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Will the Wii Work?

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the like-a-charm-or-an-anvil dept.

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Today BusinessWeek is running an article asking Will Nintendo's Wii Strategy Score? With the Tokyo Game Show this week, they run down the trials facing Nintendo's little-box-that-could both here in the States, and in Japan. From the article: "Few expect truly dedicated gamers to choose the Wii over the PS3 or Xbox. And ultimately, the advantage may go to Sony. Yuta Sakurai, an analyst at Nomura Securities in Tokyo, expects the PS3 to sell 71 million units by 2011, compared with 40 million units for the Wii. Microsoft, meanwhile, is planning a stripped-down version of the Xbox without a hard-disk drive and other accessories that will cost about $250 in Japan, where the U.S. software maker has endured disappointing results."

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Will Wii work? (-1)

aliendisaster (1001260) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148393)

To quote The Daily Show:

Short answer: no.

Long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Mod parent Informative and me Redundant? (-1, Redundant)

thegnu (557446) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148455)

To quote Parent:
To quote The Daily Show:

Short answer: no.

Long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Re:Will Wii work? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148554)

Who the heck moderated this as informative?? This is redundant!

Bogus (5, Insightful)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148396)

Wii isn't targetted at "dedicated" gamers - it's for casual gamers or people who haven't tried gaming before. It might be a shot in the arm for the console industry as a whole, in fact. Heck, I haven't owned a console since the NES, and I'm thinking of getting a Wii ... I just wish they'd called it the Revolution instead :)

Re:Bogus (1, Funny)

jizziknight (976750) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148421)

I just wish they'd called it the Revolution instead
But then we wouldn't have all the awesome joke about playing with each others Wii.

Re:Bogus (5, Insightful)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148454)

I disagree. Dedicated gamers want a break from the same-old. It all comes down to the Wiimote. We've seen how different controllers can do so much (DDR, anyone?), but the Wiimote can affect every type of game you play. If the Wiimote charm wears off after a few weeks, the Wii could die a painful death. If they keep coming up with new and unique ways to get the gamer INTO the game (I swing the sword instead of pushing a button), then the Wii with crush the market.

I used to be a dedicated gamer (have a wife and kids, so I only play after 8pm on most days, now-a-days), and am eagerly waiting for the Wii...

Re:Bogus (4, Insightful)

Wind_Walker (83965) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148683)

I agree 100%. Recently I've found it hard to get excited about games which amount to little more than "same gameplay as last year, but shinier graphics". I want new experiences in games, not just the same thing with a shinier coat of paint.

The Wii is in a great position to deliver exactly that. "Good enough" graphics and real, true innovation in controls for the first time in years. And since it's not an after-market product which only a small percentage of the owners will have (like the Power Glove or eReader) then developers will be able to confidently use the controller in new ways.

Re:Bogus (2, Interesting)

tommertron (640180) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148713)

dedicated gamers want a break from the same-old.

I don't disagree with that. Many gamers are tired of the same old formulas. BUT The only problem with Nintendo trying to change things up is that they just can't shake their image of making 'kids' games. Tell anyone you know, hardcore or casual gamer, about the Wii and they'll say "But Nintendo just makes kids games."

Nintendo has to get some SERIOUS third party support or stop making games that look like pre-school shows. I love a lot of Nintendo's games, including almost all of the Mario titles, but hardly any of my friends will touch them because they look like they're for little kids.

Think about how popular a game like Mario Party would be if it were done in the genre of GTA or WWII.

Re:Bogus (5, Insightful)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148814)

Its popularity would be 0. Added elements of gore or warfare wouldn't add anything, it would detract from the fun. Stop thinking that the majority of gamers are 13 year olds with maturity issues- most of us have interests other than how much blood splatter is in a game.

Re:Bogus (5, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148989)

People have to stop associating a "mature" title with blood, gore, or anything of the sort. That's not what 90% of the people who want a mature game care about. I'm 24 now, grew up on Nintendo, and generally avoid violent games (played GTA for 5 minutes and quickly grew tired of it).

I still play a lot of Nintendo games, but they invariably end up coming off very kiddy, or rather "goofey". People often try to pass of "goofiness" as fun - it's not. Sure some games can be fun in spite of it, but it's not a good thing. Take Zelda: Wind Waker for example. The main hero is a pre-teen kid who is supposedly fighting monsters left and right (while adults stand around talking to this kid like he must save them). The base story is actually interesting, but it's interrupted by gimmicky things like a talking dragon boat. To top it off I'm watching this whole thing unfold via graphics that look like a Saturday morning cartoon.

Do I want any of this replaced by sex or violence? No. I want it replaced with a serious atmosphere. Try telling people that "Green Eggs and Ham" is just as good a book as "Pride and Prejudice" just because it's fun for all ages. You'll get some weird stares.

Re:Bogus (1)

Wind_Walker (83965) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148854)

Tell anyone you know, hardcore or casual gamer, about the Wii and they'll say "But Nintendo just makes kids games."...but hardly any of my friends will touch them because they look like they're for little kids.
Hang in there buddy - Middle School will be over before you know it.

Re:Bogus (1)

smidget2k4 (847334) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148979)

There are adult games on Nintendo systems, it is just not their focus. I think very few would call Eternal Darkness or Resident Evil kids games. There are plenty more too: True Crime, Gun, NFS:Most Wanted, Rainbow Six.

Sure, they have few exclusive adult games, but the ones that are, like Killer 7 or Eternal Darkness, are spectacular. I do agree that they need more 3rd party support, and hopefully the cheaper price of making games for the Wii will encourage both creative (easier to be more risky when there is less investment) and fun games.

Re:Bogus (2, Funny)

Thuktun (221615) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148484)

I finally got my kids to stop saying "Wheee!" after watching a certain Firefox ad. [youtube.com] I hesitate to think what will happen if they get a Wii for Christmas.

Re:Bogus (5, Insightful)

masklinn (823351) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148524)

Wii isn't targetted at "dedicated" gamers

I disagree. "dedicated" gamers (as opposed to the ricer-type that just wants "mature" because games without blood are "for sissies") want fun above and beyond everything else. They want good, interresting, quality games.

If they're available on the Wii, they'll dig the wii, just as they're digging the DS because it has awesome game and because the stylus makes many games fun again.

