that does what a PC does better, but that's easy to use and affordable. Then, if mom of grampa wants to try out a game, it's just a click away.

Can't say how it will turn out as my crystal ball is at the dry cleaner's, but I think this could work. I mean, I don't live in a very tech-literate country (france), but I know more than a few people who'd want to give the "digital lifestyle" a try. And yeah, I know peter moore coined that term first.

As a casual gamer, I can't say I care about those addons. Hey, it's free, and it could be good, but it also means some people were out coding this instead of a mario game. But it's an interesting strategy nonetheless.

Re:Roping non-gamers in (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | about 8 years ago | (#16104521)

I found the list of those features interesting as well. A lot of them are things offered on modified Xbox consoles that a whole lot of people complained were included with the Xbox 360.

My biggest concern is resolution. Weather is ok but viewing text news and web browsing on a TV in 720x480 (or worse: interlaced 640x480) probably wont be a very pleasant experience for the eyes. I completely agree with Nintendo's reasons for not supporting HD resolutions but without HD text is either impossible to read or so large that you panning all over the place.

Song of Zonk (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16104655)

Sometimes I cry
While I masturbate
While up late

Sometimes I cry
While I masturbate
While up late

Everything so beautiful
Beautiful
I start to cry
Tears in my eyes

Re:Roping non-gamers in (2, Interesting)

digidave (259925) | about 8 years ago | (#16105341)

I gave my mom an old computer with Ubuntu Linux on it as her first ever computer. She browses the web a little bit and uses email a lot. A Wii might be a perfect replacement when that computer dies.

Re:Roping non-gamers in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16105400)

As a casual gamer, I can't say I care about those addons. Hey, it's free, and it could be good, but it also means some people were out coding this instead of a mario game. But it's an interesting strategy nonetheless.

I think it's a brilliant strategy.

They're doing what Microsoft has been trying to do for years: taking over the living room.

Months Of Wii Hype Go Up In Flames (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16104413)

The backlash to the 250 dollar price-point for the Wii in the US is amazing. The talk of Nintendo's 170-200 dollars system revolutionizing console gaming has turned to console gamers turning their noses up at rebuying five year old technology with a pointer bolted on.

It's like the console landscape transformed overnight.

I don't think there would have been as much of a negative reaction if Nintendo had more interesting games to show, but so far they have an awful lot of standard console games that have been slightly tweaked to use the Wii controller.

Re:Months Of Wii Hype Go Up In Flames (3, Insightful)

docdude316 (836485) | about 8 years ago | (#16104576)

What backlash? Could you give us some examples of this backlash you are talking about. As far as I, and a lot of other people are concerned, this is a good price. You get the Wii onec controller and a game for half the price of the base PS3. Ad on another controller+numchuck and 4 more games and you're still only equalling the price of the base PS3. The only way I could see this backfiring is if Micrsoft announces a 360 price drop, but I son't see that happen. They may put out a holiday bundle but I don't see a price drop coming any time soon.

Re:Months Of Wii Hype Go Up In Flames (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16104632)

"What backlash?"

You obviously aren't reading console sites if you aren't aware of the massive backlashing going on all over the Net at this very moment. Almost everyone was expecting a price in the 150 to 200 dollar range

"backfiring is if Micrsoft announces a 360 price drop"

Microsoft isn't relevant to the next gen battle. The 360 is dead in Japan, and barely alive in Europe, and selling worse than the first Xbox in the US.

The next gen race is between Nintendo and Sony. Both will certainly sellout through the holidays, but this pricing blunder and the huge negative reaction from Nintendo fans is a serious problem for the Wii.

Re:Months Of Wii Hype Go Up In Flames (1)

timster (32400) | about 8 years ago | (#16104718)

Massive backlashing on the NET? OMFG!!! We'd better call the army in to defend Nintendo headquarters!

Almost everyone was expecting a price in the 150 to 200 dollar range

Everyone stupid, maybe. Besides, not too many people were expecting a pack-in game.

The way this reads in the real world is on the top-left corner of USA Today's front page this morning. "Wii to launch at $250, half the price of the cheapest PS3."

Re:Months Of Wii Hype Go Up In Flames (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | about 8 years ago | (#16105246)

I thought we were expecting $200 to $250? With a pack-in game $250's plenty reasonable. I want a Wii for $5, too, but I'm not all huffy that they actually want to make money.

The next gen race is between Nintendo and Sony. Both will certainly sellout through the holidays, but this pricing blunder and the huge negative reaction from Nintendo fans is a serious problem for the Wii.
Hahahaha! The Wii is half the price of the PS3. Any lower and I'm not sure if people would consider it a contender. The Wii is not the one that is overpriced.

Re:Months Of Wii Hype Go Up In Flames (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | about 8 years ago | (#16105269)

Well, I fucked that post up. Remind me to use that damned preview button.

You obviously aren't reading console sites if you aren't aware of the massive backlashing going on all over the Net at this very moment. Almost everyone was expecting a price in the 150 to 200 dollar range
I thought we were expecting $200 to $250? With a pack-in game $250's plenty reasonable. I want a Wii for $5, too, but I'm not all huffy that they actually want to make money.

