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Videogames Used to Train Terrorists?

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the guessing-its-not-barbie-horse-adventure dept.

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kalpatin writes "Reuters reports that videogames are being used to train terrorists. The title Counter-Strike is apparently being used as a tool to prepare individuals for a mission: blowing up an oil tanker. The ultimate goal is to 'make the strait of Hormuz impassable, the Jomhouri-ye Eslami daily reported. About two-fifths of globally traded oil passes through the channel. The game illustrates a warning by Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who said in June that oil exports in the Gulf region could be seriously endangered if the United States made a wrong move on Iran.'"

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265 comments

Guns used to train terrorist too.... (4, Interesting)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278547)

And yet we focus on video games?

-Rick

Guns don't kill people (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16278601)

dangerous minorities^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hgames do

Re:Guns don't kill people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16279023)

Whoever modded this troll obviously doesn't watch the Family Guy enough...

So what is a "right move on Iran"? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16279707)

vaporize the place?

Video games suck as training. (4, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278777)

All you learn is how to move a mouse/controller.

I think that we should support any terrorist who wants to use a video game as "training". It will make them that much easier to capture.

Re:Video games suck as training. (4, Insightful)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278897)

So true, anyone who thinks that CS will prepare you for accurately shooting a weapon, or pressure under fire, is on crack.

You want to learn to shoot? Spend 8 hours a day in shooting positions snapping in for a week. You want pressure and anxiety? Get arrested in Tijuana.

-Rick

Re:Video games suck as training. (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279353)

If you had bother reading. They train with real guns, but are using video games to train tactics.
Which can make sense.

Nope. (4, Informative)

khasim (1285) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279567)

They train with real guns, but are using video games to train tactics.
Which can make sense.

Nope. They won't learn anything more about tactics than they would reading a book.

To train tactics, you have to practice the tactics with your team. Video game characters all have the same characteristics. People do not. The biggest differences are speed and grace/clumsiness.

And that doesn't even address the issue that most terrorist's "tactics" at the moment are "strap on the bomb, walk to the target and detonate yourself". If you're in a CS-type firefight, you've already fucked up the mission.

Re:Nope. (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280059)

You're right on the fact that all the video game characters in a game like CS:S have the same speed, height, etc. However, if you have a real team on each side of the game, it can indeed help you develop teamwork, teach you what you should be aware of in an urban setting, and how to be aware of things like ammo supply and grenades.

It's not REALISTIC, of course - CS:S is more of a shoot'em'up type game. Perhaps America's Army would be a better represnetation of squad combat. But just the same, I play paintball from time to time and I do feel as though I have an advantage over some of the guys because I've trained with video games like AA and CS:S, and I know where to hide, when to shoot, and all sorts of things combat related.

Re:Guns used to train terrorist too.... (5, Funny)

Skevin (16048) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279269)

Yes, video games have been used to train terrorists for years. Case in point:

Pacman trains potential terrorists to avoid TSA guards in twisty airports, surviving indefinitely by eating crumbs off the floor if you have to (my first time on O'Hare, it may as well have been a maze).

Frogger teaches potential terrorists to hide amongst crowded streets until they are ready to deliver a lethal payload to a densely populated area.

I won't even get started about Elevator Action.

Time Pilot trains potential terrorists to crash your plane into larger aircraft when they're too drunk to shoot straight.

Terrorists use Tetris to learn to lay down acoutic floor tile over hidden trap doors to hide even more games^W training software from authorities.

Centipede trains terrorists to destroy entire trains, one car at a time. The bombing in Spain was performed by a terrorist who had a console cabinet of Centipede in his garage.

Dig Dug provides a methodic exercise for Terrorists to develop complex subterranean networks by which to pump deadly nerve agents into unsuspecting groups. This video game was implicated in the Sarin gas attack in the Japanese subway several years ago.

There are several other known, but classified, examples perpetrated by the terrorist group Ar'Qaida, who have set up several cells masquerading with fronts such as "Chuck E. Cheese" and "Dave and Buster's". Be alert. Be vigilant. The Computer is not your friend.

Re:Guns used to train terrorist too.... (5, Funny)

roseblood (631824) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279801)

You missed the big one.

MS Flight sim to train kamakazie jihadist. We all know how well that worked. "WTF DOOD, THERES NO MOUSE! WHERE IS F6, I NEED THE CHASE PLANE VIEW TO FLY THIS TUB"

Re:Guns used to train terrorist too.... (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279943)

For the love of god, where are my mod points?

