MySpace Organizes Sudan Fundraiser 164
tanman writes to tell us CNN is reporting that MySpace is sponsoring a series of 20 concerts as an effort to raise awareness about the humanitarian relief efforts in Sudan. From the article: "The concerts will take place October 21. Artists include TV on the Radio in Philadelphia, Alice in Chains in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, Ziggy Marley in Medford, Oregon, Citizen Cope in Seattle, Gov't Mule in Spokane, Washington, and Insane Clown Posse in St. Petersburg, Florida."
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Fox? (Score:5, Insightful)
MySpace needs the PR. (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would News Corp give a damn about people in Sudan? Here's a hint: they don't.
The only reason they're raising money for people in Sudan is that it's the least-offensive cause some focus group could come up with. Right now, MySpace needs the most heart-warming, family-friendly but not totally-unhip image resuscitation that money can buy.
Re:MySpace needs the PR. (Score:4, Interesting)
While in the US it's "kekeke pedos" here in the UK it has a positive image and is doing "good things"
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Explaining why this "fund raiser" is being conducted almost exclusively in the U.S. (It would be exclusive, except for a show in Toronto.)
From TFA:
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Still, the Telegraph is spending huge amounts of money o
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But yes I know what you're saying. It's one big circle jerk with 1 man at the helm.
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The problems seem to be with releif organizations wanting the UN to actualy do something about it. This conflicts with the UN's current agenda of "bitch about yet another US led war" or "something the US has done to destroy the world" or
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Didn't the president say he was going to free the people of the world from tyranical leaders and deliver democracy to the world?
Maybe the rest of the world is just waiting for bush to follow through on his word. Why bother doing something when bush promised to do it. He promised in front of the entire world and he is a man of god. He wo
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So stop asking the UN to do something in Darfur. Bush promised to the entire world that he was going to end tyranny and deliver democracy to people, get on with it.
Stop trying to enforce UN resolutions. UN is shit. It doesn't matter what the resolutions are, what they say, who they are targetting.
Stop going to the UN everytime anybody does something you don't like. North Korea tested a bomb? Don't go to the UN and get a resolution to increase sanctions. Those people are already s
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Are you really that ashamed of your position?
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BTW, I'm not afraid to defend Isreal. After all Isreal is the result of the existance of the middle east as it stands now. This idea of destroying Isreal or that they stole land is contrary to actual facts about the middle east in the way it is made up today. This "hip" idea of isreal being
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I didn't address his points because he as posting anonynously. There is no sense in trying to have a conversation with a coward.
The fact that he chose to defend israel anonymously does indeed have some meaning. Not hidden either.
"It apears that everything he said was true to some extent so the fact that he said it secretly shouldn't mean anything."
True to some extent?
"This idea of destroying Isreal or tha
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Ok, I guess convienience and the expectation of the reply not being one sided is a good enough reason.
Yep, it could mean that he didn't have an account, knows that a lot of people at this site has an anti-Isreal slant and didn't want all the negetive Karma following him around
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No they don't Syria does. UN agrees.
"His account also ommits that within a few hours of Hezbollah kidnapping Isreali soldiers, and before Isreal's counter attack,"
True, it also neglects to mention various incursions into lebanon by israel too. Ayway you are right. Israel killed a thousand people, displaced a million people, destroyed billions of dollars worth of infrastucture, dropped a million cluster bombs
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??what? they as in Hezbollah or any respectable entity? And sure, everyone with more credit then a "machine gun, rockets and hostages association" believe syria too.
Well, don't forg
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The rocket attacks started after israel bombed the airport killing lots of civillians.
"It isn't as if it was a responce only to "kidnapping two soldiers". "
That's what you said. Are you backtracking now?
"It makes one side look worse then the other by neglecting certain relevent facts. "
It certainly makes you look worse.
"the Israeli army. "
You consider them an unbiased and credible source?
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Nevertheless they can be denied housing, jobs, and even the right to drive down jerwish only roads. Anyway what about the arabs in the west bank and gaza?
