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WoW Burning Crusade Delayed until January 2007

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the little-longer-for-that-alliance-shaman dept.

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Wowzer writes "Blizzard today announced that the release date for World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade, the first expansion for World of Warcraft, is delayed until January 2007. From the article: 'By adding a few extra weeks to the development cycle beyond its original target date, Blizzard will be able to extend the closed beta test and further refine the new content that will ship with the game.' While disappointing now, what will this mean for the yearly WoW expansions long term? As Blizzard COO Paul Sams revealed plans in August that 'Starting with The Burning Crusade, every year thereafter we plan on bringing out a new expansion set.' 2008, 2009, ad infinitum?"

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290 comments

not so surprised... (2)

Nicaboker (978150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558002)

and as disappointing as this is I'm almost glad, this gives me a chance to actually get some good game play in and get my character leveled up and a chance to make the addiction worse..

Re:not so surprised... (1)

LocoMan (744414) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558044)

I have to agree too... I just started playing some weeks ago, and I'm level 32 but most of my friends are 60 already... hopefully I can get there and do some endgame quests with them before they all move to burning crusade and level 70 stuff.. :)

Re:not so surprised... (1)

Nicaboker (978150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558110)

Ha... I've been a lvl 42 for months now.. blasted real live and the crashing of a hard drive stopping my addicition and keeping me from leveling..

Re:not so surprised... (1)

gabec (538140) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558516)

WTS 60 Rogue, Priest, Warrior; twink mage........ With Burning Crusade Closed Beta Access. =D

PST with offers. ^_^

Re:not so surprised... (1)

DorianBrytestar (1013219) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558538)

Pfft, no NE hunter? Worthless.

Re:not so surprised... (4, Informative)

muffen (321442) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558312)

The game is constantly made easier so that "catching up" is always possible, the hard part is to get the last few items you need.
Anyone who's been in a guild in WoW should know how long it took to run through BWL for example say 8 - 12 months ago compared to now. Not sure how the american servers are doing right now but on the EU servers there has been a big dropoff from the larger guilds. Blizzard _needs_ this expansion or I think they will start loosing a lot of subscribers.
Alot of it is their own fault, they are saying blue items in BC are better than epic items pre-BC, thereby removing the need to obtain the high-end raiding items at the moment. Looking at the amount of time you need to invest to get any decent raiding-items, you are simply better off getting to level 60 before BC comes, and the levelling up with your guild/friends.

Personally I cancelled my accounts, simply because I got bored.

Re:not so surprised... (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558656)

They have to make it easier and easier over time, or nobody will come and start anew, knowing that they will never ever catch up and reach that supersezzy new content. They'd rather turn to some other MMORPG (it's not like there's only one medieval-styled MMORPG on the market...).

I know how much this sucks, and it drove me away from other MMORPGs in the past. Personally I'd be very happy with a more or less "stable" universe, with the occasional new content to keep people entertained. Hell, with good PvP you can even reach that goal by redesigning the PvP areas every now and then, without the need to actually generate a ton of new content!

What really ticks me off in "modern" MMORPGs is the carebear attitude towards the players. Why don't they just hand out everything to everyone?

Re:not so surprised... (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558320)

GO and kill the wild boars in the forest.
By my reckoning, you can gain the required 38 levels after only 4796.5 hours of constant killing.

Re:not so surprised... (1)

theelectron (973857) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558430)

Now that sir, was indeed hilarious. Oh, how I wish I had some mod points.

Thank you Blizzard (5, Funny)

Majik Sheff (930627) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558226)

Thank you for moving the release of this product until after Christmas. By doing so you have enabled my long lost WoW addicted relatives to make a meaningful appearance during the holiday season. There are few things more frustrating than having 2 people ask at the dinner table if they can use your computer.

Re:not so surprised... (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558316)

Yeah, I can't say I'm disappointed about this either. I've only been playing for about a year with just one lvl 60. I play a few hours most evenings, my guild is planning on clearing MC for the first time next week. That means I'm actually getting some new gear that I'd like to enjoy for awhile before it instantly becomes obsolete (like my epic hunter bow I hope to finish tonight).

The best thing about BC is the 25 man raid cap for instances. More casual guilds on lower population servers will finally have a chance to do more than ZG.

Make Love, Not Warcraft (1)

Mr Pippin (659094) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558506)

Perhaps they need a little time to add in some obligatory "South Park" references for the episode that referenced WoW.
To bad the "Sword of a Thousand Truths" probably won't be one of them, other than a mythical weapon that can never be obtained.

