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Want To Know About the New Apple MacBook Pro?

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the timely-benchmarks dept.

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An anonymous reader writes to tell us about an extremely helpful user who is answering questions from all comers about the new MacBook Pro. "A few days ago, a user by the name 'bcavanau' posted on the macrumors.com forums that he had just picked up a new MacBook Pro. Forum members started asking him about features, specifications, and benchmarks. He was happy to oblige, posting responses to everyone's questions. Eventually the forum thread got out of hand, and he set up a website devoted to answering the questions. If you have a question that hasn't already been answered, email him at the address on the site. He is responding daily and sometimes within minutes. This guy is dedicated. Thanks 'bcavanau', you get two thumbs up." The link to the site is cached via the Coral Content Distribution Network.

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310 comments

Heat/Noise? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 7 years ago | (#16627900)

Can anyone get through to find out about heat/noise? Even the cache is down for me. I've got a Powerbook G4 (when they just added the sudden motion sensor) and while I like the laptop I would LOVE to be able to play recent games (as well as have the second core) but I'm a bit worried about the heat and noise of the new MacBook Pros. One of my favorite things about my G4 is that it stays relativly cool unless I'm really pushing it, and unless I have it's about dead silent. Even when the fans are on full (like during a 3D game) it's still rather quiet compared to the leaf-blowers that many laptops turn into.

So how is the situation with the Core 2 Duo MacBook Pros? Is it the same as the Core Duos, or is it better/worse?

I intend to upgrade, it would take quite a bit to stop me. That said, my laptop still works so I plan on holding out until Leopard comes out. I'm hoping there is another revision by then (just for the speed bump or price drop), but if not I'll still get Leopard free (since it will come preinstalled).

How about FreeDOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628000)

I need a machine to run FreeDOS. Does the new MacBook Pro support FreeDOS?

Re:How about FreeDOS? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628226)

I am pretty sure it could. Boot Camp may do the job. If not then some virtuaization software may do it. I know you were trying for a Funny mod but I decided to play the straight man. I am not sure though if freedos will be handle all the features. Like accessing the full drive size, all the memory, The native screen resolution. But that would the be the same problem you will get with any modern PC using a Core 2 Duo Processor.

Re:Heat/Noise? (4, Informative)

ThousandStars (556222) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628014)

Long story short is that the guy says the noise isn't a problem -- it sounds nearly silent -- and he doesn't have any comparisons heat-wise.

Re:Heat/Noise? (1)

flight_master (867426) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628194)

Hi,

I have one of the new Macbook Pros. They are silent, and generally stay pretty cool. I've had it get a bit 'warm' to the touch, but that's about it, and only after playing BzFlag for about an hour, with it on a soft surface...

Re:Heat/Noise? (0, Flamebait)

grammar fascist (239789) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628858)

I've had it get a bit 'warm' to the touch, but that's about it, and only after playing BzFlag for about an hour, with it on a soft surface...

The big question is, after it got "warm" on that "soft surface," are you still fertile?

Re:Heat/Noise? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628242)

If you want to know more about the Mac Book Pros I would suggest that you wait until people the Apple Stores have them stocked and Crazy people who bought them Tuesday (Like me) get them in. Expect mid November. For data to come out with different configurations.

hooplah (2, Interesting)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628596)

I'm a bit worried about the heat and noise of the new MacBook Pros.

I'm typing on a MBP "v1.0" and the only noise I hear is the hard drive- a quiet "whoosh". The fans at minimum speed (1000RPM) are completely inaudible. They are more progressive than the G4's which were pretty much an on/off switch.

As for heat? Every year I read whining about "how hot" the newest Powerbook is. It's all a bunch of shit (with the exception of the 12" Al Powerbook. That thing WAS an oven.) Component specs don't change- people just assume "oh, it's a gazillion times faster, it MUST run hotter!" Funny, but if you compare the new intel Minis to the old Minis- they use a few watts LESS power.

Right now it's sitting on my legs, I'm wearing jeans, and it isn't uncomfortable- smcfancontrol says it's 138 degrees F on the CPU die. When it's running too hot for comfort, I fire up smccontrol and bump the fans up to 1500rpm, where you can just barely hear them- and it cools things down by about ten degrees.

Re:hooplah (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628728)

I personally had no experience with Powerbooks (and really didn't give a damn about them) but I was shocked at how uncomfortably hot that the MacBook Pro got, even when it was just idling. I really objected to the idea that I simply had to put up with it. Even some twat suggested that I use some sort of shelf like iLap, which to me was a contradiction to said twat's claim that the MBP was a laptop. My Compaq never got nearly that warm. It wasn't hard to get the MBP core temperature up to 85 C / 185F. I never did get the surface temperature, but it got too hot for me to comfortably use in fifteen minutes from startup.

Now that smcFanControl exists, I permanently set the minimum to 2000RPM and it's only slightly warm. Even at 3000 RPM, it's not very loud. It really doesn't seem to move much more air, but I've noticed temperatures that were 20 C lower than when I changed the fan speed. Before that program was released, I regarded the MBP simply as a desktop replacement because it got way too warm to be used on a lap.

