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The Decade of the N64

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the all-smash-all-the-time dept.

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1up is running a piece looking back at the ten years since the N64's launch. The start of Nintendo's slump, the N64 still managed to come out of the console wars with some great and lasting memories, like GoldenEye, Smash Bros., and Ocarina of Time. From the article: "Nintendo certainly gave players plenty of time to get all 120 stars. By the end of 1996, the N64 still had fewer than a dozen games, and even that anemic library was glutted with mediocrity like Mortal Kombat Trilogy and Cruis'n USA. Sure, there were gems like Mario Kart 64 and Turok: Dinosaur Hunter, and there was the stubborn optimism of Nintendo of America President Howard Lincoln (who insisted N64 games sold more than 250,000 per title), but industry commentators were starting to see through the emperor's clothes. Meanwhile, Sony was turning up the heat with massive blockbusters like Final Fantasy VII." The Press the Buttons blog has some additional commentary on Nintendo's first 'meh' console.

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Uh Perfect Dark? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16233975)

Those other games mentioned in the summary are great, but Perfect Dark was the best action game for the N64, more so then Goldeneye. 5 page article and only one mention of it.

Re:Uh Perfect Dark? (4, Insightful)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234343)

Nothing could truly perpare you for unlocking darksims, eagerly loading them into the next slo-motion multiplayer game and watching them spin their torso around and shooting at you while continuing to climb a ladder.

List 'o memories:

-You killing Elvis' friend in the underwater mission. "Everything's going wrong!" while he tears at his hair in an eerily poignant moment.
-The amusing lines of other guards when you headshot someone in another room with a silenced weapon. "MY GOD! Whhhyyyyyy!"
-The bonus mission where you replay an earlier level but get access to other areas (alien suicide mission to blow up the spaceship so it doesn't fall into human hands). I always liked those "you should not be here..." wall textures in other early FPS.
-...and Morgan Freeman as "The President"
-Laptop sentry guns saving the day in combat simulator challenge missions

Re:Uh Perfect Dark? (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235007)

Still one of the best games of all times. Too bad the 360 game was utter crap. I played it and wished I hadn't. I'll take bad framerate 7 year old textures any day over that game.

Favorte multiplayer moments???

Poison knife in the corpse so they wake up dieing.

Lethal injection around the corner!

Alien sniper rifle campers

PROXY PINBALL

Fly-by-wire enemas

Elvis' head is an easy target

Re:Uh Perfect Dark? (4, Interesting)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235345)

Nothing could truly perpare you for unlocking darksims, eagerly loading them into the next slo-motion multiplayer game and watching them spin their torso around and shooting at you while continuing to climb a ladder.


If I recall something Rare said before on their letters page, they specifically made the Dark Sims to be unfair. Like, they could shoot from ladders like that, they could run faster than you could, they could fire without reloading, they could get infinite ammo at their whims, they could see through walls, etc. And I could swear I once saw a Dark Sim that I killed simply fade away and immediately respawn elsewhere, instead of flailing backward and taking a few seconds to respawn like any other player/sim.

I kinda liked that. If you're so l33t at PD that you can take on anything, it'll give you something blatantly unfair to deal with. Except on that same letters page, they still admitted that none of the sims of any skill knew how to deal with explosions (either firing or reacting to an explosion in progress).

That's another thing about the N64. They had an interesting amount of quirks to their games. Or maybe that was just Rare's N64 days. Ah, fun.

Re:Uh Perfect Dark? (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237017)

One of the unfair parts is that their accuracy goes up if you run faster. Get a map with 8 darksims, those railgun things, and just stand in a corner. They'll find you and... hit the walls around you with perfect accuracy.

Re:Uh Perfect Dark? (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237057)

Kind of depressing, but my college roommates and I got good enough at PD that Darksims had nothing on us. Even at 4 on 8 we could school them most of the time. I'm not sure if they could see through walls (I'm sure they could see behind themselves as you only had enough time for them to turn around to shoot them in the back), but they didn't seem to ever need to reload or pick up ammo.

Players could shoot from latters too, you just had to be moving in the direction of the latter. Another trick that you could use is fast running, which worked on PD and Goldeneye. All you needed to do was hold up and strafe at the same time and you'd move about 1.41x's faster (it didn't seem to average out your speed when moving diagonally). This would allow you to keep up (or catch up with) the Darksims.

To be fair, I think the low framerate had a lot to do with it. And I think that fact that we played the game for 2-3 hours a day (much more on weekends) for over a year helped even more. Ahh... Perfect Dark. You gave me bad grades... House of the Dead on Dreamcast didn't help either...

Re:Uh Perfect Dark? (1)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 7 years ago | (#16238065)

Kind of depressing, but my college roommates and I got good enough at PD that Darksims had nothing on us.


Well, I never said they were PERFECT...

No, wait, those would be the next rating down from Dark. Erm...

It'sa me, Mario! (1)

kyouteki (835576) | more than 7 years ago | (#16233999)

Even though I got my Nintendo 64 two years before I had a Playstation (imagine the N64 kid, but a bit more sedate), I only owned 4 games for the system - Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Super Smash Bros, and TLOZ:OOT. Granted, I spent a lot of money getting games at Blockbuster, but with a few exceptions (Goldeneye, Starfox 64) I had every game I ever wanted to play for more than a weekend. When I finally got a Playstation, I went on to buy at least a dozen games.

I'm not at all saying that there weren't good games made for the N64...but rather, the amount of "must-own" games was tragically small.

Re:It'sa me, Mario! (1)

dalmiroy2k (768278) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234325)

"I'm not at all saying that there weren't good games made for the N64...but rather, the amount of "must-own" games was tragically small."

Sadly, the same thing happened with Gamecube

Re:It'sa me, Mario! (1)

kyouteki (835576) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234527)

Not only did it happen with the Gamecube, it was worse for the Gamecube. In fact, I think the only "Must-Own" game for the GCN is Super Smash Brothers Melee.

Re:It'sa me, Mario! (2)

freakboy9 (553277) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235107)

For me, 'Eternal Darkness' and nothing else.
SSBM was ok too, but it really required friends.. :)

Re:It'sa me, Mario! (2, Funny)

kyouteki (835576) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235393)

Oh, right, I forget this is Slashdot...

Re:It'sa me, Mario! (1)

DeadChobi (740395) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235491)

I really hate playing Smash Brothers. So for me, there were NO must-own games, though F-Zero GX was close. I have a feeling I'm going to be waiting several years for something I actually want to play to come out on the Wii. Something in the jRPG set that I can completely lose myself in for several days at a time.

