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Vista to Include Stepped up Anti-Piracy Measures

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the only-os-that-comes-with-crutches dept.

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snuffin writes to tell us the Washington Post is reporting that Microsoft announced stepped up anti-piracy measures being implemented in their latest operating system, Vista. From the article: "If a legitimate copy is not bought within 30 days, the system will curtail functionality much further by restricting users to just the Web browser for an hour at a time, said Thomas Lindeman, Microsoft senior product manager." Ars Technica also has coverage available on this new development.

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Guys, just don't buy/download Vista (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311555)

Buy XP or something else instead. Problem solved for us, Next?

Re:Guys, just don't buy/download Vista (3, Insightful)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311743)

Or, you know, use Linux, BSD, Mac OS X, or... hell I'd even use OS/2 before I'd use Windows again.

How much did Steve Jobs pay to bribe MS execs? (4, Insightful)

iamacat (583406) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312161)

All it takes for one non-technical person to somehow get a machine with a pirated/falsely tagged copy and he/she will tell all friends that Windows looks like shit and doesn't support any word processors or games - only a web browser. I am just waiting for screenshots of the damage in a "I am a PC and I am a Mac" ad early next year. XP Activation screen was already "featured" in this WWDC keynote.

Re:Guys, just don't buy/download Vista (1)

Psykosys (667390) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311917)

Or, since if you buy it you will in all probability receive a fully valid license key, you could just, you know, buy it.

Re:Guys, just don't buy/download Vista (3, Insightful)

Moofie (22272) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312033)

It'll probably be valid when you buy it. Are you going to trust Microsoft not to bork it after the fact?

Lemme know how that works out for you.

First Post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311559)

First Post!

They Had Better (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311561)

Well, they've been saying that all versions of Vista will ship on one DVD disc [com.com] . That's right, if you buy one copy, you will have all levels of Vista on the disc. When you want to upgrade, you simply buy a key to unlock.

It would only make sense that they force user security down our throats at the time of installation. I don't agree with this or condone it, of course. It is also quite naïve of them to think that they can win the cat n' mouse game of license control with the hackers.

"If a legitimate copy is not bought within 30 days, the system will curtail functionality much further by restricting users to just the Web browser for an hour at a time, said Thomas Lindeman, Microsoft senior product manager."
Just one more reason to stick with XP for those applications that only run on Windows. I'll buy in around SP5. I hope this keeps the hackers busy so they don't have free time to dream up mythical Firefox bugs.

Slashdot Error (5, Funny)

shawngarringer (906569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311563)

"Nothing for you to see here..."

How fitting... Guess my hour is up!

the system will curtail functionality (5, Insightful)

thrillseeker (518224) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311567)

Just what a business dependent on their software needs - an unproven "validity tester" shuts down your operations for three days while you're on ignore at the MS help line.

Re:the system will curtail functionality (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311699)

I'm sure that there will probably be some sort of Volume Licensing for businesses, sort of how there is no activation required for volume license copies of Windows XP. I work at a business with about 300 Windows XP boxes, all Volume License, and we've never had any genuine authentication issues. However, the hardware requirements of Vista will cost us more to upgrade than we can afford, so it's XP for us for the next few years.

Genuine Advantage is evil (5, Interesting)

Vernalex (565965) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311895)

I have had several genuine advantage bugs even on our volume license copies. If you switch out motherboards it sometimes thinks you stole the OS for no reason. I have also seen this happen to computers randomly, where one day it just decides your OS is pirated. And with Genuine Advantage Notifications it likes to remind you, a lot. With Vista your computer would just stop being useful, great. This really makes me angry and I wish Microsoft would stop stomping on their customers. Product Activation is horrible, Genuine Advantage is horrible and my guess it will only get worse as Microsoft thinks that by pissing everyone off they will somehow increase their profit. I feel really sorry for the smaller businesses that cannot afford Microsoft's horrible pricing for volume licensed products.

Re:the system will curtail functionality (5, Interesting)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311705)

> Just what a business dependent on their software needs - an unproven "validity tester" shuts down your operations for three days while you're on ignore at the MS help line.

The ultimate DDOS: A worm that wanders random botnets of compromised XP and Vista boxen, phoning home with fake "Authenticate key 000001, 000002, 000003..." messages from all around teh Intarweb.

