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Peter Moore Plugs the Wii60 Again

Zonk posted about 8 years ago | from the truly-a-beautiful-marriage dept.

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Next Generation is reporting that Peter Moore has once again raised the concept of the 'Wii60', a gamer who has chosen to buy an Xbox 360 and a Wii, instead of ... that other guy's product. From the article: "In a canny piece of anti-Sony propaganda he said, 'Dual platform ownership of Xbox 360 and Wii could be as high as 40% depending on what territory we are talking about. The influence of the Wii-60 movement seems to be growing enormously.' ... But the mischievous Liverpudlian could not resist expressing some doubts about Nintendo's machine. 'The controller is innovative but it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.'"

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tsop tsrif (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16233287)

all you haters can suck my dick.

officer pigmore can blow me.

Re:tsop tsrif (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16233555)

How in the hell is the parent rated "Insightful"? Stupid mods!

But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (5, Funny)

nweaver (113078) | about 8 years ago | (#16233297)

How innovative do your thumbs feel after 60 minutes of Halo?

Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (2, Insightful)

jbrader (697703) | about 8 years ago | (#16233733)

Hasn't this guy ever heard of tennis, golf, foootball, etc etc. These are activities that require much more that swinging a remote control around and yet every day thousands of people voluntarily go out and perform them. In the case of golf and some others they even pay.

Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (2, Insightful)

LordNimon (85072) | about 8 years ago | (#16234355)

But those people are typically in good shape physically. The average gamer is not.

Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (1)

damiam (409504) | about 8 years ago | (#16234731)

Says who? Most of the people I know who play games also do sports, for similar reasons. And besides, the Wii isn't exactly going to require Olympic levels of athleticism.

Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 8 years ago | (#16234881)

I realize you said "typically" but you don't have to be in shape to be a golfer. Just look at John Daly [wikipedia.org] for an example. I realize that most of the time thin guys like Tiger Woods end up winning, but there's still some pro golfers who are really out of shape. I also know tons of leisure golfers who couldn't even walk the course if they tried. They use a cart, and never have to walk far, or lift their own clubs.

Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (1)

Jason Earl (1894) | about 8 years ago | (#16235909)

Moving around is how people get in shape. Unless you have serious medical problems swinging around a remote isn't going to kill you (or even hurt you). I personally would be glad if more video games required a bit of conditioning. People weren't designed to spend their life on their ass.

Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (3, Funny)

Cirak (992412) | about 8 years ago | (#16234419)

He's probably heard of all of the injuries people accumulate doing these voluntary activities, though. Hell, tennis has an elbow injury named for it. I haven't yet heard "video game thumb" as a common injury term thrown around in physical therapy offices.

They do (1)

Admiral Frosty (919523) | about 8 years ago | (#16235093)

It's called Nintendo Thumb.

Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (1)

amuro98 (461673) | about 8 years ago | (#16235435)

Pac-man wrist?

Nintendo-thumb?

Carpal-tunnel syndrome?

Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (1)

Khuffie (818093) | about 8 years ago | (#16234741)

Thing is, most of the time when I'm playing games I feel lazy and not up to much else. Mind you I'm still getting a Wii

Sports is not a good analogy. Try this at home ... (2, Interesting)

jchenx (267053) | about 8 years ago | (#16235065)

Hasn't this guy ever heard of tennis, golf, foootball, etc etc. These are activities that require much more that swinging a remote control around and yet every day thousands of people voluntarily go out and perform them. In the case of golf and some others they even pay.

Sports is not a good analogy. That's a wide range of activities that exercise different muscles, and at different rates. Moore does bring up a good point, and it *is* something to worry about.

Here's something to try at home or wherever you are. Lift your arms straight in front of you. You don't even need to hold anything in them. Keep them outstretched. How long do you think you can keep them there, carrying nothing? You may be surprised how fast you get tired (generally in only a few minutes). This was a "neat trick" I learned when I was doing martial arts. Heck, even your uber football player may have problems with this, especially if their arms are really bulked up with muscles.

Granted, when you play the Wii-mote, your arms generally won't be outstretched like that for very long. Hopefully with most games, they can stay mostly near your body. But it still might be something to be concerned about. That's frankly one of my main concerns for the console, and one of the first things I'll watch for when I pick up the Wii.

Re:Sports is not a good analogy. Try this at home (1)

oc255 (218044) | about 8 years ago | (#16235859)

Isometrics are amazingly wonderful. Sit up against a wall as if a chair is there. I used to do this all the time and it's great for fast-twitch sprinting.

