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New Tolkien Story To be Published

ScuttleMonkey posted about 8 years ago | from the peter-jackson-unavailable-for-comment dept.

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vingilot writes "CNN reports that Christopher Tolkien has edited and will release a new book by his father. From the article: 'Christopher Tolkien has spent the past 30 years working on "The Children of Hurin," an epic tale his father began in 1918 and later abandoned. Excerpts of "The Children of Hurin," which includes the elves and dwarfs of Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings" and other works, have been published before.'"

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Well! I stand corrected. (5, Funny)

koreth (409849) | about 8 years ago | (#16134481)

I guess outrageously long copyright terms really do encourage artists to produce more work after they die.

Re:Well! I stand corrected. (5, Funny)

Quaoar (614366) | about 8 years ago | (#16134566)

I hope so...I can't wait for Tupac's new album in 2080!

Re:Well! I stand corrected. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134751)

Very nice. You repeated the parent's joke, except in a less funny way! Good on you.

Re:Well! I stand corrected. (3, Interesting)

vancondo (986849) | about 8 years ago | (#16134648)

Hmm.. Maybe there's a reason the story was tossed aside in the first place?

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Just a money grab? (3, Interesting)

TopShelf (92521) | about 8 years ago | (#16134489)

From TFA:
Excerpts of "The Children of Hurin," which includes the elves and dwarves of Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings" and other works, have been published before.

"It has seemed to me for a long time that there was a good case for presenting my father's long version of the legend of the 'Children of Hurin' as an independent work, between its own covers,"


So the question is, will there actually be anything new in here that readers haven't seen before, or is it merely pulling bits from various texts and stitching them together in a fresh binding? Sounds like the latter to me...

Re:Just a money grab? (1)

Korin43 (881732) | about 8 years ago | (#16134795)

Considering the author is dead, that's really the best they can be expected to do (well).

Re:Just a money grab? (4, Insightful)

malsdavis (542216) | about 8 years ago | (#16134824)

Most of the books released by Christopher Tolkien since his father's death have been predominantly 'new' material. There are meant to be many, many files full of manuscripts that J. R. Tolkien wrote but never published in book form.

I'm extremely glad to see that some more have been put together into what I'm sure will be another amazing book.

Re:Just a money grab? (4, Insightful)

joggle (594025) | about 8 years ago | (#16134801)

So the question is, will there actually be anything new in here that readers haven't seen before, or is it merely pulling bits from various texts and stitching them together in a fresh binding? Sounds like the latter to me...

Considering he is somewhat of a Tolkien scholar and has worked on this 30 years, I doubt that it is just a hodgepodge of works. There probably is a bit of truth to the money grab in that the recent success of the LOTR movies probably encouraged him to finish editing and/or publishers to publish the work.

Re:Just a money grab? (5, Funny)

CaptainCarrot (84625) | about 8 years ago | (#16134980)

CJRT is "somewhat of a Tolkien scholar". The Pope is "a well-known Catholic". The Sun is "a nearby star". Michael Moore "is not entirely pleased with the Bush administration". Slashdot "occasionally posts dupes"....

fair enough (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134491)

Carnage Blender [carnageblender.com]

first? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134492)

first?

wtf

More LOTR deluxe sets (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134496)

Fortunately I didn't buy the LOTR trilogy set just yet. What's next? Lost side story of elven child raised by dwarven humans?

Story will not include "Hobbitses" (4, Funny)

loteck (533317) | about 8 years ago | (#16134499)

for they have largely been found to be "tricksy", not to mention "false".

Greedy Children (-1, Troll)

Jason1729 (561790) | about 8 years ago | (#16134509)

Tolkein obviously didn't want this book published. Now his greedy kid is capitalizing on his fathers name just to make some cash and hurt Tolkein's reputation by publishing a book not up to his usual quality.

