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Hollywood Says Piracy Has Ripple Effect

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the truly-important-research dept.

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ColinPL writes to mention a Washington Post article about a new study backed by Hollywood on intellectual piracy. The study, which they're presenting to lawmakers today, claims that piracy has a ripple effect on the economy. According to the study, lost revenues may have as much as three times the impact previously imagined. From the article: "Lawmakers and federal agencies such as the Justice and State departments have helped Hollywood battle physical piracy -- specifically, counterfeit DVDs. But now the stakes are especially high for entertainment companies as they sell more of their products online in the form of digital songs, movies and other intellectual property. Internet piracy may be tougher for lawmakers to conceptualize, entertainment companies fear."

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Wrong word... (3, Insightful)

WickedLogic (314155) | more than 7 years ago | (#16250949)

I think the word Hollywood is looking for is *hoodwink*.

Re:Wrong word... (4, Funny)

LordEd (840443) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251065)

They can find it here [torrentspy.com]

Merely three.,, (2, Funny)

TimothyTimothyTimoth (805771) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251451)

I imagine the effects on our descendants will be infinite...

Blockbuster clerks? (2, Funny)

Fyre2012 (762907) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251075)

Oh no, piracy is killing minimum wage video store clerk jobs! How will the economy function!

Re:Blockbuster clerks? (1)

IcyNeko (891749) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251153)

right, as if Netflix didn't shoot them all in the face long ago...

Re:Wrong word... Has to be said... (5, Funny)

patrixmyth (167599) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251261)

Vizzini: Inconceivable.

Inigo Montoya:, You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means. ...

Coming soon to a head near you (2, Interesting)

aztektum (170569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16250953)

Eye implants, ala Minority Report. Only instead of just targeting you with advertising when you go somewhere, they also dictate what digital media, books, magazines and lazer light shows you can view. If you paid your fee you can see for the day.

Re:Coming soon to a head near you (0, Troll)

nocomment (239368) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251177)

or they can stop making movies like 'snakes on a plane'.

Re:Coming soon to a head near you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251481)

Hollywood is just mad because WoW is making better money worldwide without the whole pissing-off-your-customer sales tactics the MPAA use, so now they are crying to Washington to pay back those political favors owned to them :p

Re:Coming soon to a head near you (1)

dbuttric (9027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251597)

I've been predicting this for some time, except that It wont be eye implants, it'll be a chip in your visual cortex - The Microsoft Vision Subsystem Cortex Intellectual Property Analyzer.

It will be able to blue-screen, or blur (ala Cops) any content that you have not purchased a license to see.

Thanks to all the genome research that's being done, the public key will be your DNA. If you lose your license key... Well, you get the idea.

This Is Disgusting (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16250957)

Just in time for elections here in the U.S., "Hollywood" (who the fuck are they kidding, it's the MPAA/RIAA) has to start it's round of FUD. This is such a complete bullshit study, especially since it was back by themselves, so you bet they are going to make it sound like they need help to stop those pirates! UNDERSTAND THIS YOU ARROGANT, GREEDY BASTARDS, /no one/ wants to fucking download your DRM'ed/non-DRM'ed bullshit movies and music. Oh and by the way Hollywood, the public in the U.S. could give a shit about you losing money. In fact they prove it by not going to see every piece of crap movie you try putting out.

"...Internet piracy may be tougher for lawmakers to conceptualize, entertainment companies fear."

Nice one there guys, I sure hope our "lawmakers" realize that you just said that they were to stupid to understand your study (greed and FUD). How long is the U.S.A (especially lawmakers)going to let these greedy fucking vampire Hollywood typess dictate your lives? How far does it have to go for the public and government to STOP allowing these extortionists to keep doing "business?

I would have posted not-AC, but I don't want the MP/RIAA's thugs coming for me. I didn't get permission to say the words Hollywood and Godfather.

Re:This Is Disgusting (4, Insightful)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251429)

UNDERSTAND THIS YOU ARROGANT, GREEDY BASTARDS, /no one/ wants to fucking download your DRM'ed/non-DRM'ed bullshit movies and music.

Is that so? From a recent press release [go.com] :

The iTunes Store also features the world's largest catalog of online music with over 3.5 million songs and has sold a stunning 1.5 billion songs, making it the world's most popular digital music store.