Re:Sports is not a good analogy. Try this at home (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 8 years ago | (#16236493)

I'm also worried about the "nunchuck" attachment having such a short cord. how are you supposed to swing on arm around wildly while holding the other one still when you have only a 20" cable connecting both hands?

-Eric

Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (4, Insightful)

buswolley (591500) | about 8 years ago | (#16234117)

The funny thin about running is that the first time you do it, you can barely finish a mile. You are out of breath and you burn. Guess what. After you run it a few times yor body gets the idea and things become easier. You become stronger, with greater endurance, and.. well healthy.

Tell me how this is bad? Besides, exercise puts a person in a better mood and wakes you up.. Prime conditions for innovation.

Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (2, Interesting)

hollismb (817357) | about 8 years ago | (#16234633)

Actually, they feel just about the same as when I started. Some people do get blisters or sore thumb-tips though, agreed. Personally, I'm just about as concerened about the Wiimote as Peter is. I definitely want to try it out at some point, but I've always considered games as (at least physically) passive entertainment, something I do as a form of relaxation (I work out and run for excercize). Nintendo has turned that idea completely around. I'm just not sure I like it. Yet.

Re:But how innovative do your thumbs feel... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16236399)

I've played about four hours of an alpha build of Madden Wii. It wasn't fun and playing with 4 people was ridiculous, if not impossible. Two players is the absolute most to sensibly control things..

The controls are akward, exhausting, and have a very steep learning curve. Unless you sit down and practice the tutorials, you'll have trouble even throwing the football. Even then it's hit and miss, and the wii falsely detects the motion..

Other flaws include the instability of syncing the system up to the controllers wirelessly (sometimes it took us 10-15 minutes), and battery life was also an issue - why can't Nintendo splurge for a lithium ion cell and a charger, instead of draining two AAs daily. Yes, daily.

people seem confused (5, Insightful)

tont0r (868535) | about 8 years ago | (#16233305)

'The controller is innovative but it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.'

People dont seem to realise that you arent going to be cocking your whole arm back and exert enough force to chop a tree down. There are plenty of gameplay videos, including videos of Madden, where its a simple snap of the wrist in order to pass.

Re:people seem confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16233595)

Ok... then how innovative is your wrist going to feel?

Actually, I'm not really clear on how a body part would feel at varying levels of "innovative." I do think some Wii games will be a bit hard on the wrists, though.

Re:people seem confused (1)

jaysones (138378) | about 8 years ago | (#16233801)

I have a game for you. It's called television- you just sit and stare. Is that low-impact enough?

Re:people seem confused (1)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | about 8 years ago | (#16234023)

I would imagine that most Slashdotters are used to being "innovative" with their wrists.

Re:people seem confused (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 8 years ago | (#16234747)

Well, how does your arm feel after playing a game with a mouse?

Re:people seem confused (1)

JFMulder (59706) | about 8 years ago | (#16235125)

I don't agree with you. I don't see the point of playing a Wii game by being passive on a couch and doing simple flicks of the wrist. That to me looks incredibly boring. I think the fun in playing the Wii is making the actual motion with your arm. Also, please tell me how you'd similuate a golf swing or a baseball swing with just your wrist. Seems clunky to me. I might as well just push a button.

A case where expectation != reality (1)

jchenx (267053) | about 8 years ago | (#16235489)

I don't agree with you. I don't see the point of playing a Wii game by being passive on a couch and doing simple flicks of the wrist. That to me looks incredibly boring. I think the fun in playing the Wii is making the actual motion with your arm. Also, please tell me how you'd similuate a golf swing or a baseball swing with just your wrist. Seems clunky to me. I might as well just push a button.

I think a lot of people, unfortunately, have the same expectation as you do. A lot of it comes from the initial Wii video that Nintendo debuted, which showed people jumping around their couch, etc.

It's already been mentioned by several developers and 1st hand accounts that many of the Wii motions ARE going to be simple flicks of the wrist. A lot of it is due to arm strength issues. I cringe at the thought of playing a first-person shooter (like Metroid), where I have to keep my arm outstretched for long periods of time for aiming. (Try it yourself, you'll cave in a few minutes, no matter how fit you are ... unless you're a gymnast)

The exception, though, are the sports games ... where you ARE able to simulate an actual golf or baseball swing. That's not a big deal, since there is plenty of time between pitches and swings to rest up, just like the "real life" versions.