Re:Bogus (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148561)

That's a good point, and you're right - I was referring to "ricer" gamers. Also, when I said I don't own a console, I neglected to mention that I do own a DS :) I don't have many games for it, but it's a fun unit. :)

Re:Bogus (1)

tommertron (640180) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148740)

just as they're digging the DS

I own a DS and I love it, but I still feel like a nerd playing it in public, as I have yet to see ANYONE over 20 playing with one in public. But I see tons of teenagers and young adults with PSPs. Most adults don't even know what the hell a DS is, but everyone knows what a PSP is I find.

Re:Bogus (1)

AnotherShep (599837) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148794)

Well, this is going to be modded 'Flamebait', but I'll say it anyway. It's exactly the opposite in my experience. I have seen numerous DSes out and about, but the only PSP I've seen was being played by a retarded guy at a laundromat.

Re:Bogus (1)

tommertron (640180) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148831)

Not flamebait. It's just an observation.

Re:Bogus (1)

syrinx (106469) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148842)

I saw a PSP right when it came out; a coworker had one and I played it for a couple seconds.

Haven't seen one since.

But I see DS's a lot. Keep thinking I need to get one... but saving for the Wii now instead.

Re:Bogus (1)

EmperorKagato (689705) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148983)

I know a guy who is deaf that plays a PSP.

Re:Bogus (1)

clu76 (620823) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148572)

Though Nintendo is focusing a lot of attention towards the casual gamer, I think the wii has plenty to offer to the dedicated gamer as well. Being a dedicated gamer myself (been playing games actively since Zork,) I find it odd so many other gamers are willing to dismiss the wii, without playing it.

Re:Bogus (2, Interesting)

kinglink (195330) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148623)

This is the perfect console for ALL gamers. Casual will get into it because it's unique, die hards will get into it because it's new. I'm sick of block buster graphics and little gameplay. I'd rather an interactive/VR system than having more ground breaking graphics.

Graphics are good in theory, but new ways to play games work far better.

Re:Bogus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148652)

Always with the "casual" VS "hardcore" threads. I mean, come on! Blizzard added the Tier 0.5 quests for all you casual people, what are you complaining about?

Errr.... we're not talking about Warcraft, are we?

Re:Bogus (2, Interesting)

Salis (52373) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148687)

Hear, Hear!

If the Wiimote actually works as expected, then I think both the "hardcore" gamers AND the casual gamers will snatch this console up. The hardcore gamers will get it to experience a truly innovative gaming style (and for only $250, why not??) and the casual gamers will get it because a) it's cheaper than the others (again, only $250!), b) it's got Mario Brothers/Zelda/etc, and c) the Wiimote looks cool.

The Wii will Win. 'Nough said.

Re:Bogus (1, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148930)

Wii isn't targetted at "dedicated" gamers [...] Heck, I haven't owned a console since the NES, and I'm thinking of getting a Wii

I've been considered a hardcore gamer. I've toned down a lot (I take regular showers for example, once a week, need it or not) but I have owned the majority of console systems out there and blah blah blah wank wank wank, I don't want this to turn into a "nerdier than thou" contest because this is slashdot and I will lose and even if you win it's like the special olympics all over again. And the only console of this generation that excites me is the Wii. (Boy, does that sound bad.)

The other consoles still won't be photorealistic - even movies aren't there yet - and they will offer more trite gameplay because they don't have the controller scheme of the Wii. So, I could give a shit about those consoles. Remember, a "dedicated" gamer cares about the games, not the hardware. People who buy a game console because it's cool aren't gamers, they're fanboys (or -girls.)

I just wish they'd called it the Revolution instead :)

I think Revolution was a stupid name also, although on a lesser level than naming it after urine. "the revolution will not be televised" is what comes to mind with a name like that, and if it's not televised, am I supposed to stick the video cable in my ear, or my arse? No, not calling it Revolution was a good idea.

Console sales aren't super important for Nintendo (1)

Gemini_25_RB (997440) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148410)

If I recall correctly, Nintendo publishes (and develops) many of its more successful games, especially those starring franchise characters. The Wii sales will make some money, but, like the GCN, the Wii can come in second or third and still be fine for the company.

Re:Console sales aren't super important for Ninten (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148551)

Yes, but they'll make much more money if they come out 1st place: more console sales (they won't sell Wiis at a loss) + more game sales (the biggest your user base is, the more games you sell, the more money you make) + third-party licenses (having the least successful console means that you don't bring in third-party -- especially when third party games don't sell e.g., GameCube -- and therefore that you don't get either the mindshare or the license fees from them)

I'd say yes.. (5, Insightful)

joshetc (955226) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148411)

expects the PS3 to sell 71 million units by 2011, compared with 40 million units for the Wii

As everyone knows the PS3 will be sold at a loss throughout most of its lifetime, while the Wii will be at an unknown profit through its lifetime. I'd say thats pretty successful if they sell anywhere in that area. Even if they only have $1 profit per console thats a lot more profit than -xx million.

Re:I'd say yes.. (1, Troll)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148489)

I plan on getting a couple of those PS3s when a variant of BSD runs on them.

Don't actually plan on getting any games, I just want a cheap and powerful computer, subsidized by a company known for being anti-consumer.

I plan on getting a Wii too, and some games.

Re:I'd say yes.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148599)

Ah yes, since you can't buy a $650 computer with a 60GB HD that plugs into your TV and plays DVDs. Not to mention the huge library of BSD-specific games that are struggling on current graphics technology.

Re:I'd say yes.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148838)

Ah yes, since you can't buy a $650 computer with a 60GB HD that plugs into your TV and plays DVDs.

Nope. I can't buy a $650 computer that has cell processors and a bluray drive, with a 60GB HD that plugs into your TV and plays DVDs and BluRay DVDs.

Can you?

Re:I'd say yes.. (2, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148492)

Sure, the PS3 will be sold at a loss, but look at the numbers, they'll more than make up for it in volume!

Re:I'd say yes.. (5, Funny)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148667)

"Nice of Zaphod to sell us those weapons. And at below market price!"
"Yeah..."
"How does he make any money selling them below cost?"
"Oh, he sells a -lot- of them."
"Ah."

Re:I'd say yes.. (2, Interesting)

madhatter256 (443326) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148891)

I agree. If lets say for each PS3 sold, Sony loses $100 per console, whereas the Wii costs $130 to build but they sell at $250. This number is based on how much it costs to make the GC if they keep on making them the cost of making one is actually around $80, so the Wii costs $50 more to manufacture. Now lets say that Sony sells about.... 10million consoles before its first pricedrop, the same with the Wii console, they sell about... 5million (realistically) before their first pricedrop. And lets say that the time it takes for the prices of the consoles (lets say that they drop the price at the same time) is 2 years.

