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Zune — $249.99 On Nov. 14

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the no-price-war-on-songs dept.

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Cubricon writes, "As expected, Microsoft has dropped their price on the Zune in response to Apple's recent iPod updates. Ars Technica has an article that discusses the Zune's use of Microsoft's prepaid 'points' system for songs. Will the masses notice the difference between an iPod and a Zune? Will they want the FM and wireless capabilities?" The Zune lists for $0.99 more than the comparable iPod and songs from the Zune Marketplace will cost just under $0.99.

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Not buying it. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16236883)

Wireless. Same amount of space as an iPod. Lame.

MOD PARENT UP (0, Offtopic)

Cybrex (156654) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237189)

If you don't get the joke then you're a young slashdot whipper snapper! ;-)

Damn...getting old (1)

arcite (661011) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237695)

When I was but a wee lad, we had CD players that you had to hold level so they didn't skip.

Sure you could only play one CD at a time, and the battery didn't last that long, but dammit we loved it.

Pity the fool with his uncool walkman -- tape is so 20th century.

FM... (5, Interesting)

Kaenneth (82978) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236895)

Everyone should have a battery powered radio receiver. Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Flooding, Volcanos (like Mt. St. Helens) happen, and you need a way to receive emergency information about which way to run.

Re:FM... (1)

celardore (844933) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237015)

Everyone should have a battery powered radio receiver. Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Flooding, Volcanos (like Mt. St. Helens) happen, and you need a way to receive emergency information about which way to run.

I have a wind-up radio. Which would be great if there was something so catastrophic happen that I couldn't even buy batteries; though if such a situation were to occur, I doubt there'd be many transmissions to listen to.

Re:FM... (1)

OakDragon (885217) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237209)

I have a wind-up radio. Which would be great if there was something so catastrophic happen that I couldn't even buy batteries; though if such a situation were to occur, I doubt there'd be many transmissions to listen to.

Ah, but there are many situations where batteries are not available, but there are plenty of broadcasts. Like the hurricane Katrina disaster. Or, if you want to get apocalyptic, in the case of a 90 to 99 percent death rate in the human population, it might be useful for finding other people. (Assuming you want to find them!)

Wind-up radio = a good thing.

Re:FM... (2, Funny)

MLopat (848735) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237257)

Come on, you know batteries were available. You can't tell me that there were free TV's in everyone's hands but no batteries around for miles ;)

Re:FM... (2, Funny)

cunina (986893) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237569)

Or, if you want to get apocalyptic, in the case of a 90 to 99 percent death rate in the human population, it might be useful for finding other people. (Assuming you want to find them!)

Brains.... brains...

Re:FM... (0)

Drooling Iguana (61479) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237121)

I have one that cost me a grand total of $1. I got another one later on that could also receive AM for less than $5. Why would I need to pay $250 for yet another one?

Re:FM... (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237225)

Some of us older guys could build one out of stuff we find in our backyard.
Inspired by the professor of Gilligans Island and using the crystal from the Six Million Dollar Man radio, learning science was fun as a kid.

Busses are on the way (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237129)

Everyone should have a battery powered radio receiver. Hurricanes...

Yeah, hearing rhetoric, empty promises and outright lies live over the air while you're up to you ears in alligators would be a heckuva plus.

Re:FM... (4, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237137)

Everyone should have a battery powered radio receiver.

Yes, but FM? I think AM will be more useful.

Re:FM... (1)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237185)

"Everyone should have a battery powered radio receiver. Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Flooding, Volcanos (like Mt. St. Helens) happen, and you need a way to receive emergency information about which way to run."

Fuck running, i'm stealing a Hummer H1 with a radio and killing 2 birds with one stone (and anyone who won't move out of my way)!

Re:FM... (5, Funny)

michrech (468134) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237287)

Fuck running, i'm stealing a Hummer H1 with a radio and killing 2 birds with one stone (and anyone who won't move out of my way)!

What happens 6 miles down the road after you run out of fuel? :)

Re:FM... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237459)

The day civil order breaks down is the day I start hunting SUV drivers.

