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You're kidding right? (0)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512455)

How many episodes of season 3 have been produced so far? Please please tell me it's more than 10.

Re:You're kidding right? (4, Informative)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512481)

The article is talking about "webisodes" - 3-minute promotional mini-episodes you can get off the net - not BSG itself.

I'm waiting for the DVD, like the last 2-1/2 seasons. Much more fun to watch it all in a couple of sittings.

Re:You're kidding right? (5, Informative)

denebian devil (944045) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512493)

FTA: "NBC Universal, the studio behind "Battlestar," refused to pay residuals or credit the writers of these "Webisodes," claiming they're promotional materials. So "Battlestar" executive producer Ron Moore said he wouldn't deliver any more of them, including the 10 that were already in the can."

10 refers to the Webisodes, not to the episodes of Season 3 running on SciFi itself.

Re:You're kidding right? (5, Funny)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512537)

You can see 'em here
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/ [scifi.com]

Or go find them on bittorrent as .avi's
(which is what I did)
(it's not like the writers are getting residuals anyways)

Re:You're kidding right? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512691)

(it's not like the writers are getting residuals anyways)

What's your justification for downloading the TV episodes?

Re:You're kidding right? (2, Informative)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512789)

Uh, he goes to scifi.com and clicks on all their ad banners for 20 minutes a week.

Seriously though, the webisodes were free to view online. I think getting a torrent of them serves the same promotional purpose. IMO the best way to watch the 10 that were released is as the single recut episode that combines them all.

Re:You're kidding right? (4, Interesting)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512865)

Considering they are free, it seems nobody from outside the North American mainland can view them. I tried last week and got stopped because it located my IP. What's the point when a determined person can get round the block anyway and then dump them on a P2P network and in the process create that avenue for your future non-american customers?

Re:You're kidding right? (4, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513179)

Considering they are free, it seems nobody from outside the North American mainland can view them.
Eventually, if they ever decide to take this show overseas, they'll want to reuse all the same content & promo materials.

It can also be a matter of contract rights.
IE Sci-Fi doesn't have the overseas contract rights for he show.

Re:You're kidding right? (4, Insightful)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513463)

Yeah I'm aware of this and thought it was most likely, but I still wanted to mention it. I also want to mention that the internet sucks, not in a post dot.com bubble ironic sort of way but as a fact. I think we have to accept the fact that the internet isn't going to change the world, but the internet is being changed by the world to suit their existing business models. Its the reason why iTunes isn't 1 store but 21 stores.

Re:You're kidding right? (1, Interesting)

M1FCJ (586251) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513605)

You can't get more overseas than UK where the BSG gets shown before US.

I don't even have a TV but I know that quite a lot of people travel over the Atlantic in their private jets to get the UK aired shows regularly (as opposed to downloading them from a torrent).

Re:You're kidding right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16514781)

Actually there is quite a few countries in europe who air BSG.

Youtube, baby. Go watch them now. (4, Informative)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513751)

Go to Youtube.com and search for "galactica webisode" [youtube.com] and you'll find they've all been posted. If you use the Firefox browser, you can install the Videodownloader extension and that will let you save youtube videos to your harddrive. So say we all.

Re:Youtube, baby. Go watch them now. (2, Insightful)

zero_offset (200586) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514589)

Yay! Then you can watch them in depressingly over-aggressive hyper-compressed format. Awesome.

Re:You're kidding right? (1)

kwark (512736) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513545)

For some people downloading is still legal use of copyrighted materials!

Re:You're kidding right? (-1, Flamebait)

krahli (556957) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512635)

Please tell me they're not as boring as the three we have seen so far.

Re:You're kidding right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512985)

My god, man, you didn't even have to RTFA to get an idea and you managed to even fuck that up. Right there it says in the article topic (what, too lazy to read one line before posting?) that these were the WEBisodes. Way to waste a first post AND karma in the process.

Simple solution (5, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512459)

Send in 6 to negotiate. That cylon seems to get her way most of the time, for some reason.

Re:Simple solution (4, Funny)

ericdano (113424) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512983)

Gee, I wonder why. Could it be the legs? The lips? She's no 6, she's an 11 for sure.

True, she's not a 6...but.... (5, Funny)

CFD339 (795926) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513301)

She's no 7 (of 9) either.

Re:True, she's not a 6...but.... (-1, Offtopic)

MSTCrow5429 (642744) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513363)

Lotus Notes? I couldn't figure out how to use it...so I use Thunderbird instead.

Re:True, she's not a 6...but.... (0, Offtopic)

mikelieman (35628) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513439)

Every single damn time I think of the Saga of Jeri and Jack Ryan, I can't help but feel, what's that word....

Re:True, she's not a 6...but.... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16514059)

Yourself?

