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PS3 Details From Sony Game Day

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the don't-let-the-magic-smoke-out-of-the-online-interface dept.

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Gamespot has up the record of a liveblog from yesterday's Sony Game day event. They dish a medium-sized helping of dirt, with information like controller price ($50), first-party title price ($60), what is actually in the box, launch window titles, and a bit on what the online experience will offer. From the article: "2:04 p.m.: Hirai says the final boxed product is rolling off the assembly lines as we speak. Then he shows the retail packaging. He says they will have 22 launch-window titles, including games like FEAR, Call of Duty 3, Full Auto 2, Genji: Days of the Blade, NBA Live 07, NBA 2K7, NHL 2K7, Rainbow Six Vegas, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Untold Legends, and Riiidge Racer 7. (Yes, he said 'Riiidge.')" Meanwhile, 1up has some details on the PS3's pre-order status in Japan ... if you're curious. As well you might be, because importing a PS3 is illegal, doncha know.

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130 comments

Excuse me while my eyes bug out (2, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515383)

Riiidge Racer 7. (Yes, he said 'Riiidge.')

It's good to know they're not taking themselves too seriously. That's something, at least. :)

Re:Excuse me while my eyes bug out (1)

tarun713 (782737) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515873)

Yeah, actually Kaz Hirai seems to be the only person from Sony who speaks about the PS3 to the press that has a level head on his shoulders, explains things thoroughly and well, and seems to be PERSONABLE, unlike Stringer or Kutaragi.

Forget the Games.. It runs Linux!!! (2, Interesting)

Zarniwoop_Editor (791568) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516047)

Forget what games it comes with.
With it running linux I think it may be a nifty way to get a cheap cell platform to play with.
The price may be a bit high for a game console but it's a dirt cheap, screaming fast Cell based platform to have some fun with.
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/ yellow-dog-linux-designed-for-playstation-3-208902 .php [gizmodo.com]

Re:Forget the Games.. It runs Linux!!! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520269)

Just keep in mind that it only has 256MB RAM. It'll be a fun Cell platform but don't expect to treat it like a Cell workstation which is what everyone has been asking for since Cell specs were announced. Great for clusters, though... if they have gigE, which I doubt but is not impossible.

Re:Forget the Games.. It runs Linux!!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16521285)

Yeah, just like Linux on the PS2 was such a good way to get to use the emotion engine and all of the PS2's phat hardware.

Christ, people. When will you learn?

Not only that, but what exactly do you want to use Cell for? In all of these "boy, I sure do want to play with the Cell, by golly!" posts, I never hear an actual reason. Do you have a pet project that needs a bunch of parallel DSPs? Are you actually an interested programmer, an astroturfer, or just a moron?

What "launch window titles" really means (3, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515409)

That they are not actually comming WITH the launch but possibly weeks later, within the 2 month holiday season.

I seriously think Sony is going out of it's way to fuck this up, its too comical at this point for them not to be trying at screwing up the launch.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16515569)

You're a week late with that comment, considering that the launch already sold out...

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (5, Interesting)

badasscat (563442) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516647)

I seriously think Sony is going out of it's way to fuck this up, its too comical at this point for them not to be trying at screwing up the launch.

(rolls eyes)

What you're basing this on is the rants of fanboys - whether they be random people posting in forums and comments, or those posing as "journalists" and writing actual articles. There's really no distinction apart from some possibly better grammar.

The proof is in the pudding. The PS3 is out there. It's playable - it was playable at TGS, and it's sitting right now in Sony's building in Ginza in Tokyo. Anyone can walk in and play Minna no Golf and Gran Turismo in full HD on one of Sony's new 1080p Bravia displays. No need to listen to the inane ramblings of those who have never experienced the system anymore.

When you play the system, all your doubts melt away. I remember thinking "wait a minute, what are the supposed problems with this system again?"

The price is an absolute thing, true - even after giving the system a try, that doesn't change. But what does change is your perception of it. The PS3 is, at the moment, a luxury item, and it feels it - when you see it hooked up to a 60" Bravia LCD playing both games and Blu-Ray movies at 1080p, you start to get it. It is not even intended to be a mass market system yet.

And I think that's fine for now, given that there will only even be 400,000 units at launch. Remember the iPod in 2001? A lot of people said it was ridiculous to charge $400 for such a device. But it worked, and the price has gradually come down and the iPod itself made more of a commodity. That will happen with the PS3 too.

But to play a PS3 is to lust after a PS3. You will want one. Whether you can afford it yet or not is another matter, but I don't think that's really relevant to Sony's strategy, and I don't see anything about this launch that they've "fucked up".

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (2, Insightful)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516915)

"But to play a PS3 is to lust after a PS3." Three points. 1. My PC has been doing 'HD' for years. 2. My desire simply does not justify the cost. 3. Seven of the nine games listed are ports or sequels. I certainly can afford the PS3, but I simply don't believe that I would get $600 of fun out of the machine.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

oc255 (218044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517957)

Your PC can't run the latest games at 1920x1080 @ 60fps. It probably will in a year. This is the PS2 vs PC all over again, PC loses for a little while ...

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16518669)

Your PC can't run the latest games at 1920x1080 @ 60fps

If you have a Geforce 7950 Quad SLi setup you could easily play any game at 1920x1080 @60fps and probably could have 16xAF and 16xAA going at the same time...

The PS3's GPU is probably similar to a Geforce 7800GTX, which is an excellent GPU but can not compete against the ultimate high end PCs; any PC developer will tell you that they're in a very bad position because the rate of improvement in the minimum requirements has never been slower whereas the rate of improvement in the target demographic's system has never been faster. How do you design a game that can run on a Pentium 4 2GHz with a Radeon 9800 and still take advantage of a the high end system I described?

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (3, Informative)

oc255 (218044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519465)

If you have a Geforce 7950 Quad SLi setup you could easily play any game at 1920x1080 @60fps and probably could have 16xAF and 16xAA going at the same time...

Ok, good point. Let's go shopping!

- 7950GT from Newegg (times 4) = $1200
- We need a LCD monitor that can do 1920. Let's go with a Dell 24" = $1,199
- Quad pci-e motherboard = $200
- I'll assume we have a nice CPU and assume that we have nice memory that plays nice on the new chipset

Ok, we're at $2599 at the best. But then we have a PC that we can do other things with, like Folding @ Home. Oh wait, that only runs on ATI cards. Ok, well to avoid flaming anymore ... I guess it comes down to a few things:

- PCs are general purpose machines that don't compete with new consoles.
- Economies of scale, standard parts make consoles amazing bang-per-buck devices.
- PCs have advantages over consoles in many respects but not in "just play" features.
- People say their PCs do 1920. Maybe they have a really nice, old CRT? Maybe they have a 24" LCD?

