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Rob Levin, lilo of FreeNode, Passes

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the rest-in-peace dept.

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sneak was the first of many to tell us of the death of Rob Levin, known as lilo, the head of FreeNode and of its parent organization, PDPC. A transcript from the channel: ".:17:18:40:. [freenode] -christel(i=christel@freenode/staff/gentoo.christe l)-
[Global Notice] On the 12th September Rob Levin, known to many as Freenode's
lilo, was hit by a car while riding his bike. He suffered head injuries and
passed away in hospital on the 16th. For more information please visit
#freenode-announce
17:19:39==> Topic for #freenode-announce: Together with the PDPC board we are
currently preparing a general announcement, please also feel assured that we will
continue working with PDPC to ensure continuous service on freenode, in line with Rob's
mission."
Richard Hartmann writes, I just wanted to add that we of FreeNode will create a condolence book. All wellwishes can be sent to condolences@freenode.net."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121740)

fp

More Info (5, Informative)

ballermann (124688) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121798)

christel just posted the following in #freenode-announce

christel> Ok, first off, this is not a hoax
christel> Rob was riding his bike on tuesday when he was hit by a car, he has spent the last few days at the neuro trauma ICU at a local hospital
christel> where he has been in a coma
christel> the news reached us this morning that Rob passed away early today
christel> Rob is survived by wife Debbie and son Benjamin
christel> and we ask that you all respect their privacy at this difficult time
christel> Robs funeral is most likely to be monday afternoon, although we have yet to get confirmation as Debs is waiting to hear from the MEs office that it can go ahead as planned
christel> and for those local, wishing to show their respects at his funeral, we ask that you email staff@freenode.net and we will try direct you as we can
christel> We will take some questions now and try answer them in channel, it would be appreciated if those with questions message beu, and we will answer on channel
christel> thank you
christel> the first question we've had is "What happens to freenode?"
beu> to answer the "who verified this?" question, members of freenode staff have been in contact with Rob's family over the past few days
christel> it is Debs wishes that freenode keeps running as close to normal as possible, and we will be working with the PDPC board to ensure that the network keeps running
beu> we are currently formulating an announcement and hope to have it online soon, in addition to an online "book of condolences"
christel> it has also been asked why lilos client is still connected
christel> i am sure you will all agree that at this point in time, we feel uncomfortable killing his client and find the mere idea rather morbid
christel> Robs nicknames will be quarantined to prevent abuse.
christel> A lot of people have asked how they can help
christel> Debs requests has been that people who knew Rob could donate to PDPC in his memory, or those wishing to make a more general contribution could give something to a bicycle safety campaign in their area.

Re:More Info (3, Informative)

tonsofpcs (687961) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121866)

From #freenode-announce
18:03:10 <+christel> the first question we've had is "What happens to freenode?"
18:04:09 <+christel> it is Debs wishes that freenode keeps running as close to normal as possible, and we will be working with the PDPC board to
                    ensure that the network keeps running
18:05:04 <+christel> it has also been asked why lilos client is still connected
18:05:28 <+christel> i am sure you will all agree that at this point in time, we feel uncomfortable killing his client and find the mere idea
                    rather morbid
18:05:44 <+christel> Robs nicknames will be quarantined to prevent abuse.
18:06:01 <+christel> A lot of people have asked how they can help
18:07:07 <+christel> Debs requests has been that people who knew Rob could donate to PDPC in his memory, or those wishing to make a more general
                    contribution could give something to a bicycle safety campaign in their area.
18:08:32 <+christel> we will also try to coordinate so that we can get some things together for Debs and Benjamin, but at this point in time she
                    has no particular wishes in that regard. Those wishing to help his family however, are encouraged to get in touch with us per email
                    (again staff@freenode.net) and we will try connect you with those in the area that are coordinating support.
18:08:53 <+christel> "Should lilo's fellow Jews sit shiva for 30 days as is tradition?"
18:09:17 <+christel> I am not jewish, and I dont know much about jewish traditions, so i will leave that up to each and every one of you
                    individually
18:09:25 <+christel> "Where, as in city and state, would the funeral be?
18:09:37 <+christel> Rob lived in Houston, Texas and the funeral will be held there
18:10:08 <+christel> "was lilo wearing a helmet and was the car driver responsible? if they are responsible will they be charged?"
18:10:33 <+christel> lilo was not wearing a helmet, we are unsure at this point about what will happen wrt the driver of the car
18:11:30 <+christel> from what we know, it was a hit and run
18:11:37 <+christel> and the driver has not yet been found
18:12:51 <+christel> Any other questions?
18:15:14 <+christel> I am recieving a lot of priv messages, and I am afraid I can't quite manage to reply to each and every one of you at the
                    moment, but I would like to thank you for the support and condolences
18:16:36 <+christel> "will the name lilo still be in use on the server? be it as a bot, or otherwise?" We will q-line the nick to prevent it
                    from being used.
18:20:48 <+christel> it has been asked why lilos client is idle only 27 hours, the reason for that is most likely scripts running