Re:True, she's not a 6...but.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16514469)

From the almighty Wiki [wikipedia.org]:

"It was revealed that, six years previously, Jeri had accused Jack Ryan of asking her to perform sexual acts with him in public, and in adult clubs in New York, New Orleans, and Paris. Jeri Ryan described one as "a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling." These disclosures led Jack Ryan to withdraw his Republican candidacy for an open United States Senate seat in Illinois."

I wonder if "asking her to perform" is a pleasant euphemism for "coerced her into performing", which would be a little surreal if you happen to frequent the adult clubs in New York, New Orleans, and Paris:

Guy 1: "Hey, did I just see 7 of 9 giving head over there in the corner?"
Guy 2: "Shit, where do I sign up?"

To clarify (1, Informative)

TheGreatHegemon (956058) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512503)

This is NOT the actual BSG series! Sci-Fi will keep screening all of BSG. These referred to the webisodes that were online just before Season 3 was released, and narrated the formation of the the resistance.

Re:To clarify (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512809)

That must have been why the summary said the 'Webisodes' of Battlestar Galactica.

Re:To clarify (2, Funny)

Legion303 (97901) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513053)

"These referred to the webisodes"

Like it says right there in the title and writeup. Thanks for clearing that up.

Gosh darn it! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512525)

Now I'll have to download torrents of the full episodes and watch them on my Palm.

Uh.... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512527)

This is an industry-wide battle between creatives and network/studio execs that goes way beyond this one show. Most of the unions [wga.org] completely messed up years ago negotiating residuals for the home markets (VHS and DVDs especially), so there's a LOT of resistence to giving away the farm this time. (Many writers, for example, in movie animation get zero [latimes.com] residuals.) Unfortunately, there's a lot of momentum and precedents that resulted from the previous mistakes, so it's kind of an uphill battle for the writers, directors, actors guilds. The future gets even more complicated when writers, actors, and other artists work directly for the Internet, for phones, for games, etc. and when "reality" shows claim to not have writers at all or won't allow their writers to organize [wga.org]. Plus there's the issue of residuals for older content that wasn't even imagined when the shows were produced in the first place.

So yeah, it's a mess, and there's gonna be conflict in this arena for a while.

Re:Uh.... (5, Insightful)

Livius (318358) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512613)

What is wrong with TV executives? Most TV writing is appallingly bad - and they pick a fight with the best writer they've got? (And since it sounds like NBC is in the wrong anyway.)

Re:Uh.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512949)

They obviously are very concerned that the artists get their fair share.

free witing, but nbc owns it? (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512549)

NBC Universal, the studio behind "Battlestar," refused to pay residuals or credit the writers of these "Webisodes," claiming they're promotional materials.

not pay writers? sheet. if these people worked for nbc, would nbc not pay them for the time during their work day they wrote?

"you get no pay, peon, that was your break!"

see how they feel if you lift the webisodes an puth them on your own site.

Re:free witing, but nbc owns it? (4, Interesting)

BladesP9 (722608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512631)

Right now NBC Universal is in the process of doing a lot of quirky things. I heard just today they're scaling back production of their "8-9pm dramas" to make room for more game a reality-type shows because they are cheaper to produce. NBC Universal is rumored to be about to lay off 700 people as a result of dropping profits and what not. Personally, I think it's a crock of crap and is just the studio making a cash grab and trying to screw the creative types out of their money. It's been a historical theme that business people will always try to screw creative people.... however the creative types today are a lot smarter than they used to be. It should be interesting to see how it shapes out. With all of the on-demand and downloadable styles of content, I think it's prudent to make sure these businesses remain viable - but screwing the artists isn't the way to do it.

Re:free witing, but nbc owns it? (1)

M1FCJ (586251) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513793)

It's a business. If the creative people want to make art but not a living, they can always go and to theatre.

The lack of good content on TV made me get rid of mine years ago, I haven't looked back. You Tube is as bad as TV, it is just more stupid stuff but any time you want it! :)

Re:free witing, but nbc owns it? (5, Interesting)

psiphiorg (566033) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512841)

> not pay writers? sheet. if these people worked for nbc, would nbc not pay them for the time during their work day they wrote?

Nobody said that they weren't paid at all. The article just says that they don't get paid residuals, which are extra payments, above and beyond what they are initially paid for their work, that writers (among other professions) get paid when their material is aired again, whether as a regular rerun during the season, during a marathon, or in syndication.

There are some good debatable issues here. When the show is broascast on television as a rerun, that is obviously a second airing, which generates residuals. But when is the "second airing" for a downloadable episode?

If one million people download an episode over the course of one week, should that count as one million "airings", or seven (one per day), or just one (for the week)?

If residuals are to be based on how long an episode is available for download, will that cause networks to remove episodes after a week, because to keep it up longer would trigger more payments to the writers (et al.)?

davidh

Re:free witing, but nbc owns it? (5, Informative)

bm_luethke (253362) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513347)

One of the other issues is that revenue is not a standard term. If it were then you could negotiate that you garner a specific percentage of that revenue.