The PS3's GPU is probably similar to a Geforce 7800GTX
Please source this. I say that the PS3's architecture is completely different from a PC in no comparable format except real-world tests that aren't even available yet. At the very minimum, people who have seen the PS3 in person running at 1080p have said it's "amazing and fluid". I haven't seen it yet.

How do you design a game that can run on a Pentium 4 2GHz with a Radeon 9800 and still take advantage of a the high end system I described?
You detect for card features, card model, opengl/dx version and whatever else you can:
if (glGetString(GL_SHADING_LANGUAGE_VERSION) == "shiny happy version") {
  enableBlinkyBlinky();
}

or what-not. But I think what you were trying to hit on is the question of supporting change. Which is the advantage of consoles. Me, personally, I do other stuff than games so I try to put my money into my PC. However, very rarely have I seen this so-called upgradability. I put in a new video card and then fork-lift the whole thing:

- Changing CPU vendors for the best-of-breed CPU means a new PC-stack (mb,memory)
- Going from PCI to PCI-E means a new PC-stack (mb,memory,maybe cpu)
- Going from integrated intel 945 to something that runs Vista's Aero might mean any of the above.

As usual, there are trade-offs. But simply saying "upgradability of PC" doesn't always work out in practice. The way it's worked for me and my friends:

- New PC
- One new videocard upgrade that fits in XYZ slot
- Completely new PC because majority of old parts need to be replaced completely.

And to further illustrate the real point is, PCs are more iterative.
- New Console
- New PC
- One new videocard upgrade that fits in XYZ slot
- Completely new PC because majority of old parts need to be replaced completely.
- New Console ... If you were to keep up with the technology. Ah whatever, time will tell. Enthusiasts don't run anything. Dreamcast was a better system and the PS2 won (much to the anger of many). The Wii might be a better system, who knows what will happen. Certainly, the "Emotion Engine" was overhyped. But in reality, it delivered more than the PC did (for a while).

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16520059)

Hey, you're including the HDTV in the cost of the PC. That's totally stupid.

Also, I got a nice flat 19 inch CRT that does 1600x1200@70Hz for 40 dollars used. It's not exactly 1080p but it's not different enough for any sane person to argue over.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520305)

[...]1600x1200@70Hz for 40 dollars used. It's not exactly 1080p but it's not different enough for any sane person to argue over.

Uh, either it's full HD, or it isn't. If it isn't, then it has to be scaled down.

Anyone who actually cares about video quality will want to view it unscaled.

It might not be worth it to you to argue over it, that's fine. But don't pretend that 1600x1200 is a real substitute for full-HD, because it simply is not.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (2, Informative)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520365)

1600 * 1200 pixels == 1,920,000 pixels

1920 * 1080 pixels == 2,073,600 pixels

Almost the same number of pixels.

Why would it be scaled? How many games produce graphics in a target resolution and then scale? The only considerable difference here is the aspect ratio. That's it.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520621)

If you're viewing Full-HD video on a 1600x1200 display then it's scaled down. Games aren't the only thing that PCs do, nor is that the only thing game consoles do these days. This is relevant. your display is not full-HD and no amount of pretending or wishing will make it so. You can't measure by the number of pixels, you have to measure by the number of missing pixels in any dimension which is missing pixels; the X resolution of a 1600x1200 display is only 83.333333(etc)% the X resolution of a full-HD display.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520817)

You're talking nonsense. "Full HD video" is meaningless for PC games. If you're playing a 1080p video, then it will indeed be scaled. But games don't target specific resolutions.. generally. The video is rendered in real time in the output resolution.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16521467)

Posts like this make me wish there were more categories of friends/foes. I keep people on my foes list and give them +1 to see what they have to say, because I know we have opposing viewpoints.

Posts (and threads) like this makes me wish there was an 'ignore' list.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

oc255 (218044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520799)

Yeah, you're right about the monitor aspect. But I'm just making the point that most PCs can't even display native HD. The point on the number of pixels is a good one. However, no one is running nice and smooth at 1600x1200. Who cares, perhaps, for now, it's just a measure of the PS3's power. But good gameplay doesn't equal graphics all the time ... but graphics can enable good gameplay (like if I can see emotion, or see information that would otherwise have to be written in dialog or presented in a HUD).

Pure pixels is a bad measure and I should have brought it up. On the same HDTV (1080i), the gamecube looks worse than the 360. It's a testament to the console's power. My PC's video card was $600 and it can't do the real-time motion blur that PGR3 does. Is PGR3 a good game? Maybe for people who hate Gran Turismo's realism ... I think Test Drive Unlimited is a bit better of producing a decent driving sim, but then again, it's art/opinion. I can see it both ways.

- Outcome 1: The PS3 is great but no one bites like the PSP. "Whatever. $600 is too much. I'm not buying Vista or this. Technology is doing what I need it to do already."
- Outcome 2: The PS3 shames everything and no one can stand to look at anything less. "Man, I wish I could use the Wiimote on the PS3. The Wii is fun but let's play MGS again, did you just see that [graphic feature]?"
- Outcome 3: Somewhere in-between. Some pick their side. Some like Halo, some like the FF series. Some get all three consoles. Nothing much changes although the Internet forums make you believe that it has.

I'm exhausted. Mac/PCs wars ... now this ...

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

flewp (458359) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518367)

And for everyone who feels the same way as you, there's enough people who feel the opposite for the launch units to sell out. The point is, your three points may be valid to you, but they do not represent everyone. I'm not saying you implied they do, but so many people bring up such points as a reason why the PS3 will fail. I think the PS3 will do quite fine, because as we've seen with past consoles, people are willing to pay even 3x as much for one after they've sold out the initial launch units. As time goes on, the price will drop, and more and more people will begin to see "my desire does not justify the cost" point dwindle away.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#16521055)

And for everyone who feels the same way as you, there's enough people who feel the opposite for the launch units to sell out.

You say that like it means something [vgcats.com] .

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518845)

1. My PC has been doing 'HD' for years.

With how many players per machine? The PC appears not to support single-head simultaneous multiplayer in commercial titles. The vast majority of multiplayer PC games tend to require one PC and one copy of the game per player. You can use one $600 premium PS3, one $800 HDTV monitor, and n $60 games, or you can use four $500 entry-level PCs, four $300 monitors, and 4n $40 games.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16517313)

So, what you're saying is that in 2 to 3 years the PS3 will be a product that will be affordable to the mass market. What this means is 12 to 18 monts after developers have given up producing content for the PS3 because the userbase is too small and the development costs are too high.

What Sony fans seem to forget is the console war is mostly a sprint; the first console that controls enough of the market to pressure third-parties into giving them exclusive support wins. It doesn't matter that Sony's excuse is that they can't afford to sell it for less, or that they can't produce more units, if Microsoft or Nintendo has a 5 to 10 million unit lead come January of 2008 (which is plausable for both consoles) the PS3 will not be able to get any decent exclusive third party support and will perform in a similar range as the XBox/Gamecube/N64; possibly worse being that Sony games are not the ones that sell Sony consoles.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517987)

That's partially true, but you have to also remember that Sony is the 300lb gorilla here. Well, OK, maybe not 300lbs anymore after their various screwups, but they're still seen by most people and casual gamers (ie. NO ONE HERE) as the market leader. Just based on that alone, Sony might be able to retain enough exclusive titles to once again be the leader this generation.

