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Firefox 2.0 RC2 Review

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the out-with-the-old-in-with-the-new dept.


segphault writes "Ars Technica has a comprehensive review of Firefox 2.0 RC2. It includes screenshot comparisons that illuminate the user interface changes that have transpired since the second beta, and it examines the similarities between the browser tab implementation from Internet Explorer 7 and the new tab management features in RC2. From the article: 'If RC2 is any indication, Firefox 2.0 is an incremental improvement of the 1.5.x series with performance improvements and a handful of relatively useful features. Based on my own experience, I consider it stable enough for regular use, but I endorse caution for users that rely on a lot of extensions, as most extensions aren't yet compatible with Firefox 2.0.'"

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Extensions (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372011)

All but one of my ~dozen installed extensions (largely developer oriented) currently work, with the exception being TBE. Firefox 2 seems pretty good, but it would've been fairer for this to have been v1.5.

Re:Extensions (3, Insightful)

kwanbis (597419) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372393)

you know about the many changes on the rendering engine, right? And how about the incredible reduction of memory leaks?

Re:Extensions (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372421)

Considering that the rendering engine has only gone from 1.8.0.x to 1.8.1, I wouldn't really consider that much of a change. Memory leaks are important, but not a full version increment worthy.

Re:Extensions (0, Redundant)

kwanbis (597419) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372447)

so, here you have some more. Visual Refresh: Firefox 2's theme and user interface have been updated to improve usability without altering the familiarity of the browsing experience. For instance, toolbar buttons now glow when you hover over them. We will continue to improve the look and feel throughout the release candidate process. Built-in phishing protection: Phishing Protection warns users when they encounter suspected Web forgeries, and offers to return the user to their home page. Phishing Protection is turned on by default, and works by checking sites against either a local or online list of known phishing sites. This list is automatically downloaded and regularly updated when the Phishing Protection feature is enabled. Enhanced search capabilities: Search term suggestions will now appear as users type in the integrated search box when using the Google, Yahoo! or search engines. A new search engine manager makes it easier to add, remove and re-order search engines, and users will be alerted when Firefox encounters a website that offers new search engines that the user may wish to install. Improved tabbed browsing: By default, Firefox will open links in new tabs instead of new windows, and each tab will now have a close tab button. Power users who open more tabs than can fit in a single window will see arrows on the left and right side of the tab strip that let them scroll back and forth between their tabs. The History menu will keep a list of recently closed tabs, and a shortcut lets users quickly re-open an accidentally closed tab. Resuming your browsing session: The Session Restore feature restores windows, tabs, text typed in forms, and in-progress downloads from the last user session. It will be activated automatically when installing an application update or extension, and users will be asked if they want to resume their previous session after a system crash. Previewing and subscribing to Web feeds: Users can decide how to handle Web feeds (like this one), either subscribing to them via a Web service or in a standalone RSS reader, or adding them as Live Bookmarks. My Yahoo!, Bloglines and Google Reader come pre-loaded as Web service options, but users can add any Web service that handles RSS feeds. Inline spell checking: A new built-in spell checker enables users to quickly check the spelling of text entered into Web forms (like this one) without having to use a separate application. Live Titles: When a website offers a microsummary (a regularly updated summary of the most important information on a Web page), users can create a bookmark with a "Live Title". Compact enough to fit in the space available to a bookmark label, they provide more useful information about pages than static page titles, and are regularly updated with the latest information. There are several websites that can be bookmarked with Live Titles, and even more add-ons to generate Live Titles for other popular websites. Improved Add-ons manager: The new Add-ons manager improves the user interface for managing extensions and themes, combining them both in a single tool. JavaScript 1.7: JavaScript 1.7 is a language update introducing several new features such as generators, iterators, array comprehensions, let expressions, and destructuring assignments. It also includes all the features of JavaScript 1.6. Extended search plugin format: The Firefox search engine format now supports search engine plugins written in Sherlock and OpenSearch formats and allows search engines to provide search term suggestions. Updates to the extension system: The extension system has been updated to provide enhanced security and to allow for easier localization of extensions. Client-side session and persistent storage: New support for storing structured data on the client side, to enable better handling of online transactions and improved performance when dealing with large amounts of data, such as documents and mailboxes. This is based on the WHATWG specification for client-side session and persistent storage. SVG text: Support for the svg:textpath specification enables SVG text to follow a curve or shape.

Re:Extensions (1)

Mr. Picklesworth (931427) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372681)


Okay, I'll assume you don't know... Slashdot, for some reason, requires that you use HTML tags for formatting - spaces in the form do nothing. See? Of course not.

That is also why the Preview button is very important.
You're clearly not new here, but am I right in thinking this is your first multi-line post?
Too bad. I was hoping to be the first in this thread to actually make sense in asking "You're new hew, aren't you?".

Anyway, yes, I agree with you. Firefox 2 is a Significant improvement over 1.5. There is a prettier UI, a spellchecker (and I'm using it right now), anti-phishing protection, nicer RSS feed stuff, session recovery when Firefox crashes, less likelihood that Firefox will crash...

Re:Extensions (1)

kwanbis (597419) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372783)

thanks for the tip. Yes, probably my first multi-line post.

Re:Extensions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16373159)

kwanbis (597419)

Yes, probably my first multi-line post.

Please, please tell me you didn't purchase this 'low' ID number.

Re:Extensions (3, Informative)

saridder (103936) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372765)

Less than half of my extensions worked, but even worse was that my theme didn't work. That made me go back to 1.5. And none of the spell check features in the forms worked either. Loved the "tab remember" feature where you can close the browser and it will remember all the pages you had open in the previous session.

Re:Extensions (4, Insightful)

samkass (174571) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372967)

Loved the "tab remember" feature where you can close the browser and it will remember all the pages you had open in the previous session.

This was one of my favorite features from Opera 4-5 years ago. Glad to see the idea finally spreading.

pun intended (3, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372023)

and it examines the similarities between the browser tab implementation from Internet Explorer 7 and the new tab management features in RC2.

One could almost say that they've been "keeping tabs" on the competition.

Re:pun intended (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372319)

I noticed the random Vista-ish styled tabs in it. Now it looks totally out of place with the rest of the browser, which looks built for XP.

Re:pun intended (5, Funny)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373149)

One could almost say that they've been "keeping tabs" on the competition.