So, lets put all the numbers together. In two years Nintendo and Sony sell 5 million and 10million consoles, respectively. Nintendo makes a profit of $600million in 2 years. Sony loses $1billion. So, as far as hardware sales go, Nintendo wins. But what also counts are software sales, wehre the real money is made and helps offset that huge lose. Predicting possible software sales figure of each console in 2 years really can't be predicted so we pretty much have to wait and see.

As you can see, from a hardware-only perspective Nintendo succeeds whereas Sony loses. However, both companies also sell software. Nintendo has to make a profit on the hardware in order to compete with Sony and MS, because MS and Sony have the capacity to loose money. If nintendo were to make 25% less sales than Sony in that time (which is in rare for Nintendo if you look at recent sales trends) then their net-profit will match or exceed Sony's net-profit. That is, of course, if the current sales trend continues for Sony.

Re:I'd say yes.. (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148982)

I agree, 40M units is a LOT. I wish I could make a product that is considered a market failure at 40M units. An installed base of 40M is anything but a failure unless you lose more money on them than you get back with game sales.

Dedicated Gamers (5, Insightful)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148415)

Few expect truly dedicated gamers to choose the Wii over the PS3 or Xbox.
The "truly dedicated gamers" are planning on getting all three. Everyone else has a limited gaming budget, and the Wii definately has an advantage in that regard.

Re:Dedicated Gamers (1)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148602)

I half agree. MS has been trying to get people into the idea of buying both a 360 and a Wii - I guess a few people will. I'm not sure about all 3, I wonder what advantage you get from getting a PS3 on top of a 360 (and if that is worth $600)

Still, I consider myself a fairly serious gamer, or at least I used to be. I've always been happy just having one console at a time, there is so many great games to play on each console that you could play solidly for years and experience but half of what a console had to offer. I think the Wii will do very well. If you look at lists of best selling games of all time a hell of a lot of them are ninty games on franchies which will be on the Wii (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon) - It would have to try pretty hard to fail really badly

Re:Dedicated Gamers (1)

TrickFred (231420) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148750)

Truly dedicated != money to burn.

I'm a dedicated gamer, but with a second kid on the way, I'm not spending a month's rent on a PS3 without even bring a game to the sales counter.

Re:Dedicated Gamers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148823)

offtopic, but reminds me of how I need to move the hell out of here. No place around here would it be possible to live somewhere that I could have two kids (or one) and have the rent be as cheap as a PS3. my tiny studio apartment cost more than a PS3 per month.

if anyone's thinking of moving to the DC area: probably bad idea.

Re:Dedicated Gamers (1)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148889)

I'm jealous of anyone where a month's rent is merely the cost of a PS3.

Wii-doubting articles - the biggest thing... (4, Insightful)

urbanradar (1001140) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148416)

...since Wii-glorifying articles.

We're seeing quite a few articles in that style right now, and I predict we'll see several more before the Wii launches. Creating controversy is an easy way to get hits. And controversy is easily generated by suggesting that a point that was generally considered to be long-established ("THE WII WILL BE THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD!!!") may be incorrect ("...but will it work in the marketplace?!").

> Few expect truly dedicated gamers to choose the Wii over the PS3 or Xbox. And ultimately, the advantage may go to Sony.

The very point of Nintendo's strategy is that the truly dedicated gamer won't be their core audience and in fact only a small fragment of their audience. This seems like a non-issue to me.

Re:Wii-doubting articles - the biggest thing... (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148452)

>The very point of Nintendo's strategy is that the truly dedicated gamer won't be their core audience and in fact only a small fragment of their audience. This seems like a non-issue to me.

But the hard-core-gamer-mags won't admit that. The reviewers are biased towards more==better and the oooh-shiney factor. Since the Wii doesn't fit in their small view of "successful" they'll continue to dismiss it in favor of the Xbox360 and the PS3 that DO fit their need for oooh-shiney.

Re:Wii-doubting articles - the biggest thing... (1)

urbanradar (1001140) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148548)

But the hard-core-gamer-mags won't admit that. The reviewers are biased towards more==better and the oooh-shiney factor. Since the Wii doesn't fit in their small view of "successful" they'll continue to dismiss it in favor of the Xbox360 and the PS3 that DO fit their need for oooh-shiney.

Especially when they make decent money in magazine sales/ad sales/subscriptions by keeping their definition of "successful" so narrow-minded, one might add.

Re:Wii-doubting articles - the biggest thing... (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148568)

The Wii is very shiny though, it has the same apple-like coating that is used on the DS Lite. Much shinier than a PS3 or an Xbox360.

Re:Wii-doubting articles - the biggest thing... (1)

ILikeRed (141848) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148594)

I don't read any hard-core-gamer-mags, but I wonder what there take on the Nintendo DS is?

Re:Wii-doubting articles - the biggest thing... (0, Redundant)

everphilski (877346) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148581)

We're seeing quite a few articles in that style right now, and I predict we'll see several more before the Wii launches.

Wii're seeing quite a few articles in that style right now, and I predict wii'll see several more before the Wii launches.

Re:Wii-doubting articles - the biggest thing... (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148848)

I don't know. The most hard core gamers I know are all dieing for a Wii. Sure some of them already have a 360 and are also dieing to get a PS3 but the Wii is also on their radar.
I think the hard core will buy a Wii, XBox, and probably all ready have a 360.
The not so hard core will probably buy a Wii and wait and see if there is any game that makes the PS3 a must have. After all everybody knows the best games come after the system has been on the market for a while. So why rush out and pay through the noise for a PS3 when you have your shinny new Wii to play with.
That is the BIG danger for Sony. The people that decide to wait. If the Wii has really compelling games could cause people to put off buying the PS-3 for a while. I would bet that a large number of people that buy a PS3 will also own a Wii. I will also bet that a good number of people that end-up with a Wii will not own a PS3.

I hate to say it and I don't own any XBOX but Microsoft has some real advantages over Sony right now.
1. The 360 is a more mature system. The developers know it better because they have had it longer.
2. Development on the 360 is probably a lot simpler than the PS-3 will be. It is multi-core but at least the cores are all the same. The Cell cpu is going to be complex and it will take developers longer to understand it than the 360.
3. The development tools for the 360 are probably a lot better than for the PS3. Sony has never delivered great developer tools. Microsoft knows software development.
4. Microsoft really has done well with XBox Live. It works and people seem to love it.

