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Sony Says They May Not Hit PS3 Shipment Targets

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the how-could-they-ship-less dept.

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Via 1up, a Bloomberg article exploring the possibility that Sony may not hit their shipment targets for the PS3. From the article: "Sony plans to ship two million PlayStation 3 players this year to the U.S. and Japan, and six million worldwide by March. The Tokyo-based company said yesterday annual profit would fall 35 percent to its lowest in five years on price cuts of the console in Japan and a recall of 9.6 million computer batteries. 'The honest answer is it's more of a target' for PlayStation 3 shipments, Jack Tretton, co-chairman of Sony Computer Entertainment America, said yesterday in an interview. 'Clearly we've had production issues.'"

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76 comments

Haha! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16518661)

Haha!

Always love a good montage (1)

not already in use (972294) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518667)

And cut to nuclear explosion montage

Re:Always love a good montage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16533502)

How can anyone be surprised? I've read from the last several game shows attended by media that the PS3s on display were a) few in number, and b) not directly accessible while Nintendo's Wii were apparently available in fairly large numbers with several demo games and usable by the general public. Similarly they also noted at the same period in the XBOX360 development/pre-launch point that XBOX360s were demoable by the general public along with several titles. i.e. It really sounded to me like Sony was still hashing out some of the design work and/or hand run into some non-trivial mfg problems. I feel sorry for the early adopters this time around as I've got a bad feeling it might be ugly not too far down the road, as even the XBOX360 early units had problems(poor initial design and/or mfg). Of course I'm already factoring in Sony's notoriously low quality consumer goods, especially consoles which always have skimped on the optical drives(or what's usually failed in both my PS1s, PS2s, AM/FM/cd player portables, CD players, etc. that I've had from Sony. Their Clies and Vaios on the other hand seem to be of sturdier build quality along with their stereo receivers... IOW Sony tends to take an overly cheap route on products below a certain profit margin.)

In another article... (1)

boris_the_hacker (125310) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518693)

... most people noted that they weren't surprised.

Re:In another article... (2, Interesting)

abigor (540274) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518731)

I'm not really a gamer, but I've noticed that Zonk posts a lot of anti-PS3 stories. What's up with that? Is it wishful thinking on his part, or will the PS3 really crater?

Re:In another article... (4, Insightful)

boris_the_hacker (125310) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518853)

Personally?

I love gaming.

I have a PS2, Xbox and GameCube.

The Xbox360 is starting to have some stonking titles coming out to play such as BioShock and Lost Planet. The Wii is looking sh*t hot and I've personally pre-ordered it. The PS3? Even Sony seem to be convincing themselves that it is a worthy investment. Regardless of cost, it looks like a mish-mash of ideas that are poorly conceived and put together. Much like the PSP it is likely to be a jack of most trades and a master of none. I hope it doesn't fail because there is a nice little 3 way competition going on which is forcing innovation e.g. The Wii. The only thing that has my interest piqued is Metal Gear Solid 4, and even that wont be out to play until late next year.

Just my 2 pence.

Re:In another article... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16520327)

The Xbox360 is starting to have some stonking titles coming out


wtf is that supposed to mean? Is it like "stinkin'"? Are they titles you're "stoked about"? Do they have "stank" (or perhaps they've already "stunk")?

Might as well define "stenk" for me, since that'll be the only one left. (and sometimes "stynk". haha, "thou doth stynk")

Re:In another article... (1)

ZzzzSleep (606571) | more than 7 years ago | (#16525977)

The Xbox360 is starting to have some stonking titles coming out
wtf is that supposed to mean? Is it like "stinkin'"?
Try here [urbandictionary.com] . Definitions 3 and 4 would probably fit.

