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Microsoft DRM To Get Even Tighter

kdawson posted about 8 years ago | from the schmair-use dept.


Toreo asesino writes, "Microsoft is tightening the screws on their up & coming DRM platform. First, Windows Media Player 11 removes the right to move music from one machine to another. According to their website, WMP11 'does not permit you to back up your media usage rights (previously known as licenses).' Worse, if you rip your own CDs and the 'Copy protect music' option is turned on, WMP11 will require you to 'connect to a Microsoft Web page that explains how to restore your rights a limited number of times.'" The Inquirer has an even more jaundiced take on Microsoft's turn of the thumbscrew.

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Ahem... (5, Informative)

tomstdenis (446163) | about 8 years ago | (#16153030)

You don't have to use WMP to rip CDs you know?

This is really a moot issue. I mean I hate Microsoft and all that they are, but seriously, just don't use WMP.


Re:Ahem... (5, Insightful)

EVil Lawyer (947367) | about 8 years ago | (#16153065)

It's not a moot issue because there are scores of PC users who wouldn't know how else to rip a CD. No one has to eat spinach, but when there was an e. coli outbreak linked to spinach, it was still newsworthy.

Also, it would be nice if one could use WMP to rip CDs without crippling DRM. When the news is about a piece of software that's installed on massive numbers of computers worldwide, it's newsworthy even if you don't have to use it.

Re:Ahem... (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | about 8 years ago | (#16153088)

Notepad can't read LF-only text files. That's more of a concern for me than this :-)

And why anyways? Even without the DRM crap WMP is still a nasty user unfriendly program. With more concern for style and gui glitter [hint: if you full screen your movies you can't see the fucking GUI anyways] than functionality or stability.

I almost universally use mediaplayer in Windows anyways. It works better and isn't so cluttered with crap.

In the Linux world I use a command line [mplayer, diff one] since again, I FULL SCREEN my movies...


Wordpad for LF docs (1)

Cybert4 (994278) | about 8 years ago | (#16153124)

I think it's not in the path, however. Oh, and also edit! It barfs on the 64-bit version though.

Re:Ahem... (1)

Fordiman (689627) | about 8 years ago | (#16153181)

Heh. I use MPlayer in both linux and windows. It does a very good job of handling almost all video media (I can never seem to get it to work with Real's stuff, but then again, it's not like Real is ubiquitous, or even vaguely pervasive).

Re:Ahem... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153315)

all the more reason for people to use linux! go microsoft!

(or just download winamp)

Re:Ahem... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153239)

When the news is about a piece of software that's installed on massive numbers of computers worldwide, it's newsworthy even if you don't have to use it.

Yeah, and like hearing about a virus that doesn't affect your computer. Newsworthy, but classified as 'On the lighter side'

Re:Ahem... (2, Informative)

Tim C (15259) | about 8 years ago | (#16153324)

Also, it would be nice if one could use WMP to rip CDs without crippling DRM.

I've not used WiMP 11, but in WiMP 10 go to Tools -> Rip Music then either select mp3, or uncheck the "copy protect music" checkbox.

I can't confirm that this works for WiMP 11, but from the linked article:

If the file is a song you ripped from a CD with the Copy protect music option turned on
which implies that it can't be disabled.

Re:Ahem... (1)

Compaq_Hater (911468) | about 8 years ago | (#16153066)

I fully agree but most OEM computer owners will unfortunatly :(, maybe some will use other programs like adacity or many other cool programs at Well i am off to work good morning to the rest of the /. community.


Re:Ahem... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153165)

Well i am off to work

Ok, flip 'em hard and flip 'em fast, BurgerBoi!

Re:Ahem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153072)

That's what I don't understand. I just don't use WMP and I just don't have to worry about it. And when anybody comes to me and complains, I gently explain that Microsoft and some other software makers put malicious code called "DRM" or "copy protection" in their products that causes this data corruption, and that they will need to re-rip everything, but if they do it with X other piece of software this time they won't have to do it ever again in the future.