Just because the Slashdot crowd doesn't like something doesn't mean that average consumers have the same view. Get over yourself and UNDERTAND THIS, the RIAA and MPAA don't give a flying fuck about what you think. You are not their target customer.

The entire movie industry (5, Interesting)

Tweekster (949766) | more than 7 years ago | (#16250963)

is sooo small economically wise it is rather pathetic they have as much pull as they do...the candy industry is about 10 times the size

Re:The entire movie industry (5, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251109)

The entire movie industry is sooo small economically wise it is rather pathetic they have as much pull as they do...the candy industry is about 10 times the size
FTFA:
"It's important to remember, however, that even though piracy prevents money from reaching the movie industry, those dollars probably stay in the economy, one intellectual property expert said."

Translation: It doesn't really matter if they take their made up number and multiply it by three. The economy wasn't hurt.

Ummmm, I don't think so. (5, Funny)

khasim (1285) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251363)

"It's important to remember, however, that even though piracy prevents money from reaching the movie industry, those dollars probably stay in the economy, one intellectual property expert said."

I'm pretty sure that pirates bury their loot on tropical islands.

Re:The entire movie industry (4, Insightful)

Znork (31774) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251625)

"The economy wasn't hurt."

Actually, quite the opposite. Considering that the IP industries are particularly inefficient in their production as protected entities, the economy as a whole _gains_ from the failure to enforce their monopoly priviliges.

Piracy means the economy as a whole gains _both_ the wealth inherent in an extra copy of a certain material for the particular consumer _plus_ the wealth inherent in whatever else the money is spent on.

Translation: The numbers made up by the industries are completely irrelvant, IP is merely a method of redistributing wealth to achieve a specific purpose, similar to taxes, and as such the only interesting measure is wether a) the money actually goes to it's intended recipient and b) wether it's an efficient use of resources.

The entire schizm industry (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251681)

"Piracy means the economy as a whole gains _both_ the wealth inherent in an extra copy of a certain material for the particular consumer _plus_ the wealth inherent in whatever else the money is spent on."

Mr "IP is worth something", meet "Media sux" and "I never would have bought it anyway [since it's not worth buying]". Discuss amoungst yourselves.

Re:The entire movie industry (4, Funny)

patrixmyth (167599) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251111)

Shh!! Don't give them any ideas, or we'll have CRM (Candy Rights Management), and I won't be able to share my skittles. Oh wait, that would actually be a good idea. Get your own damn skittles, hippie, these are mine! Proceed.

Re:The entire movie industry (1)

mrs clear plastic (229108) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251203)

Actualy, you don't want CRM.

"Here, take it. My dentist will be much happier if you eat it."

"Here, take it. I'm the one who will be losing weight."

"Here, take it. Diabetes is no fun."

Re:The entire movie industry (1)

orasio (188021) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251637)

When you eat candy, you make your dentist wealthier. He is happier, then.

Re:The entire movie industry (1)

bfizzle (836992) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251113)

It is enough of an impact to get the attention of Congress. What the entertainment industry is failing to account for is the economic impact that their government given monopoly is making on the economy.

Re:The entire movie industry (5, Funny)

tddoog (900095) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251201)

Hollywood props up the monstrous candy industry. Just think of that $10 box of raisinets you buy at the theatre. This is exactly the kind of ripple effect they are talking about. No movie patrons in the theatre => no candy sales => no $2000 root canals. Won't someone think of the dentists?

Re:The entire movie industry (1)

Thaelon (250687) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251723)

Who pays those outrageous prices for candy?

I just bring my own. The lowly theater workers have yet to stop me. If they try, I'll demand my money back for my ticket and go download it instead. Despite being afraid of being stopped and having this argument ready, I've yet to need it.

Besides, I've heard that the candy/popcorn/soda is where the theater really makes its money, not the tickets. So you know the candy companies aren't getting shit.

More on the Study (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 7 years ago | (#16250967)

The study, which they're presenting to lawmakers today, claims that piracy has a ripple effect on the economy.
The study also claims that piracy is on the rise to become America's number one killer by the end of the year. It claims that piracy is capable of running rampant down the street and reeking havoc everywhere.

