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Changes in Earth's Orbit Linked to Extinctions

timothy posted more than 7 years ago | from the avoid-the-large-yellow-barbeque dept.

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Josh Fink writes "A group of Dutch Scientists have recently released a study stating that they have found that changes in Earth's orbit around the sun are linked to mammal extinctions. From the article: '"Extinctions in rodent species occur in pulses which are spaced by intervals controlled by astronomical variations and their effects on climate change..." The cycles are associated with lower temperatures, changes in precipitation, habitats, vegetation and food availability which are the main factors influencing the extinction peaks, the study published in the journal Nature said.' So on top of worrying about global warming, it seems we should also worry about the physics that govern the orbit of Earth around the sun. Too bad we don't have a way of keeping the Earth in the same orbit/on the same axis of rotation."

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We did... (3, Funny)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 7 years ago | (#16407867)

Too bad we don't have a way of keeping the Earth in the same orbit/on the same axis of rotation.

We did until George Bush ordered it to be defunded.

Re:We did... (5, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | more than 7 years ago | (#16407971)

Bush cut funding for Chuck Norris?

Re:We did... (1)

bytesex (112972) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408675)

I think if you read this [newsmeat.com] , you'll notice that it's rather the other way 'round. Sadly, I cannot think up an appropriately funny 'chuck norris fact' for the occasion.

Re:We did... (1, Funny)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#16407979)

That's because it wasn't faith based. He is funding orbital adjustment via Evangelical Christian prayer.

Re:We did... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408249)

Great, but you know... Earth is just to crowded, i dont think God can hear them, maybe we should move them to space, closer to the hevens.

Great, but Earth hasent moved yet, and we approuching a extintion. God must not be able to hear them thru that metal hull, perhaps you should open all the doors and windows, so God can finally hear your prayer...good.

Re:We did... (1)

sherms (15634) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408049)

I'm sure their are plenty of nukes left and we can borrow some from China, india, etc. set them off in the right location and problem solved (blown off orbit and global warming at the same time). If were not blown off orbit we won't have to worry anyway.

Re:We did... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408111)

Too bad we don't have a way of keeping the Earth in the same orbit/on the same axis of rotation.

We did until George Bush ordered it to be defunded.


Women and children hit hardest.

Re:We did... (1)

IflyRC (956454) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408233)

Al Gore will have a slideshow and a movie on this. I think a special is going to run on CURRENT TV soon also.

Re:We did... (4, Funny)

cosinezero (833532) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408319)

Axis of Evil, Axis of Rotation, THEY ALL MUST GO!

Mod Parent Up, Darnit! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408885)

Come on, that was teh funny!

its George Bush's fault (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16407875)

Its Bush's fault. He should have signed the Global Orbital Treaty.
John Kerry says he would have.

actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408491)

John Kerry actually voted for the Global Orbital Treaty before he voted against it.

Not many people realize that.

BTW (2, Informative)

hamburger lady (218108) | more than 7 years ago | (#16407887)

before anyone starts getting all 'see, all you global-warming believers, this is a perfectly rational natural explanation for the current warming trend,' the periods of these natural cycles are on the order of 1.2 and 2.4 million years. not exactly fast-acting.

Re:BTW (1)

QuasarBlazar (1010223) | more than 7 years ago | (#16407973)

But if someone explains that this planetary warming is "normal" how is Al Gore going to make a sequel to his critically acclaimed film debut.

Re:BTW (1)

suntac (252438) | more than 7 years ago | (#16407983)

Tadaa..... You see... But yes I certainly belief this to be true indeed. And they're are numerous reports to back this up scientifically.

Re:BTW (5, Insightful)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408055)

It doesn't account for the massive extinctions such as the Permian. The arrangement of the continents also very likely either exacerbates or minimizes the effects of orbital variations. They also only studied a specific region in Spain (not to mention rodents in particular) which may have been especially prone to subtle climate changes. They need to study a wider geographic and species range.

Re:BTW (2, Interesting)

edunbar93 (141167) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408835)

Sure, but let's just say that rats aren't exactly a fragile, endangered species. They'll probably survive the next world war despite how practically every other species won't.

