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Upgrading to Ubuntu Edgy Eft a "Nightmare"

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the you-have-been-warned dept.

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Theovon writes, "It's only been two days since the announcement of the official release of Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), and the fallout has been very interesting to watch. By and large, fresh installs of Edgy tend to go well. Many people report improved performance over Dapper, improved stability, better device support, etc. A good showing. But what I find really interesting is the debacle that it has been for people who wanted to do an 'upgrade' from Dapper (6.06). Installing OS upgrades has historically been fraught with problems, but previous Ubuntu releases, many other Linux distros, and MacOS X have done surprisingly well in the recent past. But not Edgy." Read on for the rest of Theovon's detailed report.

Reports are flooding in to Ubuntu's Installation & Upgrades forum from people having myriad problems with their upgrades. One user described it as a 'nightmare.' Users are producing detailed descriptions of problems but getting little help. This thread has mixed reports and is possibly the most interesting read. Many people report that straightforward upgrades of relatively mundane systems go well, but anything the least bit interesting seems not to have been accounted for, like software RAID, custom kernels, and Opera. Even the official upgrade method doesn't work for everyone, including crashes of the upgrade tool in the middle of installing, leaving systems unbootable, no longer recognizing devices (like the console keyboard!), reduced performance, X server crashes, wireless networking problems, the user password no longer working, numerous broken applications, and many even stranger things. Some of this is fairly subjective, with Kubuntu being a bit more problematic than Ubuntu, with reports that Xubuntu seems to have the worst problems, and remote upgrades are something you don't even want to try. Failed upgrades invariably require a complete reinstall. The conclusion from the street, about upgrading to Edgy, is a warning: If you're going to try to take the plunge, be sure to make a backup image of your boot partition before starting the upgrade. Your chances of having the upgrade be a total failure are high. If you're really dead-set on upgrading, you'll save yourself a lot of time and headache by backing up all of your personal files manually and doing a fresh install (don't forget to save your bookmarks!).

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Network problem. (1, Interesting)

MartinG (52587) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630318)

I've done a fresh install of edgy on my laptop and the network device does not get set up. Previously with dapper it was fine. I now have to do "sudo dhclient eth0" manually. I can't really complain though, since I haven't even raised it as a bug yet.

use gentoo and never do another dist upgrade again (0, Troll)

t35t0r (751958) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630334)

use gentoo and never do another dist upgrade again

Re:use gentoo and never do another dist upgrade ag (1, Flamebait)

t35t0r (751958) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630386)

yes ..i completely understand the pain of truth

Re:use gentoo and never do another dist upgrade ag (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630412)

use gentoo and never do another dist upgrade again

By the time gentoo is done compiling ubuntu will have released another version with all the bugs fixed.

Re:use gentoo and never do another dist upgrade ag (3, Informative)

livingdeadline (884462) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630744)

Or, use another never-ending distro such as the usually not so unstable debian unstable and testing. Quite bleeding edge, and a personal desktop with either of these simply won't take as much time to keep running as gentoo.

Re:use gentoo and never do another dist upgrade ag (1)

smallfries (601545) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630446)

Oddly I know of quite a few people who are planning on dumping Gentoo and switching to Ubuntu. The main reason is the pain of switching "profiles", which is not really supported in Gentoo and can be considered the same as a dist upgrade. The recent modular X headache is another reason, especially when it forces a profile switch to avoid a broken system.

Re:use gentoo and never do another dist upgrade ag (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630664)

In my opinion, both disribs have issues, but I still prefer gentoo despite de fact that it is somewhat more compicated to manage than Ubuntu. So why is that ?

Because with Gentoo, I write the config files myself, and in fact i HAVE to, in most cases.
The consequence is that I know how everything works and most issues are resolved quickly ( well it fells quick anyway ).

I also use Ubuntu on my laptop, and when something breaks, it's much harder to get to the source of the problem.

This may seem like a mad idea, but I would certainly like ubuntu to be less dependent on graphical administration tools. The problem may be that Ubuntu hides to much from the user, even if he is an administrator.

stop me if this is nonsense ...

Re:use gentoo and never do another dist upgrade ag (2, Insightful)

smallfries (601545) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630766)

Not nonsense really. It makes sense to me, which is why I still use Gentoo. There is something reassuring abount a set of command-line tools and forums. Too often a system is borked up too badly to get into the graphical tool. Hmm, actually that might just be my system...

Re:use gentoo and never do another dist upgrade ag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630710)

Switching profiles is nothing like dist-upgrading. All it requires is changing a symlink, and then running 'emerge world' to see if anything changes have been made, which generally haven't.

Don't confuse the modular X 'headache' into this discussion either, if you read the guide, it was a piece of cake.

Re:use gentoo and never do another dist upgrade ag (0)

smallfries (601545) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630758)

Oh yeah? Tried to "upgrade" from x86 to amd64?

The modular X headache wasn't too bad on x86 and only took a couple of hours. It is practically unsupported on ~amd64...

Gentoo is why I switched to Ubuntu! (2, Interesting)

Theovon (109752) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630454)

Gentoo was an even bigger nightmare of manual updating of configuration scripts and bizarre breakages whenever I would do updates. Don't even get me started.

Re:Gentoo is why I switched to Ubuntu! (4, Interesting)

also-rr (980579) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630756)

Gentoo was an even bigger nightmare of manual updating of configuration scripts and bizarre breakages whenever I would do updates. Don't even get me started.

Oh, indeed. I have a

Powerbook, 100% up to date against Edgy Eft. Total time spend fixing upgrade bugs: 5 minutes.
Workstation, 100% up to date against Dapper Drake. Total time spent fixing upgrade bugs: 2 minutes.
Home server, 100% up to date against Gentoo. Total time spent fixing upgrade bugs: 966,352 subjective years.

Despite that there are many reasons to use Gentoo instead of Kubuntu - after all if you wanted the easy life you wouldn't be using Linux in the first place.