One month later, Vista boxen all around the planet start to fall over for no apparent reason.

(Historical precedent: Anyone who's ever bought a retail box with a CD key that was already revoked before the box was shipped, because teh warez d00dz were using keygens that mapped onto the set of actual, legitimate keys.)

Re:the system will curtail functionality (1)

BunnyClaws (753889) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311957)

(Historical precedent: Anyone who's ever bought a retail box with a CD key that was already revoked before the box was shipped, because teh warez d00dz were using keygens that mapped onto the set of actual, legitimate keys.)
Yes, this reminds of when Valve started keeping legitimate gamers from playing on Steam. That was such a pain I quit playing Counter Strike.

Worm idea (5, Interesting)

Vernalex (565965) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312001)

I just wish people would use their evil powers for a good purpose. I want a worm that extracts the product activation code and emails it out to everyone on their Windows Address Book and Outlook Address Book contact lists. This would totally ruin Microsoft's activation scheme and then they'd have to remove it along with the other junk they've tacked onto it (Genuine Advantage).

Re:the system will curtail functionality (5, Interesting)

Anthracks (532185) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312021)

(Historical precedent: Anyone who's ever bought a retail box with a CD key that was already revoked before the box was shipped, because teh warez d00dz were using keygens that mapped onto the set of actual, legitimate keys.)

Had that happen to me back in the day when I bought a copy of Tribes 2 [wikipedia.org] . Unwrapped the box, popped in the CD, and bam: "This CD-Key is already in use. Please enter a valid key" or something to that effect. I ended up having to make a photocopy of the UPC and CD-Key sticker, and fax those to Sierra. Because of course, everyone has a copier and fax lying around their house.

It eventually got resolved, but man was I pissed about spending $50 only to be called a pirate and locked out of my own game. Anyone remember the days when Sierra wasn't a worthless hack of a brand?

Re:the system will curtail functionality (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312039)

(Historical precedent: Anyone who's ever bought a retail box with a CD key that was already revoked before the box was shipped, because teh warez d00dz were using keygens that mapped onto the set of actual, legitimate keys.)

That seems to explain all the WGA false positives, then...

Re:the system will curtail functionality (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312081)

Damn my rashness...not ALL, certainly a proportion of them.

Oh... Perfect. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311569)

About enought time to find a crack.

Re:Oh... Perfect. (1)

PreacherTom (1000306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311581)

Precisely. It'll take someone in the know about 20 seconds to get around this. But it's not for people in the know, is it?

Re:Oh... Perfect. (1)

Proof_of_death (718276) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311821)

That's probably because people in the know will have switched operating systems by then. Of all the reasons I've given people to switch to Ubuntu from windows, the biggest has been that if they don't stop relying on windows now, they're gonna get stuck with Vista and its evil, evil ways. Sure, you can choose to not deal with any of this and just stick with windows xp forever ... except that support for XP runs out just a few months after Vista comes out. Can you say numerous 0 day ie exploits that never get patched?

Re:Oh... Perfect. (1)

kubevubin (906716) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311959)

Have you actually used this "evil, evil" Vista? I consider myself to be in-the-know, and I have no problems with using Windows, whatsoever. I hope that you're warning people of the impending compatibility issues that they'll likely have upon switching to Ubuntu. And I sincerely hope that you're not suggesting Ubuntu to non-in-the-know laptop users who enjoy having wireless capabilities...


Unless you're planning to assist each and every person whom you recommended Ubuntu to in configuring such things...

Re:Oh... Perfect. (1)

Proof_of_death (718276) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312179)

I'm currently lying in bed, using my (powernowd) laptop, my usb bluetooth headphones, and my usb laser mouse, as well as posting this comment over my wifi connection -- all of which worked without any linux voodoo whatsoever. The only thing that required anything custom was getting the ati mobile video card working (with 3d accelertion -- worked just fine out of the box), which required a grand total of 5 minutes and a how-to on wiki.ubuntu.com . Doing the same thing in Windows required a grand total of 4 different driver CDs, which installed 3 different system tray icons and god knows how many background processes. I'm not saying that Ubuntu is perfect, but it's getting there, and if something doesn't work out of the box, a quick search on the wiki or the forums makes it do so. And guess what? It might require a little reading. But I never claimed that your grandmother could install Ubuntu; I claimed that most people "in the know" who don't enjoy buttering their little cornholes will have switched to an operating system made by a company who's not completely out of touch with the real world. [monstersandcritics.com]

Re:Oh... Perfect. (1)

Irish_Samurai (224931) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312071)

except that support for XP runs out just a few months after Vista comes out.