RIP lilo (2)

tonsofpcs (687961) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121742)

RIP Rob Levin.

Re:RIP lilo (4, Interesting)

Emmettfish (573105) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121806)

We had numerous and public arguments. I thought he was a jerk. He felt the same way about me. Both of us knew the good things the other did for the Free Software and Open Source communities, but every time we got into it, it was nothing but pure argument.

I did respect him, and the work that he's done. While I disagree with a lot of the way he managed things, there's no doubt that he did what he did with the best of intentions. He will be missed as both a leader of the community and a human being.

I wish the staff well in the upcoming days and weeks -- It will not be easy. I would urge complainers, sycophants and jerks to back off for a while. Best wishes to his family and friends.

Emmett

Re:RIP lilo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16122084)

We had numerous and public arguments. I thought he was a jerk. He felt the same way about me. Both of us knew the good things the other did for the Free Software and Open Source communities, but every time we got into it, it was nothing but pure argument.


Looks like you won't have that problem anymore, ROFLMAO!

Re:RIP lilo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121848)

Damn! :-(

Very nice guy, I always enjoyed chatting with him. RIP.

Opportunity from Tragedy (1, Flamebait)

wpanderson (67273) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121746)

This is obviously a tragedy for his family, friends, colleagues and a complete shock to everyone who has heard of him, but once the dust has settled, it will be interesting to see how PDPC and Freenode will continue to be run.

Re:Opportunity from Tragedy (0)

greyduk (966196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121893)

who the hell modded this as troll?

Re:Opportunity from Tragedy (2, Insightful)

RonnyJ (651856) | more than 7 years ago | (#16122009)

who the hell modded this as troll?

Probably people who read the subject 'Opportunity from Tragedy' - there's no opportunity from such a tragedy.

LOL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121748)

one less linux faggot

Re:LOL (2, Interesting)

Potor (658520) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121766)

i just ran out of mod points. i wish i had them now.

Re:LOL (2)

Meltir (891449) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121774)

Same here.

Re:LOL (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121786)

I know how you feel, but don't feed the trolls.

Mod parent up: insightful (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121770)

Sweet!

Mod Parent Human Trash (2)

db32 (862117) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121778)

I can't believe this garbage was modded informative. To think my mod points expired today and I can't shoot this down myself...

Re:LOL (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121781)

die in a fire.
same to the asshat that modded him positively

Thanks Lilo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121750)

I appreciate all the good times you made possible on FreeNode, and your great stewardship of the system. Rest in peace Lilo.

You're welcome (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121755)

I'm glad you appreciated it. Hey, who knew they had Slashdot in heaven?

An old friend (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121751)


I'll never forget the first time Rob fisted me. His slender forearm coated with Astroglide broke my chocolate cherry in a way I'll never forget.

R.I.P., Rob, my sphincter missed you.
- Michael Sims

rest in peace... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121752)

keep shredding in heaven with dimebag and steve irwin... 14/88 comrade...

Re:rest in peace... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121808)

14/88?

Die you Nazi scum

Loss of a good person (1)

Cillian (1003268) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121754)

Pity, he seemed like a nice guy...

As said, good or nothing about the dead. (0, Offtopic)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121763)

RIP.



.

Rest in Peace :-( (5, Interesting)

Eloquence (144160) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121764)

I only had very few interactions with Lilo, but he was always friendly and polite when I did. I am a long time user of FreeNode and a long time Wikipedian. The network has been invaluable to our community, and while of course a project like FreeNode is very much collaborative, I think he personally represented many of the core values that make it a great place for open source and free content projects. This is a very sad day. May he idle in peace. :-(

A charity in his name. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121878)

It would be most delightful if the Wikipedia folks and the FreeNode folks were to get together and create a charity in his name. The charity could help support research into helping those who have suffered severe cranial trauma. If all of the Wikipedia and FreeNode users were to donate a small sum to this foundation, it could be the beginning of a program that could potentially help many victims of such injuries.