Re:In another article... (4, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519405)

The PS3 will do well. But I don't think it's going to dominate this console generation like the PS2 did. And I think a lot of people not only agree, but are hopeful that Sony gets a bit of a kick in the teeth this round. The way they've been talking about the PS3, and really a whole lot of their attitude as of late has been pompous and irritating. They've been acting like they walk on water, and gamers are lucky that Sony has the time to provide us with their hardware. And that's annoying.

Like Nintendo before them, Sony could use a good shot of humility, maybe it'll help them refocus. They need to remember and understand that consumers have choices, and that they need to earn our money.

Zonk is a Nintendo fanboy (so am I), and his anti-sony bent is pretty strong. All that being said, there's been way more bad news for Sony than good news for the past year or so, so it's not all Zonk.

Re:In another article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16526723)

All that being said, there's been way more bad news for Sony than good news for the past year or so, so it's not all Zonk


Really? I thought Sony's network platform news last week was good news... and I think it was a huge question mark replaced by a smiley face. And, probably most screenshots are bogus, but PS3 has launch titles touting 1080p@60... and if that is true, even for a single title, why would anyone invest any money in a platform mostly synonmous with 720p@30 (Gears of War, Oblivion, PGR3, etc)?

Don't get me wrong, I don't own a 1080p TV. But I Will, and when that happens I'll have spent over $1000 on a console and its games already... Which system would I'd've been wise to buy? Nintendo is primed in the same way: they said "Fuck HD, our focus is on SD and the controller" and so their games will be sweet because focus won't be torn between the necessity to provide HD resolution and the incapability of the console to do it at 60fps.

Re:In another article... (4, Insightful)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519419)

If it will crater = be ignored by gamers, is not known yet. A lot will depend on how good the games really are. But one thing is sure:
Sony's delays in manufacturing will also delay game sales, and that will hurt Sony. No matter how good the finished product is, people who cannot buy it in the first place won't pay for it => less revenue.

Re:In another article... (2, Insightful)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519491)

Bits of both.

Zonk, from his own articles and admission is a die hard XBox user. There is certainly a rivalry, and Slashdot makes no bones about slant in its editors (no "Fair and Balanced"(TM-LOL) here).

On the other end, while I certainly hope Sony succeeds, and plan on buying a PS3 (in the second wave of adopters), there have been lots of negative articles in the press about both Sony and the PS3.

The media don't really care about the long list of grievances that most Slshdotters trot out, but they need to fill articles, and headlines. As we've seen in the nightly news, sensationalism sells. Sony hasn't exactly made it difficult, but playing the 'lets bash Sony' game seems big right now in the media. (as an aside, I noticed the CNet had a Showdown between the DS and PSP, and they chose the PSP :) ).

Unless Sony truly Fs up, the PS3 will be just fine. It might not be the out and out dominant master of its generation (like the PS2 was), but I don't think it will crater. The real question will be how things look next March, June and October.

If the PS3 is still selling out and is hard to get in March, it might be a bad sign (can't produce enough quantity), or a good sign (the demand keeps growing).

If the PS3 has sold enough by June the second wave of games should be hitting (assuming there isn't a summer slump :/ ) and we should be seeing more of what it can do (assuming the launch titles don't thrill as much as expected).

By next October we'll have a better handle on wether the PS3 tanked, or soared based on availability, game line-up, market-share, etc.

Of course, you can't expect a game company (or anyone responsible for a "games" column), to simply post "We don't know how it will do, so we're not going to print anything until it happens".

On a related note, take a look at the PSP. People started by writing it off (primarily because of UMD, similarly to how PS3 is being written off because of Blu-Ray). It had a slow start at good games. It launched in the US in march 25th 2005. This is its second "Holiday Season", the units are still selling and gaining popularity, availability is good, and lots of games are coming out (some stinkers, some ports, a lot more new and original content though).

Has it toppled Nintendo? No. Has it carved a niche into the hand-held market where lots of others have failed? Yes.

Re:In another article... (1)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 7 years ago | (#16522377)

It depends on the definition of "just fine" really.

