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Mandriva 2007 Released

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the ia-ora-to-you-too dept.

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moyoto writes, "Mandriva has announced today the immediate availability of Mandriva Linux 2007. This new version includes the latest Gnome 2.16 and KDE 3.5.4, as well as a 3D desktop with both AIGLX and Xgl technologies. You can download Mandriva 2007 in one of the several free versions available with bittorrent, or buy one of the commercial packs. You can easily test the new 3D Desktop with one of the 16 Live/Install CDs, Gnome- or KDE-based, available in more than 70 different languages." The distro features a new theme named Ia Ora ("hello" in French Polynesian).

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Bloated (5, Funny)

millwall (622730) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296017)

This new version includes the latest Gnome 2.16 and KDE 3.5.4, as well as a 3D desktop with both AIGLX and Xgl technologies.

With Mandriva it's probably easier to list what it doesn't include.

Re:Bloated (4, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296065)

But that's the way some of us like it. Why should I have to download and compile some .tar.gz files rather than just opening up the GUI, selecting the packages I want, and install. No need to worry about dependancies or weird compile errors.

Re:Bloated (1)

plantman-the-womb-st (776722) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296455)

There is always things like apt. No need to have it all on the install media.

Re:Bloated (4, Insightful)

ronadams (987516) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296529)

There are always things like install media. No need to require everything be obtained from apt. It's a war of preference.

Re:Bloated (2, Interesting)

Shawn is an Asshole (845769) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297445)

It's a pain in the ass to have to swap multiple CDs during an install. Especially when you get to #4 and the drive doesn't want to read a file off of it.

Ubuntu has the right idea on this. The install media is a single CD that contains a usable desktop. Everything else can then be installed over apt (though they really need to make a n00b-friendly alternative to Synaptic). If you want a specific desktop, download the correct CD for it. Ie, Gnome (Ubuntu), KDE (Kubuntu), or XFCE (Xubuntu).

Re:Bloated (2, Insightful)

taylortbb (759869) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297695)

Why choose? Mandriva has a multi-disk version and a single disk one. And the multi-CD version has a single DVD version. Not every location has a high speed internet connection, and even if it does it takes a while. As someone who installs most of what's on the DVD it sure beats waiting for everything to download. Sure I have to download it initially but when I've got 5 machines to install on it takes less time in the end.

Re:Bloated (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297945)

though they really need to make a n00b-friendly alternative to Synaptic


They did. Applications->Add/Remove... opens a simple install/uninstall gui, that includes most apps that someone who's likely to be confused by Synaptic could possibly want. It's at least as easy as MS's add/remove programs in Control Panel. Need more? File->advanced in that same program will open Synaptic.

Re:Bloated (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296613)

But if there's room for it, then why not? It still all fits on a single DVD. If I have to download all the packages I want to install then it may take me ages to get the initial install done. Not everybody has a 5 Mbit connection. I'm on a 1Mbit connection, because it's fast enough for most stuff. But I don't want to have to download all the packages that I want to install.

Re:Bloated (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297085)

A DVD/full-featured CD install is convenient for doing additional machines, and when it's a live disk you can take advantage of that for rescue, hardware compatibility checking, and having your OS of choice portable to any machine you like.
My install media weigh the same if I burn Damn Small Linux or a full DVD worth of software. :)

Re:Bloated (3, Informative)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297611)

There is always things like apt. No need to have it all on the install media.

Yes... and it seems they've thought of this. There's a single-CD download, which installs a minimal system and then lets you get the rest over the network. I'll be getting this one, I think: I don't care to clutter up my room with unnecessary coasters!

http://qa.mandriva.com/torrent/2007/mandriva-fre e-2007-mini.torrent

Soon as the ADSL contention clears tonight at about half-elevenish, I'll totally nab that.

Re:Bloated (2, Interesting)

scott_karana (841914) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297375)

In any modern Linux distribution (and even most antiquated ones) ther is no need to worry about downloading tarballs or compiling.
It's just a matter of how many packages are installed by default, and I respect the fact that you like having lots of 'em to choose from.
I'm just being a pedant about packaging systems for Linux is all.

Re:Bloated (3, Interesting)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296117)

And to list what works 100% on all systems...

Not everything in the past has worked right (There's a reason I'm using FC5 or Ubuntu
right at the moment for my main systems...)- their SQA has left quite a bit to be
desired in the past. To be sure, 2006-1 was probably one of their best iterations;
but like before in the past, things like PCMCIA not working 100% of the time on 100%
of the platforms just mar the whole experience. Oh, I'll continue to be a member and
install on part of my platforms, but that's because I'm needing it for testing purposes.
Unless it really shows up nice and stable, it's not going on everything.

Re:Bloated (5, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296787)

To be fair, what OS works 100% of the time on 100% of the platforms it supports? Maybe OSX comes close, but only by limiting the supported platforms quite a lot.

Re:Bloated (2, Funny)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297389)

Yeah, OSX has bragging rights with hardware compatibility.

  "Our OS will run on every single supported platform. All 5 of them!" ;)

Laugh it up (3, Interesting)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297969)

Make fun all you want, but I've said multiple times that the way Apple does peripheral hardware ought to be a model for Linux and any other non-Windows OS.

Back before I just threw in the towel and started drilling holes in my walls, I would have killed a man for a "Linux 802.11 Card." When you want a wireless card for your Mac, you go into a store, and you buy it. Note that I said "it," not "one." Because there's only one. (Okay, at some points there have been multiple, i.e. Airport vs. Airport Extreme, but most computers could only take one or the other.) Yeah, it costs more, but there's no messing around with anything.