They interviewed a crew hand from Waterworld and, aside from forcing him out of a job, the unnamed victim reported that piracy forcefully entered his home and raped him in front of his youngest son. Piracy has taken not only his source of income but also the joy that he and his son once shared.

The report concludes with piracy being at large and dangerous. Piracy is capable of flipping bits in a pattern that resembles music and is also known to cause cancer.

The study, which they're presenting to lawmakers today...
So when are lawmakers presented with the Piracy Is Actually Pretty Bitching for Consumers report? What about the Economics Research is Bullshit & Baseless report? Oh, that's right, the other side of the issue never gets to hear it's voice heard and no alternatives will ever be explored. Silly me.

Re:More on the Study (4, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251181)

"According to the L.E.K. study, 38 percent of all movie piracy occurs on the Internet, with counterfeit DVDs accounting for the rest."

Caption of the picture:
Pirated-movie distribution operations such as this one in New York mean a loss to industry of about $20.5 billion per year, lost opportunities for about 140,000 new jobs and $800 million in lost tax revenue, the study says. (Recording Industry Association Of America Via Associated Press)

60% of piracy has NOTHING to do with the internet
XYZ x 60% = ~$20.5 billion

Despite that, the MPAA does exactly what the RIAA has been doing with its plethora of lawsuits aimed at filesharing instead of targeting counterfeiters.

Re:More on the Study (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251375)

So when are lawmakers presented with the Piracy Is Actually Pretty Bitching for Consumers report? What about the Economics Research is Bullshit & Baseless report? Oh, that's right, the other side of the issue never gets to hear it's voice heard and no alternatives will ever be explored. Silly me.

You should give writing the PiAPBfC Report a shot yourself.

Not really much of a surprise... (4, Insightful)

Gadgetfreak (97865) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251001)

*Everything* has a ripple effect on the economy. That's why it's called "the economy" as a whole. You can't expect a noticeable shift in traditional cash flow to not have at least some sort of chain reaction or reactions elsewhere.

Re:Not really much of a surprise... (4, Insightful)

mlmitton (610008) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251379)

It's sillier than that. The money that would have paid for all the popcorn and ushers doesn't disappear; it just doesn't go into the entertainment industry. Consider the extreme case: everyone pirates all movies. Here, the entertainment industry will disappear, but the video game industry (or tourism, or books, or whatever you want to put here) *grows*. These "ripple effects" are straw men designed to get society to think it impacts them. There would be a negligible impact on GDP or taxes.

The more technical detail: it's the difference between a partial equilibrium and a general equilibrium model of the economy. In the partial model (the supply and demand curves we all know and love), you assume that you've completely modeled all relevant aspects of the economy, or rather, you assume nothing else matters. It's an incredibly useful approximation in many cases, but an approximation all the same. In general equilibrium, everything (theoretically) gets modeled--all the goods remotely related to entertainment, income, where income changes get spent, and so on.

The idiocy of these "ripple effect" arguments is that they're using partial equilibrium to derive general equilibria effects! In other words, they're using a model that assumes nothing else matters to draw conclusions about the very things the model says doesn't matter.

Re:Not really much of a surprise... (3, Insightful)

Technician (215283) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251587)

*Everything* has a ripple effect on the economy. That's why it's called "the economy" as a whole. You can't expect a noticeable shift in traditional cash flow to not have at least some sort of chain reaction or reactions elsewhere.

Entirely true. The money spent on CD's, DVD's, Video Games, Movie tickets is not spent at Applebees, Disneyworld, Six Flags, US Forest Service, etc. The consumer has a limited income. It is either saved for retirement, spent on the requirements such as shelter, food, clothing, or entertainment. The expendible portion and it's ripple effect is a two way street. It makes a diffrence where the consumer spends the money. It is not a one way street of if the consumer spends the money or not.

If the percieved value for the money is not there and there is a piracy way to acquire the music, Then the money will be spent on someting of tangible value such as a concert ticket or an I-Pod.

Re:Not really much of a surprise... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251691)

No kidding! I stopped buying DVDs and CDs and instead using my money on beer, strippers, and sharks with lasers! I'm about to send all the sharks to "Hollywood Bay"

Easy to make them conceptualize it. (4, Insightful)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251007)

All Hollywood has to do is change the language so words like "theft" apply to non-applicable situations such as copyright infringement. After they succeed at this, they can transmute the words arson, rape, and murder to describe it. Make sure "think of the children" is mentioned occasionally.