Re:Make Love, Not Warcraft (3, Informative)

gabec (538140) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558628)

Sword of 1000 Truths [ucsb.edu] . No doubt when South Park talked to Blizzard to get permission for the episode they worked together to get the content to coincide with upcoming items (or just simply created them because of the episode).

First Post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558010)

Wow sucks :(

Re:First Post (1)

Luctius (931144) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558114)

no it is, wow, THAT sucks...

Some will wander (1)

galonso (705202) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558020)

As a WoW player, I know many players who have hanging on "til BC is out." I suspect many of those folks will leave the game until the expansion is released, but I do not think it will be a large enough number to matter in the scheme of things.

It should come as no shock for those who know Blizz that BC is delayed though!

Re:Some will wander (1)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558222)

Thats pretty interesting, I got Guild Wars because of the free online subscription but didnt get the expansion pack. either the hardcore gamers will move to BC or stop playing because all the action is in the expansion pack and they dont have it. Personally I would love a Universe Of Starcraft. But they might be too late for start craft as there another mmorpg in space space. http://www.fl-tw.com/Infinity/ [fl-tw.com]

Oh Well... (5, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558026)

I guess teenage "Thrombo The Orcslayer" will need to sheath his "Daemon Warblade" and come down from his bedroom over Christmas and join mum, dad and Auntie Flo for a family game of Monopoly this year then.

Re:Oh Well... (-1, Offtopic)

Ignignot (782335) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558458)

The racecar is imba! I want to know what MB is doing about it! I've paid good money for this game and I am a customer and I need a blue response!!!

No but just kidding guys I loev you and I think your game is great but please just give me an answer because I want to know if I should reroll tophat for more boardwalk raids... ^_^

Re:Oh Well... (-1, Offtopic)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558666)

"Hey! Gronk, Shnazzbit and the rest of you guys! Come here! I've an idea... How about we take that £10 that Fangtooth won in the beauty contest and go on a daylight hotel-building raid on Leicester Square.."

Re:Oh Well... (-1, Offtopic)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558602)

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Re:Oh Well... (1)

Vraylle (610820) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558910)

Gaaaaaahhhh! My head just exploded out of agitation.

In related news... (5, Funny)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558040)

...sociologists predict many more marriages will now survive the Christmas season.

Re:In related news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558238)

but most of them won't celebrate Valentine's day.

I'm just thinking about it, a WoW exp. would be a nice present to offer for Valentine's if you want to get rid of an annoying girl/boyfriend :)

Re:In related news... (1, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558428)

You know, they should use WoW as a new treatment for meth addiction. Sure, they would still neglect their kids, but at least they would gain some weight.

-Eric

Re:In related news... (1)

Alcari (1017246) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558904)

In related news, sales of christmas diners skyrocket

Excellent! (1)

DanielNS84 (847393) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558072)

I may be the only person on the planet crazy enough to view delays in games to be a good thing...as long as we aren't talking Duke Nukem : Forever or Daikatana delays I see it as another bug has been caught, or someone has thought of more content to add to it, or the gameplay/story is being refined. It looks even better to me when this happens during a beta, as this means they have a finished product that works, but feedback from the beta is affecting changes in the game itself. Hopefully in January (even though I don't play WoW) this expansion will hit the market and blow people away. Just because a game is great doesn't mean an expansion can't totally redefine it (CS anyone?).

Ad infinitum? (5, Insightful)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558082)

I knew it, Blizzard has no plans whatsoever to make games anymore. As long as WoW is played, Blizzard are not developers, they are simply maintainers. Don't take this the wrong way though, would you or I honestly continue to make new games if we're constantly making billions on one game?

Re:Ad infinitum? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558170)

Considering the fact that it's confirmed that they have an unannounced project , it can't be true .

And every game they produced since Warcaft:orcs and humans has been a masterpiece , they take great pride and joy in making these games .

Re:Ad infinitum? (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558440)

and since WoW they canned one game and haven't announced any others when typically they've released at least one game every year (all of them, like you said, masterpieces, I won't deny that) and have about 1600 employees? I know that games are getting harder and more expensive to make these days, but how many employees does it take to maintain WoW? Surely they've had enough employees to finish a project or two up since 2004.

Re:Ad infinitum? (1)

teflaime (738532) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558596)

Obviously, when you have an incompetent like Tigole in charge, it takes 1600 employees to maintain WoW. Otherwise, Starcraft: Ghost would be out by now.