Re:BTW (1)

traveller604 (961720) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408971)

The arrangement of the continents itself is reason enough to cause a "disaster". Besident around that time there weren't any rodents now were there?

Re:BTW (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408285)

before anyone starts getting all 'see, all you global-warming believers, this is a perfectly rational natural explanation for the current warming trend,' the periods of these natural cycles are on the order of 1.2 and 2.4 million years. not exactly fast-acting."

Bush and the Neocons have been planning this for a while. Let's not pretend the timing doesn't have anything to do with the upcoming elections.

Re:BTW (4, Interesting)

regular_gonzalez (926606) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408383)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_point [wikipedia.org]

Not saying this necessarily applies; just pointing out that just because a process may be gradual does not mean that its consequences can't be sudden.

Re:BTW (3, Interesting)

E++99 (880734) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408595)

Yes, but if someone starts looking at actual science like this, they might notice that ALL the actual mass extinction events in earth's history are cooling events, not warming events. The warming (and increased CO2) means more food availability, more fresh water availablility, and more survivable habitats. The only downside is rising ocean levels, and that is only a downside if you either 1) own ocean-front property, or 2) are planning a trip from Russia to the Americas on foot.

Re:BTW (1)

pauljlucas (529435) | more than 7 years ago | (#16409025)

The only downside is rising ocean levels ...
No it isn't:
  • Europe might be gripped by an ice age [newscientist.com] (despite the global warming).
  • Warmer temperatures elsewhere can accelerate the release of methane [bbc.co.uk] into the atmosphere and that could push global temperatures to increase dramatically. Think Venus.

Wrong... (4, Funny)

CUatTHEFINISH (970078) | more than 7 years ago | (#16407897)

The dinosaurs died because you touch yourself at night. Family Guy told me so.

The solution is obvious! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16407929)

Too bad we don't have a way of keeping the Earth in the same orbit/on the same axis of rotation.

Isn't it obvious?!? We have to find a way to keep all the rodents alive!!!

To start with, I propose a massive government sponsored squirrel feeder project, and a public ban on cats.

Re:The solution is obvious! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408191)

and a public ban on cats
seconded!

Re:The solution is obvious! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408323)

...and let dogs run free, because we all know (from Tom & jerry) that dogs are friends with rats

Move Along (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16407943)

While I am sure those opposed to global warming will hold this study up as evidence that we should continue along our path to wanton self destruction, it represents little more than a blip on the screen when compared with the overwhelming evidence supporting the deleterious effects of greenhouse gases on our environment.

Indeed, while Nature is a well respected publication, it has become little more than a grandstanding rag where special interests buy articles to support their agendas. So junk science like this is given credibility to be used as ammunition against real science.

Re:Move Along (3, Insightful)

guycouch (763243) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408085)

Actually, this study isn't all that new. The globes tilt has been known to be linked to CO2 levels (and temperature) for a while now. The question is how do the effects of greenhouse gases put out by industry compare to this effect, and the answer is not so clear. Yes, obviously many scientists and virtually all non-scientists attribute all of our climate changes to to industry, but we need to remember to be rigorous on both sides of the debate. In short, this is not junk science. And to claim so only shows that you yourself are not a scientist.

Re:Move Along (1)

It'sYerMam (762418) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408805)

In essence, I agree, but I was under the impression that it was virtuall all scientists, and many non-scientists, who believe that our contributions to the greenhouse gasses are significant.

Re:Move Along (2, Informative)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408367)

Or....people, w/o a clue, are reading this and blowing it out of proportions by not keeping it in context. Changes to our atmosphere, because of orbital deviance, happens in the millions of years category.....changes in our environment, due to global warming is happening on a monthly/yearly basis.

So yea, if I edited portions of the article I could make it sound like the orbit change is the reason for global warming.... then again, if i took bits and pieces of the quoran (sp) I could tell people that Allah demands we kill anyone who is not muslim, even if it means we have to kill ourselves to do it.

Moral of the story: Use the whole story, and keep it in context.