The problem is that no one will do gross. That is reasonable - there are many places where a real gross is really really high and the real net is zero or a loss. Take advertising for instance - pretty much all a loss (and this is where the OP is talking about). While it is purely a cost, it still increases net revenue by quite a bit.

If you do net then the studios play with costs - every thing becomes one and non-solid costs are greatly inflated. Say, for instance, one could say the five minutes by the studio exec to read over a document and sign it cost the company 5 million, to be deducted from the gross (and since it grossed 4 million that is a loss). Therefore you get no money. This occurs quite often.

If the studios were somewhat honest this wouldn't be such an issue. You could simply do a percentage of net income (or maybe even gross income). However the powers that be try and actively screw people out of money and are in a position to do so easily. Do all of them do it? I do not know - I suspect there are honest players out there who figure a happy well compensated employee makes you MUCH more than a screwed one (which is very true). However from my view it seems pretty much all the big players do not do this - including trying hard line DRM initiatives that screw customers (read - the RIAA and MPAA).

Eh, this is what a union is for. I've seen many cases where unions demand unreasonable ideas (it has resulted in more than one company moving labor out of country). Yet, this is precisely what they are intended to fix. If nearly everyone decides to do this there is no choice, if enough choose to go around the union then maybe it isn't that harsh on you and you need to re-evaluate your complaints. That's a free market for you.

Re:free witing, but nbc owns it? (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514629)

Unions only help here if you think you are replacable. If you think you are a better writer than most everybody else and you aren't getting a fair deal, you say 'well fuck you then' and go work with somebody willing to pay what you are worth.

I like BSG as much as the next guy (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512585)

but let's face it. Unions and guilds exist solely to extract more money from the networks than is just. They are really nothing more than cartels of labor engaged in unfair price fixing. I won't cry a tear to see them busted *shrug*

Re:I like BSG as much as the next guy (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512685)

Obviously, you're not a writer.

I am. And if I write something, I get paid for it. End of story.

If you RTFA, you might note that the network is claiming it doesn't have to pay for the webisodes because they're "promotional materials," as though that somehow means that the content just magically appeared. The network is trying to get something for nothing, and they're giving the content creators - without whom the network is nothing - the shaft.

Re:I like BSG as much as the next guy (5, Insightful)

hibbs02 (1004074) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513309)

Here is the bottom line: If the company is making money off of the webisodes then the writers deserve their piece under union rules. However, if they are given away for free then they are indeed promotional materials and as such the writers/actors don't deserve any extra cash. For example, should the writers get paid for each time a BSG commercial airs? No, its just promotion for the show for which they do get paid.

I got the webisodes for free, did you guys pay? Really, I don't know.

Re:I like BSG as much as the next guy (3, Insightful)

agent dero (680753) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514577)

What a shallow argument, what if the suits decide that really, the season premiere episode is really just promotional content for the entire season? What if they offer up that episode as a free download on the iTunes Store (as a good bit of pilots, and season premieres seem to be these days).

Shouldn't the writers get their residuals for those too?

Bottom line, if you want promotional content, hiring an advertising firm, if you're creating something regardless of length or what you decide to do with it, you should still be paying those creative folks their proper dues.

Re:I like BSG as much as the next guy (2, Interesting)

Swtzrs (1006017) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514611)

You're very much correct about these being very easily classified as promotional materials. Strictly speaking - they are. The problem is that is exactly what will prevent this sort of new style of content from being created by anyone who isn't trying to sell you something. BSG tries something different with their show and they get screwed by it. They get a clear message from the network bosses - "Go ahead and come up with these new ways to produce content - just don't expect to get paid for it" (okay, they got paid, just not as much as they were expecting) This war over one's fair share of the pile of cash on the table is pretty much inevitable, and we should be surprised that its holding back development of new forms of content. If NBC wanted to REALLY tweak the BSG folks, they should string all the 'webisodes' together, air them on TV along with commercials. Call it a 'commer-sode' and refuse to pay residuals.

Re:I like BSG as much as the next guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512757)

I am in a union. I wish the truth was even a fraction of the way closer to your assessment.

Beyond Jericho? (3, Interesting)

SleepyHappyDoc (813919) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512653)

I wonder if this is related or similar to what happened to the Jericho webisodes...there was one, corresponding to the pilot, but now the CBS website has been re-worked to remove all references to it.

Pay them (3, Insightful)

Tod DeBie (522956) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512677)

As I recall, actors were not initially paid for VHS sales because they were not covered in the contract...

These things are clearly more than commericals and the actors should be paid. Heck, even actors in commericals get paid.

follow the money... (1)

samnice (879259) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512759)

i wonder how much of an issue this would be if this weren't such a good show/season for scifi.
"The show saw bigger gains in the viewers age 25 to 54 demographic (seven percent), and viewers 18 to 49 (4 percent)." http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2006/10/se ason_three_premieres_with_strong_ratings.shtml [gateworld.net]
seems like everyone was cool with the arrangement last month. or else, why would the first three have gone up without a problem?