As an attorney... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16627902)

for one of the aggrieved parties, let me just say that Corel Cache is nothing short of the Denial of Service attack. I hope they are taken down. When is /. going to learn that you can't flood sites, steal music, or copy DVDs without repercussion?

Re:As an attorney... (1)

koreth (409849) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628492)

Wow, I'm glad my attorney isn't such a moron. The point of the Coral Cache (you know, with an "a" in the first word -- maybe you should learn its name if you're involved in litigation over it) is to avoid flooding sites with requests. By, you know, caching their contents. Just like the name says.

WUXGA (1)

crazyjeremy (857410) | more than 7 years ago | (#16627906)

Can the 15.4 inch version have a WUXGA screen?

Re:WUXGA (2, Informative)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628028)

Short answer: No. Only the 17" model has WUXGA resolution.

Re:WUXGA (1)

MioTheGreat (926975) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628050)

It's really a shame. WUXGA is beautiful on a 15.4" screen. (I have a HP nw8440 with a 15.4" screen and WUXGA.)

Yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628560)

Short answer: No. Only the 17" model has WUXGA resolution.

So that means I NEED the 17 inch model then!

Re:WUXGA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628152)

no, apple knows what resolution you want better than you do, and you don't want WUXGA on a 15"

Re:WUXGA (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628400)

It is not that. It is an issue of balancing usefulness and price. Apple never gives their customers to many options with perhaps the exception on the MacPros. First and primarily is because they can control their inventory and prices better with out a entire line of people making custom Systems. Thats Dells way not Apples. Now that Apple has this limitation they make the best of it by trying to balance what their customers want and need and afford. For Screens apple likes to stay in a range for DPI so things are not Huge on one computer or Tiny on an other computer. Putting WUXGA on a 15" Powerbook err umm.MacBook Pro can be to small for bulk of their users, As well make it to expensive. It is not about assuming that the people are dumb it is about making a product that appeals to the greatest possible population. The lower non-bleading edge display could save on cost of the system to avoid the MacBook Pros going into the $6000 range (Like the Maxed out Dells), as well there is the R&D time and release. Apple has never really been at the bleeding edge in technology they tend to use Leading edge technology that has proven itself. And if they use Bleading Edge stuff they tend not to advertise it much. Like the 802.11n which hasn't been standardized yet. While Dell Posts it like a badge of honor. Apples quality lies in supporting and using trusted technology. If you want the newest and best get a Dell. But if you want Newish and Tested put together right then go with apple.

Re:WUXGA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628764)

My 2GB Dell D820 with WUXGA was under $1800 with Dock and MS Office. Its not maxed out, but its pretty potent. Where did you get $6,000 from?

Can someone help me? (3, Interesting)

Salvance (1014001) | more than 7 years ago | (#16627910)

I'm not a regular Mac user, so I don't really understand the significance of this news story. Is publishing a few specs really news? I'd expect this on a Computer site like Tom's Hardware, but not on slashdot, so I'm wondering if there is some unstated greater significance.

From what I can find, this C2D is a laptop that Apple Stores started selling over the past couple days. If it's already out, what will it provide me that other Mac's won't?

Thanks!

Re:Can someone help me? (4, Informative)

MBCook (132727) | more than 7 years ago | (#16627972)

While they were put up for order on Tuesday, they haven't hit the street yet (as far as I know). You can't go buy them in stores right now (unless someone knows otherwise). So basically this person got their hands on the laptop early.

So why all the fuss? First, this is a Core 2 Duo so it is supposed to have better performance than the Core Duo models that were replaces (and it is supposed to run circles around my little Powerbook G4). But more importantly while the MacBook Pros were nice computers, there were quite a few complaints about the amount of heat they generate, noises (from the speaker/screen/who-knows). A lot of people (myself included) want to know if the laptops run as hot as the MacBook Pros did.

To the Mac community this is a bit like someone getting their hands on a Zune and answering people's questions when there is no information about the Zune but specs out there (which I realize is not quite the case, but it's an example).

Re:Can someone help me? (1)

Rascasse (719300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628338)

I was just at one of the Apple Stores in Toronto and they had all 15" Core 2 Duo models in stock ready to sell. Only the 17" model was out-of-stock. They did not have the new models on display though.

Re:Can someone help me? (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628036)

Sure,
It's nice to know that they still use the firmware heavily restricted optical drives. (For those of us who are regular Mac users, and still want to regularly watch multiregion DVDs.)

Re:Can someone help me? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628200)

Don't you understand? This is Apple! That makes it newsworthy. forget the fact that i'm already using a laptop with the same basic configuration in hardware... it has an HP logo on it and that makes all the difference in the world.

My god, you think by now you'd understand that this is fanboydot. they'll cover any little thing about linux or apple but anything outside of that is too mainstream and thus is for nothing but stuff suits and joe sixpack. we like the kool aid here, a lot.

get with it or be modded down "overrated" because most of those who still get mod points (ie. who've done the slashdot goose step) use this convenient little loophole in the moderators system even though CmdrDildo claims that he's working on getting this coded out... for the last three years.