Re:Ahem... (4, Funny)

russ1337 (938915) | about 8 years ago | (#16153155)

My (IT illertate) Boss, asked me one day "what is the best format to rip my CD's into?". I answered "if you want freedom and good quality use OGG Vorbis, but seeing as you and your family already have various players that support mp3, use mp3 but turn off 'protection' and set it to a high bit-rate"

Do you know what he did... burned it all to WMV.

So yeah, there are a few out there that use .WMV ... but if they are anything like my boss, they are idiots.

Re: Power of idiots (4, Insightful)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about 8 years ago | (#16153194)

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large numbers.

Re: Power of idiots (1)

Fordiman (689627) | about 8 years ago | (#16153205)

'cos there ain't no justice like angry mob justice.

Re:Ahem... (5, Funny)

joshetc (955226) | about 8 years ago | (#16153225)

Russ, this is your boss. You're fired.

Re:Ahem... (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | about 8 years ago | (#16153258)

I guess you forgot that WMP only comes with a barely usable mp3 encoder (only does 56kbps). Your only option out of the box is to rip in WMA format (unless your OEM was really nice and actually included the mp3 encoder for WMP).

Re:Ahem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153339)

Good idea, but increasingly more and more programs are requiring WMP. Like NVidia's DVD decoder. And BeyondTV. And ATI's crummy multimedia package. And on and on.

I avoid it when I can, but it seems that to not use WMP causes me to not use something else.

Re:Ahem... (5, Informative)

omeg (907329) | about 8 years ago | (#16153080)

I don't think that it's really an option to say to the users of WMP that they should switch. Afterall, most people who do are casual users who would simply like things to work without thinking about "better alternatives". The kind that uses Internet Explorer.

If Microsoft can get their DRM in with those people, it won't be long before it'll be used on an even larger scale. Instead of fighting to stop DRM from ever seeing the light of day (already a lost cause), you will be fighting to get its large scale usage abolished. And these people who use WMP: they're not going to switch. Ever. Microsoft should just stop using these tactics.

Re:Ahem... (1)

Compaq_Hater (911468) | about 8 years ago | (#16153175)

I understand that, i know most users that buy a Dell or HP ect machine will use what windows provides becuase they know how to use it and i am in no way saying they should switch right now. I just meant that maybe someday they will see somthing like Audacity while looking for an alternative to what they have thats all.


Re:Ahem... (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 8 years ago | (#16153082)

This corporate behavior is not a bug; it's a feature.

When the relatives call you, all furious at having been swindled by proprietary vendors, you say, "Hey, nobody ever got fired for buying from <vendor>, but they certainly had a blood pressure increase."

There is plenty of material on freedom available. The challenge is to get people to experience the freedom. DRM is AOK as a TLA motivator.

Re:Ahem... (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 8 years ago | (#16153213)

The problem is that most people don't care enough about their freedoms to care, especially with computers. They are certainly happy when the next patch to fairuse4wm is released, if they even know such things exist, but they aren't willing to give up the software they know. It doesn't matter that Amarok organizes music better (I have heard friends, especially musicians, comment on it), or that xmms is so much easier to use...nobody really cares enough to switch. To most, if they buy something, the people they buy it from have to right to sell them something with limited uses because...? Who knows? "It's business" is what I hear when the discussion is about software...

Re:Ahem... (1)

plague3106 (71849) | about 8 years ago | (#16153093)

Unfortunately I had started to use WMP because most of the other programs are crap or I need four seperate ones to do everything WMP does.

Also, my wifes phone requires me to use WMP to sync the music on the phone.

Re:Ahem... (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | about 8 years ago | (#16153106)

cdparanoia + lame, done. Well if you want pretty names add Grip to the list.

Winamp can rip MP3s too can't it?


Re:Ahem... (1)

Rob Kaper (5960) | about 8 years ago | (#16153260)

cdparanoia + lame, done. Well if you want pretty names add Grip to the list.