No probs for me. (3, Informative)

c0l0 (826165) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630354)

I upgraded about 10 boxes or so from Dapper to Edgy - mostly Kubuntu, though, but in various stages of progress for Edgy's release cycle sind Knot 1 - (Edgy is a really nice distro at last, Dapper held many more small annoyances for me, personally) via apt (`sed -i "s/dapper/edgy/" /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade`) and had no problems whatsoever. In fact, everything worked out a lot smoother than I had expected. So it may have been "a nightmare" _for some_ (how can upgrading a BROWSER turn out a nightmare? At least when there's a working functional equivalent still left on the box...), but upgrading to Edgy is not a nightmare _in general._

Give it a try, I say. You won't be dissappointed.

Re:No probs for me. (1)

cralewyth (934970) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630556)

Here's the point: The "unstable" knot releases of ubuntu were STABLE. When they "released" edgy eft, BANG! Big problems.

Sounds weird, but this seems to be the fact; I updated to the knot releases fine on one computer, and to the actual release on another computer. knot was fine. stable was... and still is... a nightmare.

Re:No probs for me. (1)

benplaut (993145) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630558)

It's very odd. I've used all ubuntu dev and stables since warty stable, and it seems, from reading (haven't used edgy), that dapper alphas were more stable than edgy final...

Granted, it is an `edgy' dev release, but there seem to be way more problems than anyone expected.

I'm happy with rolling release (Arch) for now... the family desktop will not be upgrading to edgy, however.

Re:No probs for me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630576)

The place where I work relies on AFS, which is based on a kernel module. This module no longer compiles in Edgy. Actually, no kernel module compiles in Edgy at all, except for those shipped with the standard kernel. It seems that they somehow broke the configuration process of third-party modules by introducing a too new kernel...

So it seems this release was not that much tested. I would prefer having better releases even if falling behind schedule a few months. Drapper was worth waiting in this respect.

Re:No probs for me. (1)

CodeDragon (987401) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630586)

I've done three boxes now, two desktops and a laptop, and had no problems. One of the desktops had been upgraded from Breezy to Dapper and as such I expected there to be some issues but it went as smoothly as I could have wished for.

The key, I think, was in cleaning the crap (and un-upgradeable packages) off the box by getting the results of apt-show-versions | grep 'No available' | awk '{ print $1 }' (i.e. all packages with no repository entry) and removing them before starting. That and having a good backup.

Upgrades are always going to be problematic, but I'd wager that eight out of ten problems are the result of not preparing for the upgrade properly before starting. That the system chokes on something it isn't expecting half way through might not always be the fault of the system itself. After all, there's only so much it can plan for.

Yep, bull. (-1, Troll)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630594)

Ubuntu is apt-based. Contrary the the "OS upgrades are typically fraught with trouble" claims of the article, upgrades for debian-like systems are usually flawless -- people do them on a DAILY basis with debian sid and (k)ubuntu's development versions, never mind once every 6 months or so. This article is FUD.

Re:Yep, bull. (4, Insightful)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630754)

Ubuntu is apt-based. Contrary the the "OS upgrades are typically fraught with trouble" claims of the article, upgrades for debian-like systems are usually flawless -- people do them on a DAILY basis with debian sid and (k)ubuntu's development versions, never mind once every 6 months or so. This article is FUD.

Maybe read the rest of the sentence you quoted: "but previous Ubuntu releases....have done surprisingly well". RTFA is one thing, but Read The Fucking Sentence? Come on.

Also, disagreeing with an article doesn't make it FUD. Perhaps you should tell all the people on the linked to Ubuntu forum that all their upgrades went flawlessly?

Re:No probs for me. (1)

ramunasg (973228) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630648)

I had problems (half of packages installed, some not configured, some removed because I aptitude (recommended by ubuntu) to do the work. And later tried with apt-get and everything was smoothly resolved. Sometimes superior dependency handling get inferior.

Re:No probs for me. (1)

hatsch (993935) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630684)

i upgraded my laptop running dapper to edgy during this night using update manager. all i had to do in the morning was answering some questions from apt, if i wanted to keep some costum config files and a reboot. after the reboot edgy showed up with no problems at all. even wifi via knetworkmanager worked out of the box again. so i don't understand all the complains, even though i also cant see the often discussed pros like faster startup because of upstart. boot time seems to be nearly the same here. so what's the problem?

Re:No probs for me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630846)

No probs here either. I'm running Edgy/SPARC and the upgrade wasn't flawless. I had custom packages, and had to do apt-get -f install a few times. Boohoo. No big deal at all though.

I just did a dapper-edgy upgrade... (1)

Gossi (731861) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630358)

And it went horribly wrong. I have an ATI card with the ATI driver installed via easyubuntu. After the upgrade, X just died saying the ati driver failed to start. My wireless wasn't working, either, so I couldn't get on google via lynx to research it. I ended up reinstalling dapper from CD, then doing the edgy upgrade straight away, and it was fine.

Re:I just did a dapper-edgy upgrade... (0)

l3v1 (787564) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630490)

Jeebus, this sounds eerie similar to what problems we had around '98 with redhat releases, one of the reasons debian became my favourite for many years. Messing up distribution update procedures is a very very bad publicity, let alone the misery of the users with failed updates and not knowing what to do - which is probably fairly frequent since there are much more less knowledgeable users int he ubuntu user base. The problem is that even if they fix it it's already too late. I just can't believe they released a crap like this. I mean come on, reasonable people don't want to install linux every day, that's why dist-upgrade was invented for. They have the people, they have the resources, and still manage to release such borked versions. Congratulations.
 

Re:I just did a dapper-edgy upgrade... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630506)

It feels like there is something generally wrong with the ATI package(official) on Edgy. After upgrading I am experiencing higher number of crashes with applications that were not affected before.