It's the land of crap and hypocrisy.

Re:Can someone help me? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628444)

I think the significance is that this version of the MacBook Pro could be considered the Gen 2 (Or Gen 1.2) MacBook Pro and people want to know if enough has changed to make it considered a Gen 2 or 1.2 or just a 1.1. Apple likes to brag and use best case results while real world is normally a bit different. So the site was mostly seeing if apple fixed the old problems.

Why? (-1, Flamebait)

nat1192 (984954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16627926)

Apple needs to leave the software business at least where OSes are concerned. Now their hardware is a different story. Linux on a Mac is a nice and fun experience and now they have intels so it makes some things alot easier.

Re:Why? (5, Informative)

Simon Garlick (104721) | more than 7 years ago | (#16627982)

Are you on crack? OS X is the best UNIX I've ever used.

Re:Why? (0, Offtopic)

nat1192 (984954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628056)

No to your first question. Anyway I am a Linux evangelist so what do you expect from me? I'm only a carbon-based lifeform who hates Mac OS* and Windows(even though I am forced to use it). Oh crap: I'm going to be attacked by Mac OS and Windows fanatics. Please, don't hurt me!!! *Crys for an hour, dumps a gallon of Self-Esteem on himself, and goes to watch Doctor Phil*

Re:Why? (1, Insightful)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628076)

I think you're full of shit, and for the record I use neither MacOS nor Windows.

Re:Why? (1)

nat1192 (984954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628104)

No I'm not I just went to the bathroom 5 minutes ago.

Re:Why? (3, Funny)

Frumious Wombat (845680) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628154)

Oh, but you're so close to the edge... Give in, feel the evangalism, follow the One True Path. In your heart of hearts, you know that Linux is only a transient state, a ripple in the pool of computing, before the Hurd blossoms forth in all its glory. It is time. Give up Evangalism, and become a Prophet of Hurd!

Re:Why? (4, Funny)

Cylix (55374) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628326)

I can hear a WoW troll shouting -- "For The Hurd!"

Re:Why? (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628742)

Well, I hate Linux, so I'd much prefer Apple stay in the software AND hardware business... I just wish they'd hurry up and ship my goddamn Core 2 Duo Mac Pro :)

Re:Why? (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628062)

Agreed. Right now I'm listening to online radio with iTunes, fiddling with some build errors in XCode, toying around in the shell ftp'ing a file that a build script failed to fetch, sharing a file with my roommate (who runs Windows) across the LAN using HTTP (as opposed to SMB), and looking at my Monday appointments in iCal. All of this functionality out of the box - it is bar none the best 'nix I've ever used (and continue to use).

Re:Why? (1)

IntergalacticWalrus (720648) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628814)

Agreed. Right now I'm listening to online radio with iTunes, fiddling with some build errors in XCode, toying around in the shell ftp'ing a file that a build script failed to fetch, sharing a file with my roommate (who runs Windows) across the LAN using HTTP (as opposed to SMB), and looking at my Monday appointments in iCal. All of this functionality out of the box - it is bar none the best 'nix I've ever used (and continue to use).

OK, I'm probably going to get modded "troll" or "flamebait" for this but this is a legitimate question... Is this supposed to be funny or something? All of this functionality is also available out of the box on basically any Linux distribution (with differently named applications of course). If OS X is "the best 'nix [you]'ve ever used" then please tell us why, I'm still waiting for real reasons.

Re:Why? (1)

Inoshiro (71693) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628254)

"Are you on crack? OS X is the best UNIX I've ever used."

Yea, it's wicked, except for the MM performance, VFS performance, POSIX ommisions (RT scheduling requires MACH proprietary APIs!), and fact that on my Core Duo I can freeze the UI when doing an import in iPhoto from a USB card reader.

It's a dual-core CPU, why should the VFS lock up both CPUs?

If I could run the Linux kernel with the MacOS X userland, I'd be happy.

Re:Why? (1)

ThousandStars (556222) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628688)

OS X is the best UNIX I've ever used.

Best for what? If OS X is the best UNIX you've ever used for, say, database hosting, then it's probably the only UNIX you've ever used.

Re:Why? (1)

SpacePirate20X6 (935718) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628090)

Clearly you've never used any of Apple's applications. The applications included in Mac OS X, iLife, and iWork are simply amazing, intuitive pieces of software... This MacBook Pro wouldn't be the same if I were just running Windows.

~ SP

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628176)

Eh iDVD does make it easy, but the menu creation system is crap, or at least i think it is. Can't move menus from one branch to another, you basically have to remake the entire menu.

Re:Why? (1)

thelost (808451) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628128)

That's the most amusing comment I've seen on slashdot in a long time - someone please mod this guy up +1 funny. I think you are the only person who has ever said Apple should stop writing software not making hardware. Needless to say I wholeheartedly support Apple making more versions of Mac OS X which is a wonderful operating system.

Re:Why? (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628190)

...and in the last Apple article, there were people claiming Apple needed to leave the hardware business and stick to software. Poor Apple. I'm sure a tear falls from Steve Jobs' cheek over the fact he can't please both sides as he signs another record earnings statement.