At any rate, I don't think we'll see Sony utterly dominating the market as decisively as they did with the PS2. And any sort of goodwill Sony has left after their performances with the press and tradeshows is gone. If Sony expects to stay in this market they're going to have to really knock gamers' socks off with the PS4.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517765)

Thank you for the reality dose, you beat me to it.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

necrozen (960784) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517855)

Yeah man, listen - I don't know about all this sexy talk - but (aside from the bluray thing) my PC, which I built myself, blows the PS3 out of the water. I can do everything else you just said, and if I want to play bluray DVDs (I'm not really that interested in it) I could just buy a player.

To me, the system looks like a huge waste of money. Sony uses theis "IT'S LEET MAN!" attitude to attract consumers who define their own coolness by the products they own. I just don't buy into that school of thought. It just seems kinda dumb to me.

So I'm not getting hooked by this "IT'S A SYSTEM FOR THE ELITE, IT'S NOT FOR EVERYONE" routine. That's just marketing man, get over yourself. They think the same tactics they used to push all those PS2's out the door so man years ago will work today, but they won't. Not on everyone. Some people will get hooked by it (your a great example), but most people are just going to ignore it and buy something else, whose going to wait around for the PS3 to stop being "FOR THE ELITE BUYER ONLY!" - not me. By the time it's for everyone, I will gbe comfortably playing Wii (and perhaps XBox 360, I haven't decided yet, but definately Wii).

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (3, Interesting)

oc255 (218044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518181)

Your PC is below the PS3. Please realize this. Full HD is 1920x1080p. You cannot (even with magic books) play Oblivion on a PC at full quality with all the fancy blinky stuff at this resolution. The PS3 will, for a time, trump everything that the PC has whether you assembled the pre-fab parts or not.

As far as the 360, it's more bad design. And before you flame me, ask "do I want to fast-forward MP3s on a $400 console?". The 360 can't do that and there's no goddamn good reason. It's MS. It's disconnect and it's not the center of my living room if it can only skip MP3's, no rewind, no fast-forward. Some things are nice, as usual, but they miss the polish or sell the polish in MCE edition.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518613)

/snicker... This right here is why no one takes Sony fanbois rants as serious.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

oc255 (218044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518961)

You could say the same thing about your comment. Mostly because full paragraphs aren't flamey quips that are intended to start a fight. I own most things that I have opinions on (excepting the PS3) and if I was a fanboi, I wouldn't own the 360. Right?

1. The 360 can't fast forward through MP3s, so if I want it to be the center of the living room... I lose functionality that my 1990 discman had? Major oversight imho.
2. I have a 360, gamecube, ps2. I will get the Wii and the PS3. Vote with your dollar.

The PS2 was slightly ahead of the PC for about a year and then it caught up, it's the same deal with the PS3. My 7800gtx can't play oblivion at 1920x1080 and I spent $600 for it. If you can play oblivion at full HD, please post pictures or it didn't happen.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

Echnin (607099) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519329)

I don't know about 1920x1080, but my 7800GT ran Oblivion at 1600x1200. Not the best framerate, but not bad at all. And it didn't cost me anywhere near $600.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

oc255 (218044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519771)

Consoles win on bang-per-buck. Your video card doesn't run by itself. Please include whole PC cost. And then talk about what PCs can do that consoles can, because it's apples and oranges. I guess people are inclined to say whatever, even though this has happened before. The PC couldn't hang with the PS2, many people bought the PS2 as their first DVD player and then the PC caught up, got DVD and passed the PS2. All the while, the PC's general purpose architecture cost people more to upgrade (see: throw out).

In some respects, the PC has the illusion of being upgradable. Motherboards cannot change CPU vendors. Video cards require different slot types and memory is hardly ever transferrable to next generation chipsets. But in some respects, the PC is more powerful because it is extendable. The console doesn't fill the workstation role. So then it goes back and forth.

PC Camp: The PS3 is too much.
Sony Camp: The PS3 is more powerful than your PC.
PC Camp: No it's not.
Sony Camp: Yes it is, you don't even have a monitor that does 1920x1080.
PC Camp: Yes I do.
Sony Camp: You can't run complex games like Oblivion at that resolution.
PC Camp: Yes I can.
Sony Camp: You have to turn down the quality.
PC Camp: No I don't.
Sony Camp: Then certainly it runs slow as crap.
PC Camp: No it doesn't.
Sony Camp: Then you paid $5000 for your quad SLI PC that sucks in 800w.
PC Camp: Ok, yeah that's me.
Sony Camp: Ok, so the PS3 is a good deal.
PC Camp: But I can't [insert application here] on it.

Yes and that is very true. PCs are general purpose computing devices that cost you a lot to try to compete with a dedicated, stable, simple, "designed to play" console. Oblivion just works on the 360/PS3 whereas on the PC you have to know that Nvidia can't do AA+HDR yet. /casts fanboy guard /lists systems he owns (all) /realizes the consumerism future is upon us

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

Maul (83993) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518119)

So for the complete Sony branded experience, not only do I need $600 for my PS3, but I need to shell out over $4000 for the 60" Bravia. Great. When I ask my boss for a raise, I'll be sure to mention I'll need the extra cash so I can play Riiiiige Racer the way Sony intends. Or maybe I can take out a home equity loan.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

oc255 (218044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518307)

Yes, a common argument. I dunno, I bought a TV in 2001 that does 1080p for $2k. It's lasted me for 5 years, it's not the best. However, even Oblivion looks good at 1024x768. It's sometimes not the quantity of pixels that matters but the quality that matters. My same TV plays the PS2 and Gamecube at 1080p but the 360 looks better. Same TV.

Yes, you miss out on 1080p but the 360 looks better at 1080i than my Gamecube because of quality, not quantity of pixels.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (2, Interesting)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#16521377)

Yes, a common argument. I dunno, I bought a TV in 2001 that does 1080p for $2k. It's lasted me for 5 years, it's not the best. However, even Oblivion looks good at 1024x768. It's sometimes not the quantity of pixels that matters but the quality that matters. My same TV plays the PS2 and Gamecube at 1080p but the 360 looks better. Same TV.

What TV is this that was doing 1080p years before the first 1080p sets hit the market (2003) that actually accepts a 1080p signal, and has HDMI+HDCP connections years before HDMI 1.1 was even released (2004)? Perhaps you meant 1080i?

