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EMI Exec Says 'The Music CD is Dead'

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the thanks-egon dept.

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Anonycat writes "Alain Levy, the chairman of EMI Music, made a speech at the London Business School declaring 'the end of the music CD as it is.' He went on to say that most CDs are simply used for ripping onto digital audio players. Levy adds that by the beginning of 2007, all EMI CDs will come with additional material to make them more attractive to the consumer. Revenue from CDs still outranks revenue from downloads by better than 6 to 1. Would it take 'additional material' to get you to keep buying CDs? What material would you like to see?"

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528 comments

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What Is He Smoking? (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612724)

Would it take 'additional material' to get you to keep buying CDs?
I think that EMI executive found his way into one of his recording artist's 'secret stash' because his perception is not only different from statistics (6 to 1 is still a large advantage) but also different from what I desire as a consumer.

There are three letters that keep me buying CDs: DRM. As long as the only legal route to purchase music online is DRM encrypted music, I won't take part in it.

Granted, there are a ton of people out there that don't realize that they rely on iTunes to decrypt their music for them, I don't know how people can spend so much money without physically receiving anything. They aren't even getting a guarantee that they can play that file for the rest of their lives! They would have to burn it to a CD to ensure that.

I'll appreciate the added content to a CD but you don't need to do that to convince me that I should keep buying physical media. Hell, if you want to win back people, maybe you should get the word out that the iTunes TOS is downright shady [macnn.com] ?

I will admit that the first thing I do with a CD when I buy a new one is CDex [sourceforge.net] it to high quality MP3 format. Then I put it on the shelf never to be played again. Why? Because that's my master copy that won't ever be scratched or stolen or lost. I may use MP3s to play my music, but I don't distribute or download them illegally. I'm well aware that I am copying them without consent but the only person that ever uses those copies is myself so I'm not afraid of a court case. Not one bit.

If the CD format is dead, you're going to have to figure out some way to get a physical master copy to me or I'm going to be upset mighty fast. I think if you remove this from people, some will start to miss it. And the second people realize that Apple's 99 cent deals were set by Steve Jobs & guarantee you nothing, I think there will be quite the demand for the 'ancient' physical media.

Is this just a case of 'I have it so hard! We need to change our business model, please feel sorry for us!' or am I the only one that thinks this dude is crying that the sky is falling?

Re:What Is He Smoking? (4, Insightful)

sugapablo (600023) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612804)

The CD will not be dead, so long as people still wish to hear a higher quality than they can get from compressed audio.

Or until record companies stop producing them.

Re:What Is He Smoking? (1)

xENoLocO (773565) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612888)

Which they don't and which they won't.

My grandma doesn't care about DRM. Only we do.

Re:What Is He Smoking? (1)

no_pets (881013) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612964)

My sentiments exactly. Wish I had mod points.

He's smoking $100 bills (4, Insightful)

rob_squared (821479) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613006)

Or he would if CDs were actually dead. DRM'd music files are the wave of the future, after all. They get all the "buying multiple copies" syndrome that they did with Vinyl/cassette/CD that they did before without actually having to produce anything physical. Did you buy music from napster/rhapsody or whatever and now want an ipod? Great! Now buy it all in FairPlay format!

It looks like the record execs finally found a way to profit on this new business opportunity that everyone was saying to evolve to. They did, but only because they found a way to squeeze us a little harder.

Re:What Is He Smoking? (3, Interesting)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613076)

Since Weird Al put videos on his music CDs, and I discovered mix mode discs in my CD burning software, I've thought that most audio CDs should come with data tracks. That's before DRM was common on music CDs though, and I've nearly changed my mind, thanks to malicious companies like Sony Music who release rootkits to damage your computer.

OTOH.. (1, Offtopic)

davido42 (956948) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613104)

I have the opposite question: what could CD's achieve that cannot be downloaded? Scratch-n-sniff?

Prediction: DRM will be dead too in 5 years.

http://www.bitworksmusic.com/ [bitworksmusic.com]
P.S. Download my music.. for free.