I've wondered if maybe some Linux User's Group wanted to do this as a fund-raiser: do a bulk-purchase of some Linux-compatible peripheral (say a WL card or TV tuner) in OEM packaging, and then wrap it up with the appropriate drivers and sell it over the web at a 50-60% markup. I think you'd move product -- too often do you get recommendations for a product that works well, only to find that it's been discontinued or only sold in some other country, or it's nearly impossible to tell which products use it. (This was my experience finding Prism-based WL cards.)

Laugh all you want, but "choice" isn't always good, particularly when it means just having a high signal/noise ratio. Having one and only one hardware configuration available is better than having a thousand hardware configurations available, if only one or two of them works perfectly. In the first case, you have a 100% chance of getting the 'good' config, in the latter, you might as well buy Lotto tickets.

Re:Laugh it up (1)

LordWoody (187919) | more than 7 years ago | (#16298499)

As someone said previously in the conversation about software media, it is a war of choice. With multiple selections you get a mix of price, features and performance. But the costs is potential install issues that vary between peripherals of the same type. Besides, very few vendors make hardware specifically for Linux.

That said, a LUG could not afford to purchase hardware in bulk and hope they have enough customers to buy all of it over a short period of time. Hardware changes (improves) too rapidly and most people want to buy the best unit they can when they do choose to purchase. Even regular (sell the Windows users) computer stores keep very little inventory. The price (value) of hardware on the shelf deteriorates too rapidly. You have to buy in *massive* bulk to get the initial wholesale price so low that you can sell 'retail' above your purchase price for longer period of time and still cut a profit if you intend for your hardware to have a shelf life.

The price you pay to run a free (libre), flexible, stable and powerful operating system that is not "main stream" is that you have to work a little harder to buy your hardware and may need to know a little mare that "Start -> Run -> d:\setup.exe".

But at least... (2, Funny)

Roadkills-R-Us (122219) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296301)

... it has a new, French Polynesian, "Hello World" theme!

If only it were "Hello Kitty" I dould download it at once for my niece.

Re:But at least... (1)

beckerist (985855) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297697)

...just to have it explode in her face [engadget.com] ? No thanks!

ah but I jest!

Re:Bloated (1)

noamsml (868075) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297665)

Uh, Vim with syntax highlighting?

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16296031)

first post

Pfffttt... (2, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296091)

It's just like Mandriva 2006 only it has a new player roster...

Re:Pfffttt... (3, Funny)

MrAnnoyanceToYou (654053) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296579)

The funny thing is that Linux might actually be more popular with Madden-esque voice overs plugged in as error messages. Like clippy, only openly farsical.

EX:
"OOOoh.... It looks like he's caused a segmentation fault. That's gotta hurt."
"Wow. Now, that there's just some good old fashioned permissions problems. He's gonna need to log as root and run some chmod and chown commands."
"You know, right there's where you really have the option of some good coding. The rehashing of that string with the library function would make your code quite a bit more efficient. Just like in the old days."

And everyone's favorite,
"Boy, that's a good little piece of code, but you could really use a run back to the manual on that one."

I'd love to see the whiteboard-enabled screen on my code sometimes, and have someone who knew what they were doing scribble out what was wrong with it, but maybe that's just me.

Distibution Errors: #1 (3, Informative)

bfree (113420) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296103)

Announcing a new release and having your web site melt under the load. Though I suppose it could be worse, they could be a hosting provider launching a new high availability service :-D

Re:Distibution Errors: #1 (1)

sumi-manga (948999) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296523)

Mandriva Free 2007 is distributed via BitTorrent

the real error... (1)

QuaintRealist (905302) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297467)

Slamming linux and the kernel developers immediately before your release, and having it posted on distrowatch. Nice going, guys.

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20061002 [distrowatch.com]

Today is the day of desktop linux! (4, Informative)

Reverend528 (585549) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296135)

A new Slackware and a new Mandriva! What a time to be alive!

what realy bugs me is nfs mounted home folder (1)

sasoon (727664) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297143)

Mandriva - great for home usage, everything works smoothly. The moment you install it at the office, where your home folder is nfs mounted - pletora of things stops working. For example Amarok. Strange KDE bugs show their ugly faces on nfs mounted home.

Re:Today is the day of desktop linux! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16297201)

A new Slackware and a new Mandriva! What a time to be elive!

Ahem, released the last week :)
http://distrowatch.com/3720 [distrowatch.com]

Ubuntu has already won (-1, Troll)

realmolo (574068) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296207)

Seriously, isn't Ubuntu basically the "winner" of the "desktop Linux distro" wars?

It's just so much better than anything else, mostly because of apt/Synaptic. Plus, it has momentum, so the repositories have lots of new/exotic packages that most other distros don't. And, even better, they keeep the distro as a whole very up-to-date.

I just can't think of a reason to use anything *but* Ubuntu on the desktop. Well, if you're talking about Linux destkops, anyway.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (3, Insightful)

papaia (652949) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296249)

The reason is urpmi.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

lordofthechia (598872) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296705)

You really consider uprmi superior to synaptic? I mainly use Mandriva 2006 at home, but from what I've used of synaptic I loved it. It was faster and allowed you to remove, install, and upgrade in the same window unlike the gui version of urpmi (where you have to open a version suited to *only* that one function).

Most importantly, synaptic has the option to re-install a package without much fuss, I have not found this functionality in (the gui version of) urpmi. I was seriously considering switching to Kubuntu for this reason plus the availability of more recent packages (though I've recently discovered the mde repositories for Mandriva).

I'm wondering what would I be missing, other than the shiny Mandriva Control Center with an Ubuntu Migration?

Re:Ubuntu has already won (2, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296775)

The new rpmdrake in 2007 is a combined interface - install / remove are in the same application again.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

lordofthechia (598872) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296997)

no re-install? Reason I ask is I've had some packages flake out on me and a simple re-install would fix it though even with the old urpmi, manually removing and re-installing was never an option with some packaged (due to the dependecies spreading deep into KDE). Before anybody says that packages should not "flake out", ever had a HDD sector go bad?

