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High-Def Disc Interactivity Debuts on HD DVD

Zonk posted about 8 years ago | from the movies-remixed dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Next to picture quality, interactivity has been touted as one of the key selling points of the next-gen disc formats — unlike standard def DVD, both HD DVD and Blu-ray are capable of delivering truly interactive experiences. This past Tuesday, Universal Studios released 'Fast and the Furious: Toyko Drift' on HD DVD with an interactive feature they've dubbed 'U-Control,' delivering the first true on-the-fly, user-controlled supplements to a pre-recorded video format."

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interactivity... (1, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | about 8 years ago | (#16253659)

Next to picture quality, interactivity has been touted as one of the key selling points of the next-gen disc formats -- unlike standard def DVD, both HD DVD and Blu-ray are both capable of delivering truly interactive experiences.

By "interactivity", I'm assuming they mean throwing the player out of a third-story window when it refuses to play a DRM'ed movie that you've paid for [betanews.com] ?

Re:interactivity... (1)

NevDull (170554) | about 8 years ago | (#16253811)

Hell, dude, it's even worse. Interactivity means being able to turn features on which do prerecorded things, on demand. Wow.

On-demand multiple streams of recorded content took only 35 years after videos first made it to optical discs?

Re:interactivity... (1)

ColaMan (37550) | about 8 years ago | (#16255091)

Reminds me of those VCD arcade games of the 80's - wouldn't that be defined as "interactive video"?
You know, those old 'western' type ones. Damned if I can remember the name of it now.

Re:interactivity... (2, Informative)

blugu64 (633729) | about 8 years ago | (#16255407)

MadDog McGree(Cree??)

Re:interactivity... (1)

Guitarhero1000 (1007633) | about 8 years ago | (#16255743)

I think their new "Interactive" incentive is bundling a Meguires car toweltte in with "The fast and the furious, tokyo drift". No joke, I actually seen this. And the funny part about it was that is cost more than the Movie without the towel. Whoever buys that has issues. 16$ = Movie. 22$ = Movie/ FREE CAR CLEANING TOWEL!!!

wth (4, Insightful)

RinkyDinks_RJ (995306) | about 8 years ago | (#16253681)

And I care about movie interactivity why? It's a friggin movie for crying out loud.

Re:wth (5, Insightful)

Neil Hodges (960909) | about 8 years ago | (#16253815)

I would think that people who want interactivity would play the video game based on the movie. Why would they want to have influence over the movie that they only want to watch, rather than have full control of a simulation in a video game?

Re:wth (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16254633)

Again the dumbass mods fail it. Valid question for a stupid technology.

Regular DVDs have enough storage, enough resolution, enough interactivity (minimal), and are freaking everywhere. No one with half a brain will want to buy their entire movie collection all over again on a format that offers so goddamn little.

Give it up, corporate fat bastards. We don't want your shitty newer harder to crack technology. FOAD/DIAF.

Yes, I'm angry. Thanks to greedy fucks that take advantage of people by dangling marginally better technology in front of them to get even richer than they already are. Fuck them.

Re:wth (1)

ergo98 (9391) | about 8 years ago | (#16254913)

And I care about movie interactivity why? It's a friggin movie for crying out loud.

Despite the score on your post (currently -1), it's a very valid point -- most extras on DVDs are never viewed (at most I've gone into the deleted scenes for some laughs). Making those interactive will hardly improve them (in fact the interactivity is usually the pain, as you wait for stupid transition scenes to play out between selections), and I marvel that studios still spend the money to produce them.

Where I think interactivity would improve the genre are for things like DVD games, basically turning the DVD player into a 3do.

Re:wth (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 8 years ago | (#16254947)

"And I care about movie interactivity why? It's a friggin movie for crying out loud."

Depends on what features are added. I've had DVDs that had some interesting commentaries, for example. The Muppets in Space movie had a neat little gag where it had MST3K'ish chars in the front making comments. The Star Trek DVDs had little blippy 'facts' about the art direction in the shows byh Michael Okuda. (Although why that was some flashy thing with graphics instead of simple text is beyond me...)

Interactive doesn't just mean they can play Dragon's Lair. Conversely, it doesn't necessarily mean only good will come from it. Heh.

DVD didn't deliver (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16253709)

Been suckered once. I bought DVD soon after it came out. There was promise of 8 sound tracks and 32 subtitles; watch the movie in language of your choice. Most newer US DVDs are English/French only and 2-3 subtitles max.

Re:DVD didn't deliver (2, Interesting)

evolseven (941210) | about 8 years ago | (#16253797)

on top of that.. I have this button called angle on my dvd remote.. I believe it was supposed to allow you to watch a scene from different angles, every dvd player I have seen has it on it.. But amazingly.. i have never seen it used.. so its great that hd-dvd can do it.. but the question is.. will it get used?

