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North Korea Says It Has Conducted Nuclear Test

Zonk posted about 8 years ago | from the troubling dept.


ScentCone writes "North Korea says that it has conducted its first nuclear weapons test and 'brought happiness to its people.' Japan and China earlier issued an unusual joint statement saying that such a test would be 'unacceptable.' As of 11:10PM EST, the USGS says that it has not detected any unusual seismic activity on the Korean peninsula in the last 48 hours." From the article: "The North said last week it would conduct a test, sparking regional concern and frantic diplomatic efforts aimed at dissuading Pyongyang from such a move. North Korea has long claimed to have nuclear weapons, but had never before performed a known test to prove its arsenal. The nuclear test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (0136 GMT) in Hwaderi near Kilju city, Yonhap reported, citing defense officials." Update: 10/09 05:50 GMT by J : The U.S. Geological Survey reports a 4.2 magnitude quake; South Korean news is reporting a 3.58 magnitude event; the White House apparently confirms a nuclear test.

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If this is true (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360055)

It scares the hell out of me.

Re:If this is true (5, Insightful)

dorfmann (1010467) | about 8 years ago | (#16360179)

Nukes are the most useless weapon any country can have, simply because you can't use them. If North Korea nukes the South, the Americans will nuke North Korea; if the Americans nuke North Korea, the North Koreans will nuke the South. So both sides have to rely on their conventional armies, just like before.

Not only that, the North Koreans have claimed to have nukes for ages now. This sort of publically-announced test is just an extremely expensive and technologically advanced version of chest-beating.

HOWEVER, assuming you are American, if you (and a significant majority of your countrymen) allow this to scare you and both 1) reelect jingoist pro-war politicians, and 2) support launching a 'pre-emptive' war against North Korea, things will become very dreadful indeed for the Korean peninsula.

As a wise man once said, 'the only thing to fear is fear itself'.

Re:If this is true (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360205)

We won't be launching any kind of war against North Korea, pre-emptive or otherwise. Like all bullies, Bush is, at heart, a pussy. If there had been even the remotest chance that Saddam Hussein had had weapons of mass destruction, do you think we'd have invaded Iraq?

If anyone has anything to worry about, it's... /spins the wheel /round and round she goes /round and round /click, click... /click ... Botswana. Yessirree, Bob, we've got to fight them there, in Botswana, so we don't have to fight them here! Yee. Haw.

Re:If this is true (5, Interesting)

lordofthechia (598872) | about 8 years ago | (#16360311)

"Nukes are the most useless weapon any country can have"

Nukes may be useless in that it's pointless to launch them (unless you do want to bring about the armageddon), but they do have a purpose. Being a nuclear power almost guarantees that your country won't get invaded. Nobody would risk you launching your nukes as a last ditch effort to "save" your country.

Reason it's called a peacetime weapon.

Re:If this is true (1)

10e6Steve (545457) | about 8 years ago | (#16360239)

We are sitting at 7 minutes [] to midnight. Will the clock change?

9/11, late, anniversary (-1, Flamebait)

(fagging beta) (983460) | about 8 years ago | (#16360057)

Its been five years since that infamous day when our nation was hijacked by extremists. Alot has changed in that time. Now is as good a time as any to reflect on what happened to our nation.

On September 11th, 2001 a nation at peace was attacked by religous extremists.

On September 11th, 2006 a once peaceful nation is now run by violent religous extremists.

These "terrorists" use fear a their main weapon. A once great nation has been reduced to a clumsy oaf, stumbling over its own bad judgement. How the mighty have fallen.

Re:9/11, late, anniversary (4, Interesting)

tezbobobo (879983) | about 8 years ago | (#16360219)

Actually, this is not so much about terrorists as residual cold war thinking. Most political scietists would treat this as either the fallout of superpower foriegn policy from the cold war, or indeed claim that the cold war is not in fact over.

America is acting no different from usual so it is not right to claim it is run by violent religious extremists. That's a comparative qualitative assessment. It is instead run by what would be known as 'realist' (not the dictionary def.) ideologists - those who would unilaterally further America's interest..