Re:It'sa me, Mario! (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235585)

For Star Wars fans, it's Rogue Squadron: Rogue Leader
Super Monkey Ball 2, Mario Kart:DD, PacMan Vs, WarioWare might be multiplayer "must haves"
Metroid Prime comes close as well.

Meh? (3, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234033)

The Press the Buttons blog has some additional commentary on Nintendo's first 'meh' console.

I'm not following this sudden 'meh' comment. The N64 was a great machine with a lot of great games. Its only real failing was that it was bloody expensive due to its cartridge format. Nintendo still had a solid base going into the Gamecube. It's just too bad they pissed it away with a poor launch lineup, loss of third party support, and a rather small library of *good* games.

Probably the biggest blow, however, was the loss of Rare and its properties. Rare carried the N64 with its Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie, and Conqeror titles. Unfortunately, the loss was internal to Rare, so there wasn't much Nintendo could do other than unload it. :(

Re:Meh? (2, Insightful)

Amalas (949415) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234363)

I'm not following this sudden 'meh' comment. The N64 was a great machine with a lot of great games.
I agree. The N64 was the first console I ever had and it was great! Ocarina was the first game I ever beat and I wasted sooo much time playing Goldeneye.

I did finally trade in the 64 to get a Gamecube, but I believe I kept the Ocarina game for sentimental value. Or something.

Anyway, how dare they call the N64 'meh'!

Re:Meh? (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235127)

I did finally trade in the 64 to get a Gamecube, but I believe I kept the Ocarina game for sentimental value. Or something.


Understandable, I've still got my "Basic Programming" and "Codebreaker" cartridges from the Atari 2600 on my shelf ... ... ...

Sorry, dozed off, must be time for my nap or something. :)

Re:Meh? (1)

Hercynium (237328) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234553)

I'm not particularly enamored with the game selection for the N64, but it had one thing that has spoiled me for every console since - the controller.

You know, the one that looked like the Batman logo... Maybe it's just me, but I found the control for games like Mario64, TLo Zelda *, StarFox64 and even GoldenEye to be superb.

The PS* style controllers aren't all bad, but the analog sticks couldn't compare. I could never get the hang of the GameCube controller for some reason - I think it's the different sizes and shapes of the buttons, plus I just couldn't 'feel' the analog properly. (And WHY put the Z button where I could never reach it? WHY???) :)

Of course, I still pull out the ol' IntelliVision from time to time and have lots of fun - maybe I'm just getting old and inflexible...

Re:Meh? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234917)

Of course, I still pull out the ol' IntelliVision from time to time and have lots of fun - maybe I'm just getting old and inflexible...

Space Spartans, Shark! Shark!, Beauty and the Beast, Space Battle, Utopia, Thin Ice, Burgertime, Happy Trails, Dreadnaught Factor... yeah, I could go on. What great games those were.

Kudos on your taste in systems! Back in the day, that thing kicked the 2600 in the rear. Even now, it kicks the PS2 up between the ears. ;)

Re:Meh? (1)

NoseSocks (662467) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236789)

And who could forget their many incarnations of "TRON", especially the one that used the voice expansion. I really liked "Minotaur" for the IntelliVision. Very challenging.

Re:Meh? (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236089)

I maintain that the Goldeney/Perfect Dark control setup is the only one that is in any way intuitive on a console.

Halo? Meh, after playing it for a couple hours, I could at least move like I wasn't a retarded toddler, but I still felt the baggage of the control system weighing me down. That one James Bond game on the PS2? Same problem. Any game on the N64 that was dumb enough not to use (or even to make available as an alternative) the G/PD button mapping? AWFUL, to the point that playing it was only worthwhile if the game itself was truly great.

Mouse+Keyboard remains the best, but give me the Goldeneye controls if I must play on a console!

Re:Meh? (0)

Loco3KGT (141999) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234565)

a lot of great games? I remember getting the N64 for my 17th birthday - I got it with Mario and Cruis'n USA.

I don't remember playing much of anything after that. 8 years later and now consider the N64 as the worst system I've ever owned on the account of lack of games worth playing. GoldenEye is pretty much the only game I remember ever playing that was actually fun.

Re:Meh? (4, Informative)

Zardus (464755) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235033)

Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Turok: Rage Wars, Super Smash Bros, Jetforce Gemini, Bomberman 64, Mario Party. That's 10 absolutely amazing games for the N64. Some of them are unrivaled to this day by any current offerings (I have yet to play a console shooter that is as diverse and fun as Perfect Dark. The amount of weapons, levels, bots, options, etc in that game was staggering. Also, Bomberman 64 is the best bomberman game ever made and the only one worth playing, IMO). Some of these were only surpassed by sequels (Super Smash Bros), and many practically defined current/last-gen gaming.

Although from that list, 8 of the titles had multiplayer play as one of their biggest features (sure, you could play Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, and Bomberman single-player, and we did, but a huge part of those games was playing with/against your friends), so if you didn't have many friends that played video games back then the N64 probably wasn't for you. Me and my brother had 3 or 4 friends over every weekend, and there would always be at least 4 of us crowding the N64. We played every multiplayer game on that list for hundreds of hours. Every group of friends I hung out at the time had and played the N64, and every gathering would see 4-player of some game or other. To us, the Playstation was a laughingstock. There was absolutely no value in it. Sure, you could sit alone playing FFVII or whatnot, or you could all hang out and have insane amounts of fun playing the N64. So, it was the N64 for us.

I didn't even know that the PSX outsold the N64 until well into the Gamecube era. I started hearing that Sony won that generation and was very confused, because out of probably 15 or so people that we played games with regularly, only 2 had a playstation.

Its the same with the Gamecube for me. I have no interest in most single-player games. The only exception to that this generation has been Mario Sunshine and Zelda Wind Waker. Those are my two single-player games. My multiplayer games are: Super Smash Bros Melee, Mario Kart Double Dash, Wario Ware, Zelda Four Swords, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, some Mario Parties, Monkey Ball, F-Zero GX, Pacman VS, and so on. All the gamecube is missing is a decent shooter (the closest I know of this generation on any console is Halo, but Halo pales in comparison with Perfect Dark, so we play Perfect Dark on the 64 instead).

Re:Meh? (1)

Zardus (464755) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235113)

Starfox 64. I forgot Starfox 64. How could I forget Starfox 64?

Re:Meh? (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235731)

I'd even say Diddy Kong Racing is a match for Mario Kart...especially the battle modes, but it's also the only "fair" racer I've enjoyed.