Re:Ad infinitum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558848)

> and since WoW they canned one game and haven't announced any others when typically they've
> released at least one game every year

Yep. And what is really sad is that there are people like me that they wouldn't even have to try to impress. If they released Diablo 3 in 800x600 on the D2 game engine I'd buy it. The day that it came out. And there are a LOT of people like me, but we don't even get scraps. It's WOW or nothing now. :(

Re:Ad infinitum? (3, Informative)

Compulsion (734114) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558632)

A confirmed, unannounced game? "Yeah, we're DEFINITELY working on SOMETHING..."

Let's look at Blizzard's history:
# The Lost Vikings (1992)
# Rock & Roll Racing (1993)
# Blackthorne (1994)
# The Death and Return of Superman (1994)
# Warcraft (1994)
# The Lost Vikings II (1995)
# Warcraft II (1995)
# Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal (1996)
# Diablo (1996)
# StarCraft (1998)
# StarCraft: Brood War (1998)
# Diablo II (2000)
# Diablo II: Lord of Destruction (2001)
# Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (2002)
# Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (2003)
# World of Warcraft (2004)
# World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (2007)

Until WoW, we're seeing a game or expansion (and Blizzard's expansions are usually pretty large) every year, except '97 and '99. And a new franchise or full-fledged sequel every two years.

Since WoW? Two years+ and nothing new, including expansions. Probably not a new game until at least 2008. So we're looking at at least a four year gap between new games from Blizzard. That's half their already-slow (in the gaming industry, at least) output.

Blizzard is one of the solid-gold gaming companies out there. They're tied up making mmorpgs (ok..and cash, hand-over-fist) instead of making games I want to play. C'mon, where's Diablo 3? Where's the new, exciting property? I know there are only so many talented designers out there, and they're tied up feeding the cash cow. But take a few of them off WoW and put them on something the rest of us want to play.

--Compulsion

Re:Ad infinitum? (1)

iknowcss (937215) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558176)

I guess means no StarCraft 2. Should I be sad that I don't get to play a cool new version or happy that StarCraft n00bs won't rant about their 'sploits all day long? I can't decide.

Re:Ad infinitum? (1, Funny)

Man in Spandex (775950) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558184)

would you or I honestly continue to make new games if we're constantly making billions on one game? Of course I would! Why make billions when we could make....... millions? *raise pinky* If they want more money, they'll make sequels to Starcraft and Diablo 2..

Re:Ad infinitum? (3, Informative)

gsslay (807818) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558220)

I knew it, Blizzard has no plans whatsoever to make games anymore. As long as WoW is played, Blizzard are not developers, they are simply maintainers.

And what's the problem with this? If you like WoW, aren't bored with it, then the news that Blizzard plan to keep updating it is good news.

And if want to try another game, there are other companies eager for your custom.

Re:Ad infinitum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558400)

The problem with this is that some of us (if not many of us) enjoy Blizzard's other franchises much more than Warcraft. I'd be happier if a Diablo based MMO was out instead.

Although I'm not convinced that Blizzard as a whole can't do more than just WoW at any given time... what happened to Blizzard North?

Re:Ad infinitum? (4, Informative)

muffen (321442) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558224)

Blizzard went down the drain when Vivendi bought them. A bunch of good developers left during the "vivendi taking over" phase, so my guess is that we will see the "blizz-like" games coming from other places and not blizzard themselves.

From Wikipedia:
A significant number of key employees have left Blizzard over the years. Many of these have gone to create gaming companies of their own. Some of these companies are:
* Flagship Studios[2], currently working on Hellgate London.[3]
* ArenaNet[4], creator of Guild Wars.[5]
* Ready At Dawn Studios[6], creator of Daxter.
* Red 5 Studios[7], currently working on a yet to be announced next-gen title.
* Castaway Entertainment[8], currently working on a yet to be announced next-gen title.
* Hyboreal Games[9], Working on a yet to be announced next-gen title.[10]

Notice the part where it says "A significant number of key employees"!

Re:Ad infinitum? (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558532)

So what you're saying is that Blizzard are stalling significant development until they have enough talent to continue developing quality titles instead of going for the classic EA style murder by numbers?

Re:Ad infinitum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558902)

Blizzard went down the drain when Vivendi bought them.

So producing world of warcraft = going down the drain? They produced great games before, and they've produced great games since. Regardless of whether or not you play the game, its impossible to argue against it being anything apart from a raging success beyond the scope of any other mmorpg in history. If that's a failure in your eyes, then what constitutes a success?