Other things that have ripple effects. (5, Insightful)

Demon-Xanth (100910) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251009)

Making crappy movies.
Sueing your audience.
Making your customers go through crap that people who don't pay don't have to go through.

Um... (5, Insightful)

Pancake Bandit (987571) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251021)

This study recieved funding from NBC Universal and the MPAA. Why am I having a hard time taking it seriously?

Ripple Effects... On DVD Purchases... (4, Insightful)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251045)

I stopped buying DVDs since I'm never certain if the version out today won't be replaced by a extended version in six month and/or a gift box set next year. I want to spend my money only once. Not twice or thrice for the same product with extra features that should've been there in the first place.

Re:Ripple Effects... On DVD Purchases... (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251145)

I stopped buying DVDs since I'm never certain if the version out today won't be replaced by a extended version in six month and/or a gift box set next year. I want to spend my money only once.

Then only spend it once - don't blame Hollywood for your own lack of self control.

Re:Ripple Effects... On DVD Purchases... (2, Insightful)

Satan Dumpling (656239) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251431)

I don't see what that has to do with self control. They rarely announce that the standard dvd comes out now, the extended directors cut comes out in six months, and the super collosal box set next year. They add stuff later to force those who really like the product to buy it again. Or con those who were on the fence and didn't buy the first go round to buy it now. If you want the best version, sometimes all you can do is buy again and Ebay the first one. Right now I'm putting off buying Underworld II because they got me with an extended Underworld I version 6 months later. I gave the old one away...

Re:Ripple Effects... On DVD Purchases... (2, Insightful)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251633)

It's essentially a penalty for being a fan.

Re:Ripple Effects... On DVD Purchases... (4, Insightful)

ShibaInu (694434) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251257)

So, when the new version comes out, your old version suddenly becomes unwatchable? Seems to be that whatever content you had is still there. The problem isn't that Hollywood does this, the problem is that people reward them by buying the stuff.

Re:Ripple Effects... On DVD Purchases... (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251305)

I stopped buying DVDs since I'm never certain if the version out today won't be replaced by a extended version in six month . . .

The less stitches the more riches, you anti-capitalist scum.

KFG

Re:Ripple Effects... On DVD Purchases... (1)

archen (447353) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251409)

Um.. let me get this strait. You want the extended version now, but you don't get it now so you don't buy it at all. It sounds like you don't really need the DVD or the extended features since you're not buying either.

Re:Ripple Effects... On DVD Purchases... (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251495)

I stopped buying DVDs the day I realized that the15 or so I had bought were collecting dust and that I got just as much enjoyment out of renting them from the local video store for one tenth the cost of buying them. For the few movies that I decide to watch again a few years later, I don't mind renting them a second time. Ownership of (plastic discs that hold) movies is overrated.

Re:Ripple Effects... On DVD Purchases... (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251547)

So your answer to periodically updated DVDs is to not buy your favorite movie on DVD at all? Oh yeah, you show 'em! Don't you think that you might be the only one hurt by this?

What extra features could possibly matter that much anyway?

-matthew

Extra cash (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251081)

Sure - if you rip off films you'll have cash free to spend on other stuff instead! I'd have thought that was the whole point.

Re:Extra cash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251209)

I used my savings on more important items like........GAS!

Re:Extra cash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251417)


Funny, I get my gas for free. Seems to come from the raw vegetables.

Re:Extra cash (2, Funny)

absinthminded64 (883630) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251575)

Tom Cruise gets fired. . Stops buying his Prozac and Ritallin at the little pharmacy over by Paramount. . Pharmacy goes belly up. . The person that used to put the labels on the bottles at the supplier gets the pink slip. . Doesn't take that vaction to see Grandma.. Doesn't win the lottery. . Doesn't donate to the school that produces 2075's US President..

So, Tell me again what all this has to do with Piracy?

Ripple? (4, Funny)

misleb (129952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251089)

Ripple effect is fine. I just don't want to see a butterfly effect. One person pirates, and the next thing you know we have a chimpanzee for president and our rights are being eroded every day... Oh damn.