Re:Guns used to train terrorist too.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16280265)

Modded Redundant when no other post in the entire thread mentions a flight simulator or irreverantly alludes to Sept 11 2001. Maybe troll or flamebait but Redundant? Wish I had mod points too. Or maybe I get a chance to meta-mod bitchslap that moderator.

Re:Guns used to train terrorist too.... (2, Insightful)

demondawn (840015) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280483)

I think the actual mod in that situation would be -1, "The joke went over your head".

Re:Guns used to train terrorist too.... (1)

roseblood (631824) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280097)

I forgot another important one.

War/Star-craft teaches these terrorists the value of clear cutting forests/crystal formations and strip-mining of ore/vespine gas. When their supplies run out do they come up with "alternative energy" like solar or geothermal? Hell no, they attack their neighbors in order to have a go at clear-cutting and strip-mining their homelands.

Time to ban RTS games!

Re:Guns used to train terrorist too.... (1)

RexRhino (769423) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279541)

Your comparision is not good, as there are plenty of people who want to ban guns AND videogames. For many people, your gun analogy means "video games are like guns... guns should be banned... therefore video games should be banned".

If you want to make a funny comparison, for some easy slashdot karma, you should have compared video games to toilet paper or food and water - items also used by terrorists during training yet are for the most part harmless. Gun evoke hysteria with many in the slashdot crowd.

Re:Guns used to train terrorist too.... (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280119)

1) +Funny gains no karma
2) Gun control is a legitimate concern.

My point was not to be funny, so much as point out the apparent irony. We blame games for violence yet we allow children and unstable people have access to fire arms. Not necessarily tied to Terrorism, but I got kinda tweaked this morning when I heard about yet another school shooting where a high school kid with a troubled past took his father's gun and shot the principal. I can't say for sure, but I would be willing to guess that as a non-military American, you are significantly more likely to get shot by a disgruntled teenager with their parent's gun, than a terrorist who played CS.

But at the same time, the second amendment is there for a reason. That reason may not be Bush, but it will likely be some future dictator who uses Bush's laws to remove even more of our liberties.

-Rick

Re:Guns used to train terrorist too.... (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280547)

Violent video games don't kill people... Guns + Violent video games is what really kills people. Just ask old Jack Thompson... (before the flames start, yes, I was being very sarcastic. Couldn't you tell by my tone?)

We should ban games, guns, TV... (1)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278565)

They are all fantasy, right? And, in theory, could train people to do anything they show. Why the hell are games so put upon? Are we supposed to live in a rounded-corners world?

Re:We should ban games, guns, TV... (1)

Baloo Ursidae (29355) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280221)

Well, if our pretzel-choking, draft-dodging coke-head resident of the white house has to live in a rounded-corners world, apparently the rest of us should, too.

Is this just a counterstrike map? (2, Interesting)

nweaver (113078) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278567)

ITs unclear, but it sounds like its just a cool CounterStrike map.

If so, where can we get it, it sounds like fun!

Re:Is this just a counterstrike map? (2, Funny)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278789)

Congratulations, you've just been added to the terrorist suspect list ;-)

Re:Is this just a counterstrike map? (1)

usrusr (654450) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279769)

yeah, the description of that tanker having exactly two "bomb-spots" did ring a bell.

Re:Is this just a counterstrike map? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16280433)

But there's no CS map in which you can plant two bombs - the terrorists only ever get one bomb. That suggests this is a different game. Also, it apparently took 8 people 3 months to make it - that's a bit much for one map. Perhaps the game has an Arabic name which loosely translates as "Counter Strike", and the Reuters journalist was not aware of an existing game of that name.

AA (4, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278577)

I've heard that America's Army is useful for understanding the American military mindset. Maybe it should be reclassified as a state secret...

Re:AA (1)

BSAtHome (455370) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278979)

Quick solution to all those violent game "problems". Reclassify them all as state secrets!

WTF? (1, Insightful)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278581)

So now I'm a terrorist because I can use a mouse and a keyboard?

Insane bastard writers article
Posts article
Slashdot picks it up
???
Profit?

I swear if someone is training this way they are about as dangerous as your average DnD player with a sharp pencil.

Re:WTF? (3, Funny)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278661)

very true, although I could use something like this to plan a mission I would die immidiately if my gun didn't act exactly like it does in the game, people have better than average AI, I actually die when I get shot once (and a medi-pack couldn't stop the blood and make me ready for action again).
I would also need to be able to find guns lying around...

Other than that it would be exactly like the game and I'd be an ace terrorist.

??? = Advertising. n/t (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278747)

nothing to see here.