Just my guess and from what I hear around the office. Oh yea an my wife wants to pre-order a Wii...

Bad News (5, Informative)

beckerist (985855) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148427)

...yet I've only [rottentomatoes.com] ever [wordpress.com] heard [digitalbattle.com] bad [yahoo.com] news [avsforum.com] about [gamespot.com] the [seekingalpha.com] PS3 [ign.com] . The Wii is the first console I've ever been excited about, simply because it's meant for my gaming style: multiplayer, social fun.

Re:Bad News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148508)

So what you're saying is, You're excited with the prospect of playing with a Wii?

Re:Bad News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148579)

Dude, I'm gonna play with my wii all night....and then play with my wii...

Re:Bad News (2, Funny)

Turken (139591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148721)

Actually, He's saying that he is excited about the prospect of having MANY PEOPLE play with his Wii IN PUBLIC.

Re:Bad News (2, Insightful)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148697)

The Wii is the first console I've ever been excited about, simply because it's meant for my gaming style: multiplayer, social fun.

Everyone keeps talking about Wii's multiplayer possibilities, but none of the launch window games are going to be online-enabled. This means you're going to have to play multiplayer with people ::gasp:: in close proximity to you!

Kidding aside, is anyone else worried that he won't have enough room in his living room to fit 2-4 people with arms flailing wildly as they try to use the Wiimote? I had enough trouble fitting two DDR pads (had to rearrange the furniture quite a bit), but leaving enough space for four people to use the wiimote may be difficult.

Re:Bad News (1)

jizziknight (976750) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148782)

is anyone else worried that he won't have enough room in his living room to fit 2-4 people with arms flailing wildly as they try to use the Wiimote?
You don't have to make wild flailing movements to use the Wiimote. The promotional videos are exaggerated. I'm sure four people could sit/stand comfortably in close proximity and not whack each other in the face with their Wiimotes while playing a game. Unless of course that is part of the strategy. Actually, now that I think about it, that's a good plus of the Wii. Now shoving your opponent while playing could actually affect something in the game! Sweet!

Re:Bad News (1)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148804)

Actually, now that I think about it, that's a good plus of the Wii. Now shoving your opponent while playing could actually affect something in the game! Sweet!

In college we liked to play full-contact DDR -- the rules were you could do whatever you wanted to your opponent to win, but most of the time the aggressor was the one that was missing more of the steps.

Re:Bad News (1)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148826)

You don't have to make wild flailing movements to use the Wiimote. The promotional videos are exaggerated.

You don't need to make wild flailing movements to use the Wiimote, but that doesn't mean people won't. If you've ever played a racing game with someone who likes to steer with her whole body, you'll know what I mean. Those sorts of players are flailing enough already with a controller that doesn't respond to that sort of motion -- imagine what they'll be like with a controller that does!

You can't win with the controllers! (2, Insightful)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148431)

ADVANTAGE SONY? Though the Wii doesn't boast all the features and processing firepower of its rivals, Nintendo believes its easy-to-use controller will give it an edge. The Wii's wireless controllers can be moved through the air like a virtual sword, tennis racket, or weapon to pinpoint targets in a game or rifle through the Wii channel menu.

You must provide enjoyable gameplay and a wide variety of game selections. Gamers do not simply choose a console for its controllers. To base your sales on the controllers is stupid.

Re:You can't win with the controllers! (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148605)

To base your sales on the controllers is stupid.

Exactly, Nintendo's "Touch Generation" touting the DS' touchscreen abilities and focusing most of it's marketting on it utterly failed!

Uh... wait...

Re:You can't win with the controllers! (2, Insightful)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148729)

Exactly, Nintendo's "Touch Generation" touting the DS' touchscreen abilities and focusing most of it's marketting on it utterly failed!


Yeah ...
      - The fact that the DS had games that were fun (and incidentally took advantage of the touch screen)
      - The fact that the DS provided a huge library (or an amortized cost) since it played GBA games
      - The fact that Nintendo was a virtual monopoly in handheld gaming when the DS launched ... all had nothing to do with the DS's success.

I'm not saying it isn't a fun platform, but if the touch screen were the only thing it had going for it, then everyone would have just gone with a PDA for their gaming needs YEARS ago.

Re:You can't win with the controllers! (1)

webrunner (108849) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148772)

Touch Generation is a different marketing plan then the "Touch, you know you want to" style ads in the early DS lifespan. Touch Generation is the super-series of titles aimed at the more pedestrian non-gamer : things like Brain Age.

Re:You can't win with the controllers! (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148650)

Again, the hard-core-gamer-mags won't open their eyes that things outside their notions of "good" (consisting entirely of more==better and oooh-shiney) might be successful.

Nintendo has been more consistant in providing enjoyable gameplay and a wide selection of games than the others. Yes, they lack in the FPS category, but again, the hard-core-gamers need to open their eyes and see other categories exist.

The PS2 has been out 5+ years. I still haven't seen any games for it that would compell me to buy a PS2. The Xbox has been out 3+ years, again, nothing compelling as far as gameplay. The Xbox360 has been out almost a year, and there's nothing compelling for it either. All have had varying degrees of "oooh shiney" thats nice to look at, but if I want nice-to-look-at I'll go watch a movie. If I want fun gameplay, right now the solution is the PC or the DS Lite.

Re:You can't win with the infinite rehash games! (1)

TiwazTyrsfist (997692) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148705)

So, which system is likely to have more enjoyable game play. The system with the new, innovative interface, or the system with the exact same interface as the two previous versions.

The system which will include well known characters in games with new settings and a totally new playstyle, or the system which will include 'new' character who are identical to the old character in 'new' games that play exactly like the last five installments.

And finally, which system will be more fun. The one that you can play immediately, or the one that has shown new extremes in the field of load time.

Besides, why buy a PS3 when you can get a Wii, 2 extra controllers, two games, and have a hundred plus dollars left.

Re:You can't win with the controllers! (1)

cmburns69 (169686) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148710)


You must provide enjoyable gameplay and a wide variety of game selections. Gamers do not simply choose a console for its controllers. To base your sales on the controllers is stupid.


People will not purchase the system just because of the controllers. However, the controllers are meant* allow the kind of gameplay that will attract a wide audience. Without the controllers, that gameplay is less likely to occur.