The next gen race is between Nintendo and Sony. Both will certainly sellout through the holidays, but this pricing blunder and the huge negative reaction from Nintendo fans is a serious problem for the Wii.
Hahahaha! The Wii is half the price of the PS3. Any lower and I'm not sure if people would consider it a contender. The Wii is not the one that is overpriced.

I couldn't resist (1)

jizziknight (976750) | about 8 years ago | (#16105418)

Remind me to use that damned preview button.
Use the damned preview button.

Re:Months Of Wii Hype Go Up In Flames (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 8 years ago | (#16104961)

"I don't think there would have been as much of a negative reaction if Nintendo had more interesting games to show, but so far they have an awful lot of standard console games that have been slightly tweaked to use the Wii controller."

Lots of games using lots of ways to use the controller. Lots of ways for you to know this already. Zero ways to take your post seriously.

excited (1)

syrinx (106469) | about 8 years ago | (#16104415)

I'm pretty excited. Don't think I'll get one right at launch, but I'd be surprised if I don't have one by the end of the year. I've never bought a regular console, I've generally always been a PC gamer (though I did have the original Gameboy), but I think I am convinced. $199 would have been great, but $250 is still ok.

viva la wii.

Re:excited (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | about 8 years ago | (#16104437)

I have the NES, SNES and 64 but skipped over the Gamecube since PS2, Xbox, and 360 have in the meantime been more worthwhile. I sure do hope they deliver as it seems it could, i really wanna use that remote in a Oblivion style hack and slasher asap!

Re:excited (1)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | about 8 years ago | (#16104857)

I'm a little worried by a part of this article. Perhaps I'm just not understanding it correctly. They say:

Q: How much are additional remotes?
A: The Wiimote has a MSRP of $39.99 and the nunchuk has an MSRP of $19.99 -- they are sold separately.

So does that mean the controllers that come with the Wii AREN'T the Wiimote? So if you want to get a couple of those its going to basically cost $300?

Re:excited (1)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | about 8 years ago | (#16104910)

OK sorry to respond to myself but another link says:

9:29 am: But what's in the box? One Wii remote, one nunchuk both included. Don't forget about Wii Sports, the first pack-in game at launch since the SNES. Speaking of which, we're now seeing a demo of bowling, one of the games included in Wii Sports.

So I guess it does come with them? I guess this confusing info is what I get for reading information this early right after the announcement ;-)

Re:excited (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | about 8 years ago | (#16104946)

Even still you're buying the controller in halves with a price of $60 for the whole.... Did they even mention if the packed in Wiimote was the wired or the wireless version? (I hope for the sake of the price tag that $40 Wii-mote is wireless)

Re:excited (3, Informative)

MindStalker (22827) | about 8 years ago | (#16105146)

There is no "Wired" version of the Wiimote. The Wiimote always has the OPTION of being wired incase of signal problems or there being a lot of wiimotes in the same room (as was the case at the game conferences).

Re:excited (1)

Gulthek (12570) | about 8 years ago | (#16105177)

There is no wired wiimote.

The wiimote is usable without the nunchuk attachment (not all games use it).

You seem to be easily confused.

Re:excited (1)

Kemanorel (127835) | about 8 years ago | (#16105229)

I haven't heard of any wired version of the Wiimote. Care to source that?

Everything I've heard is that the only wire is for the nunchunk or if you plug in a GameCube controller.

Re:excited (1)

amliebsch (724858) | about 8 years ago | (#16105013)

No, the Wii packs in a Wiimote and a nunchuck. The answer is saying, however, that additional ones are sold as separate units - i.e., the Wiimote does not come with the nunchuck, and vice-versa.

Re:excited (1)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | about 8 years ago | (#16105359)

Ahhh! Reading it that way makes it all make WAY more sense ;-) Thx!

$250 isn't for everyone (1)

sirket (60694) | about 8 years ago | (#16104930)

The $250 price point rules out a Wii for me. I don't actually need a console and for whatever reason $200 was my limit for buying this one. It seems a shame too- I hate sports games and so both Sports and the nunchuck seem wasted on me. Get rid of them and let me buy Zelda instead for the same $250 and I would have bought one as soon as I could get my hands on it. I'm not even talking about dropping the price- get rid of the crap I (and I'm sure many others) don't want.

-sirket

Re:$250 isn't for everyone (1)

timster (32400) | about 8 years ago | (#16105049)

You'd need the nunchuck for Zelda.

Wii Sports doesn't cost anything to make, so it probably doesn't affect the price.

This is the launch price, but if you wait a while they'll probably drop to $200.

