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MIT on Comics and Micropayments

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the micro-comic-entertainments dept.

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Snotty Pippen writes "Henry Jenkins, Chair of MIT's Comparative Media Department, has posted 'Comics and Micropayments: An Interview with Todd Allen.' Todd Allen is a professor/consultant with a book on the business of comics. The two discuss a number of online business models and web comics, ranging from the print-to-web migrants like Girl Genius and Finder to the print-to-web download of Flying Friar; the long tail as a driving source for reprints & back-issues; and PayPal's effect on micropayments. All-in-all, a fairly comprehensive round-up of the industry."

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57 comments

How to Make Money in Online Comics (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16160266)

1. Get mentioned in a book by an MIT guy
2. Get a link from slashdot
3. ???
4. Profit!

Re:How to Make Money in Online Comics (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16160420)

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The webcomic #3. (2, Insightful)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160608)

Keep current with updates.

Seriously, I've seen some really good comics die online because the author didn't keep a regular update scheculd. VG Cats [vgcats.com] almost went this way, but managed to recover.

Re:The webcomic #3. (1)

pshumate (1004477) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160633)

I'll second that. Achewood [achewood.com] seems to get away without a regular update schedule, but I can't think of any other very popular comics that do it. Sure, sure, PvP posts late at night, but it's still every day.

Re:The webcomic #3. (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161433)

Yeah, I gave up on Sluggy Freelance and Clan of the Cats, about year ago, due to low updates. Sucks for them, 'cause comics aren't easy to do but then you have Schlock Mercenary [schlockmercenary.com] and Irregular Web Comics [irregularwebcomic.net] updating everyday for years.

How to make money from comics and micropayments[*] (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16160299)

How to make money from comics and micropayments[*]

#1 write a book
#2 do interviews
#3 appear on popular internet sites
#4 profit!

[*]no micropayments or comics needed.

DC and Marvel (4, Interesting)

Silver Sloth (770927) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160320)

DC offers little more than a few pages of previews. One occasionally hears rumblings, but DC seems to be a little on the web-phobic side, to look at their actions.

Marvel continues to waffle. They stepped back from their web comics, then returned to them with a strategy geared more towards promotion of upcoming collected editions. Their initiative of late have been establishing a wiki and instituting some editorial blogs. On the other hand, Marvel also issued a survey about attitudes towards digital downloads, including questions on how much the consumer would be willing to pay for one. So with Marvel, they're definitely thinking about it, if not jumping to action.

So, it looks like, as with the music industry, the established players are scared/hesitating over using these new web tube things, whilst the smaller independants are stealing a march on them. Apart from the one's mentioned, UF must be every geek's favourite example of how to make a living from offering a web comic.

Re:DC and Marvel (2, Insightful)

pizza_milkshake (580452) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160327)

Those with the most to lose gamble less.

Re:DC and Marvel (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160343)

And those who don't gamble never win.

Re:DC and Marvel (3, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160446)

How To Make a Fortune Gambling:

1. Buy a lottery ticket
2. Win!
3. Stop buying lottery tickets

KFG

Re:DC and Marvel (1)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160607)

Lottery tickets aren't gambling once the jackpot, in dollars, exceeds the odds against.

Then it's a perfectly legitimate risk/reward investment proposition.

Re:DC and Marvel (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160666)

Lottery tickets aren't gambling once the jackpot, in dollars, exceeds the odds against.

We call that a Certificate of Deposit.

KFG

Re:DC and Marvel (1)

Gospodin (547743) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160731)

Lottery tickets aren't gambling once the jackpot, in dollars, exceeds the odds against. Then it's a perfectly legitimate risk/reward investment proposition.

Before your IPO, you may wish to consider the fact that the jackpot is split when there are multiple winners. Trust me, the expectation never exceeds the cost of a lottery ticket. In fact, it's usually under 25% of the cost.

Re:DC and Marvel (2, Funny)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160838)

Perhaps I should have explicitly stated that I wasn't being particularly serious.

Of course it's a ridiculous claim, posted in response to a clearly not-serious post.

Crikey.

Gambling == Lack of certainty (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161597)

Please. A bet can have a good expected value [wikipedia.org] and still be a gamble. Suppose the lottery jackpot is $2 million, and each $1 lottery ticket has a million-to-one chance of winning. Then the expected value of each ticket is very good indeed. But that doesn't mean you should cash out your $100K 401K to buy lottery tickets: the expected value of your lottery tickets may be $200K, but you still only have a 1 in 10 chance of scoring the $2 million jackpot. A good bet, but not one you should make unless you can afford to lose. That's gambling by any measure.