That pun stunk so bad I had to open a new window.

? seconds until gootube announcment due... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372025)

there is no text.


Re:? seconds until gootube announcment due... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372189)

This is the reason why slashdot has dupes :(
I thought it was brand spanking new news...

RC2 woes (4, Funny)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372061)

You know, I installed RC2 on my computer last night after I performed the recommended hardware upgrades, and my video drivers wouldn't work, my sound broke and it kept bugging me about activation. It wouldn't even let me download files from my favorite websites!!

Oh wait.

Re:RC2 woes (1)

chris macura (899109) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372927)

The parent isn't a troll per-se. It refers to Vista rather than Firefox. It's sort of amusing actually. Perhaps +1 troll, -1 funny would be appropriate. :)

Solid, but no biggie (3, Informative)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372109)

I've been using the Firefox 2 betas and RCs since beta 1. It is, overall, better than 1.5, but there's no "gee whiz!" factor this time through. (Though I'll admit inline spell-checking is quite nice!)

Of course, as a web developer, I'm really looking forward to Firefox 3, which will be built on Gecko 1.9 and should have some good improvements to the rendering engine. (Firefox 2 jumps from Gecko 1.8 to 1.8.1 -- minor changes only.)

Oh, yeah, on the extensions issue -- admittedly I don't use very many, but most of the ones I rely on have been updated by now. At this point I'm mainly waiting for the HTML Tidy-based validator.

Re:Solid, but no biggie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372461)

(Though I'll admit inline spell-checking is quite nice!)

*sob* Does this mean no more Grammar Nazi jokes? :(

Re:Solid, but no biggie (1)

Rasdan (652786) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372719)

Nah, it just means no more spelling nazi jokes. :)

Re:Solid, but no biggie (1)

chris macura (899109) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372959)

Not my poem, but really funny:
Eye halve a spelling chequer,
It came with my pea sea,
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rarely ever wrong.

Re:Solid, but no biggie (1)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372891)

Tidy works fine. Just have to edit the install.rdf. I had like six extensions that didn't go up to version 2 but after changing the version line in the files it works just fine.

extensions and themes (1, Informative)

SilentGhost (964190) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372131)

out of ten most popular themes only 3 compatible with coming 2.0.* line, including one claiming up to 3rd version compatibility. of course change of default theme can make a difference for new users, but i bet majority of existing users would prefer they shiny thingy in place.

Re:extensions and themes (5, Informative)

J053 (673094) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372427)

To make your 1.5 extensions and themes work:

1. Download the .xpi file
2. Unpack it (it's a ZIP file, really) into a directory
3. Edit the install.rdf file - find the line with "maxVersion:" and change it to (for example) "3.*"
4. Replace the install.rdf in the .xpi ZIPfile with your modified one
5. Install the extension/theme: in Firefox, browse to "file:///wherever-you-put-it/whatever.xpi"
                                                                in Thunderbird, use the Installer

I have yet to see an extension for 1.5.x that didn't work with 2.x after doing this

not everyone is able to unpack a zip (1)

SilentGhost (964190) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372537)

Firefox downloads: 226547380 [] How many of those would do that?

Re:not everyone is able to unpack a zip (1)

J053 (673094) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372627)

Probably about as many as would download a Release Candidate vs. a release.

Nightly Tester Tools (4, Informative)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372615)

If you're too lazy to bump the maxversion of your favorite extensions, you can use the Nightly Tester Tools [] to fore the app into thinking an extension is compatible.

Re:extensions and themes (1)

loconet (415875) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372905)

Part of the reason why so many extensions/themes have already been updated is because The team at offered a t-shirt to developers who updated their extensions before a certain date. Seems to have worked. (I'm still waiting for my tshirt :p)

Is the big fat memory leak fixed? (2, Interesting)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372147)

It's kind of ridiculous that they still have such a huge bug at this point, but does anybody know if Firefox's memory leak(s) is(are) fixed yet? I'm really tired of leaving up a browser up overnight, and coming in in the morning to find my machine all jammed up because Firefox is sitting on 200+ Meg of memory for a single web page. It makes me not able to commit my company completely to Firefox (that, and a glaring lack of ActiveX).

Why ActiveX? (4, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372247)

(that, and a glaring lack of ActiveX)

ActiveX is a Microsoft technology. Even Microsoft is trying to get away for the security holes they've created with that.

Sometimes, security means not implementing something if it cannot be implemented securely.

Re:Why ActiveX? (4, Informative)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372367)

ActiveX is a Microsoft technology. Even Microsoft is trying to get away for the security holes they've created with that.

ActiveX [] is just an implementation of OLE and COM via the Internet Explorer browser. Anyone is able to write an interface that supports ActiveX controls. The idea that they are inherently insecure is an oft-proclaimed falsehood on Slashdot. IE's implementation has had problems, but that's not the same thing as the technology behind it.

ActiveX : Internet Explorer :: Extensions : Firefox

It all comes down to implementation of the interactive extension to the browser.

Sometimes, security means not implementing something if it cannot be implemented securely.

That is true enough, although the problem is usually between the chair and keyboard. The biggest problem with ActiveX, and the way it got it's bad reputation is users who click 'Yes' to everything. Give Firefox enough market share and it will become profitable for these malware authors to write extensions that screw a computer/browser the same way ActiveX can.

Re:Is the big fat memory leak fixed? (5, Informative)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372259)

Yes and no.

Because there is no big fat memory leak. There are a whole bunch of little ones that add up. They've fixed a lot of them. They fixed a bunch of 'em in the 1.5.0.x series, and a bunch more in 2.0.

I doubt they've got everything, but 2.0 should have less of a memory problem than 1.5.

Re:Is the big fat memory leak fixed? (1)

JourneyExpertApe (906162) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372705)

This makes me wonder why there isn't a widely used browser written in a language with garbage collection like Java or C#*. It would certainly cut down on, if not completely eliminate memory leaks. Granted, it would run a bit slower, but it would be so much easier to port to other platforms.

*There probably is some kind of browser written in Java, but I don't know of any that fully support all of the web technologies that we have come to rely on, like AJAX and, to a lesser extent, a plugin mechanism.

Re:Is the big fat memory leak fixed? (1)

jafac (1449) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373175)

hotjava was a java-based browser you could download from Sun for free, back in the 1990's.