Blizzard has always taken their time in games, and anyone with any memory of the past decade can attest to that. Why is everyone so concerned now? Diablo 2 was released in 2000, and was in development so long that it originally only supported 640x480 with no hardware acceleration whatsoever. They changed their minds a few years into development but at the time they started it wasn't a far fetched proposition.

Re:Ad infinitum? (1)

muffen (321442) | more than 7 years ago | (#16559044)

Blizzard went down the drain when Vivendi bought them. So producing world of warcraft = going down the drain? They produced great games before, and they've produced great games since. Regardless of whether or not you play the game, its impossible to argue against it being anything apart from a raging success beyond the scope of any other mmorpg in history. If that's a failure in your eyes, then what constitutes a success?
Was wondering if someone would bring this up but then I thought that anyone wanting to put forward the "WoW = going down the drain?" argument would actually check when in time Blizz announced WoW, and when Vivendi took over Blizzard (and ofcourse you can assume the game had been on the drawingboard prior to announcing it).

Now that you (hopefully) know that WoW was announced PRIOR to Vivendi taking over blizzard, I must ask you, what good has come from Blizzard since Vivendi took them over? I believe (this obviously is just my opinion) that WoW would have been a better game had Vivendi not bought Blizzard.

I stick to my original comment where I said that Blizzard is going down the drain since Vivendi took them over, and the types of games that we remember from Blizzard will be coming from other companies with former Blizzard employees.

Sheesh, calm down... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558090)

While disappointing now, what will this mean for the yearly WoW expansions long term? As Blizzard COO Paul Sams revealed plans in August that 'Starting with The Burning Crusade, every year thereafter we plan on bringing out a new expansion set.' 2008, 2009, ad infinitum?"

It means it's a few weeks or even months late, which will immediately be forgiven if it's a quaility product (as opposed to years of ill will if it's buggy and flawed.)

As for the long term plans... I don't imagine it takes exactly one year from the completion of the first expansion to the completion of the next. Anyway, plans are just that... Plans. If they realized they need a little more time it's best they take it because millions of rabid WOW fans will scream bloody murder if they don't get it right.

Cashing In (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558094)

Am I the only one that sees this as an attempt to cash in more revenue by creating yearly expansions with new content instead of patching the game with new content which is covered by the cost of subscriptions? I'm already paying $15/mo dollars to play the game, then I'd have to pay another $40/year (God knows they'll have an 'Art Book' and a pet for the special edition, and charge another $20-$30 on top of that)to make sure I'm getting all the content in game.

Re:Cashing In (5, Insightful)

mhazen (144368) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558218)

You must be new to the MMO business model. That's standard practice in the MMO business.

Your claim is sort of like saying that just because you paid for WindowsXP you should have free access to every new piece of software Microsoft releases, because by god, you already PAID for Windows.

If you don't want to pay for the expansion, you can keep playing WoW all you like without the expansion pack. If the subscription fee is an issue for you, you can always play an offline RPG. There's nothing untoward about a company charging for the thousands of hours of dev time and expense to offer (what sounds like) a significant expansion, though.

Re:Cashing In (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558586)

Yes it is standard practice and might actually be the most lucrative way for Blizzard. But that does not mean everyone has to accept it.

To extend your analogy, if I had paid for buying XP plus a monthly fee for usage, I might also get the idea that upgrades should be included in the price.

And there are companies that work differently:
-Arena Net's Guild Wars costs money to buy but no monthly subscriptions
-EVE Online costs only a monthly subscription, updates are included (OK, it is a bit more expensive per month)

Re:Cashing In (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558690)

Arena Net's Guild Wars costs money to buy but no monthly subscriptions

Guildwars is compirable to Diablo 2, which also cost money to buy, no monthly subscriptions. Not really a MMO in the truest sense.

EVE Online costs only a monthly subscription, updates are included (OK, it is a bit more expensive per month)

Looks like you answered your own question.

Re:Cashing In (1)

DeQuincey (221531) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558962)

Yah, but the thing is that both of those examples are lighter on the content side.

GW is basically an MMO for FPS fans; easy to pick up and play for short periods of time. Meanwhile, EVE relies heavily on player created 'content.'

I like both games, but neither has as much content as the traditional MMO; which WoW certainly tries to be.

BTW, EVE's fee is $15/month. (Same as WoW.)

Re:Cashing In (1)

le0p (932717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16559016)

If you don't want to pay for the expansion, you can keep playing WoW all you like without the expansion pack.

