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Doom on Xbox Live, Jackson Making Halo Game

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the holy-xboxen-batman dept.


Microsoft is pulling out all the stops in its X06 Keynote today in Barcelona. The announcements are flying fast and furious: Ensemble studios is making a Halo RTS, and Peter Jackson is making a new Halo game (unrelated to Halo 3 or the RTS). The HD-DVD will be $200 in the U.S. with a release aimed at November of this year. They've got a good deal of 360 exclusive content including the next Splinter Cell and GTA IV Episodes, and (initially) Bioshock. Bioshock will also be on Windows, of course. Windows is also the platform on which Microsoft is announcing a new Massively Multiplayer game from Cryptic Studios, a new super-hero MMOG based on Marvel Comics' IP: Marvel Universe Online.

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Thank God (2, Funny)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218001)

I was wondering what I'm going to do with my Windows machine...

Re:"Leak" (-1)

dch24 (904899) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218579)

The Ubisoft "Leak" [joystiq.com] and the 360-exclusive titles are bad PR and bad marketing.

If you want your customers to pay attention, a normal press release will do just fine. If you want your customers to buy your product, either the 360 or Splinter Cell, normal marketing techniques work just fine. Microsoft's Vendor Lock-In (TM) ends up destroying their profits. It's really simple, though I can see why they miss this point: the same tech market that propelled Microsoft to its current size so quickly has the power to reinvent them too. Why aren't there more Microsofts around? Because the other companies that are successful do not engage in anti-competitive tactics.

Look at the Xbox. Without Halo, Xbox sales would probably be only half what they are. So, a Halo exclusive license will only limit Xbox sales. People buy the Xbox to play Halo, get it? Not the other way around.

Oh, and I already know Sony does the same console-exclusive licensing and attempts to achieve vendor lock-in. But I don't consider Sony a serious monopolist. They may try, but they'll never get to where Microsoft is. And I don't think Microsoft should have a monopoly, either.

Re:"Leak" (2, Interesting)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218701)

"So, a Halo exclusive license will only limit Xbox sales. People buy the Xbox to play Halo, get it?"

Erm...you contradict yourself from one sentence to the next.

Re:"Leak" (2, Insightful)

drzhivago (310144) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218769)

Microsoft has a monopoly in the personal computer space. They do not have a monopoly in the home video game console space.

Exclusive titles did not start with Microsoft - it did not start with Sony, either - and it's nothing to get all atwitter about.

Re:"Leak" (4, Funny)

Psychotext (262644) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218983)

People buy the Xbox to play Halo, get it? Not the other way around.

I'm glad, "People buy the Halo to play Xbox" wouldn't have made any sense at all...

Re:"Leak" (1)

Rob86TA (955953) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219035)

And I don't think Microsoft should have a monopoly, either.

Seeing as the North American numbers have the Gamecube and Xbox in a near statistical tie, and the PS2 outsells/sold them 10:1. I don't think MS has a monopoly in the console market. Not to mention, if the Xbox sales were doubled as you say due to Halo licensing, I think the opposite of what you claim is true. Exclusive licenses tend to DRIVE sales, not limit them.

ATTN: Peter Jackson ! (4, Funny)

LDoggg_ (659725) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218025)

Please don't work on the Halo thing until after The Hobbit.
Your actors aren't getting any younger.

Re:ATTN: Peter Jackson ! (-1)

jbrader (697703) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218589)

Am I the only person that thinks someone else should do The Hobbit? I really like Jacksin's LOTR but I think it would be nice to see what another director could do. After all just because he did a great job doesn't mena there isn't any number of other filmakers who could do just as good.

Re:ATTN: Peter Jackson ! (1)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218739)

Oh don't worry, with the lack of originality in hollywood, I'd expect a complete remake of the LOTR trilogy within ten years.

Re:ATTN: Peter Jackson ! (0)

Yo Grark (465041) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218763)

Please don't work on the Hobbit thing until you learn from your mistakes of King Kong.
Your fans aren't getting any more forgiving.

Yo Grark

Re:ATTN: Peter Jackson ! (1)

packeteer (566398) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218953)

I think the LOTR movie series was proof that it does not matter the age or height of your actors. Computers and makeup can pretty much do anything you want.

Re:ATTN: Peter Jackson ! (1)

LDoggg_ (659725) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219063)

Probably true, not to mention the characters that are need to be in the Hobbit are really old even in Hobbit anyways.
Still I was upset PJ even spent time on king kong. If MGM & New Line did indeed get the green light [chud.com] to make The Hobbit, then it should be top priority.

backward-compatibility (1)

X_Caffeine (451624) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218055)

What about the promises of backward-compatibility? Or did they forget about that again?