-Rick

Re:??? = Advertising. n/t (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280581)

Advertising? Is that anything like adblock? 'cos I've got that....

Re:WTF? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16279117)

So now I'm a terrorist because I can use a mouse and a keyboard?

Considering that this criteria instantly excludes the executive boards at most corporations, maybe it's exactly what they're trying to do.

Re:WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16280109)

I swear if someone is training this way they are about as dangerous as your average DnD player with a sharp pencil.


DnD players with pencils can indeed be quite dangerous. Perhaps that innocuous looking pencil is, infact, a +5 Vorpal Sharp Pencil Avenger.

Why, YES! (5, Interesting)

ludomancer (921940) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278587)

They are. It goes both ways I think: http://www.americasarmy.com/ [americasarmy.com]

Re:Why, YES! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16278707)

The military uses a VR environment with a real rifle with "real" blanks so you actually feel the pull of the trigger, the weight of the gun, and the kick of each shot as you fire.

Claiming that America's Army trains you to be a soldier by pushing a mouse around is like claiming Counterstrike teaches you to be a terrorist by cussing at spawn campers, spraying pornographic tags, leaping around like a bunny on crack, and being teabagged by a 13 year old after he kills you.

Actually.... Re:Why, YES! (1)

Nananine (967931) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279043)

Actually, America's Army IS used for training, specifically as a primer for basic training and getting used to a drill sergeant. I mean, they're not using it to "KILL TERRORISTS" or anything, which would make sense because that would be the worst training sim ever. But as for a training primer, it'd probably work pretty well. Remember Marine Doom? One of the first serious games. It may not have seemed like much, but it was mostly for training soldiers on coordinating squad movements.

Re:Why, YES! (1)

bunions (970377) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279221)

There's also a goodly number of videogames that have been adapted (or 'modded' to use the vulgar street argot) for use by the military. I've seen Doom, Quake2 and (I think) the Americas Army game used in this way. The funniest one was a bureaucracy training unit where your gun was replaced by a wad of papers, and you would go around 'shooting' these papers onto the proper desk and into the correct filing cabinet.

The games do not pretend to teach marksmanship. They generally are used to re-enforce squad tactics, and are apparently quite successful. There's another that is used as training for Iraqi liasons that teaches basic Arabic of some variant, as well as cultural cues and whatnot. So for instance, if you don't remove your hat when you enter a restaurant, your contact is less likely to give you the information or cooperation you want.

Re:Why, YES! (1)

Das Modell (969371) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279715)

I think FPS games can also be used to practise correct movement in a combat situation: moving from cover to cover, peeking around corners, positioning yourself so that you have minimum exposure to enemy fire etc. When you play Counter-Strike (or something similiar) long enough, these things become completely instinctive. Another thing that occured to me is that you have to be careful when you're playing with friendly fire enabled, and eventually you'll learn to identify your target before shooting it to pieces, and resisting the urge to start spraying around when a teammate or hostage is between you and the enemy. Not everyone learns these valuable skills, unfortunately.

Of course, none of this is a substitute for real training.

Re:Why, YES! (1)

cvd6262 (180823) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280083)

They are. It goes both ways I think: http://www.americasarmy.com/ [americasarmy.com]

Yes, but in AA, you can never be the terrorists. Your team always appears in US issue clothing, and the enemies in hoods and masks. Obviously, it can't be used for training terrorists then.

Hope so (5, Funny)

Unc-70 (975866) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278629)

The thought of highly trained terrorists running around shouting 'BOOOOM Headshot' whilst shooting or stabbing randomly at the scenery or team mates, does not fill me with fear.

Re:Hope so (5, Funny)

wired_LAIN (974675) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279001)

CIA agent: Sir, the terrorists seem to be using some sort of code...
Terrorist 1: d00d these guys are camping.
Terrorist 2: fuxing n00bs. use noob stick gogo pwn them.
Terrorist 1: OMG lag!!! they r using som hax. cia clan sux i'm out.
Terrorist 2: *shoots terrorist 1*
Terrorist 1: why u TKing??? fag
Terrorist 2: gg no re

Re:Hope so (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16280527)

Terrorists are using viedo games to learn to:

hop like a bunny 35 feet in the air
run while firing sniper rifles
switch between a sniper rifle and desert eagle at an insanely unrealistic rate
magically walk in the sky
shout "HUUUUUUUUMILIATION"

Jack Thompson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16278693)

Summary: Jack Thompson once again pouring hot grits down your pants.

Available here for free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16278711)

Don't know about Counter-Strike, but check out this free one. :-)

http://www.americasarmy.com/ [americasarmy.com]

Doh!