On a side note, many third party repositories do not yet have an entry for Edgy, so replacing all entries of Dapper with Edgy in tour sources.list won't help.

Re:I just did a dapper-edgy upgrade... (1)

0xB00F (655017) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630698)

Initially I had a slight problem with my ATI card not being able to run with hardware accelerated 3D. But after searching the Ubuntu Forums, I got it working.

I have never had to do a clean install on my machine ever. I have been running Ubuntu since the first release and I have been doing a dist-upgrade to keep up with every major release. The upgrade from Dapper to Edgy was even better as I did it through the Update Manager GUI for the first time and it worked like a charm.

What are the odds that you installed the drivers from ATI and not used the Ubuntu .deb packages for your ATI drivers? I would also guess that you have a wireless card and you did some fiddling around with it to get it to work?

From what I have been reading at the forums, a lot of the upgrade problems seem to come from people who have a very funky setup (e.g., unsupported wireless card, ATI drivers installed from packages downloaded from ATI, "alien" packages). As with any system with a package manager, if you deviate from the standard way of installing and maintaining packages for your system, then expect that you will have problems when upgrading.

Re:I just did a dapper-edgy upgrade... (2, Insightful)

arodland (127775) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630862)

So what you're saying is "I installed some important drivers through an unsupported tool that works in a stupid way so that it can be called 'easy', and then when the official tool failed to upgrade this manually-installed software of which it was unaware, causing problems, I was pissed" ?

It's been out, what, three days? (5, Insightful)

Plug (14127) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630360)

Users are producing detailed descriptions of problems but getting little help

I remember rushing to try XGL and Compiz the day they were released, and getting nowhere. About a week later the smart people who do such things had figured it out, and I was able to run it, but it was still pretty 'hardcore' and prone to breakage. About three weeks later it was simple.

Don't upgrade on the first day and expect things to go smoothly. You can only be as good as your last RC, and not enough people upgrade them to be able to find all the bugs. Wait a week and then answers will have been found for all the common problems.

Open source is crying out for more QA people. All you have to do is report a bug, or help by triaging the bugs that are there. It's a contribution that almost anyone can make.

It's called Edgy for a reason... (3, Interesting)

lixee (863589) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630370)

My laptop upgrade went well, but of course successful upgrades don't make up a story.

However, when I tried to get Beryl working, X got broken and I had to reconfigure it manually. I blame it on Nvidia for not opening up the source though. Kudos to everyone involved in Ubuntu, you did a great job!

This *IS* linux folks.... (1)

dfn_deux (535506) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630378)

Since when has there ever been any expectation of anything but the most vanilla install of any Linux distro been expected to go correctly? The key to handling these things is a careful partitioning of file systems such that data is untouched by upgrade processes and a strong enough understanding of how the necessary services/programs are configured and interact with other core applications. If you find that you have a neither of these requirements handled it should be common knowledge that your experience with upgrading (or even running) linux will be troublesome in more then 50% of the cases regardless of what distro you use.

Re:This *IS* linux folks.... (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630410)

You make an excellent point. At one time I was really gung-ho about the "upgrade process", when I was using Red Hat 4.2-7.3 and I'd happily run the update install overnight.

Later, I found that if I properly managed my partitions, it was much faster to re-install and then integrate my user accounts/data with the new install.

LK

Re:This *IS* linux folks.... (1)

beermad (961336) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630530)

I never had any problems going up between different releases of Mandr[ake|iva], but the main reason I moved over to Ubuntu was that my old distro was getting too slow with updates (and modified things so much that rolling my own KDE, for example, was a waste of time) but Ubuntu promised more up-to-date goodies. So I'd say that (at least in my experience) the general expectation is that installs will go correctly.

I'd echo what you say about careful partitioning though; at least I only had to restore my / /usr /usr/share and /var partitions...

Re:This *IS* linux folks.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630570)

I would not entirely agree with you on this one.

Situation you are describing may have been the case some two-three years ago, but not now. There are growing expectations of things 'just working' simply because, for the most part, they do!

Go on any relatively popular linux forum and you most likely will find help requests from people who know barely anything about the workings of the system and yet are keen on using it.

Can't say I was too impressed with the upgrade (3, Informative)

also-rr (980579) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630384)

Going from 6.06 to 6.10 was pretty messy on PowerPC (not that I Was surprised - it's a small platform that doesn't get as much QA work) and it did require a complete reinstall. Qtparted seemed to be the source of about 90% of the problems.

On the other hand I was *really* pleased when it was installed. The fresh install was trivially easy and everything works [revis.co.uk] - including wireless with WPA and 3D acceleration. It's about the first time my laptop has been 100% usable as a laptop since I dumped OS X.

So: Minus one point for not upgrading properly. Plus several hundred points for maturity of hardware support. I'm sure that for 7.04 upgrades will be running perfectly :)

Re:Can't say I was too impressed with the upgrade (1)

rmccann (792082) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630844)

Like you I run Ubuntu on an iBook, but I found the upgrade went perfectly. I had switched to edgy ages ago that went fine and all previous 'aptitude upgrades' went off without a hitch. YMMV of course.

I had no problems (2, Funny)

andreak (169963) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630388)

Upgrading from Kubuntu dapper using s/dapper/edgy/g

Re:I had no problems (1)

aj50 (789101) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630542)

Lucky for you, I did the same, the upgrade failed on dpkg-multicd saying it was trying to overwrite a man page which was in dpkg-dev. Then it just stopped, without installing the rest of the packages or configuring anything. Not realizing the error I restarted, only to be unable to boot.

Now I've got it sorted out and am running AIGLX with Beryl and bits of XFCE and it's great!

Give it some time (0, Redundant)

Yahma (1004476) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630392)

Ok People, you waited this long for Edgy Eft.. You surely can wait a few weeks longer till they get these upgrade issues sorted out. In the meantime, feel free to use the Edgy LiveCD [ubuntu.com].

