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Ubuntu 6.10 is Out

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the say-ubuntu-ten-times-fast dept.

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cloudmaster writes "Apparently they were watching me to see when I downloaded the 6.10-rc release isos, as I did that last night, and the full release happened this morning. :) Neat stuff, including Firefox 2.0, Gnome 2.16, myth 0.20, faster booting thanks to upstart (sort of a replacement for init, among others), etc. The announcement and download pages are up. I've got *my* torrent running..."

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Your name is Toby! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16592742)

*whip* U-buntu! *whip* U-BUNTU!

Re:Your name is Toby! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16592860)

A a true ass-to-mouth faggot, I found Ubuntu to be tremendously more homosexual than any other Windows-distribution.

Congratulations to comrade Mark "Rimmer" Shuttleworth for blessing the world with this operative system.

Can I (1)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592766)

Can I now dist-upgrade my Ubuntu Dapper to Edgy?

Re:Can I (4, Informative)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592840)

Can I now dist-upgrade my Ubuntu Dapper to Edgy?

I think so, I was going to do (on the command line)

sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

* Go to bed / work *

Which will update my sources list, update the repository and then upgrade. At least, that's what I think it'll do. If anyone has any corrections then let us know.

Re:Can I (2, Informative)

bodger_uk (882864) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592862)

You need to run a second dist-upgrade to update the new usplash. Other than that you should be ok.

Re:Can I (4, Informative)

grazzy (56382) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592938)

Also the documentation recommends running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Thats because if the first command fails you shouldnt run the second for whatever reason.

Ubuntu is the next best thing since sliced bread, and everyone should atleast try it out. I upgraded my 5.10 (no idea how I managed to install that) the other day to 6.06 this way - it went without a hickup. I love ubuntu :P

Re:Can I (4, Interesting)

grazzy (56382) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592970)

A small success story;

The company that I hire my office from has been running redhat for ages, they're getting problems installing their in-house software to the newer versions of redhat because they are using cups instead of the older lp/lpr/lprng systems. Knowing this I started synaptic (the ubuntu package manager), searched for LPRNG with one of the senior guys behind my shoulder. Choosed to install LPRNG, synaptic automaticlly disabled cups and change the appropriate settings. 15 minutes later we were printing useing their sed-scripts from the 80's again.

I think I can safely say that I singlehanded arranged for a bunch of new ubuntu installs with that 20 minutes of my time.

Re:Can I (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593270)

Wow, I bet all the girls are after you now, you hot stud.

Re:Can I (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593276)

I updated Kubuntu from 6.06 yesterday (as detailed in the RC press release) and after rebooting the system stop working (frozen at the end of the boot process).
Should it happen to you, I did this:

1. reset
2. hit ESC when prompted at boot
3. select safe mode from the menu
4. run "startx" on the commnad prompt. KDE should start.
5. Update the system with Adept (system > package manager).
6. reboot.

Everything is fine now.

Re:Can I (1)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592848)

Can I now dist-upgrade my Ubuntu Dapper to Edgy?

Yes, but just like with any operating system, the safest thing to do is a clean install.

Re:Can I (2, Informative)

Klaidas (981300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592870)

The safest thing is not to use a computer :)
Clean install is good if you just play/mess/etc with it, but if you have some nicely configured system you might better want to upgrade it.

Re:Can I (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593202)

Yes, but just like with any operating system, the safest thing to do is a clean install.

I ask this seriously: what OSes have you been using that makes you think a clean install is the only "safe" upgrade? I've never done a reinstall-upgrade on a Debian or FreeBSD box, for example. Not once.

Re:Can I (3, Informative)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593482)

I ask this seriously: what OSes have you been using that makes you think a clean install is the only "safe" upgrade? I've never done a reinstall-upgrade on a Debian or FreeBSD box, for example. Not once.

Well, you often hear people talking about odd problems after upgrading, on the ubuntu forums for example. A clean install fixes things. It's very hard to pin down the relevant issue in such cases, and they seem rare. But still, I prefer to clean-install Ubuntu (as I will do later today for Edgy).

Re:Can I (3, Interesting)

blazerw11 (68928) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593782)

I ask this seriously: what OSes have you been using that makes you think a clean install is the only "safe" upgrade?