Windows XP sp 2 loses support 5 years after its release date OR 2 years after its predecessors release. Whichever is longer. The end of life policy is right here. [microsoft.com]

I'm no fanboi, but that statement isn't accurate.

So what? (4, Funny)

Ice Wewe (936718) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311589)

"If a legitimate copy is not bought within 30 days, the system will curtail functionality much further by restricting users to just the Web browser for an hour at a time

As everyone at Microsoft knows, (or should have already figured out), everyone has too much of a life to spend more than an hour a day on the internet. ;-)

Only use the web browser for an hour at a time (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311591)

From what I can tell, that's an improvement, which is why I use Opera.

Re:Only use the web browser for an hour at a time (1)

alexmipego (903944) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312145)

Actually I think they mean "only use IE for an hour at a time" because seriously, they think browser==IE and anyway I could simply use Firefox addins to work on my computer. There are games and many other utilities.

But I bet they will not allow you to tell which browser you use, because then I would make my personal web browser with a Desktop, Text Editor, etc...

Old News (1, Troll)

Chazmyrr (145612) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311599)

Microsoft announced this 6 months ago at the same time they pushed out the Windows Genuine Advantage update. The fact that a paper thinks this is newsworthy now suggest they just haven't been paying attention.

Re:Old News (1)

matt me (850665) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311795)

>The fact that a paper thinks this is newsworthy now suggest they just haven't been paying attention.
The same applies to Slashdot :p

Re:Old News (1)

kubevubin (906716) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312025)

Whoa...Slashdot uninformed about something Windows-related? Hold your tongue, sir.

Re:Old News (1)

briggsb (217215) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312015)

The improvements to WGA [bbspot.com] certainly are newsworthy.

question I saw somewhere else (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311601)

This is a question I saw somewhere else regarding Vista, but I thought it was a good one, so I'll post it here. MS has partially justified their high OS prices in the past to help cover the costs of sales lost to piracy. If they make it virtually impossible to pirate the OS (which it sounds like their goal is with Vista), will the cost of the OS come down at all?

Re:question I saw somewhere else (1)

fnj (64210) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311737)

If they make it virtually impossible to pirate the OS (which it sounds like their goal is with Vista), will the cost of the OS come down at all?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

Re:question I saw somewhere else (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16312007)

"Reply hazy. Buy again."

Re:question I saw somewhere else (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311979)

Maybe when people don't buy it, the price will go down. And they will spin it as saying their piracy program was successful.

Re:question I saw somewhere else (2, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312095)

A more interesting question is, if they make it difficult to pirate the OS, how much will their market share go down? I keep a small Windows XP partition on my ThinkPad kicking around for the occasional game, but I wouldn't even do that if they didn't give me a free copy. Whenever I boot into it, I am reminded of how far Windows is away from being ready for the desktop.

Of course, not everyone gets free copies of Windows. I suspect a lot of home users got 'free' (i.e. pirated) copies from a friend, and would switch to something else if Windows stopped working rather than paying the $150 (or whatever Windows costs these days) for a legal copy.

What kind of draconian bulls**t is this? (0, Redundant)

DittoBox (978894) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311611)

We don't *think* you purchased our product. Let's cut you off now, mkay?

Re:What kind of draconian bulls**t is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16312107)

It's draconian, sure, but you don't have to buy Vista. You could do what everyone else will likely do and stick with XP (or 2000, or 98, or 95, or even 3.1).

This was expected (1)

SaidinUnleashed (797936) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311617)

so it's not news. When Singularity [wikipedia.org] is released, you will have to have a MicroSoft representitive on-site to be able to use it anyway.

Besides, I won't be buying Wondews Vespa anyway.

Re:This was expected (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311755)

Wow, an OS that is so dense that creativity and productivity cannot escape its event horizon.

Re:This was expected (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311985)

I don't think Singularity is meant for release, just research and development.