Re:Greedy Children (5, Insightful)

Bryansix (761547) | about 8 years ago | (#16134524)

Tolkein obviously didn't want this book published. Now his greedy kid is capitalizing on his fathers name just to make some cash and hurt Tolkein's reputation by publishing a book not up to his usual quality.
That's why he spent 30 years working on it right?

Re:Greedy Children (5, Funny)

bunions (970377) | about 8 years ago | (#16134585)

Look, the guy chose to die rather than have it published. I don't see how anyone could send a clearer signal, sheesh.

Re:Greedy Children (5, Funny)

gbobeck (926553) | about 8 years ago | (#16134666)

I don't see how anyone could send a clearer signal, sheesh.

He could have engaged in spontaneous human combustion while holding the original manuscript.

Re:Greedy Children (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134662)

The time you take to complete a job doesn't necessarily correlate to the quality of the job done.

Example: I've been working on cleaning out my house's attic for just over 11 years now, and my wife still says I'm doing a crappy job of it. :)

Re:Greedy Children (5, Insightful)

Paradise Pete (33184) | about 8 years ago | (#16134805)

The time you take to complete a job doesn't necessarily correlate to the quality of the job done.

No, but it does give some indication of motive. If I'm looking to make a quick buck, I sure don't spend 30 years turning it into a rather slow buck.

Re:Greedy Children (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134743)

Not knowing his father nor Chris, I don't think any of the Middle Earth fans have much room for such definitive claims like "he's ruining his father's legacy" or "is a greedy little kid." You really think he NEEDS MORE money?

Re:Greedy Children (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134665)

Now his greedy kid is capitalizing on his fathers name just to make some cash and hurt Tolkein's reputation by publishing a book not up to his usual quality.

Uh, we're not talking about a snot-nosed punk trying to make a quick buck. The guy's eighty years old and has dedicated much of his life to his father's literary legacy, trying to make sense of his notes and half-finished stories (see the Silmarillion.) Whether his efforts have literary merit is one thing-- I personally think a dead author's notes and partial works should be buried with him-- but he's hardly trying to "make some cash."

Re:Greedy Children (1)

Planesdragon (210349) | about 8 years ago | (#16134710)

I'm pretty sure that, publish or not, J.R.R. Tolkien isn't going to care one way or the other.

And as for "usual standard" -- Chis Tolkien is going to be able to match or exceed his father's writing in every technical way. Being able to write full time and not having to create the mythology will do that.

Re:Greedy Children (1, Insightful)

Quarters (18322) | about 8 years ago | (#16134745)

...and as for "usual standard" -- Chis Tolkien is going to be able to match or exceed his father's writing in every technical way.

Some people have a true gift for language, some people are able to master language, and then there are the offspring of respected writers. Whether it be Tolkien or Herbert, the younger generation always manages to trample on the legacy left by their ancestors. Go read some of C. Tolkien's early attempts at extending his father's legacy. You'll quickly see what I mean.

Just like Mozart's Requiem in D minor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134831)

He didn't finish K.626 on purpose! It wasn't because he died making it, it was because it sucked and he knew it! Stupid Joseph Eybler, trying to make a quick buck off the master's work!

Re:Greedy Children (1)

revolu7ion (994315) | about 8 years ago | (#16134954)

Yeah, like we know what Tolkien would have wanted... A son would know his father the best... i'm sure the tolkiens aren't in dire need of money.

Abandoned? (3, Insightful)

EotB (964562) | about 8 years ago | (#16134514)

Well the article at least makes it seem like Tolkein abandoned it due to time pressures or something similar, as opposed to considering the work to be sub-standard. The fact that he included exerpts in his other works would seem to be a good sign.

Re:Abandoned? (2, Insightful)

AuMatar (183847) | about 8 years ago | (#16134537)

If you read some of his other writings, he has a lot of abandoned stories. The LotR was really a minor footnote in the history of middle earth.

I'm curious about this particular story though. The Narn i Nin Hurin (Tale of the Children of Hurin) was already published as part of the Silmarilion. While I supposed it could have been polished (and it needed a great deal of that), I don't see what else could have been done to it over that version.