Re:Rest in Peace :-( (3, Informative)

Jon Chatow (25684) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121978)

As someone who ended up talking to Rob on IRC every couple of days for over a year, and several times by 'phone, I can attest to this absolutely; his help to me in running the Wikimedia IRC channels was both invaluable and amazingly forth-coming - he was seemingly always available, and never anything other than friendly and massively helpful, even for the most tiresome and stupid of questions that I managed to come up with. Good bye, Rob. We will miss you. James F. Wikimedia GC.

Hi all. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121765)

Hi all.

Rest in Peace, lilo (3, Insightful)

stesch (12896) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121768)

This is a really sad day for freenode. He provided such a good service to all of us. :-(

Who hit him? (-1, Troll)

dsanfte (443781) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121769)

I say we find the bastard who hit him and make his life a living hell. Pooling the expertise of Slashdot together, we can probably arrange for all his credit cards to be cancelled, his home to be sold out from under him, his wife to leave him after discovering his secret love affair with another man, and much, much more.

Who's with me?

Re:Who hit him? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121791)

How about we just call the cops and let them know that there's a psychopath on the loose? Or would you rather turn yourself in?

Re:Who hit him? (0)

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121797)

Um.. to err is human. Let's not be exacting vengeance. Let the courts deal with part of giving justice. Thanks.

sri

Re:Who hit him? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121857)

The courts? *chuckles*

Exactly the reason why OJ is free, Rob Blake and soon to be this asshole.. probably on an indirect manslaughter charge.. which will be reduced to a 6 month probation.

Welcome to the *cough cough* justice system of US.

Re:Who hit him? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121824)

It is always hard to die. But it is even harder to live on with the knowledge of having killed someone.

Let the poor boy alone - he has problems enough on his own and does not need your childish revenge

Re:Who hit him? (2, Insightful)

masklinn (823351) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121880)

WTF?

I don't see any informations on the circumstances of the accident, nor what happened to the car's driver. For all we know it could've been a mechanical issue with the car, or the driver didn't pay enough attention and is in jail, or anything.

I know this is slashdot, but how about not being stupid and judgemental just for once?

Re:Who hit him? (1)

bsane (148894) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121896)

Or the fault of the cyclist... It happens sometimes.

Guys! (-1, Flamebait)

sfraggle (212671) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121773)

I heard lilo was on the radio!


And the bonnet, and the windscreen...

Mod this jerk into oblivion, please. (1, Offtopic)

SaDan (81097) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121800)

Incredibly tasteless at a time like this. Please mod this jerk down.

Re:Mod this jerk into oblivion, please. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121832)

oh come on, it's funny. I read it and have Cola comming out of me noise I laughed so much!

Last Post (0, Flamebait)

pgregg (185457) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121775)

Last Post. :)

RIP (4, Insightful)

cbrocious (764766) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121777)

I got my start on Freenode many, many years ago, and now have been involved with dozens, possibly hundreds of projects, all on freenode. I've talked with Lilo many times and have never had a bad experience. One of the kindest and most helpful people I've ever met.

My Condolences go out to his family.

RIP lilo

Stalker Connection (1)

Planeflux (992050) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121779)

Does anyone know of there is any known connection to his stalker [bloggage.org] ? Or was it just a plain accident?

RIP (2, Insightful)

tulare (244053) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121783)

My condolences to his family. He worked hard for what we have, right or wrong, and we should respect that and be thankful for what he has left us.




MOTHERFUCKIN OWNED (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121788)

MUTHERFUCKER!

WHAT (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121792)

That's the only response I can think of. Sorry.

lilo (0, Troll)

Bloater (12932) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121793)

... will lie 6 feet lower than he ever lilo'd before.