How wonderful! (0, Flamebait)

JoeWalsh (32530) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311635)

Now if they could just make the software secure, they might have something worth buying.

i see this as an answer (1)

thedrunkensailor (992824) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311641)

If a legitimate copy is not bought within 30 days, the system will curtail functionality much further by restricting users to just the Web browser for an hour at a time

i see this a the SOLUTION to not being on slashdot excessively

cracked! (1)

rm999 (775449) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311659)

"If a legitimate copy is not bought within 30 days, the system will curtail functionality much further by restricting users to just the Web browser for an hour at a time, said Thomas Lindeman, Microsoft senior product manager."

That's about how long it would take me to find and download a crack ;)

Re:cracked! (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311899)

That's about how long it would take me to find and download a crack ;)

That's about how long it will take me to download Linux. As I said in this [slashdot.org] post about WGA, I'm no longer interested in playing MSFT's games. If I didn't have to have a Windows PC at home for my wife to do her job, I wouldn't be using Windows at all.

I *despise* Linux on the desktop but I'm not about to use a crack that could be open me to more attacks than using the vanilla MSFT OS, have to deal with MSFT, and pay the crazy price point that they want for Vista. Nevermind the fact that my current machines will probably run the OS like shit.

I'll suffer with OS X (which I also despise as a desktop OS), Linux, and my current interation of XP (heavily firewalled).

It's unfortunate that this will do nothing but piss people off. But will that change anything? Nope.

Possible backlash? (5, Insightful)

BunnyClaws (753889) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311665)

Microsoft also is adding ways to more closely monitor for piracy among big corporate users, who tend to buy licenses in bulk. Microsoft plans to take similar tough measures with the forthcoming version of its Windows server software, dubbed "Longhorn," and to incorporate it into other products down the road.
What happens when Microsoft comes up with false-positives with corporate desktops and servers who use an enterprise license? I don't imagine large corporations would tolerate this happening. This could possibly create some serious backlash.

Re:Possible backlash? (1)

throx (42621) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312117)

The Enterprise licensing operates differently. Apparently you install a licensing server at your business and point the clients to that rather than pointing at Microsoft's servers.

And there is the obvious weakness.

Are you kidding me (5, Insightful)

hiltmon (687674) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311681)

I'll stick with OS X and XP under Parallels, no ways I am letting MS install software on **MY** computer that can prevent me from accessing **MY** data. EVER! And its not going anywhere near my corporate network either. Fat chance! What if someone uses the same key as me, does this mean they can lock me or my company down remotely? Yikes!

Choice (1)

tobybuk (633332) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311695)

Remember, you DO have a choice in which OS you want to install. If you don't like this then don't subscribe to it.

eh? (5, Insightful)

TigerPlish (174064) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311811)

Geeks with curiosity, knowledge and a hankering for tinkering have a choice.

Joe Muggle and his gramma and grampa don't have a choice. Not yet anyway.

Unless they buy a mac, that is. And then, they'll be at Apple's mercy.

With an OS like this who needs Virii? (5, Interesting)

OneMemeMofo (901314) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311701)

The thing about this that worries me most is how long will it take a virus writer to learn how to mimic the invalid reply. I know Vista is supposed to be Virii proof due to how it will ask the user about any changes. However it seems that these types of strict DRM measures could be a hole in their anti-virii armor...

Re:With an OS like this who needs Virii? (1)

XenoPhage (242134) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311965)

Yeah, but the virus doesn't need to run on Vista to send the reply. I can see a virus spread on all those old Windows 95/98/ME/XP machines that slams MS with invalid replies, causing valid licenses to be revoked. As another comment stated, this would result in a massive DDoS about 30 days later...

Re:With an OS like this who needs Virii? (1)

EvilMonkeySlayer (826044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312047)

I can pretty much guarantee you that viruses will appear on Vista pretty damn quickly, never underestimate the stupidity of users.

Also, after trying the Vista betas the first thing I disabled every single time was UAC.. I strongly suspect a lot of people will do the same, just to get rid of the annoying UAC window popups for the most menial of things.

For example, just a couple of days ago one of my bosses at work brought his home machine in complaining that it wouldn't boot etc.
Turns out, even though AVG and Lavasofts Ad-Aware were installed they were still stupid (it was used by more than one person) enough to quite hapilly run/install any programs they downloaded from p2p, via emails etc. It had roughly 100 trojans/viruses (I kid you not) on it.