Re:$250 isn't for everyone (1)

sirket (60694) | about 8 years ago | (#16105117)

I'd think it would be playable without the nunchuck- I'd rather not be swinging around a controller when I can just press buttons. Hell if it isn't playable without the nunchuck then I don't have to get a Wii at all- yay! :)

-sirket

Re:$250 isn't for everyone (1)

timster (32400) | about 8 years ago | (#16105267)

If you're opposed to swinging a controller around, the Wii is probably the wrong console for you, yes. If you watch videos of Wii games they are all very heavy on the controller-swinging. Zelda is unlikely to be any different, and all the demos shown have used the nunchuck's analog stick for movement. The Wiimote itself doesn't have an analog stick and the motion sensing probably doesn't make a good control for character movement.

If you look at the DS, there are some games that don't use the touchscreen and some games that don't require it, but many major titles require touchscreen use and offer no alternative. The Wii is going to be the same way, so don't expect to be able to escape the motion control.

What! The Japanese! in NYC! (-1, Flamebait)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | about 8 years ago | (#16104416)

OH NOES! They're back Pearl Harbor style!

Why the 19th? (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | about 8 years ago | (#16104452)

Why did they choose to launch is so briefly after the PS3? They're basically ceding copycat Sony the honor of "first console with a motion sensing controller as a standard feature". (other than the one you know about that no one's heard of, of course) Did they really need an extra week or so to get their act together? I doubt it.

Re:Why the 19th? (1)

ScislaC (827506) | about 8 years ago | (#16104517)

My guess on this is to capture all of the people jaded by not getting a PS3 two days earlier... then again, that's pure speculation. :)

Re:Why the 19th? (2, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | about 8 years ago | (#16105011)

Don't worry. Considering how few PS3's will actually ship, you won't be seeing one on a store shelf until well into next year. You'll have to go to ebay to see one.

-Eric

Mii (4, Funny)

Alzheimers (467217) | about 8 years ago | (#16104474)

Capitalizing on just how hip irony is, they create a virtual version of Samuel L. Jackson. After character creation, you can transfer your "Mii" to your Wii-remote, so that you can take them with you wherever you go.

Can Snakes on a Wii be one step closer to a reality?

Re:Mii (1)

jizziknight (976750) | about 8 years ago | (#16104528)

I'm tired of these mutha fuckin' snakes on my mutha fuckin' Wii!

Re:Mii (1)

cronofrek (990399) | about 8 years ago | (#16104557)

If you watched the movie, you know that's already been done. (yeah I know, another bad pun...)

Pack ins (2, Insightful)

slim (1652) | about 8 years ago | (#16104563)

The pack-in analysis is kinda interesting.

If they enjoy Wii and Wii Sports for a few weeks, and then allow it to gather dust, like so many other toys, the company's gambit will have failed, and it will need to fight it out as an also-ran third place player.

Well, it's a risk I guess. But I imagine that anyone vaguely social who bought the basic Wii package on its own, would be out buying one or more extra controllers very shortly thereafter. It looks like a game that cries out to be played multiplayer. ... and once you're in a buying pattern...

Re:Pack ins (2, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | about 8 years ago | (#16105105)

The general mindset of owning a game console is that you'll end up buying more games for it in the future. Nobody who's buying a Wii for games is going to somehow forget that there are more games than the one that shipped in the Wii box. If they enjoy Wii and Wii Sports for a few weeks, doesn't that create a greater chance that they'll go buy some extra games than if they had never bought a Wii to begin with?

I don't understand what the problem is. If someone goes to buy one and doesn't purchase another game because of the pack-in, what has been lost? A single game sale? I don't think anyone is going to show up at the store looking to buy a console and 5 games and then decide to skip the games because the system comes with one disc.

And at least for Nintendo, even if you buy the Wii and never even look at another game for it, they won't have lost money on that inital console sale.

What?!? (4, Insightful)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | about 8 years ago | (#16104568)

A weather channel? Displaying digital photos? Opera browser?

This stuff is great. Seriously. I like that they are doing this.

However. I never, EVER want to hear from the Nintendo fanboys about how their favourite console eschews all the 'useless bells and whistles' to focus with laserlike intensity on pure gameplay.

Obviously not. They are as eager to pack on the feature-creep as Sony and MS.

(and to reiterate - i like these features, and I have defended Sony and MS for them. Just stating the common N-fan counterargument is that it was all extra fluff that distracted from the point of the thing.)

Re:What?!? (4, Interesting)

twistedsymphony (956982) | about 8 years ago | (#16104671)

I think the difference is when the feature boost the cost of the console. Nintendo can add things like weather and browsing without boosting the consoles price... Blu-Ray is costing Playstation fans a boatload weather they like it or not.

Re:What?!? (2, Insightful)

ElleyKitten (715519) | about 8 years ago | (#16104862)

However. I never, EVER want to hear from the Nintendo fanboys about how their favourite console eschews all the 'useless bells and whistles' to focus with laserlike intensity on pure gameplay. Obviously not. They are as eager to pack on the feature-creep as Sony and MS.
Well, this Nintendo fangirl is grumbling. Happy now?

Ok, I'm not terribly upset about it, but these things seem kinda useless to me. I (and probably many people who are buying Wiis instead the higher-end consoles) have a cheap TV so I doubt I'll be able to see the internet in any functional form on it. Plus, lack of keyboard can't be fun. Weather Channel? Don't most people get that with cable anyways? Photo display? Whatever, I have a computer. I hope some people enjoy these features, but I think Nintendo should have spent their time doing somethign else.