(yes I'm aware that they didn't specify how much of the library would be backward compatible... but 75% is reasonable, right? or whatever we have now + Psychonauts)

Re:backward-compatibility (1)

Rico_Suave (147634) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218671)

They released a big BC update less than a month ago. These things don't happen automagically.

Re:backward-compatibility (1)

abandonment (739466) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219671)

if the system was designed properly it would. xbox does NOT have backwards compatibility whatsoever. Backwards compatibility is me taking that windows 98 program that i've used for 10 years (to use an example) and running it on Xp or Vista without problems. Ie the exact same executable file.

Xbox backwards compatibility is the equivalent of using a big stick to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Re:backward-compatibility (1)

c_forq (924234) | more than 7 years ago | (#16220107)

In the case of the X-Box it is more like compatiblilty between 64-bit XP and 32-bit XP, or PowerPC Apple and Intel Apple. You have to remember that the 360 is a new arcutecture, so there has to be a software layer for emulation. Just like how almost every driver has to be rewritten for XP64, the software has to be tweaked for each X-Box game.

Marvel Universe (1)

LotsOfPhil (982823) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218119)

The MMOG sounds pretty neat. I will never play it (nothing like enough time) but it sounds like it has the potential to do quite well.

Re:Marvel Universe (1)

le0p (932717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218239)

I had serious doubts about this MMO ever coming into existence when rumors were spreading for the last year or so, but now that Cryptic is involved I am quite excited about it. I'm a big fan of CoH/CoV and I know they can make a great quality MMO. If anyone can put out an awesome MMO it's this studio. It should be excited to see what they come up with. Now hopefully, those rumors about DC Comics working with SOE turn out to be false, it's been awhile since I've heard anything so it may have been bogus all along *crosses fingers*.

Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising! (2, Funny)

The Mad Debugger (952795) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218123)

Halo the toilet paper, Halo the lunchbox, Halo the flamethrower! (The kids love this one).

Good thing the game industry is such a source original thought and creativity.

Re:Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising! (1)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218433)

Good thing the game industry is such a source original thought and creativity.

hee hee ha ha ho ho har har hee hee


Re:Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising! (1)

iocat (572367) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218685)

What's wrong with expanding from an endless series of shooters into new genres? The Halo world (as fleshed out in the books by Eric Nylund) is an awesome Sci-Fi universe that certainly has a lot more to offer gamewise than just Bungie's stock-in-trade of shooters.

Re:Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising! (1)

The Mad Debugger (952795) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219307)

I dunno.. I guess there's nothing *wrong* with it per se, it's just the same uninspired sort of thing that pushes sequels and remakes out of Hollywood, instead of new stuff. Kinda disappoints me.

Honestly, my post was more of just a gut reaction to the Slashdot article, and the way it was phrased. It just triggered an association with the Spaceballs scene. Wasn't meant to be a serious scathing indictment.

I guess it's now even more ironic, since Brooks just announced a Spaceballs TV cartoon sequel series.

Re:Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising! (1, Funny)

Shacky (948434) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218715)

I can just hear the Spaceballs theme now... Good stuff.. funny :) - Mod Parent up another!

Re:Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising! (1)

SA3Steve (323565) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219539)

Save that for the sequel: "Halo X: The Search for More Money"

What's that I hear? (3, Funny)

Lovedumplingx (245300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218137)

I think I just heard Sony slit their wrists.

Really though...these are some big announcements and I haven't heard Sony coming with anything to match them yet.

Re:What's that I hear? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218407)

Wait, you're actually serious...

Woa, now that's pathetic.

PS. Does the 'x' at the end of your handle imply some sort of badassness about you? You know the latent home fratboy Xbox demographic?

Re:What's that I hear? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218587)

shut up

Re:What's that I hear? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218955)

Rootkit CD 2.0 will knock your socks off!

Re:What's that I hear? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16219181)

Yeah.. big announcement... XBox 360 now costs more than PS3 if you want HD-DVD.

Re:What's that I hear? (1)

w1ll0w (658777) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219375)

Why because Microsoft couldn't deliver the HD-DVD player + 360 for less than the PS3? Maybe they will slit their wrists because of the tech being better in the PS3. Considering that Microsoft isn't going to release another console in a year and a half to better the dated look it will have I don't think Sony should consider Seppuku just yet. But for now Microsoft is definately the king and a force to be reckoned with.

