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Red vs. Blue Makes Green

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the big-buck-buck-bucks dept.

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Allen Varney writes in this week's edition of The Escapist about the beauty of Rooster Teeth's machinima, why Red vs. Blue is as good as it is, and why there is money to be made in this burgeoning art form. From the article: "Often, by the time we hear of fortunes being made in a new way, it's already too late to get in. But in machinima, the barrier to entry remains absurdly low, the need for professionalism desperate. If you're funny or interesting, can voice-act well, and produce reliably over the medium term - and you don't quit - there's absolutely nothing blocking you from success." I'm rather fond of some of the supremely odd Machinima based in World of Warcraft - such as Illegal Danish -Super Snacks or the Switcher videos. Any machinima you'd like to recommend to your fellow users?

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Not exactly machinima but (3, Interesting)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#16585808)

Concerned [hlcomic.com] is really awesome.

Re:Not exactly machinima but (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586392)

Shame its just about to finish.

Buddha mode off...

Re:Not exactly machinima but (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586472)

Indeed. Hopefully he'll come up with some other idea(but not Episode One because he has repeatedly said he's not doing Episode One--something Portal-based perhaps?) and he'll start another comic.

Re:Not exactly machinima but (1)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586710)

Oh god, portals is just ripe for his humor... Hehe.

Oh its about games (5, Funny)

mnmn (145599) | more than 7 years ago | (#16585880)

I thought it meant when you leave communists by themselves they will get seasick.

Schlashdøt really is appealing to the nerds (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16585882)

How many stories involving WoFW do we have to have every day?

Yet where are the interesting technical articles? The geeky stuff?

No, it's all nerd this, nerd that, stupid nerd another. Sheesh. Stop rejecting the technical submissions because you don't understand them!

Copyright issues? (4, Interesting)

Flentil (765056) | more than 7 years ago | (#16585916)

Can anyone explain the copyright barriers that might be involved in making a movie using a game engine and game characters like they've done? Unless it's a parody of said game, I don't think it comes under fair use and could be copyright infringement. Or am I missing something?

Re:Copyright issues? (5, Informative)

MuNansen (833037) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586042)

I'll give the cliffs:

- Game companies don't care if you make the machinima..heck, it's even free advertising for them.

- Some productions, like Tra5hta1k by the ILL Clan, use cheap engines (Torque) that you can afford to buy the rights

- Red vs. Blue was found by Bungie, and they arranged for Rooster Teeth to get the rights to their product, so they can sell t-shirts, DVDs, etc. This so far is a unique case. Other Halo machinimas have been turned down by M$, most likely thanks to the upcoming movie.

- Most machinima can't make money directly, but there's an increasing potential for careers in the industry. Recently both Blizzard and BioWare have hired from the machinima community (I'm one of the hires ;P), and I imagine there will be more. Companies have also gone to machinima producers to create content without joining the company.

Double Cliffs:

- Is it legal to take any game, make machinima out of it, and sell it? NO! Has there been any lawsuits yet? No. Has there been cease/desist requests? Yes, a couple that I know of. Asking the legal questions regarding machinima don't get solid answers because there are no solid answers yet. We're still in its infancy.

Re:Copyright issues? (1)

RM6f9 (825298) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586424)

How would one go about getting voice work in this field? (Where would I send a demo tape or ten?)

Re:Copyright issues? (4, Informative)

MuNansen (833037) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586616)

www.machinima.com

www.mprem.com (Machinima Premiere)

www.sims99.com

www.warcraftmovies.com

These are some of the larger community sites. Or you could try finding productions you like, and contacting the producers themselves. At this stage, machinima is above no one ;)

Re:Copyright issues? (1)

RM6f9 (825298) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586826)

Thank you!

Re:Copyright issues? (1)

GrizlyAdams (999280) | more than 7 years ago | (#16587546)

(Disclaimer: I own the hosting company TSL uses.)

This Spartan Life has been working with Microsoft, and with the recent movie fall through, they will likely secure DVD rights.
I can't comment too much on it since I'm only their hosting provider. Yesterday I had to setup a user account for Microsoft with ftp access to their site so I think thats a good sign.

Re:Copyright issues? (1)

MuNansen (833037) | more than 7 years ago | (#16587880)

That's good news. I haven't talked with Chris in a while, so I'll have to be sure to ask him at the festival.

Re:Copyright issues? (1)

skorch (906936) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592482)

IANAL but I believe there are also some Fair Use protections that allow for you to use copywrited material for purposes of parody, and in some cases satire. A pretty good breakdown of it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Fair_use_and _parody/ [wikipedia.org]

So long as you're using the machinima for comedic purposes, you're usually good. You're safer if you're using it to make fun of the game itself, but so long as the company that owns the product in question isn't particularly letigious you're usually in good shape either way. There's a growing culture of machinima use, and there hasn't been any trouble with it thus far. So I wouldn't be too too worried about the legal ramifications with a whole culture of supporters and Fair Use backing you up.

Re:Copyright issues? (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586726)

IANAL, however I think the key issue here is probably that of "derivitive works".