Maybe since there is a new medium? (3, Insightful)

Warbringer87 (969664) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512761)

I know some people must have seen this comming, but you'd think they'd act before this became such a big issue. As time goes on, I am sure some new method of distributing stuff or new forms of media will eventually cause this problem again. If they didn't think of this being a problem all those years ago, what lies down the road in 10, 20 years time?

scripts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512763)

why can't I get residuals for the applicaton I wrote last year? it was a script and I wrote it.....

Please don't fuck this up NBC (5, Insightful)

be-fan (61476) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512787)

Whatever BSG's writers want, give it to them. They're far better than the writers on nearly every other one of your shows, and is one of the highlights of a network this is otherwise deservedly in last place among the big four.

Re:Please don't fuck this up NBC (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512833)

Clearly you have not seen Studio 60.

from someone in the biz (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16512793)

I write music for some of these shows and let me tell you, you have no idea how deep the well goes. Most of us get ZERO royalties per download off of shows on itunes. ASCAP/BMI refuses to track them on the internet. Thus, as the viewing audience shifts, they are trying to squeeze us out. It's amazing really.

Re:from someone in the biz (1)

bm_luethke (253362) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513275)

"It's amazing really."

It is? It seems pretty much par for the course to me. Apparently you do not pay that much attention to the business end of your industry. This is what occurs when you fail to do so.

Re:from someone in the biz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16513415)

could you clarify what you mean by that? are you telling me that they do in fact track downloads of tv shows on itunes? Last time I checked they do not. What is it that I "failed" to do? if by fail you mean failing to forsee that itunes would sell tv shows four years ago than yeah, you got me.

Re:from someone in the biz (2, Insightful)

clymere (605769) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513437)

I believe his point was that you shouldn't be "amazed" at their attempt to squeeze you out. That sort of thing is business as usual for any large corporation.

Re:from someone in the biz (4, Insightful)

demallien2 (991621) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514415)

Wait, if that's true (I note that you posted as an AC...), I just had a horrible thought. We have DRM on the iTunes episodes because we are told that this stops pirating, so people pay for the episode instead. The networks tell us this is a good thing, because it means more money to pay for more shows = more content for us. But now we are being told that the money doesn't go back to the creative talent, ie presumably it goes into the oversized pockets of company execs/shareholders. Come again?!?!

Please note, I am one of the rare /.ers that actually believes DRM to be a reasonable idea. I write software for a living, and don't like the idea that others can just take my products that I have worked hard on without me getting anything in return. I even do DRM for a living just at the moment! But still, DRM is ONLY justifiable if the money made means more content (better content!) is produced.

Tomorrow, on MSNBC (4, Funny)

Gerocrack (979018) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512795)

Marc Graboff, West Coast president of NBC Universal TV, was torn in half by a conflicted Victoria's Secret model.

Watchmen (5, Informative)

dunsurfin (570404) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512797)

DC Comics pulled a similar stunt on Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons with Watchmen badges ("pins" to the American audience). The badges were sold in comic stores and used the iconic designs that Moore had envisioned and Gibbons had illustrated. DC Comics happily cashed the proceeds but did not send any of the profits to Moore and Gibbons since these were "promotional items." Alan Moore did not react well to this....

Re:Watchmen (3, Interesting)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512965)

That was sleazy. If the item is intended to be purchased by the person getting the item, it's definitely not a promotional item, or at least in my opinion, it shouldn't be. That's one of the kind of things I am not surprised to read about with regards to the comic book industry.

It may be "promotional," but... (3, Interesting)

denebian devil (944045) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512861)

Seems to me as much creative energy went into creating those webisodes as did the full TV episodes (albeit 3 minutes at a time). It's not like the webisodes are just clips of scenes from other episodes all strung together into a 30 second commercial... they are all unique content, things you can't get from just watching TV episodes.

I wonder if the actors got paid for the time they spent shooting those "promotions." Or makeup, costume, cameramen, the list goes on.

Re:It may be "promotional," but... (0)

sakusha (441986) | more than 7 years ago | (#16512969)

Seems to me as much creative energy went into creating those webisodes as did the full TV episodes (albeit 3 minutes at a time). It's not like the webisodes are just clips of scenes from other episodes all strung together into a 30 second commercial... they are all unique content, things you can't get from just watching TV episodes.

Did you actually watch the webisodes? The new content is about 30 seconds per webisode, the rest is titles and a commercial made from clips of the upcoming series. They ran the same 2 clip commercials over and over, across the 10 webisodes. So this whole fuss is over 5min of original made-for-the-web content.
There are other obvious problems with this new season's shows. Apparently they got tired of spending so much money on computer graphics, so almost all of the new shows are set in a muddy field, with some tents and some junk. It's turned into a freaking soap opera about mommies and babies. Fuck that shit, I want to see some nuclear explosions in space!