Personally, I wouldn't risk upgrading my Dapper installation just yet. Rather, I would either install from scratch, or wait for these issues to be worked out

Yahma
ProxyStorm [proxystorm.com] - An Apache based anonymous proxy service for security minded individuals.

My "problems" (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630404)

I've only had a few problems when I upgraded:

The update gave up during the installation so I had to run apt-get dist-upgrade again.

A few packages were held back, namely Amarok, mplayer and python-*

I lost direct rendering on my ATI card. I fixed this though by adding

Section "Extensions"
                Option "Composite" "0"
EndSection

To my xorg.conf and rebooting

On the plus side, I now have Firefox 2 (which does crash, but that's the fault of the extensions I run) and I don't have to use

acpi=off

to my boot config anymore, which I had to do with Dapper. So now I can shutdown my pressing the power button.

Part of me wishes I hadn't upgraded (mainly because I didn't really benefit), but it's certainly not a "nightmare"

Re:My "problems" (1)

DailyDosage (1002204) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630534)

On the plus side, I now have Firefox 2 (which does crash, but that's the fault of the extensions I run) and I don't have to use acpi=off
On the minus side I now need acpi=off or the system doesn't manage to find its root filesystem.

Re:My "problems" (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630608)

A few packages were held back, namely Amarok, mplayer and python-*

Just found out that apt-get install will install them for you.

Worked for me (3, Informative)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630406)

Can't speak for anybody else but the upgrade worked perfectly for me. Slightly troubling to see the download speed decrease from 200kb/s down to 55kb/s because the release was Slashdotted midway through my upgrade but I got through it. Perhaps the servers timed out for some and caused problems.

Re:Worked for me (1)

Adelbert (873575) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630462)

The upgrade did not, however, work perfectly for me. There were X crashes each time I logged on, and everything was incredibly slow to load. I was only able to resolve the problems by getting an even techier friend to change my X configuration, and remove several problematic programs. This was nothing to do with server timeouts. This was to do with a lack of testing at the beta release stage. If Linux is ever going to make it to the mainstream, we need to stop such glaring omissions making it into release software.

User had a non-standard setup (2, Insightful)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630644)

The guy who provided details had his installation fail because he had modified his system in non-standard ways. If he's doing that, he should also be capable of upgrading himself, otherwise, he should have stayed with what he had working, or consulted someone before upgrading, or even paid an expert to help him upgrade.

Re:User had a non-standard setup (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630722)

My system was slightly modified too - I have an NVidia driver for X. I actually forgot all about this but it worked at the end so I'm happy.

Re:User had a non-standard setup (2, Interesting)

ChrisJones (23624) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630830)

Unfortunately there are a lot of HOWTOs and Guides people have written for Ubuntu without really knowing what they are doing, so some highly crackful customisations are out there, as well as poorly produced and unmaintained apt repositories for later versions of various packages. ubuntuguide.org is a perfect example of how not to change things on an Ubuntu install ;)

Fine over here (1)

The OPTiCIAN (8190) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630408)

I must have really lucked out. Usually with linux and me, everything that can go wrong does go wrong. However, I've upgraded my desktop workstation and my development server (both running ubuntu, very different setups though) and both have been seamless.

Re:Fine over here (1)

afd8856 (700296) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630440)

I have about the same experience. I have upgraded several Dappers to Edgy and didn't had too much troubles. Actually, upgrading a straight Dapper to Edgy has been very very error-free, for me at least. The only problems I had were with my main 2 workstations, which had a lot of extra packages installed and were somehow conflicting. In this cases, the main installer (started with update-manager -c -d) quit, but I could run apt-get dist-upgrade from the console, see what the problem packages were, remove them and continue the setup. I always ended up with working desktops.

I'm glad I had good backups (2)

beermad (961336) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630422)

Total failure for me trying to upgrade Kubuntu from Dapper to Edgy. Four attempts and I gave up - I'm really glad I have backups of all my partitions otherwise I'd have been stuffed.

I'd certainly advise anybody who intends to try upgrading by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and pulling in new packages to do it from a console session rather than in X; when my screensaver kicked in it was impossible to get back by putting in the password because it couldn't recognise it (fortunately I could SSH in from my Zaurus and kill the process.)

Coming on the heels of the recent X server upgrade débacle, this has got me wondering if I should try another distro, which is disappointing as I like Mark Shuttleworth's attitude.

Not to bore... (1)

jrieth50 (846378) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630432)

But yea, I upgraded at Knot 1 and have been doing dist-upgrades ever since. The only problem I ever encountered was when I installed xgl/compiz on Knot 3 - then I had some issues when I upgraded to RC1. I went through a purged XGL/Compiz from the system and everything was right back on track. I updated to the final release on day 1 and had no problems.

But as someone else said, upgrades that went smoothly aren't exactly the story, so... just my 2 cents.

Only Slight Problems (1)

ivanwillsau (709482) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630450)

I just did an upgrade from Dapper to Edgy (this was the first article I saw after the upgrade). The only problem I had was with xorg not upgrading I had to manually apt-get remove xserver-xorg-core before continuing with the upgrade for it to work for me. This was relatively easy for me to fix but I would imagine that others with less apt command line experience than I have would have found it very stressful.

Just finished mine tne minutes ago (0)

zoward (188110) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630464)

I just finished mine. Last night, I opened a terminal box in Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 LTS and typed:

sudo update-manager -c

entered my password, said yes at the "Really update right now?" prompt, and went to bed.

Woke up fifteen minutes ago, rebooted the box, and came up in Edgy Eft/6.10. Even handled daylight savings time along the way.

Everything I typically use (Firefox, Thunderbird, XMMS, Pan, etc) seems to be working fine. I have a pretty typical installation though (i386-class desktop, wired ethernet, nVidia card).