Not Surprising, and it's already being done (1)

RxScram (948658) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278729)

This is just one video game out of many that has been created to train / recruit / fulfill fantasies of would-be terrorists.

For example, http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003651. php/ [jihadwatch.org] details a game in which you perform terrorist activities against Israel.

Another example is a game called "Night of Bush Capturing". As its name implies, the goal of the game is to hunt down "a character representing" President George W. Bush. There are six levels with names such as "Jihad Beginning," American's Hell," and "Bush Hunter Like a Rat," and traditional jihadist songs play in the background.

That the Iranians are now doing developing a game to do the same is neither surprising nor should it be alarming. It could very well be an entertainment video game that is targetted to a very specific and narrow genre.

Re:Not Surprising, and it's already being done (4, Interesting)

Aim Here (765712) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279765)

For the record, Under Siege (and Under Ash, the other game by the same people) don't condone terrorist actions, focusing instead on attacks on the Israeli IDF, which is illegally occupying several other countries. (Attacking on-duty soldiers is warfare, not terrorism, by most definitions of the word).

In fact, killing civilians ends the game instantly; the game is far MORE sensitive to charges of terrorism than many pro-American so-called anti-terrorist tactical FPSes.

Re:Not Surprising, and it's already being done (1)

roseblood (631824) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279975)

Attacking on uniformed soldiers of nation A is war WHEN YOU ARE A UNIFORMED SOLDER OF NATION B,C,D,E or so on.

Attacking ANYONE when you are not a uniformed member of an armed force of a sovreign nation makes you a criminal (assuming murder/attempted murder is a crime in the place where you do this attacking.)

Attacking any civilian regardless of your status as civilian vs soldier is a crime (again, asumptions about local laws.

So, civilians attack = crime (The Brits thought those colonists were criminals for example, and they were, but they won, so they write the history to look like the good guys..which they may or may not be...that's for a diffrent debate.)

Attack civilians = crime (duh)

Soldiers attack solders = war.

Re:Not Surprising, and it's already being done (5, Insightful)

Aim Here (765712) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280143)

Well that's one way of looking at it. At the risk of godwinning myself, that condemns the US colonists, the French, Yugoslav and Soviet resistance to Nazi occupation and various other good guys to the criminal bin. In any case, resistance of this sort is NOT terrorism - terrorism is force against civilians for political purposes. In fact,the UN, in a general assembly resolution on terrorism, still affirmed the right of peoples to use force to resist racist, colonial and imperialist regimes.

Personally I'm of the opinion that if you are in someone else's country illegally as a member of an occupying army, then it's right, proper and decent of the local population to take potshots at you for any reason they so desire, but this is heading down the road of offtopic flamebait so I'll stop here.

Re:Not Surprising, and it's already being done (1)

roseblood (631824) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280335)

Well that's one way of looking at it. At the risk of godwinning myself, that condemns the US colonists, the French, Yugoslav and Soviet resistance to Nazi occupation and various other good guys to the criminal bin. In any case, resistance of this sort is NOT terrorism - terrorism is force against civilians for political purposes.

I reply:
Sometimes one must partake in a criminal action. When your moral compass points you one way and the enviroment(nation) you live in points another you can stand up for what you think is right (Rosa Parks, French partisans, American revolutionaries, etc.) or you can sit back and watch as people you think of as evil/misguided/wrong go unopposed (typical soldier in the army of WWII Germany, guards of internment camps in the USA for those of Asian descent.)

Being CRIMINAL dosen't automaticly mean being wrong. I was being legalistic not moralistic in the 1st post. Now you see the moralistic side of this issue.

Re:Not Surprising, and it's already being done (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280397)

So it's putting on a uniform that makes all the difference?

Should they be required to march ten abreast and lead with fife and drum?

Seriously, there are civilian targets and there are military targets. Attacking a soldier on duty is pretty clear-cut which it is. The Other Side is always The Bad Guy anyway.

Oh, for the love of...! (1)

ExPacis (973499) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278737)

What now, we have to watch out for bunny-hopping arabs?

Ok, ignoring the important aspect... (2, Insightful)

wonkavader (605434) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278739)

Where can we download a copy of their mission? I wanna try it!

That said, of course, if the US had a copy of their mission, they'd know the plan and how to guard it pretty well.

Re:Ok, ignoring the important aspect... (1)

Ai Olor-Wile (997427) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278949)

The article seems to think that said mission is an inherent part of CS. (The other game mentioned in TFA refers to a game in which the US attacks Iran's nuke supply.) It's phrased to make it look like people who play Counter-Strike are, or are being turned into, terrorists.