Re:FM... (2, Informative)

Tycho (11893) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237207)

If you are concerned about not having an FM radio with your iPod, there is the iPod FM radio remote. While it is not exactly cheap at, $50, there are battery radios that are less expensive than the Zune or the iPod. Of course as long as you are speaking about emergency radios, then everyone should have a shortwave radio in case of nuclear war or meteor impact. Not there is much to do in the case of global devestation, aside from dying of radiation sickness or dying of starvation.

Re:FM... (3, Informative)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237291)

Seriously, what's the deal with people hating FM radio? I spend my whole day at work listening to BBC Radio 1. Sure, their daytime playlist is quite limited, but they do play some new music in the evenings, but I mainly tune in for the DJs. If anyone in the US has Sirius(?), tune into Radio 1 and give Chris Moyles a listen.

Re:FM... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237463)

"Seriously, what's the deal with people hating FM radio?"

The OP was refering to a crisis emergency. I think AM would be where you would more news and info being broadcast to the public.
 

Radios in general (3, Interesting)

Gadgetfreak (97865) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237323)

People think I'm a bit odd... I have a TON of gadgets, but still don't own an iPod or "popular" MP3 player. The reason: Nobody makes one with both an AM/FM tuner in it. So I still use my Panasonic CD player with MP3 capabilities... as it has an AM/FM tuner in it. I enjoy listening to live baseball (and occasionally other sports) games on AM radio, which is why it's of key importance to me. I realize radio is a secondary feature for a music player, but my stance is simple:

If I'm paying several hundred dollars for a portable player, it should damn well have an FM *AND* AM tuner in it.

Simple as that. Until then, the CD/MP3 player that cost me $50 3 years ago will do just fine.

Re:FM... (4, Informative)

mTor (18585) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237335)

Actually, the FM radio band is abslutely the worst choice for an emergency broadcast. The range of FM is short and the radio waves don't bounce off the ionosphere. If there's some kind of a catastrophic event, there's a very good chance that local FM transmitter will be affected by it as well. SW and AM are much better since their waves bounce off the ionosphere and are long range.

Also, relying on Zune for emergency signal is silly (and I'm being nice) since it has a short battery life and no AM/SW bands. Also, what will you listen to after 5hrs have passed?!

If you want an emergency radio, get one with three bands and get one that has a hand crank.

Re:FM... (1)

Weaps (642924) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237355)

Indeed, and I have one. A Sony Sports Walkman AM/FM Stereo Cassete player WM-F45 from circa 1987. Still works (even with my iPod earbuds) and runs for about a bazillion hours on two AA batteries. Once I find out that yes, the power will be out for another XX hours I plug the earbuds back into the iPod Nano to while away the time.

Re:FM... (2, Interesting)

Paul Slocum (598127) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237571)

I have an iRiver with FM, and I use it all the time. Often I'm listening to NPR in my car and have to run in somewhere, so I just turn on my iRiver and put on my headphones and continue listening wherever I am. Or I turn it on and start it recording and listen to the rest of the program later (thanks to Rockbox [rockbox.org])

Re:FM... (1)

grassy_knoll (412409) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237655)

Everyone should have a battery powered radio receiver


Might I suggest a hand crank radio would be more useful for emergency purposes?

Something like this [amazon.com] perhaps?

Additional features over a Zune:
* Hand crank can be used to recharge the built-in battery
* Tunes AM/FM, seven NOAA weather alert channels, and TV channels 2-13
* Features emergency lights, plus a flashing beacon mode; cell phone charger

Re:FM... (1)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237729)

Everyone should have a battery powered radio receiver. Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Flooding, Volcanos (like Mt. St. Helens) happen,

When your battery powered unit quits working because your batteries have gone dead, I'll be nice and let you listen to my hand cranked radio.

Sweet (5, Insightful)

RetlawST (997563) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236897)

As an Apple user, I'm all for this. A REAL competitor in the mp3 player market means that Apple has to "innovate" something cooler in order to stay on the top. I'd like to see a wide-screen iPod by the end of the year. :D

Re:Sweet (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237055)

As an Apple user, I'm all for this. A REAL competitor in the mp3 player market means that Apple has to "innovate" something cooler in order to stay on the top. I'd like to see a wide-screen iPod by the end of the year. :D

Yeah, that's what we'll likely see, pointless innovation for the sake of innovation, the next gen will probably have

  • a color LED projector so we can watch videos on a sheet of paper, wall, etc.
  • a Swiss Army knife built in
  • a turnip twaddler built in
  • a keyboard
  • automated blood sugar/caffeine/cholesterol/heart-rate monitor
  • a weight of 2 lbs, including (non-exploding) battery
  • a wasabi dispenser

Actaully... naw... well, maybe...