Very retro, but KDE users shall prefer the audiocd:/ KIO slave. Drag, drop, done.

Re:Ahem... (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | about 8 years ago | (#16153277)


Blashphemereerere [damn lack of spelling abilities].

I'm sure Gnome has some CD ripper crap. I just prefer the command line...


Re:Ahem... (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about 8 years ago | (#16153316)

On Windows, exactaudiocopy + lame.
EAC can use LAME too, it is a bit of configuration hassle but then it works like a single program.
It can also grab titles from an external database (CDDB IIRC).

Re:Ahem... (1)

schnikies79 (788746) | about 8 years ago | (#16153153)

WMP can rip to non-drm mp3 you know, it just dosen't by default.

I'll stick to itunes.

Re:Ahem... (-1, Flamebait)

mr din (1004285) | about 8 years ago | (#16153167)

Only complete computer noobs/idiots use WMP. NEXT

Re:Ahem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153189)

but seriously, just don't use WMP.

You just don't get it. MS doesn't give a shit about you and your attitude. They don't even care if every slashdotter boycotted their new player. Why? Because your numbers are so inconsequentially small. Slashdot effect? BFD. They could give a shit. In their big picture, you don't matter at all.

So yeah, so ahead and "just don't use" WMP. Ballmer isn't sweating (at least not from your laughable "threat" :-)

Re:Ahem... (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | about 8 years ago | (#16153221)

That comment was addressed to the people sweating the DRM in it. As in, this slashdot story is moot since you don't have to use it.

I don't care what MSFT does to their OS primarily because I'm not dependent on it. I use Gentoo for all my professional work.

It's like making a story out of the fact that MSFT painted the outside of their buildings bright yellow. Who cares. Look the other way. WMP is a horrible program to begin with. Just don't use it if this bothers you. That's what I do.


Okay, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153032)

Who the hell still uses WMP anyway? []

More reasons to get Vista, hey! (5, Insightful)

TheShadowHawk (789754) | about 8 years ago | (#16153037)

Even tighter DRM? Wow... tell me again why I should install Vista?

Re:More reasons to get Vista, hey! (5, Funny)

Patrik_AKA_RedX (624423) | about 8 years ago | (#16153112)

Because the warez version will have all the good parts, none of the bad parts and is provided to you at the real value of the software.

Re:More reasons to get Vista, hey! (2, Insightful)

_Swank (118097) | about 8 years ago | (#16153268)

but if the real value of the software is free, why would you want it?

Re:More reasons to get Vista, hey! (3, Interesting)

trazom28 (134909) | about 8 years ago | (#16153170)

Heh.. my main PC still runs Win98SE. I can't afford a new PC, don't game as much as I used to, and it plays the games that I enjoy anyway. It's a P3/1GHz, 512MB RAM so I could easily run XP on it, but if it's stable, and does everything I need to.. and I keep my computer secure via other means (firewall, AV, etc) I figure why bother. I'll likely put SUSE or somesuch on it at some point when I get bored, I just don't have the $100 to spend on an OEM Windows XP license and CD, much less affording Vista.

Thank God (5, Insightful)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | about 8 years ago | (#16153204)

Without all this DRM everywhere, I don't think we as a society would ever write another line of music. Ever.

Re:More reasons to get Vista, hey! (3, Insightful)

deviantphil (543645) | about 8 years ago | (#16153219) Microsoft TRYING to chase off their customers? Or is pissing off customers just a "feature"?

You ain't kidding... (2, Insightful)

StressGuy (472374) | about 8 years ago | (#16153265)

I think I'm just plain done with Windows. I'll either defect to Apple or (more likely) go exclusively to Ubuntu and purchase Cedega to run the games I have.

Of course, I say this recalling that, once upon I time, I removed windows from my computer and installed OS/2. I really liked OS/2 but, unfortunately, IBM apparantly did not.