So, yes, sales will be based on the controllers.

* Actual gameplay may not live up to the hype, however Nintendo is betting it will.

Of course it will. (3, Informative)

nostgard (645633) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148435)

Nintendo is a staple of life for many gamers. Mario and Zelda are characters they grew up with. Even if it wasn't for the innovative controller, the low price point alone almost guarantees that many gamers will pick it up somewhere along the line.

The fact that Nintendo's console is selling for a profit also means that they don't have to sell a bunch of game titles to get into the black -- if a person never buys another product from Nintendo after the console purchase, they've already made money.

I think it will work for the price point (4, Interesting)

nsanders (208050) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148438)

I'm a 23 year old PC gamer. The only consoles I own are PS1, SNES, and NES. I do all my gaming on my PC (Wintel). My room mate got a PS2, which I never play, and while the 360 looks killer, I won't buy it for the price.

A $250 Wii? HELL YES! The price point alone is what does it for me. That and the new controller just makes it a lot more interesting then the same old systems with new graphics.

I think this will work really well for them. This will be the christmas present to buy for years to come.

Will We Work? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148473)

People on Slashdot don't work

They're delivering what we want (-1, Redundant)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148488)

Few expect truly dedicated gamers to choose the Wii over the PS3 or Xbox.

Really? Last I checked dedicated gamers were complaining left and right about stagnating gameplay, lack of innovation and "next generation" being nothing but prettied up graphics. The dedicated gamer wants the Wii (not necessarily to the exclusion of other consoles) because he hopes for new game experiences.

Re:They're delivering what we want (5, Interesting)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148607)

Really? Last I checked dedicated gamers were complaining left and right about stagnating gameplay, lack of innovation and "next generation" being nothing but prettied up graphics. The dedicated gamer wants the Wii (not necessarily to the exclusion of other consoles) because he hopes for new game experiences.

Somewhere along the line "dedicated gamer" seems to have been hijacked (by the media presumably?) to mean something like "compulsive graphics whore who will brainlessly follow whatever the newest trend is." Maybe it happened back when FPSs became the big thing when every "dedicated gamer" seemed to be upgrading their graphics card every other week in order to be able to play the latest game. Regardless of when it came about however i don't think that interpretation has ever fit me, and i like to consider myself a dedicated gamer, though perhaps one who has somewhat lapsed in recent years as i've had to learn how to balance gaming, a social life and a career. There may may be a few people out there that fit that negative stereotype but i really hope that the gamers who are actually _dedicated_ to their hobby are actually intelligent and thoughtfull people who will put more thought into their purchasing decisions than that. But perhaps i'm beeing hopelessly optimistic.

Re:They're delivering what we want (1)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148733)

Few expect truly dedicated gamers to choose the Wii over the PS3 or Xbox.

Maybe not *over* those consoles, but likely to compliment them. Unlike the past generation consoles, the Wii isn't a mirror image of the other two brands. The difference in game design concepts, the strong online potential and the strong focus on social multiplayer gaming make it unique enough to buy the Nintendo Wii, even if you do already own one of the other two consoles.

Aside from that, if we're talking "dedicated" as in hard-core gamers. Chances are they'll be rushing like hell to pre-order one just to not be left out of the "cool" crowd. I'd be very surprised if anyone pre-ordering an outlandishly priced PS3 bundle won't stack a Wii bundle onto their credit card as well. (In fact, this could be part of the reason why EBGames is stalling on opening Wii Pre-Order list. Maybe they're going to launch the Wii and PS3 pre-order lists simultaneously to maximize impulse sales while keeping the supply line for either console in check.)

Re:They're delivering what we want (2, Interesting)

nlawalker (804108) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148855)

My thoughts exactly. My only hope is that the relatively large and powerful (read: spends lots of money) "core gamer" or "dedicated gamer" marketshare doesn't look at the Wii and say "oh, it's a stupid toy, it's not serious about serious video games like my 360/PS3 is." To people who play video games, "dedicated gamer" can mean something very different than what it means in the marketplace.

Have you read this Penny Arcade? http://www.penny-arcade.com/2006/09/15 [penny-arcade.com] At the bottom of Tycho's first post, he makes an interesting point and links to a video of some people at a game show playing Metroid Prime with the controllers. The interesting part is that you can hear them talking about the controls as they play and essentially complaining that it's not what they're used to.

I have a feeling that what the "dedicated gamers" may see is something that essentially isn't a games console because it doesn't have a console controller. You can't play games on it like you can play games on an Xbox, PS1/2/3, SNES, or any other console that has come out before it. A dedicated gamer suddenly feels not so dedicated and not such an expert when they pick up the newest toy that's branded as a games console and they have to relearn much of what they knew about video games, and especially for those who care about "asserting their pwnership over the medium" as Tycho puts it, this will likely lead to lots of "elitist" video game players shrugging their shoulders and passing off the Wii like it was a new DDR dance pad: a toy related to video games, but not an actual game.

I think a greater concern for Nintendo, who is trying to shift the idea of gaming into the average joe's spotlight, is that over the past few years, the ways that video games have developed may leave the average joe feeling this way too. Everyone and their dog has played Halo, and that to them is a video game. Look at what has happened in the development of the ridiculous "PC vs. Mac" arguments: any average guy can jump into the flamewar and say "The Mac is just a toy, it can't run my games and doesn't do what *I* want it to," and more or less be right, because it doesn't do what he wants it to, which is look, sound, act and feel like Windows, which is what he has grown accustomed to over the past x years of working with computers. "A 'computer' runs Windows, and anything else is a stupid imitation and a waste of time." Well, the technically inclined among us know that that simply isn't the case, and the same goes for the Wii: truly dedicated gamers, the ones who enjoy playing games for what they are and that rate low on the fanboy scale, will agree with what you've said and will embrace the new console because it offers the potential of something different. The average person that is not overly concerned or interested in the video games marketplace, that in actuality makes up much of the "core gamer" or "dedicated gamer" demographic that market analysts refer to, may act similarly and write the Wii off as a pale imitation.