Mr. Conspiracy Theorist here (-1, Troll)

suso (153703) | about 8 years ago | (#16360059)

I think you meant that headline to say "Bush administration secretly tells N. Korea to announce that they have conducted their first nuclear test before the November election".

Re:Mr. Conspiracy Theorist here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360079)

Lame response. You don't like Bush, that's fine. Many people don't. But to put forth blame on him things that are this ridiculous, is just outright stupid.

Re:Mr. Conspiracy Theorist here (1)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | about 8 years ago | (#16360099)

This doesn't work for Bush. Troubles in Korea only make his decision to invade Iraq look worse.

Re:Mr. Conspiracy Theorist here (1)

Elemenope (905108) | about 8 years ago | (#16360159)

You are using logic and rationality, two of many things that any self-respecting Joe who is scared shitless of the world is currently incapable. Remember, Iraq didn't have a lick to do with Al-Qaeda, but that didn't stop innumerable scared-Joes from supporting invading it to 'protect them from the scary world' or somesuch.

Re:Mr. Conspiracy Theorist here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360117)

Utterly ridiculous.

Re:Mr. Conspiracy Theorist here (1)

suso (153703) | about 8 years ago | (#16360157)

Utterly ridiculous.

Actually, what is utterly ridiculous is that you folks take my comment(s) seriously. I was only being half serious on the observation that this is happening so close to elections. I don't really think that there is a conspiracy here and my comment title of "Mr. Conspiracy Theorist here" should have shown you that I was being silly.

English. (-1, Redundant)

Borgschulze (842056) | about 8 years ago | (#16360061)

In North Korea, Nuke tests you!

Re:English. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360187)

You suck. Please stop posting.

Re:English. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360265)

Is that you, Mr. Foley?

Hardware? (1)

UnsungZeros (697310) | about 8 years ago | (#16360071)

Yes, North Korea has some badass hardware.

Verification? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360073)

After the tsunami panic, I'd assume that the region is absolutely rotten with seismographs under various jurisdictions. If they didn't pick anything up, I'm not impressed.

We don't know that they didn't pick anything up. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360135)

If they did pick anything up, it's doubtful that such information would be immediately released. The politics of this situation are extremely complex, and the various parties involved will no doubt be using their influence to control the flow of information.

Re:Verification? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360145)

Verification []

Re:Verification? (1)

BJH (11355) | about 8 years ago | (#16360173)

Uh... why? The Christmas tsunami was in the Indian Ocean, which is several thousand kilometres away from North Korea. Try looking at a globe to get some idea of the relative positions.

Re:Verification? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360177)

A. Verification has been made immediately by S Korea and others.
B. Much of the northern Pacific Ocean has had seismographs strewn about way before the Indian Ocean Earthquake. It would be pointless for DPRK to bluff this one.
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Re:Verification? (1)

Xiroth (917768) | about 8 years ago | (#16360215)

From the CNN Article [] :
However, South Korean intelligence officials said a seismic wave of magnitude-3.58 had been detected in North Hamkyung province, according to Yonhap.

They don't really have a lot of reasons to lie about it, and the US monitoring stations have picked it up [] . If this turns out to be false, I will be very much surprised.

Re:Verification? (2, Informative)

Xiroth (917768) | about 8 years ago | (#16360247)

The real CNN article [] .

Check link, then post - I always get that out of order.

south korea was first to verify (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 8 years ago | (#16360231)

south korea confirmed magnitude 3.6 quake at time of test, abcnews says

Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360077)

Now SK and Japan will build nukes. Iran now knows that nothing will happen so they will build nukes. Israel will test to show as a deterrent and then every Middle East power will build nukes. Yay! Time to adjust the Doomsday Clock!

This really sucks because it is seriously going to destabilize the world. One of the questions we need to answer now is that since NK no longer has the option to not test to get concessions, what are they going to try next? Threaten to sell nukes and missiles?

Re:Great! (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | about 8 years ago | (#16360189)

Threaten to sell nukes and missiles?

Why not? What is anyone else gonna do, attack them? They have nukes!