Also, PS2 and Gamecube don't do 1080p, so your TV is either switching to a 480p mode (for a CRT) or scaling them to the native resolution (LCD, DLP, LCoS, Plasma) at the risk of introducing lag.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518317)

This may come as a shock to you, but for the PS3 to succeed, *you* neither have to want one or buy one. The fact of the matter is that Sony came up with a business plan for sales of their machine, and they sold every single one they offered for the terms you considered unreasonable.

There are a lot of things out there that people think are overpriced... Things that people wish they could afford, but are just out of their reach for the time being. You just have to come to terms with the fact that those things are outside of your viable lifestyle, and you have to learn to live without until, if you're lucky, the price comes down to the point where you can afford them.

Think about new cars. Not even luxury cars, just ordinary everyday mass-market vehicles. When a brand new, highly-desireable model rolls off the line, there is a good chance that you'll have to pay more than you think the car is worth if you want to be one of the first to own one... Then as time goes by availability increases and the price becomes such that more people can afford it. During that early phase, though, people with more money than you, people you don't understand, will buy that car even though there are others on the market that provide better value for the money.

Game system manyfacturers have long been unusually altruistic with their initial system pricing, keeping the price artificially low even during the periods where supply far outstripped demand. Sony is the first manufacturer to come to their senses in this department, and I think you will find that next generation Microsoft will jump on the bandwagon. In the meantime, you're not rich enough to afford one of the first batch of PS3s (neither am I...). Tough.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16518225)

>I don't see anything about this launch that they've "fucked up".
You're kidding, right? Let's forget how late they are, how much it costs, how few they are going to make, and all the broken promises along the way and just look at the NEW problems this week.
1. The unit draws 2X the current of the 360. The means the unit has to dissipate 2X the heat of the 360, so don't tell me Sony isn't going to have overheating issues. And since they (proudly) display that they don't use a brick (ever get the feeling the PS3 is just Sony trying to knock-off the Xbox1?), the heat sources are concentrated inside the unit. It is appropriate that the thing looks like a George Forman Grill.
2. The controllers have non-removable rechargable batteries in them. Once they go, the controller has to be thrown away. I guess Sony found a place to dump their exploding lithium ion batteries...
3. Because of the non-removable batteries, you don't have the convenience of swapping batteries mid-game and continuing to play wireless. This is one of those features that isn't flashy, but once you've used it, you can't live without it. On the 360, if your batteries die mid-game you can quickly swap in another battery pack. Microsoft also gave you the option of using standard batteries or rechargable packs.
4. $50 for an HDMI cable? Tell me that isn't pure soaking. Heck, the PS3 doesn't even come with an S-Video cable (I bet 1080P looks awesome on composite output), guaranteeing at least one additional accessory purchase at retail.

I'm sure you'll enjoy you $900 PS3 bundle (if you can get one) and killing historically accurate Giant Enemy Crabs. Of course, you may want to turn up the air conditioning before powering up the PS3.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518647)

rootkit, giant crabs, PS2 can do Toystory... for hte love of god do I have to listen to that inane babble for the next 15 years????

"1. The unit draws 2X the current of the 360. The means the unit has to dissipate 2X the heat of the 360, so don't tell me Sony isn't going to have overheating issues. And since they (proudly) display that they don't use a brick (ever get the feeling the PS3 is just Sony trying to knock-off the Xbox1?), the heat sources are concentrated inside the unit. It is appropriate that the thing looks like a George Forman Grill."

Possibly valid, I don't know since I don't have one / know anyone that has one... apparently you do tho.

"2. The controllers have non-removable rechargable batteries in them. Once they go, the controller has to be thrown away. I guess Sony found a place to dump their exploding lithium ion batteries..."

Did you know that the PS2 had non removable cables to power them? Once the cable goes... you'd have to buy a new controller!!!!

"3. Because of the non-removable batteries, you don't have the convenience of swapping batteries mid-game and continuing to play wireless. This is one of those features that isn't flashy, but once you've used it, you can't live without it. On the 360, if your batteries die mid-game you can quickly swap in another battery pack. Microsoft also gave you the option of using standard batteries or rechargable packs."

Wait for the 3rd party controllers, other then that, valid point.

"4. $50 for an HDMI cable? Tell me that isn't pure soaking. Heck, the PS3 doesn't even come with an S-Video cable (I bet 1080P looks awesome on composite output), guaranteeing at least one additional accessory purchase at retail."

Right, and the XBox, XBox 360, Gamecube, N64, PS2, PS1, SNES, NES always came with the highest end cable available right? I have to buy a new SVIdeo cable for my XBox, you know how much? $50 Canadian. $50 US for HDMI doesn't sound so bad.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

VanillaBabies (829417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520357)

I'm pretty sure that the controller cables on the dualshock weren't made from technology that was known to lose its ability to hold a charge over time, so i don't think this particular comparison works. But otherwise, carry on.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520449)

The controllers have non-removable rechargable batteries in them. Once they go, the controller has to be thrown away. I guess Sony found a place to dump their exploding lithium ion batteries..."
Did you know that the PS2 had non removable cables to power them? Once the cable goes... you'd have to buy a new controller!!!!

Uh, that was really stupid. Cables only die when you abuse them; cutting them, rolling over them with your chair too many times, setting them on fire, etc. Batteries die when they have been charged and discharged enough times, when you use them as they are meant to be used.

Because of the non-removable batteries, you don't have the convenience of swapping batteries mid-game and continuing to play wireless.
Wait for the 3rd party controllers, other then that, valid point.

the future existence of third party wireless controllers does not invalidate his point in any way because third party controllers universally suck ass. even the one from logitech sucks, but only because they totally blew the feel of the controller and games designed to be played with one controller usually don't play well on another.

Right, and the XBox, XBox 360, Gamecube, N64, PS2, PS1, SNES, NES always came with the highest end cable available right? I have to buy a new SVIdeo cable for my XBox, you know how much? $50 Canadian. $50 US for HDMI doesn't sound so bad.

For your Xbox, or Xbox 360? I got a universal cable that does s-video, composite, and dual rca audio that works on Second-Gen SNES up through Gamecube, and works on Xbox, PS1, and PS2 for $10. I'll assume you mean Xbox 360. This is $30 US on Amazon, but Lik-Sang has one with optical audio output for US$6.95 [lik-sang.com] . Obviously, you aren't looking very hard.

Please, when you come up with some actual refutations, come back and try again. Until then, give up on this whole debating thing. You don't have what it takes - like supporting arguments.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16520863)

I know you aren't the original propagator of this FUD, but...
"1. The unit draws 2X the current of the 360. The means the unit has to dissipate 2X the heat of the 360, so don't tell me Sony isn't going to have overheating issues. And since they (proudly) display that they don't use a brick (ever get the feeling the PS3 is just Sony trying to knock-off the Xbox1?), the heat sources are concentrated inside the unit. It is appropriate that the thing looks like a George Forman Grill."
This FUD just refuses to go away, doesn't it? The actual unit has a power supply rated at 3.2A*120V [dreamwiz.com] , so 384W is the absolute upper limit on power consumption. There is usually a safety margin in these things, so the actual average consumption should be significantly less than that. For comparison, I understand the 360 draws 205W from a power supply rated at 600W, so 2x is just plain hyperbole.