"In Israel, Arabs enjoy the same freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of thought, and freedom of religion as everyone else"
And yet they are not allowed to live in jewish only neighborhoods, they are not allowed to buy land or houses in certain sec
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SO, they were part if the situation and contributed to the Isreal responce. What are you trying to say? All that damage because two people were kidnapped when the reality was more then that?
Are your daft? Or do you actualy belive the crap your spewing? I feel like i'm having a conversation with a kid. If I have to explain why the sky is blue on every sentence, your obvi
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Yes. Israel conquered that land during a war.
"Under the Oslo accords signed with Arafat, they are to be turned over to the Palestinian Authority with the eventual goal of establishing a Palestinian state."
That was supposed to happen a long time ago. Still hasn't and never will.
"Does Israel occupy Gaza? "
Yes. They control the borders, the airspace, they collect taxes, they control the ports, they control the water supplies. They recently t
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Anyway like I said. You war pigs will eventually die, your progeny will set things right.
"Third, you are using aparthied state in the wrong context. I know it sounds good and makes your look smart when you use big words like this. The problem is that it doesn't fit in the sence you are using. Israel is not an apartheid "state"."
That was Nelson Mandella who used that word. I think he might know a thing or two abo
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In that case israel needs to stop building on that land and needs to stop collecting taxes on the people living there.
"Arafat was offered a pretty good deal by Barak, "
No he wasn't. He was offered a deal but it was not "pretty good".
"You conceded in one of your earlier posts that there are many countries with far worse human rights records with Israel. "
Yes there are countries with worse human rights records.
"And yet, those other countries are not hated to th
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He was offered what's commonly refered as the 67 borders nation. That is he was offered a series of closed off reservations where palestenians were to live separated from their relatives by israeli controlled land and roads. These reservations were designed to make sure that all commerce a
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Somehow This position doesn't surprise me. I can understand your frustration when the fact doesn't support the claims. Anyway, I'm not what you would call an Israel apoligist either. I'm someone who doesn't like seeing the bashing based on lies. If you could put out a position against isreal that didn't manufacture facts or neglect other facts, I wouldn't give a damn at all. Istead, you are trying to manupulat
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That makes sense because they are the only two countries which were (are) running an apartheid regime.
"Yes, Libya was bombed by the US military, and the US was condemned by many for doing that. Like I said, somehow I missed the divestment campaign where universities and churches are lobbied not to do business with Libya."
There was a worldwide sanctions against libya. Were you net aw
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The problem is that I am dealing with a person who has no perception of reality. Lets start here.
True or false.
1) At one time there was no israel.
2) Then there was israel.
3) The people who lived in the land that israel occupies lost their land.
Let's see if you can answer that. If you can then we can go into all the rest.
"I find most of what israel has done to be more justified then what thier oposition has done. "
Yes. You are an ap
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2: true
3: false Isreal was started at the same time other countries in the area were started(including palistine). It's inhabitants were people living in that area (citizens of that land). Isreal was originialy an international city/teritory inside palistine under palistine control until the palistinians started slaughtering it's own people(read gihad). At that time israel was seperated from palistine and granted status or recognized as it's own country. Nothing was taken from anyone except the cont
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Do me a favor though, say that the holocaust had nothing to do with the formation of israel one more time. That's so cute and makes me laugh every time.
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I can see you wanting to shy away from the conversation. It doesn't support your claims so you don't want to acknowledge it. Good job there. Go troll somewere else, Mkay..
Please tell me how something that happened 10 to 15 years after the formation of Is
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The test where you were dumb enough to insist that not one human being was displaced as a result of the formation of israel.
And you also failed the test when you claimed that the holocaust had zero influence on the creation of israel.
Two for two. You are an idiot.
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I guess your test is to see if someone would forget history and jump to your logic because "you said so". Abs for your information, I didn't say no one was displaced, I said israel was populated by people who lived in that area. Israel was forme
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"You can hate it all you want. There is no problem with you being an antisemite. "
If hating israel makes me an anti semite then israel must be a racist state. I can be a racist for hating israel only if israel is a racially pure state.
