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Whaddya want from a conference?

Hemos posted more than 14 years ago | from the why-do-we-go dept.

News 86

I've been corresponding with a gentleman recently about the various US-Linux conferences -(thebazaar, LinuxWorld, Atlanta Linux Showcase, and LinuxExpo)-what goes on? What do people want to do there? I'd like to open the discussion floor up to this-click below for more details.So, we've been talking about what types of booths there are, what sessions there are, and what Birds-of-a-Feather sessions there are, and how often the show doesn't do what you want. That begs the question of what people are looking for? What do you want from a show?

And in the way of plugs, ALS is currently seeking sponsers for a huge LUG party down there, as well as for the speakers. So, if you are willing to contribute, or your company is, please step forward and help out. LinuxWorld has also exhibit-only badges can be registered for from their web site, for the Feb. NYC show. Update: 09/14 12:01 by H : Natalie Vercauteren from LinuxWorld asks to e-mail her with BOF proposals, if you want anything in particular at LinuxWorld NYC.

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86 comments

Re:Pacific Northwest show? (1)

llywrch (9023) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683331)

>Anyhow, when will there be a Linux show in the Pacific Northwest?

Actually, PLUG in Portland, OR tried to start one this spring. Unfortunately a certain large corporation decided that the date picked would be a great date for LinuxWorld. :-( One reason you didn't hear much about it was that the people responsible were afraid that if they publicized it too early, another large corporation in Redmond would have a competing show at the same time.

Since I haven't been to any PLUG meetings lately, I don't know if the movers for this show will try again. We can hope.


Geoff

Re:Dress Code? (1)

chris (1044) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683332)

Wear jeans and a t-shirt and you won't stand out. Wear a suit and you will. If you're really trying to look professional, Business Casual.

Chris
--
3rd Annual Atlanta Linux Showcase [linuxshowcase.org]

Moderate Molly's post up to 3: interesting plez :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683333)

I am a hard core Linux user and I think freeBSD should be included on the bandwagon, big time. http://www.best.com/~paladin/life -- perpetually under construction. (I told ya I'm hard core Linux)

Re:Presentation Notes for all! (1)

Bazz (19471) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683334)

I agree. Presentation Notes can sometimes make up for being unable to attend a conference due to client commitments or cost.

As a follow-up, if you are unable to attend a conference that you are truly interested in attending, contact the organizers. Most of them would be happy to ship (or sell) you a CD of the conference proceedings. I've tried this and have had about 70%-75% success.

Actually he's right on the smelly thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683335)

The main reason why I don't go to the local Linux User Group meetings, because almost everyone there is fat and unshaved, they don't shower, and therefore reek, and they meet in one of the member's business office, which honestly, smells like urine and stale cigarettes to me, but no one else seems to mind. Sad, but true... And this isn't flamebait, just a helpful mention to those who are afflicted with antishowerism

Re:Presentation Notes for all! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683336)

I've tried this myself and also have the same amount of success as you have had. Why is the remaining 25% so selfish? From another standpoint, having these notes freely available is great marketing not just for the shows but for the speakers themselves. Or, maybe these holdouts don't want everyone to know how bad they are, so they can get free admission, free travel, and not just free beer at these shows.

Dear Santa: While ya making ya list... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683337)

Please grant my wishes for:
1) An entire event based around the ethics of licensing in the Linux software development community.
A) A lecture by bona fide credible legal authority, in layman's words, on the practical difference between the GPL, LGPL, QPL, MPL, etc.

B) A history lesson to all newcoming Linux users about the importance of the L/GPL in bringing Linux to the position it is now, and in protecting its most bright future.
C) A panel openly discussing the danger of pseudo open source licenses, including the inevitable legal conflict between them and the GPL when these software are attempted to be included in Linux distributions.

2) A showcase for user friendly applications, would be nice.
A) I would love to see someone stand up and do a speech about the perfect integration of Linux's power, flexibility and scalability, with user friendly "Front End" software that can be optionally layered on top for Suzy Office Worker's using pleasure.

B) Let's see a random Joe Schmoe or Jane Doe come in, sit down, and use a group of Linux boxes and rate their ease of use and use that as a from-the-streets rating of Linux's progress. No scripts. No choreographing. Just bring in a random stranger totally unfamiliar with Linux and let them try it out in front of the whole crowd and the press and everyone.

3) I want to see workshops on how to set up educational programs in schools.
A) I wanna see workshops on using Linux to get kids up to speed with system administration

B) Database programming
C) C/PERL/etc. programming
Has anyone seen the projected costs of doing this under a Linux environment, versus Windows? Educators could save some serious bucks and set up a whole school district in no time, all it would cost is the computer systems themselves. I'd like to do this myself but ... how? (And I'm a real poor teacher myself..hehe)

4) Let's see a Desktop shootout!!! I wanna see who has the absolutely deffest setup for a Linux machine as a desktop!
A) Let's have one for Games;

B) Multimedia (video capture, mp3 making, CD burning, mod & midi composition);
C) Word Processing (remember, the desktop needs to look funky but also actually be functional :);
D) And let's rate 'em on stuff like user friendliness (like who has the simplest setup for getting oneself launched into a Kingpin match? :)
BTW, my box would make top billing in all categories. :-)

5) What about an installfest or two?

6) When y'all comin' to LA?