I believe that if you upgrade Ubuntu from release to release you'll be fine. However, I didn't do that. I upgraded Dapper to Edgy Knot 2. It worked, but over time as the bug fixes came in, it became difficult for X to start. I often had to power cycle 5 or more times before it worked. I even went so far as to enter a bug in Ubuntu's launchpad for it. Well, I did a clean install of the RC and it's all fixed now. My best guess at the problem is a remnant configuration file or something that didn't get appropriately upgraded or removed in the initial Knot 2 dist-upgrade.

So, in other words, for patient people, you should never have to do a clean install. For us impatient freaks, well, I guess we should know what we're getting into.

On a side note, my crappy Celeron 2.4ghz laptop with an even crappier old Intel graphics chip can run the AIGLX and Beryl Window Manager pretty nicely. Cool (possibly excessive) 3d and transparency FX on a computer that Vista's install program laughs at.

You get what you pay for. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16592770)

If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

Oops, I thought this was another outsourcing article.
OSS is completely different right ?

No, that's not true (3, Funny)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593450)

If you pay peanuts, you get elephants...you only get monkeys if you're willing to shell out some serious banannas. Rabbits can be had if you're willing to come up with the lettuce and, if you've got the cheese, you'll attract the mice - who will scare away the elephants you only paid peanuts for in the first place.

On the other hand, if I need to get rid of an ass, I'll just tie a carrot to a stick and lead him away.

Re:No, that's not true (2, Funny)

tom17 (659054) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593528)

I never saw Bugs eat lettuce.

Not once, never!

Damnit, mods! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593530)

^ Funny ^

Now, make it so.

Easy upgrade from 6.06? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16592780)

Is there a way to upgrade from "Dapper" (6.06) without having to reinstall the entire system? Can apt-get do the job for me?

Thanks.

Re:Easy upgrade from 6.06? (3, Informative)

mbrubeck (73587) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593676)

Here are the official upgrade instructions [ubuntu.com] :
If you want to upgrade from 6.06 LTS to 6.10, run the following command (either via ALT-F2 or a terminal):

gksu "update-manager -c"

The -c switch tells it to look for upgrades at all. By default the 6.06 LTS release will not offer that automatically because of its long support cycle and high stability.

If you have a working network connection, it should then inform you about a new release and offer to upgrade your system.

Easy upgrade from Dapper (5, Informative)

fracai (796392) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592786)

gksudo "update-manager -c"

Re:Easy upgrade from Dapper (4, Informative)

fracai (796392) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592828)

Re:Easy upgrade from Dapper (1)

teslar (706653) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593120)

I wouldn't call

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

after an

sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list

more involved, just more to type... but for those of us who like their consoles, it's easier ;)

Re:Easy upgrade from Dapper (3, Informative)

bodger_uk (882864) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592964)

Also available is kubuntu (for those that like their desktop KDE.

Links to the CDs / Torrents here:
http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php [kubuntu.org]

Automatic update procedure is as follows:
      1.In Konqueror go to /etc/apt, right click on sources.list and choose Actions -> Edit as Root
      2.Change all instances of dapper to edgy
      3.Launch a console with K-Menu -> System -> Konsole
      4.In the console run: sudo apt-get update
      5.In the console run: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and follow the prompts to upgrade
      6.In the console run: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal and follow the prompts to install
      7.Reboot your computer

Re:Easy upgrade from Dapper (2, Informative)

Fweeky (41046) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593262)

If update-manager -c doesn't offer it, try update-manager -dc

GNOME slower after update? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593312)

I just tried updating like that, going from an Ubuntu 6.06 system running GNOME 2.14. But now that I've got GNOME 2.16 installed, I've hit some major performance problems.

The most serious problem is that it now takes 12 to 15 seconds for a new window to open. Even running a GNOME app from an xterm exhibits this problem, so it's not a problem with the GNOME deskbar. Applications like xterm, xedit, and Opera, which do not use GTK+, do not suffer from this problem. They start up almost immediately. Mozilla Seamonkey, on the other hand, also suffers from this long delay, I presume because it is using GTK+.

I need my workstation to actually function, so I have installed KDE, and it's working fine. I think it's significantly more responsive than GNOME 2.14 was. I wish I had time to debug this problem with GNOME 2.16, but I don't. To me, it's just another example of the decreasing quality of the GNOME and GTK+ code. Ever since Miguel left to work on Mono, I've been running into more and more problems. This incident is completely unacceptable, so I think I'm done with GNOME. KDE has really progressed lately, and I think it even now offers me more than GNOME ever did.