Re:Great! (1)

The New Stan Price (909151) | about 8 years ago | (#16360307)

If one is going to do something, it should be done before N. Korea is able to put these nukes on missiles and before they manufacture large amounts of these. The other option is to arm South Korea and Japan with Nukes. I am sure that China would love that.

Confirmed (5, Informative)

sholde4 (815798) | about 8 years ago | (#16360081)

According to MSNBC, USGS has just confirmed a 4.2 magnitude tremor at 10:30 am local time Monday.

Look at the seismic data. no spinning this one. (5, Informative)

macadamia_harold (947445) | about 8 years ago | (#16360193)

You can see the Seismic Data here [] .

And a global map indicating it here [] .

No denying that one.

Obvious (4, Funny)

suso (153703) | about 8 years ago | (#16360083)

The reason there was no sizable seismic activity is because it was a test, they only split one atom this time. But NEXT TIME!! You just wait and see!

Re:Obvious (1)

wkitchen (581276) | about 8 years ago | (#16360131)

The reason there was no sizable seismic activity is because it was a test, they only split one atom this time.
Was it a beer atom?

Mistranslation? (5, Funny)

EvilFrog (559066) | about 8 years ago | (#16360085)

Just making sure, the Korean words for "happiness" and "severe radiation poisoning" aren't similar, are they?

Re:Mistranslation? (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | about 8 years ago | (#16360223)

No, but I'd stock up on water chips anyhow.

Re:Mistranslation? (1)

NMerriam (15122) | about 8 years ago | (#16360275)

Time to find the old Vault-Dweller suit.

Re:Mistranslation? (1)

ArmyOfFun (652320) | about 8 years ago | (#16360321)

Pfft, vault 8 is loaded with 'em.

Sizemography (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360087)

At this moment, US intel claims it "can't confirm" the event. However, US geologists apparently can. [] Transparency is a good thing, especially when it's not intended.

Re:Sizemography - mod parent up (1)

indaba (32226) | about 8 years ago | (#16360151)

time and location at the USGS both match the story in the IHT

not a happy day for mankind.

Re:Sizemography (1)

Zackbass (457384) | about 8 years ago | (#16360259)

With the seismic data showing that something happened, my question now is which event happened first. Did NK perform a sucessful test which caused the disturbance, or did NK detect a natural event and declare it a sucessful nuclear test? The claim that "no radiation was released" makes me suspicious of the latter, but I don't think any of us have enough data to form much of an opinion on the matter.

Re:Sizemography (1)

hobbesmaster (592205) | about 8 years ago | (#16360289)

China says that they were informed of the test 20 minutes before it happened - this must be why that measure was taken.

(China went on to inform RoK, Japanese and US governments)

Whitehouse confirms, downplays (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360323)

here [] . Fox News apparently got the tip first.

How the heck ... (5, Funny)

quax (19371) | about 8 years ago | (#16360089)

... did North Korea get its hands on Saddam's missing WMDs?

Re:How the heck ... (4, Funny)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 8 years ago | (#16360299)

Well... first Saddam shipped them to Syria

[Insert "Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego" theme song] []


[Insert "Family Circus" map] []


And that's how they got to North Korea

Re:How the heck ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360305)

Doesn't matter. What matters is that Bush must strike now!

Oh wait.. he only does that when he's sure there is no threat of WMDs? My bad.

Not for use, only for SALE! (1, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 8 years ago | (#16360093)

That's right ladies and germs. This technology is for SALE to the highest bidder...along with our drugs, weapons, and counterfit US money.

Wait wait...Iran just made a deal to purchase it from them. Sorry folks, sold out of our last remaining A-Bombs. What's that? you want us to deliver it to Israel for you? That will cost extra in shipping and handling you know!

Re:Not for use, only for SALE! (1)

QuantumG (50515) | about 8 years ago | (#16360119)

That will cost extra in shipping and handling you know!

Don't you know? They're selling ICBMs now too.

Re:Not for use, only for SALE! (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 8 years ago | (#16360137)

I wonder if anyone got the memo that they are still in beta. But who cares when you can polish a turd and bank on it. ;)

Re:Not for use, only for SALE! (1)

uncle_riley (655260) | about 8 years ago | (#16360141)

Don't you know? They're selling ICBMs now too.