Re:You ain't kidding... (1)

Justin205 (662116) | about 8 years ago | (#16153371)

Remember to use plain Wine too, as it can run some games better than Cedega, and may even be able to run all your games fine, depending on what you want to play.

Re:More reasons to get Vista, hey! (5, Funny)

Robotz (451860) | about 8 years ago | (#16153332)

Personally, I like to pronounce 'Vista' with a capital 'F'.

It feels appropriate, somehow.

Re:More reasons to get Vista, hey! (1)

Creepy (93888) | about 8 years ago | (#16153351)

If you're a gamer, because Microsoft is pushing Vista Only (DirectX 10, exclusive to Vista by cabal) games like age of conan [] and Halo 2 [] . I'm sure there will be many more that follow, and pretty soon a good chunk of the Windows gaming market will be forced into Vista through Microsoft's strong-arm tactics, whether they feel like they need the upgrade or not.

For that reason alone I will probably build a Vista/Linux dual-boot machine sometime next year. I certainly will continue to avoid WiMP for ripping, and I already planned to use my "old" PC's linux partition to become a "Media center PC" (using MythTV) if TiVO manages to kill my current Dish PVR. That 3 day thing would never work for me, as I often get weeks or months behind during work crunches. Micro$oft of all people should relate to that one.

nice (4, Informative)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | about 8 years ago | (#16153038)

This is beautiful. Microsoft goes even further in restricting your rights for material you already own (god knows what purchases will be like). Meanwhile, Apple has been going in the other direction, finally adding a "transfer purchases from iPod" menu option in iTunes 7.

Clippy (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153143)

"Look's like you're trying to backup a CD - I've just informed he RIAA. Would you like me to call you a lawyer?"

Re:nice (4, Insightful)

Aadain2001 (684036) | about 8 years ago | (#16153231)

I've always wondered at people who bash the iTunes DRM since it is actually pretty nice to the user (as you mentioned). DRM like Microsoft's is the wrong kind of DRM. It starts from the assumption that the user is a criminal and given the opportunity will share their music with millions unless stopped by someone. The DRM on iTunes, on the other hand, is actually very nice IMHO. I can transfer music to my iPod with no problems. I can burn playlists to as many CDs as I like. I can have multiple systems access my iTunes account (home, laptop, work, etc). MS is just shooting themselves in the foot and driving yet more people to iTunes, iPod, and Apple.

Re:nice (2, Interesting)

tttonyyy (726776) | about 8 years ago | (#16153254)

This is beautiful. Microsoft goes even further in restricting your rights for material you already own (god knows what purchases will be like).

Paranoia mode ON

And before you know it, it'll be applied to software as well:

"Your system has detected new hardware - please purchase a new Vista licence".

Pananoia mode OFF

Re:nice (1)

tb3 (313150) | about 8 years ago | (#16153295)

I thought XP did that already. Sure, they said it was a mistake ....

It's funny in a sad way (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153039)

how they still manage to speak of "your rights" when there are virtually none left to speak of...

unprecedented evile craves control (-1, Troll)

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Re:unprecedented evile craves control (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153356)

And that, my friends, is why you shouldn't use Babelfish to translate from Farsi.

I want more MS (5, Insightful)

MECC (8478) | about 8 years ago | (#16153050)

Also saw "Cannot play back recorded TV that is protected with media usage rights in Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 after 3 days". Man this so makes me want to get all tricked out with a Zune and windows break-my-media center, because they all look so nice and they 'just work'. This must be that 'microsoft standard' thingy I keep hearing about all the time. Standard - that's when you get to arbitrarily break things that used to work, right?

See - monopolies really do work better than an open marketplace of ideas.

oblig. simpsons quote (4, Funny)

i_should_be_working (720372) | about 8 years ago | (#16153151)

Man this so makes me want to get all tricked out with a Zune and windows break-my-media center..

Then, I will hug some snakes... yes. I will hug and kiss some poisonous snakes.

Now that's sarcasm!