Ohhh (0, Troll)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592788)

I've experimented the orgasm of my life! Nothing can be wrong with Linuz, can it be? I'm looking to it through my pink coloured crystal and OHHH Ymbictu is WINDERFILL!!!! Ohhh how I love the perfection of this OS.. Ohhh nothing can be better... Oh my GODDDDDDD can this be true? What a PERFECT thing.... Ohhhh slash dot thank YOUUUUUUU for this news.. This is stuff that matters, yeahhh,, it includes the PERFECT browser with the PERFECT memory consumption tooo... Ohhh my genitals... OHHHH

El Lobo is a fucking wanker (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593244)

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Eft??? (-1, Redundant)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592802)

"Eft?" Isn't that something Frodo travels with in Middle Earth? Was looking forward to names more in the line of "Scabby Sloth" or "Tricky Tapeworm" like their previous releases.

Re:Eft??? (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593124)

so it's a NEWT? (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593382)

Come on now, if we need to use a newt, why not have the name "Gangrenous Gingrich" ?

apt-get dist-upgrade (1)

JeepFanatic (993244) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592804)

Why use the torrent to d/l when you can just "apt-get dist-upgrade"? It's much easier this way (and it's another one of those "features" that Windows won't likely have for a long time).

Re:apt-get dist-upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593052)

Maybe 'cause using the torrent saves the Ubuntu server bandwidth?

Re:apt-get dist-upgrade (4, Insightful)

johansalk (818687) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593190)

It's also nice, once the iso burned, which is a 2 minute job, to have a CD around.

Re:apt-get dist-upgrade (1)

somegeekynick (1011759) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593614)

I'm a first time Linux user, and Ubuntu's been installed for a couple of months alongside XP in my computer. As can be seen at the Ubunut Forums, there is a problem with the internet connection for some Ubuntu users. It(DSL)stays fast, but only for a short time and then it becomes inactive. I don't believe I could let Ubuntu update with such a connection. I hope it gets better with this version. I guess, in some cases, Linux does depend on Windows. :P *Runs and hides*

Awesome! (1)

hurting now (967633) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592806)

Im going to download Ubuntu again! If I would just install it and leave it on a machine, it would auto-update, but I cant seem to ever leave it there. This will be a nice upgrade... now if I would just use the dang thing.

Re:Awesome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593048)

Download the torrent, burn it, install the system, download azureus and seed the torrent. There, you have a use!

PRESS RELEASE HERE (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16592808)


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Re:PRESS RELEASE HERE (1)

146lily (989163) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593466)

Hmm....some very sad people live in this world, a post like this shows a side of humanity which is way lower than your average animal genetically. Never mind we might be able to learn from pigs, dogs, cats....they do seem to be superior to this poster.

Dapper's fine for me, thank you (1)

endemoniada (744727) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592810)

I'll be staying with Dapper for a while, since I value stability and safety over new features. However, hopefully some new bling will make it into backports.

I'm really glad to see that the Ubuntu project is chugging along so nicely. It's really starting to make quite a name for itself :)

Re:Dapper's fine for me, thank you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16592920)

I'll keep the stability of Dapper on my server systems for long term support, but I have to have the bling on the desktop side. ;-)

Every new release I donate some money from my PayPal account to Ubuntu. They are my primary OS of choice, and have been since their first release. There is nothing I can't do with Ubuntu! (Nothing computer oriented I mean.)

Re:Dapper's fine for me, thank you (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592976)

Well, you may be content with it, but I'm always a dupe for new Ubuntu stuff.

Firefox? (3, Funny)

jdavidb (449077) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592836)

It's got Firefox 2.0? I wanted IceWeasel!

Ubuntu Do What Debian [C/W]ouldn't... (5, Informative)

vain gloria (831093) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592842)

I say, here's fun! Official word from Mozilla [typepad.com] on why Ubuntu shipped with Firefox branded Firefox, rather than Iceweasel.

Plaudits to the Ubuntu guys for getting this release out so quickly. Wonder if I should stick with 6.06 and its LTS or upgrade?

Re:Ubuntu Do What Debian [C/W]ouldn't... (1)

tolan-b (230077) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593746)

There do seem to be a number of regressions with Edgy to be honest. I think they cleaned up a lot of them before release, but the release isn't as solid as Dapper. Personally I've been getting quite a few random crashes, but I am running the nVidia beta drivers and Beryl, so I can't necessarily blame that on [...]*firefox crashed here!*(luckily its new session recovery recovered the tabs *and* my half written reply, which is quite impressive)[...]