Case 1: you take a game and use its stock art to create your film. I'm pretty sure you'll get smacked down in court with this method unless you clear it beforehand, or there's some loophole in the game's EULA or something.

Case 2: you take a moddable engine and make all new art, or use capital-f Free art. I think there's less chance of getting sued here, however it's a very grey-looking area, and IANAL, so yeah.

Of course, there are a bunch of engines available under the GPL now (Quake 3, etc), so that would be a good way of doing things.

Machinima Festival Nominees (3, Informative)

MuNansen (833037) | more than 7 years ago | (#16585934)

Here's the nominees for this year's "Mackies," at the Machinima Film Festival in November. Most of the nominees are up on GameVideos.com. I would definitely suggest "Bill et John." http://festival.machinima.org/mackies.html [machinima.org] (Shameless self-plug: My productions got three nominations) http://www.themureview.com/ [themureview.com]

Cut! Print! That's a wrap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16585984)

The interesting thing for machinima is what the increased graphics quality and greater scripting capability of upcoming engines, means for the media. Complain about cutscenes, but they do give a hint were things are headed.

Pwned life (5, Interesting)

Jim Hall (2985) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586070)

I still like Battlefield 2: The Pwned Life [google.com] . :-)

Re:Pwned life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16590270)

That was ridiculously terrific. I don't have mod points right now and you're already at +5, but thanks for the recommendation!

Re:Pwned life (1)

Das Modell (969371) | more than 7 years ago | (#16591078)

That movie is very funny.

As far as machinima goes, I'm stuck in the past. I've barely seen any machinima since Quake. What little I've seen of Red vs. Blue hasn't impressed me all that much.

South Park Machinima (4, Informative)

crotherm (160925) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586154)


South Park did an episode [youtube.com] where they were playing WoW and much of the episode was Machinima. As usual with Matt and Trey, it was great.

A Machinama I Made (1)

jakek812 (958016) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586192)

I made a machinema one, I made it in a game called "The Movies", which I highly recommend as a beginner tool to anyone that wants to make a machinema. You can check it out at http://youtube.com/watch?v=2tHLjnAsYrg [youtube.com] other than that the only machinema I've ever seen that was very good is Red vs Blue, which is absolutely superb, so go watch it if you havn't already.

Teh Internet is 4 PRON (1)

Truman Starr (949802) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586288)

I'm not sure if this counts, since the audio is all taken from Avenue Q, but I've always loved the WoW version of "The Internet is for Porn". http://youtube.com/watch?v=jhTxRssxfuI/ [youtube.com]

-Matt

Just for the record. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16586468)

RED SUCKS!

Re:Just for the record. Blue Can kiss my Ass (1)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 7 years ago | (#16597254)

They can too, and it is light red armor not Pink armor!!!

WoW Machinima (2, Informative)

Artaxs (1002024) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586480)

Illegal Danish was first featured on Xfire's WoW Machinima Contest. The second WoW Machinima contest is just now wrapping up. Winners will be announced friday, but you can see all the finalists here [xfire.com] . We'll be hosting a free event at Stanford University on Thursday evening with a panel of Machinima movie makers including Ezra from Rufus Cubed (who did the Machinima in South Park's WoW episode) and the guys from Myndflame (who did Illegal Danish) will be there as well!
/end shameless plug

Re:WoW Machinima (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16587136)

When you go to that site and try to stream the vids it says login required. Just copy the link, paste it into your browser and change the last character from 1 to 0 and you will not need to login.

Very lame to make someone log in just to view a few finalists vids. I hope this was an accident requiring people to log in to see those. If it was not, then if/when they change it I sure won't be going back to that site. I don't care to create a profile on every website on the internet. Hence the AC post here and having read and posted to /. for many years without getting an account here either.

Re:WoW Machinima (1)

Jesterboy (106813) | more than 7 years ago | (#16617738)

Sorry, this is slightly OT. The videos are pretty good, but the best part is getting around XFire's login requirement: I can't believe they put "loginrequired=1" in a simple GET request! On such a high profile site, that's just horrible.

\o/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16586528)

Say machinima again

does the quake the movie count? (1)

cyrax777 (633996) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586608)

I remember a friend showed me a movie done with quake 1 and this was back in 1999 or so.

Re:does the quake the movie count? (1)

MuNansen (833037) | more than 7 years ago | (#16586980)

I'm sure it does. And if you're referring to "Father Frags Best," then it was made by the guy that did "Male Restroom Etiquette," the current YouTube sensation.

Re:does the quake the movie count? (1)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 7 years ago | (#16588158)

I remember that... there was the "World Premiere" at QuakeCon 1998, I do believe. I think it was something done by the Ranger clan.

Restroom etiquette (1)

franksands (938435) | more than 7 years ago | (#16597448)

I find this [youtube.com] one very good. And educational to boot.

Actually (1)

Tancred (3904) | more than 7 years ago | (#16597780)

Yellow and blue makes green. Red and Blue makes purple.

Re:Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16601910)

- Purple!
- Green!
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