Re:DVD didn't deliver (1)

Coopjust (872796) | about 8 years ago | (#16253895)

DVD was capable of doing all of those things; however, most studios did not utilize them. Angles require more storage. Besides, most movies are made from one angle at a time, but a few music DVD's have multiple angles. Languages and Captions are also possible. Region 1 DVD's most often have English, Spanish, and French (primary languages for Canada & US). The lack of subtitles in more than one or two languages is extremely stupid. If you make the subtitles for whatever language so you can sell it there, why not put it on?

Re:DVD didn't deliver (3, Insightful)

Tim Browse (9263) | about 8 years ago | (#16253945)

Yes, I have seen the angle feature used twice in all of the DVDs I have:

  • In a music concert - you get to choose between 4 streams (3 raw cameras and one directed stream). Quite cool.
  • On the Ghostbusters DVD 'extra bits' - they had some animatics of SFX sequences, and you could flick between the animatics and the final footage

I've noticed some DVDs don't have the angle feature on the remote now (and, for example, Windows Media Center doesn't seem to support it).

Re:DVD didn't deliver (1)

yakumo.unr (833476) | about 8 years ago | (#16254327)

The Shaolin Wheel of Life DVD has a few scenes with different angles too.

DVD [movies] didn't deliver (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16255453)

There's another thing people in this forum are forgetting. DVDs isn't just about movies. I have educational material that uses all the features of DVD, as well as DVD magazines that use some.

Re:DVD didn't deliver (1)

WWWWolf (2428) | about 8 years ago | (#16254417)

I've seen multi-angle used in exactly one feature movie: The Hunt for Red October has the texts at the beginning in different languages.

It's also used pretty often in special features (usually in storyboard/animatic/special effect comparisons where you can switch between storyboard/etc view, final movie view and one that shows both).

Tried pr0n? (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about 8 years ago | (#16254621)

I believe it was supposed to allow you to watch a scene from different angles, every dvd player I have seen has it on it.. But amazingly.. i have never seen it used

I've read that most multi-angle DVDs are of erotic films.

Re:DVD didn't deliver (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16254641)

I've heard a rumor that lots of porn dvds use this.

Re:DVD didn't deliver (1)

POKETNRJSH (944872) | about 8 years ago | (#16254911)

A few specialty DVDs do...I believe DCI does, but that's why the DVD costs nearly 100 bucks.

Re:DVD didn't deliver (1)

Ucklak (755284) | about 8 years ago | (#16255093)

The Matrix is the only movie I know of that used it and it was only when the white rabbit popped up in the corner of the screen and all the `feature` was was the special effects shot without all the effects.

Re:DVD didn't deliver (1)

Rakarra (112805) | about 8 years ago | (#16254287)

Why would you need to? This is America and Canada, everyone speaks English (or Spanish, or French) here. W-wait a minute, you wouldn't want to play your region 1 DVD in a different region, would you? Sacriledge!

I have the sinking feeling that's one of the reasons why DVDs come with so few language tracks. Another notion is that possibly the same movie in different regions might be a different cut of the film (some countries have different editing needs..) It might be possible that a different language track won't exactly match the cut of the movie on your R1 disc.

100+ Million BluRay PS3s Over The Next Five Years (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16253787)

The only people who still care about the dead HD-DVD format are the Microsoft astroturfers over on the avs forum...

The only 'chance' HD-DVD still has is an expensive and clunky addon to a console, the Xbox 360, that is dead in two of the three major regions, Japan and Europe, and is selling worse, some 400k at similar points in its shelf life, than its preceding console, the Xbox.

Most stores aren't even stocking HD-DVD players any more or at best moving them off in the back with the 720p TV sets.

Nice... (1)

DanielNS84 (847393) | about 8 years ago | (#16253789)

I'm assuming this content is better than the movie itself. I had to turn the movie off halfway through because the quality level was almost as bad as the second TFATF.

Re:Nice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16254397)

I'm assuming this content is better than the movie itself. I had to turn the movie off halfway through because the quality level was almost as bad as the second TFATF.

Apparently you didn't learn your lesson from the first two...

Re:Nice... (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | about 8 years ago | (#16255433)

Tokyo Drift is worth watching if only to see Nathalie Kelley.

I'd love drift on her curves.

Why is this cool? (5, Insightful)

crazyjeremy (857410) | about 8 years ago | (#16253859)

How do these features differ from the simplest video games? So there's some more space available on an HD DVD or Blueray... they just cram the space full with this?

Unless I don't understand something... what does this add to the movie itself? If it doesn't, then it's just an added feature that has no inherent quality and doesn't aid in my decision to purchase a movie in the first place.

Re:Why is this cool? (0, Flamebait)

AdmiralWeirdbeard (832807) | about 8 years ago | (#16254147)

...so what you're saying is you hate freedom, right?

Why is this cool?-FOR ME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16254381)

"Unless I don't understand something... what does this add to the movie itself? If it doesn't, then it's just an added feature that has no inherent quality and doesn't aid in my decision to purchase a movie in the first place."

Hey Mr Insightful! Why does everything have to be about YOU? What about the rest of us?

Re:Why is this cool? (1)

gardyloo (512791) | about 8 years ago | (#16254583)

what does this add to the movie itself?