So I opened Firefox, brought up Slashdot, and this was the top story, wouldn't you know...

Incomplete upgrade to Edgy (1)

F-3582 (996772) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630470)

I had a similar experience. Fortunately my upgrading tool somewhere close to the "cleaning up" process. After rebooting I had to update some packages manually over Synaptic, but the system ran fine, except for the fact that it somehow enabled Australian English as my default language.

And for another thing: Whatever I tried, I couldn't get the fglrx driver (that proprietary ATI driver) to work. The kernel module and the driver was properly installed, but nevertheless, I couldn't use Direct Rendering, although it was initialized properly, too. After a while I decided to download the Edgy installation CD and install this bitch from scratch. When inserting it, Ubuntu recognized a distribution upgrade on it and performed it. Well, the only thing it did was removing an old mesa driver, but after the "upgrade" was finished, everything started working perfectly fine. Including the fglrx driver.

By the way: The system sometimes seems to disable the wireless connection for no reason at all. Check your networking preferences, if it doesn't work.

just use "unstable" all the time (1)

mu22le (766735) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630472)

Huge changes in the system are very likely to spark a lot of problems, the easiest way to overcome this is to to upgrade a few packages at a time, for example by keeping your system up to date with the unstable release.

That's why my system is sync'd with unstable more-or-less every few days. I'm a Debian user, but I suppose this would apply to Ubuntu too.

While working on my phd I stopped doing that for a few months and the when I dist-upgraded again I had to do some real magic to avoid massive problems (like the python transition that tried to uninstall most of my python software)

Under some conditions it is safer to run unstable every day than to upgrade to a whole new release every 6 months.

On a side note apt developers could try to make "dist-upgrade" more similar to a day-by-day upgrade than to a single massive "apt-get install", trying to keep track of what package affect what other with every new version and than try to use all the information to recognize an update path that could be longer than the "massive install" but safer.

Well this doesn't even sound simple on paper, implementation would probably be a nightmare :)

Jesus people, stop your whining (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630474)

I'm really getting annoyed by this.

In my experience upgrading works like a charm. Now this doesn't mean that it works for anybody of course, but reading those blogs and forum posts it's clear that most of the problems are homemade.

For one, people simply don't use the official way to update their system. Instead they blindly edit their sources.list, then run into problems and take hours and hours to complain about them on their blogs and in forums when all they had to do was take the 10 seconds it takes to read the instructions.

Further, most of the problems occur because people blindly installed outside, unstable packages without knowing what they were doing or being able to fix the problems that might occur.
Just think of all the people that used XGL, AIGLX, compiz, etc on dapper.

Worked for me and why it happened... (4, Insightful)

drgonzo59 (747139) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630480)

I have been using the development Eft tree ever since they opened it (I like to live on the 'Edge' I guess). I watched new upgrades trickle in over time. The biggest problems were the volumeid changes i.e. referring to the drives using and UUIDs instead of /dev/hd[a-x][0-9] format coupled with a change in udev (and or kernel) that re-mapped the drive order and names. That caused a bit of a headache but I thought it eventually got fixed. Otherwise, there have been no major problems.

The reason I think the upgrade disasters happened is because most developers have been upgrading gradually, over time, just like me. After the release, they assumed upgrading works fine and focused most of the testing on fresh installs. This left the situation of a sudden dist-upgrade from Dapper to Eft un-tested.

In general testing upgrades is pretty difficult. One has to account for X possible previous versions (Dapper, Hoary, Breezy along with mixed software from universe repositories installed by hand) times Y possible hardware configurations. This results in a lot of testing scenarios....

My other take on the situation is that a lot more people are upgrading and therefore there is a total increase in upgrade problems. A year or more ago, there weren't that many Breezy users who upgraded to Dapper (just because there weren't that many Ubuntu users). Now there are a lot more users --- a lot more upgrades --- a lot more upgrade problems.

I picked a hell of a time to switch (0, Flamebait)

LuminaireX (949185) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630484)

I just moved my bitchbox over from XP to Ubuntu Server because I wanted to learn how to use Linux. Specifically, I wanted to start with the bare essentials and install shit as I needed it. I was set to install 6.06, but then I saw that 6.10 was available and went with that. It's amazing what you take for granted on this distro. Samba has been a bitch to get running (I still haven't quite gotten Windows to talk to my samba share). sudo apt-get install samba doesn't install all of Samba, just little bits and pieces of it. SSH isn't installed, and every single freaking port on the firewall is blocked off, requiring you to poke a hole whenever you need one. But, if it comes down to it, I can just blow the partition and start fresh with a different version. There's nothing I need on it, so long as Edgy doesn't turn the hard drive into a paperweight.

1: Erase everything... (1)

TransEurope (889206) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630512)

...except the partition with the home-directories which are including the personal config-files, themes, settings and other custom things.

This leads to a new, clean system. All you have to to ist to restore the system's configurations related to hardware-settings, services etc. And in most cases you also can backup these files from the /etc/-directory.

I do it that way since many years, never had any problems or instabilities. And the time-consuming is moderate.

Heheh. (1)

cralewyth (934970) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630526)

Well, my experience was this:

I upgraded my old box to edgy eft (unstable) a couple of weeks ago, before "stable" release... upgrade was fine.

I upgraded my newer (needs-to-be-stable) box to edgy eft "stable", and big problems.

I just updated from edgy eft-unstable (from two weeks ago) to edgy eft-stable (release), and no problems there.

What have canonical gone and done, to screw up only the release?

Re:Heheh. (1)

cralewyth (934970) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630536)

Did I mention that my old box was Xubuntu, which apparently has the most problems, and yet it was bug-free.... As opposed to my newer box with kubuntu, which /was/ a nightmare?

Re:Heheh. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630834)

It's your fault for using piece-of-shit KDE

Yup (1)

tgd (2822) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630528)

Yesterday I attempted to upgrade my laptop from Dapper to Edgy.