Re:Move Along (1)

Hahnsoo (976162) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408441)

While I am sure those opposed to global warming will hold this study up as evidence that we should continue along our path to wanton self destruction, it represents little more than a blip on the screen when compared with the overwhelming evidence supporting the deleterious effects of greenhouse gases on our environment.
Does this even make sense? I think there is a "not" missing in there somewhere. Folks who are OPPOSED to global warming would want to support research into greenhouse gases and find ways to reduce our environmental impact. They certainly wouldn't support evidence to continue "our path to wanton self-destruction". It probably should say something like "While I am sure those opposed to ADVOCATES of the theory of global warming... etc. etc.".
 
For the record, one article does not make Nature a grandstanding rag bought by special interests. You're going to have to show us either the money trail or other such articles to justify that claim.

Re:Move Along (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408553)

Sorry. But global warming (and mankind's involvement therein) is 99.9% hype. So I am telling you to stay out of my garage and my business.

Leave it to Hollywood (1)

XSforMe (446716) | more than 7 years ago | (#16407945)

They figured a way to stop a Supernova, a change on Earth's orbit should be a piece of cake!

Re:Leave it to Hollywood (1)

rlp (11898) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408053)

They figured a way to stop a Supernova, a change on Earth's orbit should be a piece of cake! You can't stop a supernova, but if you're an action movie star you can outrun it.

Re:Leave it to Hollywood (1)

tocs (866673) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408933)

There are villains and bad guys in the movies
not just good guys who want to save the world.

Re:Leave it to Hollywood (1)

sxtxixtxcxh (757736) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408993)

They figured a way to stop suprnova , a change on Earth's orbit should be a piece of cake!
Fixed that for you.

American Obesity (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16407947)

Is causing a wobble in the earth's orbit and causing global warming. Now where is my Nobel prize?

They've got it all wrong... (3, Funny)

justinbach (1002761) | more than 7 years ago | (#16407999)

This is clearly due to world jump day... http://www.worldjumpday.org/ [worldjumpday.org]

Re:They've got it all wrong... (1)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408387)

With rising obesity rates, even World Sit Down At The Same Time Day poses a serious risk to Hammy the Hampster.

Core-mageddon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408003)

Too bad we don't have a way of keeping the Earth in the same orbit/on the same axis of rotation.

That's just daring Hollywood to make an action movie involving a motley crew of dangerously unqualified misfits, nuclear bombs, and terrible depictions of science.

Shortsightedness (5, Funny)

revery (456516) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408033)

Too bad we don't have a way of keeping the Earth in the same orbit/on the same axis of rotation.

You sir are shortsighted. Find someone to blame, add it to the party platform (either one, it doesn't matter) and then fund raise on it. Global Wobbling must be stopped!! We can stop it!!! It won't be stopped if party X get's/keeps control of Congress!!! The time to act is now!!

Please click here to donate 25, 50, 100, 1000 dollars to STOP GLOBAL WOBBLING. You will receive two complimentary pamphlets entitled "The Wobble, the Planet, and You" and "Why is Galileo weeping?". Both are packed with earth-shattering information to help you spread the news of this new threat to our precious freedoms and way of life.

Re:Shortsightedness (1)

hamburger lady (218108) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408119)

Too bad we don't have a way of keeping the Earth in the same orbit/on the same axis of rotation.


if we drop enough bombs on an arab country it might affect the orbit of the earth.

Re:Shortsightedness (1)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408225)

You know how people suggest that having everyone jump at the same time would cause an earthquake?

If we all got on swingsets and swung at the same frequency, we could alter the rotation of the planet. Might even be able to adjust the orbit a little bit.

Re:Shortsightedness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408935)

You know how people suggest that having everyone jump at the same time would cause an earthquake?

No.

But then, I try not to talk to dumb people if I can at all avoid it.

Which leads me to the question of why I came to Slashdot in the first place...

Re:Shortsightedness (1)

IflyRC (956454) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408265)

If Al Gore makes a slide show, I think it will convince enough people to actually do something...maybe make a movie like "Day Before Yesterday" or something.

Re:Shortsightedness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408125)

the same axis of rotation.

I blame Bush, for his inflammatory "axis of evil" speech.

Of course, the North Koreans are going to have to do better than 1/2 kt to destabalize the earth's axis.