I may have to try the live CD then. Mainly I want to test the new rpm drake and more importantly I want to see if my soundcards digital out is supported by default (Fedora Core 4 picked it up by default! In Mandriva 2005,2006 I couldn't get it to work for the life of me - even following the ALSA website instructions).

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

papaia (652949) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297273)

I love CLI and its capabilities of scripting, etc... in this regard urpmi/urpmf/urpmq are the best tools I have ever worked with.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#16298307)

Try emerge. Once you go emerge you don't go back. I wish there were more CLI tools like emerge.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (5, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296433)

Hmm, let me know how Ubuntu is doing with its easy 3D desktop configuration wizard that allows to pick either AIGLX or Xgl depending on what your hardware supports. How's their SMB, NFS and WebDAV mount wizards? Their graphical VPN configuration tool? Their FTP, web, mail, DNS, SMB, NFS, and proxy server configuration wizards? autofs and ldap configuration tools? Their redundant firewall configuration tool? How's their internationalization going, is Ubuntu available in over 70 languages yet? Yeah, no reason to use anything but Ubuntu, obviously. Feel free to let me know what apt does that urpmi doesn't, too. And if apt was the winner of the Linux desktop 'wars', why didn't Debian win sometime in 1999?

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

l3v1 (787564) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296547)

why didn't Debian win sometime in 1999

Certainly not because of apt. I fully agree with you on the rest.

Mandrake/riva has been a very friendly (I didn't write user-friendly on purpose) distro for much more years than Ubuntu has lived and it still is a very very nice distro. No reason to mock it, and certainly no fanboy ubuntuism can lower its merits.
 

Re:Ubuntu has already won (2, Interesting)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 7 years ago | (#16298103)

``And if apt was the winner of the Linux desktop 'wars', why didn't Debian win sometime in 1999?''

Plenty of things could be mentioned here.

  - Debian was doing a lot less marketing than certain other distros
  - People were still in the mindset that Linux == Red Hat
  - Many people refused to use Debian, because it had no graphical installer
  - Debian stable tends to be far away from cutting edge, and "unstable" sounds scary
  - Actually, _didn't_ Debian win around 1999? Do you have distro popularity statistics for that time?

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

CoonAss56 (927862) | more than 7 years ago | (#16298129)

emerge ..... does better than either one. Don't have to worry about flaky mirrors (has Mandriva ever figured that out?), or a multitude of dependent packages that I don't want to install, but have to because of poor linkage. What ever distro is out here, I like to have control over what programs I want to have installed, and not to have a bunch of dead hard drive space filled with junk I'll never use but have to have installed due to piss-poor package management

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

buraianto (841292) | more than 7 years ago | (#16298241)

and not to have a bunch of dead hard drive space filled with junk I'll never use but have to have installed due to piss-poor package management

You mean like all the source and intermediate build files in your emerge directory?

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

teslar (706653) | more than 7 years ago | (#16298535)

why didn't Debian win sometime in 1999?
But it did, you see, it did. Come on, you must remember the flame wars between the supporters of the de-facto distribution debian and those who went for this new distro that liked to compile everything on install and loved its flags, what's it called again... gentoo, that's right, on this very site. I used to be a debian fanboy, I loved sid, but I finally switched to Ubuntu because under debian, only about half the hardware in my laptop worked out-of-the-box. Under Ubuntu, everything worked first time around. And that was it. Sure, I don't like the Ubuntu way of not having a root account, I still 'sudo su' because frankly, when I need root, it's not just for one command and all that, but debian had it all and it lost it all... Ubuntu just came along and did everything better.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (2, Informative)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296435)

I think Novell would beg to differ. SLED 10 is very nice, IMO. (Yes, I've tried Ubuntu).

Re:Ubuntu has already won (2, Informative)

Burz (138833) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297465)

Gotta agree with that. SuSE is much nicer.

Ubuntu is too minimalistic in its 'control panel' options. There's too many things you cannot do without nursing those activities from the CLI. Ubuntu has no security features recommended on laptops: WPA, VPN, firewall, encrypted partitions, etc. Even home folders are not set as private. You must configure them all from the CLI or at best with afterthought add-ons like Firestarter.

The Ubuntu installer is complete amatuer-hour (no, really, it looks like a script that was whipped up in one hour): Instead of asking, it makes nasty assumptions like clock=UTC, and that your UBS/Firewire drives are to be mounted from fstab on bootup (when those drives are unplugged, your system *doesn't* bootup). Video card detection is often fumbled with common models like Radeon 7000.

I wish Canonical well with Ubuntu, but I'd say they'd better add a lot more standard features with a revamped installer in the next release (Edgy) if they want to maintain their standing.

Mandriva, SuSE, Xandros are all much better for normal PC use IMO. They always have been better, and even Xandros (was Corel) goes back to 1999.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (2, Interesting)

technoid_ (136914) | more than 7 years ago | (#16298205)

I second that. While at Ohio Linux Fest this weekend I was lucky enough to attend Ted Haeger's talk on "Desktop Innovation at Novell". I am excited about Linux on the desktop again. I already use Linux as my desktop OS, but it just seemed kinda blah until seeing Ted's presentation. The work that Novell is putting into SLED and openSUSE is really cool, and they are giving back to the community at the same time (beagle and f-spot for example). While Ubuntu is nice, don't count Novell out when it comes to desktop linux.

For more info check out Ted's blog http://reverendted.wordpress.com/ [wordpress.com] and his podcast http://www.novell.com/openaudio/ [novell.com] .