Unfortunately, it only meets one of your criteria - the other; it was not widely used.

Re:What big fat memory leak? (3, Informative)

bunratty (545641) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372873)

I'm really tired of leaving up a browser up overnight, and coming in in the morning to find my machine all jammed up because Firefox is sitting on 200+ Meg of memory for a single web page.
When I leave Firefox overnight, I come back the next day and it's using the same amount of memory as the night before. Even after days of continuous use, it's using only about 100 MB of memory, as all browsers seem to do when I use them for days at a time. If you can show how to reproduce over 200 MB of memory use by having Firefox have a single web page open overnight, please do so. Is it some particular page that causes that memory use?

Re:What big fat memory leak? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372915)

Probably their myspace page.

ActiveX support for Firefox (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372979)

If you know a priori the full list of ActiveX-dependant websites your users rely on, you could use the IETab extension to solve your ActiveX problem.

The IETab extension allows Firefox to switch between Gecko and the embedded IE rendering engine for any given tab, which naturally enough has full ActiveX support. The extension also allows you to define a filter of pages that are rendered using embedded IE by default - if you preconfigure filters so that all crucial ActiveX-dependant pages are automatically rendered using embedded IE, your users may never notice.

The main problem for casual users would likely be the changes in interface (especially right-click menus) between Gecko-rendered tabs and IE-rendered tabs. They might find this quite confusing.

Almost ready.. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372149)

After upgrading to V2 RC2, its working pretty good so far. Session restore is pretty handy (now I can install new extensions, restart the browser and start from whereever I had left), and tab management is pretty good too.

Though there are some bugs - esp the toolbar customization needs to be looked at. My V1.5 toolbar customization is not sitting well with RC2 - esp the Search Engine. Its hogging all the screen from left to right, and I had to move it to its own bar (previously, it was sitting with Google Toolbar).

And of course, better memory management was a welcome change.

All extensions except on worked fine (had to disable extension compatibility check for Greasemonkey, and it worked perfectly fine).

My biggest question... (0, Redundant)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372153)

Has the memory leak issue been addressed in this version?

I forget (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16373033)

Good question. Hmm, er... where were we?

I'm sorry, the what leak?


Deliverance touches (1, Insightful)

Eric Pierce (636318) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372167)

What's up with the dirty old house?


I'm liking the OS X version... (1)

drerwk (695572) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372171)

The built in spelling checker is my favorite addition. I've not had much luck with the extensions that offered this feature. Now I'd really be happy if Firefox would honor the browser.tabs.loadOnNewTab - I just want my homepage in each new tab. I suppose I could again use one of the many extensions, but if the setting is there it should work. Any opinions on the use of large numbers of extensions verses getting it in the browser directly?

Re:I'm liking the OS X version... (1)

viniosity (592905) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372347)

I've been using it for a while now and the built-in spell checker is definitely a big plus. One thing that seems missing though is the ability to cycle windows with command tilde (~). I don't have my old copy of 1.5 around so can't confirm if that just disappeared in 2.0 or whether it never got implemented. Still, even with tabs, that's a nice key combo and I'm missing it.

Re:I'm liking the OS X version... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372591)

It works for me.

Re:I'm liking the OS X version... (1)

Secrity (742221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372875)

I prefer to see functionaility added with extensions rather than built-in. Added functions quickly add bload, just add the extensions that you want to use.

Tab changes suck! (4, Interesting)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372187)

I've been testing the upcoming version for a while and I hate the tab changes. The tab changes are crappy. I'm an experienced user and I think so and my girlfriend that is a casual user complains about the changes too. Sure, you can make things mostly act the same as we're used to but it takes an effort to reconfigure and still doesn't work very well.

Having a close widget on each tab wastes space and is more work than a fixed location, the drop down doesn't work very well and should only appear if there are to many tabs, tab scrolling doesn't work very well and is probably not needed with the dropdown listing, and more tabs should be allowed to appear before they start scrolling.

Re:Tab changes suck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372405)

I agree about the tabs. I used to think that, logically, each tab should have its own close tab button. Now being able to actually use it that way, however, it's terrible.

Re:Tab changes suck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372457)

Just so you know...the "middle-click closes a background tab" doesn't work on platforms that don't have a native middle click (*cough*OS X*cough*). The ability to close background tabs is a useful feature and FF 2.0 will enable everyone to do this.

Re:Tab changes suck! (2, Informative)

Dr.Syshalt (702491) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372611)

You can disable close widgets. I've figured out there should be the way to do that, checked and here you go

Go to about:config

Change the value of browser.tabs.closeButtons

1 - the usual look
0 - only the active tab has the close widget
2 - no close widgets.

Have fun

Re:Tab changes suck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372947)

What about one global close widget?

Maybe after Mozilla sees that the adoption rates amongst geeks is fairly low with the 2.0 series they'll change their mind...

Re:Tab changes suck! (5, Informative)

MacJedi (173) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373041)

What about one global close widget?
You can do it. The parent poster had an incomplete list:

0 - only the active tab has the close widget
1 - the usual look (close widgets on each tab)
2 - no close widgets.
3 - global close widget (at far right)

Mod Parent Up! (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373071)

Excellent, thanks. I always middle-click or Ctrl+W to close a tab, so it was nice to turn off all the close widgets.

Re:Tab changes suck! (1)

Skidge (316075) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373129)

Thanks! A value of 3 set it back to the older version--just what I was looking for.

Tab changes rock! (2, Insightful)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373065)

Mike, I disagree. I can see where you're coming from, but I for one like having the ability to close a tab without first selecting it.

"most extensions"? FYI ! (5, Informative)

arielCo (995647) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372211)

Well, I use a lot of invasive extensions, and I only lost Session Manager, which is unsurprising since Fx now includes a similar feature and they would probably step on each others' toes. Survivors:
  • Adblock Plus
  • Video Downloader
  • Inspect this
  • IE Tab
  • IE View Lite
  • JS View
  • EditCSS
  • GMarks
  • Google Notebook
  • Sage RSS Reader
All in all, I agree that this is mostly an incremental upgrade, and it is somewhat faster, but I'm not sure it deserves the new major version. Several tiny UI bugs didn't get fixed.

where is it? (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372493)

Well, I use a lot of invasive extensions, and I only lost Session Manager, which is unsurprising since Fx now includes a similar feature and they would probably step on each others' toes.