Yeah but I'd opt for the extended warrenty on those.

Solutions (1)

Famatra (669740) | about 8 years ago | (#16360199)

The solution is for countries that are paying off North Korea with bribe food, oil etc. to stop now and let the regiem crumble.

Re:Solutions (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 8 years ago | (#16360277)

regimes crumble much faster when they're nuked

Another missed opportunity (3, Funny)

lymond01 (314120) | about 8 years ago | (#16360095)

I guess we won't be invading North Korea anytime soon. If this is true, Pyongyang might be a psychotic dictator leading his country into chaos (sounds oddly familiar, doesn't it?), but he's smart enough to know how to keep the U.S. of his back.

It's tough to be scared of your crazy neighbors when there's a crazy man in your own household.

Re:Another missed opportunity (1)

omeomi (675045) | about 8 years ago | (#16360163)

Pyongyang might be a psychotic dictator leading his country into chaos

Pyongyang is a city, not a dictator...

Re:Another missed opportunity (1)

dorfmann (1010467) | about 8 years ago | (#16360261)

Did you want to invade North Korea? You do realize that the USA tried to take over North Korea in the 1950s, at a time when its military, technological and economic power was at its height, and at a time when it held a monopoly on the atomic bomb, and still failed?

The only thing that has happened to day is that it has now been confirmed that an enourmous amount of money, resources, effort, and time has been wasted on the creation of a device whose sole purpose is to satisfy the ego of a shut-in dictator. They will, of course, never actually use the bomb; if they do, their armies and, perhaps, cities, will be replaced with thin films of glass very quickly. And they know this.

Re:Another missed opportunity (2, Insightful)

eric2hill (33085) | about 8 years ago | (#16360327)

No, the US can't move because the world already thinks we should keep our fucking nose out of other people's business. The only way the US is going to do anything millitarily in the next decade or two is at the behest of the UN. The people in the UN are pretty much impotent (see Darfur [] ) so basically we're going to clean up as best we can in Iraq and go back into a cold war status just bitching about others.

The only way the citizens of the US will support a unilateral decision to invade another country is when a nuke goes off on US soil. The next 25 years are going to be a radioactive bloodbath and hopefully none of it will blow over peaceful countries.

Freedom of speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360097)

They are just excersising their right to the first amendment.

Omg, they have WMD! Send in our troops, minus the sons of senators to sacrifice themselves for a noble cause.

US Inundated ? (1)

DJLuc1d (1010987) | about 8 years ago | (#16360101)

With the US being tied up as it is right now in the middle east, I see little that the military can do about this. I doubt political pressure is going to amount to anything either, seeing as Kim Jong-il is, to put it mildly, out of his mind. This is going to be left up to either the UN, or China-Japan.

Re:US Inundated ? (1)

CptPicard (680154) | about 8 years ago | (#16360203)

Not to admire the chap or anything (after all, his sense of style is horrendous), but I wouldn't call him "out of his mind". A dictator maybe, but clearly good at it -- he's got nukes now, and has gone public with them. He's been quite skilled in his maneuvers... much more so than, say, Saddam Hussein. And I do need to point out that not only does he seem to be brighter, he's also all the more dangerous than Saddam, and his regime is genuinely, actively being nasty to its citizens... which you couldn't really say about Saddam's Iraq of 2003.

Re:US Inundated ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360267)

The UN? Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Sorry, I thought you just make a joke.

Japan with the help of the US will pressure the international communities. Perhaps South Korea as well after their soft stance towards North Korea has been paid back with a test. SK's stock market dropped sharply right now. China and Russia won't do much despite saying that they don't want nuclear NK. They have the most influence during the negotiations and yet, they choose a very soft stance as if a rogue state led by a madman with nukes is not their problem (see Iran as well). They are NK's sugar daddies.

U.S. has not yet confirmed? (1)

caryw (131578) | about 8 years ago | (#16360103)

Interesting that the US has not yet confirmed such a test. In the past they have been very quick to confirm or deny purported nuclear testing by the likes of India and Pakistan. Perhaps it is a fake? Or maybe the yield was so low it was not detected?