Hardware DRM (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16627932)

Is Apple still including hardware DRM (AKA treacherous computing) in all its new Macs? If so, why would any self-respecting technically aware user buy a machine that has been so hobbled?

Re:Hardware DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628100)

Is Apple still including hardware DRM (AKA treacherous computing) in all its new Macs? If so, why would any self-respecting technically aware user buy a machine that has been so hobbled?
perhaps because their implementation does not place any restrictions on the owner of the hardware? dont like osx? fine, install freebsd on it. nobody is stopping you. troll

Re:Hardware DRM (2, Informative)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628202)

Mac OS X requires no serial number or activation. It's really quite nice. Compared to Vista and its high prices, draconian EULA, separate purchase required for 64-bit support, and bloated system requirements, Leopard makes Vista look amateur.

Re:Hardware DRM (1)

TFer_Atvar (857303) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628240)

Bigger targets require more invasive security. It's why your average missile silo has better defenses than the police station down the street. There's a bigger "reward" for breaching the security, so although both do their jobs well, one simply requires more defenses because of its nature and its "importance." The same arguments can be made for Firefox/IE7 security. (Relative) anonymity is perhaps the most important layer of security.

Re:Hardware DRM (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628530)

Actually, I suspect it's more to do with the fact that Apple makes most of its money on the hardware, so it can be more lax when it comes to OS X copyright protection because you've already paid them for the computer. OS X has at least 15% worldwide install base with 18 million users according to IDC, and Macs are highly prevalent in academic institutions (half of the machines sold at both Princeton and Harvard are Macs according to their campus stores), so it's not like there's no juicy target.

Re:Hardware DRM (1)

TFer_Atvar (857303) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628842)

I won't argue that they're prevalent in academic environments... I'm here at Virginia Tech, home of the big Apple supercomputer, and they're pretty ubiquitous here as well. But you're talking almost two orders of magnitude different in terms of numbers.

Re:Hardware DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628700)

And that's why all Hondas ship with a super high-tech security system called a "key."

Re:Hardware DRM (1)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628674)

wouldn't that "no activation, etc" be because of the hardware drm (tpm if I remember right?) that keeps you from running OS-X on non-apple hardware. thus if you are running OS-X it's because you had to pay for the hardware, with which the os is bundled.

Re:Hardware DRM (1)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628780)

"Hobbled"? It's obvious you're talking out of your ass.

Do you have any evidence that Apple is using TPM to restrict your rights on new Intel Macs? No, of course you don't.

I own an Intel Mac and it doesn't prevent me from doing any of the things I was doing before.

Maybe, just maybe, Apple adopted the TPM module because they want to prevent people from running OS X on commodity hardware. That was the override and exclusive motivation behind the move. Unless you have strong evidence to the contrary, I'll continue to believe that's the true nature of Apple's motivation.

Re:Hardware DRM (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628820)

The machine doesn't seem to be hobbled. The OS won't run on non-Mac hardware, but you can run just about any modern x86 OS on the Macs.

Besides, TPM itself isn't evil; it's only a tool. It can be used for good or evil, just like a hammer, debugger, or decss.

Re:Hardware DRM (1)

IntergalacticWalrus (720648) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628834)

Besides, TPM itself isn't evil; it's only a tool. It can be used for good or evil, just like a hammer, debugger, or decss.

But unlike a hammer, a debugger, or DeCSS, TPM cannot be used for good. At all. So yes, it really is evil.

Re:Hardware DRM (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628872)

Simply untrue.

TPM can be used as a way to sign binaries from the bootloader all the way through the OS and its libraries. You can, in theory, guarantee that your OS has not been compromised. This can even be done with Linux, though it would make replacing binaries a little more difficult. The tradeoff in security may be worth it to some people.

So yes, TPM can be used for good. You're just assuming that only closed-source vendors would ever possibly use it. Google for Bruce Potter and TPM--he opened my eyes at Defcon on this particular subject.

MagSafe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16627974)

There are plenty of 3rd-party support for the old Powerbook power plug. How are people dealing with the Magsafe connector when it won't plug into external batteries and various other things like the iGo? I have found places that will butcher the power cord and stick in a Thinkpad male-female combination to make it compatible with stuff, but it seems rather drastic that the first thing I'll have to do to a new MBP is cut the cord and start soldering stuff.

Temperatures (3, Informative)

Rugikiki (948563) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628006)

For those asking that can't make it to the site, at idle both CPU cores are at 123.8 F, and the hard drive is at 100.4 F.

It's a shame (4, Insightful)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628096)

That the MBP doesn't have:

* An option for a 7200rpm hard disk (except the "aircraft carrier" model
* A option for a faster video card
* Higher screen resolution
* A docking station
* A 12"-ish variant

Personally I consider these significant omissions for a machine touted as being a top-of-the-line "Professional" laptop.

On the flipside, it's *great* to see Apple throwing in 2G RAM standard, except in the bottom-end model.

On the wishlist, I'd _love_ to see a laptop that can drive two external screens.

(I'll probably still get work to buy me one, though, then I can get my OS X fix on someone else's tab.)