If you reword that headline... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16233309)

The Wii60 Plugs Peter Moore

That sounds much funnier, although it does have a slightly gay overtone.

Re:If you reword that headline... (1)

Thansal (999464) | about 8 years ago | (#16233519)

The Wii60 Plgs Moore Peter?

Re:If you reword that headline... (1)

buswolley (591500) | about 8 years ago | (#16234181)

60 Wii's plug Moore Peter

Re:If you reword that headline... (1)

dtfinch (661405) | about 8 years ago | (#16233767)

That should be "In Soviet Russia..."

Re:If you reword that headline... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16234695)

I translated* Wii and 360 into Russian, and 360 came out looking something like 'EGo' but Wii remained 'Wii'

* Mirror imaged each character.

You know what? (0, Troll)

DorkusMasterus (931246) | about 8 years ago | (#16233353)

I am totally getting a Wii, so this is not slanted in any way, but honestly, I'm concerned about the strain that using a motion-sensitive controller for every game, every movement, etc. will have. Seriously. I'm all for getting up off the couch, interactivity, and innovation. However, when I want to do some monster gaming session on Zelda, or Metroid Prime or something, how long can I really play before my body says "sit down, and stop flailing about. Plug that GC controller in right now, young man..." :)

But I think the Wii-60 argument is really compelling. The idea that you can buy both machines for a price comparable to the PS3, and have both next-gen graphics as well as innovative gameplay... I don't really see why you wouldn't, especially as we're entering this age of multi-platform games being the norm, due publishers and devs trying to make back their high development costs.

Re:You know what? (1, Offtopic)

whoop (194) | about 8 years ago | (#16233715)

With the HD-DVD coming out for X360 at $200, doesn't that put it pretty much in the same ballpark as PS3?

Re:You know what? (1)

doormat (63648) | about 8 years ago | (#16233817)

Yea, but I dont think 100% of the 360 buyers are going to be getting HDDVD add-ons right from the start. So its really only on the same level as the PS3 for about 10% of the people out there who have the budget for a several thousand dollar HDTV, $600 console, $60 games and $25 HDDVDs. I happen to be one of them, and even then I'm buying a 360 and a Wii.

Re:You know what? (1)

powerlord (28156) | about 8 years ago | (#16235031)

... about 10% of the people out there who have the budget for a several thousand dollar HDTV ...


Ummm ... there are sub $1000 HDTVs out there right now, for sale in lots of electronics stores. I'm not saying they are "Top of the line", "take 1080p and aren't just upconverting a lower res signal", or "as big as my wall".

On the other hand, not everyone needs/wants a TV big enough so the scale of the digital characters is 1:1. Most of the cheap sets are in the 30" and under range.

Not saying this path is as cheap as an $200 21" Trintitron yet, but several hundred is way different then several thousand.

Re:You know what? (3, Insightful)

ElleyKitten (715519) | about 8 years ago | (#16233841)

With the HD-DVD coming out for X360 at $200, doesn't that put it pretty much in the same ballpark as PS3?
Does everyone want HD-DVD? I'll take that $200 and buy more DVDs and games, thank you.

Re:You know what? (0, Troll)

theStorminMormon (883615) | about 8 years ago | (#16235781)

That's the beauty of the MS strategy. Sony is making everyone pay for the the Blue-Ray. MS knows that everyone out there just wants to know that they can upgrade the 360 to HD-DVD. You know, if they wanted to. No one likes to say "never" to a possibly cool next-gen idea. But rather than going overboard and forcing everyone to commit, MS just left the door open for everyone.

Even though I doubt many people will buy the HD-DVD accessory, it's critical for xbox 360 sales for people to know they could.

-stormin

Re:You know what? (1)

DarkJC (810888) | about 8 years ago | (#16236109)

The Blu-ray isn't just movies, although I agree with you that it sucks for some to be forced to pay for that functionality when buying a PS3. It's also for increased storage space in games. I know there is the option of multiple discs, but given all things I'd rather avoid it. Is avoiding it worth $200? I don't know. I'm not an expert in game development, but I believe that once the extra capacity is taken advantage of, won't that result in better looking games, or games with more content (*cough* higher quality FMV I'm looking at you Final Fantasy *cough*) ?

Re:You know what? (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | about 8 years ago | (#16236433)

Except it won't play HD-DVD games, which defeats a lot of the purpose. Basically, if you have or are getting a 360 and are planning on buying an HD-DVD player anyway, Microsoft's got a fairly cheap option. But the combined price is still expensive enough that anyone that wasn't looking for a 360 (or an HD-DVD player) isn't going to care.