Re:What Is He Smoking? (1)

elcid73 (599126) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613110)

"don't know how people can spend so much money without physically receiving anything" Really? Maybe some people don't really *want* to have a vault of pristine music. I like music as much as the next guy, but what good is the lastest Jack Johnson CD going to do for me in 5 years? I don't want to *rent* my music sure... but I don't need to fort knox it up either. As a side note, I cleaned out a storage room in my house and found tons of crappy CDs sitting around my house. I threw them all away. I understand your argument though, not being at the whims of the man and all that....but 99 cents for track is more than enough for me to get my use out of a song for a "foreseable future." Most tracks I just listen to for a year or so before it's never listened to again. I don't care about the song, so why should I care about the medium? If there's something like a Pink Floyd album or something, i'll go out and buy it the way I want it. ...anyway, at the very least, iTunes keeps me from cleaning out closet.

Novel idea (5, Insightful)

nizo (81281) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612726)

Record companies will need to make CDs more attractive to the consumer


Instead of including a pile of other useless stuff that I don't care about with the CD, how about charging less than $20 for something that I (as someone who buys music online) consider to be worth at most $6, and can probably download for roughly that amount? This is of course assuming I actually want all of the songs on a given CD, which is rarely the case.


They keep calling themselves record companies, which pretty much explains the problem: just like records, they are trapped way back in a time before the age of the internet.

Re:Novel idea (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612848)

Or, go the other direction, and sell more compilations, of artists that don't suck, along with material that is interesting to fans.
Oh, wait: that would be a quality over quantity argument.

Re:Novel idea (1)

letxa2000 (215841) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612872)

Definitely. It'd take a lower price. Oh, and music worth buying. Even if those two requirements are met, I'm just not sure I'm into the idea of buying any physical media. Like the EMI guy said, I'd just use it to rip it and then store the CD. I can't imagine any material that would motivate me to use the CD for any other purpose than to rip and store. So why buy the CD?

Re:Novel idea (1)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613098)

This claim that there is no "music worth buying" line rings false. There is so much music, in so many genres, being produced right now, that I just can't believe that no one, anywhere, is producing CDs of music you would like.

I have outre tastes in music, and still I despair of hearing even a fraction of the music that I'd enjoy: any visit to a CD store of any breadth (Amoeba Music being the pinnacle of them, but there are many) reveals just how much more there is to hear out there.

Exactly! (1)

dafz1 (604262) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612968)

CDs only have a few decent tracks on them(no more than 6...hence being worth $6). The only benefit they have is being an archival copy of the song, which I can rip from over and over again.

The other benefit to a CD is I can "discover" an artist's other music(the "whole CD is artwork argument), in addition to the popular stuff I hear on the radio/Sirius. However, with notable exceptions, the fluff that takes up the other 8 - 10 tracks on current CDs is not worth the extra $12 over the $2 for the two songs I bought online.

Don't fight the market. CDs will be dead soon. Online distribution is the way of the present and future. If artists want you to buy entire works, put a couple of the non-single songs on the net for free for a limited time. If you want people to discover your work, either get your stuff on the radio, or put it out there for free, just like the "indie"/struggling up-and comers do.

I Agree with This Post! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16613086)

The fact that a CD is only marginally cheaper than a DVD of a film that cost $50 millions to make is a nutty. $5 would be a suitable price.

I'd like to see a talking goat (0, Offtopic)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612730)

Now that would be pretty cool.

Re:I'd like to see a talking goat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612910)

How about a singing goatse?

full-frontal nudity (0, Offtopic)

the_wesman (106427) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612734)

What material would you like to see?


you asked.
-w

Yep-- read my mind-agreemsg (1)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612776)

I came here to post near-spot on the same thing..

Re:Yep-- read my mind-agreemsg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612824)

not just you.. this is slashdot.. most of the crowd hurried to post similar thoughts.

Re:full-frontal nudity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612974)

What material would you like to see?
full-frontal nudity
Perhaps you should purchase the Two Virgins [wikipedia.org] album by John Lennon then?

What material would I'd like to see? (5, Funny)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612736)

$100 bills would be pretty frickin' cool

Re:What material would I'd like to see? (1)

letxa2000 (215841) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612948)

I might even pay $20 for the CD in that case.

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612738)

W00t!

Quality (1)

SoapDish (971052) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612750)

I will keep buying CD's until you can download music at the same or better quality, with no DRM.

Re:Quality (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612818)

You said it, SoapDish.

Add to that the fact the most of what I buy on CD isn't sold electronically.

Well no (1)

misey (996068) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612752)

I use CD's, I rip them, but I use a CD player instead of an iPod. That iPod always broke on me in the first year or so, and I've bought four. I hate the iPod, but I love my Mac.

disconnected from reality. (4, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612758)

Yup all cars now have ipod capable stereos and NOBODY uses CD's in a car stereo anymore.