By the way: I hate Canada. Those guys have "the first permanent facility devoted entirely to the growth, awareness and development of Linux" up in Toronto (http://centre.linux.ca/). I wish we had one in Los Angeles so I could go and help people install Linux and stuff. I would be in heaven :-)

BTW check my little beta site over at http://www.best.com/~paladin/life

Catch ya later.....thanks Santa :-)

Re:Free stuff (1)

Caseman (91349) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683338)

I'll agree that free stuff is really cool, but I throw half of it away anyhow once I get home. I would have to say that the highlight of the last show I attended (Linuxworld San Jose) was meeting Linus T. face to face and watching R. Stallman boogey to techno music whilst drinking free beer ala /. I'm sure I'll loose all those free pens long before that image slides from memory...

Make it like the Inprise/Borland Conference (1)

deesvito (29835) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683339)

I think a Linux conference should be like the Inprise/Borland Conference, more focused to the technical aspects than the marketing mumbo-jumbo. I think it is vital that Linux doesn't lose the technical stuff amid all this media frenzy. By all means let them pamper you, but don't give into going to all-marketing and no-techstuff events.

Basically what they do is that they have different people from different consulting firms/book authors give talks that are very technically oriented... From 7:30AM-10pm (with an hour for lunch) it's so chock-full of technical sessions about specific applications of the technology (in this case would be all kinds of Linux technologies), and there is one or two specific "expositor days" specifically for people to actually go to the booths on the floor (which are available all the time anyway).

At the end they give you a CD with all the papers/source code for all the sessions in all the tracks, to make up for the ones you missed (on the Inprise conference, there are so many sessions you can't possibly do them all).

I learned more on the Borland conferences than I ever learned at school or enterprise courses, and I'd like to see Linux sessions like that.

Imagine the "conference tracks" for a minute, along with the sessions you could write:

  • System Administration (large volume sendmail, nntp, management of huge networks, etc)
  • System Security
  • Programming - General (full tutorials on make, autoconf and things like that)
  • Programming - Languages (C, C++, Python, Java, LISP, etc)
  • Programming - Toolkits & Libs (GTK/Gnome, QT, lesstif, etc)
  • Using Linux for Business (Business Applications)
  • Web Authoring (Http, perl, PHP, etc)

Wouldn't you like to attend something like this? Knowing that all the free stuff is still there and you can go see it now (forgoing your session) or wait until Wednesday?

I know many conferences have technical sessions, but the way the Borland conferences emphasize going to the sessions instead of getting bugged by pushy salespeople all day makes you learn a lot more (and the AMOUNT of sessions they have! God!).

Of course, there's also a party every night, so don't even think about sleeping. :-)

Just my 2c

Re: More centrally located conferences (1)

XTaran (70498) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683340)

Well, actually we have our own Linux fairs (e.g. the annual LinuxTag [linuxtag.org] ) and because of distances in Europe not being as big as in the US, it's ways easier than you thought. :-)

I like especially the lectures about actual subjects which are held on every LinuxTag. They are splitted into subjects for beginners, users and developers. It's also nice to see your favourite OS running on all that exotic hardware and to meet a lot of more or less well known people.

But the most important thing is to get new t-shirts [userfriendly.org] ... ;-)

Oh, and btw: There is no entry fee at all at LinuxTag... :-)

Re:From a Conference Organizer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683341)

#1 Every *CON that I've ever been to charged $50 to each and EVERY person who entered. Most computer shows give attendees free show floor passes. #2 Advertising costs, CONs have very speific word of mouth followings that bring lots of people for nothing. #3 Network access is very expensive for shows that provide it #4 Most (esp. Linux) computer shows arn't subsidized by any membership dues. #5 AV hardware (and computer HW) is expensive to own or rent. #6 Most computer shows are held in high-rent areas. The Softbanks (Comdex/Interop) are getting rich on this. Most shows do slightly better then break even.

Re:I want to be shot at by CmdrTaco! (1)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683342)

Not found on this server!

No more I can't spell the name any better than when I first heard it.com?

D

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I just want a show I can afford to go to ... (1)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683343)

which pretty much means one here in Los Angeles.

I hate to admit it, but I'm really cheap when it comes to travel :-(.

D

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Re:Dress Code? (1)

bsorensen (7044) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683344)

There's no required dress code - there will be more people in tshirts and jeans than ties, however. Typically, if you're just going for the fun, a tshirt is fine. If you plan to do business dealings, wear business casual - khakis and a polo. If you're passing out resumes, wear a suit.

Bring a jacket - it gets chilly in Atlanta in October.

--
Blake Sorensen
Registration Coordinator,
1999 Atlanta Linux Showcase

A wider variety of topics (2)

bigdawg (16158) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683345)

I've attended a number of technical conferences in the past. One of the most valuable conference experiences that I have had have been the two world wide GIS conferences put on by ESRI (the makers of a proprietary GIS).

These shows provide a wide variety of experiences. They typically run a week with short opening and closing days for to allow for travel etc. The conference revolves around a huge vendor show with all of the typical stuff (freebies/free food/booze/marketing blah blah blah). An added bonus is the location (San Diego) which offers a number of other activities to keep you interested.

The three most valuable parts of the show are:
1) the attendees ability to take short (2-3 hour) training sessions that are streamed for different levels of technical ability (manager/new user/guru). These sessions are held throughout the week and their is a lot of duplication for the popular sessions so that you can organize your schedule to see them all.
2) ability to meet directly with the developers/architects of the software to discuss problems face to face as well as getting the inside scoop on the future development direction of the software. Their is a "Dr.'s Office" where attendees can meet with support people and bring their own data/system to work through problems....very cool.
3) meet with your peers and have a beer....the full emersion into the world of the technology is something that few of us get to do all the time.

