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'Ever' seems a bit optimistic (5, Insightful)

celardore (844933) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354705)

Granted, there have been some fantastic inventions in the history of man. Like the wheel, that's still going pretty strong and with a massive distribution even now. Will the iPod follow in its footsteps? Unlikely that it's not going to 'ever die'. So yes, it will. Might take five years, might take twenty; but yes it will die.

Article Text (2, Informative)

celardore (844933) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354819)

Seeing as the article was still in my browser, and is now slashdotted I copied the text here.

The iPod has dominated the MP3 player (and portable video player) market so far. It began the ultimate revolution in how we listen to our music. Competitors have come and gone, while the iPod stood strong, but really, will the iPod ever die? Well there are a few points that say NO and some that say YES.

NO! It will not die! (at the bottom of the article we look at the possibility of it actually dying, but for now the NO points outweigh the YES)


1. Its just too cool

The iPod has become so much of a cool factor today that teens prefer it over any other MP3 player. They don't care much about functionality, but how cool it looks. That's where Apple's ingenious design wins them over, and as long as the whole social group has iPods, it's going to stay that way. People just don't consider the Rio players or Zune cool looking: as the Apple sleek white design is just so much simpler. And Apple is getting better every day, with the recent introduction of colors (which we all love) and at even tinier (way cooler) iPod shuffle. So the driving force behind the iPod's success is it is the coolest thing to have, to use, to show off, to carry around; and it will stay that way at the pace that Apple is making it cooler every season.

2. Its known
When we think of MP3 players we think Pod. That was not true a few years ago, MP3 player could mean Sony or Philips or any other brand, but today the word that first pops into our head is iPod. The iPod is now global, even here in India we see the white ear buds walking the streets. You can get an iPod probably anywhere in the world.

3. Price
Apple always has very competitive pricing for iPods, especially with the iPod shuffle. That's one of the main factors teens look at, and combine that with the fact it's just so cool, hey, how can we resist?

4. Competitors aren't getting it.
Competitors like Creative and recently Microsoft (although the Zune does have a lot of potential) don't know what the current generation is and what they want. We want simply stuff, which looks good and works. While competitors focus more on functionality which not many will use, Apple focuses on pushing the limits of creative design: which many people appreciate more. Would you rather have a tiny glossy iPod which plays MP3s only or a bigger bulkier competitor's product which plays all known formats? Exactly. Apple made sense of it all giving us only what we will need, and sometimes more.

5. Accessories in all directions
We all love to personalize our stuff. Apple lets you do that with the countless number of accessories. It's like pimping your car with rims: iSkins for iPods, headphones with glowing wires, lanyards, stick ons and what not. No company in the near future can create so much personalization to match up with what the iPod already has in its large accessory market.

6. We don't like to change.
Once an iPod user, probably always an iPod user. If the iPod was your first MP3 player, you will probably never change if it's worked well for you. When you plan to upgrade you will go for the newest iPod, not the Zune.

7. Getting better.
The iPod is getting better every season. With smaller sizes, bigger drives, better functions etc. So far no company has been able to match with the pace that Apple has set in introducing new iPods which keep us anticipated to what they will do next.

8. Personal Touch
Mentally we are fixed that Microsoft is a big company with no taste and no 'coolness'. We see Apple as a bunch of fun loving guys which brings them closer to you than Microsoft or Creative. Their fun Ads on TV or their quiet sense of humor sometimes allows us to connect with the brand easier.

9. Killing the PC
As Apple converts even more people to Macs (and businesses) and as Macs get cheaper and more compatible with Windows, the iPod parade follows. More Macs, more iPods, more iProducts, more Apple.

10. Its just better
Well an odd concluding point but that's the truth. The iPod is just one concept that will probably never die. It might change its name, it might evolve into something completely different from today, hey it might even be bought by Microsoft for all you know, but the iPod concept, the iPod coolness, will live forever. Adding to that:

Apple knows how to sell a product. (evident from the iPod's success). With its addictive Ads, witty catch phrases, and good taste in music, they don't even have to convince you to buy it, you just know you want (even have) to.

YES! It will die! Well in this paragraph let's look at the possibility of the iPod dying. What are the potential reasons that could lead to its death? Well for one some people find it hard to keep pace with the models being released so often. The iPod could soon lose its touch if Apple makes one wrong move and tries to get into the whole "Lets protect the artist's rights" thing and prevent illegal music from getting on to it. Another possibility is the iPod becoming so so common that people will start buying other products just to be away from the crowd of iPod users and be unique. Hey, you never know.

TFA (2, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355101)

was pointless and annoying the firsttime. We really didn't need to see it again. Sometimes slashdotting is a good thing.

Really

Re:'Ever' seems a bit optimistic (1)

FuturePastNow (836765) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355005)

Well, I'm going to say it'll die around 2020 or so. I think that in 10-15 years, people will begin to recieve implanted cell phones (complete with bone-conduction speakers and subvocal mics). As soon as that reaches critical mass, all portable music players will go away as people just have their music streamed into their skulls.

Lets have a look at what could happen and why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16354707)

Lets have a look at what could happen and why

For what use ? Some jobless manager on a dull weekend...

Nope, never (3, Funny)

0racle (667029) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354709)

No one will ever create something people like better then the iPod, and no one will ever want a computer in their home.

Next up (4, Insightful)

tkdog (889567) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354737)

Will the automobile ever die, will toasters ever die, will stupid pointless articles written just to make ad money ever die? Stupid, stupid article.

Re:Next up (5, Funny)

gmby (205626) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354867)

"Service Temporarily Unavailable
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems.
Please try again later."


Ask and you shall recieve. /. Justice Strikes again!

Re:Next up (1)

dlim (928138) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355307)

Not that the article isn't stupid, but how do you make ad money with no ads on your site?

Short answer: No, long answer: Maybe (4, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354743)

But only if we Nuke 'em from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

iPod is that rugged? (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354865)

Yes, they're tough little nuts to crack.