"2. The controllers have non-removable rechargable batteries in them. Once they go, the controller has to be thrown away. I guess Sony found a place to dump their exploding lithium ion batteries..."

Again, this was a misunderstanding by a game journalist in Japan that has been corrected [impress.co.jp] (sorry, Japanese link)--the battery is in fact removable, but will not be sold publicly for now. Which brings us to the next point....

"3. Because of the non-removable batteries, you don't have the convenience of swapping batteries mid-game and continuing to play wireless. This is one of those features that isn't flashy, but once you've used it, you can't live without it. On the 360, if your batteries die mid-game you can quickly swap in another battery pack. Microsoft also gave you the option of using standard batteries or rechargable packs."
...which is the same as how Nintendo DS's battery works, and I've never heard anyone complaining about that. (And if you own one, you know its battery lasts long enough that it really is not a problem in real life.) If non-removable batteries for a handheld is a non-issue, how bad can it be for a living game controller? It is an issue for the 360 only because the controller battery is rated to last a measly 7 hours. Meanwhile, the battery in the PS3 controller is rated to last 30 hours per charge, and if your gaming session lasts longer than that you really need to go get some sleep instead.

By the way, you don't have to throw away the controller if the battery dies; you can have the battery replaced by a technician, just like with compact MP3 players. I don't know how much that will cost, but hopefully it will be significantly less than ~$45, which is the cost of a new controller.

Too bad they left the controller alone... (1)

Vr6dub (813447) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518293)

Personally one of the major shortcomings with the PS3 is the fact that they've used the same controller (the layout at least) on their last three systems. It's nice they've added "triggers" but from what I've read they are awkward to use. The motion sensing seems like an afterthought to me. I used to love Sony's controller but as games started adopting the analog sticks the flaw in the Sony design began to show itself. Their placement makes it difficult to accurately and quickly transistion from left to right. You have to "extend" your thumb to make this motion (very important in driving games especially). With the 360 controller and the old S model, the left to right action is better aligned with your thumbs range of mobility. Rather than "extending" your thumb you simply move it left and right. I noticed this when I made the switch from Gran Turismo 4 to PGR. I loathed the analog on GT4 because I couldn't input fast enough. When I picked up the XBOX it just worked.

Sony's controllers now feel very awkward when placed in my hands almost to the point of making me now invest in a PS3. No one uses the D-pad anymore, save for some fighting games, as their primary. Move the analog to a more natural position.

Funny, I had a buddy mention this exact thing the other day when I tried a racing game on my computer with the 360 controller. He mentioned he could never use the analogs with GT4 but never fully understood why.

Bottom line...it seem's rather lazy and short-sighted IMO to have been so stagnant with the controller. I know, I've thought about this too much but it just baffles me.

Re:Too bad they left the controller alone... (1)

flewp (458359) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518505)

Though I quickly get used to just about any controller (with the exception of the Xbox's early giant-size controllers) I've actually liked the design of the PS controller. I don't really experience the problems you say you have with driving games, and I played a lot of GT3 and 4.

You do have a point about being stagnant with the controller though. I don't think it necessarily needs a completely radical redesign, but it's barely even been an evolutionary process. Sure, the motion sensing could be cool, but like you said, it seems more of an afterthought, and I'm guessing it won't be heavily utilised by games, and could very well be implemented very poorly in a lot of games.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518469)

when you see it hooked up to a 60" Bravia LCD playing both games and Blu-Ray movies at 1080p, you start to get it


I'll "get" that it looks exactly like watching an HD-DVD on a 60" Bravia LCD. Which looks surprisingly like watching a regular DVD on a no-brand 60" LCD, as long as you're not standing 2 feet from the screen.

HD-DVD/Blu-Ray is nice, but there just isn't enough content. Practically every movie ever made is on DVD, and they cost $8-$15 if you are willing to shop around. I already have a substantial DVD collection. So, tell me, why should I blow $600 for a Blu-Ray player?

I have a $500 LCD HDTV. It's got an LG Philips panel, 1366x768 (720p) native resolution, and component, DVI/HDCP, and VGA inputs. DVDs look great on it coming from my $40 Wal-Mart special "Progressive Scan" DVD player. TV looks crappy, but that's because the cable sucks here.

So, again, why should I spend more than my TV for a Blu-Ray player? I could drop $600 on a PS3 and not blink. I'm sure it's a damn fine system. But the question is, why is it $200 better than an XBOX 360, which has (right now) a bigger library of games, nicer controllers (come on, the SIXAXIS is just a warmed-over DualShock), and will connect to my Media Center PC so that I can watch recorded TV over the network.

Where's the $200 of value? Blu-Ray? Nope. I'm not paying $25 for a moive. I'm not going to blow $200 on a system for a format that may not even succeed. When Blu-Ray/HD-DVD players are $40, then we can start talking.

Sony keeps trying to convince us that we want to spend $600 on their PS3. Many people probably will - hell, a lot of people threw down $1000 for a standalone Blu-Ray player. But $600 can buy a lot - a 360 core and 6 games (if all you want to do is play games), a PS2 and a whole mess of games, a new TV, a year of digital cable. Sony is competing for our entertainment dollars, and they're going to have to do a better job convincing us that the PS3 is where to spend them.

Is the PS3 overpriced? No. There's a lot of value in that system. But there's also a lot of value in a Lexus. Sony's trying to sell a Lexus to a Corolla market.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520509)

Actually most Lexuses are if anything designed worse than the cheaper Toyotas. I remember being in the auto shop at yuba college doing air conditioning work (I'm ASE certified, whee) and some chick brought in a Lexus with a clunk in the suspension. Turns out that the front suspension on this Lexus was designed with a non-replacable ball joint in the upper A-Arm (it's double wishbone, IIRC.) you have to replace the entire upper A-arm in order to replace the ball joint. Lexuses are big piles of shit and anyone who buys one over an Infiniti or even an Acura is a dumbass.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (2, Interesting)

Baldrash (544048) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518641)

I felt exactly the same way when the PSP came out. Then I bought it, and the drought of good games has relegated it to dust collector status. Both the PSP and PS3 are impressive technically, but without worthwhile games (which we haven't seen much of, except White Knight) it's just going to leave most gamers cold.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (2, Insightful)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519175)

This may be redundant... but the iPod did not require third party software to use. You could put MP3s that you had on it it and go and use it anywhere. PS3 will require software/games to sell it (i know it can browse the web and play music and videos, not the main selling point i think - even then, this may apply to Blu-Ray movies to a degree, also), and if it takes too long to adopt, the software developers will pull out because they aren't making profits from developing for the system.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16520797)

> What you're basing this on is the rants of fanboys - whether they be random people posting in forums and comments, or those posing as "journalists" and writing actual articles. There's really no distinction apart from some possibly better grammar.