Re:oblig. simpsons quote (1)

techpawn (969834) | about 8 years ago | (#16153319)

I was hoping for the "Buy Him Out Boys" quote where Bill Gates Wrecks Homers Internet Business

DRM (4, Interesting)

kaleco (801384) | about 8 years ago | (#16153057)

Between this and the Zune's 3 days/3 plays model of DRM, it seems like Microsoft are trying their hardest to confuse people as to when they can and cannot play their music. It almost sounds like they want to generate bad public opinion.

Re:DRM (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | about 8 years ago | (#16153135)

definitely sounds like someone (or lotsa someones) has more than a few screws loose if they actually think people will buy into this crap.

Re:DRM (1)

rolfc (842110) | about 8 years ago | (#16153215)

Isn't that what they have been doing all the time? Just look at all the people that don't like or trust Microsoft. The ones who like MS seem to be those that never understood that it could be different. Makes me fell superior. ;)

Re:DRM (3, Insightful)

oneandoneis2 (777721) | about 8 years ago | (#16153326)

it seems like Microsoft are trying their hardest to confuse people as to when they can and cannot play their music.

Look, it's PERFECTLY simple: Keep giving Microsoft large quantities of cash, and they'll let you keep playing music.

Any questions?

Re:DRM (1)

lightning_queen (861008) | about 8 years ago | (#16153373)

You have to admit, though, it's amazing what Microsoft can do to the average consumer and get away with it. How many other companies can work so hard to push people away and yet still have damn near a monopoly on their sector of the software industry?

The stupidity of the general public never ceases to amaze me...

Oblig. Star Wars reference (4, Insightful)

TheWoozle (984500) | about 8 years ago | (#16153060)

The more you tighten your grip, the more music listeners will slip through your fingers.

Re:Oblig. Star Wars reference (4, Funny)

kfg (145172) | about 8 years ago | (#16153122)

This just in; the revolution will not be streamed on Windows Media Player. No file at 11.


Wow - I'd better hurry! (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 8 years ago | (#16153062)

...guess I'd better rip off those ultra-cool default Windows system .wav files now, before they DRM the hell out of those too... :/


Re:Wow - I'd better hurry! (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | about 8 years ago | (#16153311)

Its not a fucking race... but i'm first!

Can't help but think of (-1, Offtopic)

RobertKozak (613503) | about 8 years ago | (#16153068)

Waterworld. Maybe Kevin Costner is a visionary.

With global warming melting ice and increasing the sea level I cant help but think that a countries Naval force is going to extremely important soon.


Re:Can't help but think of (1)

RobertKozak (613503) | about 8 years ago | (#16153095)

Crap. That sure teaches me to keep multiple windows open. This was supposed to be posted in this slashdot article. []

Easily by-passed (1)

Timberwolf0122 (872207) | about 8 years ago | (#16153087)

You can just direct the WMP11 play back audio stream into an OGG/MP3 encoder via a loopback on the sound card. Virtualy no loss of quality (well provided your not an uber-anal sound freak) and no more DRM

Re:Easily by-passed (2)

kfg (145172) | about 8 years ago | (#16153150)

You can just direct the WMP11 play back audio stream into an OGG/MP3 encoder via a loopback on the sound card.

I fooled him, Grandma, I put a license checking chip on his soundcard.


Re:Easily by-passed (2, Funny)

brunascle (994197) | about 8 years ago | (#16153162)

ah yes, the analog hole [] .

doing that could be dangerous though. you'd want to make sure the input wasnt being sent to the output, otherwise you'd get an infinite feedback loop. i blew out a guitar amp doing that.

This is just going to piss people off. (3, Interesting)

Z1NG (953122) | about 8 years ago | (#16153094)

I don't really listen to CD's that often, only owning three or four, and I don't download music (except when I get it for my wife, and then I pay for it). But this kind of asinine, punch consumers in the nuts philosphy almost makes me want to make copies of my few CD's to give to everyone I know. If only I weren't so lazy, and didn't still respect the rights of the artist. Will most consumers do anything about it though? Probably not. They will just bend over and ask for more, as Microsoft takes away any concept they might have of "fair use".