Who's "we"? (4, Interesting)

nurhussein (864532) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354745)

In Malaysia, the ipod isn't terribly popular. Sure some folks have them, but it's rare. A lot of people do own an mp3 player, but it's usually of varied brands. The reason is that ipods are just too expensive for the average youth to own, and there is no iTunes service to download music from over in this part of the world.

Re:Who's "we"? (0, Troll)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355341)


>In Malaysia, the ipod isn't terribly popular.

The Ipod's market isn't really "Malaysia".

Consider a university campus in California with 30,000 20 year old girls. The poor ones drive brand new Mustangs becuase they can't afford brand new BMW's. They all have Ipods, possibly for no better reason than the white earbuds are a fad.

This is a world where $300 blue jeans (not exaggerating) are de rigeur.

Malaysia is a different world where you get executed by firing squad for possessing a joint.

With all due respect, I don't think Apple gives a floating crap whether kids in Malaysia buy Ipods. Maybe they care if kids will work for $25 a month in factories in Malaysia, I don't know, kinda doubt it.

Not even worth a mention. (4, Insightful)

Jartan (219704) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354751)

The article is just some blogger listing a bunch of reasons why the iPod is better than the Zune. Maybe if it were someone who's an authority on the subject it might be worth reading but after wasting my time I got the distinct impression that it's probably just a mac fan. Now that doesn't make his argument incorrect but it's not really worth a discussion.

Re:Not even worth a mention. (1)

also-rr (980579) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355207)

Some of the comments are worth a read:

The iPOD is ALREADY dead, in case you haven't noticed the Zune is CHEAPER, has WAY MORE FEATURES, and has WIRELESS.

Now, you would think that with a zillion dollars in he bank, Microsoft could afford some lessons in appropriate capitalisation and sublty for it's astroturfers.

Will the iPod ever die... (5, Funny)

bbh (210459) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354753)

It's battery does... :(

Re:Will the iPod ever die... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16354895)

And will people who can't tell it's from its ever die?

Battery Replacement Service (4, Informative)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354897)

Fortunately, Apple offers a battery replacement service [apple.com] for out of warranty iPods.

Out of curiosity, which other brands offer a similar service? I have a feeling the brand I stick with will be the one to offer the best post-purchase support. For one thing, it shows confidence in their product.

Re:Battery Replacement Service (1)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354925)

I don't find it cheap, though.

Re:Battery Replacement Service (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355041)

No, but it's better than having a dead product without having the ability to replace its battery. iriver recently started using a similar battery system to Apple; even though their warranty covers less material for less time, they offer no battery replacement service. All batteries die, at least Apple has a system under which you can replace yours.

Re:Battery Replacement Service (1)

isorox (205688) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355021)

Out of curiosity, which other brands offer a similar service?

My MP3 player runs on a rechargable AAA battery, Many stores sell them, and if the battery runs out while I'm out and about, I simply buy a 4 pack of normal batteries, and it carrys on playing.

Is it a fair comparison? (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355099)

Which is your MP3 player and are its specs and battery life comparable to those of any of Apple's current iPod models? I'm guessing it's one of the older iriver models? iriver has since started using a battery system comparable to the one Apple uses in iPod.

Re:Battery Replacement Service (4, Funny)

thebigbluecheez (1010821) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355113)

The thing about saying that other brands don't have a similar service is that it's true. I can't send my Iriver h10 to Iriver and have them put a battery in it. The bastards require me to push a little button, slide it off, and order another one for..hang on... $39.99USD. And they won't even let me ship it in so they can install it! I have to keep my player while they send me the new battery!

Why oh why won't they just let me pay them to do it!?

Excuse me, I've got a letter writing campaign to start.

Re:Battery Replacement Service (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355301)

Which is fine if you don't mind a portable product a quarter of the capacity, four times the thickness, less than a third of the battery life (per charge), and nowhere near the warranty coverage of the iPod 80 GB. (I won't mention video support as I happen to think it's a useless feature.) Even taking into account the $25 savings every few years, iriver's H10 doesn't seem to have much to offer in comparison.

The (discontinued?) H20 didn't feature a user-replaceable battery, good to know the new H10s do.

Re:Will the iPod ever die... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16355295)

If it bleeds, we can kill it.

So I guess the iPod's only worry would be the market in California.

Battery Life (4, Interesting)

cyberkahn (398201) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354767)

If I were average Joe who didn't want to take apart my iPod to replace the battery then yes. It's the only thing I hate about iPod. I am sure they designed it this way to. After all, by the time the battery dies, the mindless consumer will just want the latest iPod that is out.

Re:Battery Life (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354829)

Unfortunately, many manufacturers have switched to the iPod battery style without offering the battery replacement plan Apple does. For example, iriver.

You Are Retarded (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16354883)

All batteries die. Its what batteries do. Find a company that makes a battery that lasts forever, and I'll show you a flawed business model.

Re:You Are Retarded (1)

SuperBigGulp (177180) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355063)

The flaw is with the product design, not the business model. I assume the business model is something along the lines of "make as much money as we can as fast as we can based on false promises." Sometimes this ultimately results in jail time, sometimes a flight from justice, but the basic business model can and does work, sometimes for a *long* time.

Re:Battery Life (3, Insightful)

thelost (808451) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355093)

Most products are designed with a certain lifespan in mind. Companies realized that while people will moan and grumble they will still go and fork out for that new washing machine because they need it. That's why TVs and microwaves from the 80's still work, but more recent ones will only have lifespans of 3-4 years.

The moment companies start to design products without a limited lifespan the sky will *actually* fall.

Re:Battery Life (2, Insightful)

BalanceOfJudgement (962905) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355273)

That's why TVs and microwaves from the 80's still work, but more recent ones will only have lifespans of 3-4 years.

The moment companies start to design products without a limited lifespan the sky will *actually* fall.
This is sick.

Not pointing fingers or anything, not intending to flame or troll, but it's just.. sick.