Re:What?!? (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | about 8 years ago | (#16104924)

Well, this Nintendo fangirl is grumbling. Happy now?

Um, no. I'm not really looking to piss off Nintendo users.

Ok, I'm not terribly upset about it, but these things seem kinda useless to me. I (and probably many people who are buying Wiis instead the higher-end consoles) have a cheap TV so I doubt I'll be able to see the internet in any functional form on it. Plus, lack of keyboard can't be fun. Weather Channel? Don't most people get that with cable anyways? Photo display? Whatever, I have a computer. I hope some people enjoy these features, but I think Nintendo should have spent their time doing somethign else.

Well think of it this way: its totally optional. I kind of picture this functionality as being vaguely Mac OS X/Dashboard-like in execution. That would be alright, a little customizeable 'desktop' that maybe you look at when you turn it on, before the game loads or whatever. But your point is well-taken; there will be N fans who are not pleased that N is even spending any time at all on these frills.

Re:What?!? (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | about 8 years ago | (#16104997)

Um, no. I'm not really looking to piss off Nintendo users.
I was teasing. Sorry if I didn't use the right emoticons or something. :-0

Well think of it this way: its totally optional. I kind of picture this functionality as being vaguely Mac OS X/Dashboard-like in execution. That would be alright, a little customizeable 'desktop' that maybe you look at when you turn it on, before the game loads or whatever. But your point is well-taken; there will be N fans who are not pleased that N is even spending any time at all on these frills.
It's not that big of a deal to me. It was just, since you asked...

Re:What?!? (1)

anti-human 1 (911677) | about 8 years ago | (#16105271)

If I want the sleek functionality of Mac OS X on my Wii, I'll walk the --7 feet-- from my sofa to my desk. :P

Besides, We'll (Wii'll?) never see Marathon or Escape Velocity on the Virtual Console :P Nyah.

Wait a second... maybe i'll just move my desk into the viewing range of the TV.... bwahaha. Think the wife would notice?

Re:What?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16105213)

Why do you need to mention you are a girl? If you need attention you might aswell add links to some of your pictures.

Re:What?!? (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | about 8 years ago | (#16105310)

Why do you need to mention you are a girl? If you need attention you might aswell add links to some of your pictures.
I'll remember to refer to myself as a "fanperson" from now on. Wouldn't want people to catch onto my big secret now.

wii.com updated (3, Informative)

oscartheduck (866357) | about 8 years ago | (#16104578)

Just to make sure everyone noticed, wii.com [wii.com] just updated to English too.

Never noticed it before, but it's a brilliant idea (1)

Alzheimers (467217) | about 8 years ago | (#16104818)

A Wrist-strap for the Wiimote [wii.com]

I was just watching the video, wondering how many of these things were going to get broken when the removal of centripital forces from your hand allows the device to go flying towards the TV. Now I feel much safer.

To quote Mel: Swing Away!

Re:Never noticed it before, but it's a brilliant i (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | about 8 years ago | (#16104981)

I wonder if we'll get weary of wearing our wiimotes wrapped around our wrists here in Wyoming? What a waste.

-Eric

Re:wii.com updated (1)

RovingSlug (26517) | about 8 years ago | (#16105360)

Watching the videos, I'm concerned about the significant jitter in the display of the Wii pointer. Assuming the videos on Wii.com show the pointer at its best, I'm afraid of how good/bad the common case is going to be.

still supprised at the $250 price tag. (3, Interesting)

giblfiz (125533) | about 8 years ago | (#16104602)

I honestly think that if Nintendo had released at a $200 price tag they would have simply covered every gamer out there, as well as the broader audience that they are shooting for. At $250 its so easy to say "well... I could drop an extra $50 and buy a xbox 360 core system" (even though its a striped down hunk of junk compared to its real older brother)

So the thing I'm curious about is if they are trying to do this in order to make bank on the release. (Nintendo always tries to turn a profit on the console as well as the games. What an insane business model) and then once the period where they sell out instantly every time a shipment comes in is over they will drop the price, hopefully causing another huge wave of adoption.

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (1)

plaisted (449711) | about 8 years ago | (#16104741)

Well it does come with a game. So instead of $200 for the console, and $50 for the game, you spend $250 for the console plus the game, which is pretty much the same thing except you're stuck with Wii sports, when the game you really want is Zelda. Still, it seems like a smart move for them.

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (3, Insightful)

hal2814 (725639) | about 8 years ago | (#16104808)

"you're stuck with Wii sports, when the game you really want is Zelda. Still, it seems like a smart move for them."

Smart move indeed. It looks like Nintedno is going to indoctrinate you into using their controllers whether you like it or not. Sure you may want Zelda but Nintendo wants to show off the controller. Wii sports gives you the opportunity to use the controller in a variety of different ways on familiar subjects. You may not be an avid player of any of the sports games Wii offers but you've at least seen them enough to know how they should be played. By the time Wii Sports gets played to death by someone, they will be quite proficient at the use of the Wii controller in general.