Linux conferences can be structured in a similar fashion. Offering more of a variety to more people. Unlike others I want more substance and more options rather than glitz and glam.

Re:good shows (2)

chris (1044) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683346)

Well, ALS has all of that.
www.linuxhshowcase.org [linuxshowcase.org]

Three nights of BOFs

65+ Vendors who know this is a technical audience

The largest Technical conference track

WIPs, and an introduction to Linux for people migrating from windows

Chris
(Yes, i'm one of the people running the thing)
--
3rd Annual Atlanta Linux Showcase [linuxshowcase.org]

European Linux Conferences (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683347)

Just that. Rich.

Connecticut is also a stste in the Union. (1)

Rares Marian (83629) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683348)

We need some positive reinforcement or something like that.

Response from an ALS Organizer (4)

bsorensen (7044) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683349)

Reading through the comments, there's a lot of good info and suggestions out there. I especially like the idea of setting up the vendor meetings to ask 'What do you want?'. It's possibly too late to set that up for this year's ALS, but we can probably find space for any vendors who want to do that.

Reading the other comments:
To lots of people - sorry we can't help you with having a Linux show 'near where you live'. We're the Atlanta User's group putting this on. We may move it next year.

Lots of people want to put names to faces - ALS is holding our annual fundraiser dinner as an 'Old Farts' roundtable with folks like Peter Salus, Maddog, and some of the others who've been part of the community forever.

Lower prices: ALS is a not-for-profit show - our proceeds are donated to community groups, but we have to have proceeds to do this. We make our prices as low as we can and still afford the Conference Hall and putting up speakers. Tell your favorite Linux company to buy sponsorships.

Non-Profit booths: We give out as many as we can and still pay for the Show Floor. We also offer discounts for educational or community groups. We are hosting or discounting the following groups this year:
Debian
FSF/Gnome
Linux.com
Linux International
LinuxNewbie.org
Linux Professional Institue
Linux Today
NetBSD
Slashdot/Freshmeat
Stampede
Time City Project
x.org
Linux Fund

BOFs: Lots of people want good BOFs - we have rooms set aside during the entire conference for anyone who wants to reserve one for a topic. Email me if you want to see a particular BOF added to the list. You don't need to be willing to get up and lecture - just let me know what topics you want to see.

Technical Talks: With USENIX's help, we are trying to become a more technical show - we have several in-depth sessions this year. Check out the web page for info (www.linuxshowcase.org/conference/).
Examples:
-GTK programming for the Blind
-Phone Based Email
-Examination of the Pros/Cons of various distributions
-Optimizing Linux Device Drivers
-Mastering the GIMP
-The Secure Filesystem

We at ALS want to be a community focused technical show. We need feedback like this forum to enable us to do that - please contact me if you want to discuss any of these points further.

--
Blake Sorensen
Registration Coordinator
1999 Atlanta Linux Showcase


Contact American Singles (1)

georgeha (43752) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683350)

Someone needs to tell all those lonely woman looking for men to go to a Linux con, instead of the Valley. [salon.com]

Or, if you prefer, the Slashdot link. [slashdot.org]

George

All the usuals (1)

Hiro_Protaganist (87503) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683351)

1) Hoping to find some new technique to make my system faster || more stable
2) And, hope over experience of finding a cool "geek girl" (who should also be faster and/or stabler than previous models)

I *really* want to go to ALS this year... (1)

SLOfuse (68448) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683352)

but just can't afford it.
I came last year and brought 6 students
with me. We all had a GREAT time!
The program this year looks even more
outstanding, what with the Usenix
participation and all. I live in
Central US and so attending this one
is a more realistic option than going
to CA or NY. However, I'm not interested
in coming *just* for the free keynotes and
floor show. I want to do the conference
sessions (and tutorials). I really think more
people would come for the conference if it were
more affordable and I think the exhibitors
would see a better return as well. Not that
the free stuff is a bad idea. I just think
the conference prices (not just yours) cut out
too many people like me. I *really* regret
that I cannot come this year.

Re:DENVER!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683353)

here here!!!!!

GET SLOSHED WITH SLASHDOT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683354)

MORE FREE BEER! Basically thats all I ask.

In my Londo voice: (1)

chandoni (28843) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683355)

What do I want?

I'll tell you what I want, Mister Taco.

I want free T-shirts, beer mugs, and stuffed penguins. I want a connection to check my email. I want a free (or up to $10) exhibits-only pass. I want to hang around the FSF booth listening to RMS tell reporters to say GNU/Linux, and playing with the latest versions of GNOME and Enlightenment. I want to go by the /. booth and annoy Rob and Hemos. I want a speech by Linus which is fiery, but dignified; elegant, but strong.

I want it all back the way it once was... at the March Linux World in San Jose.

How about some applications (1)

heroine (1220) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683356)

So far all we see during trade shows is a window manager with maybe a Netscape window. Why not show those quad Xeons doing something besides booting Netscape.

Linux World Needs Student Passes (1)

Uart (29577) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683357)

Its hell registering for this stuff if you don't work for anyone... Meanwhile, Free Stuff is good. And I'm glad this is coming to the Javits Center, now I might actually come...

Re:Honestly? (1)

Uart (29577) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683358)

In response to number four.

I like an Industry feel. Industry is what drives this world, and an Industry IS a community. Industry can advance technology, and make cool stuff. Community is a great thing, but a trade show IS an industry event. Meanwhile, I DO wear a tie monday-friday, but its for school.