Main stability issue for me has been FF2.

Shipit change (2, Informative)

cloudkiller (877302) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592884)

I was kind of disappointed that the Shipit process has changed. According to the site you can only get free Ubuntu CDs of 6.06. If you want 6.10, you will have to pay for them. I guess the gravy train has to run out of gravy eventually. Regardless, I still can't wait for the torrent of 6.10 alt install to finish.

Slow News Day *YAWN* (-1, Troll)

Captain0Flash (1016826) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592886)

WTF happened to /. when shit like this hits the front page?! Can someone PLEASE submit some more halloween costumes so we can get some real news circulating?

Re:Slow News Day *YAWN* (1)

Mr. Picklesworth (931427) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593014)

Hey, this only happens once every 6 months!
...And (ridiculous amount of Beta software aside) it's a damn good release, too.

Re:Slow News Day *YAWN* (3, Funny)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593350)

Hey, at least this time we didn't get 8 previous stories "Ubuntu 6.06 releases next week!" "Ubuntu 6.06 releases tomorrow!" "Ubuntu 6.06 releases later todaay!"

We just like... (1)

Jasper__unique_dammi (901401) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593372)

Slashdot readers just like free&open software, the story is just a hurrah for Ubuntu. Hurrah for Ubuntu!

Debian? (5, Insightful)

Klaidas (981300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592896)

Why is there a Debian icon here? Yeah, I know, "ubuntu is based on debian", etc. But if the distro is THAT popular, you might wanna get an icon for Ubuntu too.

Re:Debian? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593136)

I think icons are part of the nostalgia on slashdot. New icons are fashionably absent, just note how many categories still have icons that were officially replaced years ago. Ubuntu is probably far too young (and should probably be over the top so they can speak of the good old days) before it gets its own icon.

Re:Debian? (2, Insightful)

JanneM (7445) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593178)

But if the distro is THAT popular, you might wanna get an icon for Ubuntu too.

Well, slashdot hasn't managed to update to the new Gnome icon for over two years either. The /. art department isn't what you'd call speedy.

No realtime 2.6.18 kernel yet (2, Interesting)

mrjb (547783) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592928)

It runs kernel 2.6.17, which means it does not yet include the realtime patches by Gleixner and Molnar which find their way into the Linux kernel from kernel 2.6.18 on [osnews.com] . To me, this would still mean manually recompiling the kernel, but not for long anymore!

Re:No realtime 2.6.18 kernel yet (2, Interesting)

Directrix1 (157787) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593050)

What exactly do you need realtime support for? Are you going to be running Ubuntu on some embedded device or something, or are you a musician?

Re:No realtime 2.6.18 kernel yet (3, Informative)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593744)

Realtime support should make things better latency wise with audio. Lots of audio specific distros out there will go away once this is mainstreamed.

Re:No realtime 2.6.18 kernel yet (1)

SoapDish (971052) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593250)

Yes, I'd rather have the 2.6.18 kernel in my distribution (like in FC6), than Firefox 2.0. It's a little easier for me to install a web browser than a kernel.

Re:No realtime 2.6.18 kernel yet (3, Interesting)

misleb (129952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593496)

Yes, I'd rather have the 2.6.18 kernel in my distribution (like in FC6), than Firefox 2.0. It's a little easier for me to install a web browser than a kernel.


Unless you can get a package for Firefox 2.0, it isn't necessarily easier to install a browser. More people care about having Firefox 2.0 than a real-time kernel, by far. So you are in the minority.

-matthew

Re:No realtime 2.6.18 kernel yet (1)

SoapDish (971052) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593664)

with a web browser: ./configure
make
sudo make install

or, you can just download the opera package :)

Kernels have a lot more options that you have to consider

Some early impressions (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16592940)

Upgrade from Dapper via the net too around 1 hour (DSL) and went very smooth. During the updating process the system worked fine, but some strange things started to happen due to new versions of apps and libraries slowly filtering in (e.g. funny fonts, missing icons).

After the reboot ...

Dapper was already a fast system, Edgy feels even faster. In particular, bott time is shorter, the Gnome menus come up quicker. The Murrine GTK+ theme I had installed from outside of the normal repositories was broken. Fonts were not fully hinted (looked smeared) in Firefox and gnome-terminal; this was fixed by explicitly switching to full hinting in the fonts preferences. These have been the only regressions I've noticed so far.