Re:Abandoned? (1)

EotB (964562) | about 8 years ago | (#16134552)

Unfortunately I never managed to make it through the Silmarillion, but I do understand what you mean. My problem was always that by the time I have read through a part, I had forgotten the part before it and could not follow any references to the middle earth history properly. This made it a little difficult to follow.

Re:Abandoned? (4, Insightful)

gfxguy (98788) | about 8 years ago | (#16134838)

I'm struggling through it right now... my problem is I only really get a chance when I take my son to martial arts and wait for him. I get about two hours a week to read, excepting when I'm on vacation when I might get a little more.

The problem with the Silmarillion is that each character has like 10 names that are used interchangeably, most parts read like the worst, most dry history book you've ever read, there's no contextual maps (my book has two maps... but as time changes, so do the names of cities, towns, and natural landmarks, so you can hardly figure out where anything is taking place unless your mind is a steel trap and you're taking notes (and come on, I'm not being tested on it, I'm not taking notes).

I have to constantly refer to the indices to see what things are and how they're pronounced...

I'm about 4/5 the way through, though, so won't give up this time (last time I tried I was in high school, about 20 years ago).

Re:Abandoned? (2, Interesting)

bcat24 (914105) | about 8 years ago | (#16134873)

I know what you mean, the Sil is not an easy book to read. Actually, it's a really hard one to read the first time around. Then I finally realized that it didn't really matter if I forgot what I'd just read, or just which elf was which (why do half their names have to start with "f" anyway?). Once that happened, I was able to read the whole thing without too much trouble. It still wasn't (and still isn't) an easy read, but it's definitely worth it. It's just so beautiful, and profoundly sad, and gives a nice perspective for the Lord of the Rings.

Trust fund (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134519)

Looks likes daddy's trust fund was running dry?

Balrogs? (5, Funny)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 8 years ago | (#16134527)

I think I speak for all true Tolkien fans when I say; This book will give the conclusive, irrefutable evidence that Balrog's indeed have wings. Namely, there will be one with wings on the cover.

Re:Balrogs? (1)

wwiiol_toofless (991717) | about 8 years ago | (#16134573)

The Mike Tyson clone from Street Fighter II?

Re:Balrogs? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 8 years ago | (#16134678)

That, or the narcissistic Wolverine clone from Sutoriito Faitaa II.

Re:Balrogs? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134701)

Balrogs have wings, right --- that's why they fall off mountains to their deaths, like birds do.

Re:Balrogs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134981)

People have legs, but that doesn't stop them dieing in a ditch after a long battle instead of merely walking away from it.

I felt a tremor in the force (0)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 8 years ago | (#16134528)

Like thousands of D&D fans all soiling their pants at the same time, and then falling silent.

Re:I felt a tremor in the force (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134595)

Disturbance, not tremor, you fucking philistine!

LOTR... the stage show (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134536)

fears that the set will be trampled by dwarves run high!

Beyond "Lost Tales" and "Unfinished Tales"... (4, Funny)

Kelson (129150) | about 8 years ago | (#16134539)

We now have the Really Lost, Unfinished Tales of J.R.R. Tolkien

Legolas Atreides (5, Funny)

savi (142689) | about 8 years ago | (#16134540)

At last, the true secrets of the Bene Gesserit line of Noldor will be revealed! I LOVE pre-quels!

expected criticism (5, Interesting)

acvh (120205) | about 8 years ago | (#16134587)

and yes, Chris Tolkien has fed off the teat of his late father's creativity for a long time now. still, the literary joy of reading The Silmarillion, The Narn i Hin Hurun, The Lay of Leithian, and more, far outweighs whatever motives young Tolkien may have in editing and publishing these many works.

Prof. Tolkien, while living, tried and failed to publish the Silmarillion. The other works were never even close to publishable. yet he often talked and wrote of these tales having a life of their own, and I don't think he would object to their being shared with millions of fans.