Re:Sweet (2, Funny)

lubricated (49106) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237699)

>> Yeah, that's what we'll likely see, pointless innovation for the sake of innovation, the next gen will probably ha

all those features kick ass. I shouldn't have bought my ipod yet. Nothing like an easy to use turnip twaddler made by apple.

Re:Sweet (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237125)

Better yet, I want the iPaper... en e-ink device designed by apple that can display videos, view books and newspapers on and with a collapsible screen that is larger than the device itself. It's about time that e-ink displays be adopted by mainstream.

Re:Sweet (1)

amabbi (570009) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237583)

en e-ink device designed by apple that can display videos, view books and newspapers on and with a collapsible screen that is larger than the device itself.

Video on e-paper? You do realize that the refresh rate on those things are at best on the order of hundreds of milliseconds...

Re:Sweet (2, Interesting)

mythz (857024) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237623)

What REAL competitor? it is a rebadged gigabeat. The difference is that M$ can afford to lose money and spend millions on advertising.

Zune vs Wii (3, Insightful)

0xABADC0DA (867955) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236909)

So at around the same time for $250 you can either get an also-ran music player or a brand-new game console. Zounds to me like they are going to lose a lot of tech geek sales.

Zounds... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237093)

So at around the same time for $250 you can either get an also-ran music player or a brand-new game console. Zounds to me like they are going to lose a lot of tech geek sales.

Zounds... now why didn't they use that name?

Yeah, the money thing. You've also got new games and videos all coming shortly, in time for the holiday debt encumbering season.

Monday Morning Quarterbacking (2, Insightful)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236917)

If I was MS I would drop the price of this thing to $199. I mean, this thing is gonna bomb anyway, minus well lower the price and hope to make more money on the music-selling end of things.

Re:Monday Morning Quarterbacking (4, Funny)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236985)

I mean, this thing is gonna bomb anyway, minus well lower the price and hope to make more money on the music-selling end of things.

Isn't that supposed to be "might as well"? Or is there some kind of joke that I'm missing?

Re:Monday Morning Quarterbacking (1)

EVil Lawyer (947367) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237099)

Another possibility: He realized he wanted to use the word "lower" instead of "minus," and punctuated his post poorly. Maybe he was going for:

Minus--well, lower the price...

"Points" might be the winner (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237413)

Of course I have not RTFA, that's not the point of /.ing...

But, I think a points system could make this a winner for MS and be a way to muscle share away from others or help to get other service providers in a nice sit-up-and-beg stance. eg. Use MSN search and earn points, takes share away from Google. Use IE and earn points. Buy goods from SearsOnline/Amazon/whatever and earn points....

Perhaps thus Zune thing is just a tool to gain some leverage in service space. Could it go as far as: Write a pro-MS letter to EU and earn points?

Next MP3... (2, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236921)

Next MP3 player won't be one of these, I'll get something cheep, like that little jobby that works with a USB drive, which i can then plug into the new generation of car stereos with USB. Hoo Hah!

Re:Next MP3... (1)

Murphy Murph (833008) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237001)

Next MP3 player won't be one of these, I'll get something cheep, like that little jobby that works with a USB drive, which i can then plug into the new generation of car stereos with USB. Hoo Hah!


You can mount an iRiver, an iPod, (and I gotta believe a Zune) as a UMS device, working just fine on the "next generation of car stereos with USB."

MTP vs UMS (4, Interesting)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237281)

> You can mount an iRiver, an iPod, (and I gotta believe a Zune) as a UMS device, working just fine on the "next generation of car stereos with USB."

Read between the lines of this MS developer's [anythingbutipod.com] post, in which he says "PlaysForSure does not require devices to support only MTP - UMS can be implemented too, but under certain conditions that prevent newbies from transferring content via MTP, switching to UMS and then calling tech support because they can't find/play their content"...