Re:I *really* want to go to ALS this year... (1)

bsorensen (7044) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683359)

We had to increase the prices to afford a nicer venue - the one we held it at last year was lousy for holding conferences. We decided that a $25/day increase would be acceptable for decent sized conference rooms without posts in the middle of them.
The price for students is actually better this year - last year it was $100 for 2 days of conferences, this year it's the same price for 3 days.

Remember though, preregistration ends tomorrow...after that the prices do go up since we will be commited on our badgestock amounts and other such items.

--
Blake Sorensen
Registration Coordinator
1999 Atlanta Linux Showcase

Re:More centrally located conferences (1)

parc (25467) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683360)

You know, I'm going to be in Austin that week. I thought about driving out there, but according to MapQuest, it's 529 miles. Nope. Sorry. I can't get out of my previous engagement(a wedding), so I won't make it. The first really close conference, and I can't make it :(.

Re:In a perfect world... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683361)

Having been involved with an ISP trade show, I can tell you that most of the shows revolve around money, mostly the producers desire to make it.

Some of the Linux shows are down to earth, while others are blatently nothing more than gigantic advertisements, but then you drooling masses go and support their profit driven pony shows and they keep on... why, because people care more about free stuff than you do about content.

harrummph...

YOU /. MODERATORS ARE IDIOTS!!! (1)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683362)

how the hell does my obviously satirical post get marked as 0-Flamebait, but a halfway silly one liner about FreeBSD pulls a 2-Funny?

I swear, I get more and more sick of the /. moderators daily. I can't wait until http://semaj.org is finished and there can be a place for these discussions without the shitty /. moderators.

Sadly enough... (0)

Sabalon (1684) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683363)

Alas, there is never enough showering going on at the conference (well...at the hotel) because it there are usually quite a bit of smelly geeks.

Other than that it is a bunch of people trying to out-impress the others and dissing microsoft.

Fun fun fun.

Free stuff (2)

Electric Barbarella (23814) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683364)

it's just that simple. i want free shit.

btw, first post
-Andy Martin

everybody just wants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683365)

free gadgets !!! especially if they have something open source related on them

I'm torn (1)

technos (73414) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683366)

One side of me says: More dart guns, more high power hardware to drool over, more freebies (I WANT A SuSe shirt, damn it. That lizard is cool) and scantily clad she/he-geeks.

On the other hand, a lecture on 'Linux in the enterprise' might be nice, or even one covering 'Linux in embedded and RT microcontrollers'

We might get the vendors(Compaq/Alpha, VA, etc) to give specific attention to enterprise-wide Linux-only solutions. Most *nix guys aren't good salesmen, so when they go back to the office and propose 'Linux' to the PHB, a little constructive prep won't hurt.

Oh, yeah. Did I mention that I want a LOT of freebies?

Pacific Northwest show? (2)

Brian Knotts (855) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683367)

I'd really like to attend some of these shows, but I haven't seen one yet in the Pacific Northwest. I just can't afford to go to NYC or NC, and I doubt my company would want to foot the bill. Still, you never know until you ask, eh?

Anyhow, when will there be a Linux show in the Pacific Northwest? We have lots of computer-related industry here, trees, ocean, mountains...as well as tons of microbreweries. What more could you ask for?

--
Interested in XFMail? New XFMail home page [slappy.org]

More centrally located conferences (2)

parc (25467) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683368)

I would love more centrally located conferences. As a student, I can barely afford a hotel room in another city, much less conference fees and a hotel room AND trip money.

Maybe something in Texas? ;)

I imagine Europeans have this same sort of problem, but a bit bigger since a trans-atlantic ticket is more than a Texas-to-Georgia ticket.

A humble request (1)

rde (17364) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683369)

How about a show outside America? I'd like to suggest Dublin's The Point because
a) I live right beside it.
er...
b) they run their, um, stuff on Linux.

Re:Free stuff (1)

Grue (3391) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683370)

Free stuff is good. I like free stuff.

That and yet another excuse to drink w/ fellow geeks.

Playing networked games is always cool too.

The seminars remind me a bit too much of groupies idolizing rock stars.

Honestly? (2)

kieran (20691) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683371)

1. Free stuff. Let's face it, don't we all?

2. A chance to put names to faces. That means
anything that'll encourage people to meet &
talk to others - a good (see point 1 ;) bar
is always a good start.

3. Decent representation. A booth staffed by
people who can't answer your questions is
really no good.

4. A good atmosphere. A bit more of a community
feel than your average "Industry" conference.
Although those who are used to wearing a tie
may be less bothered by that, of course.

According to Rob... (1)

Amoeba Protozoa (15911) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683372)

I think it is an excuse to get drunk or something (j/k).

Getting people together face-to-face is a great way in this industry to get people out from behind their x-terms and out into the world. Face-to-face communication is great for creativity (no, I have nothing to base that on).

The drinking part acts only as the carrot on the stick.


-AP

Re:everybody just wants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683373)

That's actually the way I got started with linux. By getting a hand-out of openlinux at cebit. I had to permanently borrow someone's businesscard for it, however. They only handed them out to people who could offer one in return.

technical talks (1)

pryzby (11394) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683374)

I would like to see a talk that did more than give a manager-level talk. Maybe I attended the wrong talks, but I have yet to hear a speaker give a "here is how to write an app in ..." talk.

For instance, a talk on how to program in perl-gtk, or generate cools graphics with gimp where the speaker actually did it in the class would be cool.