Wording (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408045)

Strangely, the headline is worded to imply that extinctions caused changes in the earth's orbit.

Vague article (3, Informative)

novus ordo (843883) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408059)

More info in nature [nature.com] . It seems to do with something called Milankovich cycles [wikipedia.org] . But i guess 'wobble' is specific enough for stuff that matters.

Re:Vague article (1)

Pablo El Vagabundo (775863) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408223)

Orbital dynamics makes me head hurt!!!

Pablo

Freaked out (4, Informative)

wurp (51446) | more than 7 years ago | (#16409065)

The whole tone of this /. post freaked me out. There's no way for there to be 'irregularities' in the Earth's orbit without something with both really high mass and really high velocity interacting with the earth or the sun.

So I read up on Milankovich cycles, and it turns out it's just precession. It's perfectly regular, it's just that in the case of something the size & slow angular velocity of the earth, it takes a really long time to change.

When you spin a top, you can see the axis of spin describe a circle. This is precession.

Likewise as the Earth rotates, there is precession. Also, as the earth orbits the sun, there is precession. These have cycles on the order of tens of thousands of years. Both can affect the climate by changing the angle of sunlight. There are cycles on the order of millions of years long in which the two effects both affect the climate the same way, and so produce a bigger net effect.

I guess wobble is an accurate term, except that to me it implies something irregular. In a system as big and isolated as the Earth's orbit around the Sun, or the Earth's rotation, momentum is king, and very little could cause an irregular change. These changes are just precession, and they're perfectly regular.

I am not a physicist, but I do have a Bachelor of Science in Physics.

Everything is connected (-1, Flamebait)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408069)

OK OK I give up. Just run a story "Everything is linked to Global Warming" and be done with the whole thing. So far only NFL quarterbacks having motorcycle accidents seems to be the only thing not linked to global warming.

Re:Everything is connected (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408107)

...and you just linked it!

Observe:

"140Mandak262Jamuna mentioned NFL quarterbacks having motorcycle accidents in a comment about Global Warning."

Re:Everything is connected (1)

Apocalypse111 (597674) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408175)

Incorrect. Millions of football fans and fantasy football players sighed upon news of Roethlisberger's motorcycle accident, either in relief or exasperation. All that additional hot CO2 released into the atmosphere is dangerous, dammit!

The mods are idiots of a stellar magnitude (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408337)

The parent post is not flamebait. The Slashdot MOD system has become an inbred, retarded, ideological FAILURE!

Easy (1)

Dr. Hok (702268) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408073)

Take the shuttle to Lawanda Kompleks and replace the bedistor to reactivate Course Control.

Re:Easy (1)

syrinx (106469) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408293)

!!!!

Yes. Though you have to find the lower elevator access card to get to the shuttle in Kalamontee Kompleks, and then the shuttle access card to start up the shuttle, and don't carry the cards around at the same time as the magnet...

My favorite piece of IF, and still one of my favorite games ever.

Re:Easy (1)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408883)

Floyd!!!! NOOooooooo!!!!!! Can I be a wuss and admit that the ending made me cry? Best Infocom game ever. [wikipedia.org]

Cyclical what? (4, Insightful)

Loopy (41728) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408123)

Even if we could affect a change in the earth's orbit around the sun, who's to say if that is a good thing? Might that not be akin to preventing all forest fires? Controlled burns are our way of preventing some large/catastrophic forest fires and lightning strikes are nature's way of doing it. What makes us think the "wobble" in our orbit isn't causing cyclical "refresh" events? No, I'm not suggesting some diety is controlling things or that ZOMG WE R AL GOING 2 DIE or anything like that. Just saying we might not yet comprehend the consequences of making this "fix" change. Hell, we are still unable to predict the weather with any certainty more than a day or two out. /shrug

Re:Cyclical what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408509)

What makes us think the "wobble" in our orbit isn't causing cyclical "refresh" events?

Ya, ya... cycle of death and rebirth, circle of life, blah blah. Thanks, Lion King, please keep your "refresh" events to yourself.