I'm not familiar with this expansion because I don't play WoW but I know they are raising the level cap and unless they provide a way for current players to reach the new cap without the expansion, then it is absolutely mandatory. How long would you play if you could only ever be 10 levels behind everyone else?

Re:Cashing In (1)

DeQuincey (221531) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558326)

Seeing as they were criticized for taking so long to bring out an expansion, while continuing to add content to the game, I'd have to say that you're the only one. I guess only time will tell.

Re:Cashing In (1)

muffen (321442) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558418)

You haven't played any other MMO then WoW have you?

This is how it works, infact, Blizzard are fairly slow with creating expansions compared to EA and SOE, and they all charge for the expansion. You know you always have the choice not to buy the expansion and keep playing the way you have.

Re:Cashing In (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558590)

Yes, sure, you have the theoretical choice of not buying the expansion. And play alone.

Everyone and their dog, at least the players that tend to play it "seriously" will get the expansion. Now, I'd be very surprised if that didn't also mean that the expansion items outrank the standard items by miles, in terms of stats. At least it would be the very first expansion that didn't.

Not buying the expansion usually means in an MMORPG that you're dropping out of the loop. Peer pressure is high to get it, since all of your friends are going to get it. Add the social stigma of not buying it (yes, I know we're talking a game here, and that said "stigma" is very virtual. If you noticed it, grats, you still have a life) and people looking down on you for not having that new tool or gadget, and you just know that everyone will buy it, at least if they're playing "seriously".

Add on top of it that there will be little to no new content for the "basic" game added after the expansion comes out and you're basically stumped if you don't get it.

So, technically, you have to buy it or drop the game altogether in the long run.

Not really (2, Interesting)

everphilski (877346) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558758)

I'm a long time EQ player and I only have half the expansions. I got in on most of the betas (or a friend did) and if I didn't like where it was going, I didn't purchase it. Simple as that. If you don't have the balls to hang on to your $30 over a game you don't need then you have problems. Not getting a new expansion doesn't stop you from doing what you were already doing.

Does it even matter that you have to pay for it? (1)

Dorkmaster Flek (1013045) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558766)

As long as the subscription fee stays the same regardless of whether you buy the expansion or not (and it does in every MMO I've ever seen), is the fact that you have to pay for it once even an issue? You spend way more money on monthly fees than you do on actually buying the game in the first place. That's where they make their money. You all know this as the razor/blades strategy: sell the razor cheap and make money selling the blades. The video game industry has been doing this since the glory days of Atari. Of course, this becomes a bigger issue if they're releasing, say, multiple expansion packs per year, but come on. This is Blizzard we're talking about! It may take 2 years to get an expansion, but at least it's a very significant upgrade.

enh... (1)

sdaemon (25357) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558098)

So I, as a casual player, will have to wait a few extra months before I can get crappy greens that are better than the best Naxx gear. On the other hand, I can keep on rep grinding and maybe hit exalted with warsong/arathi before they screw over the rep rewards system...which they may or may not do, depending on which forum posts you believe.

This game feels like work. If only work didn't feel like work, too...

2008, 2009, ad infinitum? (3, Insightful)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558100)

Sure, as long as the players will pay for it.
From an economic point of view, Blizzard would be crazy not to milk WOW for as much money as possible. And economic points of view are important to corporations ;-)

Of course (and half off topic), it would be smart to use some of that money and invest in something new, because at some point people will get tired of WOW.

Re:2008, 2009, ad infinitum? (1)

Chaffar (670874) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558434)

it would be smart to use some of that money and invest in something new, because at some point people will get tired of WOW.
FYI, some people still play Quake II online... hell, some people still play Quake online. If their dedicated fanbase is large enough to warrant expansions every year or so, then good for them, there's a fixed source of income for you :)
Besides I'm pretty sure they're working on "new" projects, like WoW 2, Warcraft IV, Diablo III, and Starcraft something,. Now all that's missing is a sequel to The Lost Vikings :D

Re:2008, 2009, ad infinitum? (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558720)

Oh, I'm sure WOW will take long to fade to the point where it has to close down because subscriptions don't pay for maintenance anymore. Some time after 2010, I guess.
But the numbers of players will shrink. And unless Blizz wants to shrink with them and become a minor player in the market, they better think about a replacement for WOW now.

Re:2008, 2009, ad infinitum? (2, Insightful)

matt328 (916281) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558462)

Of course (and half off topic), it would be smart to use some of that money and invest in something new, because at some point people will get tired of WOW.