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You see, what I stated wasn't opinions. It was fact. Thats what makes you and idiot and possibly an anti semite. I'm telling look it up in a history book. Everything I told you about israel and it's formation is there as i stated it happening. This takes your way things happened and makes them "opinion" that happens to be "wrong" as well as "detached from reality".
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You are right of course. Only a tiny percentage of israel are semites. On the other hand the vast majority of palestenians are semites.
hating israel makes you a pro semite.
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BTW, hating or disliking someone, coutry or groups of people doesn't automaticly make you anything except a person cabable of hate. If is the other actions involved that tend to be racist, anti semetic, or whatever the cute buzz words of the day is.
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SO are you saying that the majority of the people who live in israel are semites and the majority of the people living in palestine are not semites?
Last I checked that was not the case. Once again it is you who lack a grasp of reality.
The reality is that as a race the people living in israel are overwhelmingly caucasian.
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Man you like to read a whole lot into things that aren't there. And i understand why you do it. Your agument doesn't last verylong without doing tricks like this.
I'm saying the majority of people living in Israel are semitic and nothing about the palistinian people.
Check a
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The vast majority of the people in israel are causasians from around the globe. Very few are semites.
BTW learning a language does not change your race. Neither does adopting a religion.
Next time you call somebody racist pay attention. I love the semitic race. I t
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I called you a racist because you continued to cite false, inacurate and partial information as the reasons you dislike israel. You were acting the same as a Klansman who cites "nigger are dumb" for thier reasons of hating minorities. Ironicly, Those dumb nigge
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Ahem - IT'S AN AD (Score:2)
This fundraiser is not about being nice. It's a deal that they're making with you: They'll do this fundraiser to raise money for a good cause. They're doing it for publicity. You may or may not bite and send some money to Sudan. Who cares?!?!
It's all about profits, and that's not a bad thing - the profit motive is what creates incentive for XYZ corporation to pay attention t
ICP (Score:2, Funny)
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1994 called (Score:5, Funny)
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I bet you you'd be just as dissapointed if those same teens didn't care at all.
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Don't get me wrong, it'd be great if these kids were engaged and involved. It's just not happening.
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I used to agree with what you are saying regarding Tibet, but I actually found that kids under 21 kne
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The BIG difference is that in Sudan, our own countries aren't on the "bad guys" side. That's why many of us a livid about the Palestine issue. See the cluster bombs that depopulated the south of Lebanon? The ones which were mostly dropped the day before the ceasefire in a callous "hurry while we still can" way? The ones where over 30% now lie unexploded and are killing/maiming toda
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The BIG difference is that in Sudan, our own countries aren't on the "bad guys" side.
Wait, so the "good guys" side in the Palestine conflict is the one setting off bombs in shopping malls and buses in Israel, right? Gimme a break. This one's a little tough to turn into a black-n-white kind of issue.
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What you need to ask yourself is this: why is killing someone using a 22 million dollar GPS guilded missle any different that using 22 dollar IED strapped to someone chest? I really want to understand your rationale here. You mention people setting off one bomb in Israel, meanwhile they are dropping thousands of mines over CIVILIAN areas in Lebanon, depopulating the area which
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What you need to ask yourself is this: why is killing someone using a 22 million dollar GPS guilded missle any different that using 22 dollar IED strapped to someone chest? I really want to understand your rationale here.
I didn't. I said the Palestinians weren't "good guys," and that the situation over there doesn't have a protagonist. I never said the Israelis were saints. That said, if I were to rank things, I'd say that targeting military installations is lower on the asshole list than targeting civi
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George Galloway is a sleazy wanker that I cannot stand one bit. I've seen him speak (he used to be based in glasgow) and did not like his style one bit. I will give him credit for the congress thing however, that was priceless.