-matthew

Re:Ripple? (1)

Quaoar (614366) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251405)

I don't want to see "The Butterfly Effect" either.

Re:Ripple? (3, Funny)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251631)

I don't want to see "The Butterfly Effect" either.
I even don't want to pirate it...

Hollywood execs covering their asses (1)

AlzaF (963971) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251097)

Good cover for given the green light to big budget dud's and over-estimating box-office returns.

Keyword here... (5, Funny)

DittoBox (978894) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251115)

lost revenues may have as much as three times the impact previously imagined.

Need they say more?

Ripple effect? (1)

farker haiku (883529) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251119)

Is this anything like the ripple effect [wikipedia.org] in the 4400? Is the future of the world at stake? ARE WE ALL GOING TO DIE?!?

lost revenues may have as much as three times the impact previously imagined

I see a bright future for cdr and dvdr sales. And Ipods. Eat it, Hollywood.

Piracy (4, Funny)

Led Nudd (1004881) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251123)

It's important to remember, however, that even though piracy prevents money from reaching the movie industry, those dollars probably stay in the economy, one intellectual property expert said. Ridiculous! Doesn't everybody do what I do? That is, sink every penny I save through downloading pirated films into doubloons I keep buried in a chest in my back yard. Pieces of eight! Pieces of eight!

Re:Piracy (5, Funny)

johnw (3725) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251317)

No, it's "Pieces of seven! Pieces of seven!"

That's a parroty error.

And the stunning result? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251129)

The study reveals that the ripple makes everyone happier and wealthier!

Oh wait, this was funded by Hollywood?

In that case...
The ripple materializes a "Boston Strangler", "Jack the Ripper", or an "undead Abe Vigota" in every neighborhood, everywhere. FEAR THE RIPPLE!

Video Store Employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251133)

I figured it out. If there was less or no piracy every video rental store would have to hire additional employees to keep up with the crowds that would be lining up outside the doors.

Another broken window argument (4, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251135)

Hmm, perhaps the memories of the members of parliament, senators, congressmen and women should have their memories refreshed.

In fact, it's the pirates who benefit the economy most, they produce the goods at a far lower cost, the benefit is far and wide, what is saved on music and videos can be spent on more important items.

 

market forces (1)

Phantom of the Opera (1867) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251715)

Maybe it is time to examine the absurdity of a mix of sounds being worth millions of dollars.

Study finds need for more studies (5, Insightful)

sinij (911942) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251139)

Hollywood study finds that Hollywood deserves more money. Big surprise?

Doesn't make sense (2, Funny)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251141)

What about the study about how only three movies this summer were bearable to watch?

(Pirates, Sunshine, Superman)

Re:Doesn't make sense (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251273)

"What about the study about how only three movies this summer were bearable to watch?"(Pirates, Sunshine, Superman)"
The Hollywood report about the ripple effect caused by solar radiation will follow tomorrow. You will have to wait until Monday for the final report on the series (which is about how do-gooder aliens in red underwear affect the economy).

Re:Doesn't make sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251377)

> What about the study about how only three movies this summer were bearable to watch?

Really? Which ones were they?

Re:Doesn't make sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251471)

Sorry, you're wrong.

Superman was crap.
Aliens and humans successfully mating? I don't think so.

Re:Doesn't make sense (1)

Kamineko (851857) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251531)

Is it just me, or is that the ultimate crossover movie?

Consider the ripple effect of DRM (2, Insightful)

fwittekind (186517) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251161)

Which has a worse effect on the economy? Think about it for a sec... It increases costs of R&D of consumer electronics, it delays to market consumer electronics. It makes so only a select few can market products that will play the content. It makes the hardware more expensive. It decreases the size market that might buy the content.

"intellectual piracy" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251171)

what exactly is "intellectual piracy"?

Maybe it goes like this:

"Excuse me Steven. This music file you are listening to is exciting. It reminds me of the third movement of Beethoven's 6th. Like that under-appreciated piece, this quite moves me to tears."

"Yes Robert, this tone poem is a diamond in a sea of stones. Just the title alone is juxtaposition of Victorian sensibility, combined with the strength of early American art deco, and hints of carmel."