I guess the guy is either mential or chooses to ignore the millions of people that make below $40,000 a year and cant afford a new stereo with ipod and ipod adapter or mp3 player plus rf transmitter...

Most everyone at my kids highschool still uses CD's in their CD player.

Re:disconnected from reality. (1)

letxa2000 (215841) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613116)

Most everyone at my kids highschool still uses CD's in their CD player.


But do they use the CD player to play CDs they've purchased, or compilations they've burned from music they've downloaded or copied from a friend? I lived in Mexico (not exactly a high-tech, high-income area) for awhile and my sister-in-law and the friends of hers that I know did, in fact, use CD players... but the CDs were home-burned and I'm not aware of any of them actually buying any music in any form.

And at $20 a CD (or whatever they cost these days), it doesn't take more than about 3 or 4 for a low-end MP3 player nor more than about 7 or 8 to pay for an iPod Nano. The idea that MP3 players are only for the rich is absurd. Anyone that has money to spend on a CD on anything approaching a regular basis would be much better off buying an MP3 player.

Re:disconnected from reality. (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613214)

?
MP3 capable audio cdplayer have taken over the classic "cd changer" niche over the last years over here.

What i would want on a CD? (1)

TransEurope (889206) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612768)

The licence to legally rip the contents to DRM-free formats and
to gave some copies to friends and family. That would be a fair deal.

Bullshit (3, Insightful)

Pope (17780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612770)

All I buy are CDs, so that I can listen to them in my nice home stereo. I can't at this point see myself buying a music download from, say, iTunes. CDs are convenient, sound good, and last a long time since I take care of my stuff. This exec is either living in the future or is out of touch with the average music buyer!

Re:Bullshit (1)

hurting now (967633) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613072)

I find myself downloading from iTunes especially if the song is older, or in a genre that I normally dont listen to. Yet, I will admit, the quality of the songs, is much worse.


But shouldn't we be slightly happy that a music exec is looking towards the future? Even if he conclusions are wrong, the statement is becoming more accurate.

Re:Bullshit (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613120)

iTunes purchases are alright if you don't really give a damn about audio quality (which, considering I rip all my music into 128 AAC, I don't) and you don't mind not being able to play them at full quality on a loud stereo if the mood takes you (which is why I like CDs better). The DRM doesn't really affect me all that much, to be frank; I must have reinstalled Windows about twice and have never gone over the 5-PC limit (deauthorising and reauthorising helps).

EMI Moderation System (2, Insightful)

agent dero (680753) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612788)

Can we mod his comments -5, No Shit; or how about -5, Too little too late?

These ivory tower execs should have realized almost 7 years ago with the advent of Napster that the CD was dying. Frankly, I don't think the iTunes Music Store should have ever happened, they should have realized the market then and adapted, now they'll have to play catch up to those innovating the non-physical media market.

Goodbye, EMI. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16613062)

> These ivory tower execs should have realized almost 7 years ago with the advent of Napster that the CD was dying. Frankly, I don't think the iTunes Music Store should have ever happened, they should have realized the market then and adapted, now they'll have to play catch up to those innovating the non-physical media market.

Only 7 years? Heck, almost 30 years. The music business doesn't require an economy based on artificial scarcity, but the record business certainly does.

With an unlimited supply,
That was the only reason
We all had to say goodbye.
Unlimited supply?
EMI.
- The Sex Pistols, EMI, 1977

Goodbye, EMI. Hello, artist-owned websites, P2P, wireless ad-hoc connectivity, live performances.

The Sex Pistols were only 30 years ahead of their time.

Maybe (1)

sidepocket (817256) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612790)

What material would you like to see?

First priority for ticket sales? Of course this would probably work more with established artists than unknown artists.

Lawsuits are not value added (4, Interesting)

woodsrunner (746751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612792)

Today I bought my first CD in over a year and it had big FBI copyright warnings all over it and a mail in questionaire with many survey questions that could be seen as incriminating and a good lead for the RIAA to follow up with a lawsuit.

If this is what they see as value added, I think they got the eqation backwards... it's supposed to be value added to the consumer's experience, not the record company's legal squad.