Re:What's that I hear? (1)

Decessus (835669) | more than 7 years ago | (#16220155)

It's important to factor in the other things that come with the $199.00 HD-DVD player also. It comes with an Xbox 360 Universial Media Remote which Best Buy has it listed as $29.99 ( Best Buy [bestbuy.com] ). It also comes with the HD-DVD version of King Kong which Best Buy also has listed as $29.99 ( Best Buy [bestbuy.com] ). So, really you are only paying about $140.00 for the HD-DVD drive itself.

Over what? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#16220047)

Sony is ending it all over what exactly?

You mean having a competitor who included HD playback as an add-on that brings up the full price of the 360 to above the cost of the base PS3?

Or perhaps you think the expansion of the Halo empire into RTS is reason enough for hari-kari. Or perhaps Bioshock releasing on the 360 whole months before poor PS3 owners ever see it!

Yes, I'm sure all those things send shivers down Sony spines. Or perhaps not.

Non FPS Halo games? (1, Interesting)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218165)

So for a non-initiate into the cult of Bungie, could some one please explain how they plan on making games that consist of sometihng OTHER then Master Chief running around blowing stuff up?

I know that Marathon and Halo are suposedly linked some how.
I know there is supposedly a plot to Halo (I could never actualy sit through one of the games to find out).

Just how could an RTS be made outta the HALO franchise?
And wth is Peter Jackson working on for HALO?

So friken confused.

Re:Non FPS Halo games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218337)

Dude, its about a "future-war" between humans and aliens - the same back-story featured in games of all genres. You're confused because you're an idiot.

Re:Non FPS Halo games? (2, Funny)

le0p (932717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218399)

Why do you seem so shocked about the possibility for a HALO RTS when you don't know what the game is about? It's like saying "I've got no idea what this game is about, how could they make it into an RTS??? Preposterous!"

As for Peter Jackson, see: Petr Jackson talks the Halo Movie [slashdot.org]

Re:Non FPS Halo games? (3, Informative)

63N1U5 (840190) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218461)

The original concept for Halo was an RTS along the same lines as an earlier Bungie title - Myth. It wasn't until Microsoft bought Bungie Studios that Halo became a FPS and the Xbox launch title. There is more than just a plot to Halo, there is volumes of backstory and history in the super-secret Halo bible that is locked in the Bungie Studios vault. Google the Halo Library - that site has compiled just about all that is known about the Halo universe based on the games, novels, and other information. It is actually a pretty good sci-fi story IMHO.

Re:Non FPS Halo games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16219653)

Once you're done with that, google for Marathon's Story and see how much that story blows away Halo. Halo is a neat little game in the moment-to-moment action, but the longer arc just doesn't hold my interest. Marathon is still powerful a decade after I originally played it.

Re:Non FPS Halo games? (2, Informative)

PhatBhuda (139814) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219955)

The original concept for Halo was an RTS along the same lines as an earlier Bungie title - Myth. It wasn't until Microsoft bought Bungie Studios that Halo became a FPS and the Xbox launch title.

Now, it may be that Halo was originally a RTS game, but it was definitely demoed as an FPS before the Microsoft buyout. It was originally demoed at the 1999 Macworld Expo in NYC.

It was a sad day when Microsoft bought Bungie in preparation for the Xbox release and postponed the Mac OS and Windows releases of Halo till after the release of the Xbox.

http://www.themacobserver.com/perspectives/soare/9 9/july/macworldsummary.html [themacobserver.com]
or even better wikipedia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_Combat_Evolved# Development [wikipedia.org]

Re:Non FPS Halo games? (1)

PhatBhuda (139814) | more than 7 years ago | (#16220003)

Okay, after actually reading the wikipedia article:
1. halo is Myth in scifi (real time strategy)
2. halo is demoed as 3rd person shooter at macworld
3. halo is demoed at e3 2000
4. Microsoft buys bungie
5. halo is turned in to first person shooter.
6. remove half of foot from my mouth.

Re:Non FPS Halo games? (1)

general scruff (938598) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218501)

Just went to halowars.com, and was hoping to see it for PC. I remember the metric tons of fun AOE2 was, and adding halo to the mix I'm sure would make for an amazing LAN party. Has anyone seen/heard of bringing HALO the RTS to PC? I'm still not keen on getting a 360... IE, my wife won't let me get one...