"Oh? Pray tell, what is the title of the folio? And what talented individual brought forth these sounds, from his womb of creativity?"

"The gentleman's name is '50 Cent', and the title of his masterwork is 'What Up Gangsta'"

*raising eyebrow* "Scandalous!"

they had to find some fud to backup their figures (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251191)

After the recent studies lessening the effects of piracy who is really surprised with one that states that the vastly overblown figures were actually "conservative" now they can go to whichever politician they have in their pockets and whine that the original numbers have to be true.

I would love to see a week or better yet a month where "piracy" by their definition ceased to be. Friends didnt pass on mix tapes, no one downloaded a game or song, no one loaned out a book, no one tried to move their windows license to a new computer, etc, I would then really love to see the real results of the ginormous sales they really think would happen. My prediction they fall drastically across the board. Yep alot of people pirate, but alot of people also buy things based on having heard it, played it or seen it and liked it.

Champions of morality... (4, Interesting)

CrazedWalrus (901897) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251217)

...now that immorality is hurting them. Is this the same Hollywood that has been overtly hostile to people who insist that there is such a thing as right and wrong? Piracy is just one of the many effects that Hollywood's fuzzy morality is having on society, and it happens to be the one that's directly biting them in the ass. I don't feel a bit sorry for them. In the various ways they've attacked traditional values over the years, I can't help but wonder how they didn't have the foresight to expect their current predicament.

-Walrus

Commercial copyright falling in value ? (2, Interesting)

quiberon2 (986274) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251221)

Now that anyone can record a song (that they wrote themselves) in their own home and distribute it over the Internet, isn't that going to reduce the value of the commercially-produced ones that the 'labels' make ? In effect, the 'control of the distribution channel' is gone, and we will be flooded with potentially-brilliant music for free (as advertising for band concerts, or as hobby).

To a lesser extent, it must be true of films, too. I don't think many individuals are capable of producing 'Star Wars' at home; but maybe some collaborations are.

welcome (1)

tommyatomic (924744) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251225)

I for one welcome our new mpaa mandated pirate overlords

Sounds kinda familiar. (1)

cyanics (168644) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251245)

SCO.

1) Stop making good products
2) Whine that it is everyone elses fault
3) File frivoulous lawsuits that are difficult to defend against.
4) Profit
5) Whine, rinse, repeat.
5b) loose all your money to the gaming industry, and try to sue them also.
6) whine, rinse, repeat.

entertainment companies fear (1)

l3v1 (787564) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251249)

entertainment companies fear

Until they will listen to what we fear [regarding fair use, copying, drm, etc.] I don't really care what they fear. But then again, I'm no lawmaker, and they will listen and do everything to make that fear go away. It's our fears that remain and slowly become reality.
 

Parables (1)

Scarblac (122480) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251271)

Can I propose a "Parable of the magically fixed window"?

Let's say I have a broken window. Perhaps I don't care about it, perhaps I absolutely need it fixed, perhaps I'' only have it fixed if it's cheaper than $x. It doesn't matter.

If I can magically download a new window from the Internet for free, and if I would have bought one otherwise, I am now free to spend my money on something else. The money goes elsewhere, the economy as a whole should be fine.

If I wouldn't have had it fixed, then there's no money unexpectedly left free, and the economy is unaffected. But I do have a magic window, that's a plus.

Now this obviously sucks for whoever made the magic window and was legally entitled to get paid for any downloads, can't argue that. But the economy as a whole? I don't think so.

(perverted from the well-known-on-Slashdot-since-a-few-weeks Parable of the broken window [wikipedia.org] , may contain obvious stupid mistakes)

Don't think so (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251351)

Every time I download something to fix my broken Windows, it ends up making it worse.

Do we care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251279)

Most the crew are a paid the minimum rate for 12-16 hour days if the movie succeeds or not. There's only one mainstream I'll be seeing this year and that's Scorsese's, you couldn't pay me sit through the rest.

Remind me, why does the world owe hollywood a living?

Voodoo (4, Funny)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251295)

RIAA: Those danm Pirates are attacking our economy with their Voodoo Economics!!

Pirate: Arrr!! But 'tis naught to the voodoo that you do so well!! Ye scurvy dogs!