Re:It's a shame (4, Insightful)

dal20402 (895630) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628246)

Don't worry too much about the 7200rpm drive for now. I have one in my first generation MBP, and wouldn't get it if I were buying today.

The density of the 160GB 5400rpm model, which wasn't available in quantity when the first generation MBP came out, is high enough that performance is really, really close to the 100GB 7200rpm models. My MBP averages about 44MB/s write flat-out... the Seagate 5400.3, according to this [linuxhardware.org] , will do over 41. Read speeds are similarly close. If you're really pushing the disk subsystem so hard that you'll notice that difference, do yourself a favor and use the new FW800 port.

When Seagate finally ships its 160GB 7200.2 results may be different. I'm buying one of those for my existing MBP as soon as they ship.

I second the request for 1680x1050. (1920x1200 would just be too much on 15.4".) The faster video cards would probably cause heat issues; all the laptops available with them are thicker and heavier.

For the 12" the MacBook, unlike what we're used to with iBooks, is a legitimate performer unless you need 3D graphics. I'd like an even smaller model, and the option for discrete graphics in the black MB.

What I really want can't be provided by Apple... a fast 320GB notebook drive. That would change my life.

Re:It's a shame (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628298)

The density of the 160GB 5400rpm model, which wasn't available in quantity when the first generation MBP came out, is high enough that performance is really, really close to the 100GB 7200rpm models. My MBP averages about 44MB/s write flat-out... the Seagate 5400.3, according to this, will do over 41. Read speeds are similarly close. If you're really pushing the disk subsystem so hard that you'll notice that difference, do yourself a favor and use the new FW800 port.

It's the latency benefit I'm more interested in that transfer rates.

I second the request for 1680x1050. (1920x1200 would just be too much on 15.4".) The faster video cards would probably cause heat issues; all the laptops available with them are thicker and heavier.

The heat issues from faster video cards could be easily handled (IMHO) with dynamic clock adjustment.

For the 12" the MacBook, unlike what we're used to with iBooks, is a legitimate performer unless you need 3D graphics. I'd like an even smaller model, and the option for discrete graphics in the black MB.

Unfortunately the Black MB does _not_ have a discrete video card. Why Apple didn't do that, with the perfect opportunity for distinction via the colour and otherwise inexplicable higher price - especially when they must have known there would be no 12" PB replacement - is a bit of a mystery.

What I really want can't be provided by Apple... a fast 320GB notebook drive. That would change my life.

I must admit I've never seen the point of huge amounts of local storage in a laptop (or any standalone PC, for that matter). If you want lots of space, you're far better off putting it into a separate machine.

Re:It's a shame (1)

dal20402 (895630) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628390)

I must admit I've never seen the point of huge amounts of local storage in a laptop (or any standalone PC, for that matter). If you want lots of space, you're far better off putting it into a separate machine.

My life for the foreseeable future requires lots of longish trips and some boring time in hotel rooms. I'd be totally happy if I could 1) load Logic Pro and my several GB of associated stuff; 2) have a few spare GB for a Windows partition; 3) bring my whole music/video collection along without either just choosing "greatest hits" or having to explain for the 2000th time to the TSA that no, my external hard drive is NOT a bomb (as well as tote the extra few pounds and cables around).

Re:It's a shame (1)

dal20402 (895630) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628712)

Just add one </i>... the preview button is our friend.

Re:It's a shame (1)

jericho4.0 (565125) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628436)

1920x1200 would just be too much on 15.4""

Way overkill. That's why I want a MBP with EGA graphics and 8-bit sound.

Re:It's a shame (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628840)

I use 1920x1200 on a 15.4" screen (Dell Precision M70.) I have no problems with it. Font sizes are adjustable, so if I'm having problems reading something, I can just crank it up. I'd rather have the option for better resolution than not. Unfortunately, that'e never been an area where Apple excelled--they tend to cater strictly to the median user.

I'd buy a MBB today if they suddenly released one with 1920x1200, and going to 1680xwhatever on the 15" would really make me consider one.

Re:It's a shame (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628294)

* An option for a 7200rpm hard disk (except the "aircraft carrier" model

Heh, I like that. Though I usually refer to them as "TV dinner trays".

Re:It's a shame (1)

diamondsw (685967) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628826)

The hard drive is indeed a shame, as my older MacBook Pro has a 7200rpm drive. That alone helps me avoid too much envy of the newer models.

Re:It's a shame (2, Informative)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628846)

* An option for a 7200rpm hard disk (except the "aircraft carrier" model

Apparently, the 160gb (5400 rpm) and 200gb (4200 rpm) drives use PMR [wikipedia.org] . Someone on the forums over at macrumors linked to a benchmark, apparently the 5400 rpm PMR drives are faster than traditional 7200 rpm drives.

* A option for a faster video card

I think the form factor has a lot to do with this. I don't know that they could squeeze an X1700/X1800 or GeForce Go 7800/7900 in the current form factor, and I don't think enough customers would want them to justify the increased size. Really, I don't see such cards being useful for anyone but gamers (is it really going to make that big a different in Final Cut Pro, Motion, or Aperture?), and gamers really should look elsewhere. Really don't know why anyone would want to do serious gaming on a laptop anyway, but that's just me.