Where is it? I've poured through all the menus, all the preference pages...and I can find no mention of it anywhere.

Oh, I see:

It will be activated automatically when installing an application update or extension, and users will be asked if they want to resume their previous session after a system crash.

What about when I want to restart firefox for the fourth time today because I can't enter text into any text fields, or it's sucking up 1GB of memory?

Re:where is it? (1)

roger6106 (847020) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373069)

It's under options - main - startup. When Firefox starts: show my windows and tabs from last time.

spellcheck (5, Funny)

vivek7006 (585218) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372227)

I jst upgreaded to RC2 and I musht say that the neu spellchek feeture works lik a charm

Re:spellcheck (1)

burndive (855848) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372855)

You must not be new here.

Improvements for developers, too (4, Informative)

Black Acid (219707) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372233)

Probably the most interesting features to programmers are the addition of the SQLite engine [] , and significant JavaScript enhancements [] heavily borrowed from Perl and Python. You can use generators (yield statement), Pythonic iterators, array comprehensions, and what the Mozilla people call "destructuring assignment". Some examples from the article for the curious:

/* Destructuring assignment example - swap two values */
[a, b] = [b, a];
/* You can return multiple values from functions now */
function f() { return [1, 2, 3]; }
var [a, , b] = f();
document.write ("A is " + a + " B is " + b + "<BR>\n");
/* Easier fibonacci sequences with generators */
function fib() {
  var i = 0, j = 1;
  while (true) {
    yield i;
    var t = i; i = j; j += t;
/* Array comprehensions */
var evens = [i for (i in range(0, 21)) if (i % 2 == 0)];
/* New scoping semantics with 'let' expression/definition/declaration */
if (x > y)
  let const k = 37;
  let gamma : int = 12.7 + k;
  let i = 10;
  let function f(n) { return (n/3)+k; }
  return f(gamma) + f(i);

Good stuff.

Re:Improvements for developers, too (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372679)

I assume that when we say "JavaScript" we are talking about proprietary extensions on top of the ECMAScript standard. Is Mozilla just adding features to this for plug-in developers? I hope that these features don't exist in the regular browser unless you use the "version=1.7" option because that would introduce incompatibilities. Does anyone know if this is the case?

I concur... (1)

ViaNRG (892147) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372239)

Firefox 2.0 has been more than stable for me. I've been using it for maybe 2-3 months now to do everything I need to do online. I must have visited hundreds of new sites, never encountered with 1.5.x. Noticeable performance enhancements for style sheets, and in my opinion, a much more intuitive 'tab' layout. I think it's an answer for IE7, ready to ship.

Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (4, Interesting)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372263)

Whoever came up with this idea needs to be slapped. It's not _quite_ as bad as having a close button in every tab (which commits the additional sin of wasting a section of screen space that's already scarce), but it still makes a destructive action (closing a tab) _far_ too easy to trigger accidentally (by clicking _just_ the wrong part of a tab).

Having the tab bar suddenly become scrollable when you open "too many" tabs is another stupid idea. Took me a minute the first time it happened to realise I wasn't seeing a bug (tabs not being created) but a piece of awful UI.

Re:Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (3, Insightful)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372329)

Blame it on conflicting usability studies [] -- or maybe conflicting usability goals.

Close buttons on the tabs are good from a discoverability standpoint.
A close button on the end is good from a clicking-in-the-right-place standpoint.

Firefox has traditionally given discoverability a high priority.

Re:Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (1)

miscz (888242) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372381)

TabMix Plus dev builds work on new Firefox and you can restore previous behaviour, or whatever behaviour you prefer. It's a bit unintuitive to setup at first but it's a very powerful extension, I can't live without it. I think most people will prefer the new defaults though, it's more easy to understand tabs with close button integrated than having this button far away.

Re:Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (1)

PieSquared (867490) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372471)

Try right clicking on the "tab" bar. Now click "undo close tab." While I obviously don't like anything that makes me close a tab by accident, and it isn't an excuse for making it too easy to close a tab, it's a really useful feature. All in all while I (personally) don't think this was worth a 2.0 I *do* think it is a big step in the right direction and I don't see any reason why I shouldn't upgrade. It *would* be nice to be able to choose to have a "close" button on the side like it was before instead of the button on every tab. I'm sure there will be an extension to fix it (but it should be built in!). The spell checker is nice as well (extension doesn't end in "tion" as it turns out...). One thing I *don't* like about the spell checker is that it is tending to be a bit... jumpy. It'll tell me I'm spelling a word wrong when in fact I just haven't finished typing it yet (and this while typing at a pretty reasonable speed, I didn't stop or anything. Oddly, I haven't seen this as much when I type slower). The only other real issue I have (so far... 15 minutes) is that there is no defined separation between the page and the tabs. On a page with the same background as the "out of focus" tabs, it's kinda hard to tell where the page ends and the tab begins! Shouldn't there be a slightly different colored border or something?

Re:Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (1)

auspiv (769470) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372737)

to revert back to 1.x style x (where there was only one x on the right hand side) 1. go to about:config in the address bar 2. find Browser.tabs.closeButtons 3. set the value to 3 s []

Re:Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372931)

They should make that option easier to find :( Hell, even present it in the setup. I've seen LOTS of people hate switching that default, so it should be something easy for people to change...

Re:Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372785)

If we're starting a list of gripes, here's mine: I hate trying to save a download in Firefox.

First, I hate how it defaults to a fixed location (~/Desktop, which means nothing to my wm), and you have to press a button to "Browse for other folders." Next, I hate how there's no decent way to enter paths using the keyboard and tab completion in the dialog box. (Instead it shows the path as a row of buttons!?) I hate how some arbitrary bookmarks, "Home" and "Desktop", are placed above the nonstandard word "Filesystem" which refers to /, the root directory. Next, I hate how long it takes to populate the dialog for directories with many files - e.g. 15 seconds on a 2 GHz Core processor if you visit my /usr/bin which has 1300 files. Finally I hate the download manager which takes up half the screen and shows me all the old files I downloaded long ago.

Why, oh why, could they not just use some relatively normal file chooser dialog box?

Re:Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (1)

Myen (734499) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373063)

Isn't that just the normal GTK2 file browser dialog?

(If it is, press / to start typing... I think. I run Windows here, so I can't test)

Re:Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373157)

First, I hate how it defaults to a fixed location (~/Desktop, which means nothing to my wm), and you have to press a button to "Browse for other folders."