Battle Tanx: Global Assault is yet to be duplicated on any current or next gen system... I want my damn Tokyo-Wars like tank combat! (WDL:ThunderTanks blows)

The original Rogue Squadron is great, as was Pokemon Puzzle League (albeit a rehash), Space Station Silicon Valley, and Blast Corps. And Mario Tennis.

I need to repurchase Bomberman 64 I think.

I think you should reconsider always going back to PD... Time Splitters 2 (and I think 3, Future Perfect, or Imperfect, or something) are very decent shooters for the GC featuring GREAT co-op missions and a range of weapons and the like... though some people gripe about the zoom in aiming control on 2. And I think they were made from the same RARE core responsible for Goldeneye and PD. Other shooter darkhorses include the artsy XIII (has some framerate issues) and actually that early James Bond that came out (Agent Under Fire?)

(Somehow I kind of missed out on Goldeneye and PD, so now I'm just too distracted by the difficulty and framerate issues.)

Re:Meh? (1)

Zardus (464755) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237423)

You know what? You're awesome. I had thought that PD's development talent and tech all died from neglect, but Time Splitters looks really good. I almost got it a while back, when there was a lot of hype about it coming out, but unfortunately I didn't. It does look very awesome from reading about it, and I think I'll try to pick it up later tonight. Thanks!

Also, you're right on about Diddy Kong Racing. That's another game I forgot. Also Mario Tennis. I haven't played the others, though.

Re:Meh? (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236377)

Agreed. The only multiplayer games on the Playstation that were worth playing, IMHO, were the two Bushido Blade games.

Sort-of-realistic, one-hit-can-kill-or-cripple, Japanese-style sword duels? PERFECT for settling a long-running board game that everyone's sick of playing with (Risk and Diplomacy, especially).

SSB, Goldeneye, and Perfect Dark defined that era of gaming for me, as far as consoles were concerned. Oh, and that one game with the post-apocalypic storyline and the Queen Lords, that played like CTF with tanks... that game rocked.

Re:Meh? (1)

jsebrech (525647) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237809)

I pplayed a lot of bushido blade, but tekken 3 I felt was better crafted. It didn't have the "show" or sudden death factor of bushido blade, but I've never seen a martial arts combat game that had a better design when it came to character move variety and balance.

Re:Meh? (1)

ben there... (946946) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236597)

So many hours spent stoned with my friends after class playing Goldeneye or Mario Kart 64...ahh...the memories. Both were an intro to what would become LAN parties, except you only had to bring your controller for hours of enjoyment. I can't say I've really had that much fun with any other console. Taking turns with GTA just isn't the same.

Rage Wars? (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237231)

I'll give you every other game on your list. And agree 100% with you about Perfect Dark vs Halo I & II. But Turok: Rage Wars? I & II were a lot more fun than Rage Wars... Rage wars was like playing Unreal Tournament on the 64. Never enjoyed it. What did you like about it so much?

Re:Rage Wars? (1)

Zardus (464755) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237533)

Mostly what I liked about it was that it was like playing UT on the N64 :-). I didn't really play any non-DOS games on the PC at that time, so I hadn't seen or heard of UT. RW was more fast-paced than PD, and a few of my friends who were too intimidated by PD for some reason were all for playing Rage Wars.

Plus, there's something really funny about running around as the velociraptor while playing "catch the monkey" or whatever that mode is called.

But yeah, I guess you're right. Had I played UT beforehand, I wouldn't have gotten into Rage Wars. As for Turok 1 and 2, I didn't know that they even had multiplayer, and I didn't really play Rage Wars for single player at all (just enough to unlock whatever there was to unlock, I think).

Later on, when I got UT for the simple reason that it also ran on Linux, it singlehandedly catapulted me and my friends into having LAN parties. Looking back, I can definitely see what you mean about the gameplay being similar.

Re:Meh? (3, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235139)

I don't remember playing much of anything after that.


*deep breath*

Mario Party 1-3, Mario Kart 64, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Star Fox 64, Banjo-Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Donkey Kong 64, BlastCorp, Diddy Kong Racing, Killer Instinct Gold, Banjo-Tooie, Wave Race 64, Mario Golf, Super Smash Bros., F-Zero X, Hydro Thunder, SF Rush, SF Rush 2049, and that's without even trying.

You must have had your head stuck in the sand to not be able to find a good game, especially considering that the N64 had a much higher signal to noise ratio than the Playstation.

Re:Meh? (1)

Loco3KGT (141999) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235869)

Apparently we've got different views on "great games" ...

Donkey Kong? Killer Instinct Gold? Wave Race 64?

I owned Donkey Kong, it wasn't that exciting. It was Mario with a monkey. KI was fun, and Wave Race were fun, but fun as in "$3 weekend rental" when there was nothing else going on and not $50 purchase.

Of course, this is all subject to personal tastes and such.

Re:Meh? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236333)

KI and Wave Race were a lot more fun if you had company over. I had quite a few siblings to play with, so we got a lot more enjoyment out of these titles. Even so, there was still no excuse for not being able to find a fun N64 game. Half those games on the list (e.g. Zelda, StarFox, BlastCorp, Banjo, etc.) are excellent single player titles. :)

Re:Meh? (1)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236771)


Ok, two quick things.

1.) My brother and I had an N64. It was fun at the time to play golden eye. However, be honest with yourself. These games largely are not fun anymore. The console gaming world was new to 3-D, and most of the play control (I'm looking at you, Mario64) is just abysmal (wait, I was running forward, and now the camera autoswitched and I ran off the cliff to the left...).

The controller was wonky. The games yes were 3-D but even by standards a year or two after launch looked terrible (compare "Goldeneye", 1997, to "Unreal Tournament", 1999). I focus on GoldenEye cause it's the "killer game" for the system that everyone brings up. The controler + bad play control makes the games difficult to play. The bad graphics gave us problems aiming. I mean... I'm not all about graphics. I go back and play old games, and not for nostalgia - because they're good. But, Goldeneye offers nothing above subsequent first person shooters.

Seriously, go back and play a lot of those games. They're... not as fun as you remember. Or, they won't be anymore. And that's what makes a console, or a game, great - when it stands the test of time. ChronoTrigger stands the test of time. Hell, super mario world stands the test of time. The N64 was a reach that the console gaming world wasn't ready for, technologically. And the games don't stand the test of time. Honestly, would you rather go back and play goldeneye over Metal Gear Solid - which was released only a year later?