I, for one, am grateful for the opportunity to have read of the First and Second ages of Tolkien's world.

Bag It (-1, Troll)

Doc Ruby (173196) | about 8 years ago | (#16134593)

Christopher Tolkein is an asshole. He greedily hangs onto the JRRT manuscripts he's hoarded, "completing" them when he finds the time, then releases unreadable garbage. The Silmarillion, which he barely touched, was OK, but clearly lacked the JRRT editing which produced the LotR masterpieces. Unfinished Tales should have been left unfinished, though mostly JRRT content. Tales from the Elvish showed that CT is a poser putting out worthless crap, as has everything else following.

To complete the picture, CT also said the LotR movies were bad, because Jackson wouldn't let him butcher it (or get much more money for his "efforts").

The more CT touches anything, the worse it is. And despite the greatest role model in the world, he's no Frodo to JRRT's Bilbo.

Re:Bag It (2, Funny)

acvh (120205) | about 8 years ago | (#16134626)

actually, most of the manuscripts he's worked on are in the library at Marquette(?) University, donated thus by his father.

If you prefer not to have read anything since the appendices to LOTR, then feel free not to.

As for the movies, they sucked, Jackson made significant changes to the plot just because he could, the acting was roundly horrible, the CG was obvious and not very convincing, and Liv Tyler is ugly.

so there.

Re:Bag It (2, Funny)

Spock the Baptist (455355) | about 8 years ago | (#16134741)

"Liv Tyler is ugly."

Get thee to an opthamologist!

STB

Re:Bag It (2, Funny)

DiscoBobby (196458) | about 8 years ago | (#16134803)

Liv Tyler is ugly

Good Lord, I want to see the women in YOUR world!

Re:Bag It (5, Funny)

endemoniada (744727) | about 8 years ago | (#16134869)

"...the CG was obvious..."

As opposed to all those movies starring REAL balrogs and cave trolls?

Re:Bag It (1)

glwtta (532858) | about 8 years ago | (#16134924)

So I didn't think much of the movies (seemed like roughly 12 hours of people walking), but if Liv Tyler is ugly, that's my kind of ugly!

Re:Bag It (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134721)

So, the son of a man so brilliant in imagination, his entire lifespan was not enough to finish his own work, cleans up, releases and generally attempts to carry on his father's work. Yeah, really sounds like a greedy asshole.

And quite frankly, I cheer CT's opinions of the movies. I found myself able to stomach Jackson's Fellowship, at least.. I can see the reasoning for Bombadil's disappearance, and I can even stow away sufficient ire to forgive Xenarwen. (It's a movie; one can only have so many minor characters, after all.)

Jackson's The Two Towers and Return of the Horrible, Hackneyed Fantasy Plot were horrible butchery of Tolkien's work. One must understand that in translations from book to film, things will change. There is absolutely no excuse for the wanton and brutal destruction of characters that Jackson is guilty of. Destruction of characters.. it stretches even far worse. Tolkien devoted a paragraph to describing the crown of Gondor, and Jackson couldn't even manage to get that even remotely correct. My god, when one can't translate a simple prop from book to film, how can one manage to translate the important things, such as the story?

CT is no JRR - there was only one JRR, and unless the world is very fortunate indeed, we'll likely never glimpse another so brilliant. Regardless of this, CT does damned fine work. You claim The Silmarillion lacked editting? Why, pray tell, would it need editting? It was quite obvious in line with what JRR wanted - he had taken it to publishers, who refused it effectively on the grounds of 'people are stupid'. I certainly won't argue with the publishers, but The Silmarillion was JRR's true masterpiece. The Hobbit is a mere children's story, and The Lord of the Rings was 'dumbed down' (for lack of better words) to appeal to a broad audience.

If you want to see a son doing horrible things, go talk to Brian Herbert. CT is far removed from the accusations you baselessly spew at him.