    In the case of this movie? Doesn't matter. Anything helps.

Re:Why is this cool? (3, Insightful)

HAKdragon (193605) | about 8 years ago | (#16254625)

No, no, no. Don't you get it? This is HD-DVD! It's new and exciting! We're finally able to do things we've never had the space to do before? No, this is nothing like Dragonslayer or other laser disc games, nor is it like a FMV game. It's new! Buy it! Please?

Interactivity! (2, Funny)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | about 8 years ago | (#16253875)

Yes, that's whats going to sell it!

Movie vs. Features (5, Insightful)

corychristison (951993) | about 8 years ago | (#16253907)

<rant>
I don't know about anyone else, but when I watcha movie, I like to watch the movie. Not Flashy, buzz-wordy bull crap.

Whenever I purchase a new DVD, before I even watch it, I rip it, strip everything but the main movie, and burn it.

Whoever invented the retarted "feature" to stop you from going directly to the meny during previews is a fucktard. I've only seen it once or twice, but still a complete pain in the ass.

Then we have the people who enjoy placing a tonne of DRM/copy proctection on the discs and just like to piss people like me off who actually buy movies, and want to just have the main movie start playing when the disc in inserted. Not sit through a bunch of warnings, movie previews, and then sit at the goddamn menu until you have to press the play button. I can see sometimes this can be of use, but in more cases than not, I just want to watch TFM[ovie]!

In conclusion, I want better content, not features. Stop waisting your time and money on crap nobody cares about.
</rant>
Sorry. I just had to get that off my chest.

Re:Movie vs. Features (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 years ago | (#16254151)

Some features are a huge draw to DVDs.

But yeah, when I put it in, just start.

Some childrens movies will start automatically if they sit at the main menu for a little while. Still ahve to go through the FBI warning, then the MPAA psuedo warning.

Re:Movie vs. Features (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 8 years ago | (#16254265)

Still ahve to go through the FBI warning, then the MPAA psuedo warning.

I don't like the fact that you can't click past the copyright warnings but I think it is much worse that the same feature is used to force you to watch the studio splash.

Re:Movie vs. Features (1)

Rakarra (112805) | about 8 years ago | (#16254323)

I actually want the menus, but I don't want a menu sequence. That is, when the menu comes up, I want to be able, at that very moment, to click on the options (usually sound and subtitle information). Forget the previews, forget the copyright notice. Just a responsive menu without some "oooh, sit back and look at what we whipped up" menu sequence.

Flag to Prevent Skipping Ads (2, Informative)

joeflies (529536) | about 8 years ago | (#16254715)

The DVD "feature" that prevents you from skipping the FBI warning and the trailers at the beginning of your DVD is called User Operationg Prohibition [wikipedia.org] When you rip your dvd's and reburn them, the software removes the flag so your palyer will let you skip those sections.

But back when I was looking for an all-region dvd player, i found that some players have hacks to remove recognition of UOP flags. I'm glad I did - I find UOP Flag more annoying than the region locking, since I have to deal with UOP with every DVD I watch.

Re:Flag to Prevent Skipping Ads (1)

Headcase88 (828620) | about 8 years ago | (#16255765)

So for those keeping track at home, if you pirate the movie, you can skip the anti-piracy warnings.

Re:Movie vs. Features (2, Interesting)

Firehed (942385) | about 8 years ago | (#16254903)

You must be my long-lost brother (or switched with the current one that I'm trying to lose). Almost my entire movie collection - at least, that which isn't ripped to Xvid on my hard drive - is a burned copy of the original with the movie and, that's it. Put it in, it plays. No "you can't skip this", no waiting for six minutes of pre-menu animation, no dozen FBI warnings in three languages, and no previews (the one REAL improvement the first DVDs had over VHS).

Of course, not all players seem to like my DVD-R copies (what I hate about the + and - formats), but mine has no problems with them anyways, and in case it's a separate issue. I used to work at a video store, and almost without question, the second disk of two-disk movies went untouched (obvious from the lack of fingerprints - you think people might have figured out how to pick up optical media by now). People get movies to watch the movies - only the collectors and enthusiasts actually care about extra features. Give me cheaper stuff that Just Works and I promise I'll actually pay.

Re:Movie vs. Features (2, Informative)

MrSteveSD (801820) | about 8 years ago | (#16254971)

I only recently discovered how annoyed my parents were with DVDs, compared to their old Video Recorder. They are very frustrated that they can't whizz through all the crap at the beginning.

I've noticed that on some DVD's you can just skip to the root menu, but others make you watch every single company logo and FBI warning. Do we really care that the DVD can't be watched on Oil Rigs? Given the minuscule number of people living on Oil Rigs, is it at all fair to take up our time with that crap?

Re:Movie vs. Features (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 8 years ago | (#16255681)

I don't know about anyone else, but when I watcha movie, I like to watch the movie. Not Flashy, buzz-wordy bull crap.

And when you see a /. story, you want to jump right to the ranting and complaining, not take time to think about the subject for a few minutes...

I'm sure people had the same complaint about video games when they were introduced. Not to mention FMVs...