Since this is open source, if I want to understand HOW it works, I can read the code! :O

I want to see the package used!

Just my thoughts... if I pay hundreds of dollars I want to get something worthwhile.

bring confs to DC!! (0)

heh2k (84254) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683375)

man was i pissed when the linux expo (it was the linux expo, wasn't it?) was moved from DC to new york. i could of gone with a bunch of people i know. it sucked! DC needs the 'guin!

girlies! (1)

heh2k (84254) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683376)

that's right, models! gyrating barely clad chicks between decked out alpha and ppc boxes, a dream come true. or put them in a refridgerated area with some penguins; the pengiuns will be nice and comfy and you can image why i think the girls should be kept in a cold enviroment. :P

As long as we're talking location... (1)

JAZ (13084) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683377)

Why not Dallas? this area is a huge technology area and then I wouldn't have to travel?

If a show does come to dallas I'd be happy to put up a few geeks for a couple of days =] hear that Rob, Free room and board!

Seriously though, the most appealing aspect of a conferecnce for me would be meeting people in the Linux industry.



Re:I'm torn (1)

kieran (20691) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683378)

>On the other hand, a lecture on 'Linux in the enterprise' might be nice,
>or even one covering 'Linux in embedded and RT microcontrollers'

That reminds me of one other wish-item: Lectures/speeches that concentrate on where we'll be in $num years time,
possible future applications for $technology, etc. Let's face it, a glimpse of the future is always kinda motivating;
why else would we watch "Tomorrow's World", read Sci-Fi and so on?

DENVER!!!!!! (1)

MoNsTeR (4403) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683379)

I just want one here in the Mile High City ;)

MoNsTeR

Good BOFs (2)

mattdm (1931) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683380)

I don't know about the second Linux World Conf/Expo, but the first one really failed in the Birds-of-a-Feather sessions. They were all on the same night, in the same room. If done right, this can (and should) be a central part of a conference.

--

The benefits of conferences (1)

Skeezix (14602) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683381)

1.) You can meet developers, sysadmins, businessmen, and the like from all over the world. This extends your connections and enables you to learn from others.

2.) You learn about new products and services being offered by hundreds of different companies.
3.) You gain more technical knowledge through various seminars and tutorials.

4.) You have the opportunity to ask questions of representatives from companies and development projects that you might not otherwise be able to ask.

5.) You get free stuff.

6.) And overall, you begin to get the larger picture of what's going on in the community. This can be very inspirational...causing mass excitement to build inside you, feeling that when you leave the conference you are ready to take on the world...

--Jamin Philip Gray
jamin@DoLinux.org

In a perfect world... (3)

SLOfuse (68448) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683382)

What I want is a conference that doesn't cost
a fortune to get to, stay at, attend, or even
exhibit at. The prices have gone up up up.
Some of these (now wealthy) sponsors *could*
help pay (more of) the show's costs - then the
shows could be run as non-profit (yeah, right).
For me, the ideal show would be held in
Kansas City, Missouri, cost $25 a day for
the conference, $100 per full-day tutorial,
10x10 exhibitor's booth space would be $1000,
and oh yeah, would feature keynotes by
Linus Torvalds and "Maddog" Hall. I guarantee
any size hall would be packed!

More & cozier! (1)

78spb89 (78849) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683383)

The topic says it. Lets see more of these Linux meetings, on a scale that perhaps is not so *huge* that you can't get anything done for the utter MASSES of people. Its like state fairs versus county fairs. Sure you can find a few rides at the state fair that you can't at the county fair, but other than those few, who wants to stand in lines for the other rides, when they are much more accessable at the county fairs. You follow me?

Re:Booth babes, booze, and freebies! (2)

Molly (32733) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683384)

What about FreeBSD?

The Linux Expo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683385)

The Linux Expo is the only real event. I've been to the past 4, and 3 of them were very nice. Maybe next year, the Expo won't held at such an inhospitable location again.

Re:bring confs to DC!! (LinuxWorld) (1)

PMcGovern (13300) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683386)

Actually it was LinuxWorld that moved from DC to New York. (Linux Expo is a different show)

ACM and Linux (1)

knugfjunk (78084) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683387)

All these excellent Linux conferences! Any suggestions as to which would be appropriate (some technical aspect, some reasonable price, etc) for a small to medium sized local student ACM chapter in the Northeast US?

Re:Free + tweaked 'latest' with crypo in (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683388)

Thats what happens at my linux group. Required, because MS gave out 2K like candy for our managers to take home and try - reminds me of the local dope peddler..

BOFs at LinuxWorld (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683389)

For our New York show in February, the BOFs will be held on a couple of different nights. We will have rooms assigned to the various BOFs. If anyone is interested in leading one, please email me. - Natalie Vercauteren (LinuxWorld Conference Director) natalie_vercauteren@idg.com

Conference: Reflections|Projections 1999 (1)

vkulkarn (4494) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683390)

Quick Reference:
Reflections|Projections 1999: Conference Page [uiuc.edu]
Corporate Registration for Job Fair and/or Sponsorship [uiuc.edu]
MechMania V: Vengaence Of The Slain: Programming Contest [uiuc.edu]

Basic information about Reflections|Projections 1999:

This year from Friday, October 8 to Sunday, October 10, ACM will be holding its fifth annual Midwest student computing conference, Reflections | Projections. Reflections | Projections offers students from all over the Midwest a chance to interact with computer industry professionals and peek into the future of computing. In past years such noteworthy speakers as Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple, and Bjarne Stroustrup, inventor of C++, have spoken at the conference.