Lets just say its good its a dual boot, and I'm posting from Windows.

The upgrade program kept fighting with the system, and I'm left unable to use X-windows realiably (it crashes randomly), wireless no longer works (so I can't update any packages or search the web for hints as to what went wrong).

Its going to take me hours to fix everything, I'm guessing. Its probably going to be faster to wipe it out and reinstall from scratch. They definitely blew it on the upgrade, though. (And this wasn't a hacked to hell Dapper install, it was pretty much out of the box)

Lucky me! (1)

reidleake (818488) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630562)

I must have been lucky - the 'official method' worked fine for me, and I have a wireless internet card, LVM, and nvidia graphics (a typical deal breaker).

Nothing had to be changed or edited, "It just work[s|ed]"(TM)

Re:Lucky me! (1)

xerxesdaphat (767728) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630858)

Yeah, me too; using a tricky custom wireless card, quite a few non-standard repositories, and the one that I thought would really screw it up, which is Beryl (Compiz) + AIGLX + custom libmesa libraries. Worked perfectly. I started freaking out though, on boot, when it took aaaages to go through the loading screen. Eventually it switched to text mode and I saw that the filesystem had chosen this precise boot to do a full fsck. Arse. Oh well, it works perfectly. I would say a good chunk of the problems people are having are do to non-standard repositories and hand-installed software and aliened packages. You can't really expect those configurations to update perfectly.

The change no-one mentioned: bash-dash (4, Interesting)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630564)

As a way to get some scripts to execute faster they changed from using bash as the default shell, to dash. dash breaks compatibility all over the place, none of the extensions found in practically every other bourne shell derivative are there. I first found out about this when someone using one of my scripts reported that 'read -s' (for reading passwords without echoing them) and 'trap function SIGINT' both give errors.

So if the scripts you write are going to be used on Eft, you have to either drop a lot of functionality, or tell users to replace #!/bin/sh with #!/bin/bash (which, of course, only works on Eft; it's /usr/bin/bash elsewhere, /usr/local/bin/bash in other places, bash doesn't come on OS X and BSD but /bin/sh works, etc).

A bit of a reckless move for a bit of extra speed. It would have been more respectable if the Ubuntu team had worked on optimizing bash instead of going for a crippled, but faster, shell.

Re:The change no-one mentioned: bash-dash (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630712)

A bit of a reckless move for a bit of extra speed. It would have been more respectable if the Ubuntu team had worked on optimizing bash instead of going for a crippled, but faster, shell.

Might have been better if they had ported the internal stuff to dash and left the default shell alone. Doesn't other me. All of my scripting is on my netbsd server and it uses ksh.

Re:The change no-one mentioned: bash-dash (5, Insightful)

ChrisJones (23624) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630812)

This is a symptom of a long-standing misunderstanding about shell scripting.
If you have #!/bin/sh you should be using POSIX shell, which will execute fine in bash, dash or the old sh. People run into problems because they've put #!/bin/sh and then used bash-only syntax - ie they should already have used #!/bin/bash, but didn't because they didn't read any docs and don't know better.

Novell/Ubuntu (1)

kamatsu (969795) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630568)

I use SUSE, and I upgraded from 9.3 to 10.0 with very few issues (although I admit there were a few - but little required even going to a console to fix), and then from 10.0 to 10.1 with no issues, and then I upgraded *again* from 10.1 to SLED with absolutely no problems whatsoever - and I have a customized installation with runlevels edited, custom modules compiled and installed, NVIDIA drivers, SMART Package Manager, etc. etc.

Yet it's upgraded very smoothly for me every time - it even lets me boot the old kernel in case something goes wrong with drivers or whatnot by adding an entry to GRUB.

If Novell can do it, so can the Ubuntu team.

Blank screen with installer CD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630578)

Unbelievable! They have actually taken step backward! I have blank screen after I reboot the computer with Edgy Eft installer CD. The previous installer version (Dapper Drake) worked nicely on same hardware. I have Matrox Millenium P750 graphics adapter.

How can the quality control be this bad? Even if you consider that this bug was reported before the official release was out. They did nothing to fix the problem!

Maybe it's time for me... (1)

jonadab (583620) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630588)

Maybe now I should consider upgrading my workstation at work to Dapper. After all, I upgraded to Breezy once Dapper was released. Staying a release behind isn't so bad, when releases come out fairly often like with Ubuntu. It's still more up to date than the _latest_ release of something with a long release cycle, but you avoid the worst early adopter problems.

It was pretty good, better than Dapper (1)

tenjin (152147) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630592)

I upgraded my laptop from Dapper to Edgy using the upgrade path. It went really well.

Not only did the upgrade work okay, but Edgy performs much better than Dapper, and now I have suspend and hibernate working out of the box, wireless working etc.

With the wide variation in hardware out there it's not surprising that people are having problems, but at the end of the day the Ubuntu upgrade path is far far better than anything else I have tried. Windows upgrade anyone?

U GET WAT U PAY 4 ! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630624)

If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys

Oh I finaly get it (1)

Carlio (978278) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630642)

...this is what they meant by 'Edgy'. We thought it was going to be brand-new features, fresh new artwork and a load of beta and CVS versions of programs. But no, none of that. Instead, we have an updater that has a 50/50 chance of destroying everything on your computer. Now *that's* edgy!

Please keep in mind... (2, Interesting)

robzon (981455) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630646)

... that this was not supposed to be production-ready release.

It had a very short development cycle (only 4 months, because of dapper's delay).
It was supposed to be 'edgy' and an unstable entry point for future next-gen Ubuntu releases.
It's not even available in Shipit!
Dapper is recommended for a casual user, Edgy is for a little more advanced users, who know what to do when something breaks.

So while your opinions are very welcome, don't blame Ubuntu guys for screwing up the distro. It's just the way it was planned to be :-)

Cheers!