That's actually the first thing I thought when I read this. Who says WoW will even be around in 2009? Games like this are a fad. In a few years they'll be made fun of alongside facebook and myspace on I love the 00s on VH1. I can see that boring deadpan guy talking about it already.

"Yeah I remember WoW. It was this game that you just played and played and played. You played for thousands of hours only to realize the only thing to do was play some more. Nothing got in the way of WoW. Wife bugging you? You divorced her. Boss keeps calling because you missed work, you quit your job. What was I supposed to do? My friends' characters were going to die. I saved their lives."

Re:2008, 2009, ad infinitum? (1)

whoop (194) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558752)

Everquest is still having expansions. There are what, a dozen or so? As long as people are playing, they will make expansions and maintain the game. Infinitum or no $$, whichever comes first.

I am NOT addicted. (2, Funny)

mhazen (144368) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558126)

I'm not addicted, I'm a level 51 dwarven priest.

Re:I am NOT addicted. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558204)

I'm less addicted, and i'm a level 59 dwarf priest!

Re:I am NOT addicted. (2, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558310)

And I'm an AD&D player - dwarves can't be priests.

Re:I am NOT addicted. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558372)

Then you should sue the church for ethnic discrimination.

Re:I am NOT addicted. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558294)

Noob

Re:I am NOT addicted. (1)

Boreras (1000123) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558482)

no you're a lvl 1 troll

Re:I am NOT addicted. (1)

Aethedor (973725) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558770)

I'm also not addicted, but my player is. Uh, I mean, my character is... no... wait... I'm a level 60 human mage... MY CHARACTER is a level 60 human mage and I AM addicted... no, my character is... AARGH! I NEED HELP!!! ... to level my 12 other characters of course....

Christmas dinner (2, Funny)

strike_svl (619216) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558128)

Does this mean that millions of people will be able to attend the Christmas family dinner after all... ?

Re:Christmas dinner (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558508)

Airlines all over the country rejoice, as they can see people actually buying tickets to visit their relatives instead of finding some cheap excuse, stay at home and play.

Re:Christmas dinner (4, Funny)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558566)

Millions of additional turkeys/goose will now lose their lives thanks to Blizzard's incompetence.

PETA is going to open a can of whoopass.

Warcraft is the favorite son (2, Insightful)

Meatloaf Surprise (1017210) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558246)

WoW players should feel lucky that the expansion pack was only pushed back until 2007 and not indefinitely like every starcraft project...

That's no good! (1, Offtopic)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558266)

A WoW burning crusade?? What good would that do? No matter how many copies you burn, you still need software keys and accounts and stuff to get them to work. It's not like 1990s warez, you know!

Re:That's no good! (2, Funny)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558652)

I misunderstood the title too! It's just that I thought some group of WoW widows were trying for some big bonfire of WoW CDs. That's kinda sad for a /. reader, instinctively taking "burning" literally.

Re:That's no good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558722)

Oh come on this is funny... this guy deserves a little +1 funny action.

For those of you who didn't get it... burning crusade... like burning cds... hello!

QQ more NUBZ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558286)

LRN2PLY NUBS QQ MORE ZOMG

ZOMG! (1)

(trb001) (224998) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558318)

n00bz.

Seriously, this is probably a good thing. I'm surprised how *little* downtime WoW has considering its size and population, but I can't imagine how difficult modifying the codebase for all the changes TBC includes will be. Let them get it right the first time.

--trb

Re:ZOMG! (1)

SkunkPussy (85271) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558466)

There is shed loads of down time. On my server, There is often lag or lagspikes (unacceptable when a spell cast promptly means the difference between life and death), queues to get into the server, various server reboots with little or no warning at arbitrary times, periodic kicks from the server, and from time to time, the server doesn't come back up from the weekly maintenance for a day or two.

With blizzard earning at least 1 billion/year from subscriptions, this performance is absolutely unacceptable when someone like google can provide such an ultra reliable service (for me google's been unavailable twice in 5 years).

Still, I continue to subscribe to the world of warcrack.

Re:ZOMG! (1)

whoop (194) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558800)

Don't forget the 8-12 hours every WEEK (Tuesdays). That's on a good week, when there are no content patches. It can go higher with the patch-to-patch-the-bad-patch when they are making game changes.