Do you use a new profile every time you launch the browser? 'Cause that's one of those settings you change once and never have to touch again, like setting your home page.

Re:Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (1)

towsonu2003 (928663) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372841)

file a bug report, or voice your concern on an exising one... that way, it can change.

Re:Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (1)

caseih (160668) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372907)

From what I can tell, you're in the minority. Most users prefer to have the close button on the active tab, and many prefer to have a close button on every tab. I certainly do. I can easily close off tabs I don't want anymore without have to click on each one to raise it to the top first. Also, having a close button on each tab only really works if the tabs are always the same size. That way you can close many tabs just by clicking in the same area. Before with tab size changing this was impossible because the close button (which I had on with an extension) would always change position.

middle-click! (1)

newr00tic (471568) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372997)

So, you cant middle-click an inactive tab to close it in Linux; -due to the paste function, or something?

In Windows, you'd just middle-click that tab, and it's gone.

Re:Close button in the active tab. Argh ! (2, Insightful)

nithinsujir (592733) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373083)

I disagree. I love this feature because I can close unwanted tabs without first focusing the tab. yeah, i know you can use middle click, but i prefer this way.

To see more tabs and minimize scrolling... (3, Informative)

mrawl (124150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373089)

To restore your sanity go to about:config and set browser.tabs.tabMinWidth to 50. The default value of 100 is a disaster and just about guarantees that awful scrolling behaviour.

Does it use WMP on Windows by default? (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372283)

'cos if so your internet tracks will not be erased.

I hope someone here is intelligent enough to come up with a sensible alternative or fix which does not involve installing Linux or another OS.

here [] is the issue, is it a problem?

New Obligatory Question (2, Insightful)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372299)

Re:New Obligatory Question (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373127)

Is it available for Debian?

Yes. Just download the Linux version from and install it.

Hey, you asked whether it was available for Debian, not from Debian....

useful tip (4, Informative)

vivek7006 (585218) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372387)

I found a really useful tip from the article

Unfortunately, the green arrow button is difficult to remove from URL bar, but it can be accomplished by hitting about:config and tweaking the browser.urlbar.hideGoButton, changing it to "true."

Re:useful tip (2, Informative)

hdparm (575302) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372645)

Not sure about 2.0 (I suppose it's the same) but you could always do it by opening View-->Toolbars-->Customize window and dragging 'Go' button back into it.

Re:useful tip (1)

code65536 (302481) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373021)

If it was, it would not have generated so much attention.

The upside, though, is that the Go button is much smaller and compact than before...

still has UI consistency/key command problems (4, Informative)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372441)

I reported this bug years ago and was told "probably won't happen until 2.0" and the bug was promptly closed/ignored:

In most modern operating systems, lists in dialog boxes can have a range of items selected by holding down shift, and individual items flipped on/off with a modifier key that varies slightly; in OS X, it's the apple/command key. Open up the cookies box, a place where selecting lots of items would be REALLY handy (ie, deleting all the crap cookies that will expire in "2046"), and try selecting multiple cookies. Bzzzzt, no go. And guess what? In pre-1.5 versions, you COULD do this, so it really WAS a bug/feature delete with 1.5. Now, select one cookie and hit the delete key. NOTHING HAPPENS. Why the hell not?

If you have partially typed anything in the URL bar and hit tab, half the time you aren't taken to the next text box in the browser window. Similar behavior happens elsewhere, only on a page.

It gets worse: just like older versions of 1.0/1.5, the current release candidate suffers from "keyboard-go-dead-itis." I've had to close Firefox FOUR times today because I could no longer enter text ANYWHERE. Not in forms, not in the URL bar, not in the search bar. Command keys (ie, apple-T for new tab) stopped working as well (1.5 still does this, though now usually only when Flash is on the page. Why Firefox allows flash to intercept command keystrokes is beyond me.)

Oh, and I still haven't figured out how to do the resume-where-you-left-off bit, despite having poured through the prefs pages several times.

Re:still has UI consistency/key command problems (1)

Michael Wardle (50363) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372989)

SuperBanana wrote:

Oh, and I still haven't figured out how to do the resume-where-you-left-off bit, despite having poured through the prefs pages several times.

When Firefox starts: Show my windows and tabs from last time

Has the memory leak been fixed? (1)

MotorMachineMercenar (124135) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372473)

Yes, the one that has been present for as long as I've been using FireFox (2+ years).

Re:Has the memory leak been fixed? (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373013)

Firefox 2 fixes lots of memory leaks. There is no big, obvious "the memory leak".

mozStorage (SQLite) and Zotero (3, Informative)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372495)

One of my favorite aspects of Firefox 2 is the new features for developers [] , including storage with SQLite [] . This enables neat things like the new Zotero [] extension, which stores bibliographic data (a'la Endnote, but with automatic recognition of metadata by programs like refbase [] and on sites like google scholar).

They don't even give HEAD right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372553)

...and because of that they'll rightly never be taken seriously. "Save Link As" has been broken for several versions now. How can you have a browser that can't even send a simple HEAD request? Numerous bug reports have been filed about this, and they refuse to fix it. The irony being that IT USED TO WORK! Then they broke it on purpose and refuse to revert the changes. Go figure.

It's good but I'm having troubles (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372567)