Re:This is just going to piss people off. (1)

aliendisaster (1001260) | about 8 years ago | (#16153286)

If only I weren't so lazy, and didn't still respect the rights of the artist.

Most artists are all for free music. Most artists want thier music to reach as many people as possible. The main reason for all of this is the record industries and the Metallica wannabe bitches. The artist makes most of the money from the live shows. Granted they make money from cd sales but when compared with live shows it is barely anything.

Re:This is just going to piss people off. (1)

Rob Kaper (5960) | about 8 years ago | (#16153333)

Actually, artists make money from merchandise. Tour revenues pay for the tour, CD sales for the recording studio.. any serious money comes from the merch.

One more reason to stick to CD's (2, Insightful)

slashdotet (992348) | about 8 years ago | (#16153100)

This is just one more reason Im going to stick to CD's. If I like the artist then I go out a buy there CD. That way I can play it where ever I want in what ever device I need. If it gets to the point the CD are so full of DRM then ill just listen to the radio for free. No DRM via radio waves!

Re:One more reason to stick to CD's (1)

kfg (145172) | about 8 years ago | (#16153169)

If I like the artist then I go out a buy there CD . . .

. . .from the artist.


Sigh. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153232)

> If I like the artist then I go out a buy there CD.

There wolf. There castle. There [] dictionary.

Excellent (3, Insightful)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | about 8 years ago | (#16153115)

Excellent! I knew we could count on the MegaCorps of the world to demonstrate the drawbacks of DRM more effectively than any consumer rights activist ever could. The more they tighten down the restrictions, the more people will be inconvenienced by DRM, and the more people will care. Perhaps, one day, they will even be enlightened about what proprietary DRM systems do to interoperability and consumer choice.

Why? (2, Funny)

MightyYar (622222) | about 8 years ago | (#16153117)

To what end? Why did they do this? At the behest of who?

I'd call them turd burglars, but that would imply some competence at burgling turds.

Re:Why? (1)

kfg (145172) | about 8 years ago | (#16153257)

1.To what end?

Monopoly of playback.

2.Why did they do this?


3.At the behest of who?


I'd call them turd burglars. . .

A tautology. See 3.


One of many reasons why not to use WMP (1)

trazom28 (134909) | about 8 years ago | (#16153127)

I've not used WMP much for many years, simply because it's become a resource hog. When I listen to music on my PC, it's for something to listen to while I work. For that, I don't need a huge program taking up system taskbar space, or screen space. I have relied on winamp classic for years, just because of this. It's got all the functions, it plays the music I like, and I don't have to deal with WMPs crap.

it's obvious (5, Insightful)

oohshiny (998054) | about 8 years ago | (#16153130)

Microsoft is trying to kill DRM.

Re:it's obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153201)

I wish.

Re:it's obvious (2, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | about 8 years ago | (#16153261)

Obviously so. They are putting all that bad crap DRM really is so blatantly on display that nobody with a sane mind could say it's a good idea (well, unless he'd profit from it, of course).

If I was the RIAA, I'd sue them for bad publicity.

Hahaha... (0, Flamebait)

Khyber (864651) | about 8 years ago | (#16153137)

Right now, every Linux distro should be touting "We won't restrict you like Microsoft will, we're more secure, and we're FREE. The more you support us, the better our free software becomes!" as the advertising campaign to get people to migrate from Windows to Linux.

Re:Hahaha... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 8 years ago | (#16153352)

It's always been that way, it never did swing people. Why would it now?

Though I do hope that now, when people really start to feel what DRM means, how inconvenient using Windows is becoming, that they will find that Linux is actually quite convenient. Hell, at least there my stuff WORKS without me jumping through hoops, signing this or that meaningless agreement and handing out all my personal information including the blood group of my firstborn.