Even if it did play HD-DVD games, very few games would be HD-DVD just because so few 360 owners would have it. Remember Sega CD and 32x? Not exactly Sega's brightest moves. So, no, Microsoft's strategy is not beautiful.

Re:You know what? (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | about 8 years ago | (#16234001)

With the HD-DVD coming out for X360 at $200, doesn't that put it pretty much in the same ballpark as PS3?

Yup! Thus further confirming that it is the Blu-Ray drive that makes the PS3 so expensive. If Blu-Ray were an optional feature for the PS3 and the console cost the same as the 360, do you think most people would opt for the more expensive Blu-Ray equipped version or not?

RSI? (1)

Krommenaas (726204) | about 8 years ago | (#16233803)

I'm mostly worried about the games that require you to use the remote to aim at targets on the screen or to move a pointer. When you're holding a remote in your hand naturally it's pointing about 20-30 degrees upwards, if you have to aim it straight forward for a long time it could get very uncomfortable in the wrist.

Re:RSI? (1)

pembo13 (770295) | about 8 years ago | (#16234755)

Frankly I see this as a good thing. Similar to feeling burnt out after doing an activity for too long. Shoudl curb "over gaming".

Re:RSI? (1)

Thansal (999464) | about 8 years ago | (#16236039)

Any Dev worth their salt will encorporate this into their design.

Remember, if we can come up with all these problems just sitting here wishing we could play with the Wii now, think about everything that Devs will come up with when they have the actual console to work with.

Re:RSI? (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | about 8 years ago | (#16236069)

I dunno, that didn't stop the Virtual Boy from being released. Surely they found that it would cause eye-strain during their QA testing?

Re:You know what? (2, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | about 8 years ago | (#16235421)

I am totally getting a Wii, so this is not slanted in any way, but honestly, I'm concerned about the strain that using a motion-sensitive controller for every game, every movement, etc. will have. Seriously. I'm all for getting up off the couch, interactivity, and innovation. However, when I want to do some monster gaming session on Zelda, or Metroid Prime or something, how long can I really play before my body says "sit down, and stop flailing about. Plug that GC controller in right now, young man..." :)

Exactly. People think the controller is going to be some wonderful gaming device, but it is strictly for casual and brief gaming. Any more than that and you will get wrist strain. The situation is exacerbated because the thing has so few buttons that many games will have to rely on weird gestures to perform actions that you can do with a button press on another console. Not only are gestures slower than button presses, but they'll just make wrist strain even more likely than it already is. I wonder how many Wii games will bother to support the "classic" joystick seeing as it's sold separately.

Having said that, I saw a review of a game that would work great on the Wii - Okami. The game requires the user to do gestures with an analogue stick, but the Wii remote would work far better.

But I think the Wii-60 argument is really compelling. The idea that you can buy both machines for a price comparable to the PS3, and have both next-gen graphics as well as innovative gameplay... I don't really see why you wouldn't, especially as we're entering this age of multi-platform games being the norm, due publishers and devs trying to make back their high development costs.

It isn't a comparable price unless you buy the "core" XBox 360 and then you're tossing out most of the reasons for buying a 360 in the first place, such as being able to play music (from the HD), download games or episodic content. All that's left is HD games and DVD player. And if you do buy a premium Xbox 360, why not just buy a PS3 and benefit from the bluray HD player, better performance and other bits and pieces it contains. So what's the point of buying two consoles? You may as well buy a Wii or buy a PS3. I don't see any compelling reason to an XBox 360 as well.

Count me skeptical (1)

rjung2k (576317) | about 8 years ago | (#16236359)

"People think the controller is going to be some wonderful gaming device, but it is strictly for casual and brief gaming. Any more than that and you will get wrist strain."

Excuse me for being skeptical until you actually get some factual evidence to support this. I mean, maybe I'm crazy, but I have a suspicion that Nintendo's engineers and playtesters would have noted such a problem -- if it exists -- long before the system was shown to the public.

Re:You know what? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 8 years ago | (#16235541)

The wii also has holes (ports?) for the original GC controllers. So you can still make games that use that controller, and plug in your GC controllers and play your GC games. I'm sure that there will be a few developers who will just tell you to use a GC controller. Which wouldn't be a big expense. Those things are only $30 CDN ($20 US, I Think). I know most people would pick up 1 or 2 if it made playing certain games a lot more comfortable, or if certain games supported only that.