Such people are known as "customers." Products without them tend to fail.

Of course, I'm biased. I *still* don't like Sony thanks to that rootkit, among other things.

Re:What "launch window titles" really means (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16521129)

You have got to be kidding me. I've seen the PS3 in action, and yes the graphics are a LITTLE BIT better than what we have right now. I'm a huge graphics snob, so of course I notice how good the graphics are, but if you put it side-by-side with some of the PS2's better graphically-souped up games MOST PEOPLE wont notice. There's nothing mind-blowingly amazing about it except that it's a cheap bluray player. Graphics have peaked, plain and simple. What people are looking for now are new types of games and new ways to play them. PS3 is bass-ackwards in this department and is going to pay the price for it's lack of innovation.

MOST PEOPLE are not going to notice the difference in graphics between the three systems connected to top-of-the-line TV's. Graphics arent going to sell jack this generation.

How is it possible? (-1, Offtopic)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515437)

How did Zonk manage to post a PS3 story without turning a cheap jab at Sony that consisted of one sentence in the article into the entire summary?

Re:How is it possible? (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515511)

THE END IS NIGH!!

Re:How is it possible? (5, Insightful)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515587)

Because contrary to popular belief, Zonk isn't biased against the PS3?

This isn't the first and it won't be the last time Zonk posts news about the PS3 without bashing it. It's been stated before and I'll stated again that Zonk can only post what news on the PS3 there is, not what news there isn't. If 90% of that news is bad, which it was for a very long time, he's just the messenger. Shooting him doesn't change what other people report.

Attacking Zonk is as popular around here as predicting the "inevitable" death of Sony. Both are silly pursuits.

Re:How is it possible? (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515819)

Actually he DID slip in the importing dig, which is completely irrelevent and just there to sonybash.

Re:How is it possible? (2, Insightful)

IpalindromeI (515070) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517893)

How is it a dig? Sony did sue Lik-Sang [lik-sang.com] over importing, even though it was perfectly legal.

How is it irrelevant? This article concerns the PS3 launch, which will be happening a few months later in Europe than elsewhere, and people might have been considering importing it. Now they might not be able to because of Sony's actions. Seems relevant to those who might've wanted to import, no?

Bias against PS3 is just commonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16517785)

How could anyone remotely sensible not be biased against a console that costs a fortune because it comes with a Blueray drive for which currently there is next to zero media content available? (And there won't be either, for at least a year.)

OK, I grant you that we have to exclude the very rich, who have no need to think about cost-effectiveness of a purchase before they wave their unlimited credit card at it or send their chauffeur over to pick one up.

But the very rich aside, being biased against the PS3 is completely natural and sensible. Another way of putting it is that, unless you have a ton of money, you must be a complete moron if you are not biased against it.

And that's especially true given that Xbox 360 is here and is vastly cheaper, and that the Wii at 1/3rd of the price offers much more playability with its new controller than the PS3's poorer controller ever will.

If you're not biased against the PS3, then you've got a serious inability to make rational value judgements.

Re:Bias against PS3 is just commonsense (0, Flamebait)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517935)

Theeeeeeen why are you trolling ps3 stories? Wouldn't you be happy chatting it up with your fellow Wii people on those stories?

Oh yes that "rational value judgement" thing.

Um hmm. Those Slashdotters are a mature non-fanboy bunch.

Oh - wait.

Re:Bias against PS3 is just commonsense (1)

flewp (458359) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518683)

Well, there may be very little to no content now, but those of us who actually do have common sense realise that there will be content available. Those with common sense may also realise that given the price of blu-ray stand alone players, the PS3 with it's ability to play games may not be that bad of a deal. I fail to see your arguement about excluding the *very* rich. You don't even have to be rich to be able to afford a PS3. A PS3 and a game to get started is around one paycheck for someone who makes ~50,000-60,000 USD a year. Last time I checked, that doesn't exactly put you into the "very rich" segment of the population.

In other words, those of us who actually do possess common sense are actually more open minded instead of being close minded as well as narrow minded like yourself.

Re:How is it possible? (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520085)

I used to be with you and think people were too hard on Zonk. I think his reviews are fine and such. But, after reading the comments he makes on PS3 vs other consoles...it is clear he is biased. I don't mind seeing 99 out of 100 negative ps3 articles...it's his petty little comments that get to you after awhile.

bullshit (1)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520447)

So, tell me, why has Zonk failed to post 90% of the positive news about the PS3? Why do I have to go elsewhere to read most of the accounts of people who have actually gotten their hands on a PS3? Why do I have to go elsewhere to read any criticism of the Wii from people who've played them?

This is /. for fuck sakes. How can you say with a straight face that an editor here isn't biassed?

Re:How is it possible? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16515715)

Did he have to?

Look at the games that were listed "FEAR, Call of Duty 3, Full Auto 2, Genji: Days of the Blade, NBA Live 07, NBA 2K7, NHL 2K7, Rainbow Six Vegas, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Untold Legends, and Riiidge Racer 7" Which game there is exclusive and of high enough quality to encourage you to buy a $500/$600 PS3?

Re:How is it possible? (4, Informative)

Manmademan (952354) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516229)

Resistance: Fall of Man is absent from your list but is widely considered to be the system seller at launch.

Re:How is it possible? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16516631)

It could very well be the system seller, but My list was directly in the article summary where Resistance: Fall of Man wasn't listed. My point wasn't to bash the PS3, but I do want you to consider that the PS3 has to prove why someone should spend the extra $100/$200 on it when most of the games are available on the XBox 360 already. Not to karma whore, but consider the Wii's launch for a moment ... The big games that seem interesting and high quality are Zelda, Raman, Red Steel, Trauma Center, Monkey Ball and Excite Truck (with Madden Wii being different enough to possibly consider it a different game than regular Madden); every last one of those games is exclusive for at least a reasonably long time.

Damn it. (1)

mcai8rw2 (923718) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515441)

Ah lucky europe. Why bother tempting yourself with these bits of info...you know we;re not getting ours till March damn sony.

Re:Damn it. (2, Funny)

Clever7Devil (985356) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517627)

I thought you guys didn't mind...

Maybe... (2)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515465)

Maybe in a while when the price goes down from 500+ will I take a look at it.

Re:Maybe... (1)

Programmer_In_Traini (566499) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519585)

hum.

if you're will to buy at $499 and wait, why not shell out the extra $100 and have it now ?

100$ extended over a few months isn't a big deal.

No Imports Allowed (2, Funny)

poormanjoe (889634) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515789)

They will disturbe our entire ecosystem, or realase to much CO2.
 
  God Bless America, and free trade that we are allowed.