Simple: (4, Insightful)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612796)

"Unrevocable permission is granted by (insert name of record label here) to the purchaser of this CD to store the contents thereof in the digital medium of his or her choice in perpeturity and to use said contents without altering their length, content or intent for any non-commercial purposes the user so desires.", or something like that.

And while I'm dreaming, I'd like a pony.

If they know 60% of their users.. (5, Insightful)

onion2k (203094) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612798)

"The CD as it is right now is dead," Levy said, adding that 60% of consumers put CDs into home computers in order to transfer material to digital music players.

If they realise that 60% of CD purchasers are ripping content then why on Earth are they trying to make it more difficult? If this guy is correct then increased anti-piracy measures will alienate more than half of their target audience.

Either he's wrong (I doubt it) or the music industry is trying to commit business suicide.

But I suppose we already knew that when they signed Ashlee Simpson. ;P

Hmmm (4, Interesting)

Phanatic1a (413374) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612802)

Lyrics and sheet music. Or tab. And a flash drive with properly-tagged high-bitrate mp3s on it.

Alain Levy... (1)

Kazrath (822492) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612806)

Does this guy read slashdot?

I have read several articles recently about people only buying audio CD's for some of the special perks inside of them besides just the music. Basically adding value to the CD purchase.

I think fundamentally digital downloads are more consumer friendly because in effect you cut out the middle men (Distrobution Centers/Resellers) and are able to get product directly to the user. Unfortunatly some of the digital download sites are charging to much per song to entice a greater number of legitmate downloaders.

Basically to justify the price of the CD's they need to add additional value and for digital only copies they need to lower the cost. I think their bloated prices are starting to finally catch up with them.

What about CD as a backup media for those rips? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612822)

I'll rather stick with a CD, regardless of any bonus material, as a convenient backup from which I can easily re-rip my DRM-free music :-) (hopefully DRM-free - so Sony music's out, sorry ;-) )

Good music? (5, Insightful)

fluch (126140) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612826)

How about to put some good music on the CD? For a change...

Re:Good music? (1)

wabbit season (846154) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613014)

Seconded. I have no problems buying cds, I just don't buy as many as I used to due to the fact that there aren't as many being released that I'm interested in buying.

Copyright profiteering is dead (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612836)

I don't know what shape the future will take, but the fact that people could get rich by the distribution of media are coming to an end. Without some vast world wide police state, media is easily redistributable.

Historically speaking, it has only be an accident of the last few hundred years that "intellectual property" is even something that can be "owned."

We would still be paying Ogg for the patent on that wheel thing.

statements... (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612842)

1. I will pay to download music that I like.

2. I will avoid DRM where possible.

3. I will REMOVE DRM when found.

HEY EMI GUYS, read these statements in your heads. Customers are like me. Forget about the people who pirate things because frankly they're the minority anyways.

Tom

Bye bye Ms. American Pie. (2, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612844)

CD's are in a weird limbo, because their adoption of a fricking solid digital format is still hanging fire. The only formats record companies agree on are awful...No good to consumers at all. Consumer unfriendly formatting pretty much keeps me buying CDs.

Besides, I'm not sure what CD profits being 6 times online profits actually means...I buy one CD, that's going to cost the same as what? 10 songs on iTunes? At least? So, maybe it's just that online sales, being mainly single songs, are exposing the obvious fact that most albums only have one or two good songs.

It's actually a good Idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612846)

This is part of the reason why I'm willing to buy DVD's but not music CD's. DVD's have tons of outakes, commentary and what not and I can buy them for sometimes less then I can buy a music cd!

So heres what they should do:
Bundle a DVD with the music cd (Or better yet just say the music cd is "extra" becuase nobody is going to use it anyway) and include some live videos, the video that came with the single as well remixes of the current songs. Also include live interviews and other stuff.

And although must of us wont be able to tell the difference, if the music included on the dvd was at a better bit rate then the CD that would also be an incentive.

I mean if you think about it, that movie you bought has what amounts to maybe a 40 minute soundtrack and it probably costed less then the music cd you bought!

What matterial??? (1)

thedarb (181754) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612856)

How about good music on the entire album for once.

Rather have leprosy (5, Insightful)

jenkin sear (28765) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612862)

Wasn't the last additional material we found on a CD a rootkit [eff.org] ?

someone has to say this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612866)

> What material would you like to see?

1) The songs of the CD in 320kbps MP3 format
2) Full rebate of the purchase
3) Ideally, some nude pix of female singer

No (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612876)

When the main motivation for piracy (semantics nazis get off my back) is that piracy involves almost no direct cost to the consumer, it won't do much else.