How did the GameCube do this generation? If you answer "just fine", as it sold a good number of systems, and had a lot of fun, exclusive game experiences, then you're probably right. The PS3 will be just fine.

If you define how the GameCube did as failure, then the PS3 will more than likely fail as well.

If you're looking for the PS1/PS2 style library, then you probably won't find it on the PS3, at least not for a couple of years. I'm not sure who will have it, (My money is on the Wii reaching 15 million sales worldwide first) but I think the PS3 has the worst change of getting there, by a fair margin.

Re:In another article... (1)

Maxwell (13985) | more than 7 years ago | (#16528859)

This is slashdot. Your rational, level headed, well thought out statements are not welcome here!

But thanks for trying.

JON

Re:In another article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16522137)

No, it's just that Zonk is a complete and utter moron whose mere existence is a sign of the coming apocalypse.

And this is news because? (1)

Raptor-DP (729253) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518705)

The guy was only reiterating that the mark given was a target... which the article itself even says so any marginally intelligent person (read: not a monkey) would be able to decifer this amazingly cryptic usage of the word 'target'.

Re:And this is news because? (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519069)

. . . any marginally intelligent person . . . would be able to decifer this amazingly cryptic usage of the word 'target'.

tar.get; n: Something the unskilled succeed in not hitting.

KFG

Re:And this is news because? (1)

monopole (44023) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519283)

Simple in the Sony dialect of English:
Target:Feet
Shoot early and often.

Re:And this is news because? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16520829)

It's news because Sony and a competitor are releasing major and in-many-ways-similar products the same week, but in completely opposite ways:

  Sony announced how many units they expected to have on launch day and by the end of the year.
  Sony's annonced numbers were lower than expected.
  Sony has now announced that the announced numbers are probably the maximum possible. They appear to imply that they will likely not reach these numbers.

  The competitor announced how many units they expected to have on launch day and by the end of the year.
  The competitor's announced numbers were higher than expected.
  The competitor has recently announced that the announced numbers are probably a minimum possible. They appear to imply that they will likely exceed these numbers.

Most people have no major preference one way or the other as to who "wins" this generation, but it is definitely news-worthy how many times Sony, a major player in many aspects of the consumer electronics industry, has done very public things that don't seem to be in the consumer's best interest. It will _continue_ to be newsworthy, so please stop asking if it is news. Your vote for it _not_ being news is made by not clicking through the article links or to the summary page, not looking at replies, not making replies, and not inciting more replies by asking "is this news?".

In other news... (5, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518717)

Sony is now having a fire sale on used laptop batteries.

Re:In other news... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16519107)

get them while they're hot.

Re:In other news... (1)

Christopher Rogers (873720) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520123)

Perhaps the word you're looking for is "liquidation."

Re:In other news... (1)

mink (266117) | more than 7 years ago | (#16547650)

I think Burnination is the word needed.

Re:In other news... (0)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#16524875)

Like this?

Tobias: "Oh, my God, we're having a fire. Sale. Oh, the burning! It burns me! Evacuate all the schoolchildren! (Screaming. Singing "Amazing Grace.") This isn't a fever! (Continues singing.) Can't even see where the knob is! (Dramatic sigh.) And scene"

I miss Arrested Development :(

So... (3, Informative)

Admodieus (918728) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518721)

the 400,000 delegated for North America at launch may dip even lower? Looks like those Ebay pre-orders just rose in stock...

Looks like unfulfilled reservations all over again (1)

madhatter256 (443326) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518727)

Looks like Gamestop and EB will experience shortages like they did with the Xbox 360. This will also result in people who paid ludicrous amounts for a reservation ticket from Gamestop/EB the likelyhood that they won't get a PS3 when it is released. I feel sorry for those poor suckers.

Let the hilarity ensue!

Re:Looks like unfulfilled reservations all over ag (4, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518869)

I feel sorry for those poor suckers.

I don't, primarily because they're suckers...