Title (2, Interesting)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515811)

Is it just me, the fact that I'm not much of a Sony fan (I only bought a used PS2 a month ago, but I do enjoy the games I'm playing), but I'm not exactly interested in the titles they're offering up? Untold Legends? I had the first one on the PSP and it was traded in

Of course, I've been pretty negative about the PS3 with it's high price and undesired hardware (HD output and blue-ray, though I like the Blue-Ray more than HD-DVD), but being a person who dislikes sports titles on video games (Techmo SuperBowl is the only game I ever truely enjoyed), I AM actually intersted in the Wii sports package... which, by the way, comes with the system. I dunno, maybe I'm not into the NCAA, FIFA, NFL, NHL titles. The sports games I enjoyed (with the exception above) where always 'generic' leages, like "Basebase All-Stars" for the NES or that old NES hocky game, "Blades of Steel" I think it was called? Oh, "Double Dribble" was fun, but I don't recall if it used real 'teams' or not.

Anyway, I'm not impressed with this line-up so far.

Cheers,
Fozzy

Re:Title (1)

BrodyVess (455213) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516203)

Great- Now I'm going to have the theme song for blades of steel stuck in my head all day long. Along with anyone who ever played it.

Enough OTHER players demand real leagues (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518969)

I dunno, maybe I'm not into the NCAA, FIFA, NFL, NHL titles. The sports games I enjoyed (with the exception above) where always 'generic' leages

Unfortunately, the economies of scale in console licensing make the video game market a representative plutocracy. Tastes have shifted such that most other people who choose to buy team sport games would prefer EA's Madden NFL instead of Midway's Blitz: The League or some other gridiron football game that uses a fictional league. Frankly, as of 2006, it appears that there aren't enough yen, dollars, and euros controlled by people like you to make fictional league sports game development and publishing profitable.

Importing is illegal? (4, Insightful)

Maul (83993) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515885)

So let me get this straight.

1. Go to Japan.
2. Buy a bunch of PS3s legally.
3. Offer to sell these PS3s I purchased legally on my web page to international customers.
4. Resell the PS3s to people outside of Japan.

I fail to see how this is illegal, per say. I'm a bit confused.

Re:Importing is illegal? (2, Insightful)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#16515985)

You and me both.

Aparently they won a suit against Lik-Sang, however mabey there is something going on there, like any one that orders from Sony wholesale signs an agreement to not sell out of their region.....

Either way, it is crazy.

Re:Importing is illegal? (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516369)

Lik-Sang is an actual company. The court's decision had nothing to do with a single person reselling something in another country that he bought at full price in Japan.

Re:Importing is illegal? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16516853)

Re:Importing is illegal? (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516479)

Parallel importation [wikipedia.org] ... consumers love it, manufacturers hate it and try to get laws passed to prohibit it. Every once in a while, governments fall for their whining about economic losses, and pass those laws.

Re:Importing is illegal? (1)

Detritus (11846) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516869)

They may be using trademark law. Customs can seize goods that make unauthorized use of a trademark, such as some grey-market goods.

Nominative use: "PSP Compatible" (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519023)

Customs can seize goods that make unauthorized use of a trademark, such as some grey-market goods.

Then sell your grey-market PSP as an "LCD Game System Compatible with Sony PSP Games". Trademark law in the United States and some other countries does not restrict nominative use [wikipedia.org] of "PSP" in the previous phrase, just as various computer makers in the 1980s advertised that their products were "IBM compatible".

Re:Importing is illegal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16517775)

I fail to see how this is illegal, per say. I'm a bit confused.

You're confused because the phrase is per se [englishforums.com] , not "per say".

PS3 - An opportunity for Sony OS??? (2, Interesting)

aJester (954798) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516093)

I just had this thought... more along the lines of random musings.
I apologize if someone had already discussed this :)

PS-3 would actually be a good vehicle for Sony to introduce its own OS .. a la-Apple. coz they will rightaway have a HUGE marketshare.
And they can sell higher priced hardware (Vaios etc) using the same OS, which means that games written for PS3 that does NOT use PS3 specific hardware feature would work on the Sony PCs.

If Sony had bought, BeOS, which I hear has low latency and was made from the ground up for Multi-media, they may have had an OS which is mostly done. They just need to tune it for their PS3.

Disclaimer: I do not know too much about BeOS. So you can replace that with your fav OS, like Amiga, Plan9 or whatever. I mentioned BeOS coz I seem to remember reading that it was called a Media OS.

Any thoughts......

Jester

Re:PS3 - An opportunity for Sony OS??? (3, Funny)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516339)

SonyOS: Crackers won't trojan you, we already have.

Re:PS3 - An opportunity for Sony OS??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16516437)

Sony has their own OS -- Aperios -- for controlling embedded devices. I've worked with it; it's a piece of crap. I can't imagine how terrible they'd be at implementing a desktop OS.

Re:PS3 - An opportunity for Sony OS??? (1)

aJester (954798) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516703)

The point ... is that we need more diverse eco-system when it comes to Operating Systems.

But it is impossible for a normal company to come and launch a new OS.
Sony happens to be in the unique position where they can have instant marketshare coz of the millions of PS3 they will have. So they can initially launch it as the PS-3 OS. Once developers have become comfortable writing games on it, they can introduce it on their desktop version at some point in future. The point is, there is potential there, if Sony wants to break free from Microsoft.

Now that Microsoft is attacking Sony, that time may NOT be too far away. So Sony either may want to try to license Mac OS X, but apple seems to be becoming a competitor.

Since Microsoft is "migrating" to Vista, this is the perfect opportunity to attack the Windows monopoly.
Mac OS X is the ONLY alternative on desktops currently.
Linux is there on servers.
But a few more diverse OS would be nice and this is the Perfect time.

peace!
jester

Re:PS3 - An opportunity for Sony OS??? (1)

blighter (577804) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518665)

Not to rain on your parade, but it's just as impossible for Sony to launch it's own OS as it would be for a "normal" company.

If the PS3 sells twice as well as the PS2 (which is very unlikely) and does so instantly (which is impossible) that would leave Sony with a small fraction of the total install base of Microsoft. And it would be completely left out of the most important markets, which is the business market.

Re:PS3 - An opportunity for Sony OS??? (3, Informative)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517683)

The PS3 can run Linux so it already has its own OS. It's not clear if Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 [terrasoftsolutions.com] is the official Linux for the PS3, but it's still a pretty awesome to see it at all. The FAQ even says you can download it for free (though paying for it gets you updates). Interestingly YDL has a Cell SDK and cluster management software. So you really could build a Beowulf cluster of these.

Details are pretty light so far. I'd like to know if YDL runs alongside the PS3 cross bar media interface, resides in it, or what.

Online + Talladega Nights (3, Interesting)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516301)

The most surprising details to me were how finished the much-questioned Playstation Store and online service are. I was fully expecting this to be the flimsiest part of the PS3 offering but it actually seems quite solid. (And I love, love love that Cross Media Bar interface. The X360 dashboard is nice until you have a zillion items that you must grab out of a pull-down menu; then its pure hell.)