Disclaimer: I do not have any association to Novell or Ted, other than he is a kewl guy to talk to and knows his stuff.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296499)

I agree with the sibling. URPMI (and the graphical interface to it) make Mandriva the best newbie distro there is. I don't like messing around with any unnecessary stuff, so even though I'm no a newbie I still use it. Also, search for EasyURPMI and PLF. add those to you list of sources and you can get just about any application without having to worry about dependancies or compiling things. I've tried ubuntu, and I actually find it much harder to use than Mandriva.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296559)

Though I haven't fiddled extensively with it, Ubuntu absolutely bugs me when it comes to doing "advanced" user tasks (like, oh I dunno, modifying GRUB or something from an X GUI front-end). SUSE 10.1 was a lot better for being easy on the maintenance side, while letting me easily find things in traditional places. Sounds like Mandriva might be similar, and XGL is a goodie I've kinda wanted to try.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (-1, Flamebait)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296517)

No, Ubuntu is the fag of the desktop wars.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16296565)

Where do I start?

- No choice of the locale at install time (ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-8).
- Installer won't let you leave a partition alone, they must all be assigned a mount point.
- Won't install on an external hard drive out-of-the-box.
- GRUB won't install anywhere but the master boot record of the first drive.
- No rescue mode on the live CD even though the option is documented in the Fn.
- No official kernel patched with the vastly superior suspend2.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16296583)

Thanks for your support.

Seriously, isn't [your favorite distro here] basically the "winner" of the "desktop Linux distro" wars?

Opinons are like pie holes, everyone has one.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

_|()|\| (159991) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297135)

Ubuntu looks really nice, but I'm still using SUSE, because AMD64 Debian eschews LSB and FHS, making it difficult to run 32-bit software.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (5, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297221)

Seriously, isn't Ubuntu basically the "winner" of the "desktop Linux distro" wars?

No.

I just can't think of a reason to use anything *but* Ubuntu on the desktop.

The Linux way might well be summed up as "To Each His Own."

KFG

Re:Ubuntu has already won (1)

FellowConspirator (882908) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297361)

I would agree that Ubuntu is tops for popularity these days, but "winner"? Perhaps you haven't seen Mandrake. Apt and Synaptic are quite nice, but URPMI is no slouch (not to mention, if you prefer Synaptic, it's included in Mandrake too but is based on apt4rpm).

Mandrake has the advantage of third-party commercial support, more so for Novell/SLED. Mandrake also has very good external repositories (such as the Penguin Liberation Front). Mandrake also has an edge over Ubuntu in GUI config management and better KDE support than Kubuntu.

Mandrake deserves some grief for SQA lapses, but seems to be reforming quite well. In my opinion, having dealt with both, Mandrake = SLED > Ubuntu, but they are REALLY close. Close to the point that they are separated by what quirks each has left.

Re:Ubuntu has already won (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16297373)

I would go with Mandriva if it didn't have such a stupid name. Till they change, I'm sticking with Ubuntu ;)

Dunno... (1)

nathan s (719490) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296219)

I dunno if this new oral theme will fly with my gf...

Re:Dunno... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16296659)

You don't have a gf.

Re:Dunno... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16296755)

Apparently not one worth having anyways

Re:Dunno... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16297521)

Guess you need to upgrade to gf-2007.

Re:Dunno... (2, Funny)

joebutton (788717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16298281)

> dunno if this new oral theme will fly with my gf...

Get yourself a Windows box. It'll go down much more often than your gf.

Mandriva/Ubuntu. (5, Interesting)

haeger (85819) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296321)

I recently tested Mandriva (LiveCD) on my KUbuntu-box. I must say that I'm very impressed with how polished Mandriva is. KUbuntu isn't bad, far from it but Mandriva is just better. Atleast the latest version. Just like KUbuntu everything just works but there is a consistensy in Mandriva that I don't see in KUbuntu. I really recommend everyone to take Mandriva for a testdrive. It's really impressive. I was going to switch my old Mandriva2006-box to KUbuntu but seeing this new version I don't think I will. I'll just do the normal upgrade-dance and all will be well.
One thing that annoys me though is the high price for the retail version. A silver membership will be more expensive than Vista in just 2-3 years. I think.

I might have to re-evaluate running KUbuntu on my laptop. I do however remember that there was something that annoyed me so much about the packages in Mandriva that I just had to switch. I think it was the fact that new packages came to the distribution at such a slow pace.

.haeger

Re:Mandriva/Ubuntu. (3, Insightful)

l3v1 (787564) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296587)

A silver membership will be more expensive than Vista in just 2-3 years. I think

Just one question: what do you think how many new releases Mandriva will live to see during those years ? And Windows ? I'm not saying it's cheap, I'm saying your comparison is flawed.

Simple XGL Setup? (1)

sumi-manga (948999) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296327)

This could be great. Maybe this will be an instant painless, and woking, XGL setup. When the 1337 dude rocking Aero sees how quick and smooth an ATI 9600 can perform XGL fancies - the look on his face will be priceless.

Re:Simple XGL Setup? (2, Interesting)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297137)

the one thing you want to do is pick up a silver membership if you have hardware that needs nongpl drivers (ati and Nvidia chips) benefits:

1 feeds a small group of monkeys that help a lot (HI ADAM)
2 offical club benefits
3 updates that won't (the monkeys hope) trash your system

Why the stock 2.4 kernel!?!? (1)

BeeBeard (999187) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296335)

*runs*

Re:Why the stock 2.4 kernel!?!? (2, Interesting)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296483)

Er, what? The kernel is 2.6.17. There isn't even a 2.4 kernel in the distro any more (we still had a legacy one in 2006).

I prefer SUSE, Fedora or Ubuntu (3, Interesting)

Yahma (1004476) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296471)

This will probably get modded down as flamebait, but honestly I prefer SUSE over Mandriva (Mandrake). I have tried Mandrake many times over the past few years, and even joined their "Mandrake Club" a few years back when they were on the brink of Bankruptcy to help them out; however, I have always felt that their Distro was never QA'ed as well as SUSE or Redhat for that matter. When you fire up the latest SUSE, you tell you have a professionally QA'ed product, as everything works out of the box. With Mandriva on the other hand, everything looks great on paper. They always have some of the latest packages, and include alot of the new technology; however, there are always a few things that dont work well with my system after I install it. In fact, on more than one occasion, I've even had trouble installing a new release of Mandriva.