This year conference once again is hosting many great speakers. This year's keynote speaker is Larry Tesler. Tesler is the founder of Stagecast Software, which makes interactive simulation software. Previously, he was the Vice President of Internet Platforms at Apple Computer. At Apple he made significant contributions to the OpenDoc Object Model, Applescript, the Newton, along with a number of other major products. Previous to his time at Apple, Tesler was a researcher at the Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center, where he and his fellow researchers set the stage for a large amount of what is now modern computing. In addition to Tesler's keynote address, several other extremely noteworthy speakers will be attending the conference. Included amongst these speakers are Michael Abrash, one of the original authors of Quake, Eric Allman, inventor of Sendmail, Theo de Raadt, head of the OpenBSD project, Guido van Rossum, creator of the Python programming language, Astro Tellar, Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning expert and author of the novel "Exegesis", and many, many more. In addition to the talks, there shall be several panels, a programming contest, and a very large job fair to be held on Friday the 8th in the Illini Union.

For complete information about the conference, take a look at http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/conference. Online registration is available there. The registration fee is $15, which includes entrance to all conference events, meals for the weekend, inclusion of your resume in the conference resume book, and a t-shirt.

Basic information about MechMania V: Vengaence Of The Slain:

Sponsored by Trilogy [trilogy.com] .

One of the first major battles of, what are now called, the clan wars occurred within a small star system located in neutral space between clan territories. Each of the 16 Clans were separated by a highly toxic nebula, and located near the center was a rouge star system. The star of this system was highly unstable and the shield technology of the day could not stop the harmful array of cosmic rays. In such harmful conditions space battles had to be short and few. But within this star system was a lone forest planet?

Immediately each clan staked out territorities on this planet starting a new type of warfare, MechWar. The war continued for several years until a new breed of Mech was introduced. Warriors were adapted with major amounts of cerebral implants, leaving them more machine then human.

After over 50 years of war, all remaining members of the clans were driven out of known space. Most areas of clan space were terraformed and colonized within five years, leaving large amounts of scrap metal piling up in the nebula. One company decided they could make a killing by fitting ships with heavy shielding and collecting the scrap metal for recycling.

Everything was perfectly fine till they uncovered a warehouse buried under the sand on that small war-stricken planet. Still operating on backup power a signal was broadcast on all bands announcing the intrusion into the clan warehouse. None of the salvage team was ever seen again.

For more information see: http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/mechmania/ [uiuc.edu]

Why do I go? (2)

Analog (564) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683391)

Lessee, at the first LinuxWorld Expo I talked to a gentleman who confided that even though his company made a database product that was 'Red Hat Certified', all the development was done on Debian boxes; at the latest I spoke at length with a gentleman from Motorola about their current experiments with moving to RT Linux for their embedded products (availabitilty of source is something they're used to paying 10's or 100's of thousands for); I got to try to convince an engineer from SGI that Debian wasn't a flash in the pan distro, and would be around for awhile. I find business fascinating, and it's great to be able to talk to these people and find out what's going on behind the scenes.

Perhaps best of all, though, is that I got to meet many of the people whose names I'm always seeing around the net. Can't beat it with a stick.

Booth babes, booze, and freebies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683392)

1: Nothing makes me remeber your booth more than a gorgeous off duty Hooters waitress wearing your logo on her tube top. Just look at E3! What got the most online coverage this year? The booth babes! And it didn't matter, because the booth babes were all wearing corporate logo clothes, or standing with a corporate mascot, or just posing under a big sign! WE WANT BOOTH BABES!!! 2: Free booze! Long a staple of E3, free booze has the added affect of getting people so drunk that after they finish attempting to grope the booth babes, they pass out and forget the show. Ok, so maybe free booze could be a bad idea.... 3: FREEBIES!!! Give me hats, tshirts, magazines, books, coasters, or my personal favorite, full versions!!! Freebies are the real reason guys with no immediate business interest go to the conferences! We want free stuff! The truth is, the *nix world needs some big, flashy, Vegas-knockoff insanity to make it look fun to all the people who think that *nix is just for stuffy system admins! Make it wild next time!!! supabeast!, anon at work

Dress Code? (1)

Anti-Sean (21722) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683393)

I think I may have convinced my company to send me to the Atlanta Linux Showcase this October. I've never attended a conference before, and I have no idea what to wear. Not that I spend too much time worrying about my appearance or anything, but I'd hate to show up in jeans and a t-shirt if everyone else is in a suit and tie, or vice versa. It's hard enough for me to be in a crowd of people - sticking out like a sore thumb would make me feel even more uncomfortable. Any advice?

Re:A humble request (1)

_Gnubie_ (14485) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683394)

The Point sounds good to me :) ooohh and free beer - sod the badges and t-shirts. Free beer will attract thousands, even if they've never heard of Linux. So there you go, the organisers are happy if the hall is full and the ppl going are happy because of all the beer^H^H^H^H^H linux related stuff.

I think I speak for everyone here... (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683395)

when I say that we want more FREE T-Shirts!

(That's free as in beer, btw.)

Or cheap shirts at least. Hope you guys bring the new Slashdot shirts to ALS.

Midwest. (1)

Signal 11 (7608) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683396)

I'd like to see a show in the midwest. The closest thing we've had to a conference is rootshell and 2600 meetings.