Sad, really.

good music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612878)

I'd like to see good music on the CDs, not just 1 good song and a bunch of crap.

DVD: $9.99 Soundtrack CD: $17.99 (4, Insightful)

Dr. Zowie (109983) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612880)

To keep me buying CDs (or, rather, get me started again) the industry would have to lower prices drastically. When the CD of the "Bride and Prejudice" soundtrack costs twice as much as the movie itself, there is a serious problem with pricing.

Easy Sony (3, Funny)

masklinn (823351) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612882)

What material would you like to see?"

Why rootkits and virii for my computer of course!

He probably wishes that they were dead. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612886)

As long as the CD is almost the only high quality(bear with me audiophiles, and compare to 128 kilobit mp3), cross platform, simple, versatile, inexpensive, and DRM-free format in existence, it will be a good choice.

Sure, the retail package of bits model deserves to be killed by the internet; but, with the exception of a few independent outfits who have a clue, online music distribution sucks so incredibly hard that it is a step down from a format 20 odd years old. Pathetic.

Give me an online distribution method that doesn't suck, and then we'll talk about the death of the CD.

Additional Content? (1)

Muad'Dib129 (868864) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612894)

Shit. All of the "Additional Content" would be available via download sooner or later anyway.

Hmmm.... (1)

8127972 (73495) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612898)

"Would it take 'additional material' to get you to keep buying CDs?"

Pron

How 'bout MP3 versions of all songs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612914)

I'd like the CD to contain MP3s, so that I don't have to RIP them.

Copy DVDs!? (1)

Biotech9 (704202) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612916)

I stopped buying CDs year ago, because all I was doing was buying them and ripping them. I started to buy the albums I wanted on vinyl and just downloaded the MP3s of the music separately. Vinyl was prettier, held it's value longer, and was more fun to play on those special occasions when MP3s aren't enough :)

But the most recent CD I bought was by Richie Hawtin [richiehawtin.com] , the pre-eminent electronic artist behind plastikman. The CD came with a DVD (or vice versa), with a live show by him. The CD had a full album by him, but the DVD also had that album ripped as a high bitrate MP3 for your ipod, it had a longer version that wouldn't fit on CD, and also a lot of extras, to play with.

Basically it copied the way DVDs of movies have gone lately, lots of extras, low prices, and therefore high sales.

Re:Copy DVDs!? (1)

realmolo (574068) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613084)

"I started to buy the albums I wanted on vinyl and just downloaded the MP3s of the music separately."

You do realize that simply owning the vinyl version doesn't make it legal for you to download the MP3s from somewhere, right?

To be completely legal, you'd have to make your own MP3s directly from your vinyl recording.

Not that anyone would ever care, but still.

Three letters... (2, Funny)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612920)

What material would you like to see?

Anything that's not DRM'd.

I know, what are the chances of that, huh? On the other hand, what's the point in including extra fluff that's DRM'd in a package where the primarily content isn't DRM'd? "Here's the cake you ordered, sir. And to thank you for your patronage, we've included a bonus poisoned pill. It's sugary though, yum!" "Umm, thanks... I'll just eat the cake."

Just Now? (1)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612926)

The Music CD has been dead for a while now. It died the minute they started trying to keep us ripping tracks.

I haven't looked lately; can you still find a Red Book compliant CD in music stores anymore?

It's not so much what I want as what I don't want (1)

edbob (960004) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612928)

Just put the music on the CD for a reasonable price and if I like it, I will buy it. Do not put rootkits, annoying advertising, or other silly "enhancements" that take over my computer when I try to play it. Allow me to rip the music myself to a format of my own choosing and I will continue to happily buy CD's.

Still buying CDs here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612930)

Until they ditch the DRM on the online stores Ill continue to buy CDs. The wife has an Ipod, and Ive currently got a DJ and soon to get a Zune, so Itunes don't work on mine, and other DRM doesn't work on hers. Both cars still have CD players so no luck there either. Not to mention I still like to be able to hold what I purchase.