Re:Non FPS Halo games? (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219885)

Not for the PC? Are they insane?

If they manage to make an RTS for a console that doesn't suck, it'll be the first time that that's happened. EVER.

There is actually a story to Halo (3, Insightful)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218583)

There is actually quite a bit of story in Halo and Halo 2, and certainly more than your typical FPS. There's enough in the "Halo universe" to spawn a few books as well, not to mention the Halo movie that Peter Jackson is working on.

I'm not a Bungie cultist myself (although I have a friend that works there), but I think there is definately enough to like in the Halo universe, if you're a general sci-fi fan like I am. And if you don't, there's nothing wrong with avoiding what you don't like.

As for people yelling at MS to be more original, and to stop milking the franchise for all it's worth, you can easily say the same for Nintendo's games. How many Zelda, Metroid, and Mario games have there been? And how many of them have been good? Plenty. Franchises != the suck.

Re:Non FPS Halo games? (1)

hollismb (817357) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219353)

I think the answer you're looking for can be found in the trailer [halowars.com]. Troops, aliens, weapons, vehicles, spacecraft, battles.. all accounted for.

Misread (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218179)

Did anyone else read that title and think: "Sweet. Steve Jackson [sjgames.com] is going to make a Halo game!"

Re:Misread (2, Funny)

Shipwack (684009) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218821)

Steve Jackson Games making the next Halo game sounds all well and good, up until the point where the Feds come in and bust him for making a murder simulator trainer...

Hey... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218199)

Nice to see halo returning to what it originally was,
an RTS... although sadly not for the mac.

Noooo!! Not my beloved GTA! :( (1)

bmw (115903) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218209)

"They've got a good deal of 360 exclusive content including the next Splinter Cell and GTA IV Episodes, and (initially) Bioshock."

Ooh this makes me so mad. Curse you, Microsoft! CURSE YOOOUUU!!!! *shakes fist*

Re:Noooo!! Not my beloved GTA! :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218455)

The game itself isn't exclusive, only two expansion packs. And what's to say exclusive content won't be produced for the pc and ps3 too.

Ho Hum (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218225)

Still no MMP M.U.L.E.

Re:Ho Hum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218425)


Re:Ho Hum (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218553)


<Homer>Aaaaahhhh, forbidden Archon, aaaaaagggghhhh</Homer>

Some ideas were just dead right when they came out and the rest of the gaming world is still trying to re-achieve that pinnacle.

Why can't there be Xbox Live M.U.L.E.? (1)

Shipwack (684009) | more than 7 years ago | (#16220143)

Or Archon for that matter? Especially since they're releasing an Xbox live dev kit... I don't do much programming, but I would think that it wouldn't take too much effort to do those games... The game play is simple, the graphics would not have to be complex. The only problem would be finding out who owns the rights... Dani Bunting (creator of M.U.L.E.) has been dead for several years, and she wouldn't have necesarilly had the rights anyway....

That's It? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218231)

Where was the big news?

The HD-DVD drive is a joke. 200 dollar add-on - no thanks and it can't even be used for games. Halo RTS? That sounds like something that would be better left to the shareware/homebrew crowd... And Peter Jackson? Virtually every other 'big name' movie guy involvement in games has been crap - perhaps I would be more excited if he hand't butchered LoTRs.

Along with Gears only being 10 hours long and looking nothing like those silly marketing shots. Hopefully they can finally manage to get the game to run at 30fps and no screen tearing like so many other recent games have been plagued with.

Where is this Microsoft has the cash to buy exclusives like no one else. Either they really don't have that cash to spend or they are getting ripped off.

Halo RTS (1)

DigitalGodBoy (142596) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218251)

Didn't the Halo idea start as an RTS for the Mac eons ago? I've seen a video where the developers were commenting about an RTS which had Halo-based units.

Talk about coming full circle.

Re:Halo RTS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16219549)

I think you're mixing up a number of things. Halo has roots in Marathon, and Halo was origionally slated for release on the Mac platform. In addition, Bungie produced the Myth series of RTS, and Myth and Myth II did have mods to make them into Marathon and later Halo characters.

Halogen (5, Informative)

63N1U5 (840190) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218259)

What we all suspected when Microsoft issued a cease and desist to the modders behind Halogen (the Halo themed Command and Conquer mod) has turned out to be a reality. You have to give props to MS for responding to all of the interest for a Halo RTS by creating their own (albeit based on the Age of Empires engine). The official site has already launched with trailers and screenshots (mostly prerendered) at http://www.halowars.com [halowars.com].