2.) Playstation did have bad signal to noise ratio. And I don't think it was the best console ever. But, let's be honest. When you've got 100 titles, and 10 killer games, versus 2000 titles, and 50 killer games... you still have 5 times the good games to choose from.

~Wx

Re:Meh? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237385)

However, be honest with yourself. These games largely are not fun anymore.

Speak for yourself. I still think Mario 64 is fun, I still love Mario Party, and I still think Goldeneye is cool. Yes, I have played them recently, so I'm basing this on more than feel-good memories.

The games yes were 3-D but even by standards a year or two after launch looked terrible

Um, the Playstation looked worse, so I'm not sure what your point is. The games were what they were for their generation. I can go back and laugh at the Atari 2600's graphics too, but that doesn't mean that they weren't revolutionary in 1977.

I focus on GoldenEye cause it's the "killer game" for the system that everyone brings up. The controler + bad play control makes the games difficult to play. The bad graphics gave us problems aiming.

Five words: Man with a Golden Gun (BLAM! HEADSHOT!)

Yeah, the graphics were rough on the 64. Again, that's what they were. But I've played Halo, and there's one thing I can say for certain: Sharp graphics or not, I can't hit the broad side of a barn with the XBox's controllers. With the N64, well... BLAM! HEADSHOT!

Playstation did have bad signal to noise ratio. And I don't think it was the best console ever. But, let's be honest. When you've got 100 titles, and 10 killer games, versus 2000 titles, and 50 killer games... you still have 5 times the good games to choose from.

If you want to be honest, let's be honest. The Playstation did not have more qualtiy games than the N64. I can rattle off 25 or so N64 games off the top of my head. More if I look them up. Yet finding the same number of high quality Playstation games is tough. It says a lot when one of the most popular games for the Playstation (Tomb Raider) was a port of a popular PC game!

Re:Meh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16236811)

Well, let's just look at the top 10 videogames of all time (as ranked by Gamerankings.com)

  1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
  2. Soul Calibur (DC)
  3. Metroid Prime (GC)
  4. Tekken 3 (PS)
  5. Resident Evil 4 (GC)
  6. Super Mario 64 (N64)
  7. GoldenEye 007 (N64)
  8. Resident Evil 4 (PS2)
  9. Halo: Combat Evolved (XBOX)
  10. Half-Life 2 (PC)


So 3 games in the top 10, 10 years after the system was released (a fourth game in the top 20; Perfect Dark); some of these games are so revolutionary (Super Mario 64 and The Legend of Zelda OoT) that people argue that, to this day, no game has surpassed them in quality. To be completely honest, anyone who didn't own most of the following games probably didn't even attempt to enjoy the N64, each and every one of these games were amazing:

  • The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
  • The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
  • 1080 Snowboarding
  • Paper Mario
  • Mario Tennis
  • Mario Kart
  • Mario Party
  • Mario Golf
  • Super Mario 64
  • GoldenEye 007
  • Perfect Dark
  • Jet Force Gemini (highly under-rated)
  • Banjo Kazooie
  • Donkey Kong 64
  • Excitebike 64
  • Conker's Bad Fur Day
  • Turok: Dinosaur Hunter (the original was a game that didn't suck)
  • Star Wars: Rogue Squadron

Re:Meh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16234903)

It's just too bad they pissed it away with a poor launch lineup, loss of third party support, and a rather small library of *good* games


You say this describing the cube, but it really describes the N64 experience perfectly. Arguably the worst and least diverse launch ever, followed by very few if any 3rd party games (since it was hard to cram CD sized games to a cart) and only a small handful of awesome games, almost all of which were first- or second-party.

Re:Meh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16234945)

"Probably the biggest blow, however, was the loss of Rare and its properties. Rare carried the N64 with its Donkey Kong, Banjo & Kazooie, and Conqeror titles. Unfortunately, the loss was internal to Rare, so there wasn't much Nintendo could do other than unload it. :("

Nintendo totally bailed on Rare at the right time. Rare's product cycles had gotten completely ridiculous...years and years for each game. They were lucky the games turned out well, mostly, or else they would have had huge financial issues. And since they left Nintendo consoles (except the portables, of course), how has Rare done? Have they released anything besides Perfect Dark Zero? And didn't that just get average reviews? I think Rare has a bit of a curse: they did Goldeneye, but Perfect Dark received much more mediocre response. They did Banjo Kazooie, but Banjo Tooie and DK46 received much more mediocre response. Is that the first games they make in a genre are untoppable, or are they just unable to do it again?

Not that I care, but the article backs me up - Rare hit its peak on the N64.

But who am I to reply to someone who talks about Rare in the N64 days by mentioning "Conqeror" and DK64 as losses and not mentioning Goldeneye?

Re:Meh? (2, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235213)

Nintendo totally bailed on Rare at the right time.

Yeah, no kidding. Because the loss was internal to Rare. (Is there an echo in here?) Rare lost the programmers that made it Rare, then went down the tube quickly. There was nothing Nintendo could do except unload it. (There's that echo again.)

Fitting that it's been 10 years. (0, Troll)

soulctcher (581951) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234061)

I find it quite fitting that we've seen 10 years of mediocrity. This will put a cap on a decade where the Big N was not so big. Sure, there were great titles here and there for the N64 and the Cube, but let's face it, we saw so much better in the NES and SNES. The potential that the Wii has is extremely high. If it lives up to even half of its hype, it will be the console to beat.

Re:Fitting that it's been 10 years. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16234973)

Personally I don't see it as a decade of mediocrity. I see it as a decade in which a company dedicated to making good games and TURNING A PROFIT on their console sales, was forced to compete with 2 companies with vastly larger budgets, who both took major losses in advancing their consoles to get market share, which in turned, encouraged more game makers targeting their platforms.

Granted, Nintendo made some design deciscions that I think hurt it(sticking with the cartridge format for example, even though I personally prefer cartridges). But I think people need to consider the bloodletting strategies of the two monsters with deep pockets more than anything in any type of reasonable analysis of what has been Nintendos problem in the last decade.

And let's be honest, the fact that they're not only still alive, but also profitable despite fighting not one, but two goliaths, says a lot about the validity of their strategy.

Re:Fitting that it's been 10 years. (2, Interesting)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236609)

I dont think it was so much that Nintendo's quality went down as much as what gamers wanted went from gameplay to pretty graphics. Paper Mario was a great game but compare it to the pretty cinematics of Final Fantasy 7 and which one would you pick? I would even be willing to say that the majority were willing to lower their standards a bit for prettier games. Sony was able to build enough hype of the playstation and a general belief that if a game is bigger in size its better in quality and continued to build on that with the PS2.