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (1)

flooey (695860) | about 8 years ago | (#16104830)

So instead of $200 for the console, and $50 for the game, you spend $250 for the console plus the game, which is pretty much the same thing except you're stuck with Wii sports, when the game you really want is Zelda.

On the other hand, Wii Sports is likely to show off the new features of the console (motion sensing-based gameplay, Miis, etc) better than Zelda, so forcing everyone to purchase Wii Sports may be a smart move on their part.

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (1)

slim (1652) | about 8 years ago | (#16104838)

you're stuck with Wii sports, when the game you really want is Zelda.

I think Nintendo would like everyone to play with the full range of Wiimote features early on. It looks as if Zelda will mostly use a more traditional control method (with some tacked on stuff for the Wiimote).

Since the Wiimote is the one big thing that distinguishes Wii from Gamecube (3x performance increase isn't that big a deal; nor is slighly better graphics), you'll be a happier consumer if you get to use it right away, right?

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (2, Interesting)

grumbel (592662) | about 8 years ago | (#16104880)

Wii Sports doesn't really look worth $50, especially not since they are only shipping one Wiimote with the sytem and Wii Sports seems to be pretty much like a game where you need multiplayer to get any fun out of it. It gets even worth when one actually looks at the price tag for a second Wiimote, which is $40 + an extra $20 for Nunchuk. If you factor in another pair of classic controllers, which you might also need sooner or later you are at a price for which you could get a XBox360 Core and a second wireless controller. Wii really doesn't look cheap any more, its actually the most expensive Nintendo console in history (ignoring inflation).

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (1)

dolson (634094) | about 8 years ago | (#16104845)

Most bundle packages cost extra. The Wii will likely come in a package without the game, just not at launch. And probably it'll be $200 when it does come out.

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (1)

ArmyOfFun (652320) | about 8 years ago | (#16104846)

I'm also pretty surprised at it. There is a mental jump from $199 to $249, even if the material difference is fairly small.

$250 is still a good deal given the second controller I would've bought anyway and a game I probably would've got anyway.

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (1)

grumbel (592662) | about 8 years ago | (#16104925)

$250 is still a good deal given the second controller

Which second controller? According to Gamespot the Wii will come with only one controller, second controller cost $40 + another extra $20 for Nunchuk.

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | about 8 years ago | (#16104865)

...even though its a striped down hunk of junk compared to its real older brother
The core system really isn't that bad at all. There are 4 accessories that make up the difference between the core and premium versions 1. the hard drive, 2. the headset for voice chat, 3. the HD video cables, and 4. a wireless controller instead of wired.

Considering the Wii 1. has no hard drive, 2. has no headset, 3. has no HD video cables, and 4. may or may not ship with a wireless wii-mote. I'd say the Core version could be VERY appealing to would be Wii buyers. Even without the HDD on the core you can still play on Xbox Live, Download Xbox Live Arcade Games, use all the media features ect. Basically the only thing you loose is Backward Compatibility (since ever Xbox 1 game was built around the permanent Xbox 1 hard drive) and you can't download things that wont fit on a Memory Unit (and they make them in 64MB and 256MB sizes) Which really only excludes game demos and videos, since all XBLA games are required to be less then 50MB and most are far far smaller then that. Not to mention you can still pickup those game demos and videos from places like the official Xbox magazine disc.

If MS drops the Core price by $50 the console is by no means crippled when compared to the Wii and would make for a serious competitor.

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (1)

timster (32400) | about 8 years ago | (#16105126)

There is no wired Wiimote. The Wiimote has been wireless only from day one. Nobody has ever even suggested that a wired Wiimote would even exist.

Also, the Wii comes with wireless networking built-in. I don't think that's true of the XBox 360 Core. And don't forget that the Wii has backwards-compatibility which XBox Core does not.

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | about 8 years ago | (#16105168)

Considering the Wii 1. has no hard drive, 2. has no headset, 3. has no HD video cables, and 4. may or may not ship with a wireless wii-mote. I'd say the Core version could be VERY appealing to would be Wii buyers.
I thought the wiimote was only going to be wireless (except for some early demos). Would be rather awkward with a wire, but I could be wrong.

Anyways, I don't think those things matter to most Wii buyers. The Wii is pushed at casual gamers, and those who like to play silly fun multiplayer games (warioware vs. halo), and those who don't have HDTV. The graphics fiends have already declared the Wii underpowered and have dismissed it, but the Wii is being marketed to people, like me, who have a regular old TV and can't see the difference between DOA4 on 360 and DOA2 on XBox. The Wii has games grandma might like, but Halo fanboy isn't going to touch. They're really going for two different markets here, so I don't see a lot of otherwise Wii buyers going for a 360 because they dropped the price down $50.

Wrong Assumption (1)

brunes69 (86786) | about 8 years ago | (#16104947)

You're for some reason working under the assumption that people think the 360 is better to begin with.

I wouldn't pay for a 360 *even if it was the same price* as the Wii.