Re:Cyclical what? (1)

guy-in-corner (614138) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408965)

While I agree, in broad strokes, with what you're saying, I've got two minor points:

  1. That's "effect"
  2. and "deity"

This post was brought to you by your local chapter of the Grammar and Spelling Association.

So if you survive the comet impacts... (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408135)

...and asteroid impacts, close passes by rogue planets, ice ages, orbital wobbiling, development of nuclear weapons, and the occasional odd supernova in your immediate vicinity, you go on to develop advanced civilization and the Double Whopper with Cheese (tm).

this is bothering me (1)

hyperstation (185147) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408187)

it should be "mammal extinctions linked to changes in earth's orbit", not the other way around...

we ARE responsible (1)

darth_linux (778182) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408193)

Too bad we don't have a way of keeping the Earth in the same orbit/on the same axis of rotation.

I'm sure industrial corporate America is responsible for contributing to the change in rotation. bad, corporate America! BAD!

I've just got one question -- (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408263)

link linked to mammal extinctions.

What what?

can I get a link link?

Cause (1)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408267)

Clearly, this is caused by the precession generated by all those people who are spinning in their graves. I say we dig 'em up and reverse their polarity.

Old Mouse Pad (3, Funny)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408303)

That's not the Earth's orbit causing rodent extinction.

That was the mice [sadgeezer.com] rebooting the Earth while debugging it.

Since the users of our iPlanet are bailing out now without the system shutting down, I expect we're obsolete. Get ready to do your part for the firewall they turn us into.

Too bad we don't ... (0)

Rip!ey (599235) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408311)

Too bad we don't have a way of keeping the Earth in the same orbit/on the same axis of rotation.

Too bad we don't have a way of controlling the Earth's orbit. Then we could move it a little bit further out to offset global warming.

Surely meteorites? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408339)

but surely both extinctions and changes in orbit could be explained by meteorite impacts in one fell swoop?

Re:Surely meteorites? (1)

thepacketmaster (574632) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408485)

I'm now physics expert, but I would certainly think a meteor slamming into the Earth with enough momentum could shift the orbit or tilt the axis. So the change in orbit might be a secondary effect to the impact, with the primary effects being the decrease in temperature due to ash in the air.

Re:Surely meteorites? (1)

StarfishOne (756076) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408881)

I'm not an physics expert either, but I fear that a meteor that is big enough to change the orbit of Earth or tilt its axis would probably be linked to exinctions as well.

nope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408913)

For a metorite (actually asteroid) to measurably change the orbit, it would have to be in the size range of of Cuba.

One that large would would wipe out every species on the planet except maybe some bacteria/algae.

Re:Surely meteorites? (1)

WhiplashII (542766) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408983)

I was assuming that if that happened (and it takes a huge meteor to alter the Earth's orbit!), they wouldn't be able to tell (no one was around to notice it that can still tell us). My assumption was that they back tracked the Earth's orbit, and noticed that every time an alignment with Jupiter changed our orbit, lots of stuff died. (Jupiter is to blame for almost every orbital change in the solar system. In many ways, Jupiter is a lot like Bush...)

How else would you know?

Model orbital changes on your own compy (5, Interesting)

HoneyBeeSpace (724189) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408343)

We don't have animals in our climate model, but if you'd like to see how orbit effects climate, you can do so yourself.

The EdGCM [columbia.edu] project has wrapped a NASA GCM in a graphical interface. You can double-click to install, and if you'd like to turn the sun down a few percent or change the orbit, there are checkboxes and sliders. Press play, wait a while (hours to a day or so depending on your computer), and you can look at the results...

Disclaimer: I'm the developer.

Just imagine... (2, Insightful)

nevergleam (900375) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408379)

What if we solved global warming a few hundred years from now, reversed a lot of the temperature increases we found we are directly responsible for, and over that time the Earth's orbit/rotation changed such that an Ice Age was triggered? Oh noes! Suddenly global warming doesn't seem all that bad, does it?

Suppose again someone in charge actually accepted my supposition and decided global warming research was pointless.

Ok, I'm done making improbable suppositions.

Duh! (2, Funny)

ThreeDeadTrolls (944446) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408411)

Blame it on microsoft, it makes everyone so much more happier.