Now re-read that sentence while pondering the notion that Zune will not support PlaysForSure.

This is a Microsoft product. More so than Apple products, less so than Sony products, it's still all about vendor lock-in.

I speculate that Zune will be an MTP (Media Transfer Protocol [wikipedia.org])-only device. UMS (USB Mass Storage [wikipedia.org]) cannot be supported, because only by eliminating UMS can Microsoft mandate the use of WMP10/11 and the accompanying XP/Vista DRM platform.

Re:Next MP3... (1)

Drooling Iguana (61479) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237321)

Unfortunately, some of the newer iRivers don't work as USB devices anymore, requiring you to transfer files to them via Windows Media Player. There's a firmware hack floating around the tubenet to fix that problem, but I'm pretty sure it voids your warranty.

Great advantage (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16236929)

Song downloads just under 99 cents? Would that make them 98 cents?

I predict a flood of switchers.

Walmart.com offers its songs for 88 cents (2, Insightful)

I'm Don Giovanni (598558) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237023)

Walmart.com already offers its songs for 88 cents (the songs play on PlayForSure devices), so someone is already undercutting iTMS's prices, but it hasn't made any difference.

Re:Great advantage (1)

fireduck (197000) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237061)

From the second article [arstechnica.com]:

Microsoft's Zune Marketplace will sell individual songs for 79 points, which translates to 99 (98.75) cents.


98 and three-quarters of a cent. You buy four songs from Zune and you've saved a whole penny!

Re:Great advantage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237357)

Maybe a page out of Sony's play book...

  • music - 98 cents
  • each vocal syllable - micropayment ~ 0.1 cent


Jim

Re:Great advantage (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237507)

Actually 98.9 cents. Bill Gates was at a gas station watching his car being filled when he noticed the pump said $2.49.9. He thought it was an innovative idea that should be brought into the tech world. Now all Microsoft pricing will be based on 9/10 of a cent. This will allow Microsoft to become the low priced alternative without actually lowering prices.

Not perfect enough yet... (1)

krunoce (906444) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236981)

I won't buy an iPod because I really want the FM radio built in.
I won't buy a Zune because of the way it looks.

Whichever one improves first will most likely be the one I'll get.

Re:Not perfect enough yet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237111)

Why exactly is it that you cannot use the iPod radio remote [apple.com]? I know you have your reasons, but I cannot think of why that would not work.

Re:Not perfect enough yet... (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237119)

But Brown is the new White!

Re:Not perfect enough yet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237589)

It looks like someone's fitted a screen to a highly-polished turd :)

Re:Not perfect enough yet... (1)

AP2k (991160) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237147)

Creative Sleeks have had a 5-band EQ and FM tuner for about a year.

Re:Not perfect enough yet... (2, Insightful)

q1w2zaxs (934855) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237387)

>I won't buy an iPod because I really want the FM radio built in. >I won't buy a Zune because of the way it looks. > >Whichever one improves first will most likely be the one I'll get. Most portable mp3 players will be obsoleted by features in cell phones. Newer phones by Motorola include MP3 players, and Nokia phones have inclued FM tuners for years. Why would I want to carry another device since I already have a cell phone and already update it every 1-2 years. FA

What about the shitty brown color scheme ? (4, Funny)

javaDragon (187973) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236997)

Most people are not "artist" enough to appreciate that "innovative" brown...

Re:What about the shitty brown color scheme ? (1)

MyDixieWrecked (548719) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237555)

Most people are not "artist" enough to appreciate that "innovative" brown...

I think I'm the only person on the planet that thinks the brown actually looks nice.

i mean, I'm not saying I'm getting one of those things. I've got my ipods... nor am I saying I'd get a brown ipod... but the brown has a classic feel to it. Like a leather upholstered stereo receiver. Man that would be cool.

Fuzzy Math? (4, Insightful)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 7 years ago | (#16236999)

Since when does "just under" mean "equals"?

The Zune's companion music download service will charge users 99 cents per song, the same as Apple's iTunes Store pricing model.

Re:Fuzzy Math? (2, Insightful)

DoctorSVD (884269) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237373)

That has always been the case. It's a property of real numbers:

0.9999999... (infinite number of 9's) = 1

> Since when does "just under" mean "equals"?