I have been holding out specifically for the Wii. The Wii looked totally revolutionary from the beginning, and is just getting better and better. Nintendo seems way ahead of MS in creating a media portal with the Wii - the 360 has no free browser, weather listings, news service, photo editor, etc. All these features,along with the media player capabilities, make the Wii a good buy even if you don't plan to ever play a game in your life! In comparison, the media extender for the 360 costs money, and there is no browser at all.

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16104982)

So the thing I'm curious about is if they are trying to do this in order to make bank on the release. (Nintendo always tries to turn a profit on the console as well as the games. What an insane business model) and then once the period where they sell out instantly every time a shipment comes in is over they will drop the price, hopefully causing another huge wave of adoption.

I would actually (personally) suspect that the Wii is a more advanced system then we have been lead to believe; I'm not saying it is in a simlar range to the 360 or PS3 but that (from what I have heard) it is a much more powerful system (in a much smaller case) than the Gamecube. In general, I have heard (from people I trust to know this) that most games built from the ground up on the Wii are using about twice the polygonal detail per object, with twice as many objects on screen and about four times the resolution on each texture; I have also heard that the built in lighting effects are far more advanced than anything that was avaiable on the Gamecube.

Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (1)

Dionysos Taltos (980090) | about 8 years ago | (#16105244)

"well... I could drop an extra $50 and buy a xbox 360 core system" (even though its a striped down hunk of junk compared to its real older brother)
But isn't that the point? People already know the core system for an extra $50 is junk because it's been out for several months. I think the Wii is going to have a huge initial sale because people, quite frankly people like me, have been waiting for it instead of shelling out $300 for junk.

Seeming Ease of Use (2, Insightful)

LittleFishSan (1002484) | about 8 years ago | (#16104737)

I forsee myself as being the exact demographic that Nintendo wants. People that don't have the time to play lots and lots of games, but still need something to distract them every now and then. People like me (Or at least me, I can't speak for others) don't necessarly want to spend a load of money on something that HAS to be cutting edge to find a nice distraction from studying, work, etc. But rather something that provides a nice distraction, is fun to play and isn't overly complex (Unless I want it to be, like an RPG or something). I bought a DS and I love it. Yesterday during a study break I played Electroplankton (More or less a musical toy than a game), and for about 15 minutes I put on my headphones and I was in a nice fun little zone of happy. It was fun, and after the 15 minutes were up I went back to studying. I could have played it longer if I wanted, but I chose not to, and in a little dose like that I was perfectly happy. Will the Wii take a similar approach? I realize that the success of the DS doesn't mean the Wii will be successful, but if Nintendo can provide people like me with a nice little distraction that refreshes me, then I think I know where I'll be spending my money. (And if I don't buy a Wii, there are lots of old PS2 games I never played, and they are going into the bargin bin once the new consoles roll around). Either way, I will find myself a distraction. If Nintendo does things right (And I test a Wii), they'll have me too.

The suprising news though is.... (3, Interesting)

kinglink (195330) | about 8 years ago | (#16104751)

US will get the Wii November 19th.

Japan will get it December 2nd.

Now figure that one out.

Re:The suprising news though is.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16104779)

DS launched Nov 21, 2004 in the US and Dec 2 in Japan.

Re:The suprising news though is.... (1)

greebowarrior (961561) | about 8 years ago | (#16104781)

Whatever next? European release on November 4th?

BTW, has anyone else noticed that November 19th is a Sunday?...

I may be cynical (1)

Don_dumb (927108) | about 8 years ago | (#16105106)

Whatever next? European release on November 4th?
I wont hold my breath, I really want the Wii, but I reckon it wont be out here (the UK) until long after I have stopped really wanting it, and it will be the usual "lets screw the UK" 1 dollar for 1 pound conversion.

Re:The suprising news though is.... (2, Insightful)

actor_au (562694) | about 8 years ago | (#16104959)

The Christmas market isn't as important in Japan as it is in more Christian Western nations? That would be my guess. I think new years is a big deal in Japan so a slightly later release date still gives time for Japanese Consumers to get a Wii for their children.

Wii Weather (1)

lpangelrob (714473) | about 8 years ago | (#16104759)

Interesting feature. Al Roker would be proud.

If it's anything more than a glorifed version of the Weather Channel webpage (and closer to the real weather webpage [weather.gov] , complete with other [noaa.gov] departments [noaa.gov] ), I'll be impressed and probably use it. Otherwise it's probably just a feature I won't use.

What should it be compared to? (4, Interesting)

decadre (980513) | about 8 years ago | (#16104768)

I notice that a lot of people seem to compare the Wii's price to that of the PS3... Yes the PS3 is *very* expensive, but the x-box 360 core isn't much more than the Wii..

The core you say? But thats crap, it's missing so much! It depends, if you compare it to the Wii (games aside), the controller is (more or less) all that the 360 doesn't have (this is of course a big lacking), on the other hand the 360 has pretty impressive horse power (games like dead rising show how horse power when properly applied can be more than just nice graphics, getting all of those zombies on one screen requires some oomph).