Re:You know what? (1)

oc255 (218044) | about 8 years ago | (#16236037)

I'm exhausted. OSX vs Vista. Wii vs PS3. I just can't fight anymore. /. and digg speculation really takes it out of me. Nevermind, it's just the digg comments that take it out of me.

I have a 360 and I enjoy playing it, but it doesn't fast-forward or rewind mp3s (what). The Wii looks so revolutionary but can't you hear "I love the wiimote, I wish the games looked as good as the PS3 does". I mean, it could really turn out gimmicky. I hate to kill the excitement but if you can't precisely wave Link's sword, it's just not going to work for me. But *who knows* is my point.

White Knight on the PS3 killed me, I was floored. I guess I'm in the "sees it turning out either way" camp. Especially since "I wish the Wiimote could control the PS3" is a severe possibility in 2007.

Wii satisfaction (4, Funny)

Terminal Saint (668751) | about 8 years ago | (#16233379)

The question for me is whether owning a Wii on its own is going to be a satisfying enough experience."

I know my wii brings me lots of satisfaction...

Re:Wii satisfaction (1)

OmegaBlac (752432) | about 8 years ago | (#16233611)

Someone get this man a towel.

makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16233413)

It is terrible marketing (to admit that someone needs another platform to get a complete gaming experience) but, in reality, it makes sense. What the Wii represents (in my opinion) is the splintering of the market once again, the most recent splintering I can think of was with the Gameboy in the early 90s which created the trinity of Console/PC/and Handheld gaming which as continued to this day. For the most part people who decide to purchase a Wii will not come home with a PS3/XBox 360 and those that go out to buy a PS3/XBox 360 will not come home with a Wii; by focusing on how you can buy an XBox 360 and Wii for about the same price as a PS3 they aim to attract the (very large) segment of gamers who will own multiple platforms.

Re:makes sense (1)

timster (32400) | about 8 years ago | (#16233773)

created the trinity of Console/PC/and Handheld gaming

Oh, I get it!

Console - the Father; remember that the first mainstream electronic games were not PCs in any sense.
Handheld - the Son, birthed from the console.
PC - the Holy Ghost, naturally... because it's DEAD.

Re:makes sense (1)

rlp (11898) | about 8 years ago | (#16234051)

PC - ... because it's DEAD Uh oh! Prepare to be flamed by PC gaming zeolots with $900 video cards.

Re:makes sense (2, Insightful)

WilliamSChips (793741) | about 8 years ago | (#16236051)

PC - the Holy Ghost, naturally... because it's DEAD.
Just because consoles have finally learned to partially emulate the full richness of PC gaming(you console people think Halo is good for crying out loud, go play a real game like PC HL2) you think PCs are dead? All the best games are on the PC.

Re:makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16236283)

PC - the Holy Ghost? Are you forgetting that a gaming PC is a windows PC? Nothing Holy about that !

Controller... (4, Funny)

remembertomorrow (959064) | about 8 years ago | (#16233429)

I don't think Slashdot readers will have any problem with arm stamina... :P

Unless, of course, they don't use their dominant hand.

Re:Controller... (1)

GweeDo (127172) | about 8 years ago | (#16235255)

So you are saying that too much shield bashing in Zelda is going to wear me out?

That's Microsoft (5, Insightful)

dahwang (973539) | about 8 years ago | (#16233431)

There goes Microsoft trying to piggyback off the anticipated success of the Wii. They know the Wii will most likely succeed and will try as much as possible to connect the 360 with the Wii. The fact that the article mentions a Wii, is free publicity for Microsoft. Pretty smart, I must admit.

Yup. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16233847)

Microsoft knows that they're more likely to succeed by leveraging the "anybody but Sony, we hate Sony" bandwagon than they are if their product had to win on their own merits.

Re:That's Microsoft (1)

dahwang (973539) | about 8 years ago | (#16234923)

i think Microsoft is just happy that someone is the bad guy, and (for once) it's not Microsoft.

Wii For the Win! (0)

paladinwannabe2 (889776) | about 8 years ago | (#16233447)

If my shoulder hurts after an hour's play it means I'm actually getting a good workout in. With the obesity levels in America I certainly think we could use the exercise. And if people wonder why your right arm is buff and not your left you can tell them "it's from playing with my Wii". On second thought, you could tell them you're into bowling, fencing [wikipedia.org] , or some other sport that favors your right arm over the left.