It is in the truly dedicated gamer's interest that the Wii is a massive success. Actually, I take that back: it is in the greatest interest of every single person who has ever even picked up or tried a video game, or ever will. Why? If the Wii fails, it may fully drive home the notion that although small ragged bands of true gamers here and there complain about stagnating gameplay and the lack of innovation, their voice really doesn't matter, and what will sell is sequels and rehashes and new graphics. Sure, people have tried innovative stuff before, but in my memory at least, this is the first time in the video games industry that an industry juggernaut has jumped into the fray to directly compete with the market dominators with something truly unique and different (I don't count the Virtual Boy: I don't believe it was ever designed to directly compete with the other major consoles. Maybe I'm wrong).

If the Wii is an abysmal failure, Nintendo will be kaput, regardless of the talk about profits on every console. They will have been reduced to a company that can no longer afford to innovate in any way, because when they tried, the market bit their hand clean off. I may be wrong, but I don't think Nintendo wants to play the underdog-with-die-hard-support game that Apple does; it wants to be a major market contender and leader in its area of expertise. Profiting on every console is great and will technically keep Nintendo in business, but the heart of Nintendo won't last if they sell millions and millions fewer consoles than your competition. To be a market leader, they will have to compete like everyone else, putting out better graphics and sequels. If the Wii fails hard, it will be firmly planted in every game developers mind that true innovation isn't the way to go if you want to sell games and consoles, and then everyone who plays games will be screwed.

Will the Wii work? (-1, Troll)

piratePenguin (885033) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148507)

No. The Will will not work at all.

Re:Will the Wii work? (1)

thoriphes (984506) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148656)

Well, the Wii isn't a Microsoft console, so at the very least it won't burn down your house.

Yes (1)

thoriphes (984506) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148517)

The price is right, the new controller style has some potential, and you can play older Nintendo games. Wii will rock you.

Target schmarget (2, Insightful)

iluvovaltine (1004099) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148522)

Goal of all games: Fun (or learning, which can be defined as fun) Can the Wii provide dedicated gaming, RPG or turn based something or other? (rhetorical question)

All this chit chat about game systems not yet released is like little boys talking about sex. The one who has already had sex keeps his mouth shut. He knows everything they say is bunk and will be debunked. The truth will be known.

People still play the Nintendo 8-bit system. Nintendo knows this. They know quality lasts. Each system has its merits. The PS3 has thousands of games (ps2 + ps1). GREAT! PS3 owners will have plenty of fun. Wii owners will have plenty of fun, too. More or lesS? Do you really care? The Wii will have plenty to talk about after release. The PS3 and xbox just do not have the new features to inspire discussion. The Wii WILL work.

Re:Target schmarget (1)

MooseTick (895855) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148680)

"All this chit chat about game systems not yet released is like little boys talking about sex. The one who has already had sex keeps his mouth shut. He knows everything they say is bunk and will be debunked. The truth will be known. "

What is this sex you speak of?

Re:Target schmarget (1)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148719)

Goal of all games: Fun (or learning, which can be defined as fun)

Call my cynical but I'm pretty sure the goal of all games these days are to make a profit for the company that designs/produces/distributes them. I hope that many of the games that I have played recently didn't have "Fun" as their goal because I'd hate to think that there are people on this Earth that can fail so miserably at a single goal.

Re:Target schmarget (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148951)

Call my cynical but I'm pretty sure the goal of all games these days are to make a profit for the company that designs/produces/distributes them. I hope that many of the games that I have played recently didn't have "Fun" as their goal because I'd hate to think that there are people on this Earth that can fail so miserably at a single goal.

The goal of whoever makes and sells the game is to make money. The goal of whoever plays the game is to have fun. Why else would you play games? To make sure they make money?

This isn't news! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148526)

Will the Wii Work?

What kind of stupid, suggestive question is that? We f***ed the PS3 already, now the Wii is next?

Damn... You really make me sorry for spending time on this "News" site...

sounds like... (1)

aleksiel (678251) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148541)

sounds like business week needs to stick to what it knows and let the gamers do the thinking about games.

Wii gets the highly vied after commune contingency (3, Interesting)

thegnu (557446) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148562)

I live with 7 other people, and we have a shared food fund, which overflows into a house fund, and I'm totally going to lobby that we purchase a Nintendo Wii with it. I have only ever purchased (or my household purchased) an NES, a Gameboy, and a Game Gear (with its whopping 14-second battery life), and yet I am called to this glorious machine.

My four-point argument for the Nintendo Wii:

1. Legend of Zelda with sword-swinging.
2. Metroid Prime with controls that rival PC controls. (Oooooh! A slogan: "Metroid Prime: get inside Samus")
3. 4gb flash memory for under $50.
4. $250

I however do not really like any of the Mario Kart sequels nearly as much as the original. So yes, Nintendo can break my heart. Will they? I hope not. I don't even think it probable.

Re:Wii gets the highly vied after commune continge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148703)

Even better : get inside Samus with your Wii !!!

Re:Wii gets the highly vied after commune continge (1)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148745)

"Metroid Prime: get inside Samus"

And next-gen's hot coffee scandal has begun. How long do you think it will take for someone to make a bootleg game that ...ahem... "uses" the wiimote in such a way?

Re:Wii gets the highly vied after commune continge (1)

thegnu (557446) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148824)

And next-gen's hot coffee scandal has begun. How long do you think it will take for someone to make a bootleg game that ...ahem... "uses" the wiimote in such a way?

Oh man, oh man, oh man. The sex toy dongle: "Finally, a dongle worthy of the name." Is there going to be a publicly available cheapo game API they release so you can program your Wii? That would be wicked!

Then the Wii really WOULD be for the whole family, including your creepy uncle.

Sounds like an old DS critique to me.. (3, Insightful)

stastuffis (632932) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148563)

..and now look as its place in the handheld market against the stronger and more advanced hardware that is the PSP. Bigger and badder does not equal better. Plus, I love how TFA claims Sony success without taking their idiotic tactics as of late.

I wish I had bought a DS instead of the PSP (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148963)

'cause that damn psp just sits around collecting dust. My coworker has a DS lite and he's playing the damn thing all the time.

It's getting old (4, Informative)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148586)

From TFA: "Nintendo thinks its game consoles--the Wii and the Nintendo DS handheld--will appeal to a mass market of first-time game players, women, and older consumers not typically drawn to this form of interactive entertainment."


and more: "Though the Wii doesn't boast all the features and processing firepower of its rivals, Nintendo believes its easy-to-use controller will give it an edge."


And finally: "There's also a danger that the Wii could cannibalize sales of the DS, which has been a smash hit with casual gamers thanks to its user-friendly design and titles..."