Now I have nothing against Mandriva, and I like urmpi, but I think I may pass on this release, or try it out on a Virtual machine first before getting rid of my SUSE and Fedora boxes.... Now there's a thought..

Yahma
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Re:I prefer SUSE, Fedora or Ubuntu (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296675)

I found the exact opposite with SUSE. I recently tried SUSE 10.1, and after a new install, it wouldn't even update itself. And I couldn't even get the 3D drivers working with all I tried, and in Mandriva they just work by default. It looked really nice and polished, so much so that I really tried to get everything working, but there was just so many problems with things "Just Not Working" that I switched back to Mandriva. Now Mandriva has the 3D desktop too, and I have no reason to use SUSE.

Re:I prefer SUSE, Fedora or Ubuntu (1)

tljlb (196502) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296971)

I have to agree. We ran Mandrake/Mandriva almost exclusively for five years and moved to SUSE simply because of QA problems, at times problems a team of brain-damaged monkeys couldn't have missed. Of course, now that SUSE has Zen, I REALLY miss urpmi. Still wouldn't move back though. At least SUSE works reliably.

Re:I prefer SUSE, Fedora or Ubuntu (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16297053)

From http://en.opensuse.org/Download [opensuse.org] :

BEFORE YOU INSTALL READ THIS:

The package manager in SUSE 10.1 is regrettably broken on most systems.

I wouldn't be bragging about QA on a distro that ships with a broken package manager (sort of an integral part of the OS).

Yeah, that was bad (1)

darthservo (942083) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297517)

Yeah, that was somewhat of a problem. Package a broken updater in the release - should have been caught before posting it publicly as a final release. A big "Doh!" for the SuSE team.

I'm all for SuSE over the other distros, don't get me wrong. I'm running it on my laptop and enjoy the new wireless utilities (with 10.1 it's now about 10 times easier). However, a release this broken really made me sad. Even though I was able to fix it by looking through online documentation from other frustrated users, I couldn't recommend that my friends/family give this release a try. So, I've been telling them that 10.2 should be a good release. Although, we'll see how the ReiserFS > Ext3 switch [wordpress.com] goes with the next release.

No distro comes close to Mandriva for ease of use. (3, Interesting)

IpSo_ (21711) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296509)

In my opinion Mandriva still takes the cake as far as distro ease of use is concerned. The installer is dead simple (yet has an advanced mode) but the most important part is once you get it installed, it has the most complete set of utilities to configure and maintain your system which are accessible from a single "control panel". Everything from one click network printer discovery, to setting up TV cards/scanners, to firewall configuration.

Sure some of the other distros are just starting to catch up now, they usually have a hodge-podge of utilties that work similar to the Mandriva ones, but few have a consistent interface and you usually need to know what they are called before you know what to click on, they aren't all located in one easy to find place. If you want a distro your mom can install and use, this is about as close as it comes currently.

Here is the list of just some of the custom utilties Mandriva (Mandrake) offers for configuring your system:

lsnetdrake,menudrake,drakbug,mandrakegalaxy.real,d rakconf,drakhelp,localedrake,drakoo,draklocale,man drakegalaxy,packdrake,userdrake,lspcidrake,diskdra ke,mousedrake,drakkeyboard,drakhelp_inst,drakconne ct,drakconsole,drakupdate_fstab,drakTermServ,drakn et_monitor,drakscanner,drakedm,drakids,draklog,dra knfs,drakx11,draksec,drakups,drakxtv,drakfirstboot ,drakconf.real,drakbackup,drakauth,drakboot,drakcl ub,drakconf,drakdisk,drakfont,drakperm,drakroam,dr akuser,drakautoinst,drakgw,keyboarddrake,drakonlin e,drakfirewall,draksplash,drakhardware,draksambash are,scannerdrake,drakxservices,logdrake,adduserdra ke,drakclock,drakhosts,harddrake2,drakmouse,drakpr oxy,draksound,drakxconf,userdrake,XFdrake,printerd rake,drakbug_report,drakprinter

Re:No distro comes close to Mandriva for ease of u (4, Insightful)

opkool (231966) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296781)

+1

Plus, there is the **other** configuration utility included in Mandriva that everybody forgets:

vi

Yes, you can use vi to configure your Mandriva and be happy.

That's why I like Mandriva, choice:

If I'm lazy or I want to show off, I use the Mandriva Control Center.
If I want to configure something fast, screen + vi

I wonder if those who call Mandriva a n00b distro have ever try it to use Mandriva as a serious distro. I do.

Peace!

Yes, But Will It Configure Your Touchpad? (1)

saudadelinux (574392) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297393)

I've had to fight with Mandriva installs since 9.1 to get my touchpad (barely) working. My machine worked more cleanlu two versions back, than it does now. *Fight*, I tell you. Not to mention the broken Kat and gam_server problems (act like malware on Windows, eating up scads memory and CPU time), badly incomplete documentation installed (for many K-applications) problems with Kiosk installs (crap like Mindawn, a paid music subscription service I'll never use with dependencies on the other stuff in the bundle), the harddrive jerking about for any operation, etc. These are all problems I (and others) have had with 2006. Next time I switch or upgrade, I'm going to Kubuntu.