Re:It may be "promotional," but... (1)

Benaiah (851593) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513015)

I only started watching BStar because it looked cool. I dont want it to become a soap :(

With reguards to the issue. The gap between rich and poor will keep getting wider until disgruntled workers on 50 times less income than board directors go to Annual GM's with UZI's spraying blood all over the place. Pretty soon directors will start paying attention to the little guys.

Re:It may be "promotional," but... (-1, Troll)

Jartan (219704) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513065)

There are other obvious problems with this new season's shows. Apparently they got tired of spending so much money on computer graphics, so almost all of the new shows are set in a muddy field, with some tents and some junk. It's turned into a freaking soap opera about mommies and babies. Fuck that shit, I want to see some nuclear explosions in space!


You mean it got even worse? I stopped watching the show pretty quickly because I was disgusted by them constantly doing stupid stuff like that. It seemed apparent from the start to me that the sci fi aspects of the show were going to be mostly plot devices and they'd avoid battlestars real subject matter. The whole "human" psylon thing to avoid the cost of fancy robot graphics was the clincher in the end for me.

Re:It may be "promotional," but... (5, Insightful)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513185)

NOTICE: Possible Spoilers

Apparently they got tired of spending so much money on computer graphics, so almost all of the new shows are set in a muddy field, with some tents and some junk. It's turned into a freaking soap opera about mommies and babies. Fuck that shit, I want to see some nuclear explosions in space!

OK. First of all, Galactica is a drama set in space. It's not a scifi kill-fest. The awesome explosions and Viper vs. Raider battles are incidental to the plot. The show gets all its acclaim and awards (and most of its audience) from the script and acting. Without that, the show won't have lasted into season 2.

And the current situation on the planet is symbolically critical - recall the line last week when Tyrol said "We're going home" in reference to reassembling the fleet, when the whole first 2 seasons they wanted a planet to call home, they've found out (both before and during the occupation) that maybe there's more to a new home than soil. Also, you'll be getting your wish in Exodus Part 2, I bet, with 2 battlestars vs. 5 basestars, and 1000 resistance fighters versus the Cylons on the ground.

Back on topic: The webisodes were short (a total of about 15 minutes of content), but they are vital to introducing Duck and Jammer and their choices. Seeing the webisodes helps with the Duck-related scenes in "Occupation", and Jammer's conflicts in the other two episodes. It also really reveals the full irony of Tyrol's conversation with Jammer about Gaeta. That will echo through to at least Episode 5 "Collaborators".

Re:It may be "promotional," but... (1)

cyberdanx (937677) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514615)

Spoiler: (a depressed fat) Lee Adama will take the second battlestar and the ships to search for Earth. They will not be part of the fight. Just the Gallatica. It was a big part of Exodus part 1, Apollo resolving stuff with his father and maybe getting back to his old self. That is unless they bring it back to save the day.

I agree it's more like a drama. Lots of interesting stuff will happen in the next few episodes. Giaus time is running out. It's going to be interesting to see what happens and maybe we'll find out why six is in his head and he in hers. It would be too predictable if he was a cylon. I also wonder what Odama means in the clips when he says he started it. Will be interesting.

Re:It may be "promotional," but... (1)

Aqualung812 (959532) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514745)

Yes, but in the preview for part two, Sharon walks into Colonial 1 and says "Two battlestars just jumped into orbit. Adama is back"

Now, that can mean Lee changes his mind at the last minute, or maybe they launch a ECM pod that looks like a battlestar for a decoy, but we have not seen them do that before. Maybe a raptor has ECM ability to look like a battlestar.

Re:It may be "promotional," but... (1)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514855)

Thanks for the spoiler warning. I didn't read the rest of your post because of it, but this seemed an opportune moment to point out that those of us outside the US couldn't even download the webisodes before this mess all came down, apparently (if I read the blogs right) because of similar problems over who had rights to what. So even if they were "promotional", the only thing they promoted to the non-US audience was that the studio were trying to screw us. Of course, given the whole "Series 2.0" DVD box set fiasco (check out the comments on Amazon) it's not a great surprise. What a shame, for a show that's one of the better ones of recent times, to be backed by such silly politics.

Re:It may be "promotional," but... (4, Informative)

Bishop923 (109840) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513073)

I'm sure that everyone got paid for the time they put in, just like anyone else with a normal job. This boils down to residuals, or a share of the profits from distribution. Imagine that you are a programmer working on some application. You get paid for the time you put in, but 99% of the time, it doesn't matter wether the company sells 1 copy or 1 million, you don't see a cut of the profits. The entertainment industry is different, since most of the jobs are short term contract work, the actors/writers/directors etc get paid x amount specified in their contract and they rely on residuals to get them thru the times when they don't have work.