Re:Looks like unfulfilled reservations all over ag (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519569)

You'd think EB/Gamestop would have learned their lesson the first time. I guess management sees the guaranteed money as more important than actually selling the thing when it comes out. I just think it's rediculous that now you have to stand in line to get a pre-order. I thought the whole idea of getting a pre-order was to skip the outside camping shenanigans. Honestly I think it's less of a hassle to just go to the store when it comes it, and if you get one awesome, if not wait like a few weeks. Hell, take whatever extra money you make in those few weeks to make your initial experience a bit better and buy another game or another controller or something.

Personally, I'm not going to buy a PS3 for a long time, if I even get one. I don't know about anyone else but I'm getting less and less excited about paying out my ass for videogames, I'm already pissed about the $10 increase of retail games prices when they were already steep to begin with. I dunno, maybe I'm just growing out of video games or something but that $700 or so that you're going to end up spending by the time you leave the store could be a significant investment on the car, or a decent used guitar.

Although I'm saying this now, no doubt I won't be saying it when all 3 consoles are in the full swing of things :_(

Re:Looks like unfulfilled reservations all over ag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16519961)

You're not growing out of anything. This one costs $700 by itself. If you buy one, what you should do is resell it on eBay. You'd probably get double that for it, and then you can buy a Wiivolution and its entire library.

Oh look 1UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16518737)

I'm not clicking on that link because I have standards.
And without standards where would we be?


Personally I believe that THE Open Source Communiy should develop a console that THE PEOPLE can use and modify to THEIR NEEDS

Umm, a PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16518885)

It's called a PC :) A console is perfect for those people who do not posess the knowlege necessary to keep their PC upgraded and patched in order to play the latest and greatest games. Consoles are successful because they do not suffer from hardware differences, OS differences, etc. At the end of the day the game player and the game developer have it easier on a console because they do not have to worry about the extra requirements that a PC has.

When you start bringing in custom game OS's, interfaces, modifications, other Open Source / closed source changes, you lose that "console" baseline and you turn into a PC.

Re:Umm, a PC? (1)

nickj6282 (896871) | more than 7 years ago | (#16521239)

A console is perfect for those people who do not posess the knowlege necessary to keep their PC upgraded and patched in order to play the latest and greatest games.

Don't forget the money factor. If I want to play the "latest and greatest" I'm looking at a new PC at least every 2-3 years, figure $1000+ for a low-to-midrange gaming rig. Then every year I've got to upgrade the video card, lets say I go midrange again at $200-250. If you're upgrading CPU, RAM, HDD, mouse, monitor, or anything else in that time, just add it to the tab. Then you've got to shell out ~$50 each for the latest and greatest games.

Lets try again with the Xbox360, just as an example. I spend $400 today on the premium unit. $50 for a second wireless controller, say $60 each for two games to get me started, and a one year Xbox Live gold subscription (I don't know how much they are. Still $50?) I've spent $630 (less than a good gaming rig without any games). Next year I buy a few new games. No upgrades necessary, just need to renew my Live subscription. Say I buy two games a year I'm at $150 or so per year. With the PC I'm well over $400 a year.

Consoles are simpler and cheaper, and IMO far more fun. To me, at least, it's a no-brainer.

Re:Oh look 1UP (5, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518965)

Personally I believe that THE Open Source Communiy should develop a console that THE PEOPLE can use and modify to THEIR NEEDS

Yeah, me too! And it should run on Linux or some other open source OS. And it should have user-installable parts so that you can expand it to have exactly the specs that you want. If you want more memory, you should be able to buy "sticks" of memory to plug into it. If you want more storage space, you should be able to buy a hard disk or optical disc component to hook up to it. If you don't like its graphics abilities, you should be able to buy a "graphics module" that will give you more power. And you should be able to run it on a TV if you want, or a monitor if you want. And it should have the option for a keyboard if you wanted to type something instead of use a gamepad. That would be so awesome!!! Man, I really wish somebody would make something like that...