When it works. (2, Interesting)

pavon (30274) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297401)

My experiance with setting up hardware using the Mandrake control panel a couple years ago, was that when it worked it was easy as cake, but if it didn't you were worse off then having nothing. For example, I was attempting to setup a hauppauge TV tuner card, which I knew was supported in linux. The rest of the install so far had been a snap and it recognized all my hardware with no problems. So I run the TV tuner card setup from the control panel, it pops up a dialog box saying it is setting up my card then the dialog box closes. No success or error indication, just closes. I try to use the tuner and get nothing. So I open up the TV tuner script to see what was going on. All it did was issue a bunch of shell commands, without checking the return value, without verifying that anything worked, or providing any feedback to the user - just shoot out a bunch of command and hope it works. Because I had no idea how far it got in the script before failing I had no idea what state my system or config files were in. I looked at other configuration scripts and found some (although not all) of them to be just as bad.

I was not impressed. Configuration utilites should always verify that the changes they make work, and if not revert the system to the state it was in before they were run. They should always inform the user of the success/failure of the operation, and preferably provide enough information to let the user know how to procede - Run such and such program to test your new hardware, this is not a supported card, unexpected error, etc. Hopefully, this has been improved upon since I last used Mandriva.

Mandriva Rant (1)

15973 (861573) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296593)

Remember when Mandrake 9 had bragging rights for its multimedia support? You could actually do music editing - audio and even midi - and Mandrake was your distro. Then remember when it merged with Connectiva, and we lost multimedia, and even 3D? Then remember what happened after that? I don't, 'cause I switched. I really loved Mandrake 9.x, and when they get back to their strengths I might even switch back, but until then, it's pretty much like the "player roster" comment above... all fluff, no stuff. Can anyone tell me what Mandrake specializes in now? What's their strength? Slackware is for hardcore folks, Suse is for business, Red Hat is for... uhh... Well, K/Ubuntu is the supposed to be the new user-friendly, so what's Mandriva's niche?

Re:Mandriva Rant (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296825)

Er, what? Merging with Conectiva didn't change anything at all about MDV's multimedia support. We didn't take anything out in that line, at least on purpose. What are you missing? And, um, we never removed anything to do with 3D support. Might have been some bugs in 2005 or 2006, but that's bugs, not intentional changes...

Re:Mandriva Rant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16296911)

Officially Mandriva is for beginners.

I think Mandriva ist more user friendly than Ubuntu, while being more configurable than... well... Ubuntu. Or Fedora. Suse, I don't know. What I want to say is: What people brag about - like Ubuntu being "user friendly", which it isn't - is seldom fact.

And that music stuff is still there, though not in the main repositories.

Re:Mandriva Rant (2, Insightful)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296973)

No. Mandriva Linux Discovery is for beginners. Mandriva Linux Powerpack is for experienced users. Mandriva Linux Powerpack+ is for SOHO users. Mandriva Linux Free is for just about everyone. =) We've never claimed to be a distro aimed specifically at beginners. We try and make the distro work for everyone. If we were all about beginners we probably wouldn't have an enterprise-aimed tool for setting up multiple redundant firewall machines, a comprehensive set of LAMP server packages, configuration tools for web, file, ftp, ldap, dns etc servers, and all the other stuff we do that beginners would run screaming from...=)

Re:Mandriva Rant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16297003)

Yeah..Redhat uh..

Yeah, I'm really going to put "Mandriva" whatever on a $15,000 Proliant and MSA Storage Array setup.

Think I'll stick with Redhat Enterprise thanks..

Re:Mandriva Rant (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297029)

Mandriva's niche is also supposed to be user friendliness. What? you can't have 2 distros supporting the same niche?

Re:Mandriva Rant (1)

philwx (789834) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297313)

Slackware is for hardcore folks, Suse is for business, Red Hat is for... uhh... Well, K/Ubuntu is the supposed to be the new user-friendly, so what's Mandriva's niche?

Looks like they are competing for the user-friendly niche. God bless competition.

what about updates? (1)

roror (767312) | more than 7 years ago | (#16296983)

Do you get the security updates and updates to the softwares with the free version?

Re:what about updates? (2, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297351)

Yes. Always have, always will. Run MandrivaUpdate, there they are. We sell Online, but that's an update _notification_ service - it gives you the little panel applet that alerts you when updates are available (and, optionally, can install them automatically). It's just a little convenience.

PPC Version? (1)

SmileeTiger (312547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297057)

Is there or will there be a PPC version?

I can't seem to find one for this or the previous version :(

Re:PPC Version? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297265)

I think they stopped doing PPC releases at version 9. And now with all the Macs being Intel machines, I can't forsee anybody supporting PowerPC. Unless you go to a PPC specific distro like YellowDog, I don't think you're going to find a lot of distros that support PPC.

Re:PPC Version? (2, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297377)

There are no official PPC releases any more. The PPC port still exists and is maintained by volunteers (principally Danny Tholen, actually). They haven't had the resources to do a stable release since, I think, 10.1 or 2005, but Cooker is still kept mostly up to date and works pretty well. If you really want to run Mandriva on PPC, go with current Cooker. Frankly, though, I'd recommend a dedicated distro like Yellow Dog unless you specifically want Mandriva, because you're comfortable with it or all your other machines run on it or something.

French Polynesian?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16297193)

The distro features a new theme named Ia Ora ("hello" in French Polynesian).
Sorry for asking, but WTF is "French Polynesian"?!

"la Ora" doesn't sound anything like "bonjour" or "allo". If anything, "la Ora" sounds spanish or something. But not french.

Re:French Polynesian?! (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297641)

It's the dialect of French they speak in French Polynesia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Polynesia [wikipedia.org] . Dialects are distinct derivatives of other languages, including some different items of vocabulary, rules of grammar etc.