In some ways it is hard to feel for either side, The networks are the typical bloated-big-company-screw-the-little-guy types and the creatives whine about not getting more money beyond what they were already paid.(I'd love to see the Photoshop team decide that they aren't going to deliver CS3 unless Adobe gives them a cut of each sale...)

Ultimately this is going to come to a head and the creatives will figure out that they don't need the networks to distribute their content

Re:It may be "promotional," but... (1)

jacobw (975909) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514315)

In some ways it is hard to feel for either side, The networks are the typical bloated-big-company-screw-the-little-guy types and the creatives whine about not getting more money beyond what they were already paid.(I'd love to see the Photoshop team decide that they aren't going to deliver CS3 unless Adobe gives them a cut of each sale...)

Actually, a better analogy might be if Adobe had lured the programmers to their jobs with the promise that they WOULD get a cut of each sale. And then Adobe asked them to stay at work even later than they normally do and work on porting CS3 to web-browsers. And then Adobe said, "Even though from your point of view 30 hours spent programming is 30 hours spent programming whatever platform its ends up being used on, we are viewing the web version as a promotional item, and you won't get a cut."

And the programmers said, "But you're selling ad space on the webpage. You're making money off it."

And Adobe said, "Sorry. If you don't like it, take it to your union."

Now imagine that computer programming was a highly unstable profession, where any project you worked on could get canceled at any moment, and in any case, once you hit your 40's, you would cease to be hot and hip and might never work again--which means you'll be living off your software "residuals" for many years to come.

And you've got a pretty good idea of how the Battlestar Galactica writers feel.

Re:It may be "promotional," but... (2, Insightful)

$1uck (710826) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514567)

Now imagine that computer programming was a highly unstable profession, where any project you worked on could get canceled at any moment, and in any case, once you hit your 40's, you would cease to be hot and hip and might never work again--which means you'll be living off your software "residuals" for many years to come.

Why would one have to imagine? Isn't this the case? I suppose maybe at 40 you don't cease to be hip in the programming world, but if you don't keep up with whatever tech its the same and could happen when you're 25 or 35 or 55 and we don't get residuals. Although I thought some programmers or designers earned royalties? is that only in games? Or is it even in games? Are royalties anagolous to residuals?

phew... god damn misleading slashdot post (1)

atarione (601740) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513011)

luckily FTA the dispute appears to be limited to "webisodes" the producers are refusing to make any more of the webisodes until the compensation issue is resolved. it does not appear to impact that actual episodes of the TV series however.

Preemptive strike (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16513041)

Since the web is likely to be the future of television this is more of setting a standard for compensation for web based content. If they get cut out now they may be in the future if and when broadcast and potentially cable goes away. The viewers might not notice a big difference but if content switches to technically a web based broadcast the creative people may get cut out. It's happened a lot in the past. One of the classic examples were old movie stars. Shirley Temples mother was known as one of the toughest negoiators but she couldn't have predicted TV and Temple never got a dime off any of the films shown on TV inpsite of tens of millions being made from their broadcast. 20 years ago no one would have predicted web broadcasts. The internet was new so browsers and email were still essentially in the future. Who can say what is possible in twenty more years. There's even talk about redoing the internet itself since it was never designed for this much traffic. That could be another openning to renegoiate. The suits are the ones trying to screw everyone over. The artists are mostly trying to pay rent.

Problems across NBC Universal (5, Interesting)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513171)

It's amazing how much ineptitude seems to be rising to the top at Sci-Fi and NBC Universal.

Bonnie Hammer cancels Farscape, a show with a dedicated fan base, because she thinks that the serialized plotline is too hard for the fans to follow. She makes this decision just as the Internet is starting to become a good way for fans who miss an episode to keep up with the series (iTMS started months later, and it should have been obvious to anyone that television and movies would eventually make their way to iTunes). She replaces it with the single-season flop Tremors: The Series, and is rewarded for her poor judgment by being promoted to President of USA Network and Sci-Fi Channel.

Mark Stern shoots the company in the foot by cancelling Stargate SG-1 (another show with a dedicated fan base) despite strong backing from its production company, MGM. To add insult to injury, Stern refuses to let MGM court other TV networks for a new home for SG-1. This is combined with the decision to separate the SG-1 franchise from its follower, Battlestar Galactica. Shortly thereafter, the nature of the synergy between Stargate and BSG is revealed, as BSG's season premiere ratings were substantially lower [savestargatesg1.com] than last season's premiere. MGM plans to release new SG-1 content direct to DVD, and they may end up producing a full Season 11 for iTunes and DVD. NBC Universal won't see a dime from those projects.

Sci-Fi Channel is also diluting their brand by airing professional wrestling, despite it already being carried on USA, in an apparent effort to mimic Spike TV, which at least runs five hours of Star Trek every weekday.

Now, Marc Graboff gets on the BSG production team's bad side by screwing them out of residuals, and tries to justify it by blaming it all on the BSG production team.