Re:Bag It (1)

John Bokma (834313) | about 8 years ago | (#16134730)

Amazing how many people can't even get the last name right, yet have so "much" to say. It's Tolkien, not Tolkein.

Re:Bag It (3, Insightful)

Ancalimar (920912) | about 8 years ago | (#16134839)

Right, well first, he didn't leave the Silmarillion "untouched". In fact, the Silmarillion, in current form, was a vast collection of disparate notes. Also, the "JRRT" editing you're referring to was more likely the editing of Tolkien's ... what would you call it ... EDITOR. Tolkien himself stated that his personal preference was for swaths of chit-chat between Hobbits, with much less emphasis on the grand literary style that we all love.

I'm just guessing that you really don't have a good idea of how J.R.R. and Christopher really were and are. His son reveres his father's work, and does not claim it as his own. The Unfinished Tales, Silmarillion, and various other books that have been put out under Tolkien's name, are mostly the various stages of Tolkien's works. If you ever bother to read them all (perhaps you have already?) you'll see an amazing cross-section of not only Tolkien's works, but his entire life. And for that, his son deserves thanks, not ridicule.

Re:Bag It (0, Offtopic)

caviare (830421) | about 8 years ago | (#16134931)

I am horrified that a blatantly pejorative comment like this could get modded up to 3. I find myself spending less and less time on slashdot lately, this will just about it kill it off. Find some manners!

Trilogy (5, Funny)

the_tsi (19767) | about 8 years ago | (#16134594)

This is the first part of a trilogy, actually. Chris Tolkien is co-writing them with Kevin J. Anderson, who is widely regarded as the finest science fiction and fantasy author in the history of either genre.

Re:Trilogy (1)

mateomiguel (614660) | about 8 years ago | (#16134621)

what? This can't be true. There's so much sarcasm on this board my sarcasm detector has been redlining for some time.

Re:Trilogy (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134623)

*slits wrists*

Re:Trilogy (1)

MightyMait (787428) | about 8 years ago | (#16134708)

It's been a tough day, but I know I can count on /. to cheer me up :O)

Motives in Question (3, Interesting)

moore.dustin (942289) | about 8 years ago | (#16134597)

While I would love to believe that this is not a ploy for more money, I find it hard to swallow. He had abandoned the book and his son decided to abandon, edit, and release it for sale. Now I do not know his son obviously, but one must ask themselves, "If he respected his father, he would not being doing this would he?"

I will read it though, that is for sure. I will however, credit the subject material to Tolkien while the rest will go to his son and his 30 years of editing. I doubt anything could be tampered with so much and still hold the same value as the original. Then again, maybe because it was not "finished" he fleshed it out - either way it is not a book authored by Tolkien to me.

Re:Motives in Question (1)

Paradise Pete (33184) | about 8 years ago | (#16134776)

Maybe you could, you know, read it first before you judge it.

I doubt he's hurting for money. Maybe he's thinking "If I don't publish these they'll be gone forever, and I'd rather not have that happen."

Dwarfs (4, Informative)

KrayzieKyd (906704) | about 8 years ago | (#16134598)

"Dwarfs" is only the plural form of dwarf stars. The plural for dwarf people is "dwarves". Yes, English major.

Re:Dwarfs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134650)

and the 80's hair band, the "Killer Dwarfs"!

Re:Dwarfs (1)

Bassman59 (519820) | about 8 years ago | (#16134772)

and the 80's hair band, the "Killer Dwarfs"!

Don't forget the 90s punk band, the Dwarves (famous for "Blood, Guts and Pussy").

I have one of their t-shirts. On the back it says, "Fuck you up and get high." Word!