Re:Battery Life (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355313)

One of the last aparments I had came with a GE monitor top refrigerator. Oh, sure, the lights went dim for a second when the compressor kicked in, but it still worked.

The second to last refrigerator that I bought lasted seven years. When I asked my fridge guy what gives he told me that a seven year lifespan is actually the design parameter these days, so mine hit the average. The fridge companies found out that people tend to change them for fashion reasons . . . on average every seven years, so that's all they make them to last now.

Nevermind that an ugly working fridge still has value for college student apartments or whatever, you can't sell new fridges that way.

Repeat after me, "The less stitches, the more riches."

KFG

"Will this server ever die?" "Yeup, /.ed" (2, Funny)

nweaver (113078) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354773)

"Will this server ever die?"

Well, lets slashdot it and find out.

Yeup.

RTFA (1)

mgmatrix (539969) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354777)

require("Intesting pithy comment about the Slashdot effect");

The pithy answer: Only when the customers do (1)

BeeBeard (999187) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354785)

It keeps getting mildly upgraded and resold to the same people time after time. It will die when they do.

Will the Walkman ever die? (5, Insightful)

dschl (57168) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354791)

July, 1983 - The Sony Walkman has dominated the portable cassette player market so far. It began the ultimate revolution in how we listen to our music......

Back to the present, the Walkman ceased to dominate the industry 15 years ago or more. The iPod will someday share it's fate. TFA is a lame blog article written by some fanboy who thinks he is creative, insightful, and discerning.

You know Taco, if it is a slow news day, it's better to leave the front page alone than to post "stories" like this just for the sake of filling space.

Re:Will the Walkman ever die? (1, Insightful)

MonoSynth (323007) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354917)

The disadvantages of the Walkman:
- max. 90 minutes of storage (120min just wasn't reliable)
- more storage meant more physical space
- relatively bad sound quality
- difficult to find songs

The disadvantages of the Discman:
- max 80 minutes or the length of an album
- more storage meant more physical space
- not shockproof, even shockproof versions could scratch cd's.
- quite large

The disadvantages of the iPod:
- non-replaceable batteries

The iPod solved the major problems of its predecessors. It enables me to take 3300+ songs with me (15GB) on a very small device. Of course, it's not perfect, but I don't see how the availability of new technology will change the perfect music player radically like it did before.

Re:Will the Walkman ever die? (1)

joto (134244) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355049)

The iPod solved the major problems of its predecessors. It enables me to take 3300+ songs with me (15GB) on a very small device. Of course, it's not perfect, but I don't see how the availability of new technology will change the perfect music player radically like it did before.

Well, I do! The perfect music player would be integrated directly into your nerves from the ear. Failing that, it could be operated into the ear canal. Failing that, it could be a set of headphones that didn't require a cord. For some reason, the latter is impossible to get, even though most mp3-players are small enough to fit on a pair of headphones.

Re:Will the Walkman ever die? (1)

plumby (179557) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355203)

The disadvantages of the Walkman/Discman ...
more storage meant more physical space. ...
The iPod solved the major problems of its predecessors

And the iPod's solved this how? The 30gb iPod is bigger than the Nano. The 60/80gb iPod is bigger than the 30gb. Any more than that and you'd need two iPods.

Of course, it's not perfect, but I don't see how the availability of new technology will change the perfect music player radically like it did before.
I can think of several tech advances that will revolutionise the music player in the next few years. One of which is when fast mobile wifi becomes so cheap that it becomes practical to replace the disk/memory card based mp3 player with one that streams from your home server. Apple may be able to create a succesful iPod that does this, but it's also entirely possible that it's too late to the market with such a device (in the way that Sony were with a good mp3 player) and someone else steals the market.

Apples and oranges (1)

JonnyCalcutta (524825) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355219)

You are comparing the walkman to the ipod, which is a pretty useless comparison. The point is that the walkman dominated early portable cassette player sales. The ipod dominates current (which is early in the day) portable 'mp3' player sales (although unlike Sony, Apple didn't create the market in the first place). There is nothing in the ipod that another mp3 player cannot do, just like there was nothing in the walkman that another cassette player couldn't do.

I certainly hope the Zune won't just replace the ipod as the defacto player, but if I were Apple I would be worried that it (or some other player, or players) will remove my market dominance. I don't know what could do it (or I'd be making it) but I would say it is innevitable and Microsoft stand a good chance simply because of its OS dominance.

Maybe it will be subscription licensing - itunes is an expensive way to fill 15GB of space. If MS can make a subscription model that is as easy to use and intigrate with the Zune as itunes/ipod then it could be a big selling point (note - I don't like the subscription model, I like to own, but I learnt a long time ago I am far from the median in most markets).

Joe Sixpack might love the fact that he can pay $10 a month and have his Zune filled with trackes he loves, tracks related to tracks he loves, suggested tracks, his friends playlists, related playlists (think amazon 'similar' and 'recommended' items) but all synced and put on his player when he leaves it charging. After all, most people simply don't have a 15GB core music collection and I'll bet many would be happy to see the rest of the space used with a changing flow of music.

Re:Will the Walkman ever die? (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355179)


You know Taco, if it is a slow news day, it's better to leave the front page alone than to post "stories" like this just for the sake of filling space.


Yea! And this in the middle of a breaking news: Firefox's source code leaked!

I have the link to prove it: Firefox's leaked source code

Grab it before Mozilla Corp. manages to shut down the server!

Re:Will the Walkman ever die? (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355197)


I have the link to prove it: Firefox's leaked source code


OMGWTFBBQ! Someone edited my post to remove the link... Are Slashdot and Mozilla working together to take over the world!?

Conspiracy! How's that for a SLOW NEWS DAY..

of course it could happen. (4, Insightful)

abrotman (323016) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354793)

There have been other companies we thought we never see a decline. For a recent example, look at the problems that Sony is facing with the PS3.

If Apple forsakes their loyal customers, and abuses said loyalty, they will lose their biggest cheerleaders.