And finally, NBC decides to yank dramas and comedies from the 8pm time slot because they're "too expensive" compared to reality shows. Never mind that NBC rode the top of the rating charts for years on the backs of shows like Seinfeld and Friends (and, later in the evening, ER and Law & Order). It's almost as if NBC decided that being in last place with crappy-but-cheap shows was better than being top dog, and if they put Deal or No Deal on five nights a week, last place is where they'll end up.

Today there was also a big story about how NBC Universal is laying off about 5% of their workforce. [reuters.com] I wonder if they're taking suggestions for whom to axe.

Re:Problems across NBC Universal (1)

Danse (1026) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513557)

And finally, NBC decides to yank dramas and comedies from the 8pm time slot because they're "too expensive" compared to reality shows. Never mind that NBC rode the top of the rating charts for years on the backs of shows like Seinfeld and Friends (and, later in the evening, ER and Law & Order).


See, the great thing about reality shows from the perspective of NBC is not just that they're cheap. It's that they're cheap and they stay that way. The "actors" aren't going to demand more money next season if it becomes a hit, because they'll be gone. So if a reality show becomes a hit, they don't have to share with anyone!

MGM plans to release new SG-1 content direct to DVD, and they may end up producing a full Season 11 for iTunes and DVD. NBC Universal won't see a dime from those projects.


While I'm not averse to making use of bittorrent if I happen to miss an episode of a show I like, that doesn't mean I won't shell out for an online only show. Price them reasonably, and I would be first in line to hand over my cash. I will do so just for the inkling of hope that it takes off in a huge way and network execs start jumping out of 30th floor windows.

Re:Problems across NBC Universal and ineptitude (5, Interesting)

Nitewing98 (308560) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513629)

The sort of clumsy handling of sci-fi programs you're talking about is, unfortunately, endemic in the TV industry. Good shows get cancelled (the original Star Trek and The Vistor come to mind right away). Other shows get so little in the way of resources that they become ridiculous (Lost in Space and (I'm sorry) the original Galactica).

Face it. TV doesn't "get" science fiction. These corporations are run by corporate suits with MBA's and degrees in marketing and have no soul and no imagination. These shows are nothing but product to them. Nevermind that Star Trek did more for encouraging research in a bunch of fields of science. It's no accident that the generation raised on Trek created PC's, PDA's, cell phones, and other technology. I'm reading now about the (real) experiments in bending microwaves (a cloaking device), matter teleportation, and energy weapons.

Clearly, to those of us in the tech industry and the sciences, these shows are NOT silly, mindless, childish or merely a "product." They are the source of many inspirations. We care about these shows.

TV doesn't. And the probably never will.

Perhaps a consortium of web geeks should approach Moore et al and offer them the services of a dedicated streaming server and a loyal fanbase. Maybe we can help good content make the jump FROM TV to the 'net.

What are the Google guys doing? They've got the money...and advertisers...this could actually work!

Re:Problems across NBC Universal and ineptitude (1)

kalidasa (577403) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514295)

If CBS had any brains, they'd offer Moore complete creative control over the Star Trek franchise to leave BSG when his contract with NBC is up. DS9 is the only Star Trek series that really holds up well after all these years, and Moore was an assistant producer on that (and the writer of some of its greatest episodes); and there he was constrained by the Berman junta.

Re:Problems across NBC Universal (1)

freedom_india (780002) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513675)

Corporates like NBC are not very intelligent. Unless their sole bread winner happens to be the BSG or SG-1, they really will muck around based on a few ego-driven executives driving Mercs and Jaguars and who have nothing to lose if NBC lost a few million.

Unless these executives (who are MBAs and not actual actors/producers themselves) pay is directly based on the popularity of a TV show, these stupid executives will continue to muck around and run the company and its property into ground.

BSG will be canceled soon. Its too big for NBC executives and they don't want this kind of limelight stealing popularity.

Better save up on those episodes nowitself and rewatch it later.

Re:Problems across NBC Universal (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514683)

Farscape, SG1 and BSG are all pretty expensive to produce for cable. They need to have great ratings to justify production. Maybe they are, but it isn't really obvious that the decisions being made regarding these shows are bad business decisions, even for the long term.

Part of the problem is things like the writing on SG1 getting *way* better in the last few seasons, and die hard fans complaining that it went to hell, because they don't know what they are talking about. Watch, someone will jump in here to tell what a dumbass I am for saying that.

They might be making mistakes with their target market, but they have a better idea of their actual demographics than you or I do, and a better picture of how much they make on a given show.

For those with limited horizons (3, Interesting)

Telvin_3d (855514) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513303)

I am seeing a lot of comments here with the commenter's saying things along the lines of "The webisodes are free anyway, so what is the issue with residuals? Who cares?" This is an amazingly short sided view.