Material? (1)

Brothernone (928252) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612936)

I don't want to see "Additional Material". Most of what stops me from buying CDs is that there is a seriuos lack of variety in mainstream Music. Theese days every other artist sounds like one you've already grown tired of hearing. it's not that CDs are dead, it's the music your selling that has become heartless and dead. Most music being produced and sold in stores are by wannabe celebreties not artists. It doesn't take much skill to sing prewritten words into a studio microphone, and yet sadly that makes up about %75 of the music found in stores anymore. I'll let the others get into the DRM issues.

The best feature of current CDs ... (1)

DrJimbo (594231) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612938)

... is no friggin' DRM.

In a related question, buggy whip manufacturers are asking what features we would like added to buggy whips in order to make them more attractive to consumers.

What would it take? (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612940)

$4-$6, quality albums instead of filler that was written in their pop-music factory and performed by the artist with the best fashion sense, and a complete absence of DRM. As an added bonus, they could stop using my money to get laws passed that hurt consumers.

buying CD's (1)

polar red (215081) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612942)

I will keep buying CD's, but only until they come with DRM. I want a physical item i am in total control of. If you can't sell me that, I am not interested anymore in paying for music.

I'd continue to buy CDs... (1)

OglinTatas (710589) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612970)

at indie concerts and used record sources.
While I have downloaded mp3s from bands' websites and myspace *hurk* pages, I have never used itunes music store, the napster (the original) or any subsequent file sharing service or torrent site.
I rent CDs from the library, but I don't rip with the one exception of a funeral, the deceased had a particular request and I had never bothered to acquire that music before the eventuality, so I was pressed for time.
So yes, I will continue to buy CDs, (thanks ebay, amazon marketplace, cd-baby, and artists themselves) but you can bet your ass that I will continue to rip those CDs to other formats.

less is more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16612976)

Additional material?

How about just the music, at a reasonable price. I do not want to be charged $18(USD) for a disc which carries e.g. a root-kit as "additional material". I'll happily pay ~$10(USD) for a disc with at least 5/10 good tracks, and no hidden extras.

HD, Multichannel Sound; Songs, not whole albums (1)

sourcery (87455) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612980)

For me, CDs have to two fatal flaws:

1. They can't provide hi-def, multi-channel audio (e.g., the sound quality of DVD-Audio or SACD.) It would also be nice if the format wasn't fixed, but could be extended and improved over time.

2. You have to purchase an entire album to the get the one song you actually want.

Whether music comes on a disc or is downloaed over the internet is a matter of secondary importance, as far as I'm concerned.

I know.. (1)

matt me (850665) | more than 7 years ago | (#16612994)

I know the arctic monkeys are shite, but I really wouldn't call this the end of music.

www.[ARTIST].com (1)

TheGreatOrangePeel (618581) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613002)

I can't speak for anyone else, but because of all this RIAA nonsense, I buy from the Artist's website, anymore. It's not a sure bet that I'll bypass the RIAA that way, but it's been my experiance that, for the most part, you will and also that more of the money you just spent goes directly to the artist.

What i'd like to see is (1)

moco (222985) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613012)

I was very happy with the pre copy-protection scheme. I like owning the "original" plastic disc with the artwork and lyrics but i also like the ability to rip the music so i can play it at the time and on the device of MY choice.

A fair price would be nice. (3, Insightful)

L4m3rthanyou (1015323) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613024)

I still buy CDs. Now, let me say, what would attract me to purchase more of them would be a more justified price on them. I'd buy a hell of a lot more CDs if they were $5. I like album art. I like having a physical copy of my music... and I like albums, not just songs. My biggest worry about the explosion of downloadable music is that it will forsake the album in favor of mass-produced, repetitive singles.

The record labels keep trying to add shit to CD packages (dualDisc? yuck) and cut costs by using crappy cardboard cases, when they could just stea-- I mean, charge less money. I mean, how much do you think it costs to stamp a CD? It's not like a lot of that money gets passed on to the artist anyway...

Re:A fair price would be nice. (1)

polar red (215081) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613166)

It's not like a lot of that money gets passed on to the artist anyway...

That's why i try to purchase my CD's at concerts! More for the artists!

What material would you like to see? (1)

git68 (957160) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613032)

Free p0rn!

In car music (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613038)

The guys insane. Im a computer programmer and I still buy CDs. why? because I can play them in my car stereo, or my wifes, or our home CD player, or the other CD player in another room. Thats 5 dedicated devices I have for playing these things. I can also lend the CD to a friend if I wanted. This is all way mroe convenient than arsing around with downlaoded files. If I only ever used my PC to play music, it would be different, and I *do* rip the very rare CDs which i listen to whilst coding.
I'd be amazed if you cant still buy high street CDs in 5 years, and probably in 10 or even 15 years.