--

AMEN BRUTHA!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683397)

Girls at the kryotech booth!!! YEAH!!! hehe! The linux world needs to campaign by showing Britney Spears massaging the penguin in his natural environment...

good shows (1)

pme (85978) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683398)

What I really want from shows are good, inexpesnive local shows that include:

BOFS
when people get together things happen

Vendors
with knowledgable folks on the floor not sales 'droids

Solid Presenters
there are a *lot* of folks out there working on cool stuff, the more it gets shared the better off all of us are

Quicky/WIP sessions
some people aren't comfortable doing a big presentation, a series of 10-20 minute presentations about projects in process are a cool way to do things

LUG participation
install fests, local interest stuff, and an info booth

SysAdmin's View... (or, what I'd really like) (4)

trims (10010) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683399)

This is admittedly going to be biased, because I'm a full-time SysAdmin and Network Architect, which is probably a bit different than the typical /.-er.

  1. Sessions where we can give vendors feedback on their products. I'd love it if most of the vendors (or say, a small group of 3-4 vendors who sell very similar things) had a 1 hour or so session where they asked the audience: What do You Want? What are you missing from our current lineups? Where should we go? Doing this in a room with 50-60 other like-minded individuals is so much more productive than talking to one of the people at some booth 1-to-1. To use a marketing buzzword, you get alot more "synergy".
  2. Vendors who aren't solely concentrated on selling Linux. I know it's nice to have IBM there, but the people in most of the booths tend to be extremely focused on Linux. While this is nice, few of us run Linux-only shops. I want to know how to run X server/OS with Y server/OS with Z application. People who I can talk about heterogeneous offerings from the same company are really needed.
  3. Networking products that run under Linux. I know this isn't something the show organizers can do, but dammit, I want all those network management tools to work on Linux, too. It's taking the tools vendors WAYYYYY too long to port.
  4. Real BOFs. The BOFs are starting to become lecture-like. A step in the right direction is to do away with the "designated speaker" thing at a BOF; make the emphasis the topic, and not the person who's going to be leading it.
  5. PUT THE CONFERENCES IN PLACES THAT MAKE SENSE, AT TIMES THAT MAKE SENSE. No one wants to go to New Orleans in mid-July (hello, USENIX?) Or Seattle in mid-March. Yet idiots schedule conferences then. Tip: put conferences in the South from Oct-April, and in the North May-Sept. And please, put them near interesting things. When you have the conference completely across town from anything interesting, it really sucks. Geeks need to get out, too, and having to taxi all over the place is a royal pain.
  6. Try to encourage people to have SMALLER post-conference thingys. The RedHat parties were fun, but seriously, I have a lot more fun with 2 dozen people than 200. And I get alot more out of them.

Oh, and as much as everyone likes the bikini girls holding the new Server X2000, please don't. Eye candy is fine, but don't insult my intelligence, and don't pander to me. Also, it's a bit like throwing a glass of water in the face of a man dying of dehydration. :-)

-Erik

Re:SysAdmin's View... (or, what I'd really like) (1)

edko (42913) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683400)

About the times they schedule conferences...

Wouldn't that involve factors such as discounted
rates from the convention centers (for being
in such a lousy time frame :-) or what's left
over after everybody grabs other time frames?

Linux National (World..?) Tour.. (1)

Kitsune Sushi (87987) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683401)

Well, the first thing that comes to mind is that perhaps it would be nice to have a conference that traveled around the country (world? nah, be better to stick to the same nation for ease of communication purposes). Anyone remember those expos that slowly progressed around the U.S. during the course of two or three months or so? It sure would be nice to only have to travel to a place within the state you live in rather than clear across the country.

The reason for wanting a single expo that ran shows across the nation is two-fold.. the one I just stated and for the simple fact that it would be nice if we knew that we were all getting around the same content, rather than having a few dozen local shows organized by different people, each with a slightly different agenda.

Not only that, but how many of us are actually going to attend all the different expos all over the place at different times in the year, just to "see it all"? I myself can only set aside so much vacation time and I like to spend it visiting girlies I know to be receptive rather than hoping there might be some at the latest Linux expo.

While it would be nice to have several locations in each state, I would be happy with one centralized, hospitable location in each of teh fifty states. That would make it semi-easy on most, as opposed to easy for people who want booths only at a single show and hard for people who want to see them because it's in say, New York, while they live in Texas.

That aside, what I really want is for Dell to set up a booth to explain why their Linux systems cost more on average than their corresponding Windows systems (same hardware, different software), especially since they only use Winmodems (who needs a Linux "desktop" with no modem? if I have to put it in myself, what am I paying these guys for?). They could also explain why their Web site only lets you put MS "Intelli"mice on your Linux systems even though they say they have Logitech stuff available.

A presentation by Gillian Anderson wouldn't be so bad either. To think they originally wanted some dumb blonde with big tits for that role on the X-Files..

you know what would be cool! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683402)

A conference at a place like Cedar Point! Like have a huge amusement park all to ourselves for a couple days! It would be too cool to be standing in line with nothing but Linux users on all sides! And on top of that, Cedar Point is breaking their own highest coaster record next year! That's what I want to see. A conference that is the funnest conference ever! ** Me

3 Things: Price, Price, Price (1)

Indomitus (578) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683403)

and free stuff.
Really though, I get at least one conference invitation a week and I pretty much have to throw them all away because of the $500++ prices involved. I know a lot of geeks make a lot of money but most of us have to travel to and from the conference, plus hotel, rental car or gas, and food. It becomes a hell of an expense to attend something I could get a lot out of and I usually end up not going. One day I'll be able to talk my boss into sending me on the company's dime but not anytime soon I'm afraid.