The new Firefox 2 is certainly nice, e.g. spell-checking in text fields, not slow as molasses anymore on framed pages, etc. Departs further from GTK look & feel with the (literally) shiny new tabs. Epiphany has acquired adblocking capabilities, but is still not installed by default.

Re:Some early impressions (1)

dolson (634094) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593362)

Another one: Try dragging some application launchers around on your GNOME panel. For me, this bug still exists, and yes, it was reported in Launchpad. Simple fix: don't drag launchers around on your GNOME panel.

Also, Epiphany is my browser of choice, and it had adblocking capabilities in Dapper too.

Of course... (3, Funny)

Reapman (740286) | more than 7 years ago | (#16592984)

Now that I finished installing 4 Ubuntu systems this week this would happen...

Re:Of course... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593386)

Now that I finished installing 4 Ubuntu systems this week this would happen...


Yeah, what a terrible, terrible thing to happen. The distro got better and now it's easy to upgrade to the latest versions of software. I wish they would stop improving and stall the development for a decade.

Kindly,
Bill

Fantastic! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16592990)

This will help to keep a few thousand homosexuals out of the bath houses and gay bars. By keeping them in front of their computers while they masturbate to the latest release they will not be fucking each other up the ass.

MythTV on Ubuntu (3, Interesting)

KefkaTheMad (967573) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593010)

Does anyone have any thoughts about MythTV on Ubuntu vs. other distros?

I'm a relative Linux noob, having only been using it for half a year. I ran Myth 0.19 on Fedora Core 5, but broke it somehow when I upgraded to 0.20. I ran into some sound bug that I couldn't figure out, so I took the easy way out and installed KnoppMyth, which has worked like a charm. However, I'm not in love with Knoppix, so I'm thinking about running trying Myth on Ubuntu.

As a relative noob, I really loved using Yum on FC5, but I haven't had as good of an experience with Apt on Knoppix. In my limited experience, I've had more issues with dependencies using Apt than I did with Yum. I know Ubuntu is also Debian-based and also uses Apt, but I've heard it's very noob-friendly, so I was wondering what merits there would be in switching from KnoppMyth to an Ubuntu-based Myth system.

Re:MythTV on Ubuntu (1)

eirias (717390) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593242)

Mythtv 0.20 and Mythplugins are in the universe repository along with IVTV source. So in theory and Myth system on Edgy should be pretty easy. If you give it a few weeks there should be some blogs with instructions appearing and there's a page inside the Ubuntu wiki that's starting to document it also.

Re:MythTV on Ubuntu (1)

joes_meat (1014585) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593440)

Apt on Ubuntu/Debian is brilliant. I've never had a single dependancy problem.

I'll never go back to RPM.

Re:MythTV on Ubuntu (1)

JonJ (907502) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593564)

apt and rpm are two very different things and thus shouldn't be compared.
My experience with apt is that dpkg -i had a nasty habit of hosing the entire package manager if the deps weren't alright.(No, apt-get -f install didn't help.)

Upstart faster how?... (3, Interesting)

karot (26201) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593012)

faster booting thanks to upstart (sort of a replacement for init, among others)

I just had a look at "upstart" and some of its configuration documentation, and while I understand "traditional" rc script processes (such as sysvinit, and the variations on that) I cannot see how upstart will speed anything up. It still seems to be a serialised startup process, and the documentation does not make it clear how to specify startup dependencies ("IP before NTP", or "spamd before sendmail"), so there is no implied optimisation behind-the-scenes by using parallel startup.

Have I missed something, or is this just a move to an event-driven RC process "because I can" ?

Re:Upstart faster how?... (1)

Mr. Picklesworth (931427) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593156)

Probably, but start up is definietly faster for me than it was with Dapper.

Maybe I'm just lucky...
Could it be that it doesn't launch as many unneeded services? (IE: Bluetooth on a 6 year old off-the-shelf Compaq thing... Yah, right).

Re:Upstart faster how?... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593226)

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstart [wikipedia.org] , apparently it is asynchronously though as you said, the website itself says little about it.

Re:Upstart faster how?... (3, Informative)

sarathmenon (751376) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593234)

It still seems to be a serialised startup process, and the documentation does not make it clear how to specify startup dependencies ("IP before NTP", or "spamd before sendmail"), so there is no implied optimisation behind-the-scenes by using parallel startup.
Check gentoo's startup scripts and their structure - they feature a lot of cool modifications like soft boot levels, and an exhaustive dependency structure. I don't know why other vendors aren't adopting it, but its worth taking a look and there is nothing gentoo specific in the whole structure. (I will probably be modded troll for this.)