Acording to Wikipedia, total sales of the DS and DS Lite are over 26 million world wide. This is equal to their Gamecube sales and that has been out since 01. I'd say we can call the DS and DS Lite both successful. Seeing as sales for the DS Lite are still hot, I don't expcect that comined number to sit under 30 million for long. The author is full of it, or a fanboy. He obviously hasn't done a lot of research. Nintendo is no longer hoping that the DS will appeal to anyone. Now they know.

As far as the Wii goes, I know plenty of people who wouldn't buy a Gamecube because of its lack of 3rd parties. Though I own many games that are frequently requeseted when we get together like Mario Kart and even Robotech Battlecry. Well, ever one of these people is positively raving about how much they want the Wii. We'll see what they (and I) think after release. But I haven't heard one person say they don't want it. Reasons? Cheap, looks like fun, and "My [significant other] actually wants one too."

Nintendo won't have a problem with this gen.

Re:It's getting old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148818)

Personally, I think Nintendo's strategy with the Wii (to capture the attention of non-gamers) has already been very successful. After seeing a news story about the Wii on TV, my father (a 56 year old who last played games on the Colecovision) said that after I buy a Wii (he knows I'm weak for all things Nintendo) he would really like to try it out.

The fact is that, as much as analysts (and fanboys) think performance matters, what really matters for most system sales is that someone sees a game on TV that they'd like to play and is willing to pay the price of the system in order to play it. At $250 (and $200 after the XBox 360 has a price cut) most people are far more likely to buy the Wii than the $500 PS3 no matter how 'good' the games look.

Never owned a console in my life (4, Interesting)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148595)

I'm a PC gammer. I've been a PC gammer for almost 20 years now. And I have never owned a gaming console.

That said, the Wii is the first console I've actually considered buying. If the first 6 months look good for it, and someone makes a light-saber game that works with the Wii-mote, I just might buy my very first console.

What I am not interested in is a $3,000 system, which is what the PS3 or XBox is to me. $400-600 for the console. $1,4000-1,800 to replace my 48" projection with a similar sized HD projection. $200 for a few games and a controller, and $200 for new HD or Blue ray movies to take advantage of the HD tv and player.

For $250 I can hit the ground running with the Wii. Another $200 for a few games and a controller and I'll be pretty set for entertainment for the year.

-Rick

The Wii ha sa built in advantage (2, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148622)

The Wii has a built in advantage this analyst (as with most) seems to be forgetting, and that is, because the Wii sells at a profit from day 1, **Nintendo does not have to sell as many units to equal or better their competition** in terms of sales and revenue.

The 360 and PS3 may sell more consoles, and those people may buy more games. But you need a lot more more 360/PS3 games sold to compensate and surpass for the profit loss the companies are taking on the consoles.

I mean, look at the books of Nintendo vs. the Microsoft home entertainment division. Microsoft has way more boxes in the field, but is still way in the red. Nintendo is well in the black. And that's all that really matters in the long view.

Re:The Wii ha sa built in advantage (1)

Frag-A-Muffin (5490) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148834)


Microsoft has way more boxes in the field, but is still way in the red. Nintendo is well in the black. And that's all that really matters in the long view.

Grrr .. I hate this misconception. Microsoft does NOT have "way" more boxes out in the field. They are pretty close globally. (Unless you include the sales of the 360 as well, in which case, the comparison is dumb, cuz the Wii isn't even out yet) However, what *IS* true is that Microsoft lost about $4billion for their first venture and it's the SOLE reason why they rushed out the 360. They could not make the hardware cheaper over time because they "bought" parts to build the XBOX. They've corrected that in the 360 and they should be able to make production of it cheaper over time, however, don't expect a price drop unless they start to lose really badly to the Wii and PS3. (Case in point, the 360 is already cheaper in Japan, and the Wii and PS3 aren't even out yet :) )

This is getting really f-ing old (4, Insightful)

MuNansen (833037) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148639)

I guarantee you that I'm a more "dedicated" gamer than 99% of the people out there. I've been playing all my life, played almost every classic game and every sleeper hit in some form or another. I've played games on every platform, and I've played multiplayer games on competitive levels. I've played almost every MMOG in existence to some extent. Next month I'm joining one of the world's best game developers to work on what will be some of the next few years' biggest games.

AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE GRAPHICS ARMS RACE!! I WANT INNOVATION, NEW EXPERIENCES, QUALITY GAME DESIGN, AND HAVE A SHITLOAD OF FUN ALONG WITH IT!! THAT is why I can't fucking wait for the Wii to come out. It may not be the second coming, but the DS has proven to me that Nintendo means it when they're going for fun over graphics power. And if WoW, HL2, RE4, Shadow of the Colossus, and other games like them have taught us anything it's that you don't need the ridiculous power to have wonderful graphics.

So all those people saying "Wii won't sell to 'true' or 'hardcore' gamers" or "Wii is for casual gamers, non-gamers, and families only"...you can all fuck off. You wanna prove you're more hardcore than me? Let's hop in a Halo PC or Tribes: Vengeance server and I'll show you what a real gamer plays like.

And no I'm not bitter ;P Just tired of being called a lesser gamer.

YOUR LESS THAN A GAMER (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16148757)

see topic son

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Shooting Yourself in the Foot Helps your Enemies (2, Insightful)

Veetox (931340) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148651)

Sony's worst enemy is itself. I don't think their outlook is as promising as the article indicates. Nintendo should have no problem at least cutting a good profit.

Who says you can only have one console? (2, Insightful)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148686)

The argument is dumb because it supposes that people will only buy one console. I have a PC, a gamecube, xbox and ps2. I am not the only one. Funny thing is, the gamecube gets the most use for gaming (out of the consoles). Nintendo is not about to vanish from the landscape and is the only console of the new three that looks to break new ground in going after an audience.

Wii will make it (4, Insightful)

Rafajafar (217298) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148718)

From 3 to 1, one being top system:

Number 3 - PS3: The theoretical processing power in their 8 cells is fantastic. I've had it explained to me a few times by my friends (who also happen to be computer engineers), and it sounds like, if done correctly, *for the correct game*, it can be a real thing of beauty. 8 mini processors working in parrellel sounds great! However, if you know something about programming, you know that memory dependence is pretty important. For instance, if you do a simple loop, you have various operations dependent on one or two iterators. Let's say you assign these iterators to its own processor (yeah, stupid, but it's an example, k?) then that processor will be INACTIVE for LONG periods of time while another processor does it's thing. So in the most optimal circumstances, the cell technology is amazing, but in it's least optimal, you may as well be using a 386.