Re:DC and Marvel (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161652)

You just go ahead and find me that lottery.

Re:DC and Marvel (3, Interesting)

Danathar (267989) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160585)

What's stupid is I have money that'd I'd GLADLY give them to be able to get subscriptions of comic books that I enjoyed way back when I was younger. Comic fans understand (I think..but I could be wrong) that he continuation of their favorite series is based on SALES. Yes, you can download scanned comics off of bittorrent, but I'd gladly PAY to read those comics if I knew it influenced in some way the future publication of comics I want to read.

I'm out of the collector "phase", I don't need/want boxes of comics in my basement.

DC and Marvel-Print vs digital. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16162867)

"I'm out of the collector "phase", I don't need/want boxes of comics in my basement."

You still haven't addressed ALL the advantages of print over digital. There's a reason libraries and bookstores still exist. And it has little to do with being a "collector".

Re:DC and Marvel (2, Insightful)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161428)

So, it looks like, as with the music industry, the established players are scared/hesitating over using these new web tube things

And on top of that effect, DC has the disadvantage of being a subsidiary of Time Warner -- which means that even if DC thought it was a great idea, they'd have to convince their higher-ups to go for it.

Re:DC and Marvel (1)

jafac (1449) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161475)

Here's what they're afraid of:

Net Neutrality.

They're afraid that what they put up on line, any competitor can freely get up there, and undercut them on prices, because reproduction costs are zero.

As soon as Net Neutrality goes, and the content producers align themselves with the distributors in vertically integrated markets, then they'll put this stuff on line. They'll be able to control the marketing message, and competitors' content, and they'll be able to charge whatever people are willing to pay in a locked-in market segment.

This would not be the case if most large content companies weren't already largely vertically integrated (giving them a proof-of-concept). They're just waiting for the right regulatory environment; and they know that's coming, because they've already bought their politicians.

Re:DC and Marvel (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 7 years ago | (#16165849)

The Usar Freindly example, if you've been following the history:

  1. Learn to spell and draw at an 8 year old level.
  2. Post scribbles about OMG tar zip my lunix squid over ssh.
  3. Make $10 from selling a t-shirt.
  4. Employ all your parasite stoner friends in preparation for the inevitable transformation into corporate multimedia megatitan.
  5. OMG TEH DOT CON BUBBLE HAS BURST.
  6. Go back to being one guy doing scribbles, with your college roommate as your "Part time Vice President of selling manga porn ads".
  7. Profit, kinda.

I have to admire the guy's persistence. He's a tone deaf opera singer who just won't take "STFU" as an answer.

Finder! (4, Informative)

EReidJ (551124) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160374)

If you have not read Finder [lightspeedpress.com] then you are missing the best thing going on in independent comics today. Aboriginal Sci-Fi, set in a future world with a mix of technology and industrial-age mentalities. It helps to read everything in order, and only the recent stuff is available online. If you don't want to start with the big 2-book, 14-issue trade paperback that begins the whole set (called "Sin-Eater"), let me recommend just purchasing "King of the Cats", or seeing if your local library has it. It's her best book, just four issues, and is almost guaranteed to get you hooked. I've been reading this title now for close to years, since it first started, and it's the only thing I continually come back to, month after month.

Re:Finder! (2, Funny)

ikkonoishi (674762) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160507)

You forgot to mention NSFW.

I prefer Schlock Mercenary [schlockmercenary.com] myself which is family friendly, funny, and (this one is important) actually available in its entirety online.

Re:Finder! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16161265)

What is NSFW about Finder? (This isn't a snarky comment; I honestly am unaware of what you are referring to.) I'll concede that I haven't read much of it, but to me it certainly doesn't scream "NSFW" at first glance.

I'll concede that Schlock is a fine comic if one enjoys a comedic twist on military SF, which, much to my surprise, I do. As long as we're recommending webcomics, my favourites are Scary Go Round [scarygoround.com] and its precursor Bobbins [bobbins.org] , Sinfest [sinfest.net] , and dinosaur comics [qwantz.com] , though the latter is certainly pushing the envelopes of "webcomicness"(but that, of course, is part of what makes it so great).

Re:Finder! (2, Informative)

ikkonoishi (674762) | more than 7 years ago | (#16168509)

I would say its the two women yelling about being raped on the latest page, and the naked dude laying unconcious in the one before that. Might be more interesting if I actually knew what was going on.

Re:Finder! (1)

lostboy2 (194153) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160603)

I'll add a vote for Finder! Definitely a good read.

Another good (albeit, finite) indy series that is now online is Wandering Star [teriwood.com] by Teri S Wood. The first four issues are online (scanned into PDF, it looks like); the rest you can buy on CD.