Also I think throwing a bluray copy of Talladega Nights into the box - a month ahead of the film's actual release - is quite clever. Let people see what bluray is, if they are lucky enough to have a TV that can play HD. This was a popular promo for the PSP.

Anyone have more details of PSP-to-PS3 functionality? I've read numerous 'possibilities', the remote feature, and the stuff about downloading PS1 games to PSP via PS3, but what about streaming movies etc?

Re:Online + Talladega Nights (1)

DarkJC (810888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517655)

Anyone have more details of PSP-to-PS3 functionality?

That's all been revealed on Game Day. I personally read the info on this stuff over at IGN, but I'm assuming you can get the coverage from anywhere. Basically, there will be a PSP "Remote Play" feature that will turn the PS3 into a slave device operated by the PSP. All video, music, photos, etc stored on your PS3 will be viewable from your PSP. Also, there was a demo that allowed a 1080p Blu-ray movie being played back on the PS3 to immediately switch to a PSP playback mode, and continue playback from the same spot on your PSP.

All media stored on your PSP can also be accessed and played back via PS3, so the combined functionality of these two devices is actually quite cool. The only thing you can't do that I'm aware of is play a PS3 game on the PSP via the Remote Play feature, although with various games supporting the PSP in special ways (hopefully more than just a rear-view mirror) this may be feasible. All in all, I'm quite surprised with the integration they've provided between PS3 and PSP.

Re:Online + Talladega Nights (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517801)

Thank you very much for the PSP info. The streaming movies thing is incredibly cool. (That takes a LOT of horsepower, if its doing realtime compression + streaming to H.264 and serving it over WiFi.)

PSP and PS3 -- one eensy little detail (1)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518031)

PSP and PS3 integration is only possible with the WiFi version of the PS3. You are looking at an extra purchase if you buy the low-end version of the PS3. Dumb.

Re:PSP and PS3 -- one eensy little detail (1)

Manmademan (952354) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518215)

The low end version of the Ps3 is upgradable to Wifi via USB. It's not crippled by any means.

Re:PSP and PS3 -- one eensy little detail (1)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518333)

Sure, it can be done, but if they are going to charge so much for a console, the inclusion of relatively inexpensive WiFi seems like a no brainer. But then again, the whole notion of two versions of the same console is mind-boggling to me. The whole point of a stand-alone console should be the uniformity of the platform. "Upgradable" consoles just make everything more expensive for the consumer and more difficult for the developer.

Re:Online + Talladega Nights (1)

flewp (458359) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518833)

Though I don't own, or plan to buy a PSP, hopefully the PSP-PS3 integration with games isn't done as afterthoughts, or too much emphasis put on it so as to adversely(sp) affect other parts of the game. Things like a rear-view mirror, while it may sound like a good idea, seems kind of pointless to me. I'd rather have the rear view mirror on the screen, in front of me, at the top - Where you would expect a rear-view mirror to normally be in your field of view when driving. Unless you have some kind of special mount for the PSP, where the hell else are you going to put it? On the couch, next to you? On the coffee table? It just seems like one of those ideas that sounds cool until you actually think about it's usefullness.

Slightly OT: Yellow Dog Linux for PS3? (2, Interesting)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516559)

I submitted this, but Zonk didn't post it. I would think it would be a big deal; perhaps I'm missing some detail.

He's the Ars Technica article: Yellow Dog Linux for PS3 Announced [arstechnica.com]

If we get YDL for PS3, does this not mean we can write homebrew software for it? It just seems to change the equation a bit. A $600 game console is expensive, but a $600 multicore Linux PC that can do HD, Bluray and a bunch of other interesting tricks is a lot more interesting...

Re:Slightly OT: Yellow Dog Linux for PS3? (1)

VanillaBabies (829417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16516671)

Thats because it was posted on Monday Yellow Dog Linux v5.0 for PS3 Announced [slashdot.org]

On a side note, OMG Zonk didn't post a dupe.

Re:Slightly OT: Yellow Dog Linux for PS3? (2, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517137)

I submitted this, but Zonk didn't post it. I would think it would be a big deal; perhaps I'm missing some detail.

He's the Ars Technica article: Yellow Dog Linux for PS3 Announced

Don't know when you posted it to Zonk, but this was posted on Monday [slashdot.org] .

For once, maybe the editors prevented a duplicate.

Cheers

Re:Slightly OT: Yellow Dog Linux for PS3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16520199)

One word: MAME

I know you can do those things on a computer, a dreamcast, some chipped consoles, and your solar-powered calculator already...but dude, MAME! Chalk it up as an added feature -- performing a hadouken with the sixasses controller.

noticed increase in game version number ? (1)

Superken7 (893292) | more than 7 years ago | (#16517767)

Not to be too offtopic, but i noticed the 'funny' fact that nearly all of the game titles
look like this: "GAMEXYZ 8".

Call of Duty 3, Full Auto 2, NBA Live 07, NBA 2K7, NHL 2K7, Rainbow Six Vegas, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Ridge Racer 7 ... that gives me the feeling that they are just re-releasing the same games with minor changes but better graphics.
Tony 8? Ridge Racer 7? how many of them will there be ?

*sigh*

Re:noticed increase in game version number ? (1)

oc255 (218044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518057)

Final Fantasy 11->12 vs Windows 98->XP? Some brands "reboot". One might be good, one might be the same old crap with a new name. Judge book + cover? I think it's the smallest aspect of a game. But at the same time, Final Fantasy MCMLXXXIV would be pretty absurd (if not Orwellian ;P).

Still no mention of the cost of online play? (1)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518235)

Yeah, they say "FREE" browsing and "FREE" downloadable demos, but am I the only one didn't see anything about the cost of online play against other players? How much is Sony's version of X-Box Live?

Re:Still no mention of the cost of online play? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16518297)

Multiplayer is 100% free, and it's been announced countless times officially. Check the references and citations at the bottom of the PS3 Wikipedia article for links. Or you could have used Google, you lazy ass.

Re:Still no mention of the cost of online play? (1)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518701)

Sorry, but you're the AC-posting ass. There is nothing in the Wikipedia article that says multiplayer is 100% free. It says it is up to the game maker to charge or not charge, similar to the Wii. That said, the cited article is five months old, makes no reference to the actual cost of multiplayer play, and otherwise contains numerous errors about the specifics of the PS3. What I find odd, and what I posted about, and what you didn't attempt to answer, is that Sony seems to have made no mention of it during the show yesterday which was supposed to reveal everything about the online functionality of the PS3.

Broadband still costs (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519103)

Multiplayer is 100% free

Does Sony have a hotspot network like Nintendo does so that people who live close to a McDonald's restaurant can whip out a suitable antenna [wikipedia.org] and play even if they had to downgrade the family PC's Internet access from broadband to dial-up to be able to afford the PSP or PS3?

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