Re:Fuzzy Math? (1)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237403)

Actually, they're selling them for 98.75 cents [arstechnica.com] through the Zune Marketplace. 98.75 is technically lower than 99.

Re:Fuzzy Math? (3, Informative)

ctr2sprt (574731) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237427)

Because songs aren't bought using money. You use money to buy Microsoft Points, or something with a similarly retarded name, and then use those points to buy songs. The current price is a buck for 80 points, and songs cost 79 points. So each point costs 1.25 cents, and 79 points works out to 98.75 cents. Due to rounding, if you buy 1 or 2 songs you pay the same as in ITMS, and past that you pay a very small amount less (if you buy 100 songs you save a whole quarter).

Questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237013)

What OS is on it? I assume it it Windows Mobile.

Can you install 3rd party software on it? If you can install Opera Mini/Mobile on it, I'll probrably get one.

Lots of work to do... (3, Insightful)

moore.dustin (942289) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237047)

When people are asked what they want, they do not say an Mp3 player. They say, "I want an iPod." That alone puts the Zune at a large disadvantage, not to mention all the other things. iPods are trendy, well-known, and easy to see(Look at me!) - so until people start looking at what kind of Mp3 player to buy instead of what version of iPod to buy, the Zune will struggle to find its place in the market, just like everyone else.

Platform Monopoly (1)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237559)

The iPod is bringing too many people into the Apple store. Microsoft smells blood.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Zune or music credit got bundled with legit copies of Vista... which through the magic of DRM won't be downloadable to an iPod.

...or something sickening like that.

Disgusting fearful cretins (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237059)

Fear attracts the fearful, the weak, the strong, the innocent, the corrupt.

But fear is no long Microsoft's ally.

Their sickening reign of terror over us is over. Never again will the oppression of the Gates dominate the galaxy.

May the Mac (and iPod) be with you.

Always.

Planned obsolescence (4, Insightful)

chefmattrock (996275) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237073)

How about one of the manufacturers come out with a user replacable battery. This was a major complaint for the first Ipods, and hasn't been fixed yet. A bigger screen means shorter playtime between charges. That's one feature that would make me choose one over the other. Besides that, they're all comparable.

DOA (4, Insightful)

Cr0w T. Trollbot (848674) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237113)

This isn't a day late and a dollar short, it's at least three years too late and $100 short.

"Hey, let's offer a player two months from now at the same price as Apple is already selling the iPod at today. Also, let's make sure that our new, unproven propriatary music DRM is completely incompatible with our previous propritary music DRM! That way we get to drive away consumers fearful of unknown technology and piss off our existing music partners to boot!"

Dead on Arrival.

Crow T. Trollbot

ho hum (5, Insightful)

spirit_fingers (777604) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237155)

I can't believe what a turkey the Zune is. Here are 2 reasons right off the bat:

- It only lets you share one song at a time via wi-fi and then only with another Zune player. What's more, even if the song is not DRM'd, it infects that song with DRM so that the recipient can only play the song a maximum of 3 times or for a maximum of 3 days, whichever comes first. So much for Microsoft's wonderful social networking scheme.

- It can't play songs you've already downloaded encoded with Microsoft's own Play For Sure DRM. Dumb. Just plain dumb.

And if including an FM tuner didn't get people to flock to Creative's Zen video pod, why should it be such a hot feature in the Zune? And who the frack thought brown was cool?

Zune is like... (2, Insightful)

moracity (925736) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237161)

the fake Air Jordans from K-Mart back in the day. And when Air Jordans were out of style, K-Mart kept on trying to sell them. You can probably still buy them.

iPod haters were already saying that the market was saturated with iPods and Apple's time was over...so how is Zune going to fare any better? You can't have it both ways. Zune is simply not a compelling product...especially when the iPod is still "hip".

Whether intentional or not, I think it was BRILLIANT that Apple did not release the true video iPod at this last event. The fact that it wasn't released will have many holding off on buying a Zune. Especially with the mystery surrounding the iTV and how the forthcoming iPod will interact with it. If the Zune was really that great, they wouldn't have had to adjust the price. This clearly demonstrates Apple's influence in the marketplace...even over MS.