There are different kinds of movies being churned out by Hollywood these days. One type you want to sit back and watch... The other, they couldn't possibly make any worse by adding interactivity. Guess which category "Tokyo Drift" falls under...

Whoever invented the retarted "feature" to stop you from going directly to the meny during previews is a fucktard.

When was the last time you had that problem with your HD-DVDs?

DVDs != HD-DVDs

In conclusion, I want better content, not features.

Funny. Why aren't you buying VHS tapes then?

Re:Movie vs. Features (1)

corychristison (951993) | about 8 years ago | (#16255991)

Just for kicks, I feel I must reply to your completely misinformed comment.

And when you see a /. story, you want to jump right to the ranting and complaining, not take time to think about the subject for a few minutes...
So I'm not perfect. You, on the other hand, look at other comments and nit-pick and complain about the ones you don't like.
There, we are even on that one.

I'm sure people had the same complaint about video games when they were introduced. Not to mention FMVs...

There are different kinds of movies being churned out by Hollywood these days. One type you want to sit back and watch... The other, they couldn't possibly make any worse by adding interactivity. Guess which category "Tokyo Drift" falls under...
At least we can agree on something. ;-)

When was the last time you had that problem with your HD-DVDs?

DVDs != HD-DVDs
I think you are completely missing the point on my statement. I'm argueing the fact that people don't give a damn about the ads. After reading other comments on this news article, there are quite a few people who seem to have the same opinion. Options never hurt anyone.

Funny. Why aren't you buying VHS tapes then?
Because the cartridges don't fit in my disc player.
But seriously, because a lot of movies are not available on VHS. Not to mention the lack of widescreen, not being able to easily watch them on my computer... and so on.

I hope this helped clear a few things up.
Thank you, come again!

The interactive features of DVD mostly unused (2, Interesting)

openright (968536) | about 8 years ago | (#16254005)

Most of the interactive features of DVD's were never used seriously,
to create a new viewing experience.

How many DVD's really had useful multiple angles?
  - Like perhaps a Fixed camera, vs one that panned.
How many DVD's had a useful alternate audio track.
  - Like a music only (matrix came close), or without drama music.
How many DVD's had seamless alternate endings or alternate paths.
(not just an all too common alternate ending presented like a deleted scence.)

The features of DVD should be used before we think about a need to switch to the new disposable DRM formats.

Re:The interactive features of DVD mostly unused (1)

Rakarra (112805) | about 8 years ago | (#16254359)

- Like a music only (matrix came close), or without drama music.

Amadeus comes with an excellent music-only track. Mozart wrote some fantastic stuff, and it's nice to just pop in the dvd and listen. Or even watch the movie only with the music to see how each piece was chosen to convey mood and suppliment emotion.

Re:The interactive features of DVD mostly unused (1)

Ucklak (755284) | about 8 years ago | (#16255143)

Like Legend with the Jerry Goldsmith track or the Tangerine Dream track. Instead you get 2 DVDs.

Interactivity: perfect for porn (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16254011)

Once again, the porn industry drives technology forward. It will be very "interesting" to see what they come up with for this feature!

Re:Interactivity: perfect for porn (2, Funny)

PornMaster (749461) | about 8 years ago | (#16254437)

Hahahaha... superimpose a bag over the chick's face.

Re:Interactivity: perfect for porn (1)

TychoCelchuuu (835690) | about 8 years ago | (#16255081)

Judging by your user name, you've been planning this a while. :D

Re:Interactivity: perfect for porn (1)

Frightening (976489) | about 8 years ago | (#16255193)

Once again, the porn industry drives technology forward

????
Elaboration please.

Re:Interactivity: perfect for porn (1)

tgpo (976851) | about 8 years ago | (#16255365)

1. Click Up 2. Click Down 3. Repeat Step 1-2

Why bother editing a movie? (1)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | about 8 years ago | (#16254031)

Why not just shove a bunch of shots onto the disk and let the user play them in whatever order they like. Save money because you can fire the editors. And you can label it 'truly interactive' to sell it for more money. Guaranteed profit.

Re:Why bother editing a movie? (1)

garcia (6573) | about 8 years ago | (#16254455)

Why bother editing a movie?

Because the first time around the movie sucked [imdb.com] bad [rottentomatoes.com] .

Re:Why bother editing a movie? (1)

NexFlamma (919608) | about 8 years ago | (#16255693)

Shhhh! Don't give them any ideas!

One area they'll never be interactive in (4, Insightful)

noidentity (188756) | about 8 years ago | (#16254043)

I can guarantee you DVDs and successors will never give interactivity where it's most wanted: being able to put the disc in the player and press ONE button ONCE and have it immediately start playing the ACTUAL MOVIE. No way. To get that feature, you have to break the law and copy the DVD.

Heck no! (1)

Cybert4 (994278) | about 8 years ago | (#16254261)

We can't have that. We need several minutes of ads. And it sure can't play the movie after that! Customer experience? Who cares!

It SHOULD just play the damn movie the moment you stick the disc in. It doesn't.