Re:Finder! (1)

Speare (84249) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161459)

If it helps to read everything in order, as in, get to know the characters at the beginning, but that part is not available online, how does the author expect people to get into the comic enough to buy the dead tree edition? Am I expected to read the most recent strips, decide wow it's nice but I don't understand what's going on, but if I plunk down $20 on the old junk I'm sure it will make sense and I will really dig it? This is a part of that "long tail revenue" discussion here: people want to have access to the old obscure bits because that can fuel interest in the rest of the catalogue.

Re:Finder! (1)

redtape (37014) | more than 7 years ago | (#16163268)

It helps, but is not necessary. Each book should be able to stand on its own. It might help to fully understand the characters if you start at the beginning, but you can pick up enough about them wherever you start.

Song of Songs the Comic Book (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16160569)

You guys forgot "web to print". Song of Songs is made by an independant Toronto artist. He has been making the comic and posting the pages online for people to download for quite a long time. Now that the pages are all done it has been printed up and it's selling in stores around Toronto.

It's completely independant, so it will be interesting to see how successful it is outside Toronto and internationally.

http://songofsongsthecomicbook.com/ [songofsong...icbook.com]

(I'm not affiliated with the kid in any way. Just posting AC because I don't have an account.)

iTunes Analogy... (3, Informative)

pshumate (1004477) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160583)

...really isn't valid, from my point of view. You can download a stand-alone, complete song from iTMS for $0.99. Do most cartoonists who use micropayments give you the entire issue/volume/story for that price? I know McCloud sells the entirety of The Right Number (http://scottmccloud.com/comics/trn/intro.html [scottmccloud.com] ) for $0.25, but I'm not sure about other artists. If they don't sell the entire issue for a small price, the analogy falls apart, since you're not getting something stand-alone for a micropayment. I also think the iTMS analogy is invalid in that music is not a niche market, while webcomics still are, for the most part. Personally (as a webcartoonist), I don't think micropayments are a viable means of "making a living", but some cash can be made. This reminds me of a quote, either by Jerry Holkins or Jon Rosenberg, that basically stated that if someone was willing to pay $0.15 for a comic, they'd pay $3.00.

Re:iTunes Analogy... (1)

Peter Bonte (919202) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161065)

iTunes is perfect for selling Comics, it has a huge userbase that is willing to pay for digital content. Apple only needs a device to sell it for, the iTV is a possibility or a new handheld device.

Re:iTunes Analogy... (2, Informative)

pshumate (1004477) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161327)

Apple already has a device to sell it for: the photo iPod. Clickwheel [clickwheel.net] is a free comics-to-iPod service and has seen some success. Of course, your comic must be a 640x480 image, so modern comic pages wouldn't fit that well. I wouldn't like to see Apple devote a new device solely to displaying images because I don't think it'd sell that well. Of course, I know jack about business. :)

Sooner or later (1)

Peter Bonte (919202) | more than 7 years ago | (#16162285)

Hey, a friend of mine has the "Benny" Featured Comic. :) They can't sell it and add DRM to the comics, thats a key feature to make it a success. But i have to agree that we need a bigger screen for this, maybe an iPod pro or a real bookreader device. I don't need this portable device but i can understand why Apple will wait for it to offer PDF downloads. Euh, except for the CD booklets that is. ;)

Re:iTunes Analogy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16161504)

I disagree on the 3$ vs 0.15$ thing. The correct micropayment price-point is the one at which, if the consumer were physically carrying that amount, he would not think twice about chucking it in the gutter on the street because avoiding the hassle of carrying around loose change is worth more to him than the actual amount of money. Personally, I've thrown away change up to about 0.5$, so in my opinion, that's a micropayment. Anything else is just a small payment.

Re:iTunes Analogy... (1)

pshumate (1004477) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161570)

Personally, I would rather pay $3 than $0.15, for the reasons you'd mentioned. $0.15 seems just too small an amount to care about, let alone put forth for a comic. It's as if clicking those few links to process the transaction aren't worth it to me. Man, I sure am biased against micropayments. Thanks, though, what you said did make some sense to me.

Nostalgiazone.com sells comics for under a buck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16161884)

Nostalgia Zone Comic Store [nostalgiazone.com] is the "LONG TAIL"
in operation. All back issues in the online store. Some other
comic stores do the "long tail" back issue market, but there are only 3 that do it well.