Yes, the webisodes and similar media may be shown free at the moment, but that is a temporary thing at best. Say a year from now the show gets exported to another country and instead of showing the webisodes for free there, they decide to sell them through whatever the local equivalent of the iTunes store is at 50 cents a pop. I know all sorts of people that would happily pay for 2-5 minute chunks of extra content for their favourite series during the off season.

Or, (and this is very likely), the season 3 DVD releases of Battlestar Galactica include the webisodes as 'bonus content' the same way that movie DVDs include the trailers. And the studios will say 'hell, no one gets paid extra for including the trailers with the DVD, they're promotional material, so why should the actors/writers get paid extra for it?' At the same time, you can get that it will be advertised as the DVD set including the 'bonus episode worth of content' that it really is. The writers get paid for the episodes on that DVD, so why don't they deserve to get paid for the webisodes?

any one with minimal imagination can come up with other ways that content like this can be used or changed in ways that we are not seeing yet but that cross lines. If it doesn't happen with the Battlestar Galactica content,it will happen tot he next popular series that is inventive enough to reach out to the fans in new ways with new content. In a lot of ways, we are lucky that it is happening with an example that is clear cut in many ways in favour of the creative team and with people who are willing to fight. Otherwise, these types of rights and incentives might disappeared before anyone recognised they existed, and that would be the end of this type of content.

huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16513319)

I don't get it... I watched all 10 webisodes for this show, and it pretty much led right up to the season premiere. So were they pulled or not?

Hopefully the writers will get the money they're due... and I hope these webisodes get included on the eventual DVD release, because they're very well done.

You know what I want from BSG? (1, Insightful)

glwtta (532858) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513503)

Some fucking space battles!

So far this season it's all "Let's go start some shit up and blow up our own hovels - that'll show the Cylons!", or whatnot.

(admittedly, I may not have paid particular attention to the specifics of TFA)

Re:You know what I want from BSG? (3, Insightful)

rossifer (581396) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513975)

You probably pissed and moaned about the desert scenes in Star Wars too. :)

It's a story about people in the future. People have lots of desires, including the desire to not live in cans. So they give living on a mudball a shot. And it turns out to be a "Bad Plan(tm)". So now we have to get them off the mudball and back into some sort of fighting shape again. With the lessons learned, we can assume that they won't be satisfied until they reach earth (as a friday night special six months after the regular show gets cancelled).

Personally, I'm curious as to how they'll do it. I'm really enjoying the break in the action, as it were.

Regards,
Ross

Re:You know what I want from BSG? (4, Interesting)

cyclocommuter (762131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514799)

Personally, I am enjoying the humans play the role of rebels/insurgents versus the militarily superior cylons... strapping bombs on their chest on suicide missions, but at the same time those captured have sacks put on their heads just like prisoners in Iraq / Guantanamo. Watching the conflicts within number 6 and number 8 (Sharon) who have been "exposed" to humans is also heady stuff. With plot twists like these, who cares about blowing up stuff in space?

This isn't new (1)

Dock (89815) | more than 7 years ago | (#16513777)

Other networks are in the same fight. I wrote about this two months ago [blogspot.com] when Variety hit on it and again just now on Newsvine [newsvine.com]. NBC, ABC, and CBS are all in it with the Guild right now and it's going to come to a head when the contract is up next year.

WGA is ahead of the curve this time (2, Insightful)

graymocker (753063) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514065)

The WGA recognizes that web delivery is the future of the content creation industry. No one is sure yet how increasing broadband access and a generation of entertainment consumers weaned on BitTorrent is going to affect the commercial arts, but you can bet that web delivery, either for-pay, sponsored, or free, is going to be a huge part of the new business model. WGA screwed up once a already by failing to forsee how the home video/DVD market was going to become the major revenue source for movie studios. (Aside: Some clueless pundits - usually conservatives railing against liberal Hollywood - have pointed to falling box office receipts as signs that the studios are somehow dying, but the studios are doing better than ever. They've simply changed their business model.) It's absolutely in their interests to come on strong on the the subject of webisodes.

Conflict Brewing? (1)

x-vere (956928) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514623)

Battlestar Galactica 'Webisodes' Conflict Brewing
I think the conflict is already at hand. However, I'm not sure I agree with the actions of the staff of the webisodes. The Internet is a completely different medium and playing selfish little baby on this hurts the show the and may shorten the length of your employment.
If I were NBC, I'd commission a new crew to make a new series of webisodes and tell the other folks where to stick it. That's just me.

Caprica-6, Will You Marry Me? (1)

Muad'Dib129 (868864) | more than 7 years ago | (#16514873)

I love this show. It pains me to see that Corporate America is once again trying to ruin something good. Ron Moore & team have a good thing going right now with the new Battlestar, and if they were replaced with Cylon imposter writers by NBC I think it would negatively impact viewing and I think that new writers would skew the current story. If all they are asking for is credit and compensation, what's the big deal? Its not as if NBC is not profiting. I'm no communist or socialist, but shit...share the wealth, NBC! Pay the people for their work!
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