Correction (4, Funny)

Orange Crush (934731) | about 8 years ago | (#16153142)

'connect to a Microsoft Web page that explains how to restore your rights a limited number of times.'

Summary mispelled privileges and missed the last part of the sentence: "you filthy theiving consumer SCUM!"

This is GOOD NEWS! (0, Troll)

ealbers (553702) | about 8 years ago | (#16153178)

The more MS does this, the more LINUX will win! We should encourage this behavior out of the evil empire!

Re:This is GOOD NEWS! (2, Insightful)

hal2814 (725639) | about 8 years ago | (#16153312)

Yeah because instead of downloading one of the myriad of other Windows software programs that rip CDs to DRMless formats, I'm going to switch operating systems instead. Ripping CDs is not an OS issue. Please don't try to make it one.

You know why it's ok? (4, Funny)

Chabil Ha' (875116) | about 8 years ago | (#16153186)

Because it's a Genuine Advantage to do so. HAH!

In other news (1)

Konster (252488) | about 8 years ago | (#16153209)

....Redmond today announced the final name of Windows codenamed Vista. In final release form it will be called DRM/OS 3. Pundits quipped that Dynamic Recursive Media 3.0 should be called Dynamic Non Recursive Media 3.0, and noted that the EULA requires the end user to send their entire music and movie collection to Bill Gates, the RIAA and MPAA.

Illegal? (2, Interesting)

truthsearch (249536) | about 8 years ago | (#16153246)

Won't these changes actually be illegal in some European countries? Some countries make certain restrictions on copying illegal, or at least that's what I've read in many /. comments. Will Microsoft have to release a different version of the software in Europe?

Taking on iTunes With This?!?!? (1)

fz00 (466988) | about 8 years ago | (#16153251)

This may have made the RIAA happy but it's not going to make customers happy at all. Apple has mastered the art of the latter and that's why they'll continue to dominate. Everyone complains about Apple's DRM but the reality is that mp3s are readily available and they have a decent and fair policy with regards to DRM. Microsoft can't be serious about taking on iTunes by offering less. Period.

Workarounds (3, Informative)

Peter Trepan (572016) | about 8 years ago | (#16153269)

Workarounds can be found here [] and here [] .

Dont p*** off Joe Sixpack (4, Insightful)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about 8 years ago | (#16153275)

OK, Joe Sixpack does not know much. Blindly uses the default programs. IE, WMP whatever. Cant even tell where OS ends and applications begin. And MSFT takes him for a ride and locks his content to one PC and does what most monopolies do when they think their control will last forever.

Isn't that normal? Isn't that what will eventually provide a market correction? Eventually Joe is going to find that 500$ worth of music he has bought over the last two years is locked into a dying PC or a stolen Zune and he has to pay all over again to get his music back. Then his friend Smartli Nuxuser tells him why he would never have that predicament at the watercooler. Happens repeatedly. Gets retold repeatedly. Joe gets mad

When Joe Sixpacks gets mad, he really gets mad. He sues left right and center. Start class action lawsuits. When CA builds million miles of highways and sues the car makers fo CO2 emissions, why cant Joe Sixpack sue MSFT? It can write all the EULA it wants, but when you get millions of Joe Sixpacks mad, all bets are off.

Who the heck... (2)

beckerist (985855) | about 8 years ago | (#16153276)

Who the heck keeps the 'Copy protect music' option on anyway?

Wow! Who would have thought? (2, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | about 8 years ago | (#16153284)

'connect to a Microsoft Web page that explains how to restore your rights a limited number of times.'

I never thought I'd see MS advertising Linux. Or ... wait, can't be. They're talking about restoring it only a limited number of times. Not permanently.

What a scam.

Machiavelly at work (2, Insightful)

Qbertino (265505) | about 8 years ago | (#16153314)

This is the typical machiavellian style corporate/political anouncement. They'll tune down a little on the real DRM just before release and then all the dumbass ords will say "No, they changed that. It's not that bad as you say. MS are nice people and they build cool stuff." In the end people will get screwed over .... and they'll probably approve.