Re:of course it could happen. (1)

TEMMiNK (699173) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355015)

I really wish people would stop saying the PS3 is a failure before its even released. I'm no fanboy but I am getting sick of pre-emptive Sony bashing.

Well (3, Insightful)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354805)

The iPod is a revolutionary device, although maybe not techinically, it has entered the conciousness of the public and it will be extremely hard for anyone to even try and match it's market dominance. The one thing Microsoft could have done with the Zune was to make sharing music unrestricted, but once again red tape has stopped it and the DRM will limit the function that could have made the Zune the better choice (along with Apple cutting the price, a move Microsoft didn't expect). I think the only thing to match the iPod now will be a device that is a mix of genres, much like the phone that is rumoured to be in development from Apple, if they can successfully merge the best features of an iPod (plus storage) with the good functions of a phone and make it stylish (not a hard job for Apple right now) then they may just have a chance of beating one of the devices of the decade. For other companies, it will be very hard to beat the iPod in the long run, and the only front I think they will have is pricing - which will only hurt their bottom line, as people will pay a premium to have the iPod. Congratulations to Apple on their market domination with this one, it's well deserved.

Re:Well (3, Interesting)

EricBoyd (532608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355347)

You've hinted at the real reason that the iPod is maintaining it's dominance - it's the DRM rules that the labels are imposing on everyone. Because everyone has to lock down their devices and music, nobody can play with an open strategy - and thus nobody can make an offering that is much better than Apple. Unless and until the labels agree to a DRM-less music store, Apple will maintain it's crushing market share.

DRM and Open Markets
http://digitalcrusader.ca/archives/2006/10/drm_and _open_ma.html [digitalcrusader.ca]

The pull of a trusted brand (1, Insightful)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354809)

There are trusted brand names in many fields of consumer technology: the Zippo lighter, the Brunton compass, the Victorinox Swiss Army knife, the Timex watch. Outside of the geek market, Apple's biggest challenge comes not from what their competitors have to offer as features and cool-factor, but from their own ability to keep excellent customer service and quality control while newer and more machines are turned out of the factory. Even yuppies and posers will have enough common sense to prefer a brand name trusted as "reliable" over cheaper or more feature-filled options.

I have felt no compelling reason to upgrade from my monochrome 4G: its battery life is as good as the day I bought it, it plays music, it works. I know that if my battery starts to die, I can send it to Apple with $100 and receive a refurbished iPod of the same generation with a new battery. This is something important to me, and that kind of customer service will be a factor in my eventual decision to switch to another music player.

Re:The pull of a trusted brand (1)

Deag (250823) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354909)

Also it is already a generic trade mark, so people will buy a "Sony" ipod or Philips one, yes it won't say that on these players but that is how they are referred to.

So as long as mp3 players are around ipods will be. And Apple will have a large share of that.
It will also be interesting to see if Apple can take the brand beyond being an mp3 player, so that when the next method of playing music comes along, ipod won't mean something old.
Walkmans in my head for instance still mean a cassette player.

iPod may not always be around (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355071)

Apple actively protects the iPod name. Big problems will arise for any company that uses the name "iPod" for their MP3 player device.

The beauty of digital media is that Apple has already done that: iPod currently plays AAC, MP3, Audible Audio, AIFF, and WAV. The only current format missing from this list that I strongly desire Apple to add (and you can sign a petition here [petitiononline.com] ) is OGG Vorbis.

Battery (1, Interesting)

sethwm2 (1006735) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354825)

OMFG I get a new ipod first thing I do is buy and extended battery from a 3rd party company works for years. That is what I did with my second generaton iPod. I will never buy a new I pod I will just replace the hard drive. This christmas I am going to get a bigger drive for it and I am going to get a replacement audio jack board for it. The cost of all thoes parts still does not add up to the price of a new one. I think that the iPod will die but Apple will still have the mp3 market with a new and better design that will be names something elce

All fads eventually die (2, Insightful)

DaRat (678130) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354835)

iPod is a fad. All fads eventually die. Some have longer legs than others, but they all eventually fade into a sort of background commodity basis if they don't outright die. Usually, you can tell when a fad is about to die when you see the fad and products for it everywhere...

iPod is a fad? (2, Insightful)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354855)

More accurately, the rate at which iPods are sold will level off. That doesn't mean iPod itself is a fad, just that consumers are approaching it with a "fad" mindset.

iPod itself may become the Sony walkman: ubiquitous, until CD comes around.

Re:All fads eventually die (1)

Bemopolis (698691) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355121)

Yeah. I mean, I used to see auto parts stores EVERYWHERE. Seriously, does anyone drive anymore?

Must be a very slow news day... (0)

poptones (653660) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354837)

What a totally trite piece of fanboi blathering. You owe me the last two minutes of my life back.

The saddest part is, so many of you really seem to believe apple is not simply a giant corporation. Does their stuff look different? yeah, it has to - and they spend a fortune on those "fun" marketing campaigns that have you so brainwashed. Oooh, look at me, I'm different because Steve Jobs tells me I am!

There, that's better. Now we're even.

Re:Must be a very slow news day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16354877)

Don't listen to him. Nobody loves you like we do.

Steve Jobs

Who said Apple isn't big? (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355019)

I don't use Apple products because I believe the company is small, I use Apple products because my research indicated that theirs were better products for my purposes.

I needed a new laptop. Windows was frustrating me and I wanted to switch to a Unix-like system anyway. I needed to use the following commercial tools: Adobe Photoshop, Macromedia Fireworks (as it then was), Macromedia Freehand (as it then was), Macromedia Flash (as it then was). Wine was not officially supported by those companies and would result in slowdown. Gimp and Inkscape were not viable alternatives as they did not contain many of the features I use most often (especially dynamic layer effects, which is still missing.) OS X was officially supported by both Adobe and Macromedia. I went with a PowerBook, and couldn't be happier with my decision. I still keep tabs on Linux, especially Ubuntu and its child distros, but in the meantime I have a solution that works well.