Re:Dwarfs (2, Interesting)

Hamilton Lovecraft (993413) | about 8 years ago | (#16134661)

What a gross oversimplification of the actual situation! [upenn.edu]

"The OED cites a bewildering variety of spellings from various periods:

duerð, dweorð, dweorh, dwæruh, dweru3, dwer3, dwer3e, dwergh, dwargh, dwarghe, duergh, dwerk, duerch, duerche, dorche, droich, dweruf, dwerf, dwerfe, dwerff, dwerffe, dwrfe, dwarfe, dwarff, dwarffe, dwearf, dwarf, duerwe, durwe, dwarw, dwerwh, dwerwhe, dwerwe, dwerowe, duorow, dwery, duery, dueri
I don't know enough about the history of English spelling to be able to figure out what range of sound patterns lie behind that list."

Re:Dwarfs (1)

Mistshadow2k4 (748958) | about 8 years ago | (#16134667)

"Dwarves" wasn't the plural for "dwarf", as in the little people, until Tolkien decided it was. In Old English, "dwarfs" was the common plural, hence "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs".

Re:Dwarfs (1)

siride (974284) | about 8 years ago | (#16134726)

You obviously don't know anything about Old English. The plural in Old English was "dwergas", which would have developed into "dwarrows" (variations of this recorded through the Middle English period). "Dwarves" also shows up at times in more recent literature (past couple centuries) alongside the more common "dwarfs".

Re:Dwarfs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134905)

You obviously don't know anything about Old English. The plural in Old English was "dweirges", which would have developed into "dnearrows" (variations of this recorded through the Middle English period). "Dwarves" also shows up at times in more recent literature (past couple centuries) alongside the more common "dwarfs".

Re:Dwarfs (1)

Kelson (129150) | about 8 years ago | (#16134685)

"Dwarfs" is only the plural form of dwarf stars. The plural for dwarf people is "dwarves". Yes, English major.

And somehow, I instantly think of this exchange from Into the Woods: [sjsondheim.com]

It's no sicker than your thing with dwarves
Dwarfs! (Dwarfs)
Dwarfs are very upsetting

Yes, theater major.

one dwarf, two little people (1)

tepples (727027) | about 8 years ago | (#16134694)

To settle this argument, let's just pretend the plural of "dwarf" is little people [wikipedia.org] . Or would Fisher-Price sue [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:Dwarfs (1)

Bloater (12932) | about 8 years ago | (#16134715)

The Concise Oxford Dictionary makes no distinction between the two.

Re:Dwarfs (3, Interesting)

Yaksha42 (856623) | about 8 years ago | (#16134716)

Maybe it is in this world, but not Tolkien's. He actually wanted to make the plural be "Dwarrows."

"The real 'historical' plural of dwarf (like teeth of tooth) is dwarrows anyway: rather a nice word, but a bit too archaic. Still I rather wish I had used the word dwarrow." - The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, #17

Re:Dwarfs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134898)

The plural for dwarf people is "dwarfs."
Yes, English major with copy of the Oxford English Dictionary in hand (volume V, Dvandva - Follis).

My elven is rusty - please tell me... (4, Funny)

jpellino (202698) | about 8 years ago | (#16134611)

.. that "hurin" doesn't mean "corn". Cuz that would just be sad.

Whatever happened to his Beowulf? (3, Interesting)

Alfred, Lord Tennyso (975342) | about 8 years ago | (#16134613)

Slashdot had a story some time ago [slashdot.org] that they'd found a copy of Beowulf translated by Tolkien at the bottom of a box of his papers in the Oxford library. Supposedly they were going to publish them as soon as they'd deciphered his terrible handwriting. But I haven't heard of it since.

Re:Whatever happened to his Beowulf? (4, Funny)

Duhavid (677874) | about 8 years ago | (#16134844)

We have to wait 30 years for his son to edit....

Oh no... (1)

paulmer2003 (922657) | about 8 years ago | (#16134615)

......Lord save us all.

Obligatory... (4, Funny)

setirw (854029) | about 8 years ago | (#16134616)

Now, that's what I'm Tolkien About!

loorddd Riings 4 Reevengee of Kinng (1, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | about 8 years ago | (#16134656)

Long dead corpse, pen glued to hand, 20,000 volts, new novel in dead authors own hand. Profit!

name sounds familiar (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134658)

wasnt Christopher Tolkien in that pulp fiction movie?