Moderators MOD PARENT DOWN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16519113)

Parent is a KNOWN TROLL and an enemy of the Open Source Revolution!!!!

Also: effort. you don't have enough to do at your job, so why don't they offshore your position to the hardworking people at Tata Consultancy Services.

Where are the PC party games? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519215)

[Describes a PC] Man, I really wish somebody would make something like that...

More importantly, I really wish somebody would make multiplayer party games that need only one machine for four players for that.

Re:Where are the PC party games? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520733)

More importantly, I really wish somebody would make multiplayer party games that need only one machine for four players for that.

The game? No problem. But then you need to make four controllers, and possibly an USB hub. So far, not really a problem. The you have to convince distributors they should stock your huge box, and retailers to stock it. That's going to be a big problem. Then, you need to convince consumers to buy it, and that's going to be a huge problem. I already have an old joystick and a gamepad collecting dust, almost no games are made for those controls so they're in the closet.

To get it off the ground, you have to show commitment and the financial muscle to get it off the ground. You have to credibly sell to the consumer that he's buying four controllers for many games to come, not this one-hit game. The last thing I want is to be stuck with four useless controllers after they decide the profits aren't good enough and yank the other projects. Who can promise that in today's game market? And the better question is, why would anyone bother? The moment those controllers are established as "the" PC controllers, everyone else will use them too. Someone would have to take a huge risk, maybe some financial losses, and for what? Setting a new standard they can't control? (Or if it's proprietary, I have no confidence I can play future games on it).

...even when arcade classics collections exist? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16521019)

But then you need to make four controllers, and possibly an USB hub. So far, not really a problem. The you have to convince distributors they should stock your huge box, and retailers to stock it.

Retailers already routinely stock USB hubs and gamepads that follow the USB Human Interface Device profile. So the box of a PC party game would be no bigger than a typical PC game box, that is, the size of a DVD case.

I already have an old joystick and a gamepad collecting dust, almost no games are made for those controls so they're in the closet.

Namco, Midway, and the like already port their old game franchises to the PC using emulators, and as far as I can tell, they're compatible with USB gamepads. So why aren't any new native games developed for this control method?

Re:Oh look 1UP (4, Interesting)

Kichigai Mentat (588759) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519231)

What? You mean the GP2X [wikipedia.org] ? I mean, it's TOTALLY hacked [hackaday.com] these days, what with USB Host Mode, WiFi drivers, Qtopia, GPS, etc. Plus, did I mention it has a decent library of games [gp2x.org] , and has good progress with emulation [gp2x.org] (at least, with the big consoles from the fourth generation/16-bit era). There's plenty of toys [gp2x.org] to go around, and at $169 [lik-sang.com] , it's not too badly priced. Did I mention that it hooks up to a TV [lik-sang.com] , uses SecureDigital cards, runs a Linux kernel, and has built-in media capabilities rivaling the PSP?

The only big flaw with the console is, and this is a highly controversial point that has sparked many a flamewar, the fact that it runs off of AA batteries instead of a rechargeable one.

Re: Hardly a flaw... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#16549134)

The only big flaw with the console is, and this is a highly controversial point that has sparked many a flamewar, the fact that it runs off of AA batteries instead of a rechargeable one.

Instead of having a single proprietary 1800 mAh battery in the PSP, you can have two of these [thomas-distributing.com] standard type batteries that each have greater capacity than Sony's (and for less money). I'm not sure why you would perfer the other. What is the counter-argument?

Re: Hardly a flaw... (1)

Kichigai Mentat (588759) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593086)

My personal preference (though I understand why people disagree) is for rechargeable batteries. I find it nice to not have to buy batteries for my shiny new game unit, and consider it nice that it's included. Sure, you can use rechargeable AAs with the GP2X, but unless you have a stockpile, you have to pay extra for them.