Dapper to Edgy upgrade best so far (1)

Stormx2 (1003260) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630694)

I had problems upgrading hoary to breezy, and breezy to dapper. Each time my X server broke and lots of video drivers broke. This time the upgrade was almost perfect!

I had one very slight problem, and that was my GTK2 theme. I had that fixed within 5 minute. Now I'm on edgy and absolutely loving it.

I had surprisingly few problems with mine... (1)

nowhere.elysium (924845) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630704)

I'm running Edgy on a laptop that's notoriously troublesome with Linux: the Inspiron 6000 - Ubuntu's been the only distro that I've had no problems with at all, and the update was no exception. I think my only complaint with it is the rancid colour choice on the default theme, and that bloody awful jingle on startup and shutdown, but these are all readily solvable.
If anything, I found the 'gksudo "update-manager -c -d" method worked fine for me: the only problem was the amount of time that it took, because it defaulted to about 150KB/s on my connection (oh noes!); of course, remembering the days of 14.4Kbaud modems made that slightly easier...
As to the laptop itself: my only issue is the fact that it was made very visibly obsolete within a year; no surprises there. That, plus the fact that Beryl's not particularly fast on it: no worries as far as I'm concerned: I don't use it, but I thought it was worthy of note...

Everything OK (1)

asphyx0r (981971) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630714)

I upgraded to latest Ubuntu 2 days ago on my laptop and everything went OK after the 800Mb download. I've got a new very fast Linux box on my laptop. No idea how works the fresh install, but the upgrade is nice for me (if you have a high speed download rate, of course) Have an happy upgrade, Cheers

OT: Waiting for Etch ... (1)

udippel (562132) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630718)

Huh, with all these troubles of FF and Ubuntu (and whatnot), I'm really curious how my anticipated apt-get upgrade of Sarge will do (in December, so I hope !) ?
Please, Debian-guys, don't leave me standing in a similar cold then !

One goodie, though: It seems we on the *nix side of the world will be done by end of this year (yes, OpenBSD 4.0 will be out in 3 days), and I'll hopefully have an updated Festive Season and a clean New Year - while our friends on W32 will probably have to enjoy a disruptive 2007 ... .
My suggestion to these guys and girls: switch-Switch-SWITCH-SWITCH !! No matter if OSX, Linux, BSD; but SWITCH ! - And enjoy a quiet 2007 !

Edgy is edgy (1)

Klaidas (981300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630730)

Well, duh, of course it's problematic if you use a server with RAID and remotely upgrade from a long term support to an edgy distribution (6.06 was supposed to be rock stable, and edgy to be a little unstable and, um... edgy, remember?)
On the other hand, it's easy for me to say that - I did a clean install...
All in all, edgy disappointed me - nothing REALLY new, and now this article about updgrades going wild...

OPENSOLARIS/VISTA?! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630734)

I'm SICK and TIRED of fixing problems these distro installers do. Canonical has all the resources to fix it and make things work, but it hasn't happened yet. Was free, working GNU system just a dream that slowly fades away because people are starting to realise it is just not delivering what everybody hoped it would. It's 2006 now! Why don't we have a working, fully free GNU system here with us now?!

I'm thinking of moving to Vista (it's released soon) or Open Solaris. Think about it. Vista will support all your hardware and it will just work - out of the box. Think about Open Solaris, when you think about it starts to seem as a promising product. Solaris has been there since 1983 and a large enterprise company is backing it up making sure it has only quality code in it. Everything is documented well, it offers you free Java development tools giving you one helluva development environment to work with. Sun goes through all the code that goes into Open Solaris so the quality is top notch. Open Solaris might be what we are looking for. I'm afraid it's time to say goodbye to GNU!

Losing usplash and other wierd boot related things (1)

ocdude (932504) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630762)

I upgraded using the
gksu "update-manager -c"
method. It went smoothly for the most part, with the exception that my connection kept dropping out (damn you university internet in the UK!). When I rebooted, however, I noticed first that it failed on the swap test, then when I fixed the swap (it had lost what format it was for some reason. A reformat into swap brought it back) I rebooted and realized that not only had I lost swap, but I was now not seeing the usplash screen AND was booting into a 386 kernel. I was previously booted into a 686 kernel, and during the process, downloaded a "generic" kernel which supposedly had smp built in and obsoleted the 686 kernel. Long story short, I had to manually edit my menu.lst file so I would boot into the generic kernel and do some weird recopying of the usplash configuration and graphics in order for it to work.

Oh well. I guess that's what I get for wanting the latest and greatest...

i think the biggest problem (1)

brezel (890656) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630788)

is always the kernel + initrd. i have used custom kernels forever and never had any problems with upgrades (been using debian, kubuntu, rh, rhel, suse, sles, gentoo...you name it)

the problem is you just can't expect an average user to know how to deal with kernel/module/initrd problems :/. i am upgrading as i speak and can't wait to see if everything works fine but i do not expect major problems. if there will be any i will let you guys know ^^.

raaaaaaaaarr (1)

matt me (850665) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630790)

First please don't write confusing articles by using negatives like that. eg: Updates are bad, but not in linux., but not in edgy.

The update worked for me. Fine. And my mum pulled the plug on my computer half way through. I had a similar situation updating Fedora from CD, when half the discs were corrupt. Updating linux is piss easy - thank you package managers - they're only older than me. Fedora: yum for rpm. Debian: apt for dpkg. If you've succeeded in installing something, an update is no harder. man apt-get

This is ubuntuforums, remember. When some ppl say "trouble" there they mean having to edit a text file or run some shit in bash. There's no such thing as trouble in linux, so long as you can get a shell. And unless you're stupid enough to leave only one buggy kernel you built yourself using make randomconfig, you won't get a kernel panic.