I'm getting pretty fed up with PC users who take personal offense at Apple and who assume that many or most Apple users are Apple users because of some idealistic view of the company rather than the sheer pragmatism that led so many of us away from Windows without the ditching commercial products we trust.

Probably not for a very long time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16354881)

Apple will do whatever it takes to keep the iPod on top for as long as possible, because it's a very strategic product.

The iPod is the "gateway drug" to get Apple products perceived as cool and easy to use-- to influence iPod owners to take a look at a Mac the next time they're in the market for a computer. And though it's taken a while to pick up steam, the strategy is starting to pay dividends now. Fortunately, Apple has some help-- the product's cachet, the "it's what everyone else has" mindset that helped Windows for so many years and, like the article says, the thousands upon thousands of accessories made for the iPod (not unlike all the accessory products available for machines running Windows).

When you sit down and think about it, it's a complete role reversal for Apple and Microsoft-- now Apple has the product that won the market-share war and has had industries spring up around it, and Microsoft's on the outside trying desperately to get in.

Maybe when people start trying to compete with the (1)

eherot (107342) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354889)

They're still one of the only major portable music player manufacturers out there with no ties to the content creation industry. If any company were going to beat them out with a better, sleeker, CHEAPER product, it would be Sony, but Sony has thus far been more concerned with protecting the copyrights of its music and movies than creating a portable device that people actually want to use. There are many, many obvious ways that the iPod could be improved upon: cost, battery life, interchangeable batteries, the ability to transfer music directly to other iPods (wirelessly), to name a few. But no one is even trying because improving on the iPod would make people more likely to "steal" music. And apple isn't trying because they already have a monopoly on this market, why should they bother rushing to innovate?

One thing many people (even iPod owners) keep pointing out about the iPod is that every product that has ever been invented to compete with it is only at best "just as good." This seems rather pathetic considering all of its shortfalls that have yet to be addressed.

Re:Maybe when people start trying to compete with (1)

eherot (107342) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354953)

Oh and lets not forget Ogg-Vorbis support, of course.

Yes and Zune will rule the earth. (1)

maf54 (1008577) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354893)

Articles like this are so silly. Does anyone obsess over the countless other mp3 devices? No. Get over the iPod already! There were mp3 players before iPod and many will come out in the future.

People have replaced hi-end audio with low-quality gadgets.
An iPod couldn't hold a candle in sound quality to a $99 record player with a decent stylus or even a modest Sony CD player with a 1-Bit DAC.

Try this: plug a decent pair of headphones into an iPod. The compare the same song on a CD player. You will hear the difference.

Re:Yes and Zune will rule the earth. (0, Offtopic)

Danzigism (881294) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354911)

HEAR HEAR!

Re:Yes and Zune will rule the earth. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16355123)

I found my record player didn't work so well when I went jogging. Not only that carrying around 30 hours worth of music was playing ruddy hell with my back.

And no I don't own an iPod.

Blogger typograhpy rant (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354903)

WTF is it with the fad these days of using CSS to make down-sized body text in freaking GRAY? I mean, it's annoying enough that it's smaller than you've set in your freaking browser preferences as the point size you'd like to read, but then they set it to 75% gray to make it even harder to read? It also doesn't help that displays these days have more pixels per inch, meaning that it goes from just being small to being microscopic. Ever since getting a MacBook Pro, I've been wearing out the command-+ in Mozilla.

And then you get this joker who ups the ante by changing the background to black?

Hint: try making the headlines bigger and leave the body text size alone.

Forgive the troll.. (1, Troll)

Epistax (544591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354929)

But I don't understand the attraction to begin with. As far as I know, the iPod currently (or used to) has these problems:

1. It cannot be treated as a USB harddrive
2. It can only use MP3's.
3. It is highly overpriced compared to its competitors.
4. The batteries are of extremely low quality (talked to someone at work just this last week, he said everyone in the family got one for last christmas (5 iPods), and 3 were dead by then).
5. It does not work in cold weather (say, jogging in the winter).

In addition I've used iPod's belonging to others. I didn't really like the UI (if I'm spinning my finger around a circle of sorts, when do I stop to make it get where I want?). I suppose I'd get used to it, but the UI seemed terrible to me compared to my iRiver. With my iRiver, I can change the song or volume without taking it out of my pocket.

So, what's the allure of an iPod if I can buy a rival for $100 with a better battery, better temperature immunity, better UI (to perspective), better compatability (ogg, treated as a harddrive)? I want an honest answer actually.

Oh and once again, forgive the "troll".

Re:Forgive the troll.. (3, Funny)

Trillan (597339) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355001)

Actually, all five of those points are wrong. The only one that's even debatable is the battery one - and I'm still using the battery that came with my iPod when I bought it in April 2003. But if by "MP3 only" you really mean "lots of formats, but no OGG" you'd be right.

Interfaces are entirely subjective, though. If you like your iRiver, that's great. :)

Re:Forgive the troll.. (2, Interesting)

Doytch (950946) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355045)

Like someone said, all five points are wrong, and especially the battery one, somewhat.

The batteries themselves are great, I'm using an iPod 1G battery in my iRiver HP-120, but the iPod's OS and the continuous transcoding of MP3 -> AAC kills the batteries. My iRiver runs for nearly 30 hours on the 1G batteries.

Re:Forgive the troll.. (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355075)

I've got mod points but I"ll respond instead.

  1. It works just fine as a USB drive. If iTunes isn't installed, then the iPod appears like a normal drive. Once you've installed iTunes, there is an option to reserver a portion of the space on the disk to be used as a normal disk. When you turn this on, the iPod appears like a normal drive when plugged in.
  2. Only MP3s, AACs, Apple Lossless, and WAV files work for music (IIRC). That said, OGG is not popular with the general public. The only format that has much acceptance that's missing is WMA.
  3. Yes, you can get other players cheaper. I consider it a good value for the UI, the integration, etc. I don't mind paying for what I see as quality.
  4. I have a series 3 and with my abuse it's battery has lasted a long time. I find it odd that 3 of the 5 batteries have died in a year. I wonder how they've been using/charging them.
  5. The screen can be slow in the winter, but I've often left my iPod in my car overnight outside (I live in Kansas, we get snow and all) and it never fails to play, spin up, etc. The LCDs response is noticeably slow, but it functions just fine.