Welcome to the world of cyberpunk.

Not To Be A Fanboy, But... (4, Insightful)

CheeseburgerBrown (553703) | about 8 years ago | (#16153335)

This comment should in no way be taken as an overall endorsement of an Apple-boner worldview but, let's face it, there is something fundamental about music and people that the Jobsian camp "gets" that the Redmonites don't.

One significant reason why the iPod -- crippled as it is under its own DRM and Applephilic burdens -- was/is such a success is because it makes the experience of selecting and playing back popular music comparatively easy, even for people with shrunken frontal lobes and/or other severe cognitive challenges (retardation, ADHDADDADHD, neoconservatism, etc.). Even my grandma knows how to rip CDs into her library and stick them on her iPod.

The relative transparency of the process means that my grandma doesn't have to call a geek to help her. This means the obstacles between her and what she wants to listen to are minimal. Basically, it's easy. The rights management is sufficiently flexible that she doesn't know or care that it is there.

This Microsoft DRM scheme, in contrast, sounds very visible.

No matter how smoothly or non-smoothly it works, the visibility in and of itself will intimidate/frustrate/frighten much of the herd. Anything that requires an explanation -- even a simple one -- cuts scads off of the numbers of potential customers.

The perception of simplicity sells Apple products, for good or for ill. Until Microsoft understands this, they'll be playing catch up forever.

Marketshare does not equal mindshare. Evidently.

Re:Not To Be A Fanboy, But... (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | about 8 years ago | (#16153364)


When did they start selling those?

This DRM will backfire (3, Interesting)

AB3A (192265) | about 8 years ago | (#16153337)

I read recently that 7" vinyl record singles are starting to sell again. I guess people like the idea that they can sell, resell, and re-record their music. It may not be a CD one could rip, but at least it can't infect your computer with a rootkit while you weren't looking. People just want to listen to music they like. They'll pay once for the privilige of owning a recording. However, they won't pay attention to any ephemeral bit of legal nonsense which keeps them from using the recording wherever they might like in their personal lives.

This unilateral effort Microsoft is attempting is doomed. Other OS vendors will eat Microsoft's home PC market away when it becomes clear that they can do what Microsoft will not. The work PC market will continue to thrive based upon inertia of the PHB class of managers.

As for RIAA, their online sales will fizzle as they focus on more DRM, while the very musicians they recruit get disgusted and start voting with their feet.

Once Microsoft puts this thing on the market, I look forward to new lawsuits from RIAA against other OS firms, saying in effect that Microsoft does DRM, and you should too. We can look forward to whole new classes of peer to peer music rips. We can expect RIAA's online sales to fizzle. And over the very long haul, I expect the RIAA to shrivel in to an agency for lawyer welfare once their cash cow has left the barn and she discovered that it really isn't too bad outside.

If you RTFA... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153340)'d see that this was taken from the BETA ISSUES section of the WMP11 documentation.

I love stuff like this (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16153342)

Anyone who uses Microsoft products deserves every migrane headache and deep, unlubed ass raping they get. Fuck you to burning hell for continuing to support this gigantic, corporate, soul-sucking roadblock to true innovation. Yeah, flamebait or troll. Fuck you again. You know I am right.

So what's really going on? (1)

NXprime (573188) | about 8 years ago | (#16153344)

We know Microsoft is abandoning their partners and creating their own store & music players. Was this done to hurt their competition? What will Zune's license restrictions be because it doesn't use WMP 11. To me, it seems like this was done for the competition because most of them are subscription services and not to permanently own anyway. That and WMP11 is in beta. Or its because MS can't fix their security holes. Who knows, who cares. I use iTunes for a few songs here and their and rip my music from CD's.

To quote someone who knows their stuff... (0, Redundant)

devstuff (1004268) | about 8 years ago | (#16153370)

The tighter you squeeze, the more systems will slip through your fingers..

you get the point.

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