* Higher screen resolution

Would definitely like to see this. Leopard is apparently going to support a resolution-independent UI, so you can make the widgets as big or as small as you want. That's just begging for an ultra-high resolution display.

* A docking station

BookEndz [bookendzdocks.com] makes some port replicators, but they're really not that impressive. I think thats probably the one feature I'd like to see Apple add to the MacBook lines.

* A 12"-ish variant

The MacBook is so close. Discreet graphics are all it needs (though an ExpressCard slot would probably be nice, too). Maybe when Intel's Santa Rosa platform comes out next year.

All that said, I ordered mine, and I can't wait to receive it :)

Re:It's a shame (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628934)

BookEndz makes some port replicators, but they're really not that impressive.

Particularly considering the price. That's some serious money for a device that could only described as "barely adequate".

Re:It's a shame (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628952)

Agreed. The MacBook (non-Pro) port replicators they have don't seem too bad (though seriously lacking in the aesthetics department), but the MacBook Pro port models are huge. And as you said, the price is outrageous.

Extending the battery life with C2d Macbookpro? (1)

Leontes (653331) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628126)

Which is the better 15" macbookpro for battery life?

I'm deciding in purchasing between the faster and slower macbookpro's: Does the faster one drain the battery noticibly faster, or is there better power management with the more expensive computer? If I know I'll be using the computer without access to a wall socket for longer periods: is it smarter to go with the slower computer?

Re:Extending the battery life with C2d Macbookpro? (1)

dal20402 (895630) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628300)

Don't know about the C2D models, but my 2.16 CD MBP gets slightly worse life than a friend's 1.83 version. SpeedStep apparently won't slow down the processor quite as far.

The difference is very small though... with the faster processor and my 7200rpm drive it's about 15 minutes. They are claiming slightly improved life for the C2D version, but all CD MBP's get pretty terrible battery life. MacBooks are better, if you can live without a graphics card and with a smaller screen.

Re:Extending the battery life with C2d Macbookpro? (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628324)

My solution to this is get a 2nd battery and a 2nd power adapter. I keep the one adapter in my bag and the other at my desk. This way I am not always dorking around with the power pack anytime I move my computer. (is it really worth it to crawl under there again and unplug it, will I really need it today at work? - inevetably the day you don't take it is the day you need it) The second battery gives me anywhere from 4-7 hrs of total battery time depending on what I'm doing, and I full cyclone and swap batteries monthly to keep them both charged and conditioned.

I've done this with the last three laptops I've owned and I've never regretted it.

There are also free CPU tools you can buy that will, among other things, turn one of the two cores off, on the fly. That, together with enabling processor cycling in energysaver, will probably double your battery life if you really need it to last. No need to get a whole new computer to get decent battery life.

Re:Extending the battery life with C2d Macbookpro? (1)

sokoban (142301) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628548)

There are utilities to underclock and undervolt MBPs. I don't know if there is a Core 2 Duo one available yet, but http://www.coolbook.se/CoolBook.html [coolbook.se] has one.

How about Debunking... (1)

ericdano (113424) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628158)

How about Debunking that tool, Rob Enderle and his "article" [business2.com] . Or articles. Hell, just debunk the fool. I seriously question how this guy makes a living with his totally inaccurate stories.

Why reinvent the wheel? (1)

Rytr23 (704409) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628180)

I beleive Apple.com has info on the laptop... and it can handle the slashdot\digg effect...

Re:Why reinvent the wheel? (1)

niteice (793961) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628334)

It doesn't have real-world performance data.

Want To Know About the New Apple MacBook Pro? (5, Funny)

CCFreak2K (930973) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628238)

Want To Know About the New Apple MacBook Pro?

No.

(Disclaimer: I did not put the "no" tag on.)

Bias, I cry! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628288)

Why didn't Slashdot link to my extensive review, with pictures and benchmarks, of the brand-new 12-inch Dell Inspiron e690 with the free Dell DJ Ditty mp3 player and Genuine(tm) Microsoft(tm) Windows(tm) XP(tm) Home Edition(tm)?

Because they're tools? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628344)

Sucking the cock of a corporation is really the lowest circle of whore hell.

Fake (?) (1)

donaldGuy (969269) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628314)

Am I the only one who sees quite obvious signs of image manipulation ("photoshop"ing) on the "About this Mac" Dialog around the Processor part..?

I was apt to believe it from the large amount of info, but that sets up a major read flag.

Re:Fake (?) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628378)

I think you're just seeing artifacts from the image compression.

Re:Fake (?) (1)

whogben (919335) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628600)

Those are obvious signs of image compression, not photoshopping :p

fucK!? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628370)

Slashdot really going down hill... (-1, Offtopic)

William_Lee (834197) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628386)

It's a pretty sad day when this type of "news" makes the front page of /. How is this story worthy of the front page, even for Mac fans?! I have to believe the editors can do better than this...