Wait... (0, Troll)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408415)

How do animal extinctions change the Earth's orbit?

As for moving the Earth's orbit, they did that in Gorath. [imdb.com]

They cover Antarctica with giant, city-sized rocket engines. Yep. SOLID science fiction, baby.

Re:Wait... (1)

Zixia (534893) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408469)

How do animal extinctions change the Earth's orbit?

Right on. The headline should read 'Extinctions linked to changes in Earth's orbit'. Silly editors.

Re:Wait... (1)

Woldry (928749) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408979)

Why? "linked to" != "cause of", it simply indicates that there is a link between the two. "Linked" is a commutative relationship.

Two alternative explanations of extinction (1)

carpeweb (949895) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408425)

It's not the rotation, it's the tilt [sciam.com]

The earth did it [sciam.com] ]

Of course, the better known theory that an asteroid caused the dinosaur extinction 65 million years ago might also be related to changes in earth's orbit, no?

nope, sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408477)

Not possible. We all know any and all changes in global temperature are caused solely by SUVs, and anyone disagreeing is obviously in the pocket of the Big Oil companies, and probably believes the Earth was created 6000 years ago.

(btw -- chimpy mcbushitler is the devil, no blood for oil, make love not war, we will know peace in our time, etc)

Learn to write (1)

Ideasware (923312) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408503)

You meant to say "extinctions linked to changes in Earth's orbit", which is not the same thing. As for the global warming conclusions -- the article makes excellent points about how fairly minor changes in basic climatic conditions can have far-reaching consequences, including fatal impact on life. The fact that the current climate changes are 1) hard to diagnose, 2) hard to predict does not undercut the need to adjust emissions & pollution policy to prevent realistic bad consequences.

Keep on choking us (0, Flamebait)

wift (164108) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408507)

Yeah, by all means feel free to keep pumping crap into the atmosphere that is slowly killing the planet if not by heat just by poison. I think the global warming stuff is secondary to throwing toxins into the air and ground so that our own food is making us sick. Either case, dialing the output a bit wouldn't hurt as much as the industrial companies lead you to believe.

Re:Keep on choking us (1)

IflyRC (956454) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408575)

*lights up a cigarette*...umm k.

Bring it on.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408517)

as a resident of canada.. who lives through 2 seasons every year.. winter and the partial thaw before the next winter.. i say BRING IT ON..

Global warming sounds like a good idea to me..

Did I mention they're calling for snow today??

Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408561)

Was it link link linked or just link linked?

Cause of wobbling, found! (1)

MaXiMiUS (923393) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408583)

News at 6. [unpackable.org]

Global Warming: Obsessing Over Cause (1, Flamebait)

CheeseburgerBrown (553703) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408645)

I was arguing about global warming the other night with my half-senile extreme right-wing nutjob father-in-law. He maintained with great vehemence that the causes of global warming are debatable, therefore any emphasis on moderating pollution is a misdirected effort.

My view is that, regardless of the causes of global warming, wouldn't moderating pollution help to mitigate the effects? The cause be damned -- if there's something we can do to control the process by a few degrees isn't that worth doing?

Why all the obsession with cause to the detriment of consequence?

If the planet may be subject to orbital shifts that change the climate, shouldn't our civilization be empowered to do whatever it can to minimize such changes insofar as they represent a threat to our current au courant version of the ecosystem?

Environment vs Biology (1)

gstegman (988905) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408743)

TFA ends with the ominous sentence:

"The environment is responsible to what happens to species," said Van Dam. "Biological factors are secondary, according to our results."


Isn't it the biological factors that really effect a creature's ability to deal with the environment. I mean TFA actually states that rodents are susceptible because of their short lifespans... um, that's biology.

It is a combination of factors that causse extinctions, not just one single thing.

We need you, Archimedes! (1)

ByteSlicer (735276) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408763)

Too bad we don't have a way of keeping the Earth in the same orbit/on the same axis of rotation.
Give me the place to stand [and a very long and strong bar], and I shall move the earth.

Other way round (1)

craagz (965952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408781)

if some species can get extinct..will the change in orbit et al. result in emergence of new species?