Wouldn't it be more appropriate if... (Score:4, Funny)
Marketing (Score:4, Informative)
I don't see how having a concert or two is in any way related to solving real world problems. What? You going to party your way to a better environment?
This is a perfect way to sell tickets and raise profits. It will be like Live8.
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So it goes like this:
1) Get a cause
2) get a band
3) sell tickets to band
4) get some thing to the venue to "raise awareness about the humanitarian relief efforts in Sudan." [think posters, a few hippies manning an info booth, the band making a brief comment about "the humanitarian relief efforts in Sudan."]
5) ???
6) profit (if the band can fill the venue with paying customers)
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Doesn't Matter (Score:2, Insightful)
Next year: Murdoch Family Bake Sale (Score:5, Insightful)
As they are not doing that and are conducting a fund raiser, however ironic, I think it's safe to assume that the ultimate goal of the process is not, in fact, sending money to Sudan.
As to what the real motive might be, I'll leave that up to you to consider.
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Some people, of course, think that because charities are a good thing (ch
Think about the children damnit! (Score:1)
Because when I think Humanitarian Relief Efforts.. (Score:2)
Not this again (Score:2, Funny)
Sudanly - Billy Ocean (Score:3, Funny)
Until that genocide until that first smile
But if I had to do it all again I wouldn't change a thing
Cause this war is everlasting
Sudanly "gangaweed" has new meaning to me
There's beauty up above and things we never take notice of
You wake up Sudanly you're in poverty
Girl you're everthing a man could rape and more
One thousand words are not enough to say what I feel inside
Holding dismembered hands as we walk along the shore
Never felt like this before now you're dying in Darfur
Each day I pray this love affair would last forever
There's beauty up above and things you never take notice of
You wake and Sudanly you're at war
Every little bit helps (Score:1)
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Do WHAT?
In Sudan it is the government inflicting this genocide on its own people. They are not interested in stopping.
The genocide in the Sudan will stop only with one of three possible outcomes:
1. The Sudanese gov'
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6033231.stm [bbc.co.uk]
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What needs to happen... (Score:4, Interesting)
The Right, unfortunately, knows that our military cannot support serious actions to halt the genocide that is happening. As typically strong supporters of our military, they don't want to see the military face losses on top of what they are incurring in Iraq. Such an act could quickly become a political lightening rod.
In order for the Left to support such an action, they would have to support invading a sovereign nation whose official ties to terrorism are only hints and whispers, and without official UN approval, which is exactly their protest against the Iraq Invasion. Even with knowledge that the Iraqi government was killing their own citizens, The Left opposed invasion. To suddenly support a Darfur excursion would end up making them look like extreme hypocrites.
Also, the lesson we learned from Vietnam is that in order to win the war, we would have to wage war on the "tail" side of the agressors, drawing their front-line troops away to defend their home turf. That turns in a CQB (Close-Quarter Battle), which inflicts heavy losses on an invading force. Or we carpet bomb the mostly muslim north, allowing for the (pardon me for saying this) anti-US Muslim propaganda machine to run at full tilt again.
Remember, these conquering forces have many 10-year-old boys with AK-47s. All you have to do is take away the gun, and suddenly, "THE UNITED STATES MILITARY IS KILLING MUSLIM CHILDREN" shows up on CNN.
Then there will be protests at a University, but that's ok.
If I might suggest a situation for history to repeat itself, I propose Kent State.
I support evacuation. The issue I see is that any provisions sent to the region would just as likely end up feeding conquering Janjaweed forces as hungry Christians.
After evacuation, our forces could carpet bomb at will, knowing that any movement in the area was hostile invaders.
In my opinion, the Sudanese Government is attempting genocide. The ironic part is that it is mostly African (Read: Black) population that is bearing the brunt of this, and the Arab population is causing it. I think this is a problem of politically correct crisis. You can't support one side without appearing biased against the other. No politician will touch it, so no action will happen.
Which is truly unfortunate.