Conclusions (1)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160797)

1. Yes, it is possible to sell comics/books/movies/music on the Internet, despite the fact that TEH NOOBZ R TEH PIR4T3ZING.
2. Yes, it is possible to make a living selling comics/books/movies/music on the Internet.
3. The Internet is not a dump truck
4. The big giant media companies are not interested in sales, revenue, copyrights or customers. They want control.
5. The only reason more stuff isn't being sold online is because big giant media companies are pricing their product "money grab" instead of "good value."
6. The independent guys have development and payments down. Once they get marketing, it's over.
7. The Internet is a series of tubes.

Conclusions-skewed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16161100)

"1. Yes, it is possible to sell comics/books/movies/music on the Internet, despite the fact that TEH NOOBZ R TEH PIR4T3ZING."

Oh I happen to know that idependents are being pirated. The thing is that piracy affects an independent more than a big company.

"2. Yes, it is possible to make a living selling comics/books/movies/music on the Internet."

Jolly good...for a minority.

"4. The big giant media companies are not interested in sales, revenue, copyrights or customers. They want control."

Of their stuff. You always leave that part out.

"5. The only reason more stuff isn't being sold online is because big giant media companies are pricing their product "money grab" instead of "good value.""

Oh is THAT why you're not putting your money were your mouth is, and start selling on the Internet.

"6. The independent guys have development and payments down. Once they get marketing, it's over."

Well that miracle of miracles, holiest of holy, the internet will fix whatever ails the world. After all nine out of ten advocate the "new and improved" business model for big business. So it must be good for the small guy.

The problem with micropayments (2, Interesting)

XorNand (517466) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160817)

As mentioned in the article, BitPass requires you to put a minimum of $3 into your account when you open it. Obviously this seems stupid if you only want to spend a nickel. I understand BitPass's plight--it probably costs them a minimum $0.30-0.40 in fees to process a credit card. However, If you remember the early days of Paypal, they burned through some serious VC funds by basically throwing millions at people to get them to signup. It worked and paid off in spades big time. If BitPass wants to ever be a contender, they're going to have accept the fact that they'll need to bleed money for a year or two.

The problem with suggestions. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16161199)

"If BitPass wants to ever be a contender, they're going to have accept the fact that they'll need to bleed money for a year or two."

I have a better idea. How about all the people with these "suggestions" burn through some of their capital and become a contender. If all these ideas are good enough to tell others to take a risk*? Then they're good enough for the poster to follow.

*Let's pretend that the suggester doesn't benefit from their suggestions. e.g. The dot boom.

Re:The problem with suggestions. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16163610)

BitPass et al are going about this the wrong way. Rather than trying to fight a payment scheme which is trying to kill them every step of the way (the established credit card companies), they should set up a new payment scheme. Introducing the new BitCard! Accepted for transactions everywhere from $0.0001 to $100000. Get onto the payment clearinghouses, credit card transaction systems, and the signs on the gas station doors. Make your money from the %whatever you charge as interest, rather than charging the transaction fees that make selling something for a quarter impossible. Cut out the middleman credit card company by being the middleman credit card company.

But to do this, you have to not go public, so your shareholders don't fuck your business plan over by demanding you beat every cent you can out of every single transaction.

To do that, you have to be bloody rich to have the cash outlay to cover your credit card users' debts until they pay their bills.

So I'm going to suggest it despite the fact that I can't afford to do it.

Re:The problem with micropayments (1)

shmlco (594907) | more than 7 years ago | (#16164195)

What if, say, as an incentive to prepay $3 they give you $4 worth of services? Or $25 worth of service for $20?

Micropayments again (1)

Angst Badger (8636) | more than 7 years ago | (#16160856)

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think so [penny-arcade.com] :

When I hear the word "micropayments", I reach for my revolver.

Re:Micropayments again (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161389)

Or take this testimonial [goats.com] on micropayments from a popular online comic artist. An excerpt:

I apologize for rambling on like this, but I thought it was important that I get all of this out of the way before I tell you that the BitPass experiment was a conclusive and absolute failure. It failed on such a tremendous level that I was surprised when we discovered new and previously unimagined ways in which it could have failed. It failed so badly that we actually lost money.


Re:Micropayments again (1)

Ray Radlein (711289) | more than 7 years ago | (#16162720)

TFA does, in fact, mention the Goats experiment, and its fairly conclusive failure, FWIW.

Re:Micropayments again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16162809)

Dude, you misquoted Goebbels on slashdot and no-one invoked Godwin.

PWNIES!

You know... (2, Funny)

enc0der (907267) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161077)

...you need more sleep when you glance at a Slashdot title and see: "MIT on Chronic and Micropayments" Skochie Bochies! :)

Re:You know... (1)

HoboMaster (639861) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161969)

I'm not sure if you've watched too much Kevin Smith or not enough. It's "snoochie boochies."