Who Wants to Copy this Stuff?? (4, Interesting)

mrs clear plastic (229108) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251357)

There has been nothing worth copying! The stuff they put out is so pathetic that I would not want to waste bandwith copying.

I have not been to a first run flick for over 1 year. I have been seeing only 70's and 80's classics such as Blade Runner and Xanadu and James Bond.

Hollywood's product has really be very dissapointing to say the least. Perhaps Congress shall pass laws that dictate minimum quality to this stuff.

Luv

Re:Who Wants to Copy this Stuff?? (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251705)

Most of the people who copy this stuff don't even copy it to watch it. It's more of a packrat mentality than an "I like these movies mentality".

Xanadu???? (1)

Anomalyst (742352) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251813)

The 70's one with ONJ and rollerskating?

hollyweird (1)

gsmraxe (442187) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251371)

Maybe if they stopped making remakes of old movies and never ending sequels to bad movies people would actually go SEE a movie.

I find myself picking up older movies (pre 1990) in a walmart for $5.50...I'd rather watch "Moscow on the Hudson" again than some of the movies that are out now.

And music??? Don't get me started...Maybe they should pull Allan Holdsworth out of that job as a salesman in a used car lot and give him a decent record deal.
Why is it impossible to find Pat Metheny CDs in the record store?

Re:hollyweird (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251449)

"And music??? Don't get me started...Maybe they should pull Allan Holdsworth out of that job as a salesman in a used car lot and give him a decent record deal."

I know what you mean. Eddie Jobson's my barista. Waste of talent.

Why is "the Economy " the Government's #1 Concern? (1)

mgpeter (132079) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251383)

Lately the only thing the United States Government cares about is the "State of the Economy" (and terrorists). We are constantly being bombarded with news stories on why such and such law would stimulate the economy or this and that could be bad for the economy.

Whatever happened to the government "For the people, by the people"?

Wait, let me answer that - it has been replaced by the government "For the Corporations, (paid for) by the Corporations".

Ripple Effect BS (2, Informative)

minerat (678240) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251407)

The multiplier effect Hollywood is referring to is a well known economic priciple. Basically money spent in the economy has a ripple effect greater than its actual amount (money spent helps pay someone's salary, who then uses the money to go out and buy goods, etc). The assumption they're erroneously making is that the money not being spent on movies because of piracy (and let's face it, they grossly overestimate that by claiming that every pirated copy is a lost sale) is not being spent elsewhere in the economy instead, thus making ZERO NET IMPACT on the economy as a whole - it's just Hollywood that loses out as spending shifts to different areas.

Hollywood Lies! (2, Interesting)

pfz (965654) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251415)

Any study that is backed by "Hollywood" (whomever that is), is nothing more than the movie studios and the guilds getting together to figure out yet another way to control technology. These are some of the most greedy corporate tools on earth! I was once told by a union executive that all the new technology is great because they can digitally superimpose products into scenes (that were not originally in the scene) and get more money from advertising. Forget art! We can sell more Doritos!!!

My hero and friend, Richard Stallman has a lot to say on the topic of piracy and "Hollywood" in the new documentary ALTERNATIVE FREEDOM. It also features Lawrence Lessig, Danger Mouse (of Gnarls Barkley and the illegal Grey Album) and and others...

Buy a copy to support the folks out there who are trying to spread better information than "Hollywood."

http://alternativefreedom.org/ [alternativefreedom.org]

Re:Hollywood Lies! (1)

Lugae (88858) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251805)

ALternative Freedom is a must watch for anyone around here.

Well, which is it? (1)

zogger (617870) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251423)

--they say that piracy has a ripple effect to the negative, but globalization and outsourcing good paying manufacturing and IT jobs doesn't???? Nonsense! Many intartubes financial experts would beg to differ! Let's look at this .....

    If we follow the globalist economist's ideas, then "outsourcing" Hollywood movie distribution to "pirates" should be GOOD for the economy! They need to get with the globalization program!

This is how globalism works, pay attention MPAA:

The jobs go elsewhere where the capital investment is less expensive and you can leverage tech and labor costs downward to the cheapest levels possible acording to sound capitalist guidelines-check! Nothing is cheaper or more efficient than using the pirates to duplicate and distribute the movies!