Re:More centrally located conferences (0)

TeddyR (4176) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683404)



Um... Check out http://www.alug.org/amlc There is a "small" one on the 17th of this month....



https://www.mav.net/teddyr/syousif/ [mav.net]

Re:More centrally located conferences (1)

TeddyR (4176) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683405)



Um... Check out http://www.alug.org/amlc There is a "small" one on the 18th of this month....



https://www.mav.net/teddyr/syousif/ [mav.net]

Re:More centrally located conferences (1)

TeddyR (4176) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683406)

oops... the date is sat 18th...

https://www.mav.net/teddyr/syousif/ [mav.net]

Not just free, but cheap (1)

seer (21011) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683407)

I don't work for a large company that can foot my bill. But I could come up with $100, maybe, to get in and eat. I'll sleep in my VW.

But to go with my free Redhat shirt, I want a $20 copy of 6.0 for SPARC. I want to be able to buy cool stuff for cheaper than I can on the net. Wouldn't that be great?

Also, I would love to have a sermon about why Linux is good for your business. I want to be able to take my boss and have him hear it from someone with a big name that even the only semi-techie would know.

Or, the mostly naked women. Or not.

Re:Sadly enough... (1)

Sabalon (1684) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683408)

flamebait - you sir must have no nostrils. :)

Conference Tracks (1)

Slime (73435) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683409)

Having well designed and implemented conference track sessions are IMHO key to not only a successful conference but to repeat attendees(sp?) And it's not only due to the guest speaker, but you are able to network with other's that have alot of the same issues and questions that you have. When the conference is over, and your working on implementing what you saw, it's not the speaker that's going to help you as much as those that you've met.

Programming tracks, Kernel tracks, Network Admin Track, Corporate track, etc.

The corporate track should be where the "bosses" are all locked in, and all the marketing reps for the different companies, that 6 months ago though linux was treatable with penicillin, are all able to slap each other on the back for being leading, no wait, cutting, hold on!, BLEEDING edge.

Screw the free stuff, if i want something for free, i'll goto a soup kitchen and salvation army! On the otherhand, a well stocked book/clothing/gadget's booth would make a killing!

And yes, I know, it's a sad day when someone actually turns a profit with linux. But Just like Santa Claus I'm sure you'll get over it.


From a Conference Organizer... (2)

farrellj (563) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683410)

of Science Fiction Conferences.

One thing that really gets me is the price of these computer conferences, especially Linux ones. I've help run and/or attend SF cons up and down the East Coast and across Quebec and Ontario. Some of these events bring in guests that charge thousands of dollars for speakers fees, vast amounts of convention space and using up most or all of the rooms at local hotels. We have hospitality suites for all members with either cheap or free beverages both alchoholic and non, munchies, and stuff like hotdogs and pizza pockets. We have up to 5 tracks of simultanious programming and free static displays for local clubs. And more often than not, a wonderful program book.

We have all this, and we don't have mega-corperations buying huge tracks of land...and how much do we charge? Max $50.00. Who is making all the money?!?!?!

ttyl
Farrell McGovern
Co-Chair and founder: CAN-CON SF conference
Have worked on/Gophered at over 50 conferences

Free Booth Space for non profit organizatons (1)

RattRigg (4253) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683411)

I would like to see non-profits/Liux community organizations (as opposed to the folks who actually make money from this) be allowed free booth space and attendance to the show.
I get tired of reading about some of the organizations that have made linux what it is having to beg for sponsership or not attending the shows.

I want to be shot at by CmdrTaco! (1)

Russ Nelson (33911) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683412)

I want to be shot at [russnelson.com] by CmdrTaco!

Heh, we're still waiting in England (1)

Joel Rowbottom (89350) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683413)

It's LinuxExpo [itevents.co.uk] this October in London, so we've yet got to really experience first-hand if the poor among us couldn't travel to the States.

But things I'd like to see? Hmm...

  • Distro people there, and a good debate about the merits of various distributions and packaging methods employed, by the people who set it all up - Patrick Volkerding et al.
  • People like Oracle, IBM, etc. giving away noncommercial freebies of their software to play with - same sort of thing Sun did at their recent DevDays (I was at the London one, we got a big bag full of things to play with, white papers et al).
  • T-shirts. T-shirts are good.
I'm at a Sun ISP seminar tomorrow night and plan to ask them about their Linux involvement, as the main reason we ditched Slowaris was because Linux offered cheaper and better performance. Talking to hardware vendors about their plans for Linux would be a general plus to a show I guess.

...and finish it all off with a competition - the oldest computer to run Linux ;)

Presentation Notes for all! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683414)

I'd like to see the presentation notes made available to everyone on the web (for free, of course). This is not yet the case at any of the Linux Conferences. I attended JavaOne and whether you paid to attend the conference or not the notes were and still are available on the web. I'd like to see the Linux conferences extend this to include tutorials and BOFs. I brought this point up before with respect to the O'Reilly Open Source Conference but apparently Tim not Rob felt this issue important enough for Tim to respond.

Re:you know what would be cool! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1683415)

Hey, being local to the area, I like the idea. Wonder if we could get enough people to get the back just to ourselves.

Imaging waiting in line for the newest and greatest roller coaster and talking in your friendly kernel developers?

Woohoo!

Re:Booth babes, booze, and freebies! (1)

The Cheez-Czar (4124) | more than 14 years ago | (#1683416)

So you want the 3 Free B's
Free Babes
Free Booze
Free-bies

I see a pattern here
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