We'll be Back and legal, soon! (2, Informative)

Fatalist (811483) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218981)

I didn't see the original article about the Halogen shutdown on Slashdot until just now, but it doesn't look like anyone pointed out the fact that the sentence "We'll be Back and legal, soon!" appears twice on the page when you highlight the text.

Doom, still going to cost you.a bit. (4, Insightful)

kinglink (195330) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218341)

Doom costs 800 points.. that's 10 dollars for those of us who don't remember the conversion.

Seriously XBLA used to be a place to get cheap legacy games, and interesting unique games, now with every game coming out at 800 points it's sad. I'm probably going to end up buying doom at some point, but while it was a impulse buy at 400 (1.25 per episode, 4 episodes) I'm going to have to consider it now.

Any game that's older than 10 years needs to either have significantly new gameplay (not just co-op, time pilot, but you were 400 points so I love you more) for a 10 dollar investment.

Re:Doom, still going to cost you.a bit. (1)

Keeper (56691) | more than 7 years ago | (#16220123)

It doesn't matter what they price it at. Someone like you will always bitch about how it costs too much, and only if they priced it at x instead you would be all over it.

First level 60 superhero (3, Funny)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218353)

Spider-man.. Spider-man.. does whatever a Spider can...


Cheap shot! Cheap shot! Ambush crit!



"EEEEERRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHZZZZZZZZZZ!!" /laugh /spit /dance /violin /vanish /vanish /vanish

Can't wait.

Re:First level 60 superhero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218945)

You noob. If you hadn't turned your Spidey Sense off, you wouldn't have had that problem.

Re:First level 60 superhero (1)

Keith Russell (4440) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219231)

Spiderman will be the Task Force contact in Times Square.

All those Sentinels are gray to me. No XP.

What about a 360 MMORPG?!? (3, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218361)

Forget about yet another Windows MMORPG (yet another "WoW Killer" no doubt), what about a Xbox 360 MMORPG?!?! Every since Live came online for the original xbox, we've been waiting fore this and so far, zilch. It's the perfect plaform for it to, the built-in speech capabilities would make raiding and teaming-up easy (and no need to find additional software or pay for a teamspeak server, either)

And, don't give me that "FFXI" bullshit, either. That was just a poor port of the PC version ("Wait, I need a USB keyboard to talk, WTF?!?!?!"). If I wanted to return to the year 2000, I'd buy it. But I want a modern, *REAL* MMORPG.


Re:What about a 360 MMORPG?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218435)

Marvel universe is coming to xbox 360 also.

Re:What about a 360 MMORPG?!? (2, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218603)

Yeah, with a "USB Keyboard and Mouse." What's the point? They already have a console with a mouse and keyboard that can play a wide selection of MMORPGS. It's called a "PC".

Seriously, when are developers going to realize that you don't need a keyboard for chat channels when you can have ACTUAL CHAT. When you're chatting around the water cooler with your friends at work do you need a fucking keyboard?!?! The 360 has built in voice chat--USE IT!!!


Voice chat doesn't work for a MMOG you tards. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218909)

Have you ever played a MMOG? Its bad enough having screenfulls of text whizzing by when you are in a busy area, you think having dozens of 12 year old shitknockers screaming about what crap they are selling, or how awesome 50 cent is will be nice? You think you have enough bandwidth for 50+ incoming voices plus the game?

Voice chat is great for small groups. Using voice chat for a party of adventurers out on a mission makes alot of sense. But it won't work for the rest of the game, where you need a keyboard.

And seriously, if having to stick a $20 keyboard into your console is a hardship, then you need a big steaming cup of stfu. I *WISH* more games would support keyboard and mouse natively on consoles, so I could buy a $400 console and play every kind of game, instead of having to buy a $400 console for some games, plus a $800 PC for some other games.

Re:Voice chat doesn't work for a MMOG you tards. (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#16220141)

You think you have enough bandwidth for 50+ incoming voices plus the game?

There are very simple ways to deal with that. Limit the number of voices heard (outside of one-on-one coversations and team chat) to the nearest 10 or 20 people (I know Xbox can support that, because I've been in plenty of Battlefront II battles where there were at least that many people talking at once). Combine that with private channels for one-on-one and team conversations and it would be little different than it is now, only you wouldn't have to wear your hands out typing.

12 year old shitknockers screaming about what crap they are selling, or how awesome 50 cent is will be nice?