Just announced in #freenode-announce (5, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121795)

22:58 +christel: Ok, first off, this is not a hoax
22:59 +christel Rob was riding his bike on tuesday when he was hit by a car, he has spent the last few days at the neuro trauma ICU at a local hospital 22:59 +christel: where he has been in a coma
22:59 +christel: the news reached us this morning that Rob passed away early today
23:00 +christel: and we ask that you all respect their privacy at this difficult time
23:01 +christel: Robs funeral is most likely to be monday afternoon, although we have yet to get confirmation as Debs is waiting to hear from the MEs office that it can go ahead as planned 23:01 +christel: and for those local, wishing to show their respects at his funeral, we ask that you email staff@freenode.net and we will try direct you as we can
23:02 +christel: We will take some questions now and try answer them in channel, it would be appreciated if those with questions message beu, and we will answer on channel
23:02 +christel: thank you
My condolances to Robs friends and family.

Re:Just announced in #freenode-announce (1)

SaDan (81097) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121815)

christel: we will also try to coordinate so that we can get some things together for Debs and Benjamin, but at this point in time she has no particular wishes in that regard. Those wishing to help his family however, are encouraged to get in touch with us per email (again staff@freenode.net) and we will try connect you with those in the area that are coordinating support.

Tribute to Lilo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121979)

I've made a tribute site for him: R.I.P lilo [ytmnd.com]

'Passes' too bland a euphamism (5, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121802)

The first time I read the headline I was confused about what it meant. Was there some sort of position he turned down? Did he quit an important job?

I've always despised death euphamisms, though. Trying to tone the tragedy down doesn't make it any easier to deal with for friends, families, or looker-ons. It also takes away from the importance of the death itself.

He's dead. The man was killed in an auto accident. It's a sad, tragic ending, but it's the truth.

What yah get ridein' in the street... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121803)

What yah get ridein' in the street...

Freenode has been a great asset to open source (5, Insightful)

starseeker (141897) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121805)

I would estimate that Freenode was responsible for more realtime communication between developers and between users/support than any other single medium, and as such it was and is a major asset to the open source movement. It has undoubtedly helped make many projects much better than would have otherwise been possible/workable.

As a legacy, I'd say that's a pretty good one to leave.

Sorry, I can't help it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121813)

Maybe this'll stop the PDPC begging spam on the /wall, finally.

Though I think I had his WALLs on ignore ever since they started to bug the living fuck out of me. Did you know he used to change his @-moniker every so often to _avoid_ his begging spam being ignored? Still, damn shame that he's gone.

Truly an american icon.

All about the Benjamins (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121831)

Maybe he's going to be dead for a year for tax reasons.

RIP (1)

Antony.S (813668) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121838)

Have only met lilo a couple of times in IRC, and don't recall speaking to him, but as a fellow IRCer, RIP

Sorry, Rob (2, Interesting)

weevlos (766887) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121841)

Rob, I'm sorry about all those times we terrorized your network with banbots and the DCC SEND exploit.

I'm sorry that after Grog took over freenode by convincing you he was Greg Lehey of FreeBSD I took the liberty of impersonating your caller ID and voice to shout obscenities and insults on Greg's voicemail.

I'm sorry that you never learned to use SSL or SSH and we pulled your oper block password off the wire. [slashdot.org]

I'm sorry about the time I pulled all your docs, released your SSN on the full-disclosure mailing list [grok.org.uk] and gave your credit cards and checking account number to third world hustlers. That was really mean.

Most of all, I'm sorry you're dead because I'll have to find someone new to troll.

RIP Rob Levin, trolled to death by car.

LOL@THAT FAT FUCK LILO (1)

James A. V. Joyce (798462) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121851)

I would lol if he was run over by some e-troll taking things "too far". HE DID IT FOR THE LULZ

"Passes"? (4, Insightful)

Schraegstrichpunkt (931443) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121843)

Enough with the euphemisms, already. Just say that he died. "Passing" is something you do with yesterday's lunch shortly after you've eaten today's.

RIP (1)

ferrisr (849067) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121844)

RIP man :'(

I feel kinda bad... (1)

CCFreak2K (930973) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121850)

...that I bagged on him a few times for accidentally tripping on a power cord, thus splitting the network (whether this actually happened is beyond me). I'm also terrified of riding my bike now.

Re:I feel kinda bad... (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121882)

I'm also terrified of riding my bike now.

As you should be. Riding a bicycle on the streets just about anywhere in the US is dangerous as hell. It's one thing to want to exercise/save gas/not pollute/exert your rights of the road. It's another thing to be dead or paralyzed. I know waaay too many people killed or hurt from riding a bike on the road to ever do so myself (I live in an area where there are more road bikers per capita then I've ever seen before). I keep my bike riding in the woods.