"he hid that book up his ass for 30 years."

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134996)

That's the funniest thing I've read on here in weeks. Bravo, good sir.

Herbert's Dune Series (2, Informative)

zenasprime (207132) | about 8 years ago | (#16134689)

Brian Herbert has been doing this with his fathers great worlks also. I hear they are good but I'm scared to read something by an author other then the one who originally developed the story. Though I did read the Paul Preuss version of Arthur C. Clark's Venus Prime and I enjoyed it.

I've been meaning to pick up the Simillarion as I've heard nothing but good things... perhaps this will be the viral marketing ploy that will motivate me enough to grab a copy.

Re:Herbert's Dune Series (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134753)

Well, there's really only one thing to say about Brian Herbert's "work"... http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/10/15 [penny-arcade.com]

Re:Herbert's Dune Series (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134758)

I was very disapointed with the prequel 'Dune' books. They were nothing like the originals and not written to the same standard.

Re:Herbert's Dune Series (1)

Roland (61) | about 8 years ago | (#16134835)

I don't think they're all that bad, I get the impression that many who comment on them A) never read all of the first 6 dunes books, especially more than once, and B) Just like to bitch.

Re:Herbert's Dune Series (1)

NinjaFarmer (833539) | about 8 years ago | (#16134785)

The Silmarillion reads like one of those old epics, and is not a quick read at all. The first book is fun though.

Re:Herbert's Dune Series (2, Informative)

DarkProphet (114727) | about 8 years ago | (#16134789)

I've been meaning to pick up the Simillarion as I've heard nothing but good things... perhaps this will be the viral marketing ploy that will motivate me enough to grab a copy.

I highly recommend that you do. I scored a used hardcover copy on Amazon for under USD $20. As another poster mentioned, LOTR is but a footnote in the Tolkien universe's history. I've heard people liken the Silmarillion to the bible in that it can be a rather dry history, and that may be a vaild complaint. In my experience, though, it gets better every time through. The books included in the Silmarillion span from the creation of that universe up to the rise of Gondor. IMHO it gives the Elvish race much more depth (and also Men, to a lesser extent) than LOTR, and makes the friction between Elrond and Aragorn much more poignant.

Plus, thats how I found out who Elbereth really is and why people go around invoking her name all the time ;-)

Silmarillion (1)

Yobgod Ababua (68687) | about 8 years ago | (#16134845)

Exciting Elvish backstories answering questions like "Why is Galadriel so bitter?"
There were several ages during which it was definately not fun to be related to anyone who had ever seen a Silmaril... because they were DOOOOOMED.

Re:Herbert's Dune Series (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | about 8 years ago | (#16134855)

Eh. The writing is dry and painful as hell. I read War and Peace in a weekend and got stuck on the Simarillion to the point of never finishing it.

Re:Herbert's Dune Series (1)

RoboRay (735839) | about 8 years ago | (#16134933)

It took me seven attempts over a 20 year period to make it all the way through the Silmarillion. I'm glad I finally finished it... but never, ever, again (and I re-read LoTR every five years or so).

It's so dry it's almost painfull at times, but it really is a must-read for anyone who loves Tolkien's world.

Re:Herbert's Dune Series (3, Informative)

acvh (120205) | about 8 years ago | (#16134978)

No similarity at all. As young Herbert said in the intro to the first abomination bearing his name, he COULD have used Dad's notes to write the story of the Scattering as his father intended, or he could just write some backstory to Dune that he made up himself.

Bad choice, boyo.