Meanwhile, Ten Years Ago... [wikipedia.org] See kids, America's Army didn't do this first.

CounterStrike? (5, Funny)

Xaroth (67516) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278749)

And here I thought that CounterStrike would only train terrorists to lay on the ground, half-dead, shouting "OMG WTF AWP CAMPING FAG!1!1!!". Advanced CounterStrike classes involve running around vandalizing walls with pr0n.

Re:CounterStrike? (2, Funny)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279209)

Advanced CounterStrike classes involve running around vandalizing walls with pr0n.

I used to spray Mr. Goatse with the caption "I fucked you" whenever I'd get a particularly sweet kill.

LK

Re:CounterStrike? (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280311)

No wonder you got "sweet kills"... 13 year olds were sitting in front of their PCs twitching in horror when they seen that.

RTFA at least, someone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16278855)

Good lord, apparently neither the submitter nor the editor (natch) read the article - there's no suggestion that this is actually being used to train anyone, any more than maps involving blowing up something in a middle eastern country are being used to train armies of nacho-eating 15 year-old super troops.

"Counter Strike?" (0, Redundant)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278863)

I'm confused... is this actually the CounterStrike we all know and love, or is it some game created by an Iranian company that happens to share the same name? And if it's the former, are we talking about some kind of mod for it, designed by terrorists, or did some jackass just get the box copy, see the option to play as "terrorists," and call in the press?

Goose v Gander (1)

MrSquishy (916581) | more than 7 years ago | (#16278925)

IAAATT (I, apparently, am a terrorist trainee), so I might not be credible, having played on both sides of Counter-Strike. Are they also trying to say that in addition to training elite terrorists, they are also training some of the best counter-terrorism operatives in the world? Clearly there is no better training than these games. Eh hem, "Simulators". Clearly, the solution to the war on terror is as simple as crying "TEAMS" and auto-assigning everyone.

there's still hope... (1)

captain_cthulhu (996356) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279087)

my God. the bane of gamers has become the USA's last hope... lag.

In other news... Books... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16279127)

Yes, that's right. Books have also been used to train terorrists.

Now, go run off to your Salamander and start protecting yourself.

In other news (2, Funny)

spinkham (56603) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279145)

In a recent report, it was discovered that toilet paper is used by terrorists during training.
Free yourselves from the potential dangers of terrorism by burning all your TP!

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16279799)

Yuck. Paper.

Paper is only used in western countries. Elsewhere they use water to thoroughly WASH. It gets all squeaky clean.

I'm pretty sure a terrorist's ass is cleaner than a GI's ass.

Paper! Yuck. Who came up with THAT idea?

It's propaganda, not training (4, Insightful)

ConfusedSelfHating (1000521) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279179)

It's designed to inflame Muslim passion against the United States and the Western world. The Iranian government in particular wants to distract its population from the failing economy. The radical president of Iran was elected to fix economic woes, but he has been sidetracked by international conflict. It's also meant as a threat: bomb Iran and we will cut off your oil supply. Only in the mind of Jack Thompson do video games train people to become professional killers.

I strongly doubt that the Iranians would not use Iranian special forces to accomplish such a mission and instead use a 15 year old kid who played the game two times. Instead they want the kid to join the Iranian military or just shut up about the poor Iranian economy.

Re:It's propaganda, not training (2, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279841)

It's also meant as a threat: bomb Iran and we will cut off your oil supply.
Attacking Iran is quite possibly the worst mistake the U.S. could make.

Iran wouldn't just bottle up Hormuz, they'd have their extremist buddies throughout the Middle East attacking oil pipelines and refineries. Not to mention they'd start shunting serious money to the insurgents in Iraq & Afghanistan.

Oil prices would spike, violence would escalate, 2 countries would be further destabilized...

There's a reason the U.N. is telling America to pipe down and stop making threats.

Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16279257)

Time to resurrect the term "right wing conspiracy."

Train? (4, Insightful)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279265)

Where in the article does it say the game is used to 'train' terrorists? Where does it mention the word 'terrorists' for that matter?

It's a friggin' game. A lot of US-made games show conflicts in areas in the Middle East. Oooh. Terrorist training!

Re:Train? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16280033)

You're right, it never mentions terrorists. The "Iran = Terrorist" association appears to have been made by the person who submitted the story. It is sad to see the US propaganda machine working so well.

Real Terror (2, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279301)

Videogames might or might not be used to train "terrorists". Until there's actual evidence of an Iranian training videogame, rather than just scary announcements by a controlled Iranian news organization, all we're sure of is that Iran is threatening to block the straits one way or another.