Re:Wii For the Win! (1)

0xABADC0DA (867955) | about 8 years ago | (#16233775)

''Intellectuals think they're smart.''

Proof follows:

Intellectuals think, therefore they are smart. QWiiD.

Re:Wii For the Win! (1)

Cirak (992412) | about 8 years ago | (#16234575)

If my shoulder hurts after an hour's play it means I'm actually getting a good workout in.
Or it could mean that the repetitive, unnatural movements are actually causing undue strain on your shoulder. I hear the rotator cuff is a pretty easy thing to tear.

I'm all for lowering the obesity levels in America. I don't think that localised exercise in one arm is going to have much of an effect, though.

Re:Wii For the Win! (1)

pembo13 (770295) | about 8 years ago | (#16234819)

I don't think it gets more unnatural than thumbing a gamepad.

Re:Wii For the Win! (1)

Jason Earl (1894) | about 8 years ago | (#16236501)

What color is the sky in your world where swinging your arms is not a "natural" movement?

No one worries about hurting their shoulders hoeing beets, raking the leaves, fly fishing, chopping wood, or any other list of completely natural things that people do with their arms every day.

Re:Wii For the Win! (1)

gumpish (682245) | about 8 years ago | (#16235413)

"If my shoulder hurts after an hour's play it means I'm actually getting a good workout in."

No, it means you're straining something.

Good workouts aren't followed by immediate pain - good workouts result in Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOMS [wikipedia.org]

This is me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16233463)

I'm getting a Wii at launch, no matter what. When the 360 price goes down, or my budget goes up, or Mass Effect is released I will get a 360. No intention or need for a PS3 with those two machines and a high end PC in my house.

I'm unemployed and posting on slashdot about video (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16233471)

games.

all hail great mother india!

Re:I'm unemployed and posting on slashdot about vi (1)

NosTROLLdamus (979044) | about 8 years ago | (#16233747)

I think this is the first time I've laughed so hard at while on slashdot.

Re:I'm unemployed and posting on slashdot about vi (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | about 8 years ago | (#16234513)

The joke gets even better when you read the cut off reply subject.....

It's Called 'Brand Theft' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16233479)

It's like the unpopular kid at school who tries to stand next to the popular kid and use the word 'we' in referring to the two of them hoping some of that popularity will rub off on them. Kind of pathetic, but I guess Microsoft knows just how bad the Xbox brand is perceived by gamers that they have to resort to something like this.

With Xbox 360 sales worse than the first Xbox, by some 300-400k worldwide right now, someone high up in Microsoft probably should be asking what they spent that 5-6 billion dollars on 'building the Xbox brand' over the past five years. I would love to see Nintendo's real reaction to this attempt by Microsoft to latch on to their valuable branding. So far their responses are too politely Japanese, but I can't imagine they are too happy.

most gamers (3, Funny)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | about 8 years ago | (#16233517)

well seeing how most gamers play with their wee for 10-15 minutes with a few minutes between for hours on end I'm sure they could handle it.

So Sore... (2, Funny)

tonyr1988 (962108) | about 8 years ago | (#16233593)

it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.
I doubt your shoulder will be any more sore than after an hour's play of real football, baseball, or tennis (or killing people).

If the biggest problem with the Wii is that it's more realistic than the others (and apparently fun enough to play until you're sore), then props to Nintendo.

Re:So Sore... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16234233)

I doubt your shoulder will be any more sore than after an hour's play of real football, baseball, or tennis (or killing people).

If your shoulder is getting sore after an hour of killing people, you really need to improve your techinque. Work smarter, not harder.

Beat after an hour? (2, Insightful)

HatchedEggs (1002127) | about 8 years ago | (#16233617)

So you're saying that gamers are so out of shape that its going to put the hurting on you to play tennis for an hour?

See, in my opinion that is one of the greatest benefits that the Nintendo has. Imgine the marketing campaigns that they will be able to use and tell parents that their children will... now get this *actually get a work-out* while playing. Now, its not going to be the same thing, but it is still better than being totally dormant.

I am looking forward to playing some tennis, etc with my wife. I can't convince her to play traditional games, but if there is some physical activity involved she might consider playing every now and then.

Re:Beat after an hour? (1)

hollismb (817357) | about 8 years ago | (#16234789)

What happens when you go to the gym and lift weights pretty hard for an hour, and then try to hold you arms up playing a video game for another hour? Do you stop going to the gym in favor of playing video games (which really only will excersize one arm/shoulder), or do you stop playing video games (because doing both could be hard depending on how hard your workout was)? There's the question. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the idea that I'd have to wait a little while for the weakness/lactic acid to work it's way back out of my muscles to sit on the couch and play a game. Should I wait thirty minutes after I eat too?