This generation is IMHO the first one in a long time where they are all starting out even, 3rd party support is bigger than its been in a long time for Nintendo but they still have the half true-half false tarnished legacy of the past, Sony has brough itself back to the pack with its pricing scheme, delays and lackluster launch titles and the 360 is still plodding along with all the baggage that the Microsoft name lends to the console. I really think this is going to be the first true "console war" since the SNES vs Genesis vs Turbografx days.

Learn English (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16234087)

People who say "meh", spell fail with a "ph", or toss out 1337 speak should all be shot. Seriously. Dead.

Re:Learn English (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16234329)

It all began with the fone phreaks. Damn hippies.

No mention of Conker??? (4, Insightful)

skyshock21 (764958) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234135)

Conker's Bad Fur Day was the best game ever for the 64. It'd be great if they did an update on it for the Wii.

Re:No mention of Conker??? (1)

ScislaC (827506) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234529)

Rare actually owns the IP rights for Conker. Unfortunately, a few years ago Microsoft bought Rare and with it they got the Conker's franchise... and they released a visually updated (and slightly less challenging) version of the same game from the N64 on the XBOX. For note, there were a couple changes from the N64 to XBOX version but mostly it was in multi-player.

The Irony of the XBox version... (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234749)

The XBox version of the game also has more censored profanity and other gross little things. In the end, the N64 version was more adult-rated than the XBox version.


This was a pretty rare thing because usually Nintendo has the tightest censorship issues, and the lack of censorship is in part what has sold so many XBoxes.

Re:No mention of Conker??? (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234847)

and they released a visually updated (and slightly less challenging) version of the same game from the N64 on the XBOX.

Admittedly I haven't played through the entire game yet, but it seems to me that the gratuitous sprinkling of those fookin' spikey barrel guys throughout the game--not to mention the changes that keep the camera close to and behind Conker more than previously--make Conker: Reloaded MORE challenging than the original, rather than less.

Re:No mention of Conker??? (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235499)

At least one place... swimming through the dangerous spinning blades... each MUCH much easier with the ability to place the camera so that it's essentially parallel to the line of the blades. Much less floating bloody squirrel meat chum in the water...

Still, the voice acting remained absolutely horrendous. Conker mugs like the boys in my middle school drama club.

It wasn't great, but Mencia wasn't entirely right (2, Informative)

shadexiii (723888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234261)

Goldeneye, Starfox, Smash Bros, Mario, Mario Kart, Star Wars Pod Racer, the two zelda games, the other star wars game that was good yet I can't remember the name of. It wasn't that there weren't great games, there simply weren't games falling from the sky like rain.

It wasn't a 'meh' console, it was simply one that had had quality and not quantity. I'd still play mine if the controllers weren't prone to get that wobbly joystick feeling after almost no time. I guess that's my only complaint, the controllers sucked in terms of quality.

Re:It wasn't great, but Mencia wasn't entirely rig (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234409)

the other star wars game that was good yet I can't remember the name of

Shadows of the Empire? Good thing they opened with a flightsim level or I'd never have bought it. The Hoth and Asteroid Field levels were fun, but the third-person levels had awful play control. They eventually got it right with Starfighter and Jedi Starfighter on PS2, though.

Re:It wasn't great, but Mencia wasn't entirely rig (2, Insightful)

discstickers (547062) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235493)

I think he mean Rouge Squadron

Re:It wasn't great, but Mencia wasn't entirely rig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16236931)

I think he mean Rouge Squadron

Or one of its highly successful followups: Concealer Brigade or Siege at Mascara.

Re:It wasn't great, but Mencia wasn't entirely rig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16234657)

The Star Wars game you're thinking of is probably Shadows of the Empire (or maybe Rogue Squadron, but SotE was the bomb)

Re:It wasn't great, but Mencia wasn't entirely rig (1)

Braino420 (896819) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235651)

I'd still play mine if the controllers weren't prone to get that wobbly joystick feeling after almost no time. I guess that's my only complaint, the controllers sucked in terms of quality.
My friends and I still play Mario Kart 64 everyday on our projector. We even have the gaycube version, but never play it. It is one of the greatest games ever, but you are correct about the joysticks... we have about 8 controlls, 5 are so warn down they are the "handicap or marioparty controllers"

I really hope the Wii version is an improvement (unlike the purple lunchbox one *shudder*).

PS vs N64 (4, Insightful)

bussdriver (620565) | more than 7 years ago | (#16238001)

PS: 50+ copied games
played 8 of them
replayed 3
heavily played 1

N64: 12 games, many rented
played 11
replayed 9
heavily played 3

The best game of the period, Mario Kart 64:
Priceless.

Ahh, such a good console! (2, Insightful)

chebucto (992517) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234411)

Will any game ever be better than F1 World Grand Prix? I seriously doubt it. If there is a better game in existence, it's probably GoldenEye, or Ocarina. The N64 kicked ass.

oh, and by the way, does anyone else here prefer the cartridge format? No danger of scratches, quick load-times, generally a physically strong media.

With today's cheap and expansive flash memory, shouldn't someone be thinking about bringing cartridges back? Surely 1-2GB is enough for passably good graphics

Re:Ahh, such a good console! (1)

reanjr (588767) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234907)

Still too expensive. Think of how much a 2GB flash costs compared to a DVD and what kind of profit margins the company would be looking at.

Also, optical media doesn't have to be slow loading, they just need to write better code and organize their data better. As an example, Load up either of the Metroid games and see how blazingly fast they load. You can also test load times for areas by timing how long a door takes to open after you shoot it. Except for the very large rooms, it's near instantaneous.

Sony is mainly responsible for making optical media seem poor and set a very low bar that unfortunately, MS is following somewhat. We'll see how PS3 does...

Re:Ahh, such a good console! (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235203)


Still too expensive. Think of how much a 2GB flash costs compared to a DVD and what kind of profit margins the company would be looking at.


Think of what flash readers cost, and think of how much they would be saving... Sony is dishing out $250 for that bluray drive, ouch. Flash readers cost what, a few bucks?

Assuming flash costs an extra $20 per game (and I imagine it is not that high, I don't know what the production cost for bluray discs is, especially if you take into consideration the cost of ramping up an entire factory just to produce the things, versus using existing factories for flash), not until after someone has bought 13 games to you begin to go "hey, I could have made more money on a disc based system".