Of course, the US has sent a nuclear aircraft carrier, the Enterprise, to the region, possibly to confront Iran directly [google.com] - the Enterprise as instrumental in "Operation Praying Mantis" [wikipedia.org] , the largest surface naval battle since WWII, between the US and Iran in the Persian Gulf in 1988. So the threats are flying thick and heavy in both directions.

But this is no videogame. The people who will die and get maimed will be real. Everyone has to look away from the screens and at the reality to see that this story is part of the propaganda war between the US and Iran, and recognize our own roles perpetuating and even escalating it.

Not news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16280531)

Doc Ruby -- drama queen

We've had one or more carriers in that region CONTINUOUSLY since 1991. That's right, for more than 15 years there's been a US carrier battle group near the Persian Gulf. We've continously had smaller surface ships in the Persian Gulf (based in Bahrain) for decades.

If we were serious about attacking Iran, there would be SIX carrier battle groups in the region (as there was during Gulf War I), not just one. The fact that the Enterprise (our oldest nuclear carrier, btw, not as capable as our newest) is in the area is not an indication that the US military is preparing an attack.

As for this being the "largest surface naval battle since WWII", oh please, stop the dramatics. It was a piecemeal action where Iran lost a couple frigates, some speedboats, and an offshore rig.

The real story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16279313)

the real story being overlooked here is US dependance on foreign oil. Reduce that, and any threats against trade routes become less and less impacting.

US proud to announce another step against terror.. (4, Funny)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279371)

Gentlemen, it's time we declared a war on food.

For far too long, food has been aiding and abeting terrorists all over the world. It makes them stronger and healthier, keeping them in a dangerously potent condition. Studies conducted throughout history show that as stockpiles of food decrease, the morale and will of an enemy grows lower. We cannot afford to lose this vital tool in the war for freedom.

I hereby ask all Americans to voluntarily discard any food they are in possession of before it falls into the hands of the terrorists. Food has betrayed us by helping our enemies, and we can show no quarter. Remember, if it's not with us, it's with the terrorists.

Re:US proud to announce another step against terro (1)

vittal (52825) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280005)

Indeed. In fact, food kills more Americans than terrorists:

Report on Injuries in America, 2003 (http://www.nsc.org/library/report_injury_usa.htm)
Leading Causes of Unintentional Injury Deaths United States, 2003

Motor Vehicle 44,800
Falls 16,200
Poisoning 13,900
Choking 4,300
Drowning 2,900
Fires, flames, and smoke 2,600
Suffocation 1,200

I'm not sure if fast food was counted in the poisoning death toll, but I'm pretty sure the majority of choking would be on food :)

Re:US proud to announce another step against terro (1)

Stealth Potato (619366) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280351)

Forget choking! All you have to do is count "McDonald's" as "food", and then look at heart disease statistics... :-P

Piggybacking (1)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279409)

Could it be that part of the motivation behind this article is the "murder simulator" argument some of the anti-gaming pundits have been trolling around since the Columbine incident? Maybe they're hoping to score points with voters by tying the "terrorism" angle in with the recent rash of school shootings to make their position seem more epic than it really is...

Food used to train terrorists!!! (1)

RexRhino (769423) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279447)

I have learned that the preperation and consumption of food based nourishment is an essential part of terrorist training!
I pray the government will legislate against food ASAP! If you aren't against food, you are for terrorism!

So what? (4, Interesting)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279483)

So what?

The US have plenty of "antiterrorist" video games.

The US have plenty of nukular weapons.

Why are the yankees allowed to have video games and not the iranians?

Why are the yankees allowed to have nukular weapons and not the iranians?

Re:So what? (1)

usrusr (654450) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279973)

"as every other people of the world the iranian people have the undeniable right to use violent video games for peaceful purposes!" heh, i want him to say that in some hyped up speech in front of the UN

Re:So what? (1)

danpsmith (922127) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280373)

Because Iranians are terrorists that hate freedom and want nothing more than to destroy everyone and everything. While we are freedom loving, do no wrong Americans who are the only ones who can really be trusted to have nukes and killing machines and video games because obviously we'd never use them maliciously or without being provoked, obviously...

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16280447)

Why are the yankees allowed to have nukular weapons and not the iranians?

Because Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which means no nuclear weapons for the Iranians.