They're Still Missing the Point (1)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613046)

It's not about "extra material". It's about convenience. CDs, tapes, and vinyl are ALL a pain in the ass. The reason that digital music is better is because of what it COULD allow us to do if we were not held back by ridiculous artificial restrictions. Imagine being able to have your music collection centralized at home on ONE MACHINE. NOT files strewn about all over the place, but one centralized location. Imagine being able to listen to that music ANYWHERE and ANYTIME you want to. It's not an impossible dream. It's completely technically feasible today. If the artifical restrictions on the technology were lifted and the artificial price of wireless bandwidth set at a reasonable rate, we could be doing this in six months at worst. But because old, stupid business people with no grasp of technology want to hold onto old schemes, we're made to suffer. Currently, I stream everything from my house to wherever I happen to be. The only exception being my cell phone or the car because I can't waste that much money on wireless data services. But, work, a friend's house, a relative's house??? I can listen to (and in some cases watch) ANYTHING I want to. Today.

Liner notes are king in my book (1)

goodbadorugly (837673) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613050)

The day they begin ofering liner notes and the insert artwork in downloadable music is the day I stop buying music CD's altogether. Theres a real art in my opinion of making a cd case and insert look pleasing to the eye. Some bands also add some insights in the liner notes, which are always fun to read.

Lossless audio is also important to me, but i think I can live without it as long as audio quality is pretty good, I personally cannot differentiate too much between itunes store tracks and stuff ive ripped myself.

Music geek stuff (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613056)

When Kurt Harland, the original lead singer of the band Information Society, [insoc.org] released his first solo album "Don't Be Afraid," [insoc.org] he included an entire second CD full of fannish goodness in data form. There was a previously unreleased music video, there were all sorts of text files and images, there were movie clips from his archives, and - best of all for music geeks - there were wav files of many of the samples he used to make the songs with. Furthermore, there was a segment of a massive digital scavenger hunt he ran, which spanned the data disc as well as many websites, the prize of which was a WAV file of the album's missing final track. [spacemutiny.com] There was a game, a Windows sound theme, and images from rare data discs distributed to fans in the band's early days. He even had some room left over after all that, so he solicited his fans to contribute pretty much anything they wanted to fill out the disc.

And all this was in 1997.

Innovate much, music industry?

Some good music, for starts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16613074)

What material would you like to see?

Some good music, for starts. It's hard to find that from the mainstream vendors, however. Downloadable music has really helped the small music labels get their music out.

Yay http://bleep.com/ [bleep.com]

root kits (0, Redundant)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613082)

That will be added things you get from a CD.

Downloading electronic media... (1)

doit3d (936293) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613090)

...has admittedly probably cut into some of the profits of CD's, but let's be more realistic and honest. DRM has/is doing more, in addition to poor quality talent being promoted by the *AA's and outrageous pricing, to damage CD sales more than anything else. The CD is not dead yet, and probably will not be for some time, but the *AA's continued ignorance will assuredly facilitate a faster demise. It seems they do now have the insight to see the end coming for this form of media at least, but still lack the common intellect of the average individual to see why...

No DRM please (1)

Ice Wewe (936718) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613118)

Would it take 'additional material' to get you to keep buying CDs? What material would you like to see?"

I'd like to see a removal of the DRM that EMI puts on all their CDs. If I pay for something legally, I want to be able to use it on whatever I please.

Me? (1)

robyannetta (820243) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613126)

I want to keep buying CDs.

In case of a catastrophic failure of my system and backup, I still want a legally-puchased physical CD in my hand to give me the warm fuzzies.

What material? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16613140)

What material would you like to see?

Non-DRMed lossless downloads.

what could they add? (1)

barchibald (207846) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613144)

The real question is, what could they possibly add that I wouldn't want to rip to my computer or device or just download in the first place? If they can put it on the CD....uh...yeah. What they need to do, is get over it.

CD alive, CD PLAYER is dead (4, Insightful)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613158)

He went on to say that most CDs are simply used for ripping onto digital audio players.

Traditional CD players may be dead, but the CD continues to be useful as a distribution medium. Clearly online distribution does not eclipse the traditional CD, in quality, in fundamentals (no DRM so you can rip to any player in any format, copy on all of your players at once [car, portable, PC], you get a permanent high-quality copy, particularly in DualDisc options, printed jacket + lyrics), and in extras (promotional material such as special editions with included DVDs etc).