Movies (1)

bostonsoxfan (865285) | about 8 years ago | (#16254063)

I don't know about others of the Slashdot crowd but most of the time I see absolutely no need for movie extras really. I want to watch a movie, sometimes its fun to see extra scenes but really some of them were cut for a reason. I mean how much of the price of a dvd or one of these HD dvds is going to be paying someone to program these interactive features.

Re:Movies (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 years ago | (#16254125)

Some of them are cut for time.
One of the best scenes in Galaxy Quest was cut for time, and I'd like to see it in context.

Same thing with unbreakable. There are two VERY powerfull scenes that were cut at the last minute which I'd like to see in context as well.

Yeah, most of them wouldn't look to good since they probably didn't get to the final stages of editing.

Re:Movies (2, Insightful)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about 8 years ago | (#16254409)

This is the case in the Bourne Identity which allows you to play the original theatrical version or the new beginning and ending tacked on as well. Several movies I've seen do this already (and the additional footage is of course lower quality).

The one I'd love to see though is say the Lord of the Rings trilogy done so you can watch the theatrical version (for the shorter-movie-loving wife) or the DVD versions turning on or off the extra scenes live (and switching to the appropriate version of the soundtrack).

That I see as a valuable way to be able to author a DVD ... not adding overlays.

Re:Movies (1)

corychristison (951993) | about 8 years ago | (#16254139)

sometimes its fun to see extra scenes but really some of them were cut for a reason
I see you have made an input error. Let me correct it for you:
sometimes its fun to see extra scenes but really most of them were cut for a reason

Enjoy. :-)

Re:Movies (1)

Tim Browse (9263) | about 8 years ago | (#16254393)

Actually, they are often cut for stupid reasons. For example, ask a Hollywood director how easy it is to get a studio to accept a comedy movie that lasts longer than 90 minutes.

You're not the sole target for DVDs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16255919)

I guess you have to actually *care* about the movies for the extras to be worth it sometimes. Perhaps you only rent movies, but for those of us who actually *buy* DVDs the extras are a nice addition.

The deleted scenes are fun and all, but for me it's the director's cuts and director's commentaries that add a new dimension to my favorite movies. Try listening to Ridley Scott's commentary on "Alien" [reel.com] and see if that changes your opinion of extras being worthless.

More things change.. (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 years ago | (#16254081)

Isn't this what was promised with DVDs?
Why yes, yes it was.

I have yet to see a DVD player that contains all the features of Laser Disk.

Re:More things change.. (1)

garcia (6573) | about 8 years ago | (#16254525)

I have yet to see a DVD player that contains all the features of Laser Disk.

And I haven't seen a Laser Disc player since I was in 7th grade and it's not like it's because they're had to see because of their size ;)

Pr0n (2, Insightful)

not-admin (943926) | about 8 years ago | (#16254101)

I have a feeling this might actually end up being a main selling point for the disk format...

After all, doesn't everyone want more intereactivity in their pornography?

Re:Pr0n (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16254453)

I think we need to invest more in sex bots personally. I would be interested in a seeing what our society is like once we can get a robot that sounds, looks, and feels close enough to a real women/man....

shouldn't parent be modded funny, not insightful (1)

MBuhrow (979212) | about 8 years ago | (#16254713)

Yeah, yeah, I must be new here....

Obligatory Futurama (4, Funny)

Dachannien (617929) | about 8 years ago | (#16254227)

Announcer: If you want Calculon to race to the laser gun battle in his hover-Ferarri, press 1! If you want Calculon to double-check his paperwork, press 2! Enter now!
Fry presses 1.
Chair: You have pressed 2!
Fry: No, I didn't!
Chair: I'm almost positive you did!
Time passes.
Calculon: Add in the carryover from form 16A, then deduct line 2B...

Doesn't matter how good the features are... (1)

thedbp (443047) | about 8 years ago | (#16254283)

If the studios keep pumping out crap like Fast and the Furious, they'll continue to see box office decline, slumping interest, skyrocketing piracy, and marginal adoption of new technology. Generally bad things for the forseeable future.

Re:Doesn't matter how good the features are... (0)

farble1670 (803356) | about 8 years ago | (#16254513)

i get your point, but i really can't see how poor quality increases piracy, however much we'd like to be punishing movie studios for crap content. how does it work? this movie sucks, so i'll use up 4GB (or 1.2GB, or whatever) of my drive, and use my bandwidth to share it? i think poor quality probably deters piracy.

Re:Doesn't matter how good the features are... (1)

smidget2k4 (847334) | about 8 years ago | (#16255937)

No no, you got it backwards. Poor movies = lower profits. Lower profits = something is wrong. That something is obviously piracy.

I see nothing wrong with that logic.

Not again... (1)

JohnnyBigodes (609498) | about 8 years ago | (#16254421)

They have tried this over and over again about 10-odd years ago with "Interactive Movies", basically 'games' that you could pick cutscenes in, little more than that. They failed miserably and terribly, except for the odd corner case.

Apparently, history does repeat itself (and they still haven't learned from the previous mistake).