Reasoning: Put bluray in drive, you are down $250. With each disc you sell, you make an extra $20, so after 13 discs have been sold, you have made back the $250 it cost to use bluray.

Flash: You start off having saved $250 per console, but each game you sell represents $20 in lost profit. 13 games later, you go "wow I should have used a bluray drive".

Of course when using open standards that are constantly improving, you can count on the storage limit increasing after awhile. Bluray discs are bluray discs, and will never be increasing in size. A good flexible flash reader can be made in an era of 64MB cards and still work with 1GB cards.

Of course right now flash technology is not up to what is needed for large games, 1GB chips are affordable (and Nintendo could probebly source them for less than $15 each), but really something bigger is needed. Discs are nice because they represent a fixed cost of no more than a few cents per disc, a price that is going to, worst case stay the same, and most likely decrease.

The price point Nintendo is targetting is also lower than what Sony is going after, a $30 game that is $15 for the cartridge, $5 for the box and shipping, well, that is only $10 profit. Compare that to about $1 for the entire disc + box combo for optical media, and all of a sudden you have over twice the profit. Nice.

Not that it is really profit, have to calculate in programmer and artist salaries first! :)

Re:Ahh, such a good console! (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236133)

The local Microcenter here sells 1gig flash drives and 1 gig sd for $15.00 now they are impulse items at the registers, if they can sell them for that you know the cost of the memory itself is pretty minimal. Most games are still under a gig but I would be more than willing to pay the extra $20-30 in media costs for the durability of a cartridge.

Nintendo DS still uses cartridges (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234949)

With today's cheap and expansive flash memory, shouldn't someone be thinking about bringing cartridges back?

The Nintendo DS handheld video game system takes DS Game Cards for official games and, with an adapter that sits in the GBA slot, CompactFlash or Secure Digital cards for homebrew games.

Duck Dodgers! (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234415)

My favorite game for the N64 was also the same one that I worked on at Infogrames (now Atari): Duck Dodgers! I went on to be a lead testers for multiple titles on the GameCube and GameBoy Advance since Nintendo wasn't cool to PS2/XBox jockies. Love Nintendo but they were a pain in the ass to work for since a lot of their stuff was documented and you had to learn from past mistakes to know what's official and what isn't.

Sad To Think I'm Going To Skip My First Nintendo (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16234431)

It is shocking to think how far Nintendo has fallen since the N64 days. Zelda OOT, Mario 64, GoldenEye were games that even if just one of the existed for the N64 I would have still bought the console and had no regrets.

GameCube was decent.

And now I really don't care at all about the Wii. Just think of how insane a new Mario or Zelda would be on a 25gig disc and hardware as powerful as the PS3. Instead we are supposed to want the stupid pointing thing instead. No thanks.

SNES, N64, GameCube all were consoles that could stand toe to toe with other consoles technologically even though Nintendo never really bragged about the fact.

Re:Sad To Think I'm Going To Skip My First Nintend (0, Flamebait)

Carrot007 (37198) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235199)

Fair enough SONY fanboy, you mis your first nintendo,

I'll buy my first. (non potable that is)

Enjoy SONY control over your brain!

As Someone Who Still Owns One (2, Interesting)

aarmenaa (712174) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234459)

I really thought the N64 was a fun system. For many years I got a game for my birthday and a game for christmas, and built up a pretty decent library. Honestly, I can't say that the single player was worth repeating in many of those games. But, the multiplayer almost always shined, at least with the games I bought. Mario Kart, Goldeneye, Smash Brothers, Starfox, Perfect Dark, and more were just really, really fun when you could get lots people to play with you, which was easy for me since I had 3 siblings.

The system did have it's problems, but every system does. The controller was "weird" at best, and it was pretty expensive. It was also hard to separate the crap from the games you'd want to buy. I managed about 20 games before the system went out of date, but man it took some looking. You also saw a lot of experimental games on the N64, which were later refined for next gen systems. Harvest Moon wasn't a great game, but it was intresting. I've heard there's a Gamecube version of the game. I'd like to see how that shaped up sometime.

Then again, the N64 was the last console I bought. I didn't buy a gamecube, any portable systems, nothing. So, I may be little biased towards the 64, especially since I still play it. I have a computer. It's not the fastest, but the video card cost me less than a console and graphics look at least as good. I don't count the entire cost of the computer, because the rest of the hardware I'd have anyways.

Re:As Someone Who Still Owns One (1)

Eccles (932) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235191)

Still own one? heck, I still sell N64 cartridges. Buying low and selling high, you can make a profit off of them even with shipping included. Then again, the same is true of Pokemon DVDs, so one man's trash...

Re:As Someone Who Still Owns One (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237661)

Harvest Moon wasn't a great game, but it was intresting.


You know that there was a Harvest Moon game on the SNES, right?

It was the kind of game you'd never buy if you saw it on the shelf at the store, but if a friend had you try it out, you'd only realize what you were doing hours later, after you'd wasted all that time trying to get with one of those 4 town girls and weeding your fucking in-game garden. You'd feel disgusted with yourself, and stop.

Man, I still get urges to fire up that game in an emulator from time to time. And it makes me SICK.

Really no worse than most JRPG-type games, when you consider how much time you spend doing worthless, not-very-fun, stupid crap in, say, Final Fantasy. It's just the idea, I guess. "Wow, I'm growing virtual crops and it's making me HAPPY. I MUST STOP."

First Meh Console? Virtual Boy! (2, Insightful)

TibbonZero (571809) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234525)

I'd say that Nintendo's first released flop was the Virtual Boy. It wasn't quite portable, but it wasn't quite a home VR system either. Sales were horrible, people had headaches, and games all in red just look bad!

I personally think that the N64 was pretty darn good! Mario 64 was great, as were the Zelda games. Ok, it wasn't a huge library of tons and tons of games, but quite a few were very high quality. Nintendo was thinking outside the box a bit with Smash Bros, and started on the 'party game' thing again, something that Sony only got a bit of with DDR and guitar hero, and MSFT has been left out mostly on IMHO. Sure Sony/MSFT can put out a lot of pretty games, but nintendo makes just fun ones that still are fun, and to my eyes don't look that dated, as they weren't made to be 'the super pretty hyper-realistic games'. They were meant to be fun. There's a reason that I still have a 8 bit, and 16 bit nintendo sitting around, AND two game boy advances. I also have a PS2, but I don't have an Xbox/Xbox 360, or a PS1. Nor will I have a PSP, etc. I just want fun games.

Of course Nintendo's first super stupid major flop, was the falling out with Sony while developing the PS1.