So is the price really that amazing? The Wii is nothing special hardware wise, sure Nintendo is taking a profit, good for them, and MS makes a loss on the 360, but what does the consumer care? All they see is $250 vs $300...

Now what about the controllers? You have to buy the parts *seperate?*... Being in australia that $20 and $40 will probably be a sales price of $95 AUD total... That is almost twice what we were paying for game cube controllers.. How can you justify that? Sure the controllers are innovative, but then again as mentioned the 360 is powerful, loss or profit aside, the public sees the price. Really tho, just how much can it cost to make a controller?..

As a small credentials check, I have owned just about every nintendo platform there is (virtual boy aside...), so I definately don't want to bash them, but really, as someone who is approaching the Wii from a gamers perspective, I have to wonder if it is all it is really cracked up to be. $250 is cheap for this generation, but it is still a lot of money, the game cube launched for $200, 5 years ago (to yesterday), and the Wii's hardware isnt *that* far ahead of it, I would have thought that it could all be manufactured for much less.. Well, I am sure it is, but Nintendo really is being a little greedy here ...

As a final note, maybe its worth it, as in one of their major markets (japan), and hell, in europe, they really are only competing against the PS3 unless some major things change with the 360. Being in a country with US like tastes (finding game cube games here in australia is hard, EB is about all that stock them these days), it is frustrating...

Re:What should it be compared to? (2, Insightful)

MindStalker (22827) | about 8 years ago | (#16105265)

Well on a slightly different note, it seems that the games that use the nunchuck seem to be the types of games you would play singleplayer. The multiplayer/party games seem to be wiimote only. So you could get away with just buying one extra wiimote, and wait on the extra nunchuck till you need it.

Maybe thats just me.

No sugar coating = respect from me (2, Interesting)

spyrochaete (707033) | about 8 years ago | (#16104863)

Q: How many games will support Widescreen aspect ratio and how would you compare the visuals to other next-gen systems?
A: Most titles will support widescreen. Nintendo has a different paradigm for what turns on the consumer. "If you want power, you're going to go somewhere else."


How many other companies would be as forthright as this? Nintendo friggin rocks. As I was playing Monkey Island 2 with SCUMMVM last night I realized how little cutting-edge graphics matter in the construction of an outstanding game. I haven't been this excited about a console since the SNES. I'm getting in on the ground floor with an extra wiimote and Warioware.

I want to clarify a couple of things (5, Interesting)

Frag-A-Muffin (5490) | about 8 years ago | (#16104916)

Cuz the kotaku thread got out of hand. Too many clueless people. Here's my take on the launch:

1) The date. Everyone was hoping for an early release (me included!) but I'm assuming the business strategy is to go after the poor schmucks that won't be able to get a PS3. The PS3 launches only 2 days before it, and there will be VERY few of them. (Half of which will be bought up by people only to be put up on ebay :\ ) What they also do is avoid being over-shadowed by the PS3 launch (say if they were to launch a few days before the PS3).

2) a) Pricing. They said it would be under $250. When companies say that, it'll probably be $249.99. Which it basically is :) I'm sure they contemplated $199, $229, but decided for launch, they could probably get people to pay $249, but they'll also include a game. That's a business decision, which for the most part makes sense. It'll probably sell out at launch anyhow.

2) b) For those of you saying "$250? Pshaw, XBOX 360 Core is only $300. People will think it's only $50 more and buy a 360". Right, let's compare a 360 Core system that comes with nothing. To a system that comes with a game, and ahem .. wifi. Take a look at the cost of the wifi adapter for the 360. Now let's do some stupid math (as people generally like to do when comparing apples to oranges) and deduct the cost of a 360 wifi adapter ($100+!) from the Wii. That makes the Wii console $150. Wait, it still comes with a game. The game won't be full priced (as confirmed by the Japanese press conference last night). So say $25 for the game. That brings the console down to $125. Less than half the price of the 360?! See, I can do stupid math too! :) My point is, $250 pricing should have been expected, and I myself was predicting $249 with 2 controllers and Wii Sports. I Was close. The price is fine. It's still $50 cheaper and comes with a game. THAT'S what non-gamers will see. ("Wow, this system is newer AND it's cheaper AND it comes with a game!")

Re:I want to clarify a couple of things (1)

rherbert (565206) | about 8 years ago | (#16105351)

It's only including one controller, though, right? And it kind of sucks that the controllers are $40 each, not including the nunchuck attachment.

Which means that I'll need to pay $250 for the console + $120 to get 3 extra controllers + $20 to get an extra nunchuck = $390, and then probably an extra $40 later when more complicated 4 player games start requiring them. (I'm assuming Wii Sports doesn't require the nunchuck, but I could be wrong...)