Chris Tolkien doesn't write, he edits. He consulted closely with his father on the writing of the published works, and no one is more qualified to produce these versions of Prof. Tolkien's stories.

i don't care (1)

nixmega (972206) | about 8 years ago | (#16134712)

As a Tolkein fanboy... I really don't care if the kid's makeing money off of his father. A new book... YES!!! *excited*

Elves and Dwarfs? (2, Informative)

ko9 (946154) | about 8 years ago | (#16134727)

I can't resist correcting this text.. It's either Elfs and Dwarfs (the original official english rule), or the Tolkien style: Elves and Dwarves. Hobbits are still hobbits though ;-)

Re:Elves and Dwarfs? (2, Funny)

Kelson (129150) | about 8 years ago | (#16134763)

Hobbits are still hobbits though ;-)

Well, except to Gollum.

Nasty hobbitses!

Not that I'd point out Gollum as a paragon of proper speech, mind you...

Wow! (0)

cashman73 (855518) | about 8 years ago | (#16134761)

This is really great news! I can't wait for my preciousssss -- oops, I mean -- this new book to come out! ;-)

This is something most of us should be familiar wi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134796)

th.

Most of us, at one time or another, will have started writing some code and then realized that we were going in entirely the wrong direction. It is going to be faster to write it again from scratch than to try to fix the version we already started. We 'abandon' the old code. It's not a total loss though. There are lots of parts of the old code that can be reused.

I dread the thought of one of my children finding some of my old work. "Oh look, here's a program daddy was working on. I think I'll finish it." Oh my gawd.

better than the koran (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134821)

I wipe my ass with the muslims "holy" word. What a bunch of lies. FUCK ALLAH!

Re:better than the koran (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16134927)

stfu buddhafucker

These prequels are the best. (1)

ScentCone (795499) | about 8 years ago | (#16134864)

Apparently Matt Damon will be playing the Young Aragorn at The Westernesse Academy.

Gilbert Gottried will play the prankish young Gandalf (or, "G-Dalf," as he was known at the time, back when he was wearing his floppy hat all backwards n'stuff).

Dang, that beats Hemingway (1)

Deadstick (535032) | about 8 years ago | (#16134908)

...He was only eighteen years dead when he quit publishing.

rj

Dream tag team (1)

kabdib (81955) | about 8 years ago | (#16134934)

I know; Hubbard just keeps egging Tolkien on.

"Come on, just crank up that old ectoplasmic typewriter and shoot 'em another one. Herbert is catching up fast, and when Jordan, McCaffrey and Anthony get here, you've got to be wayyy ahead of 'em or you'll never get any respect."

"I thought you were in Hell. Aren't you supposed to be dancing on lava or something?"

"You kidding? My literary agents took care of all that."

incredible! i wish slashdot wasn't so jaded though (4, Interesting)

radarsat1 (786772) | about 8 years ago | (#16134936)

"Wow, that's great," I thought, as I read the title of the article. Then I made the mistake of clicking on "Read more..."

Man are you lot ever a bunch of depressed, jaded people. Almost every single comment has been attacking Mr. Tolkien for doing homage to his father's work. How sad...

(Please, no "You must be new here" comments.. :)

Good Stories from the Histories (3, Insightful)

GaryPatterson (852699) | about 8 years ago | (#16134966)

I always thought there were (at least) three really solid books to come out of the Silmarillion - the story of Feanor and his kids, the story of Tuor and Gondolin, and the story of Hurin and his kids. All three are much better in the History of Middle Earth series than the Silmarillion (which was an awful book if you liked to follow characters for more than a chapter or two).

I'm looking forward to a newly fleshed out story, although it does feel a little like Christopher Tolkien keeps on discovering just a little more each time, in a way that would ensure a steady flow of books. "Oh look, here's a bit more of the story!" (two years later) "And underneath that bit was even more of the story! It's a shame I didn't think to keep looking before publishing." (two years later) "Well, what do you know! Some more of the story! Who could've imagined! Stap me vitals and so on."

But I'm being unkind here.

I'd also love to see a movie based on this story. Especially since Morgoth would play a prominent role. Unlike Sauron, he actually has a speaking role in the Middle Earth stories, and is a far more complex and interesting character. That, and he's got Balrogs leading his armies. Not that they could fly of course (the eagles of Manwe really hated them doing that).
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