Mute them or simply walk away from them, same as you would if they were *typing* trash.

f having to stick a $20 keyboard into your console is a hardship

It's not a "hardship," it's just stupid. A console is a console, not a PC. The whole point of the console is to have a simple system that you can kick back on the couch, in bed, or wherever, and play on a gamepad without having to "install" the game (FFXI, I'm looking in your direction) or add on a bunch of additional hardware.

If you throw in a keyboard and mouse, it's not a console anymore--it's just a shitty PC. If you're going to toss out everything that makes a console so fun and unique, why not just buy a PC in the first place? Even the cheapest PC is going to be more powerful than the console within 2 years after it launches, anyway.


Re:What about a 360 MMORPG?!? (4, Funny)

saboola (655522) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219773)

When you're chatting around the water cooler with your friends at work do you need a fucking keyboard?!?!


-Stephen Hawking

Re:What about a 360 MMORPG?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16220129)

You know, Phantasy Star Universe is coming to the X360 in a matter of weeks...

1.1 (1)

l3prador (700532) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218373)

Did anyone else listen to the ilovebees story? A game featuring Janissary James and the other 1.1s could be amazing. Especially if Durga was involved.

Marvel MMOG (1)

PaulMorel (962396) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218623)

Now that the Marvel MMOG is back on, I'm not quite sure how to feel. I was pretty upset when I heard that it was getting shelved, but then I went out and bought City of Heroes/Villains (which was developed by the people who are making the Marvel MMOG).

I am a recovering WoW-head who switched to CoH/V for a change in scenery, and I have to say that the change wasn't necessarily pleasant. CoH/V has some great qualities that WoW can't match, but it also fails miserably when you try to compare the gameplay experience. Can anyone else weigh in on this comparison?

The character creation in CoH is obviously much better. You can fully customize the look of your hero/villain. In terms of looks and ease of use, I have never used a better character creation tool. I could create all the different heroes/villains that I wanted. That was nice, after WoW, where high level characters of each class wear pretty much the same armor (ie every lock in a AQ raid has just enough pieces of the Nemesis set to look vaguely alike).

The graphics in the games are pretty much a pickem. CoH looks more realistic, but has nowhere near the sense of style that WoW has.

And the most disappointing thing in CoH is the gameplay. If you WoW players think you know what grinding is, you have no idea. CoH/V redefines grinding. It brings grinding to a whole new level (unfortunately, not literally). And this is where I'm woirried.

If the Marvel MMOG has the same kind of ridiculously slow and repetitive gameplay, it will be a huge failure. Anyone else feel the same? Think I'm an idiot?

Re:Marvel MMOG (2, Informative)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219099)

heh, I will step up.

I happen to love both WoW and CoH/V.

My keys points on WoW?
HUGE Community, not that hard to find good poeple to play with, though I admit I am no where near up to raid levels (level 33 priest atm).
The game is beautiful, nuff said.
There is high end content.
The grind is not THAT bad if you are only going for levels. However if you want to actualy be viable you NEED to grind for gear/whatever. That is my first complaint.
My second one is travel time, I hate WoW travel time. All classes should be given a movement increas spell at level 30 (or possibly even lower, but with speed increasing as you level).
Also combat can bog down to same 'ol same 'ol really quickly.
Only so much customization with in class. Generaly there are 2-4 viable builds for a class.
And ofcourse cookie cutter characters suck. (lvl 60 gnome warriors with that helm look friken stupid)

On CoH/V?
Character design rocks over everything.
Alot of customization of each class between your primary/secondary choces and your power pools. a Bubbler plays 100% differently then an Empath. (this is a BIG plus to me as I am an altaholic).
I find I like CoH/V Combat alot more then I do WoW. More variation in what you can do, less "well we HAVE to have **** class or we fail it". A group full of Stalkers can be scary, a random mix is deadly, don't have an empath? so what! we have a bubbler, we are not gona be taking dmg anyway! No Defender at all? so what, we have that much more DMG/Mez.
Travel powers at a nice early level made me happy beyond all reason.
No one plays any more and is now impossible to find a good group.
No end game content.
the last few levels suck for grind.

All in all?
I tihnk CoH/V is less grindy, with better combat then WoW (up untill end game).

However, I pick WoW over CoH/V atm because I want to play with people (the entire point of an MMO in my mind). I want to convince some of my RL friends to lay off WoW for a month or 2 and play some CoH/V with me, but I don't know if I will be able to.