When people put a movie in, they want to be *passively entertained*. Having the brain in between two states (passive and active) doesn't really work.

Re:Not again... (1)

Ucklak (755284) | about 8 years ago | (#16255169)

Bob Gale of Back to the Future fame experiemented with interactive movies after BTTF ran its course.

The only interactive people want in media is video games, and not everyone is a gamer. Most people want to be entertained.

Re:Not again... (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | about 8 years ago | (#16255457)

If you RTFA, you'd see that these "interactive" additions are little different from VH-1's "Pop-up Video". The things metioned are picture-in-picture interviews during the movie, concept art overlays, "GPS" (a sort of bird's eye view of the race scenes, kinda like the track map in a game), and pop-up stats about the cars.

You don't get to decide the outcome of the movie. The "good guy" still wins. And Nathalie Kelley is still hot.

Pr0n (2, Funny)

king-manic (409855) | about 8 years ago | (#16254423)

It'll be huge for porn. They already do choose your own camera angle. They can now do it with higher definition. See that $5 whore and her meth teeth in 1080p with 5.1 surround to truly capture what it's like to be seedy and cheap all from the comforts of home. See every pimple, needle mark, ruise, and wrinkle.

Re:Pr0n (1)

failedlogic (627314) | about 8 years ago | (#16254609)

Uh, isn't the point supposed to be that you can change the camera angle so that you can't see her teeth, pimple, needle mark, ruise and wrinkle esp since it will be in HD? ;) Suggestion: Maybe you should spend more than $5 on your porn so they can pay for a better "actress"!

Re:Pr0n (1)

dank zappingly (975064) | about 8 years ago | (#16254773)

Hey man easy with the stereotyping. There are plenty of brainy broads out there in pr0n. Like Thomas Pynchon's niece: http://www.nypost.com/seven/09282006/gossip/pagesi x/pagesix.htm [nypost.com] (New York Post). Just because they're taking it in the dumper on film to make a living does not mean that they're all meth head junkies. Some are oversexed coeds from ultra liberal arts colleges who view the money as just an added bonus for what they would be doing in their spare time anyway. When I used to write for the Cornell Daily Sun I couldn't even bring it home to show my parents because the sex columnist would be writing about how she her bum was violated by a Naval Officer on shore leave. Seriously. Then again I don't know anyone who would pay to see her in a state of undress.

Jesus fuckdickle dude, what is wrong with you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16256019)

Try some good porn, you might like the attractive women more than pimply, needle marked, wrinkled $5 meth whores.

I wonder what programmability the format has (1)

Future Man 3000 (706329) | about 8 years ago | (#16254441)

There were some pretty interesting things that could be done with the programming language that DVDs use, but to my knowledge it wasn't to the point of being able to write meaningful games. I wonder if the "interactivity" means including things like a pseudorandom number generator so one could throw in, for example, a video poker game as an easter egg (or is there a way to do this on regular DVDs that didn't occur to me?)

Here we go again! (2, Insightful)

WWWWolf (2428) | about 8 years ago | (#16254497)

delivering the first true on-the-fly, user-controlled supplements to a pre-recorded video format.

Great! The people who missed 1995 in videogames have finally a chance to relive the legendary golden era of Full Motion Video Multimedia CD-ROM Games! A little bit less compression artifacts, but the same two-penny production values, the same horrible acting, the same cheesy special effects and especially the same level of interactivity!

::runs in fear as the memories of the Philips CD-i commercials flood in mind...::

Just buy a video game (1)

iamacat (583406) | about 8 years ago | (#16254527)

It should be easy (as far as movies and games go in general) to write, say, an XBOX 360 game that is just streaming VC1/MPEG4/H.264 video most of the time and occasionally drops into mini-action sequences so that you have to kill an enemy, win a car race or otherwise influence movie's branching storyline. Interactive features on players without a decent CPU/GPU are doomed to be amatuerish in comparison, so why even bother?

You just described Final Fantasy (1)

Asmor (775910) | about 8 years ago | (#16255209)

Long streams of video with brief moments of interactivity? Final Fantasy!

Thank you! (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 8 years ago | (#16255683)

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I thought I was the only person that realized just how crappy FF is.

Re:Thank you! (1)

Asmor (775910) | about 8 years ago | (#16255701)

Nope. Thinking FF sucks is actually a well-documented psychological condition. It's called "sanity."

Modern medicine is close to wiping it out, though, and soon this condition will live on only in the history books.

Tokyo Drift? I was figuring on "Dragon's Lair"! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16254541)

I mean, hasn't Don Bluth made that thing into everything but a musical?

The simple question is, why? (1)

Rockinsockindune (956375) | about 8 years ago | (#16254681)

I would assume that I'm not too far off from others when I say that I don't particularly enjoy these features inserted into the movies. Also, how is the end result of this different from what DVD could do? The technology is better, and more interesting, but for which applications could they be used that truly make the users' experience better?