Maybe one day it'll be safe for bicyclists on the road. Until then, the only way I'm getting on a road is in a car. I'm not willing to give up my life to make a statement.

Re:I feel kinda bad... (1)

treke (62626) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121954)

Dunno about the power cord, but he has on occasion accidently banned everyone from the network. He's provided a great tool for projects over the years, and I wish his family the best in dealing with this horrible occurance.

just idle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121853)

* [lilo] (i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin): Rob Levin
* [lilo] #gaim ##freebsd
* [lilo] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/
* [lilo] is away (Whoops, I've stepped away. For URGENT freenode help (channel flooding, trolling users, network problems or access issues), please email my pager at 4iiygyvs@freenode.net . It's my job and I'm happy to respond. For ROUTINE issues, please see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp [freenode.net] .... Please take a look at my personal blog when you get a chance: http://spinhome.org/ [spinhome.org] .... Thanks!)
* [lilo] is identified to services
* [lilo] idle 27:16:23, signon: Thu Sep 7 08:14:39
* [lilo] End of WHOIS list.

Passed? (5, Insightful)

munpfazy (694689) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121860)

I've got no problem with friends and family members using passive, religiously charged euphemisms when discussing death. If people find it easier to talk about their sister having "passed," that's fine by me.

But when it comes to journalism (or the slashdot equivalent), it comes off as silly at best and offensive at worst.

Rob Levin didn't pass. He didn't "Pass", pass on, nor pass away. He DIED, and he was KILLED. This isn't just death, but death in a horrible, violent, disturbing way.

Getting your head smashed in by an automobile and living for painful hours in a hospital critical care ward isn't gentle. It's horrible, and cruel, and ugly. Using gentle words to describe it doesn't make it any less so. It does us all a disservice by belittling the tragedy of what has actually happened.

Re:Passed? (2, Insightful)

lewp (95638) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121944)

I doubt the dead, were they asked about it before they died, would want us to dwell on how we described their death. Rather, I think they'd prefer to have us remember who they were and what they did in life.

I'm an atheist, but I have no problem with death being described as "passing". Losing someone you care about can be a lot to deal with emotionally. If using euphemisms helps with the process of coping, then I'm all for it.

(If this was a deliberate troll, it was in pretty poor taste, but I guess IHBT.)

Re:Passed? ... obscure meaning (1)

pbhj (607776) | more than 7 years ago | (#16122001)

I have to say that this also creates an obscure title (for those not familiar with US euphemism).

I thought it was referring to some sort of network bootstrapping using freenode. You soon realise the error, but then why have a title. "Died" is surely not offensive?

Another one? (4, Informative)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121867)

As a bike rider myself the first thing I thought of was the death in March [netbsd.org] of Richard Rauch.

This is sad news. My sympathies to his family.

Rest in peace, Levin (1, Insightful)

Tore S B (711705) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121869)

Rest in peace.


He leaves the legacy of being a man who started and ran the IRC network that is by far the most popular network for free software developer communication, and an invaluable asset to the entire community. We thank him for his contributions, and offer our deepest condolances to the friends and family.

We'll miss you lilo :( (1)

Venim (846130) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121871)

This is truely sad. This person was very committed to keeping freenode running. Best of wishes to his family

Why car drivers suck (5, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121875)

Car drivers, especially in the United States, have absolutely 0 regard for bike riders. A professor did an interesting study about how close cars come to bikers when they wear helmets versus when they don't [yahoo.com] . Not to mention in San Francisco they recently delayed a resolution that would build bike paths across the city so that bike riders didn't have to deal with ignorant SUV driving assholes too busy talking on their phone to notice a bike rider.
Sorry for the strong language, but as a bike rider car drivers in America for the most part just totally piss me off. I have to spend my tax money attacking some random oil rich country so you can drive your SUVs, but you get all in a tizzy when I want a bike path so I don't have to worry about you hitting me even though I have as much a right to the road as you do.
Ignorant car drivers disgust me. /Rant

ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121906)

Ironic that he wasn't wearing a helmet and died of head injuries. BTW, your professor was in the UK when he did the study, not the US.

Re:ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121914)

Umm, I don't think you understand what irony is. It would have been ironic if he wore a helmet and because of that he got head injuries.