Re:Beat after an hour? (1)

Telepathetic Man (237975) | about 8 years ago | (#16235343)

Bah, suck it up and go play.

Re:Beat after an hour? (1)

Dev59 (953144) | about 8 years ago | (#16235333)

People are really over-estimating the motion and "exercise" that will be required to play games for the Wii. You'll still be able to sit on the couch or in a bean bag with an elbow in your lap or propped on an arm-rest while you move the wii-mote around like a mouse. Inputting commands with the wii-mote isn't really any different from using mouse-gestures with a program like Opera.

It's not like you're going to be standing and spinning around to do things - you still have to point the wii-mote at the television - hence the motion strips you'll have to slap on your tv. Go sit on your couch in front of the tv, hold your hand out while holding the tv remote and see just how much you can move it while still pointing it AT the tv.

Sony's response (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16233719)

Real gamers are going to want the WiiS3.

Re:Sony's response (1)

SwiftX (672557) | about 8 years ago | (#16235883)

You mean the PSWii

Heh, not in Japan there won't be (0, Flamebait)

Yusaku Godai (546058) | about 8 years ago | (#16233809)

Yeah, X-Boxen are really flying off the shelves there. I can't even imaging a Japanese person walking into a game store to buy a Wii without walking out with a 360 in hand too.

Granted, I can't imagine why an American would either, but I'm highly biased against non-Japanese game systems, so anything I say is lunacy anyways.

Re:Heh, not in Japan there won't be (1)

LordNimon (85072) | about 8 years ago | (#16234427)

The plural of "box" is "boxes", not "boxen". Please do not propagate incorrect English.

Re:Heh, not in Japan there won't be (1)

freakboy9 (553277) | about 8 years ago | (#16234721)

True, unless the box is as big as an ox. Xboxen was a popular term used on them elite xbox hax0ring sites if I recall.

Re:Heh, not in Japan there won't be (1)

Yusaku Godai (546058) | about 8 years ago | (#16236323)

It's not incorrect English in a colloquial settings, such as this one, where it is commonly used and understood slang. Asshole.

Unfortunately I'm stuck (1)

Zinnian (958511) | about 8 years ago | (#16233835)

As much as Sony has done it's best not to get my business I will probably end up owning all 3 consoles eventually. I already own and enjoy the Xbox 360. The Wii will be purchased as soon as I can pick one up without preordering for Zelda and Metroid 3, and the Sony as soon as I can without preordering (which will most likely be considerably later then the Wii) for games like White Knight Story and the Final Fantasy's that will be exclusive.

Thumbs (1)

keyne9 (567528) | about 8 years ago | (#16233871)

'The controller is innovative but it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.'

Most likely no worse for wear than your thumbs (damned Street Fighter II).

Wii60 is idiotic (5, Insightful)

Twiceblessedman (590621) | about 8 years ago | (#16233915)

Let's see, what can I get for the price of a wii60? I can buy a wii, with an extra controller and a few games. The people going around spouting this wii60 crap are just doing the marketing for Microsoft by jumping on Nintendo's coattails which is pretty much brand theft. They are just hoping that this will help their dismal sales as they are about to be trounced by the PS3(especially since they just announced some price cuts) and Wii this christmas.

Whore60 (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | about 8 years ago | (#16235557)

For the cost of a PS3, I could buy an XBOX 360 and a couple of prostitutes to pleasure me while I play Geometry Wars! Clearly this is a superior value.

You're right, all of these "[non-PS3 console] + [something else] = PS3!" comparisons are pretty dang silly. If I can't afford a PS3, what makes you think I can afford "Wii60"? Not to mention the games you'd have to buy to justify having two consoles -- whether the combo cost the same as a PS3 or not, it would be dumb to have a $250/$400 console with one or two games.

It does make some sense though if you're the kind of person who would buy two consoles -- MS is basically making the case that you would have more money left over to buy the best games of theirs + nintendo's. Lucky for MS that the Wii almost fits in the price delta between the 360 and PS3. That's the only group I can see buying into this.

Hasn't hurt ... (3, Insightful)

rlp (11898) | about 8 years ago | (#16233965)

Dance Dance Revolution - which has been remarkably popular. DDR has even (according to previous Slashdot articles) made it into secondary school phys. ed. programs.