Memorable Quotes from Vacation (1983) Clark: Could I do your back, honey? Ellen Griswold: I've already done my back. Clark: Could I do your front? Ellen Griswold: Go do your own front.
Audrey Griswold: Mom, where can I go to the bathroom? Ellen Griswold: Find a bush Audrey!
Motorcycle Cop: Do you know what the penalty for animal cruelty is in this state? Clark: No, sir, I don't. Motorcycle Cop: Well... it's probably pretty stiff.
Mechanic 2: Ain't never seen anyone so shit-all stupid as you driving off that road. You musta got manure for your brains. Clark: Yeah, well, we're from out of town. How much do I owe you? Mechanic 1: How much you got? Clark: No, I'm asking how much the repairs are. Mechanic 1: I'm asking how much you got! Clark: You're out of your mind. Look, I don't have time to fool around so how much is it? Mechanic 1: [waving a wrench] All of it, boy! Clark: What does the sheriff think of your business practice? [Mechanic 1 laughs and shows Clark his sheriff's badge]
Clark: We're from out of town. Man Giving Directions: No shit.
Cousin Eddie: How do you like yours, Clark? Clark: Oh, medium rare, a little pink inside. Cousin Eddie: No, I mean your bun.
Ed: Now, I owe it to myself to tell you, Mr. Griswold, that if you are thinking of taking the tribe cross country, this is your automobile. The Wagon Queen Family Truckster. You think you hate it now, but wait till you drive it.
Ed, the car salesman: Wait a minute, I'll get to the bottom of this, we'll find your car. Davenport! Davenport: Yes, Mr. Ed. Ed, the car salesman: Where is Mr. Griswold's Sports Wagon? Davenport: I don't know sir. Ed, the car salesman: I know what must have happened. It didn't come in. Now I can get you the Sports Wagon; the only problem is that it may take six weeks. I owe it to myself to tell you that if you're taking the whole tribe cross-country, the Wagon Queen Family Truckster is the way to go. You think you hate it now, but just wait until you drive it. Clark Griswald: Ed, I'm not your average fool. Now I want my super sports wagon now, or I'm gonna take my business elsewhere! Ed, the car salesman: Davenport! Get Mr. Griswald's car and bring it back here! [the car is in the process of being smashed. It returns flat, and clark tries to squat and open the door]
Ellen Griswold: [after the bartender shoots at Clark] Clark, I don't think that was funny. A loud noise like that could damage the kids' hearing. Clark Griswald: C'mon, Ellen. It looked real. Hell - I thought it was a real gun. Didn't you think it was real, honey? Audrey Griswold: What? Clark Griswald: I said didn't you think it was real? Audrey Griswold: What? Ellen Griswold: Oh are you happy now Clark? She's deaf. Clark Griswald: Oh what the hell - it was fun anyway.
Audrey Griswold: [Looking at Vicki's trophy for hog raising] Uh, don't take this personally, Vicki; but being a farmer isn't too cool you know. Cousin Vicki: Oh, yeah? Well, how cool is this? [Reaches under her bed and pulls out a shoebox full of marijuana]
Clark Griswald: Roy; can I call you Roy? Have you even driven your whole family cross-country? Roy Walley: Oh, hell yes. Once I drove all of them to Florida. The smell coming out of the back seat was terrible. Clark Griswald: I know that smell, Roy; but what if you had driven all that way and Florida was closed? Roy Walley: Closed? Uh, they don't close Florida.
Clark Griswald: So, this is the old homestead, eh? Cousin Eddie: Yeah. I don't know for how much longer, though. The banks been after me like flies on a rib roast.
Clark: Why aren't we flying? Because getting there is half the fun. You know that.
Clark: Oh Ellen, the old west was dirty. Everything isn't like home. If everything were like home, there would be no reason for leaving home. Right, Rusty?
Ellen Griswold: I honestly don't think we're going to find the Grand Canyon on this road. Clark: Jesus, it's only the biggest God-damn hole in the world. Aunt Edna: Clark, watch your language! Clark: Make that the second biggest.
Ellen Griswold: I'm not sure of his exact height and weight. All I know is that the man was a saint with children and a genius with food additives and he was... Clark!
Cousin Vicki: I'm going steady, and I French kiss. Audrey Griswold: So? Everybody does that. Cousin Vicki: Yeah, but Daddy says I'm the best at it.
Cousin Eddie: I don't know why they call this stuff hamburger helper. It does just fine by itself, huh? I like it better than tuna helper myself, don't you, Clark? Clark: You're the gourmet around here, Eddie.
Eddie: I got laid off when they closed that asbestos factory, and wouldn't you know it, the army cuts my disability pension because they said that the plate in my head wasn't big enough.
Clark: Hey, hey, easy kids. Everybody in the car. Boat leaves in two minutes... or perhaps you don't want to see the second largest ball of twine on the face of the earth, which is only four short hours away?
Clark: Real tomato ketchup, Eddie? Cousin Eddie: Oh, nothing but the best.
Aunt Edna: Why don't you just ask him for the money, Eddie? He sure as Hell can't take a hint. Cousin Eddie: Well, I didn't want to ask you, Clark, you know, but could you maybe spare a little extra cash? Clark: Sure, Eddie, how much do you need? Cousin Eddie: About fifty-two thousand dollars.
Ellen Griswold: Clark, let's just skip the house of mud. I think Dodge City was enough for one day. Besides, Catherine and Eddie are expecting us. Clark: It's living history Ellen. But if you'd rather see your cousins it's okay by me. Personally I'd rather see a pile of mud than Eddie.
[after driving off the road] Ellen Griswold: I think I broke my nose. Rusty Griswold: I stabbed my brain. Audrey Griswold: I just got my period.
Rusty Griswold: Is that a real gun, Mom? Ellen Griswold: I don't know, Rusty, but when this is all over, your father may be going away for a little while.
Clark: I think you're all fucked in the head. We're ten hours from the fucking fun park and you want to bail out. Well I'll tell you something. This is no longer a vacation. It's a quest. It's a quest for fun. I'm gonna have fun and you're gonna have fun. We're all gonna have so much fucking fun we'll need plastic surgeory to remove our godamn smiles. You'll be whistling 'Zip-A-Dee Doo-Dah' out of you're assholes! I gotta be crazy! I'm on a pilgrimage to see a moose. Praise Marty Moose! Holy Shit!
Clark: This is crazy, this is crazy, this is crazy!
Marty Moose: Sorry, folks! We're closed for two weeks to clean and repair America's favorite family fun park. Sorry, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh!
Clark: I just want you to ask yourself one thing. If you were... if you were me, wouldn't you do the same thing for your children? Roy Walley: No.
Lasky, Guard at Walleyworld: Sorry folks, park's closed. Moose out front shoulda told ya.
Roy Walley: Well, somebody better explain, or there'll, uh... there'll be a lot of explaining to do.
Lasky, Guard at Walleyworld: That's not a real gun, is it Clark? Clark: Are you kidding? This is a Magnum P.I. Lasky, Guard at Walleyworld: It's a BB gun! Clark: Don't tempt me. I could poke an eye out with this thing. Lasky, Guard at Walleyworld: You couldn't even break the skin with that thing.