Re:Marvel MMOG (2, Interesting)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219669)

If you think COH/COV is a grind fest try out a Korean designed MMO sometime. Seriously checkout Hero Online [netgame.com], it's free and holy cow is it a grind.

COH was my first MMO, played it for about a year, got my level 50 and then moved to WoW. Played WoW for about a year then bought CoV.
I have a love/hate relationship with CoH/CoV, I totally understand what you mean about it being a grind. The game really has almost nothing to it but combat. I think the combat is pretty entertaining but doing mission after mission can be taxing. What I do like about it is that it works well in small doses. I usually play with a friend for an hour or two a night. From logon to mission your are playing in a couple minutes versus the high end of WoW which is very time consuming.
Lately the server population seems to have dried up, especially at the high level (my villain is 41). So the social aspects of the game have pretty much disappeared. CoH was a much livlier place during the first year with tons of players and much more social activity (player run things like costume contests were common). Without the player base you are just left with the mechanics of the game.
Normally I think it would be surprising to see the developer building the Marvel MMO seeing as it stands to be in direct competition with CoH/CoV but I see it as a sign that Cryptic is aware of CoH's decline.
In terms of CoH being slow to level though, you can easily do levels 1-20 in a week which at least gives you a lot of powers and a good idea if you want to keep playing that class. Now once you hit 30 the grind really kicks in and 40-50 is just plain brutal. I think I'm doing about 1 bar of XP every 2 hours at level 41. Just be glad they reduced the debt to less than half of what it used to be. My hero had maxed out debt at lvl 49 - something like a million points.
At this point I'm just waiting for something new. I don't have any desire to go back to WoW. I think MMO developers are waiting on releases because of the Burning Crusade.

Please bring out Rallisport Challenge 3!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16218691)

Rallisport Challenge 2 is one of the best games ever! Even better than Archon and Mule!
Seriously it is one of the best games on the old X-box, and one of the best racing games
period. It was much more fun than Forza Motorsports.

Re: Jackson Making Halo Game (1)

Ruvim (889012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218725)

Do you HAVE to be a boy under 12 in order to play it?

Oups... wrong Jackson.

And Sony is too expensive? (1, Flamebait)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#16218811)

Okay ... so I can spend $400 for an XBox360, and $200 for the HD-DVD player, and I get a game console that uses DVDs, and an HD-DVD player, both of which sit taking up space. ... all for the same price as the 'high-end' PS3.

Not bad, but it seems like Sony made the right move to integrate the drive into the console so it takes up less space, and can relied on as 'standard' hardware to released games on. It might not be the perfect system today, but it has a lot more room to grow, and will be looking a lot better within the next year or two (pretty early in its life-cycle), while the 360 might start seeming long in the tooth.

I've read a lot of articles about people complaining about it, and saying it should be optional, but since when is that any different then any other console?

Complaining about not wanting the PS3 w/BluRay is equivalent to complaining about the PS2 w/DVD, or the DS with a second screen (i.e. "I think the touch screen idea is nice, but I only want to get one with one screen that is a touch screen. They should be able to release it that way and drop the price. Those who WANT the second screen can buy it as an add-on that plugs into the hand-held.")

If you want a PS3, get it on their terms, the same way as any other Console. If you don't, be happy there are other options, and get a Wii, XBox360, or Coleco-vision if that floats your boat. The PS3 isn't a monopoly like windows, and they have a right to include/exclude anything they want in their system. [/rant]

Re:And Sony is too expensive? (3, Insightful)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219127)

Don't think of it as being about Blu-Ray, necessarily. It's not. Really, it's about the price. $600 (or $580, if you count the 20% of production that will be priced at $500) is, to many people too much money. It's really that simple.

Blu-Ray is something that many people aren't excited about that also drives the price up and the production quantity down - this makes it the obvious target for people who don't want/aren't willing/can't afford to shell out $580 for a game console before purchasing even a single game (much less any of the usual hardware accessories).

Had the DS been sold at $500, with the only obvious thing that might account for its far-above-the-competition price the second screen, then yes, you would have heard similar complaints about it. If the Wii was priced at $500 because of problems with the Wiimote, then you'd be hearing similar complaints about that.

Say what you want about how great Blu-Ray is, or how it's actually for games, not for pushing Sony's pet format, or whatever else you want to say about it. But what it comes down to is that, for (seemingly) a lot of people, $580 is just too damn much money. And it doesn't matter how cool Blu-Ray is if the price is more than people are willing to pay.