Re:First Meh Console? Virtual Boy! (1)

VirionNW (936737) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234885)

Oh geez, the Virtual Boy, I forgot I even had that! I agree, it was their first seriously heavy flop. If they had held out a year or two to either develop a color system or reduce it's size things might have been different. I don't regret buying one, but I wish I had held out for a few more months when everything dropped in price as stores tried to dump their surplus inventory (and had some surplus income to hunt down those few games that existed state-side for the system, there were around 20 right?) A side note; I remember the Galactic Pinball game I had for it was great, despite the red-only scheme and bulky unit. I actually spent many hours and many batteries playing through the various levels, and might even dig out the system just to give it a go again. It almost justifies buying the console, and was the only pinball game I really enjoyed playing besides Sega's Game Gear version of Sonic Pinball (or was it Spinball?)

Fun Memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16234659)

The first time I saw the Nintendo 64 was when SGI was giving demos of it at UIUC. I was a freshman or sophmore that year, and they were showing it off on a very large projector screen in 1320 DCL (the old CS department building).

The graphics, for the time, were excellent, but what convinced me to go buy one when they hit the market was some bad game playing in Mario 64.

The demo person from SGI was showing off the first level where you jump into a cannon and fire yourself off to a floating island in the sky. I thought that idea was pretty cool. Unfortunately, his aim was off, and he missed the island completely. From my perspective, I saw myself (as Mario) slow down, then stop midair, and then watched in horror was the ground started rushing up towards me.

A video game had never felt so real before.

That was cool; had I not seen it on a big projector screen, I don't think it ever would have felt real, and I never would have bought one.

That said, I'm not much of a game player: I still haven't collected all 120 stars. :(

N64 was where I learned I outgrew Zelda (2)

shawn443 (882648) | more than 7 years ago | (#16234855)

I got my NES with my paper route money as soon as it came out and could afford it. As a kid I loved Zelda and company. The Super NES came out when I was in High School but I was too busy spending my money on other things to purchase that. While I was in the Marines the Play Station came out and I was seriously impressed. Still I had my loyalty with Nintendo and bought the N64. I regretted that. While there were some mature games it seemed to me that Nintendo was focused on saving the princess type games while my buddies were rescuing hostages and watching tangos heads explode with their PlayStation. If I were to buy another gaming console, I now realize that I am in no mood for another installment of Mario. Maybe I'm wrong and the Wii will have more games for a 30 year old, but I suspect most games will still be in the kill the Koopa vein.

Re:N64 was where I learned I outgrew Zelda (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235543)

So, 30 year-olds require games NOT saving princesses and fighting koopas and anything similar to the ilk? I'm 35, and I still enjoying doing it... and shooting colored balls on a track, and making headshots in an FPS, and console and hard-core RPGs, and party games, and dance games, and rolling a ball around and sticking everything i can to it, and jumping on things, and 2D as well as 3d games, and.. and.. it goes on.

Just because one has reached an "older" age doesn't mean the taste in certain game types always diminish. It changes, maybe (and in your case: change to more "mature" titles, whatever that means) and mutates... but, by golly, *some* of us looking for "games for a 30 year old", are simply looking for games that are simply fun, regardless of their genre and presentation.

Maybe, it's just this particular 30+ year old (i.e. me) that likes to play a *variety* of fun games!

Re:N64 was where I learned I outgrew Zelda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16235785)

I think the phrase you were looking for is:

There is no upper age limit on media (including video games).

N64 was where I grew into Zelda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16235929)

While there were some mature games it seemed to me that Nintendo was focused on saving the princess type games while my buddies were rescuing hostages and watching tangos heads explode with their PlayStation.

I played the original Zelda on the NES but never got into it, but Ocarine of Time on the N64 blew me away, in terms of scope, challenge, mix of puzzle solving and action, subtlety, etc. It's still my favorite game.

By contrast, I've come to associate "watching tangos heads explode" with immaturity, not maturity — the sort of thing college frat kids revel in.

On the other hand, a lot of Nintendo's current hits are just too cartoony for me; OoT although cartoonish, was just sophisticated enough to avoid that, and I think Twilight Princess will be better in that regard.

Re:N64 was where I learned I outgrew Zelda (1)

DarkJC (810888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235959)

This isn't meant to be an insult, but this post is dead in line with the "mature + blood and gore = good game" school of thought. I just found it amusing that you so closely mirror the stereotype of the "only blood and gore is good" school of thought. Not that there's anythign wrong with that, to each their own...personally I thought Ocarina of Time was one of the best games I've ever played, if not the best. In fact, most of my "best game ever" memories are from the era of the N64.

Re:N64 was where I learned I outgrew Zelda (1)

Millennium (2451) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236151)

If you're so enslaved to your hormones that you can't be entertained by content that isn't "mature", then you are not mature enough to handle such content. Real maturity is when you realize that "maturity" isn't everything.

Re:N64 was where I learned I outgrew Zelda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237909)

Given that morons represent the largest cross-section of the public, Marketeers want to sell their games to morons. So whil you hear "Rated 'M' for 'mature'" on television, what they're REALLY saying is:

Rated 'M', for 'moron'

Mature usually means the exact opposite. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237823)

I am 41 and in the past I have spent all night playing Doom, DoomII, and other FPS with friends on a network.
Frankly I love fun games now. Mario Kart Double Dash is great fun with my wife. If you want hard core Pick up Resident Evil for the GC.
The GC is lacking a good racing game but over all the quality of GC games really impresses me. I don't think they are lacking compared to my PS/2.
I can hardly wait for the Wii. I might get a 360 after a price drop and them maybe a PS/3 when they come down in price and they have any games that I want.
What I really want is new version of Harpoon for my PC:(

Anyone have there z64 still?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16234869)

It's alive and still kicking. Although zip disks are very expensive. Friends and I still play Micromachines 64 though.

Ahh, nostalgia. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235049)

Has it really been 10 years since I was in college? Wow.

I remember the day the N64 came out, my roommates and I rented one (and Mario,) and played Mario non-stop until we finished it. Different roommates would take over as others had to go to classes. But we finally finished it. Four days later. We played through the night, a few of us even skipping a class or two. That game was played for about 96 hours straight. It was cool.

Hopefully Wii can bring back that feeling.

N64's Secret Gem (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16235997)

With the possible exception of Pong - Nintendo has ruled console Tennis games with an iron fist. First was Super Tennis for the SuperNes - still the best tennis game around - followed by N64 Mario Tennis. Not that anybody has really noticed seeing as Tennis games are just so rabidly popular... I have played just about every console tennis game (it's a quirk of mine) and I can honestly say that most developers forget to include gameplay (especially H2H) in their game design.