This will get cracked. (4, Informative)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311713)

I'm sure this will be cracked before it even comes out. Why should I even switch to Vista? XP is stable (relatively) and runs fast enough. When I was running 98, upgrading to 2000/XP was a huge improvement in terms of stability, but I don't see any improvements that I'll find useful. Unless games start only running on Vista, I don't see myself changing over to Vista. I wish games ran on Linux natively. I would have switched a long time ago.

Re:This will get cracked. (4, Insightful)

BunnyClaws (753889) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311793)

Why should I even switch to Vista? XP is stable (relatively) and runs fast enough.
Microsoft will force people off of XP and 2000 by refusing to support the OS and stop issuing security patches.

Re:This will get cracked. (1)

DirtEater (961683) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311861)

Unless games start only running on Vista, I don't see myself changing over to Vista. DirectX 10 will require Vista.

Re:This will get cracked. (1)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312029)

Great. I guess I have no choice if I want to play games. It looks like they increased the price too. I wish games were developed for Linux/OpenGL. If that were the case, I can just install Ubuntu and be happy.

Re:This will get cracked. (2, Informative)

XenoPhage (242134) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311911)

DirectX 10 is Vista only. This means that in the future (3-5 years is the current estimate), games will be written using DirectX 10 exclusively, thus locking you into Vista. Of course, this also means that MS will be releasing the XBox 720 by then because the 360 does not support DX10.

Re:This will get cracked. (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312173)

When that time comes, I will kiss my PC gaming days goodbye.

It will include more... (1)

webword (82711) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311719)

...lines of code too, I bet. This is a "master of the obvious" type of article and it frustrates me.

Perhaps the interesting comment isn't that there will be anti-piracy measures, but how the anti-piracy measures will be deployed. To point, what is the technology behind this statement: The company also said it has added more sophisticated technology for monitoring whether a system is pirated.

"If you're a pirate, we're not going to give you all the functionality!" Um, OK. This isn't really news.

Re:It will include more... (3, Informative)

Haiku 4 U (580059) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312077)

This is news because
the pirates often have *more*
functionality.

Di34 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311721)

Firefox (1)

celardore (844933) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311723)

If a legitimate copy is not bought within 30 days, the system will curtail functionality much further by restricting users to just the Web browser for an hour at a time

So, basically another win for Firefox.

MS Calls the Shots on Your License Keys? (5, Insightful)

alphasubzero949 (945598) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311735)

From the Ars article:

Unlike Windows XP, Vista will monitor the activation status of the computer even after the initial 30-day period. If the technology later decides that a key is no longer valid, through either a software update or via some other means, it will give the user another 30-day period to rectify the situation.

So, in other words, MS has every right to revoke your license for whatever reason they desire? Am I the only one who finds this disturbing?

Re:MS Calls the Shots on Your License Keys? (2, Interesting)

hiltmon (687674) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311831)

I am also very disturbed by this. As an IT guy in a corporate, my bet is the users will ignore the message until its too late and then get pissy at us for not just fixing it (while we wait for MS phone support).

Oooh, I'm really scared! (1)

rhartness (993048) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311777)

It sounds to me like this is a foolish idea. I know that for 99% of most computer users a computer without an internet connection is, well, just an over sized paper weight.

However, I would be willing to bet that most individuals who would pirate software probably have multiple PCs. What's to stop them from downloading the files that they need or want to use on their Vista box on another machine and then "Sneaker Netting" them to the Vista system. Sure, that would be a pain in the tail but it would be an alternative for those who are waiting for a crack to eventually show up.

I'm not saying I'd do that but I'd bet that there are a lot of people out there who would.

Heard this before? (3, Insightful)

caluml (551744) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311803)

I think we've heard this with every Windows release since 2000.
"Oh, but this one will stop pirates."
"Oh, but this one will be much more secure."
"Yes, we'll play more nicely with the standards."

Frankly? I hope they make the anti-piracy measures 100% effective. More people might be pushed over the tipping point, and give Linux a try.

Re:Heard this before? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16312005)

Frankly? I hope they make the anti-piracy measures 100% effective. More people might be pushed over the tipping point, and give Linux a try.