Re:Zune is like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237633)

the fake Air Jordans from K-Mart back in the day. And when Air Jordans were out of style, K-Mart kept on trying to sell them. You can probably still buy them.

iPod haters were already saying that the market was saturated with iPods and Apple's time was over...so how is Zune going to fare any better? You can't have it both ways. Zune is simply not a compelling product...especially when the iPod is still "hip".

Yeah, because we all know that Sony Walkman permanently dominated the portable stereo marketplace.

History will repeat itself. The only question is when.

What are we, retarded? (5, Interesting)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237213)

but in the US a point is currently 1.25 cents

Um, yeah. I'm not buying into some funky dirka-dirka currency that can fluctuate at the company's sheer will.

Re:What are we, retarded? (2, Insightful)

Jesterboy (106813) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237517)

This is something that worries me significantly about "point based" systems; it's like they're trying to create their own currency, which they could theoretically fluctuate as they want. Except that, unlike currency, you can't convert it back to the currency you transferred it from.

Not that I'm wearing a tinfoil hat or anything, but this sounds like the precursor to Microsoft Dollars, or Wal-Mart Bucks and that really scares me.

Article is wrong (2, Informative)

Prien715 (251944) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237227)

From TFA (playmag.com):
But there are a few key differences [from the iPod]: Microsoft plans to use the same transaction system as Xbox Live, its video game console's online service, which will allow consumers to pay for music using prepaid cards they can buy in retail stores -- saving some the hassle of needing to use a credit card.

I can walk into Walmart and buy a prepaid iTunes card with cash. The only I ever "bought" from iTunes was with a code from Pepsi. So please playmag.com, tell me how iTunes requires a credit card again? iTunes already has an allowance system too.

Can't wait for this to be verbed (4, Funny)

TheWoozle (984500) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237233)

Just wait until some hapless teenager shares a song with his friend only to find out a couple days later he can't move it off his player. "Dude, I just got Zuned!"

userbase vs. quality (1)

Treates2 (1004837) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237253)

i think for most companys i.e. apple and microsoft it's all about userbase.. not quality assured products.. i mean common DRM ?? ipod songs wont play on any other music player with cracking, and i have yet to see any portable music player add support for memory upgrades so cusomers dont have to buy a new one everytime they run out of space.

think about..

The only chance this has . . . (1)

photomic (666457) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237361)

Is if MS somehow finds a way to credit user for all the songs they bought on iTMS.

Re:The only chance this has . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237605)

All iTunes songs are being carried over to iTunes, it's already been announced.

1st gen Zune or 5th gen iPod (1)

chipace (671930) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237531)

Smart consumers always stay away from a 1st generation product. I would gladly give-up some features for peace of mind. The more the cost of the equipment is, the more you want to stay with a proven vendor.

It's possible for any generation to be plagued with mistakes, so it's best not to be the early adopter.

competition is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16237541)

The introduction of zune forced Apple to lower the price on the iPod.

A couple of points (1)

Dankling (596769) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237599)

At a time like this the marketplace has already reached saturation. Their target market for the Zune has got to be around %50-%80 of people who already own an iPod. I couldn't imagine these people upgrading to Zune, which gives wireless and FM capabilities for $250. They are basically buying a second iPod and the only increase in value are trivial features that less than %10 of the owners of an iPod would want. I'm also guessing that that same %10 either loves Apple, hates Microsoft, or a fuzzy combination of the two.

Confused (1, Funny)

catdevnull (531283) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237617)

I'm very confused about the choice of brown for a color. Does the shiney brown mean that Microsoft has pioneered a break-through for turd polish?

To get me to buy one you'd have to ... (4, Insightful)

OverDrive33 (468610) | more than 7 years ago | (#16237681)

... remove the DRM. That's it. I'd buy one in an instant.
I like the Zune, from what I've read and the pictures I've seen it seems pretty cool! Especially the wireless sharing of files - that's really cool. However, the DRM that the wireless transfers forces on your media is unacceptable.
Any takers on how long it will take to crack the DRM?
Or
Any takers on how long it will take to get Linux running - doing the same things - minus the DRM?
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