Hats of to the Big N for their tennis excellence and I'll keep my eyes open for the first wii tennis game!

N64! (2, Insightful)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235063)

Brilliant, I got mine with Goldeneye, a fantastic game and still the gold standard for FPSs, Then there was Zelda:OoT, a perfect game, stunning in every way, then Majora's mask - even better. The best game ever. In fact it was one of the best systems I've ever owned, and my first downloads on the wii back game system will be n64 games.

Simply stunning, no room for "meh"

Re:N64! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16235753)

Then there was Zelda:OoT, a perfect game, stunning in every way, then Majora's mask - even better.

What does that make Majora's Mask, then? 110% perfect? That's impossible. No game can be more than 100% perfect. By definition, that's the most perfect any game can be.

Re:N64! (1)

harrypelles (872287) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236349)

...No game can be more than 100% perfect...

Eh, isn't that kind of redundant? Perfect == 100%, silly.

Re:N64! (0)

AsnFkr (545033) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236157)

Sorry, Majora's mask is unplayable man. Time limits in Zelda games are horrid.

Re:N64! (2, Informative)

scot4875 (542869) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237905)

The entire point of the game was the 3 day 'cutoff'! It was an absolutely brilliant device that added a ton of urgency to the game.

That said, the so-called "time limit" wasn't even much of a factor for most things. It was mainly used for repeating certain events so that you can figure out peoples schedules, and get some of the optional masks or heart pieces. Did you miss an event? Oops, reset the timer, fast-forward to where you want to be, and do it again. 30 seconds lost.

My guess is that you never even tried it. Just like most of the people who think that Wind Waker sucks have never even played it. (IMO, Wind Waker has one of the most believable, cohesive worlds ever presented in a video game. Sure, there are flaws, but no game except Tetris is perfect.)

--Jeremy

What if..! (0)

Square Snow Man (985909) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235147)

What if Final Fantasy 7 came out on the Nintedno64, because they did show a tech demo of a final an=fhyfsafsafadkjksdjhf omg i dont feel like typing the rest.,wfgjrgvdfv

It would've shipped on 25 carts? (1)

BancBoy (578080) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236003)

Tech demo linkee here, for those that don't know...includind video. http://www.fantasyanime.com/finalfantasy/ff6/ff6ff 7.htm [fantasyanime.com]

Re:It would've shipped on 25 carts? (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237309)

Wow. I'd take that over 4 hours of FMV any day. (not that I ever bought any FF games, for this reason)

Celebrate with a new Mario 64 100% speed run (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16235503)

Speed Demos Archive [speeddemosarchive.com] has just posted a new run of Mario 64 that collects all of the game's stars in about 2 hours and 10 minutes. How long did it take you when you first played the game 10 years ago?

Ahem! Paper Mario? (1)

FreakerSFX (256894) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235813)

Paper Mario was a huge game - with a lot of play time. My kids got me hooked on it...how come none of you have mentioned it?

My First and Last Console (4, Interesting)

LeglessMoof (605697) | more than 7 years ago | (#16235881)

N64 was my first console ever, and also my last (although I am considering buying a Wii). I played my fair share of games for SNES, GameCube, and PlayStation 2 at friends' houses but I never owned any of those systems. I bought the N64 a couple weeks after launch. As I was only 12 at the time, my friend and I pooled our money together to buy one and he had to trade in his SNES. (Eventually we pooled our money to buy a 2nd one so we each had one.)

So perhaps I am a bit biased in my opinion, but I always thought N64 was an underrated system. Who could forget such great games as:

Super Mario 64
Starfox 64
Goldeneye 007
Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Super Smash Bros.
Donkey Kong 64
Mario Kart 64
Perfect Dark
Turok: Dinosaur Hunter

I also got many hours of enjoyment out of the following games, even though most people considered them to be mediocre:

Mario Party 3
Mario Tennis
Waverace 64
Blast Corps
Gauntlet Legends
Diddy Kong Racing
Misson: Impossible
NFL Blitz
Quest 64

With the exception of NFL Blitz and Gauntlet Legends, all of those titles were exclusive to N64. In the past 10 years, I have only seen 4 non-PC games that would make me want to give up my N64 for a different console:

Guitar Hero (PS2)
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2)
Super Smash Bros Melee (GameCube)
Mario Party 7 (GameCube)

I am not going to deny that there weren't other good console games out there, but I certainly wasn't exposed to them....

Re:My First and Last Console (1)

FinestLittleSpace (719663) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236565)

Jet Force Gemini is missing!
Has to be one of the most enjoyable games I've ever played. And I completed every inch of it. Ugh.

Tony Hawk (1)

sottitron (923868) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236159)

Sure, Tony Hawk (1 & 2) didn't come out on the N64 first, but they sure looked better than on the PSX. Other games that ruled were Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire and all the THQ WCW and WWF wrestling games (No Mercy, Wrestlemania 2000, and etc).

Pod Racer/Episode One Racer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16236867)

This will probably never get read... but if you see a bargain bin, buy Star wars episode one racer (Pod racer) for the 64.

This game is incredible. High speed racing, with damage. It's like wipeout except you can control it. It will be worth the 4 bucks it costs. It also can take advantage of the extra memory packs.

"Bullseye" Navior FTW!! that or Neva Kee

Voodoo PowerVR (1)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237859)

I read once on Gamespot that Nintendo was considering either a voodoo or powerVR based console. Voodoo was bcked by Nintendo America, and powerVR was backed by Nintendo Japan. The N64 was powerVR based, and subsequently did not benifit from the heavy development that the voodoo got.

I wonder how much say Nintendo America has in the hardware for the Revolution (Wii) because of that.

Ignore parent! (1)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237879)

Oh! My mistake! It was the Dreamcast and the voodoo2!

My bad!

I always hated Nintendo.. (1)

PhakeDC (932887) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237993)

..but I'm buying a Wii sometime in the future. The N64 was a flop, almost like the Dreamcast. Both had their pleasant moments, and I personally prefer the Dreamcast because of its superior graphics and plethora of side-scrolling shoot 'em ups. Shenmue > Zelda IMHO, and as for Perfect Dark and Goldeneye they were stellar in their day, but I really don't see myself playing either in an emulator. So many better FPS's are already out there so why the bother. Oh and Turok was hardly groundbreaking. Pretty at the time, but hardly groundbreaking.
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