The resultant product is also then cheaper for the consumer-double check! YAHOO!

It's GLOBALISM! Thanks Wall Street, we are TEH SAVED!

Re:Well, which is it? (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251611)

Nothing wrong with outsourcing. If someone who is better at a certian job happens to be foreign, so what?

I agree 100% (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251499)

I agree 100% that there's a ripple effect. Many of us will download a quick and dirty copy of the latest blockbuster movie, see that it's absolute shit, and in turn, not go see it at the theaters or buy the DVD. Previously, millions of people were duped into paying hard earned money to see absolute and total garbage. I agree 100% that there's a ripple effect. I hope the ripples get bigger.

dear mpaa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16251529)

dear mpaa,

i'll be glad to stop pirating movies once the price of DVDs drops to $5. lets face it, we usually only watch a DVD once or twice, so $20 is ridiculously overpriced.

sincerely,
movie pirate

Re:dear mpaa (1)

AlzaF (963971) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251593)

as most DVD's retail will retail eventually for $5 so please don't give out as much hot air as Hollywood, we have a problem at moment with global warming you know

*AA (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251537)

Please keep your bulshit greed to your own home country and stop exporting it to my region.

Funny anti-piracy adverts (1)

AlzaF (963971) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251553)

All these anti piracy adverts at cinema's and on DVD's and people who buy pirate movies never go to the cinema or buy legal DVD's.

Re:Funny anti-piracy adverts (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251739)

This is logic. Greed tends not to operate on such logic.

Not just this... (1)

kentrel (526003) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251577)

but in other breaking news slashdotters deny evidence for global warming, the moon landing and Bill Gate's charity donations. (though admittedly that last one is a little difficult to believe, but hey, not wanting to believe something doesn't make it false)

The end of the world as we know it... (1)

Sgt_Jake (659140) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251619)

I'm sorry I posted this earlier today, but I'm only stealing from myself...

The follow up report will be about how all forms of entertainment on earth will be destroyed, taking with it almost all life on earth except for the main characters who are probably working in the mall or at the cable company with you. It's aNOTHER side effect of piracy. You might have seen it in such Hollywood blockbusters as "Armageddon", or "Volcano", or even "The Day After Tomorrow". You see, without Hollywood, we wouldn't have known that these catastrophes were even possible, much less how we might actually survive them. I for one thank God almost every day for the Big 5 [Movie/Music studio]'s whom without which we would all be dead. And Tom Cruise. Always for Tom Cruise.

It's not like people aren't spending the money (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251623)

It's not like people are hording money that would have been spent on DVDs. The money is still flowing through the economy. So this is hardly a bad thing for the economy as a whole, it just means that other sectors of the economy are earning more money.

-Rick

Global warming up 0.5% (1)

AlzaF (963971) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251647)

What with all this hot air. Boom...boom...If you're going flog it, flog it like a dead horse

liar, liar, pants on fire. (1)

jay2003 (668095) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251749)

These studies are based on the bogus premise that those downloading would be willing to pay the retail price for content if piracy was not an option. This is such a bogus assumption I think it is fair the label those did the study and those who tout it as liars. There is ZERO evidence for such a claim.

Because there is not a good way to price discriminate in the CD & DVD markets (charge less to those willing to pay less without charging less for everyone), it's quite possible that Hollywood and the RIAA would get ZERO additional dollars if they found the magic technological or legal bullet to kill priracy (which mythological entity that does not exist in this reality, but that's a different story). Somebody who trys to get content for free is by definiation not willing to pay for very much for the content. If they were willing to pay $20 for the DVD, they would have ordered from Amazon.

Hollywood and politicians are two groups that know nothing about basic micro economics and will be happy to undermine the liberty of the citizens of this country for an illusory pot of gold at the end of the DRM rainbow.

why now the easy way out. (1)

recharged95 (782975) | more than 7 years ago | (#16251841)

Why doesn't Hollywood just tell the gov't (or governments) to charge a nice fat tax. Then everyone pays. Gov't deals are 'easy' nowdays--really easy.

It works for the defense companies.... (e.g. Wars anyone?)--sorry had to say it.

---------

Gov't is like a business that needs no sales people. Your forced to pay [taxes].

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