Re:ZOMG! (1)

(trb001) (224998) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558814)

There is often lag or lagspikes (unacceptable when a spell cast promptly means the difference between life and death)

This isn't necessarily Blizzard's fault. For instance, last night we were in ZG and our MT and his wife DC'd from 6000+ latency. The rest of us were sitting comfortably at 200ish latency. Lag spikes are often a result of problems in internet connectivity between a section of the country and your server, NOT the entire server. That's not to say that server lag spikes don't exist, just that they aren't always Blizzard's fault.

various server reboots with little or no warning at arbitrary times

I have only seen this happen on Scarlet Crusade the day or two after a patch when they needed to hotfix something (poisons removing enchants, etc).

the server doesn't come back up from the weekly maintenance for a day or two

While I don't know what server you're on, SC had this happen once in the year I've been playing, and that was for a hardware upgrade, which I consider standard maintenance and am happy to wait for.

this performance is absolutely unacceptable when someone like google can provide such an ultra reliable service

*blink* *blink* You're comparing Google and WoW? That's a bit lopsided; Google is basically a database and a web interface, albeit an incredibly advanced one. WoW is so much more complex, considering the code development required to take interactivity into consideration, that I don't think they're even in the same ballpark for technology comparisons. But if you're basing the most popular MMO of all time's performance/availability with the most popular website's, you're probably going to be disappointed from here on out.

--trb

I'm not sure why this is"ad infinitum" (2, Insightful)

Benanov (583592) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558338)

I don't understand how this is so 'new' to everyone. EverQuest has something like 11 expansions now for it; previous MMO games also had expansions. But apparently, when Blizzard does it, it's novel or something.

All of the EQ expansions cost 30 USD or so when they first came out; there have been roll-up packs for those who were behind the curve.

I quit after the 6th (when Gates of Discord came out; my machine couldn't handle it and I was tiring of the game.) I haven't looked back. I've since switched to Ubuntu, and it helps me resist the rare urge to go back.

Re:I'm not sure why this is"ad infinitum" (1)

Taeolas (523275) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558826)

12 now actually (as of midSeptember), with the Dev's having confirmed that preparation work for #13 and #14 are in the works. Your points still stand otherwise. :)

Re:I'm not sure why this is"ad infinitum" (1)

whoop (194) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558880)

WoW plays just fine with the stock Wine source (no transgaming thing or anything extra). In fact, I was pulling more FPS on Linux than my Windows machine.

So there, now you can get addicted...

Well (3, Insightful)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558354)

On one hand they are foolhardy for doing this, on the other it is a brave decision to improve the game. Almost every shop around here is full of WoW stuff leading up to christmas - the 15 day trial packs are literally flying off shelves which shows they will have more than enough new players getting the game for christmas and joining in. However there would have been a huge upsell market for the Burning Crusade pack if it was released in time for Christmas, granted most people who play Warcraft will eventually pick it up but Christmas would have been a perfect time for Blizzard to cash in on both new gamers and existing players.

However, by choosing to delay it they have put the playability of the game over the profit they could make by throwing it out there and just continually patching it up to standard (cough, Gothic 3, EA, cough). I'm quite happy to see a game studio finally taking the time to make a game good before cashing in on it, instead of throwing out whatever they have done to make the sales that will occur anyway. I just have to wonder whether this will be the last delay we will see for Burning Crusade, or whether more lay in wait in development hell.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558794)

Oh, come on, do you really believe this is related only to game polishing? It couldn't be a research telling them Burning Crusade would actually sell more in January, having the spotlight just for them, no wii or ps3 launch to share the attention? I doubt there is no marketing related factor around this decision.

Re:Well (1)

Thaelon (250687) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558978)

They have 7 milllion customers eagerly waiting to buy the expansion. They don't need the christmas rush.

Second thoughts about UI restriction? (2, Informative)

StreetStealth (980200) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558368)

I think there's a popular hope out there that perhaps this delay is brought about by uncertainty on Blizzard's part regarding the new UI restriction. Do a Google search for "WoW UI nerf" and you'll find huge, endless threads in which about five sixths of people (and about 95% of healers) rail against new restrictions in the scripting system that will break numerous existing addons, requiring raiding healers to multiply their mouse mileage during raids by orders of magnitude. Now I'm a casual player (10 months and counting to 60...), so this doesn't affect me that severely, but I'm still playing a priest. While I was uncertain whether I'd ever get into raiding before...I think would clinch it.