The PIP is neat, but I for one have never sat all the way through a movie a second time to hear the commentary. This just adds a small box with video content to that. Is there really a demand for this? How does that spell interactive? All this mixing of different streams does is stop the disc from having to seek when you activate a feature, but the net effect is still pulling the person out of the movie, and putting them somewhere else. The other issue is the 'twitch factor' involved in activating these features. If you miss the activation button when it pops up onto the screen, you have to rewind it. You'd probably have to be sitting with the remote in your hand, and have to expect the button to catch it.

Alternatly I don't see a problem with the special features menu present on DVDs. It has a description of the content, that I can choose to watch, not interrupting the movie. I'm sure that the PIP feature could be used nicely in that context, choose scene to watch, choose which part is in PIP box (Scene, or Behind the Scenes).

Re:The simple question is, why? (1)

ColaMan (37550) | about 8 years ago | (#16255153)

The only time I've ever sat through an audio commentary was with 'Goldeneye' and the only reason was that the producers and directors that were doing the commentary, sounded like they had had about 6 beers beforehands, and were genuinely having a good time about it. Poked fun at some girl who won a 'bond girl' contest about 10 years before that movie that gave her a bit part, and was now looking a bit worse for wear now, etc.

But saying all that, I'd accidentally hit the button for the audio commentary track in the first place, and a few ones I checked out after that were pretty dreary, so I've never really bothered that much again.

BluRay (3, Interesting)

SQLz (564901) | about 8 years ago | (#16254723)

Ok, in the past I've bashed BlueRay,and HD DVD. Today I went to the Sony Global Marketing Conference on Sony Pictures lot. BlueRay is damn impressive. I was more impressed with BluRay and the new Bravia line of TVs than I was with the PS3. The picture quality is unbelievable compared to DVD, and on 52 inch 1080p bravias, it was awesome. PS3 wise, they had the offical hardware. There was 4 playable PS3 machines. You could just walk up and play. They were also using PS3s to play BluRay movies on a few TVs, incluing an 82 inch LCD that was playing PS3 trailers. There was a dirt bike game which had some sweet physics, GT HD, an anime looking golf game with litte girls in short skirts, and a WWII era FPS where the nazi's look like zombies. The graphics we decent (not PC quality for sure), the sound quality was amazing.

Re:BluRay (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | about 8 years ago | (#16255015)

ok.. a few things i caught in that rant:

-52in 1080p bravia
-82in LCD

can you say... rich people's toys.. and no i don't mean middle class and up i mean RICH people's toys!

my family is arguably upper middle class and cannot afford that crap, as is about 80% of the american population, and at a projected 1800 bucks a BD player youre looking at the requirement for even more obscene amounts of cash..

I don't think joe sixpack is willing to sell half his organs, his arms, his legs, and farm out his brain to a supercomputing firm for the chance to see blu-ray on an 82 inch lcd tv.

Re:BluRay (1)

radl33t (900691) | about 8 years ago | (#16255277)

Ironically, he won't think twice about spending 4x on an SUV he'll spend .16x the time with. In conclusion, Joe "The Median" Sixpack doesn't have to do anything other then rearrange his already hopeless priorities to acquire this TV.

Re:BluRay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16255341)

The 82inch was just a prototype. The 52 inch is actually affordable. If you were a Sony employee, 3100 for a 52 inch, I think 4500 retail. The difference between BluRay and DVD on an HD TV was like VHS vs DVD.

Re:BluRay (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | about 8 years ago | (#16255515)

and at a projected 1800 bucks a BD player youre looking at the requirement for even more obscene amounts of cash..

You do know that there's going to be a $499 Blu-Ray player coming out in November, right? Word on the street is that it also plays some pretty sweet games.

1080P displays aren't TOO expensive. I got a 42" 1080P LCD for $1499. The 37" was $1199 at the time. Still a good amount of money, but definitely not only for the "RICH".

marketing (1)

forwardhairbrush (714823) | about 8 years ago | (#16254933)

Anyone else get offended by being marketed to this way on Slashdot?

What button do I push to make it not suck? (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | about 8 years ago | (#16254945)

They might address their sagging sales to the fact that instead of releasing good movies, they release titles like "fast and the furious, tokyo drift".

let's see.. direct the platform toward the 27-55 demographic.. market movies for the platform to the 12-22 demographic.. I think i'm seeing their problem here!

Perhaps... (1)

NexFlamma (919608) | about 8 years ago | (#16255393)

"Next to picture quality, interactivity has been touted as one of the key selling points of the next-gen disc formats ... This past Tuesday, Universal Studios released 'Fast and the Furious: Toyko Drift' on HD DVD..."

Maybe, instead of adding fancy user controlled content, they should use that money hire more competent writers, directors and actors, so that we are being sold media based on the quality of the IP contained inside, not how many different angles you can look at Vin Diesel's Orc crushing arms [ugo.com] .