The fact that listeners continue to buy CDs only to rip songs from show that the CD medium is very much alive and that online distribution can not match the value of CD-ripped music.

The traditional CD PLAYER on the other hand, may be dead.

What would you like to see? (1)

Rohan427 (521859) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613174)

What material would you like to see?

Something other than the crap that the labels are promoting these days. Enough with the bee-bop, teen-age "artists" singing whatever the label tells them to. Enough with the inexperinced "artists" singing about love when they're barely out of puberty.

PGA

Include the data versions of the song (2, Insightful)

An anonymous Frank (559486) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613186)

Indeed for years now I've been buying CDs only to import them on the computer and then put them away on a shelf somewhere never to be touched again. (A while back I used to give them away to friends, but then I got the sense that some of them would just show up to see what new acquisition I had, and it occured to me that this might not be entirely legal anyhow. Initially I was just pissed off at having been robbed so I didn't want to accumulate new posessions to lure opportunistic individuals once more.

Videos and other content can be fun, but I'll look at it (if I've got the time) only right after the initial purchase, and forget all about it later. (If most CDs had such content then I might be more likely to look it up but I'm not enough of a groupie to care for posters, etc.)

It's smiple, I listen to my music either on my 'puter at home, or my iPod otherwise, and that's it, so the CDAudio format has stopped being useful to me a long time ago (as in "years").

Now, if the CD included a session with the files already in mp3/mp4 format, with all the tags filled-in (incl. lyrics,) it would make the process of adding them to my library much quicker (and simpler). I wouldn't mind so much if they were DRM-ed somehow so long as the format was supported by my iPod.

Material (3, Insightful)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613190)

"What material would you like to see?"

How about starting by discontinuing litigation against your customer base? I stopped buying CDs when the lawsuits started. Granted, I was helped out by the music business itself. The stuff being sold today sucks so badly that I may not have bought it even if there weren't any lawsuits.

revenue given to the artist, lyrics, and... (2, Interesting)

surfsalot (15319) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613202)

When purchasing a CD I want to know how its benefiting the artist. I want to be able to read the insert and the "official" lyrics. It would also be nice to have some way to download some other "recommended artists", though this should be based on the kind of music I already own, and the kind of music I've purchased, not just whatever the record company is pushing. I'd like to see the record companies stop being sleazy and start being "good".

Sound Quality (1)

kalis104 (991340) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613204)

I won't download anything from online unless its in lossless. Why have a good system and pump MP3s into it? I always use CDs in my car.

CD is already dead for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16613208)

Long live the vinyl LP!

Vinyl generally sounds better than CD, it's cheaper, and has proven to last a LONG time with reasonable treatment.

All I want is for CDs to be easy to rip (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613216)

Just stay out of my way and let me rip my music in peace. Additional 'features' are not of interest to me. All I care about is the music, and ease of transferring to my mp3 player.

what's the problem with current CDs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16613224)

That's right, I buy CDs just so that I can rip them and play them on my iPod.

So? I'm buying the CD. I want unencumbered two-channel audio of the highest quality I can find, and that means "Compact Disc." I like DVD-A for things good enough that I will sit down on my couch to listen, but mostly multichannel audio isn't that interesting. I don't like encumbered audio because I can't play it on my TiVo. I don't like low-quality encodings because they sound terrible.

I just want a CD.

If people are going to rip them, make it easier (1)

Coopjust (872796) | more than 7 years ago | (#16613236)

I think one of the reasons people buy music online is because it is easier. Now, here's what I would like to see: A) Cheaper CD's. Charging $9 on iTunes and $20 + Tax in person is ridiculous. B) Digital files that are ready to import with all metadata included, maybe even a copy utility. Put in drive, tell it where to put the files. Maybe even an autoimporter that makes a copy for iTunes. C) I would consider paying $20 if the album came with the music videos and remixes. Even DualDiscs are reasonable if there is a non DD version of the album. I like CD's because you get a physical, attractive product without DRM and it is easy to keep safe, as well as being of higher audio quality than 99% of downloads. Why do I like CDs? Because they don't treat me like a criminal. (I always make sure that the album has the compact disc logo; if it doesn't, the album may have DRM and that's usually why they don't put it.)
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