Now the problem isn't that the cell power can be optimized, it's just that there's NO TOOLS TO DO SO AT THIS TIME. That's right, it's up to DEVELOPERS to optimize their own code, and I'm going to be honest, the learning curve and time that's going to be spent doing so is just not going to help this system.

There's LOADS of other problems, too. Lack of units. High unit cost. Expensive cables that (opps!) aren't included. The fragility of the Blue Ray CRC (it's so dense that one tiny scratch can destroy an entire disc because it stops the error correction from even being able to do its job). And the lack of any real online system to be demonstrated.

No question, this complete LOSER this round is PS3. It's time to move Sony next to Sega at the E3 conference. I bet those two will have lots to talk about.

Number 2 - Xbox360: The Xbox is in a realm of its own. It focuses on games that are not innovative, but instead improves ever so slightly on older paradigms. In this, those "hardcore" gamers who enjoy playing the best shooters on a *controller* will enjoy the XBox (yes, I know they're coming out with new controls). Bloodlust, violence, action, and adrenaline are all emphasized in the XBox gaming system. Plus, it has a well established community of online players. Nothing new, nothing impressive, nothing to write home about, but very very consistent. Will not reach a wide interest, but reaches out to a market that is quite full of young angry males. And by quite full, I mean full enough to build an entire business off of them.

Number 1 - Wii: This is not because I was raised on Nintendo. It's not because I owned the Mario/Zelda Cerial, subscribed to Nintendo power throughout the 90's, got up early as a kid to watch Captain N and the Super Mario World TV shows, owned mario comic books, and even paid to see that crappy Mario Bros. Movie. I had all but abandoned that company after my two fav gaming companies, Squaresoft and Capcom, left Nintendo. I'm supporting Nintendo because after ALLLLLL these years of CRAP... I'm amazed to find a company that puts out a QUALITY PRODUCT, who gets THIRD PARTY SUPPORT for this product, who INNOVATES the market using this product, who will successfully INTEGRATE other products into this product, and who has made this ANGRY YOUNG MALE feel like a DOE EYED BOY again. Part of me wants to ask Santa for this machine just to relive the feeling of not being able to sleep at night, waking my parents up to go around the Christmas tree in my footies to open the biggest box first and show a level of enthusiasm that only a kid on Christmas day could muster at 4am.

Where to start? Old games. All of them. Downloadable (small price, price I'm willing to freaking pay). Eventual online play. Wifi. Wii controller. The most amazing Zelda game to date. DS connectivity. Reasonable price range. Company profit. Innovative games like Mario Galaxy. The return of third party support. And the list goes on and on and on and on.

Yeah, hey, this guy is clearly out of touch with what it means to be a gamer if he thinks that people are all about the PS3. In fact, fire this man. He's a bad reporter.

Lemme break it down for you... (4, Interesting)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148735)

Wii. Wiimote. Lucas Arts. Jedi. Lightsaber. Game.

It's coming. And it will mean Wii will be the platform to beat. The Lucasfilm presentation at Comic-Con showed some of the other aspects of coming Lucas Arts games, like the Euphoria system which allows for truly unpredictable NPCs, and introduces a little bit of volition in the Player Character as well. The demo only made sense when you thought of it in the context of the Wii and its Wiimote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjlFTihRwAk [youtube.com]

All a business reader should care about is (1, Insightful)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148820)

Nintendo always runs a profit on both the game consoles and the games.

And, since they're third-place worldwide, it's hard not to go up when Sony still doesn't get it that their console is overpriced.

With PS3 I can't see how not... (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148876)

The main reason why the Wii can't fail is because the PS3 is totally out of reach for many gamers and will so for at least a year or two. The XBox360, while a solid console, simply doesn't have much of a stand in Japan and without Japan, it is in throuble. That of course doesn't mean that the Wii can't flop, if the controller turns out totally buggy with calibration problems and what ever, sure the Wii might tank and a price of $250 and $60 for controllers is also a bit more step than good. However when the Wii will fail, it will most likly fail against the PS2, not the PS3. The PS2 still quite a bit cheaper then the Wii and has a very solid game lineup, something the Wii won't reach for quite a while, and unless the XBox and Gamecube, the PS2 still has a steady stream of new quality game releases and probally will continue to have for a while.

In the end I however think that Nintendo has done their homework to ensure that Wii won't suffer to much from technical problems, so chance of failure should be quite low.

I'm a dedicated gamer (1)

BIZKeT (636677) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148880)

I play my Xbox, Gamecube, PS2, Dreamcast, PC, board games, card games, ccg's, casual puzzle games, word games, outdoor games, etc. I am _so_ tired of the entire concept that my gaming has to be bleeding edge. I play WoW with the built in graphics chip on my mobo. My moded Xbox is used mostely for mame roms (on my 55" non high defenition tv). Hell, I own a 20 year old copy of Hoyles rules for card games. I don't want to pay $600 for a game system that looks hot on tech I don't want and plays the same f'ing style of game I got tired of years ago. Give me multiplayer co-op puzzle games. Give me some non-violent interactive entertainment that is not made for children. I have been gaming for over 25 years, since I first died of dysentery on a Commodore 64. Don't tell me that dedicated gamers aren't interested in the Wii. Now get off my lawn you damn kids!

Have I seen this before? (1)

Shihar (153932) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148906)

This is a stupid argument. I think it is pretty clear that bigger and better always wins over something "new". I can't think of a single instance in the past few years when a more expensive and powerful gaming machine lost to one that simply had an innovative interface and games to take advantage of it. Nope. I can't think of a single instance of this happening. *cough*Nintendo DS Vs PSP*cough*

The battle has already been played out. Round 1 has already been fought. Simply put, Nintendo won. The Nintendo DS absolutely trashed the technologically superior PSP. The PSP was clearly the more powerful and pretty of the two machines, but that didn't save them. The question is "can Nintendo win". The only question that needs to be asked, "will Nintedo win AGAIN".

Nintendo has already proven their concept. The only thing they need to do is repeat the victory they already have achieved once.

At that price, yeah. (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 7 years ago | (#16148934)

This Christmas I cannot afford a 360 or a PS3. I can afford a wii.

So if I get a game system this Christmas, it's gonna be a wii. Perhaps many others are in my position?
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