Again, that's just my opinion. It's not like everyone has to feel and think the same things I do. (P.S. Note how I mentioned that this was controversially a flaw, and that many flamewars have gotten started over this topic)

Re: Hardly a flaw... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#16607252)

I know it would be nice to have it included (I'm sure it shops with disposable batteries), but I personally like the flexibility the standard batteries provide, and I also do have a stockpile of high capacity rechargeables (AA & AAA) for that reason.

I guess if they gave rechargeable AA'a with it then that would be the best all around.

Re:Oh look 1UP (1)

regular_gonzalez (926606) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520573)

That worked really well that last time [wikipedia.org] it was tried.

Here it comes... (5, Insightful)

PaulMorel (962396) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518747)

They really suckered us in, didn't they? Even I was optimistic when I heard that most stores got at least 8 allocated. Now, I'm kind of shocked.

This kind of subtle hinting always seems to leak out before the bombshell drops. At least with Sony lately, that seems to be the standard. With only a million by Christmas, there was only going to be a launch in name. If there's less than one million by Christmas, then, in all practicality, we're looking at what amounts to a 2007 launch

Re:Here it comes... (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519545)

With only a million by Christmas, there was only going to be a launch in name.


Gee. ... reminds me of the XBox 360 launch then. They seem to have done just fine (despite a lot of the negative hype that they were getting pre-launch). I think the PS3 will be just fine.

End of the World Theory (1)

Dark Leaper (989158) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518765)

It can only get worst. Its going to go from 300,000 units to 200,000 units to even lower numbers. People outraged with the shortage that have stood out in line for hours will throw down their empt.... wait, you know what... what people, everyone's getting a Wii.

Re:End of the World Theory (1, Insightful)

remembertomorrow (959064) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518843)

Wii can only hope. Sony have been mistreating their customers for far too long, and it's finally time for them to pay.

Re:End of the World Theory (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16521281)

Bad mods... this is not insightful... its just more text vomit.... saying the same thing that has been being said for that last few months does not count as insightful... especially not +3 insightful... bad mods

Re:End of the World Theory (0)

pl1ght (836951) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518855)

Keep dreaming fanboy. I wont buy a Wii 2 days later just because i have to wait on a PS3 in the scenario you present. No digital out for audio? No HD? no thanks! And yes, there are more of us than you think.

Re:End of the World Theory (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16518881)

And yes, there are more of us than you think.

Suckers?

All I can say is... (2, Funny)

liak12345 (967676) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518805)

Sony can't reach their over-inflated estimates? Inconceivable!

Re:All I can say is... (3, Insightful)

AlexanderDitto (972695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518915)

In other news, researchers announced today that "the sky is blue and water is wet."

More at eleven.

In all seriousness, do we really need to keep posting this? FTA: "PlayStation 3 game console because of a parts shortage in the Blu-ray high-definition disc drive." They get a big-wig to admit that their target shipment estimate is, "just a target." Unbelievable the stunning detective work that goes on around these parts.

Re:All I can say is... (1, Redundant)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519065)

Sony can't reach their over-inflated estimates? Inconceivable!

You keep using that word. I am not sure it means what you think it means.

=)

Come on mods ... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16520343)

If the grand parent is funny, why is the above redundant? It's the other half of the same joke.

Re:All I can say is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16542762)

The funny part is that, one week ago, I would have suspected that Sony set its "goals" artificially low to make a disappointing launch appear successful.

Vegonomics anyone? (4, Funny)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518835)

yes... Vegonomics [vgcats.com]

GASP!!! Say it isn't so!!!! (1, Flamebait)

CPE1704TKS (995414) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518861)

Uh, Sony, I think you were the only ones who believed that you would actually hit whatever targets you specified. NO ONE ELSE BELIEVED YOU. It's obvious that the chain-of-command in charge of this process was too afraid to tell the powers-that-be that they weren't going to hit the targets, so everyone said "yes", until it became too obvious that they wouldn't. So typical.