Archimedes (1)

StarfishOne (756076) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408797)

[quote]Too bad we don't have a way of keeping the Earth in the same orbit/on the same axis of rotation.[/quote]

Archimedes once said:

"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world."

So at least we have a outline of what needs to be solved ;)

Oh, no. Not another one, please. (0, Troll)

buckysphere (1011323) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408811)

First, we had the pending doom of the New Ice Age (Global Cooling) in the 1970's (remember that? Of course not). When that failed to produce tons of money for the enviro-weenies' "research" and funding and votes for the libs' political campaigns, they invented the Global Warming hysteria which actually gained them tons of money...now this? What the F could possibly be next? I can hear it now:

  "Katie, this just in...we are hearing reports that large quantities of space alien shit have finally made their way into our solar system from some far-off galaxy and it is heading straight for Earth! Run for your lives! Oh, the humanity!! Oh...wait...new report coming in...we CAN stop this shittroid afterall - make your check or money order payable to...".

Please, for the love all things, don't give the mis-guided, naive, dopey, liberal teenagers and other similar idiots a reason to adhere another whiney dumbass bumper sticker to their car. Bumper-to-bumper traffic sucks enough already.

Of Course its Bush's fault! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408813)

And of course the first post mentioned Bush by name since he, according to liberals, slashdotter knee jerkys and other ill informed intellectuals, he is repsonsible for all of the worlds problems.

Listen up dumbasses or maybe your just to filled up with your own self fullfing scientific prophesy to see the light....

MAYBE GLOBAL WARMING IS, NO I THINK MORE THAN LIKELY THAT GW IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE EARTHS ORBIT AND AXIS AROUND THE SUN, A ONGOING PROCESS WITH A HISTORY OF 5 BILLION PLUS YEARS!

Pull your heads out of your asses and think about it. The earth has a geologic history that conclusively points in this direction. Nuff said, see ya!

Did anybody else read (1)

EEJD (901217) | more than 7 years ago | (#16408825)

that as the orbit of the earth was changing because of mammal extinctions?

Re:Did anybody else read (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16408999)

The wording of the /. posting is somewhat missleading. Makes it sound like the Earth is wobbling because of the extinctions! Even the Reuters title is a bit confusing.

Re:Did anybody else read (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 7 years ago | (#16409027)

yes, that's what I first thought, but when I read further...

I was able to interpret it meant, mammals were becoming extinct because of the orbit changes

So what really happened? (1)

IceFoot (256699) | more than 7 years ago | (#16409085)

TFA totally neglects telling us what the orbital/rotational changes were, or what caused them. Bad science reporting!

Hellloooo? Any astrophysicists out there who can tell us what really happened?

WHAT?! (1)

w3weasel (656289) | more than 7 years ago | (#16409099)

Changes in astronomical variables can effect the climate? No effing way! This is a hoax meant to distract you from thinking that your car is the sole cause of global warming.

What are these people smokin'! (1, Troll)

Black-Six (989784) | more than 7 years ago | (#16409103)

Is there anyone else who fail's to see the logic in such things as global warming and mass extinctions affecting the orbit of the Earth? I mean come on guys come up with something that actually has the ability to be proven and/or not able to be biased souley to the opinion of the Ph.D.'s in that feild. Come up with something that can be physically proven, repeated several times with same results, and don't setup the test so that it's so tipped in your favor that nobody else but you can be proven right. Now I know I'll get modded for being off-topic but this example is from personal experience and shows exactly whats going on here. One of my co-workers at Wal-Mart is studying enviromental science and we got into a heated debate over global warming. She told me that after 1 hour of operation a car produces more CO2 than there is in 1 cubic KM of air at 35,000 feet. As soon as I began to attack the method of testing that proved her data true, she immediatley began the "I'm right, you're wrong!" course of thinking and wouldn't hear of anything that might actually prove global warming wrong. She said that if that test method isn't used (geusstimation and very closely rounded numbers made to fit there uses), then we are all doomed to live through another Ice Age in the very near future.

Yes I agree that things like these need to be taken seriously, to a certain degree though. If its out of our control why worry about it and make others lifes suck, just to justify our own point of view?

Just my $.02!
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