Re:French Polynesian?! (1)

styrotech (136124) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297917)

It's not a dialect of French. It's the polynesian language spoken in French Polynesia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahitian_language [wikipedia.org] ), similar to other polynesian languages eg "hello" is "kia ora" in Maori, "kia orana" in the Cook Islands etc

Web site slow . . .download links below (4, Informative)

jonesy16 (595988) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297199)

Since the site is slow to respond, here are the download links for the 3CD version for i586 and x86_64, these are bit torrents . . .

i586
------
http://qa.mandriva.com/torrent/2007/mandriva-free- 2007-CD.i586.torrent [mandriva.com]

x86_64
------
http://qa.mandriva.com/torrent/2007/mandriva-free- 2007-CD.x86_64.torrent [mandriva.com]

dual architecture DVD
----------------------
http://qa.mandriva.com/torrent/2007/mandriva-free- 2007-DVD.torrent [mandriva.com]

Questions for those who've used it (2, Interesting)

jiawen (693693) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297257)

Here's what I'd like to know:

  • How close does it get to solving the dependency hell problem? This is probably my biggest single problem with Mandriva.
  • How's Menudrake? That's one of my other big headaches with Mandriva. How easily can you modify the main menu now?
  • Where can I find a complete list of packages included? I have some very specific wants that the Mandriva website doesn't discuss.
  • Are the problems with SCIM resolved? A lot of people just basically unplugged it, but I have to use it because I use Chinese input a lot. Several applications simply wouldn't start because of problems with SCIM, leading to hacks that ended up plopping core dumps on my desktop every time I started them.
  • How does the new Cedega thing work? Is it just a one-month subscription, or a one-time version of the software or something? It seems like it has to be restricted somehow.

Re:Questions for those who've used it (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297437)

You're going to have to be more specific about 'the dependency hell problem'. MDV has a dependency resolving package manager (urpmi / rpmdrake) and has for years, so what exactly do you mean by 'dependency hell'? Menudrake doesn't exist any more. 2007 uses the freedesktop.org XDG standard for menus, so any XDG-compliant menu editor can be used. We include kmenuedit and alacarte, KDE and GNOME XDG menu editors respectively, though alacarte doesn't actually work as released due to upstream bugs. This will be fixed soon with a post-release update (it's currently in testing). Package lists are up somewhere, I'm just checking where... SCIM, again, I'll need some specifics to check. There was a long time problem with Acrobat and SCIM which is fixed in this release. I don't know of any other problems, if you let me know what apps you've had trouble with in the past, I'll check them. Not sure about Cedega, sorry...

Re:Questions for those who've used it (1)

jiawen (693693) | more than 7 years ago | (#16298255)

By "dependency hell", I mean the following things:

  • URPMI doesn't just always download all the packages needed for a given app. This may mean that Mandriva just hasn't released the packages for the app I want, but regardless, it's a big pain.
  • As N7DR said, Mandriva doesn't seem to update packages for new and spiffy things, only for security reasons. This can be a big pain; getting Gnome 2.16 running, for example, pretty much requires upgrading the entire Mandriva system, because even things like Garnome don't resolve packages dependencies.
  • Very often when I try to resolve a dependency issue myself by downloading packages, I find that 1) I have to spend an hour downloading something, then finding out what its dependencies are, then downloading the dependencies of that package, etc. etc., and 2) I usually get to the end and realize that the whole nasty chain is dependent on some package that is simply unfindable.

In general, I've found that URPMI (and its nasty resource-hogging GUI friend RPMdrake) don't resolve dependencies as well as Apt-type things. I don't know if this is a function of the distros behind them not updating their package lists as well, or software problems, or what, but regardless, it's the biggest pain for me in using Mandriva.

It's good to see MenuDrake go. I'm very interested in trying alacarte once it works.

Thank you for the package list. That answered many of my questions.

As for SCIM, there has been a line of very important apps that simply refuse to open due to some kind of conflict with SCIM. I've ended up having to add this stuff to their startup scripts:

scim -f x11 -c simple -ns socket -d
export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
export XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM
export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim

That allows the apps to open, but when they do, they drop a nice big core dump on my desktop. Affected apps so far: Firefox, Thunderbird and XaraLX. I don't have the problem when I install Firefox through URPMI, but if I allow Firefox to update itself, the problem always exists.

Anyway, thanks for all the help!

Re:Questions for those who've used it (1)

N7DR (536428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297461)

How close does it get to solving the dependency hell problem? This is probably my biggest single problem with Mandriva.

I don't have an answer, but I agree that that is one of the two problems that finally got to the point where I switched from Mandriva to Kubuntu a couple of months ago. Compared to Mandriva, Kubuntu is a bit... weird :-) But that's probably just because I've been using Mandrake/Mandriva since 2000. I'll try out 2007, but it will have to have improved vastly in three areas for me to consider going back.

1. The dependency problem. When I tell packages to install, I expect them to... install, not give me some cryptic message that says that it can't be installed.
2. The utterly glacial (non-existent, really) rate at which packages are updated. The Mdv philosophy appears to be: upgrade packages with security updates, but for regular packages that are simply adding features or fixing bugs, don't do an update. This is a royal pain for those of us running 64 bit dual-core CPUs, because often the newer packages fix a lot of 64-bit or threading bugs
3. The mess that happens when you try to run a 64-bit OS and need some 32-bit programs. It isn't really fair to call this out as a separate problem (which is why I referred to two problems above), because I'm pretty sure it's really a specific instance of #1. Kubuntu in general doesn't seem to have problem #1; OTOH, Kubuntu seems, if anything, to be worse than Mandriva when it comes to running 32-bit programs on a 64-bit system.

Re:Questions for those who've used it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16297565)

The dependency problem. When I tell packages to install, I expect them to... install, not give me some cryptic message that says that it can't be installed.

Then use urpmi. urpmi does solve dependencies as well as apt-get.