Regardless who cares about their shipping estimates, they won't hit their sales estimates either. They've successfully convinced themselves that the North American market is going to pay $600 for a gaming system, and it's a gaming system until they've proven otherwise. Just like the PSP, it could have been so much more, but it's not, because Sony dropped the ball... it's really just a portable gaming system, which I wasted $250+ on because I thought there were be better functionality with it.

Who cares? Only EBGames Employees... (-1, Flamebait)

nweaver (113078) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518883)

Who cares at this point?

Most have already decided what console(s) they are getting, if any. (Me, I'm getting a Wii).

Those dead set on the PS3 are already mentally adjusted to geting, umm, "anal lovin without lube" on the price.

All this means is those who want teh PS3 are more likely to have to buy it off of Ebay from some EBGames employee who actually was able to do a preorder.

Re:Who cares? Only EBGames Employees and... (1)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519057)

Sony Shareholders.

This is off an investment website, after all

Re:Who cares? Only EBGames Employees... (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520051)

Ain't no love to it. That's a full-on prison butt rape with a sandpaper condom.

-Eric

Re:Who cares? Only EBGames Employees... (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520275)


All this means is those who want the PS3 are more likely to have to buy it at some time after production is better able to keep up with demand.


There, I fixed that for you (and the typo also) :)

If the PS3 is going to tank so bad, then it doesn't matter how many units Sony ships.

If the PS3 is going to take off (albeit slower if there aren't enough units out there to go around), then getting it in November, or February isn't going to kill someone.

In other news... (0, Troll)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16518927)

Ebay was reported to be shocked that the auctions it routinely closes have hit $3000. Though Sony notes that with all the accessories you're required to buy with the Xbox 306, the PS3 is still a bargain.

Re:In other news... (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519317)

With all the accessories you're required to buy with the XBox360, Sony is full of shit.

Re:In other news... (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520003)

C'mon, modded troll? I was going for humorous. I'll bet money that prices will hit $2000 on EBay (the 360 hit $1500, and it didn't have quite the installed fanbase or supply shortages that the PS3 has), and I think there's a good chance some will crack $2500. (that's not exactly hatin' on PS3, since there obviously has to be demand for prices to go up that high)

Re:In other news... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16520143)

Slashdot obviously is now a Microsoft web site. It has Microsoft fanboys in it's ranks... don't say anything bad about Microsoft or you'll be modded down.

DOOM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16518935)

Now for the ps3. :)

Kennie, you're doing a heckuva a job. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16519043)

Are they trying to devalue Sony stock in an attempt to buy it all back or something? Is Ken Kutaragi for real? Is he a Nintendo mole? WTF Sony, I know you've sucked for years but you're really outdoing yourself. The only way the PS3 can top itself at this point would involve flames ... which doesn't seem unlikely.

Re:Kennie, you're doing a heckuva a job. (2, Funny)

AlexanderDitto (972695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519225)

Flames?! Why, we here at Sony LOVE flames. Flames and explosions. Especially explosions that involve corrosive battery acid. Those are the best type of flaming explosions.

But, no no, we'd never do anything like that. The PS3 WILL come with a special motion sensitive flamethrower attachment, though, in case you like that sort of thing. No? Well, we'll just charge you for it anyway.

I'll be the first to admit (3, Interesting)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519147)

The PS3 is going to sale in name alone.. i'm not going to play fangboy on any one side, but with recent light of events there are going to be a lot of upset kids this christmas if they're expecting a PS3 or a Wii and that may just help the 360 out.

PS3 luanch linup is a fantastic linup, but only 4 exclusives that won't be available on the 360 that i'm aware of. Wii has a fantastic linup but even if there are a million units the numbers shipped by christmas probably won't be enough to fill demand.

Another downside is after the 360 launch experience a majority of people buying these will only be buying them to resell on ebay - even if there is enough to fill demand people are going to do it because it worked so well for them last time.