Re:Hasn't hurt ... (1)

Phisbut (761268) | about 8 years ago | (#16235105)

Dance Dance Revolution - which has been remarkably popular. DDR has even (according to previous Slashdot articles) made it into secondary school phys. ed. programs.

DDR looks pretty fun indeed, and a nice way to get fit(ter). Unfortunately, I never dared buy it since I live in a 4th floor apartment and I bet the family living under me would appreciate the dancing... Buying a house next year though, so I might get it then

Why not simplify.... (2, Insightful)

mbourgon (186257) | about 8 years ago | (#16234315)

and just buy a Wii? I already have a games machine (my PC), I'm at least somewhat interested in getting a console. Why the hell would I want 2?

Re:Why not simplify.... (1)

puppetman (131489) | about 8 years ago | (#16234413)


I agree. I have to have a PC for work.

If I was to get a console, I'd want one more family-friendly, something my wife would like. A controller with umpteen buttons, multiple analog and digital sticks, triggers, yada yada, wouldn't work.

Something she can swing around to approximate some sort of real-world action would be something she would try and quickly pick up.

"No no no - press the X-button twice while pushing up on the stick, and then press the left trigger....". No chance that she'd try that more than two or three times before asking, "What shows are on tv right now?"

Next Generation... (1)

SetupWeasel (54062) | about 8 years ago | (#16234323)

Of course they question the Wii. They always question the Wii. They are a broken record.

They also eat babies.

Why is "questioning" a bad thing? (1)

jchenx (267053) | about 8 years ago | (#16235133)


Of course they question the Wii. They always question the Wii. They are a broken record.

They also eat babies.

Why is questioning a yet-to-be-released console ever a bad thing? Especially one with a vastly different (although very interesting) control scheme?

People will naturally want to question anything that they don't have, and can't experience for themselves. Plenty of people questioned the 360 before it came out. And plenty of people are questioning both the Wii and the PS3. And many more will question future games and future consoles. This is a GOOD thing.

The alternative is to NOT question anything, and just keep building up hype, to the point that the product can't achieve the bloated expectations. Personally, I'd rather be "pleasantly surprised" rather than horribly disappointed.

Who is Peter Moore? (4, Funny)

kabocox (199019) | about 8 years ago | (#16234463)

I went to wiki to find out who this Peter Moore guy was..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Moore [wikipedia.org]
Peter Moore (chemist) (born 1939), professor at Yale University
Peter Moore (Microsoft), Microsoft executive
Peter Bullfrog Moore (1932-2000), Canterbury Bulldogs Rugby League official
Peter Moore (serial killer) (born c. 1940), British serial killer
Peter Moore (travel author) (born 1962), Australian travel writer
Peter Moore (Australian rules footballer), winner of the Brownlow Medal in 1979 and 1984
Peter Moore (politician), leader of Sheffield City Council, Yorkshire, England

Comparing the pictures, it turned out to be the MS executive. I was just wondering based on the comments the guy was spouting if he was the politican or serial killer though.

Re:Who is Peter Moore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16236239)

Actually, I kept thinking he was this guy [dreamhost.com] . KNEEL BEFORE ZOD.

Increase in 360 sales? (1)

Amalas (949415) | about 8 years ago | (#16234465)

Do you think we would see a large increase in 360 sales, just from the "Wii60" people trying to 'stick it' to Sony?

Workout video (games) (1)

chefmattrock (996275) | about 8 years ago | (#16234865)

How is it that people have talked this much about getting a one armed workout, while never mentioning Dance Dance Revolution? That one even has a cardio workout mode! Not that I've ever played, of course...

Re:Workout video (games) (1)

androvsky (974733) | about 8 years ago | (#16235769)

Well, keep in mind the Gamecube has one DDR game, the Xbox has three, and the PS2 has five as of this week, and that's just the US releases. Add in Japan and the PS1 DDR releases there's probably close to fifteen DDR games for Sony systems. I guess no one wants to toss in something that could be seen as pro-Sony on Slashdot these days.

Unless it's a Guitar Hero story, but now that it's coming out for the 360 we don't need the exception anymore.

And yes, I definitely see DDR as a game that can take advantage of the storage space of Blu-Ray if they can get enough video rights (and some really nice surround sound too).

Yeah, that! (1)

Lisandro (799651) | about 8 years ago | (#16235131)

The controller is innovative but it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.

God forbid console nerds get some exercise :)
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