Re:Upstart faster how?... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593308)

The ReplacementInit [ubuntu.com] description doesn't appear to mention speed as a primary design goal - they say it's to be "better able to guarantee a robust boot process and deal with the events from the modern kernel and removable hardware". Any performance improvements seem to be because "services and hardware handlers [are] started only when needed". Dependencies are mentioned on that page, though I know nothing of the details or of whether that documentation is still accurate.

Re:Upstart faster how?... (1)

LoadStar (532607) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593390)

A better question: why didn't they go with Mac OS X's launchd approach, which is also open source and licensed under the Apache license? It'd be nice if, for once, the open source community would use what's already out there in the community rather than perpetually reinventing the wheel.

Re:Upstart faster how?... (1)

Psiren (6145) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593576)

This wiki [ubuntu.com] should answer that question for you. I've been using Edgy for a few weeks and I can certainly say that startup feels a lot faster. Whether it actually is faster is I'm not sure, I've never timed it, but perception is just as important as hard figures.

Re:Upstart faster how?... (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593656)

Here is one (admittedly short) answer: http://lwn.net/Articles/198201/ [lwn.net]

I guess lanuchd didn't do exactly what the Ubuntu people wanted.

-matthew

Cry me a river (2, Informative)

3dWarlord (862844) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593018)

Apparently they were watching me to see when I downloaded the 6.10-rc release isos, as I did that last night, and the full release happened this morning.

The release schedule [ubuntu.com] has been known for a very long time...

Now anyone can be elite ! (0, Troll)

lemur3 (997863) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593038)

Operators are standing by. Upgrade right now at no cost to you! UBUNTU will impress you AND your friends. Why rely on thinkgeek t-shirts to represent your true inner leetness when you can download the latest and greatest linux ever! Download now! Ubuntu 6.10: Now anyone can be elite.

Re:Now anyone can be elite ! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593258)

Now anyone can be elite.

I think you meant to type in "a dumb linux fag" where you typed "elite".

With Strigi! (4, Informative)

oever (233119) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593078)

The universe now contains the desktop search with the fastest file-indexer: Strigi [sf.net] ! This is a huge improvement over Beagle in terms of resource usage and with the added ability to search for files no matter how deeply nested in packages, archives or mail, it's clearly the best file searching tool for Linux.

So, they replaced init. (2, Insightful)

porkchop_d_clown (39923) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593172)

But why develop a whole new mechanism, why not just use launchd?

Re:So, they replaced init. (1)

jZnat (793348) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593314)

I believe launchd had licencing problems (not DFSG-compliant probably).

Re:So, they replaced init. (5, Informative)

beezly (197427) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593406)

It doesn't take much to find out via the ubuntu wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit [ubuntu.com] has lots of information on the whole implementation.

With regards to launchd, that page says;

The four candidates were Solaris SMF, Apple's launchd, the LSB initserv/chkconfig tools and initNG.

The first two of these suffer from inescapable licence problems, which is relatively unfortunate as both have features that are somewhat appealing though neither quite fix our problems. Having whichever system we use being adopted as a Linux-wide standard would not be possible if we chose either of these two systems.

and also from discussion further down the page;

NabLa: [WWW] Apple's launchd has been [WWW] released recently under the Apache license. Would that resolve those "inescapable licence problems"? Looks like a very interesting possibility now.

  • ScottJamesRemnant: it still doesn't meet our requirements, so would be only a base for our own work. We've already implemented enough that it'd be a backwards step to start again based on launchd. Also the new launchd licence may not be GPL compatible, so it would still not be ideal
  • jec : I think that the licence (apache 2.0) is GPL compatible. But if work is already advanced on your own solution, then great! Just hope that Redhat/SuSE/Debian will adopt it...
  • ThomMay: it's not - [WWW] the FSF mark it as incompatible.

Humpty Dumpty sat on the server (1)

Chas (5144) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593220)

Then Slashdot came and booted his wide ass off!

CAN'T...GET...NEW...RELEASE! DAMMIT!!!

Kubuntu DVDs (1)

N7DR (536428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593264)

FWIW, the Kubuntu DVDs don't seem to be available yet, despite indications to the contrary on the Kubuntu download page.