As for the scroll-wheel content, I never had any problem. It was instantly apparent to me how to operate it. When you get to the entry you want, you just either stop moving your finger or lift it off completely.

If you want to change the song or volume without taking the iPod out of your pocket, you can do that easily with the remote (that's what it's for!) but let's say you don't have your remote. To change the volume, just use the scroll wheel (clockwise is up, counter-clockwise is down). To change the track to the next/last, just press the FF or REW buttons (on my 3rd gen then are separate, on the new ones they are under the scroll-wheel and activated by pressing down, they are a physical button).

I've got to say to me your response does look like a troll, but you seem to believe it and you signed your name. If you used an iPod for a day or two you may change your tune. Not everyone has to love the iPod, but most people do.

Re:Forgive the troll.. (1)

Epistax (544591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355163)

Gee, yes, I said forgive the troll (ok fine, forgive, but mod into oblivian anyway). Does anyone have any actual ANSWERS? Or just fanboys?

Re:Forgive the troll.. (1)

reagank (199707) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355231)

1) It can be used as a USB hard drive no problem. To manage music you have to use iTunes (without some sort of third-party solution), but you can still use it as an extrnal storage device.
2) It plays MP3 and AAC files, but not WMA or OGG. I know this affects /.ers more than most, but it's an issue I've never gotten. (Also, if you try to import music encoded as WMA, iTunes offers to convert it to MP3 or AAC for you)
3) It may have been over-priced at one point, but right now the iPod costs basically the same as most name brand competitors (i.e., Creative, Samsung, etc.)
4) Battery life, as with any electronic device, is a crap shoot. I've had a monochrome 4G for 2 years, and while the battery life isn't as good as it was when new, it still will go through a day with no trouble. I've had laptops (which I've paid a lot more for, obviously) that had batteries that lasted 1 year before crapping out
5) I live in Michigan, it gets pretty cold here, and I've never had a problem with it not working. Now I don't know if I'd take my HD-based player jogging, but that's not an iPod fault, it's a problem with physics... The nano or shuffle would work just fine jogging in the winter.

As for the UI, every one is different, but the scrolling interface for me is very natural. If you're spinning your finger in a circle, you stop when you see what you want on screen. It comes down to what you're used to, but there's a reason that Creative started using their "slider" style interface; a lot of people find the touch-sensitive interface very intuitive.

As with any device that's become iconic, there's a large counter-revolutionary faction that says "It's popular! The sheeple use it! It must be bad!" And if you want to be different, that's a valid point. But the reason it's become so popular isn't just because of a crowd effect or canny marketing, it's also because Apple knows how to make a product that, for a lot of people, is easy to use and just works.

Re:Forgive the troll.. (1)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355239)


>1. It cannot be treated as a USB harddrive

Yes it can, just not for MP3's.

>2. It can only use MP3's.

It reads several audio, video, and image formats.

>3. It is highly overpriced compared to its competitors.

It is highly priced. but "overpriced" is a function of the market. The market disagrees with you.
Remember, the Ipod's success is a gestalt of the point-and-drool simplicity of Itunes, the appeal of the minimalist design, the heavy advertising targeted at specific demographics, and (do not underestimate this) the fad trend of white headphones.

>4. The batteries are of extremely low quality (talked to someone at work just this last week, he said everyone
> in the family got one for last christmas (5 iPods), and 3 were dead by then).

A larger sample might give you better data.

>5. It does not work in cold weather (say, jogging in the winter).

I'll give you this one, but only because I don't live anywhere near that kind of weather, thank god.

The wheel control on the Ipod is well-received. You don't like it but you might find you'd get used to it a lot faster than you think. It really is a good design, at least for sighted users. I'd like to know how well blind users are doing with it.

>So, what's the allure of an iPod if I can buy a rival
>I want an honest answer actually.

If you prefer something else, then there is no "allure."

I will not buy an Ipod, because I don't just want a player. I want something that records. Not merely "records", but records to professional audio quality using pro mikes and preamps. If it happens to decode MP3s, that's fine as a bonus, but I don't care. This device must have *no* form of DRM, because it would be *my* music, *my* compositions, *my* interviews, *my* depositions, *my* recordings being DRM'd and that would be unacceptable. In its current form, the Ipod is completely unacceptable because it has a tendency to erase things without confirmation. It's sort of a one-way sattellite device meant to make the synchronization and population of the device a no=effort no-brainer for an Itunes user, and that's all. Take a file off of Itunes, and it comes off your Ipod, no confirmation. That's accpetable to some people, but to me it's horrifying. That, more than anything else, stops me from buying an Ipod for myself.

I have bought them as gifts (you can get 60GB Ipods relatively cheaply now if you can find them because they are discontinued for the 80GB.) So far everybody is happy.

Personally, I don't like any of them. The barrier for entry for pro-quality recording is extremely high still, and this is partly due to arbitrary constraints.

Will slashdot ever die? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16354931)

From the crappy state of submissions lately it seems increasingly likely.

What will ultimately kill the iPod (2, Insightful)

bbzzdd (769894) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354957)

The day you can walk into Walmart and buy a 4 - 8GB flash player for $39.99 is the day the iPod will die. The iPod will eventually meet the same fate as the Sony Walkman did in the 90s once cheap Japanese knock-offs can be manufactured for cheap enough.

Sure, the iPod will die. (4, Insightful)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354963)

The Osborne 1 computer died. The IBM Stretch 7030 computer died. The Sony Walkman died. The Studebaker died... and so did the Oldsmobile and the Plymouth. Eleven of the twelve corporations in the original Dow Jones Index died. Elvis Presley died. The Soviet Union died. The United Society of Believers (Shakers) died. The Roman Empire died. Kepler's supernova died.