Clark: I don't give a frog's fat ass who went through what. We need money! Hey, Russ, wanna look through Aunt Edna's purse?
Rusty Griswold: Mom, my sandwich is all wet. Ellen Griswold: They're all wet... Oh God!... The dog wet on the picnic basket.
Rusty Griswold: Hey, ya' got Pac Man? Cousin Dale: No. Rusty Griswold: Ya' got Space Invaders? Cousin Dale: Nope. Rusty Griswold: Ya' got Asteroids? Cousin Dale: Naw, but my dad does. Can't even sit on the toilet some days.
Ellen Griswold: Gee Cath look's like you really got your hands full. Catherine: Oh, it's not so bad. Eddie says after the baby comes, I can quit one of my night jobs.
Ellen Griswold: Stay in the car! It's hot and dangerous out here. Aunt Edna: Don't you tell me what to do, I'll do what I want! I should never have come on this trip with you, I should have taken an airplane... and him! [pointing to Clark] Aunt Edna: He shouldn't even have a license to drive an automobile! He should be BEHIND BARS! Ellen Griswold: SIT down and SHUT UP! Move outa that seat and I'll split your lip!
Rusty Griswold: Wow dad, we must have jumped that rail by like 50 yards. Clark: Nothing to be proud of Russ... [pauses as Rusty walks away] Clark: [proudly] ... 50 yards...
Clark: I'm just trying to treat my family to a little fun. Ellen Griswold: Oh spare me, Clark, I know your brand of family fun. Tomorrow you'll probably kill the desk clerk, hold up a McDonalds, and drive us 1000 miles out of the way to see the world's largest pile of mud!
Clark: I'm making out a check for $1000, all you have to do is give me $300 in cash and keep the $700, all for doing nothing more than acting like a total creep.
[In Cousin Normy's backyard in the pouring rain] Ellen Griswold: We can't leave Aunt Edna on the patio! Clark: Would you prefer I slip her in the night deposit box at the funeral home?
Audrey Griswold: She breathed on me! A dead person breathed on me!
[looking at the dead Aunt Edia in the back seat] Ellen Griswold: She must have passed away somewhere near Flagstaff. What are we going to do Clark? Clark Griswald: Well, I guess we could leave her here and maybe the first phone we pass, we could call Cousin Normie and he could come and get her I guess. Ellen Griswold: That is the meanist, coldist... Clark Griswald: Well, what do you want me to do? Call Federal Express? Audrey Griswold: Mom, we don't have to ride with a dead person, do we? Please say we don't! Rusty Griswold: Yeah, come on. It'll be real easy for Normie to find Aunt Edna. All he has to do is look for the buzzards.
Clark Griswald: We watch his program. We buy his toys, we go to his movies, he owes us! Doesn't Marty Moose owe us? He owes the Griswalds right? Fucking-A right he owes us!
Ellen Griswold: Don't just blurt it out to Normie about Edna dying. Clark Griswald: How about I ask him to play 20 Questions? [Clark knocks on the front door of Normie's house and rings the doorbell, but no anwser] Clark Griswald: Oh, for christ sakes he isn't home. Ellen Griswold: Maybe the neighbors know where he is. Clark Griswald: The moron knows we're coming and he isn't home. Ellen Griswold: Normie's always been flakey. Clark Griswald: He's always been a jaggle. Ellen Griswold: Watch your mouth!
Clark: Excuse me, could you please tell me how to get back on the express way? Pimp: Fuck yo mama! Clark: Thank you very much.
Clark: [Edited TV version] Excuse me. Could you please tell how to get back on the expressway? Pimp: Man, who do I look like, Christopher "Columbo" Clark: Thank you very much.
[the kids are playing Pacman while Clark is designing a map on the computer] Clark: Russ, please don't eat the Truckster.
[In the middle of a desert. Clark is going crazy as he trots through the hills. Two men on horses watch him] Clark: We passed a God damn gas station every 10 yards for 1000 miles, but when you really need one, you end up walking your ass off. This is no way to run a desert! Cowboy: What an asshole.
Clark: Roll 'em up!
Clark: Russ, it's really great that I can spend time with you and... uh... uh... uh... Rusty: Audrey, Dad.
Aunt Edna: You're the ones who sent me the fruitcake for Christmas. It made me so sick! Ellen Griswold: Oh - we're sorry. We thought you enjoyed fruitcake. Aunt Edna: Do you enjoy throwing up every five minutes Claude? Clark: Clark. Aunt Edna: I thought so. Whew! Well am I gonna eat, or am I gonna starve to death?
[Delivering the eulogy for Aunt Edna, flatly] Clark: O God, ease our suffering in this, our moment of great dispair. Yea, admit this kind and decent woman into thy arms of thine heavenly area, up there. And Moab, he lay us upon the band of the Canaanites, and yea, though the Hindus speak of karma, I implore you: give her a break. Ellen Griswold: Clark... Clark: Honey, I'm not an ordained minister; I'm doing my best.
Aunt Edna: Is this your idea of a good restaurant? Dog killer!
Aunt Edna: Clark, Dinkins needs a long walk and a bath. Clark: Rusty take care of Dinkins. Rusty: Dad he bites. Clark: Bite him back.
Clark: Despite all the little problems it's fun isn't it? Ellen Griswold: No. But with every new day there's fresh hope.
Lasky: Has your father ever killed anyone? Rusty: Just a dog. Oh and my Aunt Edna. Clark: Hey you can't prove that Russ.
Lasky: Rusty, may I call you Rusty? I had a bad experience on this ride once. Rusty: What happened? Lasky: I threw up.
Clark Griswald: Ed, this is not the car I ordered. I distinctly ordered the Antartic Blue Super Sports Wagon with C.B. and optional rally fun pack. Ed, the car salesman: You didn't order the Metallic Pea?
Ellen Griswald: We're not really violent people. This is our first gun. Clark Griswald: No, it isn't.
Clark Griswald: When I was a boy, just about every summer we'd take a vacation. And you know, in 18 years, we never had fun.
Clark Griswald: [talking about Aunt Edna] She can't weigh more than 100 pounds. Ellen Griswald: Oh, no. You can't just put her on the roof. Audrey Griswald: Yes, he can! Clark Griswald: You want me to strap her to the hood? She'll be fine. It's not as if it's going to rain or something.
Cousin Eddie: Hey Clark, you look like you could use a cold one. Clark: I sure could, Eddie. [Eddie hands Clark his opened beer he'd been drinking, gets a fresh one for himself]
[at fast food hotdog restaurant after Clark accidently killed Aunt Edna's dog] Fast Food Server: [comes to car and gives the family a tray with their food on it] Clark: [tries taking it, but it slips out of his hands and breaks the car window] Aunt Edna: Serves you right, Dog Killer!
Cousin Eddie: [at the cookout] Edna! Helper's on! Clark Griswald: [to Ellen] Is that *your* Aunt Edna? [Ellen slinks away from the table]
Aunt Edna: Did you tell Clark and Ellen the good news? Catherine: [nervously] Uh, no; I was just about to. Ellen Griswold: Good news, what good news, Catherine? Aunt Edna: You're driving me to Phoenix! [Clark begins choking on his hamburger]
The Girl in the Ferrari: It's too bad you're married... I'm in the mood for some fun!
Rusty Griswold: That was a crummy Wyatt Earp dad. He was wearing jogging shoes. Clark: They used to Rusty.
Ellen Griswold: Lord, we loved this woman with all our heart. Audrey Griswold: Let's not overdo it, mom. Ellen Griswold: Shut up.