Re:Slashdot really going down hill... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628472)

What is more interesting I was trying to search Slashdot archives for the release of the Powerbook G4 Titanium Back in 2001. To no avail. It seemed back that the Powerbook wasn't nerdy enough news. And now any product blip by Apple get a lot of attention. I guess it is the sign of the times.

Information the manufacturer should provide? (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628424)

A lot of this is stuff the manufacturer already provides, but in addition to that I think this is specifically a service the manufacturer could provide. Imagine being able to drop a message on a Dell website asking a specific question about how one of their computers runs a specific program and them giving you detailed results within 24 hours. That'd be pretty cool.

Q: Dell, I'd like to run Microsoft Flight Sim on an XPS 700 with three 30" displays. Can you give me the frame rate on that?

New tag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628428)

This entire truly deserved the tag "AppleSpam"

god bless this man!!!! (1)

musikit (716987) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628430)

thank you!!! to the person who posted this article and to the person who owns the website!!! i just bought a mac book pro and was driving myself nuts trying to get the wlan to work. very much appreciated.

Why isn't it smaller? (3, Insightful)

weave (48069) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628474)

I have a 667 Mhz 12" G4 Powerbook that I adore and have been using for four years now. It goes with me everywhere, I can open it (barely) on a tray table in a coach seat on a plane, it works well on a bus, train, etc. It goes everywhere with me -- cause it is a decent size and works well. I don't need/want 15" and the 13.3" macbooks are still too big for what I want. :(

I was just at a "Sony Style" Store today and their smaller Vaio notebooks look real sweet. Just increase the DPI of the resolution and it cram into a smaller form factor please. Not all of us are blind.

I hate Apple's new laptop attitude that "pro" means huge.

Re:Why isn't it smaller? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628566)

HEAR HEAR! Apple, PLEASE make a 12" Pro version to replace our 12" Powerbooks!!

still waiting to buy,
Los Angeles

Re:Why isn't it smaller? (1)

Pink Tinkletini (978889) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628738)

I third that motion. The smallest MBP is still too big, and the regular MB's keyboard sucks. While we're at it, please bring back the PowerBook name.

This is retarded (1)

Asrynachs (1000570) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628522)

What kind of retard cares that much about the specs of a computer?!

I tell you I'm starting to agree with Macleans.

Re:This is retarded (1)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628694)

It is kind of funny. There's one and only one thing I care about with regards to the Mac laptops. When are they going to make one with a larger keyboard? I saw one of these new Macbooks the other day in the Mac store. Great looking machine. Only problem is there is like 3 inches of wasted space on each side of the keyboard that they could have used to make the keyboard more comfortable. Instead they chose to make the keys smaller. Good going, Apple! That fixes it.

Sorry, but it can run 100% cooler, be twice as fast and all I care about is that the ergonomics suck on it for me. I really want to buy one badly. I have $1500+ with Apple's name on it if they'd just produce a keyboard that was the size of many Windows-based laptop keyboards. My current notebook that I use for my writing and writing workshops is a Compaq Presario. Not the greatest laptop in the world. Heavy, unweildy, definitely not a Mac. But it cost $600 and I don't get hand cramps when my larger than normal hands touch the keyboard. Fix the keyboard, Apple and you could throw a freaking sub 1Ghz processor in there for all I care.

Performance (Xbench) and Apple's claim of 7x speed (2, Informative)

parkerpress (1019714) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628590)

I've heard that Apple is claiming that the new Core2 Duo is 7 times faster than the old "top of the line" 1.67Ghz PowerBook. But comparing the XBench output that was posted earlier to an XBench run that I just ran (see below my signature) shows only a 2x increase in almost every single category (there was one or two that were about 2.5 times higher).

But nowhere near 7 times.

How can they make such a claim? I could understand missing by a few percentage points, but their claim is WAY off reality.

And, yes, I have the same amount of memory and the same OS that was used on the new tests.... The only difference was physical hardware.

Steve

Results 51.32
System Info
Xbench Version 1.3
System Version 10.4.8 (8L127)
Physical RAM 2048 MB
Model PowerBook5,6
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 1.67 GHz
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 512K @ 1.67 GHz
Bus Frequency 167 MHz
Video Card ATY,RV360M11
Drive Type Hitachi HTS541010G9AT00
CPU Test 70.93
GCD Loop 139.85 7.37 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 48.47 1.15 Gflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 288.78 11.51 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 51.03 1.68 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 50.90 8.86 Mops/sec
Thread Test 71.85
Computation 68.48 1.39 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 75.57 3.25 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 39.47
System 35.49
Allocate 131.05 481.25 Kalloc/sec
Fill 35.04 1703.52 MB/sec
Copy 20.67 427.03 MB/sec
Stream 44.46
Copy 49.15 1015.26 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 50.02 1033.46 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 42.70 909.66 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 38.14 815.87 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 69.74
Line 60.56 4.03 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 69.55 20.77 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 71.08 5.79 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 78.81 1.99 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 71.21 4.45 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 85.41
Spinning Squares 85.41 108.35 frames/sec
User Interface Test 42.00
Elements 42.00 192.75 refresh/sec
Disk Test 30.13
Sequential 46.59
Uncached Write 46.44 28.52 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 45.47 25.73 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 45.28 13.25 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 49.40 24.83 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 22.26
Uncached Write 7.66 0.81 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 53.00 16.97 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 59.94 0.42 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 73.81 13.70 MB/sec [256K blocks]

Re:Performance (Xbench) and Apple's claim of 7x sp (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628922)

Because Apple cherry picks the test results they publish on their web site. It seems the 7 times performance improvement claim strictly relates to SPEC benchmarks.