If your marketing ploy is "At least you don't have to keep breaking the law" then methinks there is something wrong with your product. :)

Re:Heard this before? (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312153)

I've been amazed with the amount of times people say "I hate Windows". And then they carry on using it.

Sooo.... (1)

DirtyFly (765689) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311833)

M$ has all the right to do as they want, as you have the right to install whatever OS you want on your Computer.

Microsoft's balls are in a vice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311877)

And this is a perfect example. I'm currently running a ripped copy of XP Pro SP1 (because I haven't been able to figure out how to make it take SP2 without ratting me out). For running MS Office and my favorite games, this configuration is fine. But more importantly, MS doesn't seem to be able to infect it with DRM that will make me upgrade to a paid copy. Sure, maybe I can't run the very latest version of Windows Media Player but who cares? Media Player Classic, WinAmp and other alternatives are plenty.

This is the problem in a nutshell: XP Home or Pro SP1 are "in the wild" and can't be recalled. They're good enough Windows platforms for what most people need. If MS hits people over the head with DRM in Vista the only versions they'll ever sell are in new machines via the Microsoft tax. And the more annoying and intrusive Vista gets the more people people will consider Mac and Linux. Despite the pipe dreams of Linux fans, it's still too unfriendly for non-techies but over time I believe that will change. Other than those forced to buy Vista with a new machine, who's going to buy it?

Cracks, XP, Linux, and gaming... (1)

Godji (957148) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311881)

Well, that leaves two options:
1) Their system is cracked. Then everything is as before and piracy runs rampant to the benefit of MS's monopoly.
2) Their system is not cracked, in which case people just stick with (cracked) XP for years to come. When they are finally forced to upgrade (by artificial planned obsoletion, of course), they either wait for a crack to be made (go to option 1) or finally dump Windows.
But I know people who will never pay for software. My hope is that by that time (>5 years from now) Linux will be a viable gaming platform, either sufficiently Windows-compatible, or with many Linux-native releases. Then everyone will just switch over, sooner or later.

Warez scene to include stepped up piracy measures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311891)

Welcome to the wonderful world of escalation.

Really... but who cares? (1)

McNihil (612243) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311915)

Good for them. Microsoft *Windows* is not needed in any case and hasn't been for quite some time. Keep with Windows and stay in the stonage of computing or use one of the alternatives, either free or non free. I will begin firing any employee that insists on using windows in the forthcomming weeks thus the "no one has been fired by using Microsoft products" will not apply anymore. The bridge has been burnt, good bye Microsoft don't come walking here no more.

Announcement (5, Informative)

Daemonstar (84116) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311919)

Here is the official announcement [microsoft.com] made today by MS, if anyone cares. :P

Works for me, if... (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311923)

I wouldn't have any problem with this provided that it:

a) Lets me do offline authentication in a non-cumbersome manner.
b) Lets me do (a) for, say, an officeful of machines... again in a non-cumbersome manner
c) Is accurate, and doesn't decide to accuse me (or my users) of pirating a copy that's actually legit
d) Doesn't require me to call microsoft, and either sit on hold, talk to some guy with a thick foreign accent, or talk to a bloody voice-agent...
e) For corporate, see (d), but I never want this to happen.... talking to VA's for multiple machines again and again sucks
f) Allows me to move to different hardware without breaking a-e
g) Doesn't decide that my copy is suddenly illegitimate for stupid reasons (like the date being wrong, like XP currently does)
h) Doesn't send any of my personal information home

I highly doubt that anyone could accomplish the above, because the simple fact is that anti-piracy and convenience are generally mutually exclusive, and strong anti-piracy seems to always end up with a stronger inconvenience to the customer (while the good pirated copies run just fine without).

I hope it works better than WGA (5, Informative)

pscottdv (676889) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311939)

I am a member of the Microsoft Action Pack (MAP) subscription. It comes with, among other things, 10 Windows XP Pro licenses. I am currently using only one Windows XP Pro license from my MAP subscription and the WGA Notification Tool flags it as counterfeit. Apparently Microsoft is distributing counterfeit copies of Windows XP Pro themselves. Of course, the WGA Notification Tool says that I owe Microsoft a wad of cash to get a "legal" copy. I got it from them, how can it not be legal?