I just OWNED you.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16280549)

The Iranians are not pursuing nuclear weapons. They are processing nuclear fuel for power generation as is their right under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty

violent computer games create criminals (1)

lorg (578246) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279491)

Just another hit piece in the tired old line of 'violent computer games create criminals' articles. Cause we all know that it is a fact that a few hours of GTA will turn you into a car stealing thug that goes on killing sprees, just as Counter Strike teaches you how to blow shit up and take hostages.

But as with most things they only need to find one example to prove their theory while all the other non-violent players fade into the background.

video game training (1)

fi.badkarma (1008457) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279661)

having spent 10 years in the military, training (and deploying) for war, i can attest to the fact that video games (i'm also a big-time gamer) cannot train someone for war. sure, you can get some great ideas from the minds of video game story writers, and movie script writers, but a video game in no way prepares you for rounds buzzing past your face in a 2 hour firefight. but i agree it would make a great map - maybe for BF2

Civilization (1)

polyomninym (648843) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279833)

Violent RTS games are influencing our leaders. These games are teaching our government about invading territories for the sake of resource control. Someone call Jack.

"America's Army" videogame is the same thing (2, Interesting)

billstewart (78916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279839)

So Iran's government likes a video game about blowing up its enemies' stuff. "America's Army" is a piece of American propaganda about killing its enemies and blowing stuff up. Different enemies, but it's still militarist propaganda. And just because it's from your political opponents doesn't make it terrorism - blowing up civilians to cause fear is terrorism, but blowing up oil tankers to stop your enemies from having access to oil is just war. Back during the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, Iraq couldn't ship oil through the Gulf because of Iranian attacks on ships - most of it went by truck down through Jordan.

..

In contrast, Doom is about blowing up monsters while remembering not to use the rocket launcher in enclosed spaces, and you get to use cool weapons like a BFG-9000.

Well at least (1)

xrayspx (13127) | more than 7 years ago | (#16279887)

CTs can use it to train too.

U.S. training terrorists? (1)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280027)

So does this mean that the U.S. Army is training terrorists because they have produced this video game [goarmy.com] ?


(For those thinking to mod me Troll or Flamebait, look up the word sarcasm)

Cheat/Hack? (1)

suprnova (179605) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280133)

I wonder if they play on VAC-Secured servers? Damn haxx0rs!

How many have read the article? (4, Insightful)

east coast (590680) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280193)

Why are people in such an uproar about this acting as if Iranians can't play Counter Strike? There's a lot of clueless folks commenting on this...

As for a potential cultural aspect of this? I'm sure some Islamic groups make an uproar anytime Muslims are shown as "terrorists" in popular western games. It happens on both sides, just because you only see one side of it doesn't mean that the other side is sitting still.

For God's sake, these are the same people who burn churches and embasseys when a cartoon comes out of their main prophet, do you really think CS missions like Arab Streets simply go by unnoticed in their culture.

The bottom line is that no one is banning a single thing (that takes care of about 20% of the posts I've read so far), no one is doing anything different today than they have in the past and...

VIDEO GAMES STILL SUCK FOR LEARNING HOW TO USE FIREARMS!!

Let's not take this too seriously. There's nothing substantial to see here aside from people who are making this into something that it simply isn't.

I support this all the way... (1)

^_^x (178540) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280195)

They're using Counter Strike to train???
Awesome. I couldn't ask for a better combat simulation... except maybe frogger.
So now we'll have to be on the lookout for terrorists standing hovering in the air with 1" of their feet touching hanging signs, making 100yd headshots with Mac10s, and never using grenades since they only kill in about a 5-10' radius? Or maybe they'll just buy an AWM and shoot it into the side of a mountain our guys are behind, hoping to hit one with the amazing 50' of stone-penetrating .338 Lapua?

Boy, the first time these guys try to apply their "training" to the real world, we're gonna see some world-class comedy!

Video Games != Terroism (1)

boyfaceddog (788041) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280227)

This is just an election year bid to link something the public fears but cannot be dealt with (terroism) with something the public fears and can be dealt with (video games). If Video Games == Terrorism, then if we stop video games we can stop terroism.

Please stop listening to anything anyone says when they are up for election.

Hmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16280273)

How do you say "pwned" in Arabic? :-)

Still... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16280303)

nothing will change

"Counter-Terrorists win"

I hope they are training with CS (2, Interesting)

brennz (715237) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280305)

CS is nothing like real life.

First of all, lets talk about weapons.
M249 SAW, IRL this is the best weapon at the squad level. High cylic rate, accuracy like an M240 but light enough to easily run with, has a bipod. Great for 3-5 round bursts. You could say that an M4/M16 with an M203 attached might be overall more versatile, but still not so great at killing people. In CS, an M249 is the worst weapon you can choose, IRL the best. Don't argue with me on this, I've shot in excess of 10,000 rounds using an M60, and several thousands using both the m16, m4, m249 and M240G (was a machine gunner while active duty).