The iPod will die. So will Windows. So will the Toyota Prius. So will Toyota. So will GE, the sole surviving original Dow Jones Index company. So will the United States of America. So will life on earth. So will the sun. Even Jack LaLanne will eventually die (oh, wait...)

And your point is?

Dont know about the iPod... (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354965)

But the server hosting the article is certainly dead.

I'd say it is about cost. (1)

(H)elix1 (231155) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354977)

When I bought my 1G shuffle, it was cheaper than any other MP3 player that size - almost the same cost as many of the 512M models. At the same cost or less, I went with the Apple MP3 player. All of these players seem to be within $10 of each other, and as parts get cheaper, they seem to add more functionality to keep the price point high. Someone willing to make 5% profit on basic hardware could dethrone the lot.

Many folks have large collections of bog standard MP3's. I know I keep my CD collection in a couple milk crates once I figured out how to rip high quality MP3's and keep the original media safe and sound. The fact that my Shuffle can play Apple's DRM format does not matter to me - I have never purchased an electronic track. Same goes for Zune and the plethora of 'play for sure' devices. I just want an MP3 player. On the original purchase, the thought of using the iTunes store did come into play. Not so anymore. I'd love to pay half what Apple or Microsoft are selling their models for, and skip the ability to do 'pay to play'.

Subscription services are right out. I like to own my music. I suspect others feel the same way. Were I starting from scratch, on the music front, might feel different. Don't see that business model taking off.

Heresy, but I don't consider iTunes to be a fantastic way to manage large collections of music. I strongly dislike the transcoding to other 'protected' formats like Sony tried and sounds like the Zune is doing. It is worth more to me to not need special software to upload or download music to the device. Something that would, oh, just look at the player like a USB drive and play all the MP3 files on it would be great. Again, I'm happy enough with the Shuffle - no screen, random or linear track selection - so not looking to pay for an MP3 player that does all sorts of clever stuff.

So could something else win? I think so. A decent quality 4G MP3 player for $50 would be very appealing to me. Brand would not matter.

Why I'm shopping for something other than an iPod (0, Troll)

bgfay (5362) | more than 7 years ago | (#16354993)

I sent the following as a letter to Apple and the Better Business Bureau to see if anything can be done. If anything kills the iPod and I don't see that happening, it will be that a lot of them die early deaths.

My wife doesn't want me to buy another iPod now

I didn't know where else to send this so I sent it here. If this isn't the right place, please let me know where I should send it. Thank you.

My iPod Mini (4GB) died three months after I bought it. I brought it in to my local Apple store and they replaced it with another Mini. Seven months after that, another problem (this time with the battery) occurred. I was told to buy an external power adapter to solve the problem and that seemed to work though I had hoped to just charge the thing with my computer. Oh well. Then, literally one day after the warranty ran out, the unit began locking up, skipping, and having all sorts of problems transferring music. Bad sectors on the hard drive. Bummer. I brought it into my Apple store (Carousel Center, Syracuse, NY) and they tried their best to fix it, but it's dead.

Here's my problem: I want an iPod but my wife sees no reason for us to spend another $200 on an Apple product when our $200 last time bought us more trouble and less satisfaction than we ever could have imagined. So, for the moment, I'm stuck without an iPod, with a wife who is looking at every other MP3 player on the market, and profound disappointment with a product that worked for less than 365 days.

So what do I do? And what can you do? I would very much like to know. And so would my wife.

Thank you.

Re:Why I'm shopping for something other than an iP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16355259)

Then don't buy one. Speak with your wallet, not some assinine letter to a useless agency.

Honestly, get over yourself. Warrenty died. Sucks to be you. You had the option to extend it, and you didn't take it.

Re:Why I'm shopping for something other than an iP (1)

kencurry (471519) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355335)

dude,

Your problem is not with iPod, Apple, or consumer products that just don't hold up.

Your problem is that you are a huge pussy who can't stand up to your wife.

so sorry.

Will the ipod never die? No! (4, Funny)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355003)

No. It will never die. It will survive the heat-death of the universe, as all other protons dissolve in the uncountable trillions of years in the future. They will be all that is left in The End.

Next question?

It will change. (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355025)

I think that what the iPod is or does will change but Apple will continue to sell a product called "iPod" for a very long time. Look at the iMac. It's morphed twice into new form factor and added more total features than it started with.

Reasons why they are liked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16355027)

Many of the reasons this person states for the iPod being popular contradict each other.

Author States:
While competitors focus more on functionality which not many will use, Apple focuses on pushing the limits of creative design.

and then:
The iPod is getting better every season. With smaller sizes, bigger drives, better functions etc. So far no company has been able to match with the pace that Apple has set in introducing new iPods which keep us anticipated to what they will do next.

The what this person is saying is the iPod is popular because it is consistent and not bloated. But then claims how great Apple is with outpacing the competition with changes and innovation with the iPod? Which one is it?
Well, if the only thing that changes in iPods is physical size and storage capacity, why are people getting anxious, you KNOW that is what is changing. Wow, I can't wait, a new iPod is getting released next week, I wonder if it will be smaller and have more capacity?

Author states:
Apple knows how to sell a product. (evident from the iPod's success).
The iPod is the only product they have sold in the last 20 years that has has out paced the competition. The other products they sell are not even close to the competition. Come on guys, lets be honest here and look at the numbers. This is not a slam on Apple or a reflection of the products they sale, just pointing out the truth.

Author states on connecting sentences:
People just don't consider the Rio players or Zune cool looking: as the Apple sleek white design is just so much simpler. And Apple is getting better every day, with the recent introduction of colors (which we all love) and at even tinier (way cooler) iPod shuffle.

What is he saying here? White is sleek and easy and a good reason for everyone to love the iPod, then in the very next sentence, brags about the awesome colors that everyone loves?