It makes sense that he died of head injuries if he wasn't wearing a helmet.

maybe if you had read the study (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16122034)

It's ironic that the car was NOT farther away as suggested by the study, but actually close enough to hit him.

Roads more than drivers (3, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121936)

It's not just the drivers. Many roads seem to have been created with no real thought for cyclists. While this is particularly true in big cities (like SF, where the roads are insane for anyone traveling on them), even nice crunchy places like Santa Cruz make bicycle commuting a risky proposition, because they don't see cyclist-friendly roads to be a high enough priority. I can't tell you how many times I've nearly been annihilated because on-street parking forces me almost into the auto lane. Potholes, poorly-designed merge and exit lanes, and fast traffic signals turn a ride to work into a dangerous proposition.

Until there are more people commuting in bikes rather than cars, I don't see the situation changing for the better.

Re:Why car drivers suck (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121947)

Until you can do the same speed limit as the cars that have to "share" the road with you, I don't agree that you have any right to be on it, in the way, putting yourself in danger. I drive as carefully as I can around bike riders who observe the law, but I get disgusted when there's a line of cars doing 30 mph or more under the speed limit because they have to wait for a bike rider who won't let them pass. I also live and work in an area with seperate bike trails that cross roads at several points, the crosswalks have STOP SIGNS for the bikers and pedestrians (not for the cars), where they are supposed to wait for a reasonable chance to cross the road, and bikers are instructed to dismount and walk across. Instead most of them drive right into traffic without looking...

Most of the bike riders I see on the roads in Maryland (USA) blatantly disregard any laws or right of way. I see them ride all over the road, with or against traffic and usually in front of moving cars without looking or warning.

Maybe bike riders should get a "right" to be on the same road after they get a license, demonstrate knowledge of the law and tag their bikes with identification so they can be held responsible for breaking it? (in addition to previously mentioned being able to travel at the same speed as traffic.. good luck)

In any case, I'm not suggesting Rob Levin is at fault for the horrible accident he was involved in. I'm very sorry to hear about it. I'm only responding to the parent poster.

Re:Why car drivers suck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121950)

There's more of us than there are more of you. Therefore, majority rules. Take your bike riding pansy ass to a road designated for bike use and get the fuck out of the way.

Re:Why car drivers suck (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16122016)

Take your bike riding pansy ass to a road designated for bike use and get the fuck out of the way.

I will, as soon as you build a road designated for bike use parallel to your SUV roads and help my bike riding pansy ass to stay the fuck out of your way.

Re:Why car drivers suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16122083)

What you need to do is gather up all the rest of your fellow bike riding weenies and petition the local government to build more bike paths. It's not going to happen by itself. This is how a government run by the people for the people is supposed to work. If enough people give a shit, things will start to change. If not, well tough shit I guess. The price you pay for living in a democratic society.

Meanwhile, get the hell out of the way or become roadkill.

Re:Why car drivers suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121973)

I'd argue with you, but then I'd just be making your signature come true.

Re:Why car drivers suck (3, Insightful)

ubernostrum (219442) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121975)

It goes both ways; I've seen plenty of asshole drivers, but I've also seen lots of cyclists who insist on ignoring traffic laws. Just yesterday as I was driving home from work, sitting at a stop sign, a cyclist came up behind me and went through the intersection without stopping -- quick reflexes on the part of the driver who had right-of-way were the only thing that stopped the cyclist becoming a stain on the pavement. Moral of the story: no matter what sort of vehicle you're operating, when you're on the road the laws of the road apply to you, and you need to be cautious and observant.

Re:Why car drivers suck (4, Informative)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121984)

Could not agree more. I have ridden and raced bikes all over Europe for years without concern. A few years ago I made the foolish decision to take my bike on vacation to Florida with me to help recover from an injury. I though the a few km in the heat would do me good. 10 mins on a fairly busy road scared the bejesus out of me. Its like I was invisible on US tarmac or something, drivers storming past at 70-80 kph just centimeters from me, not one made the slightest effort to give me any space. Not an experience I am keen to repeat.

Re:Why car drivers suck (1)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 7 years ago | (#16122035)

At least around here, there are 1m wide bike lanes many places, but the bikers ride on the CAR side of the line anyway.

They do this becasue the cell phone users are usually driving in the bike lane :(

I'm so glad California finally banned cell phones without hands-free. Paves the way for banning them entirely.