Re:You know... (1)

enc0der (907267) | more than 7 years ago | (#16162052)

Haha! Like I said, lack of sleep! :)

My web comic is doing its part... (2, Funny)

PurifyYourMind (776223) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161333)

...to flesh out the end of a very long tail. ;-)

Another comics download service (3, Interesting)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161472)

Just yesterday I read an announcement about a new service [comicsworthreading.com] called Drive Thru Comics [drivethrustuff.com] . Like the interview, they're describing it in terms of iTMS.

Not surprisingly, it's mostly small-press, but there are at least some names I recognize.

What a silly title. (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161508)

Good to know that Henry Jenkins now speaks as the representative for all of MIT. Even when he posts something on his personal website, rather than on his MIT-hosted site [mit.edu] .

He's awesome and all, but c'mon. Maybe President Hockfield has a totally different take on webcomic micropayments. Or maybe there was a vote at the last faculty meeting to not conduct this interview.

Re:What a silly title. (1)

pshumate (1004477) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161592)

He needs some business cards printed up. "Henry Jenkins, Lord of All Webcomic Payment Systems, MIT" THEN he'd be representative.

Web Comics Work - See ModernTales.com (1)

jalvear (610723) | more than 7 years ago | (#16161890)

I'm a big fan of ModernTales.com (http://www.moderntales.com/ [moderntales.com] ), which is an independent online comics site from a variety of cool artists.

A sister site, called WebComicsNation (http://www.webcomicsnation.com/ [webcomicsnation.com] ), allows any budding comic artists start their own webcomics for a fee. Take that MIT!

Micropayments (3, Insightful)

HoboMaster (639861) | more than 7 years ago | (#16162027)

From what I've seen (I read ~100 webcomics on a regular basis), the most successful, money-wise, webcomic artists are the ones that don't use micro-payments. Despite all the comics I read, I don't read any that require micropayments, because I could never get enough into the comic to justify it. If a comic I already enjoyed moved to micropayments, I wouldn't mine paying for it, but to pay for a comic before I know if I'll enjoy it just seems silly, especially with the huge number of free ones out there. The best approach I've seen to this was Narbonic, which had a significant portion of the early comics available for free, which got me to pay for it (though it is all free now), since I had an emotional investment in the characters.

Really though, most webcomic artists that do it for a living use advertising and merchandise sales, and are very successful at it. I was a bit astounded at the trend toward micropayments that started about 2 years ago. The big question to me is "why?" Why automatically alienate a large portion of your potential audience when the alternative has been proven successful many times?

My only thought is that maybe it's better for those mid-sized comics that don't have enough readers to pull in a lot of money in advertising, but I can't see that micropayments would really be much better, when it would be a significant barrier to the growth of that audience.

Mod parent up! (1)

c.gerritsen (960884) | more than 7 years ago | (#16162338)

Hear, Hear!

I love webcomics, but I get hooked by stumbling into them and reading the archive. If there are two webcomics I am interested in, and for one I have to pay 15 cents to get started and the other is free, guess which one I am going to read? If there is some reason I am pushed to try the one with the micropayments ok...but a small flash ad from Keenspot is not going to hook me for even 1 cent.

I have been very tempted by premium subscriptions for extra content or by special x page episodes for a buck or two from comics that I already read, but I'm not likely to pay for one that I haven't read yet.

Also, I am one of those webcomic readers that will purchase merch...even if it's a little overpriced...to support a comic I read regularly.

Long Tail is back issue comics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16162030)

Back issue comic store [nostalgiazone.com] and
a couple others do the "Long tail" of the online retail business in comics. Most online
comic stores have a teeny back issue stock, there are only 3 that I know (including
nostalgiazone.com) that have a substantial stock online. We rarely sell more than
a couple of the same back issue in a month, a huge inventory of everything ever
published is needed to survive.

- Micropayments do not
work and we stay away from Ebay and especially PayPal, too much fraud, hassle,
  and too big a cut. Credit cards are the currency of people that do survive and
continue in the business, they take a big enough cut as it is. Micropayments are the
"perpetual motion machine", some sort of faith based economics that no one will do.
Who is going to fill out a whole bunch of bank information to look at a three cent
web comic, then find it sucks. It is an invite to fraud with the customer on the
hook, not the bank. Phishing with a capital PH.

- Google ads are almost worthless. We do a couple for fun, but not profit. Yahoo ads we
do not even bother with.

- A good back issue comic search what we use for people to buy the comics, if
they can't find it in your inventory, you can't sell the item.

- And we sell 'em cheap, piles of comics for a buck or less each.
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