Only time will tell I guess.
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Re:U.S. has not yet confirmed? (3, Funny)

creimer (824291) | about 8 years ago | (#16360197)

India and Pakistan are a different situation since they had gone to war at least four times since World War II and the next one could easily go nuclear. North Korea been crying wolf for so many years that I wouldn't be surprised if they just shoved enough conventional explosives into the ground to fake a test.

Re:U.S. has not yet confirmed? (1)

Chordonblue (585047) | about 8 years ago | (#16360211)

The reason why the US will keep quiet and doubt this publically is because Kim Il did this for publicity to begin with - why give him what he wants?

Re:U.S. has not yet confirmed? (1)

cirby (2599) | about 8 years ago | (#16360253)

"Quick," in the case of previous tests, was "the next day or so."

Nowadays, "quick" means "we have to spend a few minutes looking at the data, some more time figuring out how big the thing was (and if it's really a nuke test, as opposed to someone just setting off a bunch of explosives off in a cavern), and then typing out the press release for somebody to read at the press conference."

That last part probably took most of the time.

Atleast they're telling us... (2, Insightful)

Karloskar (980435) | about 8 years ago | (#16360109)

I am more afraid of the countries/groups who have nuclear capabilities but aren't telling anyone - should they exist.

Re:Atleast they're telling us... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360303)

Pah! Secret nuclear weapons? The real thinkers are afraid of the international plot to pollute our PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS! Be afraid, be very afraid!

(imdb - dr. strangelove (for those who are too young))

Update: Seismic info now confirms activity (5, Informative)

ScentCone (795499) | about 8 years ago | (#16360111)

USGS and other international players are now reporting 4.2 magnitude (Richter scale) tremor at the indicated time of the test. China says they got a 20-minute warning, which they passed along to the US and other western governments.

Looks like it will be a busy day in diplo-land, and a noisy day in pundit-land.

So what's the yeild amount? (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 8 years ago | (#16360185)

Can a fellow geek do some napkin math on this? I'd sure like to know the kiloton yeild on that puppy!

Re:So what's the yeild amount? (1)

ScentCone (795499) | about 8 years ago | (#16360249)

Can a fellow geek do some napkin math on this? I'd sure like to know the kiloton yeild on that puppy!

Listening to some topical experts that appear to have been dragged out of their homes and into the cable news studios on a Sunday night, there appears to be discussion about how NK was hoping to produce a "400 kiloton" yield... which is about 20x Hiroshima, or 10klc (ten thousand libraries of congress).

A White House source is being quoted as saying they think NK got much less of a yield than they were looking for, but that's sounding a little more like spin than truly knowable (and unclassified) fact at this stage.

Re:So what's the yeild amount? (1)

terrymr (316118) | about 8 years ago | (#16360313)

Sounds like the yield was low from the information about yield vs richter scale i've found so far ... of course I'm not a pysicist so I have to rely on other peoples information.

Re:So what's the yeild amount? (4, Informative)

terrymr (316118) | about 8 years ago | (#16360297)

From here: [] a one killoton explosion is equivalent to about 4.0. Maybe it was just a butt load of dynamite and not nuclear at all.

Re:Update: Seismic info now confirms activity (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 8 years ago | (#16360325)

and a noisy day in pundit-land.
I predict a massive surge in the use of the phrase "Glass Parking Lot" over the next few days.

What a lot of people don't seem to get is that South Korea wants to have closer diplomatic ties with North Korea, because closer diplomatic ties = closer economic ties. Both countries win.

(Kinda like the U.S. relationship with China.)

Walmart (4, Funny)

stinkydog (191778) | about 8 years ago | (#16360113)

Time to head to the 24 hour Walmart and stock up on ammo and bottled water. I think I hear the 4 horsemen of the apocolypse mounting up. I'll keep the mutants off my land.


Overcompensation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360115)

Announcing you've conducted a nuclear test is like bragging that you got laid while on vacation with your parents in North Carolina.

No unusual seismic activity (1)

CheddarHead (811916) | about 8 years ago | (#16360129)

the USGS says that it has not detected any unusual seismic activity on the Korean peninsula in the last 48 hours.