Pricing summary for the lazy: (3, Informative)

oneiros27 (46144) | about 8 years ago | (#16104948)

Of the multitude of links, there wasn't one to Next Gen's summary [next-gen.biz] . Here's a further condensed report:

$250 : main system, 1 Wii-mote, 1 nunchucks, Wii Sports

$40 : extra Wii-motes
$20 : extra nunchucks

$50 or less : new Nintendo made games (no cap on third-party games)
$5 : downloadable NES games
$8 : downloadable SNES games
$10 : downloadable N64 games
$?? : Opera browser ...

and the gamecube version of Zelda:TS will come out ~3 weeks after the Wii version; Metroid Prime 3, not 'till 2007.

Wii System Interface (3, Insightful)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | about 8 years ago | (#16104968)

For anyone that hasn't yet done it, check out the Nintendo Wii [wii.com] page and watch the demo videos of the system interface. Amazing stuff and surprisingly intuitive. Combined with a decent web browser, this could not only be a killer game console, but could well be that perfect balance between entertainment center and household information hub.

I really want my FRIENDS to buy this (3, Interesting)

GrayCalx (597428) | about 8 years ago | (#16105162)

Hopefully I'm not bashing anyone because obviously its just how i feel. But the Wii is the console I really really want my friends to buy. I want to go over there and I want to sword fight for an hour and then I want to come home and settle into some Dead Rising on my 360... and heres why.

I think the wii-mote is a really cool idea. Similar to ideas in the past, the power-glove, the fishing-rod, the gun. But so much more so and can definitely be used in interesting ways. My apparent (i haven't touched anything yet) problem with it is that when i want to play video games I want to sit down on my couch, put my feet up and unwind. I fear that with the wii-mote you'll be forced to move around! Oh no. What if i just want to sit there but the sword game I'm playing requires me to be all active and crap.

Eh maybe it won't be a problem, but as i said, I really want my friends to get one.

The pack-in (1)

chrisbtoo (41029) | about 8 years ago | (#16105198)

FTF NextGen A:


The in-game bundle is a good marketing ploy, with $250 a great price for this product. The gamble is on the consumer's behavior after the console gets home.


I don't see how this is a gamble. If Nintendo is selling the system at a profit (and I'm sure they will be) then they've made some money. It might only be a couple of bucks, but it's still profit - even if it gets thrown in the trash the moment it gets home.

If you look at the competition's model, they're gambling way more that their customers are going to buy a bunch of games in the future, in order to recoup the loss they're taking on the console.

Wii-Mote is not the end of the world (2, Insightful)

sherriw (794536) | about 8 years ago | (#16105264)

Do people realize that you WILL be able to use a NORMAL controller for the games too? So even if the wiimote stinks, the system will still be a good buy. If the wiimote gets old, or tiring, or even if it doesn't work right... it's not going to be the only control option!

Wii Channels (1)

lpangelrob (714473) | about 8 years ago | (#16105305)

Based off the movies on wii.com [wii.com] , this thing will probably set Japan aflame in numbers similar to the DS and DS Lite. Further comments below...

  • The interface looks relatively easy to navigate, though I wonder how long I can hold that controller out in front of me.
  • The Mii Channel is another step in the development of online personas. Yahoo! Avatars [yahoo.com] , anyone? Regardless of how similar it is, this will definitely draw in the chick clique. Being able to take "yourself" in a remote is a bonus. How Westerners pick it up depends on whether or not they'll respond like they did with The Sims...
  • Wii Weather really does look cool.
  • The News Channel is cool; I wonder if we'll have different sources to pick from.

The centerpiece of the Wii (or, at least, what's being displayed here and touted as a Big Reason to get one) resembles an AOL-TV like Internet portal, but it can play games. I'm not going to expect this thing to be my Firefox replacement or anything.

Launch lineup: [nintendo.com] Strong, good potential. Excite Truck. Ha ha ha... that's excellent. Hopefully I'll be able to make and store a crapton of courses. Wii Sports is more likely than not a bargain at the perceived price of $50, especially if there's more than one course available for Wii Golf. Tying in Miis' skill levels and performance is a good idea. Probably doesn't have advanced features of any of the five games (will Golden Tee for Wii, if it comes out, support the concept of topspin/backspin/natural fade/draw?) but is a good multiplayer title to have regardless.

Wii Media Center? (2, Interesting)

William the Conquere (1002493) | about 8 years ago | (#16105318)

so... I know this is really jumping the gun... BUT how possible do you think using the Wii as a music/video player would be? Couldn't you just stream it through opera from a local apache server or something... and hell they've already said opera will support ajax, maybe you could look pretty doin' it. Just a thought.

power consumption? power consumption? (1)

mary_will_grow (466638) | about 8 years ago | (#16105370)

OK they keep talking about how "We ARE using state of the art technology, but we are applying it to POWER CONSUMPTION instead of SPEED."

Ok, I understand the desire to get out of the more-and-more-and-more-quote-realistic-unquote-gra phics race. I completely do. Suspension of disbelief occurs for me in a game of atari pitfall.

But why am I supposed to care about power consumption of my game console? The only explaination they give for this is that now its possible to leave the Wii on 24/7, opening exciting new possibilities. Whatever on the vague explanation, and double whatever on the 24/7 bit because my gamecube is on right now, and has been since a game of mario tennis friday night.

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