Re:Why car drivers suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16122049)

Tips 4 cyclists

Wear a real helmet, not a cap. Get mirrors for your bike.* Use the sidewalk if there isn't a bike lane. (I don't care if that's not legal where you are, it's better than getting hit by a car.) Assume everyone out there is out to kill you. Don't obliviously cut off traffic (mirrors can help here). Don't split lanes. Follow road signs, eg, stopping at stop signs, stop lights.

*Above all I urge cyclists to get mirrors for their bikes.

What he had to say about himself on Wiki. (4, Informative)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121885)

User Rob Levin [wikipedia.org] .

As the cars get bigger, bike riding is scarier but remains my only convenient daily exercise.

Re:What he had to say about himself on Wiki. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16122029)

So he died because he was too busy chatting on IRC to exercise in a gym or at home.

RIP Rob. (2, Funny)

TwoTailedFox (894904) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121902)

You've now gone to Admin the IRC Server in the Sky.

Kickban Timothy Mcveigh for me.

Condolences (1)

rdoger6424 (879843) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121905)

My condolences go out to his family. Unfortunately, it appears that he was not wearing a helmet while riding his bicycle. I wonder if a charity for bicycle safety will start in his name

God Bless Rob (1)

peterfa (941523) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121910)

May Rob smile down on us from Heaven.
While Rob may be gone, Freenode will live on. Of course, Freenode won't be the same, but we will get by. He was the most thoughtful admins I have ever known.

Sad Day (1)

dammy (131759) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121915)

Sad day for his survivors and a sad day for Freenode. He will be missed.

The cemeteries are full of indispensable people. (1)

imbaczek (690596) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121919)

But their deeds shall not be forgotten.

requiescat in pace (1)

Isaac-Lew (623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121923)

I spoke to lilo several times a few years ago, just around the time freenode started. My condolences to his family.

lilo gone (1)

hebertrich (472331) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121924)

almost everyone had a chance to converse
with him in various circumstances.
he will be missed.
goodbye old chap ..

And what does this teach us? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121927)

For biker fans like myself: ALLWAYS wear an helmet! It isn't "cool" not to wear one when riding a bike, its plain out stupid. I know this sounds harsh, but after I read that he never bothered to put on an helmet I think different about this whole accident. However, despite my attitude regards to that I do wish his family strength and wisdom.

sick joke (don't read if you're sensitive) (-1, Troll)

Schraegstrichpunkt (931443) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121946)

Looks like Netcraft was right. I always prefered grub anyway. :-P

[Mods: Come on, you know you'll laugh about it in a couple of days.]

What, no jokes? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16121961)

Yeah, when people make jokes about September 11 it is "dealing with the situation" or whatever. When people make jokes about this guy they are just trolling. Granted the few jokes made are bad taste at best, but so were many of the September 11 jokes.

Too bad he wasn't taking performance enhancing drugs.
Did anybody remember to delete all his child porn?

Personally, I liked grub better anyway.

Helmets & Accidents (1)

resistant (221968) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121965)

Not to be too off-topic, I ran into a truck on a bicycle some years ago, on a long, straight road in the summer, with the dark brown UPS truck parked partly on the road in the shade, at noon, under a brown-leaved tree with brown vegetation all around in a boring, rather featureless landscape. Were it not for the helmet, I'd have suffered more than just a mild concussion that knocked me unconscious for apparently twenty minutes. Yes, I was a damn fool who should have paid more attention to the road on that day instead of fiddling with a bag I had been carrying from a handlebar, but the lesson holds for all bicyclists under all circumstances.

It is to be hoped that Mr. Levin had been wearing a helmet. In any case, this death was tragic. :(

I guess the point of this post is just to remind you that if you ride a bicycle, please do wear a helmet, no matter how annoying you may find it at first. A decent helmet is not expensive, will allow good air circulation, and becomes second nature after a while. Even if you're struck by a car, the helmet might make the difference between permanent head injury or full recovery.

Tragic but.... (1)

pugdk (697845) | more than 7 years ago | (#16121998)

Sure is always tragic when someone dies and in lilo's case I'm sure its a great loss as I have the feeling he did do great things and meant well.

On the other hand I can now finally remove my lilo ignore on freenode as he won't be able to do those nasty irritating broadcasts (or whatever they are called) again.

"passes" what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16122047)

where are the editors?

He passes? passes the salt? passes wind?

the phrase I believe should be "passes away".
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