Links to torrents for CDs with proprietary drivers (1)

pirnaver (105648) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297441)

GNOME Version

  • mandriva-one-2007-gnome1.iso [mandriva.com] : Dutch, English, Gaelic (Irish), German, Icelandic, Italian, Low Saxon, Sardinian, Welsh

  • mandriva-one-2007-gnome2.iso [mandriva.com] : Breton, Catalan, English, French, Galician, Portuguese, Portuguese Brazil, Spanish, Walon

  • mandriva-one-2007-gnome3.iso [mandriva.com] :Afrikaans, Arabic, Azeri (Latin), Bengali, English, Farsi (Iranian), Hebrew, Hindi, Indonesian, Japanese, Kinyarwanda, Kurdish, Malay, Maori, Marathi, Mongolian, Tamil, Uzbek (cyrillic), Vietnamese

  • mandriva-one-2007-gnome4.iso [mandriva.com] :Danish, English, Esperanto, Faroese, Finnish (Suomi), Greek, Norwegian Bokmaal, Norwegian Nynorsk, Swedish

  • mandriva-one-2007-gnome5.iso [mandriva.com] :Bulgarian, Croatian, English, Hungarian, Polish, Slovak, Slovenian

  • mandriva-one-2007-gnome6.iso [mandriva.com] : Belarussian, Bosnian, Czech, English, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Macedonian, Maltese, Romanian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Yiddish

KDE Version

  • mandriva-one-2007-kde1.iso [mandriva.com] : Breton, Dutch, English, Euskara (Basque), French, German, Icelandic, Occitan, Walon

  • mandriva-one-2007-kde2.iso [mandriva.com] :Danish, English, Gaelic (Irish), Italian, Norwegian Bokmaal, Norwegian Nynorsk, Sardinian, Welsh

  • mandriva-one-2007-kde3.iso [mandriva.com] :Catalan, English, Faroese, Finnish (Suomi), Galician, Low Saxon, Portuguese, Portuguese Brazil, Saami, Spanish, Swedish

  • mandriva-one-2007-kde4.iso [mandriva.com] :Bengali, Chinese Simplified, Chinese Traditional, English, Hindi, Indonesian, Malay, Maori, Mongolian, Tamil, Thai, Vietnamese

  • mandriva-one-2007-kde5.iso [mandriva.com] :Afrikaans, Amharic, English, Farsi (Iranian), Japanese, Kinyarwanda, Korean, Kurdish, Laotian, Marathi, Tajik, Uzbek (cyrillic), Xhosa

  • mandriva-one-2007-kde6.iso [mandriva.com] :Croatian, English, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Macedonian, Maltese, Polish, Serbian Cyrillic, Slovak, Ukrainian, Yiddish

  • mandriva-one-2007-kde7.iso [mandriva.com] :Arabic, Azeri (Latin), Belarussian, Bosnian, Czech, English, Esperanto, Hebrew, Russian, Turkish

  • mandriva-one-2007-kde8.iso [mandriva.com] :Bulgarian, English, Greek, Hungarian, Romanian, Slovenian

Does Bronze == Standard??? (1)

terraformer (617565) | more than 7 years ago | (#16297767)

Does Bronze == Standard???

Also, when you try to upgrade your membership, it sends you to the download page where you have no access because your membership level is too low. When you click the link to renew/upgrade you go back to the download page... Rinse, repeat. Great Q/A on the club site.

failz0rs (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16297913)

BSD fanatics? I've best. Individuals BSDI i5 also dead, another folder. 20 irc.secsup.org or to predict *BSD's

Music contest results? (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 7 years ago | (#16298343)

Anyone know what happened with the contest [mandriva.com] of login/logout sounds for Mandriva 2007? I'd hate to download the entire ISO just to see who won...

I know, wrong league, but... (1)

Neolith1982 (942696) | more than 7 years ago | (#16298529)

First of all, I'm using Gentoo on my Desktop, but nonetheless I have some words to the so-called "newbie-Distros" (SuSE, fedora, Mandriva, (K-,X- )Ubuntu, etc.)
  • The administrative tools are MUCH to slow (To update my System the users interaction with the System is emerge --sync && emerge --update world on a root console. This tooks about 2-5 seconds. To fire up Yast, urpmi or synaptic, choosing System update etc., it takes several minutes...)
  • You don't have access to real cutting edge packages. You have to stay behind with Kernel 2.6.xx while I can go on to Kernel 2.6.xx+x, just as an example
  • You have to do it the way, the maintainers want it. If you ever tried to go through the packages SuSE offers you while it's installing in a quick and efficient way, you know what I mean. So you could as well stuck to M$.
  • The system itself is hidden from the users, so many people could misread KDE (or Gnome,...) for Linux.
  • Most newbie distros are too bloated, and therefor damn slow. Another example: My 700Mhz Laptop with Gentoo needs about 20 seconds to start up, load KDE(!) and be ready to work. The AMD Athlon 2800 PC from my

So far the bad sides, now the good sides
  • The System is easy to understand, no matter what you use
  • The system still have better benchmarking results the M$ Windohs
  • The releasecycles are short enough, to be more or less up-to-date


So, what do I want to say with this?
first: Using Linux is still better than using M$
second You have to be sensible with comparisons (here Gentoo newbie Distros, or earlier in the discussion SuSE Fedora Ubuntu Mandriva).

All in all one newbiedistro is as good as the other. Which one you want to use is up to your oppinion. But, from my point of view, Ubuntu is the most modern and cleanest one from all. Quite easy to install, good to maintain and so on. SuSE has the best graphical(!) administration tool. Fedora is closest to cutting edge. Mandriva is a good compromise between some of them.

another question asked was, if linux is ready for the Desktop. Decide yourself, but if not, then this is only partial the fault of the Kernel developers. It is also the fault of distromaintainers, that are unable to design tere distros in a reasonable way.

Now the most important question: what OS/distro you should use: DECIDE YOURSELF. Linux grants you this right, and its fans should do so, too.
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