Of course, there is a solution [youtube.com] to all of this, and I think it should be widely deployed after evacuation:
But, I wonder how the people who were opposed to the Iraqi Invasion are going to react. Are they going to admit that invading Iraq for the reasons stated were acceptable after all, or simply wait for the UN to draft up a strongly worded letter to the Sudanese government?
Joe
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Humanitarian assistance was not one of the reasons stated. Nor was Saddam's ghastly human rights record a reason for the invasion: he was just as bad back at the time of the handshake [gwu.edu].
>Then there will be protests at a University, but that's ok.
>If I might suggest a situation for history to repeat itself, I propose Kent State.
The people who moderated this up may be unfamiliar with the event he is proposing to repeat. In 19
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Like what about the people who couldn't really care one way or another about Iraqi attrocities, or Sudanese genocide? People who feel the U.S. military should stay out of all conflicts that are not a direct response to an attack or stopping an eminent attack on the United States?
Many of the people opposed to the invasion of Iraq, are just as opposed to doing anything in Sudan. Not everyone opposed to the Iraq
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The US doesn't want to send troops because their soldiers would just end up becoming the targets. So instead of pacifying the situation it would only become worse (see Somalia 1993). The UN had promised 20,000 troops in the area but Sudan openly objected and declared that such a force would be seen as invaders. The UN then backed down with the hope the AU would increase its forces a
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They don't matter.
It's harsh, but true. What is going on is a strictly local affair in a place with few if any Europeans, no significant resources that the world still needs, and is too poor to fund terrorist misadventures outside their own border.
No one has any material interest in seeing this stopped. It's morally questionable to put the sons and daughters of any nation on the line t
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In order for the Left to support such an action, they would have to support invading a sovereign nation whose official ties to terrorism are only hints and whispers, and without official UN ap
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it's rather telling that... (Score:2)
You seem so eager to kill people. Are you certain there is not something terribly wrong with you?
We can do better (Score:3, Insightful)
If it were the other way around (Score:2, Insightful)
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So quite clearly the fundraiser for Christians killing Muslims came first.
When it WAS the other way around... (Score:2)
All in all, a pretty successful internati
Worthless. (Score:1)
MySpace's Response... (Score:2, Funny)
Sudden fundraiser (Score:2)
Laudable goals and everything... (Score:2)
What, someone's going to feel all guilty and donate another $5 in aid that can be sent to Sudan for the gov't to either take for the military or give to the janjaweed?
All the compassion in the world doesn't help for crap unless someone is willing to man up and kill bad guys. And frankly, if you have to kill *lots* of bad guys (because, say, previous generations/governments couldn't or wouldn't come to grips with the pr
Re:For those of us who aren't geography geniuses.. (Score:4, Insightful)
The way the west has dealt with Africa since pretty much the beginning of time is shameful, and it doesn't look like it's going to improve any time soon.
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However, poverty, corruption, and strife are so endemic in many parts of Africa that the financial and political investment needed to stabilize and repai
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Let me rephrase this for you (Score:4, Informative)
The way *Africans* have dealt with Africa is shameful. Sure, we can blame colonialism for many of Africa's problems, but we're more than 40 years on from the last of Europe's colonial possessions. At some point the Africans themselves have to reject corruption, violence and tribalism and begin to work cooperatively for a better life for themselves. No amount of charity on the part of the west can help them with this.
(And yes, I know Africa is a continent and that not all African countries are in this predicament. Still, why have Europe's former Asian colonies done so much better?)
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I would say because they are different sorts of colonies. Our Asian possessions tended to be fairly organised nation states before we got there, and our colonialism was more about the control of trade and overseeing the local administration than the wholesale resource stripping we indulged in in Africa. That's not to say that we didn't rip the locals off for what we could, we just couldn't get away with as much as we could in Africa
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No, but it does have a psyc attack factor of +6, and is a prerequisite to building the Dream Twister in Alpha Centauri.
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By the way, I may be the only person around who has been to every city mentioned in the post. My favorite out of that group was probably Winston-Salem. I really felt like I was in flavor country.
Cheers!
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