Damn it (1)

d_jedi (773213) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372571)

I endorse caution for users that rely on a lot of extensions, as most extensions aren't yet compatible with Firefox 2.0
I thought - at least, based on what people told me at the time - that each new release breaking extensions was supposed to be a thing of the past once FF got out of beta. Hopefully the FF devs fix this.. it's unacceptable.

It's by design (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16372741)

Extension developers can specify a range of versions their extension has been tested with. If something changes, there's a good chance they'll need to update the extension to fix it. If nothing changes, they just increment the version support. You can even do it manually if you want.

Hard to make more than an incremental improvement? (2, Interesting)

StateOfTheUnion (762194) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372663)

I have to admit that when I first moved to Firefox from IE, the tabbed browsing was a feature that I didn't know that I needed until I tried it; and then I was hooked.

I don't really hear about any great new must have features in the RC2 version. Though I do acknowledge that coming up with great new features and ideas that most people appreciate but don't know that they need yet is no easy task, but I really don't see any key features in this version of Firefox to make me really want to upgrade. As I said before, great ideas in the browsing experience may be hard to come by since the idea of the browser and its application are mature. It's a bit like coming up with a great new feature for a word processor . . . a lot of the "low hanging fruit" is already taken.

What this means to me is that upgrading the browser is like upgrading the word processor; it's not a very high priority because there isn't a very compelling reason to do it (at least IMHO) . . .

Re:Hard to make more than an incremental improveme (3, Funny)

jazman_777 (44742) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372911)

As I said before, great ideas in the browsing experience may be hard to come by since the idea of the browser and its application are mature.

They're waiting to see what the Opera developers come up with next.

He says the 'quick-search' is new? (1)

RincewindTVD (1011435) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372749)

I'm not entirely sure why, but forward-slash now initiates a "Quick Find" which closes after a short period of inactivity and doesn't display the rest of the page find interface. elements
I've been using the '/' key to quick search in FF for ages.. I'm using it now in in fact.

And while I like the new discussion thing, I do notice that the dancing moving comments box on the left (reminds me a bit of the net in 1997 when all menus followed you)doesn't stop at the bottom of the other sections/vendors/help etc area, it sits over the vendors bit.

Re:He says the 'quick-search' is new? (2, Interesting)

1point618 (919730) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372871)

As far as I can tell, the difference is that now, instead of having all the normal, handy options you get with hitting ctrl-f, you now get a blank bar at the bottom that doesn't let you search by capitalization, go to the next search term, etc. I'm waiting for an extension to fix this.

Extensions (2)

slapout (93640) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372789)

Why do extensions have to be changed for every release? Does the interface change that much?

Re:Extensions (1)

burndive (855848) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372993)

The API might change between any x.y release. In my opinion, it's a good policy. Extensions can do almost anything in FF, so it makes sense that the extension authors should check each version to make sure their extension works with it.

I'm pretty sure it's possible to write an extension and specify that it works between 0.8 and 99.0. It's not nice to do that without testing, but you can. There are also a couple of ways to trick an extension into installing on a non-supported version of FF.

Spell Check Only? (2, Funny)

maeglin (23145) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372833)

Is the 2.0 designation deserved? I suppose that depends on your perspective. At the risk of veering into a largely irrelevant philosophical rumination on the ontological significance of version numbers, I feel inclined to point out that the implications of version numbers vary greatly between various open source projects. In some cases, there is a well-established nomenclature and version numbers can be used to infer all sorts of useful things about the nature and status of a build. In other cases, it may simply be an arbitrary value selected for the sole purpose of making it possible to distinguish between builds. For Firefox, it doesn't seem like there is a fully consistent version numbering model yet. Rather than expressing disappointment about the lack of new features in the upcoming 2.0 release, users should remember that Firefox release numbers aren't always going to be a helpful medium for establishing expectations.

Sheesh... Judging by the above paragraph it also comes with a thesaurus.

I for one... (2, Interesting)

HawkingMattress (588824) | more than 7 years ago | (#16372973)

Finally decided to switch to opera today, and i'm quite happy with it so far.
The auto satisfaction of the firefox team, marketing gimmicks and now version number pushing finally got me. Well no, in fact those three are the last straw, the real reason is the total crap that ff has become. I've been moaning about the memory leaks for more than 3 years (no, i'm not talking about the slow as hell cache "feature"), pages take forever to parse and display (it seems like 10x faster in opera, really...), and basically switching to opera gave a new life to my venerable Athlon 1.2 / 500M. On this kind of machine, you can really see the difference... Feels like switching from an interpreted BASIC app to C++ one. In fact when you think about with all the XUL code that sits on top of gecko, it's probably the case...
The only thing I could miss are the developper extensions (which, combined with the inspector are really good), but I'm not into web programming any more for now (happy me !)

Maybe I should just stop hoping, and file a bug (1)

Mike Savior (802573) | more than 7 years ago | (#16373185)

I kind of find it a little ridiculous that Firefox is one of the browsers that made tabs a hit new feature, yet for it to work in any kind of consistent, sane manner, I still need an extension [] for it even in 2.0.

Not really looking to start a flame war, but jeez, an addon should not be necessary for this kind of functionality. It makes the default tabbed browsing behavior look half-assed without it.
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