CS teaches people nothing about trigger pulling, breathing, good shooting form, proper ways to rush, pegging a target, etc. There is no concept of rolling in CS, no idea of the prone position, and the list goes on and on.

CS teaches nothing about operating at the true squad tactics in urban/MOUT operations.

Night vision in CS? lol. The US is so experienced at night ops, we actually want to do operations then.

Tactics? jump in, bunny hop, squat shoot strafe, squat shoot. I'd love to see some fundies try that against the US marines/army. They'll get those 40 virgins alot sooner lol.

Iran should keep in mind, their core competentcy is in terrorism and spouting anti-semetic hogwash, not confronting enemies in a real state vs. state conflict on the battlefield. It isn't like Israel is ready to drop the bomb on them already.

What next? Dune 2? (1)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280331)

To prepare for the next desert storm?

what? (1)

Bizzeh (851225) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280379)

a controlled situation, with no chance of anything unexpected, that has spessific set rules, is used to trail for real life, uncontrolled chaos situation where there are practicaly no rules.

i was wondering what they were gonna blame terrorism on next, and i was also wondering what they were gonna use to say "video games are bad" next.

What would Jack Thompson do? (1)

Kodros (1008471) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280439)

Somewhere in Miami, he is starting his defense plan for the terrorists. In the end, Take Two will still somehow get sued.

This helps Iran? How? (1)

jonadab (583620) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280443)

> The game illustrates a warning by Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei,
> who said in June that oil exports in the Gulf region could be seriously endangered
> if the United States made a wrong move on Iran

Eh. Maybe he intended that as a threat, maybe not. Either way, the best way to deal with it is to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it's not a threat. Such an action would only *harm* Iran (as well as some other nations that also ship oil and stuff through there) and would gain them nothing, and it would harm Iran far more than it would harm the US. If I were developing the official US position on his statement, my interpretation would be that he apparently believes the US might itself do something to endanger oil exports (e.g., by using more domestic oil and importing less), and that the Iranian government would interpret such an action as a "wrong move". That would be a much more sensible and coherent position than the one the article seems to imply he is taking.

As a terrorist threat, disrupting the Strait of Hormuz wouldn't even be scary, except to a handful of Arab nations. If a threat of terrorism was what he intended, wouldn't he at least have threatened the Suez? That would at least worry Europe, economically speaking, and would be more worrisome to the US than threatening Persian Gulf shipping.

Not that there wouldn't be an impact at all. I mean sure, the price of oil would go up a bit, for a few months. But it would be no worse than they could accomplish by just reducing their oil production and selling less (or none), if they were willing to do so. Gas would probably go up again, but we'd live through it. Iran's economy would be in much more dire straits (no pun intended).

Counter-Strike?! (2, Insightful)

Guysmiley777 (880063) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280467)

Soooo, we can expect terrorists to be trying to snipe while doing a crouching bunny-hop? I guess it will at least make them easier to spot...

I'd think a better "training" tool would be a Rainbow Six/Rogue Spear type game, where the object is to succeed without the enemy getting a shot off.

This is total FUD BS. Oh noes! Teh terrorists are using verbal speech to perfect their terrorist tactics!!! Must ban verbal speech!!!1!

Oh thats easy then... (1)

BobSixtyFour (967533) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280481)

All we need to do is spam fog grenades until they get 0 fps.

Not to mention we have the aim hacks, wall hacks, and the no clipping cheats.

How did this transition from terrorism to Iran? (4, Insightful)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 7 years ago | (#16280533)

Yes, it's well known that Iran wants to close the Strait of Hormuz as a wartime retalliation to a preemptive US attack. I'm quite sure they're training for this now. However, we're talking about a mission of the Iranian national army, not some plain-clothed terrorists. And you can believe me, the government of Iran has much better resources for simulation and training than Counterstrike.

As for terrorist groups, the tactical mission of closing the Strait of Hormuz is completely out of reach, and even if it weren't, how's Counterstrike going to help them plan? I imagine that sea-borne terrorists would use light boats or diving gear and place improvised mines into the narrow shipping lanes. So how do you propose they use Counterstrike to plan their mission?

Right, you have no idea. That's because this story, like many others, gets written before anybody thinks about it. This is written simply because it fits the convenient script according to which "They're evil and they're plotting" - which is scare tactic that's supposed to make it easier for us to abandon our freedoms and turn them over to the government.

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