My daughters have a computer direct from Dell. The hard drive went out. When I reinstalled Windows XP Pro on it using the activation code on the sticker, Activation flagged it as counterfeit. I had to call Microsoft and go through a long and complex process before I could get to a human who let me activate. Guess what, the new (refurbished) drive from Dell went out and I had to go through the whole process again. This time they asked some rather pointed questions, but eventually let me Activate.

I have told all of my clients *not* to accept the license agreement for the WGA Notification Tool. Too bad they won't have that option when Vista comes out.

Microsoft had better get its house in order with this WGA stuff or expect a huge class action suit. My understanding is that it is illegal to tell people that they owe you money when they do not.

Nice Placement (0)

955301 (209856) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311943)

How ironic that this follows a review of a book on how software sucks.

A Genuine Advantage ? (1)

richg74 (650636) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311949)

If I were a large Microsoft shareholder, I wouldn't be too happy about this. We all know that no software is free of bugs. How long do you reckon it will take, especially with such a juicy target, before the "anti-piracy" system is hacked, and used for a massive DoS attack? Use genuine Microsoft Windows, and get Genuinely Hosed !

I really don't think it will make a dent in MS's real piracy problem, anyway, which is CD manufacturing operations in places like Russia and China, not penny-ante copying by Uncle Fred. Yes, some corporates probably do make and use more installations than they pay for. If they put this in the corporate editions, though, the lawsuits when the first corporate customer is crippled by a "Genuine Advantage" malfunction should be entertaining. (Just think: Groklaw could become bigger than Google. [g])

Correct me if I am wrong- (1)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311951)

But if I am in IE, in anything dating back to win98se, I can type in the address of what part of the computer I want to get to.

I wonder how they are going to curtail that, seeing as how IE is so tightly integrated with the rest of the OS?

Re:Correct me if I am wrong- (1)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312035)

Actually... finally IE is no longer integrated into the shell. Thank God, right?

Really. At least in Beta 2 (haven't tried the RC), if you type a http address in explorer, it opens an instance of IE. And, if you type a shell path in IE (C:) you get a shell window.

This is fixed by IE7 for XP as well, incidentally.

Re:Correct me if I am wrong- (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312123)

IE and Windows Explorer are being seperated in Vista, and the address bar will be disappearing from the latter in favour of breadcrumb navigation.

Come on, people (4, Insightful)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311961)

I can't believe why so many Slashdotters are complaining about the decision to limit internet access for a product that isn't activated/paid. Do you get better treatment at Wal-Mart for walking out with products that you ignored to pay for?

Microsoft is spending hundreds of millions of dollars on development and marketing of Vista, so it is only fair to ensure that piracy isn't as ongoing as it is today.

After all, it's your free choice to select from many other fully functional operating systems if you refuse to use Vista. Or even stick to a fully functional Windows XP.

Re:Come on, people (2, Insightful)

hiltmon (687674) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312097)

The issue we have is not paying for it or getting it legal like, the issue is that MS in their infinite wisdom can possibly lock us out later on if they 'think' we are using an illegal copy - even after we've paid for it. What if we replace the video card, requires reactivation, what if some software triggers it, reactivate or get locked out - no deal! Will not pirate it, but will not pay for it if they gain some control over **MY** computer!

Man.. come on M$ (1)

valkabo (840034) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311969)

M$ is making a big boo boo for a lot of reasons, a big one is that with constant updates to anti piracy measures(even more so then XP I am sure) the community will pull even closer together and become far more effient. Right now I can usually get a crack within minutes of its release(As can anyone with a decent torrent site/anyone that trolls around in IRC channels). It can take them weeks to make the crack, make sure it doesn't break everything.. etc etc

Takes a person a hundreth of the time to hit it off.

They need to adopt redhat's approach IMO. Offer some kind of Windows Support program, a phone line to answer retarded windows questions for old people. Then just sell the OS for say 80$ or something..

Re:Man.. come on M$ (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312167)

They need to adopt redhat's approach IMO. Offer some kind of Windows Support program, a phone line to answer retarded windows questions for old people. Then just sell the OS for say 80$ or something..

In other words, "Microsoft should lower prices".

A noble sentiment (Windows' prices are too high, but still worth it on some levels), but a bad way of putting it.

Out of curiosity, what would happen (1)

hiltmon (687674) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311975)

if someone hacked into Microsoft and changed the licance validator to reject all valid licenses. All copies of Windows would grind to a halt and ...