I guess I don't know that this is unusual, but here's the seismic event in question: akes/ustqab.php/ []

Actually, USGS did detect seismic activity (1)

rsargent (533171) | about 8 years ago | (#16360133)

While the slashdot report says that the USGS didn't detect the test, actually the USGS site does show a magnitude 4.2 "quake" in North Korea at 01:35:27 UTC. The BBC reports the test as happening at essentially the same time (01:36 UTC).

USGS site: ps/10/125_40.php []

BBC news report: m []

Re:Actually, USGS did detect seismic activity (2, Informative)

Change (101897) | about 8 years ago | (#16360229)

Here's the quake info: akes/ustqab.php []

If you go to the Maps tab it gives you this Google Maps link (tinyURLized): []

Take a look about 4-5 miles north of the estimated epicenter, there's a large complex of buildings there. Wonder what those are?

Funny... (1)

creimer (824291) | about 8 years ago | (#16360147)

I looked out the window and the world is still here. Must've been a cherry bomb.

north korea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360149)

Mildy off-topic but

Still a very interesting read [] about what north korea is actually like.

Take em now (1, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | about 8 years ago | (#16360161)

I know all of the arguments why we can't do a 'regime change' in North Korea and I agree they are all good arguments. But this incident just highlights the simple truth that none of em are worth a damn for one fundamental reason. Nothing North Korea can do now would in a fit of rage would be worse than what he WILL do eventually. Delay is only making the eventual price for appeasing that insane dictatorship for fifty years grow higher.

We could play MAD games with the Soviets because while Evil (with the capital E) they were also mostly rational. North Korea (and most of these arguments apply to Iran equally well) isn't even on the same planet with sane. North Korea WILL eventually start another war. There isn't any doubt whether he has WMD anymore and he has the missles to deliver them. The only question is whether we wait for him to start the second Korean War at a time of his choosing or whether we do it at one of ours.

Unfortunatly Bush is getting his nuts handed to him on a daily basis, the Dems have at least one and probably two more October suprises set to roll meaning we are set for at least a month more of internal bickering and infighting. After the election the Demos will be too busy scheduling hearings to consider uniting to do anything in the best interest of the country and the Repubs will be in 'bitter recriminations over losing Congress' mode Both sides are getting ready for '08 already. Meanwhile North Korea and Iran keep building warheads.

This impending disaster could have been prevented just like WWII could have. Instead a billion will probably die. But fuck that, the Dems could sweep the Congressional elections and if they can help send the US fleeing a shattered Iraq they could bag the White House too! Nothing is more important that that.

Re:Take em now (1)

DJLuc1d (1010987) | about 8 years ago | (#16360221)

On top of that, there is no freakin way Dems are going to let Dubya head into another war, and even if we did, the Germans had a tough enough time fighting on two fronts, America jumping into another war would only say to Iran that we are way to busy to do anything about you guys right now, please stop being crazy for a little bit. Although I think S. Korea deserves protection, the only way I see this being solved is China using it's diplomacy with N. Korea.

Re:Take em now (2, Interesting)

Retardican (1006101) | about 8 years ago | (#16360233)

North Korea declared the armistice ceasing the Korean War (1950-1953), "null and void" a few months ago. It made a lot of people (US, Japan) nervous, with China trying to keep everyone calm. Now that NK has proved themselves a nuclear power, Japan will definately *consider* preemptive strikes against NK facilities, and NK fearing such attacks will escalate their threats.

We should deplay some troops over there, in case things get out of hand and bombs start flying. Oh wait, most of our fleet is still looking for WMDs next to the oil.

Re:Take em now (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | about 8 years ago | (#16360245)

Your compelling argument leaves out the "old dictator is ooooooold" factoid.

Everyone keeps saying north korea is dangerous because General Wing Wong Poo-Tong is in the big chair. Wait 10 years till he pops off. Done, right?

Re:Take em now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360319)

He has sons you know, not to mention a tempting and a ridiculously huge army for any ambitions colonel.

Re:Take em now (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 8 years ago | (#16360269)

Politically, Bush is at the advantage.