Re:Second thoughts about UI restriction? (1)

DorianBrytestar (1013219) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558624)

Yes, they are taking away the ability (for healers especially) to raid by watching TV and hitting one button over and over again never even really looking at the actual game screen. Boo hoo. PS, please do not make up numbers (5/6ths of people, 95% of healers)

do7l (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558380)

incOmpati3ilities

Ok, so I had to do it... (1)

Dohmar (1017428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558512)

LF39M for PUG @ Bliz offices... Good drops, outstanding dkp, no attunement required. Cmon people. Lets get some! -D TV @ Khaz FTW

This morning, I felt... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16558584)

a great disturbance on my server, as if millions of gamers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

Tuesday resets are the best time to post bad news, I guess.

More curious (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558644)

is how this change in release dates will affect the release dates of other MMORPGs?

By pushing back to January this could allow another MMORPG or two some vital time to get in during the holiday crush and make a good impression. Pushing back also treads on some Q1 predicted releases as well, would they move forward or back to avoid Blizzard? (LOTR may still be on path for Q1 release)

Regardless WOW didn't get where it is by allowing crap to get out. If anything the time invested shows, both to the players and owners in Blizzard (stock or otherwise).

Re:More curious (1)

Zephida (1016417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16559088)

Another cosideration, what games will people be buynig for Christmas? I had plans to forgo any other purchases, and save my cash and time for Burning Crusade. With the delay of Burning Crusade to early 2007, the new releases of Total War, NeverWinter nights, StrongHold:Legends (just to name a few) will probably get a few more buyers than usual, and more time dedicated to them. Blizzards failure is good news for the rest of the PC Games industry. As for TBC, I'm happy to wait. Would much prefer a non-buggy balance expansion pack, than a unfinished product, that causes massive server delays, and weekly patch downloads

Oh noes! (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558704)

I was saving vacation days for this year!

God damn it, I'm so mad I could go outside.

All I can say is... (1)

kirk26 (811030) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558750)

WoW!

Again? (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558842)

Damn you Sony. Can't you get your act together and release something on time?

Oh, wait... nm

I felt... (4, Funny)

CaseM (746707) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558852)

I felt a great disturbance in Azeroth, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror...and went RIGHT back to raiding again.

MMORPG expansions are no trivial matters (2, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558896)

Expansions can make a game gone stale get great again. They can, though, also forever ruin a game never to be resurrected again. So Blizzard will definitly make certain that whatever this expansion brings won't cause too much of a ripple in the universe of WoW. After all, it still goes strong, so far the players aren't fleeing in large numbers, and the worst thing a very bad expansion can do is to make them do just that.

Game balance is the biggest issue an expansion has to solve before it may enter a game. Because one thing's certain: Once it's there, you can't make it leave again. An expansion is here, and it's here to stay. Mythic with DAoC was the only company that ever pulled a stunt and unplugged one of their expansions after a lot of complaints and many people leaving or in the process of leaving, and even they only did it by introducing new servers.

So the delay may very well be not a technical problem, be it stability or bug-freeness. My bet would be on balance. You can make or break balance very, very easily with an expansion that often not only introduces new items but also new classes. Classes are maybe the most difficult part of the balancing process in a game. New classes must first of all be that: new. You can't simply recycle some styles and gadgets from old classes and just give it new names, or people will complain. And that new spiffy thingamajigs you give them have to be in check and balanced, not only against the world but also against the other classes for PvP. They must not level faster than the old classes, they must not be stronger in solo fights (and neither must they be weaker), they must not even provide more "group value" than other classes, and of course they may not "replace" an existing class.

Now do that if you can.

Balancing is a very, very difficult task for expansion packs. And, honestly, if I played WoW, I'd rather give them 6 more months and have it done right than demanding it out now and having it break everything there is.

Anyone see this coming? (1)

D2!R2 (1011729) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558954)

Seriously, anyone? I called it when I prepayed for the game. Blizzard delays every game they put out. Heck, warcraft 3 was delayed for about a year and diablo 2 expansion was horrificly delayed itself. I wouldn't be surprised if blizzard doesn't release the WoW expansion until the summer.

Diablo 3.. (1)

edgeman2112 (1017448) | more than 7 years ago | (#16558986)

Kind of off topic, but personally I think Blizzard screwed up their own franchises by marrying the two: they took what's great about Diablo 2 (random items, unique items, groups, dungeon crawling, leveling) and married it with the Warcraft universe. It makes me wonder what they have in store for the Diablo franchise and how it will be different from WoW.. Don't get me wrong, I love both games. I just fear for Diablo.

Just Reopened My Account (1)

PaulMorel (962396) | more than 7 years ago | (#16559094)

Damnit! I just reopened my account last week, to start gearing up for the expansion. I even started a new alt! My first priest! Oh well, they're losing me until January!

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