1. Testing conducted by Apple in October 2006 using preproduction MacBook Pro units with Core 2 Duo; MacBook Pro with Core Duo and PowerBook G4 systems were shipping units. *On a 2.33GHz Core 2 Duo-based MacBook Pro, Logic Pro showed a 45% performance improvement, playing 240 reverb plug-ins, compared to 165 reverb plug-ins played on a 2.16GHz Core Duo MacBook Pro. MacBook Pro continuously monitors system thermal and power conditions, and may adjust processor speed as needed to maintain optimal system operation.
      2. Estimated SPECint_rate_base2000 score: 6.6 for 1.67GHz PowerBook G4, 48.4 for 2.33GHz Core 2 Duo system and 34.8 for 2.16GHz Core Duo system. Estimated SPECfp_rate_base2000 score: 4.9 for 1.67GHz PowerBook G4, 37.1 for 2.33GHz Core 2 Duo system and 27.6 for 2.16GHz Core Duo system. SPEC®, SPECfp, and SPECint are registered trademarks of the Standard Performance Evaluation Corporation (SPEC); see www.spec.org for more information.

64 Bit Support? (3, Interesting)

tji (74570) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628610)

I sent Brian a question (shortly before he got "Slashdotted") about whether the new MacBook Pros supported 64 bit mode. He was kind enough to compile and run the little 'sizeof' program I sent him and respond about the output..

The announcements and marketing information about the new MBP's was conspicuously absent of any mention of the 64 bit support of the new Merom / Core 2 Duo processor. This is strange because both the Mac Pro and the iMac specifically mention their 64 bit support.

There is a lot of contradictory information floating around about the state of 64 bit support on the Intel Macs. So, I asked him to compile an app to show the sizeof a long int and pointer. The output showed 4 Bytes / 32 bits.

So, this is curious... Does x86 Tiger not support 64 bit mode? But, people have done tests on 32 bit vs. 64 bit on intel Macs ( http://www.geekpatrol.ca/blog/150/ [geekpatrol.ca] ). So, why is the MBP different than the iMac, which uses the same processor and chipset?

Anyone have more definitive information on 64 bit support for this new MacBook Pro? Or for x86 Tiger, the new iMacs and Mac Pro's?

Also, before all the "64 bit support is pointless" replies; yes, I know it can only handle 3GB of RAM. I know the benefits of 64 bit will not be dramatic (I already have two Linux boxes running Athlon64's in 64 bit mode). I'm just curious whether all the features of the processor can be used. I also want the performance benefit of doubling the number of general purpose processors and 64 bit math. And, since Leopard is supposed to have much better 64 bit support, I want to see where this MacBook Pro will stand.

Re:64 Bit Support? (1)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628784)

AFAIK on 10.4 only the PPC version is 64-bit. We'll have to wait till 10.5 for 64bit mode on x86, right now it runs in 32-bit.

Re:64 Bit Support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628796)

Try adding "-arch ppc64" to your compiler flags.

Re:64 Bit Support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16628896)

Tiger has a 64 bit kernel, whereas Leopard will have a 64 bit userspace as well.

Re:64 Bit Support? (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628920)

64-bit is only supported if the app is compiled against a few specific libraries (I forget which ones). Any other apps will behave as 32-bit. I'm not sure if the next OS X release will change this.

Re:64 Bit Support? (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628940)

The geekpatrol blog you referenced in your post did some MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo [geekpatrol.ca] benchmarking, and they tested in both 32-bit and 64-bit mode. So it seems to me that they support it.

Hats o' gold, thanks to your friends at /. (3, Insightful)

mactari (220786) | more than 7 years ago | (#16628794)

Eventually the forum thread got out of hand, and he set up a website devoted to answering the questions. If you have a question that hasn't already been answered, email him at the address on the site. He is responding daily and sometimes within minutes. This guy is dedicated.

And thanks to slashdot, maybe those Google Ads he's added to his answers will bring him a few bucks he wouldn't have made on the "out of hand" macrumors forum.

Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with cashing in -- macrumors' forum isn't exactly ad-free either -- but I'm not real sure how making your own website to answer questions makes slashdot. If he'd taken it apart, upgraded the processor, or found out that there's something inside we hadn't heard of, well, telling us about that is possibly post worthy. Right now, this story is just hardware.slashdot.org-as-billboard.

One of the incredible bits of insight from the site:
Q: What can you tell me about the battery?
A: Not a whole lot. Made in China (what isn't), Model # A1175, Li-ion.


Wow.

Save yourself some time, and skip directly to pictures of Sudan [googlesyndication.com] or Christian Wife Pictures [googlesyndication.com] . Not joking.
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