Maybe later today, one hopes.

"The DVD contains both Live Desktop and Alternate installers, as well as the other packages in our main archive", according to www.kubuntu.org.

Re:Kubuntu DVDs (1)

Clete2 (823221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593504)

Yeah, they don't seem to be up yet. :( I am waiting for those. I won't even bother trying it out until I can burn a DVD.

Why Upstart? Why not initng? Why not minit? (1)

Hoplite3 (671379) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593296)

What are the advantages of their sysv init replacement over others, like initng? I looked over the linked page. Some of it seems interesting, like the event-based nature, but I'm turned off by the continued use of numbered run-levels. Wouldn't names (startup, reboot, shutdown, nonetwork, default, etc) be easier and less cryptic.

I also didn't see, but did they do away with the ugly numbered symlink crap? It seems to me that init scripts should state what other services they depend on, then some other program sorts out the optimum (and correct) order to start them in. I did line numbers back in Apple II BASIC, and I don't want to touch them again.

I'm all for a new init system. I can't wait to try this puppy out. It could be cool.

init dependencies... (2, Informative)

porkchop_d_clown (39923) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593468)

It seems to me that init scripts should state what other services they depend on, then some other program sorts out the optimum (and correct) order to start them in.

That's one of the main features of launchd.

Cake? (5, Funny)

neaorin (982388) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593346)

I guess the cake sent to them by the Vista team got lost in delivery.

Is the ATI (Radeon) driver fixed? (2, Interesting)

SpinyNorman (33776) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593398)

I just installed 6.06 last week, and am quite impressed by it compared to other flavors of Linux I've tried.. Nice philosophy of installing best of breed applications rather than 101 alternatives and the kitchen sink, and it all seems to work.

One thing that spoiled the experience though, was that I initially got a blank screen with the Live CD, so had to go back and do a "safe graphics mode" boot/install. It turns out (no mention of this in the release notes - had to dig for a day to find it) that the X.org ATI driver for 6.06 is broken such that it doesn't work for RV280 based (Radeon 9200) cards using the DVI output (flat panel)... The fix requires downloading and editing the source and rebuilding the driver.

There's also another bug in the 6.06 ATI driver just discovered a week ago where with xorg.conf RenderAccel="yes" it can corrupt drawing in some circumstances (themes that use Cairo).

Does anyone know if either or both of the fixes for these made it into 6.10 ?

Edgy wireless proglems (1)

goofyheadedpunk (807517) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593434)

Edgy apparently has major problems with wireless support. I upgraded my Lenovo 3000 N100 yesterday and my previously functioning wireless card is now non-functional. Sigh. More here. [slashdot.org]

(Why do I have to write one of these, Woops, a hardware regression. posts every time a new Ubuntu version is released?)

Wireless security? (2, Interesting)

chill (34294) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593494)

Does it support WPA without me having to download other packages? (wpa_supplicant, most likely)

what about easyubuntu? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593580)

Anyone know how long I have to wait until easyubuntu is 6.10 compatable so I can go about friends and relatives upgrading them?

ubuntu without easyubuntu is like cake without frosting. Yes it's good, but not as good as it can get.

Requesting torrent files (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16593768)

Can someone please provide alternate locations for the torrent files, all the servers seem to be down.

fixed kubuntu installer?? (1)

amigabill (146897) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593784)

I prefer KDE to Gnome, so tried isntalling kubuntu recently, the 6.06 release. That installer kept hanging before completing, which seemed a common thing in the forums. Has this been improved? Will I actually be able to install it this time?

Still no 3D desktop? (4, Insightful)

cciRRus (889392) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593800)

Mandriva 2007 and Fedora Core 6 now come out-of-the-box with 3D desktop support (XGL/AIGLX + Compiz). The 3D desktop not only serve as a great piece of eyecandy, it (e.g. cube desktop and Expose clone) also makes the GUI friendlier and more efficient. As a Ubuntu user, I'm a little disappointed that Ubuntu 6.10 does not provide 3D desktop support.

Caught it first thing this morning (1)

DoctorPepper (92269) | more than 7 years ago | (#16593864)

I started checking the Ubuntu site around 5:30 this morning. I saw the download page switch over from 6.06 to 6.10, and I jumped on it! It took me about 45 minutes to download the alternate ISO image for AMD 64 bit systems. It is already installed on my new dual core CPU system and running fine! :-)
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