Sounds like the author is just shotgunning and a fanboi. Basically, the iPod is popular and he is coming up with no real evidence of why. I get the impression that if Apple put an FM radio or recording capability or some type of functional feature in some models, within six month, this persons blog will claim how great those functions are. Since those and some features are not there, this person falls back to the excuse of "people just want a simple unit". Bascially, if Apple does not have a feature or functionalilty, obviously no one wants it and the product is better without it, when Apple does include additional features and functionality, suddenly everyone loves it. Remember video a few ago? Who want to be bothered with video on a audio player, everyone just wants a simple easy to use audio player. Oh wait...

 

Apple isn't completely safe (1)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355029)

(Article is slashdotted, so I can only react to the submission/summary.)

I realize that some people really like the iPod, but it never particularly appealed to me. There are a lot of people (in absolute terms, not relative terms) who don't see that product as particularly impressive.

What that means, is that they'll never get all the market. There's room for competitors. I doubt anything Microsoft can offer will ever be that competitor, but there will be someone. A few years ago, I though the Neuros was great (as far as features go, it was outstanding and whipped the iPod to a bloody mess without much resistance), but my car was just too hostile an environment for the hardware to survive (I suspect it was the combo of vibration when driving, combined extreme heat when parked in the summer). As flash capacity/$ dollar increases, the day will eventually come for a viable all-solid-state music player (today's products' storage are around two to three orders of magnitude too small). When that day comes, somebody is going to make a great player. And somebody is going to buy it.

When that happens, there's a chance that, instead of merely appealing to the I-need-features niche, it'll have widespread appeal as well. Thus, there's a chance (however small) that it could take over the fashion market where the iPod dominates. The only way Apple can prevent this is if they work on features and functionality (instead of just making it pretty and having good ads) to keep that niche closed. So far, there's little sign that Apple is going to do this, since (short term, at least) that's simply not where the big money is.

Re:Apple isn't completely safe (1)

mustafap (452510) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355221)

>(Article is slashdotted, so I can only react to the submission/summary.)

Dont worry, you didn't miss anything.

A Better Question is ... (1)

aplusjimages (939458) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355039)

... Will M$ ever stop being the most widely used OS and office suites? My guess is it will be like the iPod, if it can keep up with the trends and evolve with it, then yes it will be around for a long time. If it doesn't keep up with trends and falls behind, then of course it will fade. It's all up to the companies that make it not the end user.

deletes files without confirmation (1)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355055)

Any filesystem device that does not follow the idiom of explicitly asking the user for confirmation before deleting files, is broken. Yes, I know all about DRM, and I know all about Itunes and Apple's policies and all that, and I don't care. The Ipod will delete *all* your files, just because you happened to clean up your Itunes folder. It will *NOT* say "Are you sure you want to delete these 14,697 files that you spent the last few months organizing?"

That's broken. After seeing how that "works" for other people with Ipods, there is no way I'll be buying any such thing. I realize fully it's that way by design, and I don't care. I'll have no part of it.

Re:deletes files without confirmation (2, Interesting)

Chucker23N (661210) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355087)

Uh, what? I'm going to assume that:
1) you deleted files from your iTunes library
2) you set your iPod to sync automatically
3) you connected your iPod, the sync occurred, and the change (deleted files) was reflected.

How is this not what you expected? You already *got* alerts that you were about to delete something.

Internet radio (1)

egr (932620) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355083)

I will definitely throw my iPod away and buy Zune if it will have support for Internet radio

Not necessarily (2, Interesting)

iamacat (583406) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355085)

  • Will automatic transmission ever die?
  • Will burger and fries ever die?
  • Will basic camera shape/controls ever die?
  • ... Will music ever die?


Even though more advanced gadgets/control methods will come, people may still prefer the familiar click wheel interface of the Nano for basic music listening. Perhaps it will not be made by Apple, will have much higher quality/capacity or be a part of a multi-function gadget, but I think the design itself has made a lasting impact.

Re:Not necessarily (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16355143)

Will automatic transmission ever die?

Yep. Look up continuously variable transmission and infinitely variable transmission...

Re:Not necessarily (1)

iamacat (583406) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355189)

You mean they are not controlled by P-R-N-D levers?

iPods Resurrect! (1)

r00b (923145) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355095)

The iPods were created by man. They Rebelled. They Evolved. There are many copies. And they have a plan.

The interesting question is... (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355105)

... will *I* die? There's no conclusive evidence.

Apparently every human being dies sooner or later, but my fanboy club says I'm living forever since I'm better than the rest of the humans. Makes sense right?

Let's see, but I bet I won't die ever.

Re:The interesting question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16355173)

Robert Charles Wilson. Divided by Infinity

I'm upgrading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16355135)

My first iPod was a gift for someone else who never ended up using it. I used it and found that the podcasts were pretty cool (German, math, science courses). Then my work started banning MP3s on workstations and company issued laptops. At that point my 2G iPod got too small. So even though I rarely listen to music, I'll end up getting another one because lots of my collection is now in iTunes. Apple is probably "somewhat evil" as opposed to the Satan that is Microsoft, but I can live with it.

Ever die? My iPod ALWAYS dies (1)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355165)

First a bad hard disk, now a bad battery.

If this keeps up, I'll have to go back to vinyl.

What the hell is an iPod? (1)

1steve1 (73443) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355171)

What the hell is an iPod? I didn't RTFA!

It happened with the Mac (1)

Pao|o (92817) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355217)

If Apple slacks off and produces products that are constantly inferior to competitors then it is possble for the iPod to become another "Mac".

I once commented about ./'s lack of breaking news (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355227)

Now I can add that any real news (old or otherwise) has been replaced by amateur-hour blogs.

Honestly, I read comments here all the time of people being rejected for posting a real tech story, yet THIS somehow gets on the page?

Slashdot has truly lost its focus.

And When It dies, your DRM files will be worth ?? (1)

GodWasAnAlien (206300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16355321)

When your DRM player dies, and noone supports your old DRM media format, your DRM files would be worth less than your 8-track collection.
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