By changing the subject in the media, no October surpises can top the news of us going to war in N. Korea. And do you think people will want to vote for the democratic party in times of another war? Historically, I would say "no".

Re:Take em now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360273)

And in what branch are you currently serving?

I would like to be the first (4, Funny)

sokoban (142301) | about 8 years ago | (#16360169)

... to welcome our new North Korean overlords.

Re:I would like to be the first (1)

waferhead (557795) | about 8 years ago | (#16360235)

SOMETHING blew up.

Is a 4.2 quake ~ right for a small nuke, or did they just stuff some fertilizer and fuel oil in a mineshaft to make a negotiating point that's hard to absolutely confirm or deny w/o someone inside?

What will China do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360183)

I think the one factor keeping the US out of N Korea in the past has been the threat of China taking an attack on N Korea as one on its own shores. This test really puts the N Korea / China relations to test. While I doubt the Chinese would like US troops just adjacent to its borders, it seems like China has to do SOMETHING to keep its prodigal son in line.

I fear for our world. (1)

BaronSprite (651436) | about 8 years ago | (#16360191)

With nuclear tensions now reaching a boiling point, the western world may now be emboldended into use of tactical nuclear weapons. With this test that brought "hapiness" it may also bring death to many koreans. I can only hope that the last age of humanity didn't begin today. Our world is in danger, with now even more powers of our world self-justified and ready for nuclear war.

Makes sense considering the brinkmanship... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360195)

Iraq, Iran and North Korea are listed in Bush's speech as being the Axis of Evil. Iraq is monitored and disarmed to the point of helplessness, and then it gets invaded. Iran is in the process of being monitored, reports are showing it isn't an offensive force, and suddenly the drums are beating to attack it.

Nobody knows whether Kim Jong Il really is insane. But he's not stupid. North Korea already had retalliatory capabilities in case they were invaded, merely by Seoul and it's 10-million-plus inhabitants being within conventional artillery range of the border. A nuke gives North Korea offensive leverage over the Korean penninsula. When you're living in a world where it's considered acceptable for the most powerful military to essentially fabricate false justifications for invading a sovereign nation, one can't have too much insurance if they're on the same hit list.

Mag 4.2 (1)

rlp (11898) | about 8 years ago | (#16360209)

Here's the USGS [] link.

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16360227)

North Korea hasn't received this much flak since they conducted that cherry bomb test in the girl's bathroom.

Get Kamiokande to verify... (5, Insightful)

Dr. Zowie (109983) | about 8 years ago | (#16360237)

Seismic results can be faked with conventional explosives -- 30,000 tons of TNT is expensive but can be amassed even by a small nation like North Korea.

However, the world's most sensitive neutrino detector (Kamiokande) is under 1,000 km away. If the North Koreans detonated a 10-30 kiloton device, several times 1013 neutrinos from it should have passed through Kamiokande. I don't know Kamiokande's exact quantum efficiency, but it should be able to detect a pulse like that. After all, it detected Supernova 1987-A...

Bad slashcode, no biscuit (1)

Dr. Zowie (109983) | about 8 years ago | (#16360281)

Evil slashcode, evil! That was 10<sup>13</sup> (10^13 in ASCII)

Google Map Link Here (1)

nxtr (813179) | about 8 years ago | (#16360255)

Google Map of possible explosion site here [] . Fortunately/unfotunately, Google is not able to give driving directions to this location at this time.

Lets look at the bright side (5, Funny)

Toxicgonzo (904975) | about 8 years ago | (#16360257)

At least they're not building Battlecruisers.

I think it was a dumb move. (0)

Starker_Kull (896770) | about 8 years ago | (#16360283)

The only reason North Korea exists is because of China, giving them food, oil, diplomatic sheilding, and just about everything else. China, and the country they don't get on with very well, Japan, issued a joint communication saying a N. Korean nuclear test would be "unacceptable". I wonder if China is going to be a bit more... interested in how to deal with little dictator states when they start disobeying, collecting nukes and have missles with the range to hit most of China's main cities.

Google/Yahoo Maps GPS Location of USGS event (3, Informative)

IdleByte (879930) | about 8 years ago | (#16360293)

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