Re:And Sony is too expensive? (1)

DianeOfTheMoon (863143) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219563)

I think the point the GP is trying to make is that no matter how much the PS3 is, the comparable XBox costs just a bit more.

Re:And Sony is too expensive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16219279)

I have an Xbox360... So, I've already spent the $400 (sunk cost).... So, to find out an HDDVD player is $200 with a remote and movie?!?!? That is amazing!! That is the same price as an upconverting DVD Player!!! This is just amazing news.. .I couldn't be happier

Re:And Sony is too expensive? (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219519)

I've been thinking the same thing ever since they announced HD-DVD as a future add-on. Also consider that the XBox360 is still really noisy. Have you read the releases about the PS3? Its quiet. Very quiet. Quiet, compact, and without a big power brick. Sweet.

Not to mention BD movies, great games and backward compatibility.

My PS2 DVD drive is finally giving out after 3 years of brutal use and I'm trying to convince my wife that a PS3 would be a better investment than a new DVD drive since it would play the old games too.

The only thing I haven't seen yet is a review on Sony's up/downscaling quality.

That is, how does a 1080i game look at 720p and how do 720p native games look at 1080i?

Re:And Sony is too expensive? (2, Interesting)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#16220133)

The noisy-ness and size of the XBox360 are the main things that kept me from getting it originally (along with my general happiness with the PS2 I got a few years before the XBox's launch).

I'm thinking of biting the bullet and upgrading to HD-TV this year (between the drop in HD-TV prices and TiVo's new HD unit), and the PS3 is starting to look like the perfect option to handle the "GameConsole/DVD/NextGenMedia" portion and round out my new TV stack. Going for the PS3 is an easier choice than a stand-alone Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player. I KNOW the Blu-Ray format is going to be used for the PS3, wether movies come out for it or not, and I expect it should be a decent DVD player also. If the format takes off, great. If it doesn't, yes, it sucks, but the hardware is still usable as a storage media for games (take a look at UMD, yeah, there aren't many UMD movies being planned, but I don't see UMD games for the PSP being phased out any time soon).

Granted the whole TV Stack is probably ~$2500-$3000 whereas my current installation is closer to $1000 (TV, VCR, TiVo+DVD Player, CableBox), but I'm actually excited about the quality difference, and analog TV Phase-out is right around the corner [dtv.gov]. Feb 17th 2009 doesn't seem that far away to me right now, especially since the HDTV acceptance rate has been climbing and is probably primed to really take off this holiday season. Once that rate climbs, there is no reason to assume that consumers won't demand more HD media (including Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, and Consoles supporting HD formats).

Call me a sheep, but I think the pastures (or at least pictures of them), will be greener. :)

Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16219315)

There certainly is some good stuff for existing Xbox owners but really nothing that is going to make anyone who didn't already have a 360 go out and buy one. I really expected that this was going to be the show where Microsoft finally showed off the muscle everyone assumed they had.

The 360 looks to be still around 300k behind where the first Xbox was at this point in its life. I can't imagine that we are going to be able to break 20 million sold with the 360 looking at the first year's sales numbers.

I just want to say Good Luck to Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16219337)

Because Blizzard is going to kick your ass, and you have /no/ leverage in MMO land. You are not the 800lb gorilla here :p

How many Halos are we supposed to play at once? (0)

HatchedEggs (1002127) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219665)

Microsoft... I know you guys love Halo. Heck, so do I. However, I don't know if the answer to that is to develop a whole bunch of different split offs from the main Halo in an attempt to suc every last penny out that the brand is worth. Why?

Dilution. You don't like other people lituing your brans, so don't make the mistake of doing it yourself by over using it. We could perhaps use a new Halo more often, but don't have more than one split off from it. Even that makes me cringe a little. Bad things happen when companies dilute their brands (among them is that we, the customers, end up getting poor quality products).

Re:How many Halos are we supposed to play at once? (1)

StocDred (691816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16219903)

Judging from sequel- and spinoff- sales, I think most of the world disagrees with you.

And as long as the games as good, I think most gamers would disagree with you.

xboxen... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16219861)

from the holy-xboxen-batman dept.

  I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth

The most unnecessary phrase ever (1)

charlesbakerharris (623282) | more than 7 years ago | (#16220157)

"Windows is also the platform on which Microsoft is announcing a <insert anything here>."

Dude... please take a freshman composition class, or middle school English... anything would help.

I can do this too. Let's see... "Water is probably what made this <object> wet."

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