So high prices, high demand, angry shoppers.. high cost across the board...

i'm not sure it will boost the 360 sales because of the microsoft stigma but i'm sure it will push sales to PC games, HD tv's, computers, laptops and mp3 players!

will be interesting.. Sucks to be Sony though.. i can't imagine how they messed up supply chain management considering they're king of most of what is in the ps3!

Re:I'll be the first to admit (1)

beyowulf (1014741) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519271)

i'm not going to play fangboy on any one side, but with recent light of events there are going to be a lot of upset kids this christmas if they're expecting a PS3 or a Wii and that may just help the 360 out.
You're afraid the PS3 will make you a werewolf?

Re:I'll be the first to admit (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#16524929)

"The PS3 is going to sale in name alone.."

In Japan, the N64 launched and sold on name-recognition alone.

Japanese players got their N64 and their copy of Super Mario 64, played it through, and then returned the N64s to the stores. The rest is history.

I have no doubt that the PS3 will sell based on name-recognition alone (in spite of the price tag). The real test will be whether people keep playing it after having real hands-on experience with it.

Re:I'll be the first to admit (1)

IpalindromeI (515070) | more than 7 years ago | (#16525213)

Wii has a fantastic linup but even if there are a million units the numbers shipped by christmas probably won't be enough to fill demand.

Recent estimates have Nintendo shipping four million (or even up to six) by the end of December. If that can't keep up with demand, I have to say, that would be awesome for the Wii.

In a prior article, some people refused to believe (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519199)

Yesterday, in a PS3 article on shipments, a number of other posters refused to believe that the reduced shipment numbers were true when I stated what I had read in the print edition of the Wall Street Journal (subscription required) on this problem.

Please note that Sony's move to beef up it's Blu-Ray players for home/commercial use is directly related to the lower shipment numbers of PS3 units. They all use the same basic devices, and it was an intentional choice by Sony to ship fewer consoles and ship more players, especially since they lose a lot more money on each console they ship (except to the UK, even if those are targetted for March 2007).

Higher Price on Ebay (1)

pjludlow (707302) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519753)

Well as long as I can get my GameStop pre-order (I was fourth at my store that had 12 pre-orders allowed) then I'll be happy. Sure I know I'm not guaranteed anything, but I'm crossing my fingers. It should mean it will go for even more on Ebay!

Wow (2, Funny)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 7 years ago | (#16519793)

"Sony plans to ship two million PlayStation 3 players this year..."

Why ship the systems when you can ship two million people who play it instead?

The timing is predictable (4, Interesting)

Morinaga (857587) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520413)

This should come as a suprise for absolutely no one who is familiar with corporate business.

Sony's quarterly earnings release was at the end of last week (Oct. 12th, http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/info/SEMC/200610.h tml#block0 [sony.net] ). The talking heads will not give any negitive outlook prior to an earnings release and the quarterly investor conference calls. Also, unless it's a slip-up corporate communications will not voice "lower than expected" earnings, growth, results or whatever unless it's at the end of the business week towards close of the market. This is a tried and true practice of letting bad news simmer over the weekend so it can be often offset with good news sometime next week. So, expect some sort of positive communications from Sony next week sometime.

NOT A NEW STORY (1)

jonabbey (2498) | more than 7 years ago | (#16520735)

Hey, um, guys, there's not actually any content to be seen in the linked article. All it says is that Sony is not going to hit its expected ship targets this year, and that this is going to cost them money.

This isn't news. We've known for months now that they wouldn't hit their initial ship targets. Nothing in this article says that Sony is not going to hit the revised ship targets that Sony detailed after TGS. 2 million consoles by the end of the year with 6 million by the end of March is precisely in line with what Sony said at TGS, and it's still a very aggressive ramp up. Microsoft will have taken twice to three times as long to achieve that sort of ship levels.

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