Good, hopefully they did a good job (1)

ozonguru (874002) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311987)

...because if the did (what I doubt), it might seriously force a lot of people into the free alternatives. I think M$ might find out that this wasn't so good of idea at all.

Breaking News (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16311991)

Vista stepped up to include all new anti-privacy measures. Microsoft execs will personally watch what you do with your unactivated copy of Windows and decide within the first few hours whether you will handle all your base over to them. If they suspect you of open source treachery, you license will be revoked, your GPU will be overclocked, and your laptop battery will explode.

Sorry (1)

Ibn al-Hazardous (83553) | more than 7 years ago | (#16311995)

I read that as:
"Vista to Include Stepped up Anit-Privacy Measures"

Nothing says it won't, but I was darned surprised that they'd have the gall to announce it as a feature!

Remember (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16312013)

Remember the furor when they took the first step toward this with XP? Quite a furor. Now everyone says "I'll stick with XP". How soon you forget. Remember this when you're saying "I'll stick with Vista".

OK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16312023)

"If a legitimate copy is not bought within 30 days, the system will curtail functionality much further by restricting users to just the Web browser for an hour at a time"

That would be fine for me. The only reason I foresee for the near future to use Vista is to check how our website looks in the default browser.

Adds to the confusion (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312055)

Now how do I tell the difference between a Windows crash and a licensing issue? Just want to make sure I'm cursing Bill Gate's name for the right reason.

What about reverse piracy? (5, Interesting)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312061)

Where thousands of copies of Windows are unknownly purchased but Microsoft does not actively try to refund them? I have a workstation right here that has a Windows key on it, but it runs Linux. (our SDK is linux only). Why hasn't Microsoft noticed that this product key was sold and never accessed their site, they know who bought the license they should just cut us a check.

Getting the actual windows refund is a lot harder now than it used to be. And with microsoft strong arming the industry to preload machines with Windows, I'm not sure why they are worried about piracy. If you bought a computer it probably has a legitimate copy of Windows on it (whether you want it or not). or am I wrong here?

Also, Vista isn't out yet? Will it support Duke Nukem Forever?

Install Vista without key (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16312063)

The build I'm currently using (5738_rtm) does not require a key to actually install (although the installer does not recomends that), you can install and 'test' any sku of Vista durring the grace period.

Our public libraries could use such a system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16312065)

...and so with our copy center. Knock out users or freeloaders after an hour or so of surfing. Save on licensing fees; promote your local library and PC rentals. Productivity rises because everybody's gotta get work done in under 60 minutes. /.-ers won't have to read TFAs because of this new excuse. Everybody's happy, including the ones that only boot it up for the eye-candy.

Slippery Slope of Morality (0, Troll)

HungWeiLo (250320) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312069)

See? First the Bush administration legalizes torture, now Microsoft is now legally able to restrict web access to only one hour a day! Where's the outrage!? Donate to Amnesty now!

legal quagmire (I hope) (3, Interesting)

Tom (822) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312101)

Over here in Germany, it is highly illegal to excert de-facto power of this kind. You can't just disable software "because you can" just like you can't just fire someone "because you can". The courts have a very dim view on what is, essentially vigilante "justice", because this kind of action directly undermines the power of the state.

I certainly hope that some big company gets its IT systems disabled by a bug in the restriction management and sues MS to hell and back. I know a few companies who'll suffer tremendous losses if their entire IT is down for a day or two.

Great! More Linux Users! (1)

TheCeltic (102319) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312121)

This will force those that illegally use Windows to switch to a REAL OS... Linux. :)

Vista Identity Theft (2, Insightful)

pkinetics (549289) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312137)

It'll only be a matter of time before someone figures out a way to steal MS Vista IDs and resell them. Then your computer won't work, and you'll have to prove to Microsoft that you do actually own it.

Brilliant!!!

This will be great for OS X. (1)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 7 years ago | (#16312171)

Hopefully the inevitable dependence of Windows software on Vista will send a lot of pirates over to Mac OS X for x86, which has had its copyright protections nullified with ease at every new release. Hell, if Red Hat were smart they'd work some sort of DRM-lite into a new desktop version of Red Hat just to pick up some pirates.
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