Um, Dragons Lair, Dragons Lair II, etc on DVD.... (1)

THESuperShawn (764971) | about 8 years ago | (#16255419)

I have had Dragons Lair http://www.amazon.com/Dragons-Lair-Don-Bluth/dp/B0 0000INHR [amazon.com] and a few other of the "laserdisc games" on DVD for years now. You can play if on your PC or on your DVD player using your remote control (mine uses the up/down/left/right arrows). Wouldn't this be considered interactive? I mean, if I don't push any buttons, it just sits there.
Plus, the latest Final Destination DVD http://www.amazon.com/Final-Destination-Widescreen -Two-Disc-Special/dp/B000FC2HS6/ref=imdbpov_dvd_2/ 102-6203978-4790560?ie=UTF8 [amazon.com] has the ability to let the viewer select from multiple choices throught the movie that actually change the outcome. For example, if you choose for the characters not not get on the roller coaster in the first place, the movie is less than 20 minutes long. Thats probably a good thing as the movie sucks.

So, how does it work? (1)

Duke Blazingstix (803454) | about 8 years ago | (#16255671)

Of course there are all the obligitory comments above about how commentaries are stupid, and special features are stupid, and interactivity is stupid, but must have missed the thread where people actually discussed how these new features are technically achieved, and I for one would like to know.

I know I've seen some really neat things done in the past that took advantage of the unused capabilities of DVDs, or that used them in new and interesting ways.

  • Men in Black - my favourite commentary, they had something (I forget what they called it) where you could see the sillouette of Jones and Sonnenberg while they did their commentaries, as well as them drawing on the screen, ALA football postgames. The was far-and-above my favourite example of dvd commentary capabilities. After seeing that, I assumed that all movies would use that in the future, but I never saw another that did.
  • X-Men 1 - They had an option where you could watch the movie with the deleted scenes thrown in where they belonged. I could never actually get it working on my DVD player, but it seemed like an excellent idea. I assumed because I could never get it working that they did it the smart way and threw in an alternate "playlist" instead of having the movie on there twice.
  • Final Destination 3 - someone above mentioned that there was some kind of "Choose How They Die" alternate scene ability on that one. That's really cool... reminds me of the ending to Clue, or the "Wayland Smithers" ending to Who Shot Mr. Burns.
  • Back to the Future - they had this thing where if you hit a "suddenly appearing" on-screen button during certain parts of the movie, it would play a PIP of a Michael J. Fox interview. The only unfortunate thing is that it was most definately not a real-time-PIP, and I seem to remember something distinctly "off" about it, but I don't remember what... probably similar to my X-Men problems.
  • Momento - The only reason I mention this one is because they have the whole "Chronolgical Edit" version on the 2-disc set, but they really authored it poorly. I mean, it's neat how they start with the credits, played in reverse... but they left out the ability to fast forward or rewind, so you have to literally sit there for 10 minutes before you actually get to the movie... definately a "what-not-to-do" reference disc.

So getting back to my actual point, are any of these new HD-DVD (and I'm assuming BluRay as well?) features truely new to HD-DVD, or is it just because there's now more room to put them on there?

It sounds like now they can do real-time PIPs (see Back to the Future, above), so that's cool, but is it only one audio stream? Does it blend two audio streams, or is it a one or the other kinda deal?

The Insurance/Damage Calculator (see TFA) sounds like it's the same as the Men in Black visual commentary (ahah! that's what it's called!) and the button overlays. But I admit, it does sound like a really neat application... kinda like watching Burnout. I could see an onscreen bodycount in some classic action films some time in the future.

I'm also extremely curious on the technicalities behind the "There's a pretty neat (but again gimmicky) feature when you can change the paint job / tires of a car in a particular scene." quote from the article, too.

So, anybody know how they do that? Or have any other note-worthy DVDs out there, with unique special features?

So, how does it work?-Ask Dr DVD. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16255745)

Read DVD Demystified [amazon.com] .

How come... (1)

CODiNE (27417) | about 8 years ago | (#16255699)

Seriously this is a decent idea, I know many Slashdotters would call this censorship or something but bare with me.

Release multi-rating DVD's. Mom and the kids can watch the movie at PG-13 if they want... Pastor Bob can get it PG rated and grandpa can opt for the R or unrated version. Hey parents can set the kids TV to block R rated stuff (V-Chip) and then get little Timmy a copy of Pitch Black (To go along with his standard PG-13 Chronicles of Riddick) which he can watch at PG-13 until he's older.

Why not? Starship Troopers was PG-13 until they decided to raise the rating since people were calling it a kids flick. They'll sell twice as many DVD's to those who want to avoid certain language or graphic scenes. Sounds like great business sense to me.

Experimenting is good (1)

Matt McIntyre (1007637) | about 8 years ago | (#16255789)

I trully think its retarded to jump on the bandwagon of "new toy" fanatics. The best use the new high Def DVD's is to improve the picture and sound quality. And yet I say let the retards play with this new toy in stupid ways because something cool just might come out of that interaction. After all we wouldnt have computers the size of a credit card if sombody didnt play with there new toy.

ReadySoft CEO breathes a sigh of relief... (1)

ArghBlarg (79067) | about 8 years ago | (#16255989)

Now they have an excuse to resell Dragon's Lair and Space Ace again! Oh boy.
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