It's crazed. You have ppl writing shell scripts to build firefox two for those who've wet themselves about it and can't wait for a package to appear in the repos, who can't tell you what the G in GNU stands for.

apt-get is your friend (1)

dogsbestfriend (755362) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630796)

I had the same issue as quite a few people have mentioned - I ran gksu 'update-manager -c' - the installer tried to remove /usr/X11R6/bin to make it a symlink, couldn't, borked and died. I removed the files in /usr/X11R6/bin (tora) and then recontinued the upgrade with apt-get -f install as the borked upgrade suggested. Worked like a charm, everything came up fine after the install, including my nvidia card (yeah, with the binary driver) Edgy is faster than dapper, and so far its stable. Maybe I was just lucky :)

Install went great until... (1)

blackchiney (556583) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630802)

... I rebooted my VM and it all went to shit. I've been running Dapper on VM for a good while and it was running smoothly. I assumed the upgrade would give me more responsiveness and an overall jump in performance. It couldn't be further from the truth. Once the new kernel was booted VMWare went to "oh shit!" mode and gave me a quarter of the screen I've normally worked in. Even the bootCD can give me 1024x768 but 640x480 is unworkable in KDE. Installing Tools ends in failure because of the new X.org 7.1 which it doesn't want to compile with. Good thing this was a VM, I can always rollback to the last good nsapshot.

At least with linux you dont have to reboot... (1)

Chrono11901 (901948) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630808)

At least with Linux you don't have to reboot to patch it... just completely reinstall the whole OS! (preps to be moded down)

Eft *was* developed in a short timespan (2, Insightful)

wolf08 (1008623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630816)

Edgy Eft is full of new and beta packages, and it has had half the release cycle of most ubuntu versions. Because of this, I'm amazed that it's working as well as it is. If people want stability,
stick with Dapper! You'll save yourself headaches. There's a reason why they have LTS on Dapper.

Ubuntu upgrade went perfectly (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630856)

all i can say is i had ubuntu 6.06 + compiz + xgl and it all worked perfectly. if it wasnt for the fact wine wouldnt play wow id deinstall windows.

i then did the update from System - Admin - update manager and hey presto (3hrs later of downloads) no buttons to press and only had to choose to keep my config files intact. And it is all working. boots faster than ever. XGL and compiz effects all in tact AND ... here is the kicker .. World of Warcraft now works AND a few other games that didnt before. im spending this morning removing MS Windows :p

Best upgrade ever imho and im not an advanced ubuntu user but a damned happy one.

No sound after upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630868)

My laptop's audio stopped working after I upgraded from Dapper to Edgy. Downloading and compiling the latest alsa drivers didn't seem to fix it either.

One other problem I've had with Ubuntu, even before I upgraded to Edgy, is with wireless. My Intel 3945 wifi card was a pain to get working in Dapper. Connecting to my access point, with wpa supplicant, sometimes takes 20 minutes, other times it takes only a few seconds. Edgy doesn't seem to have fixed it. I'm not sure if the problem is with my access point (Netgear WAG302), or Ubuntu's wifi support.

Err... Isn't edgy the experimental release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16630870)

I'm kind of a newbie to the Ubuntu thing, so i may be wrong, but i thought Edgy was an unstable and experimental release, and Dapper is still recommended for normal users?

They got Dapper out the door, stable, and then went to work mixing it up putting tonnes of new fancy stuff in. It's not been that long since dapper, so of course Edgy is unstable. I'm guessing the plan is to push forward the tech, and then solidify it and make it stable in future releases, until they have one they feel comfortable supporting as well as Dapper.

Both my Ubuntu machines are still on Dapper, and i have no plans nor reason to upgrade until they make another stable release.

This is a story, sure, but i think it's being cast in the wrong light. No one should have expected an upgrade, or even a fresh install, to have been as bug-free as Dapper.

Be realistic... (2, Informative)

denebola (868771) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630872)

Once you open your sources.list up to include universe and multiverse, all upgrade bets are off. How can you possibly expect the ubuntu team to consider every unknown eventuality.

Upgrading in Ubuntu (1)

marx (113442) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630878)

Upgrading in Ubuntu has never worked well for me. I used Ubuntu quite a lot from Hoary->Breezy->Dapper and upgrades almost always left X unusable. I don't think I've ever had a problem with the kernel though. Ubuntu doesn't seem to test upgrades very well.

I haven't had these types of upgrade problems with Debian, but that could be because they release so seldom.

What debian does well where ubuntu is bad? (1)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630882)

In my experience with debian, upgrading between releases were mostly flawless.

I've did it from potato to woody, from woody to sarge, from sarge to etch, from woody to sid and a lot of other combinations...

It took three steps: 1. changing the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list 2. apt-get update 3. apt-get dist-upgrade

Then of course, sid is the "perpetual fresh" or "cutting edge" release, so you don't tend to upgrade from there. I'm sure there are lots of breakages in sid, but what I had noticed in roughly 4 years of sid usage was that an X library broke mplayer for two week until an updated package was pushed, that's all.

My point in rambling about debian in an ubuntu article is that ubuntu is debian based, so it is a step backwards to lose relatively painless upgradeability.

Everythink worked fine here! (2, Informative)

yioan (856981) | more than 7 years ago | (#16630886)

I have an old Dell c640 laptop and everything works fine after the latest upgrade, from dapper to edgy. The same happened when I upgraded from breezy to dapper. I don't know, but maybe I was lucky. What people should understand is that upgrading the whole operating system is not an easy case. The fact that something probably will go wrong must be expected. It is like resizing your partitions, but you have not kept any backups. If you have a production quality system an upgrade is realized only when it is necessary. I know that when an operating system supports a functionality like the upgrade-manager it should work as it supposed to work, but when an upgrade is performed on the very first day, definitely, there will be unresolved issues because the product has not been tested exhaustively. That is, thousands of people downloaded the RC version but probably, hundreds of thousands have tried the latest version when it was released. Everyone is complaining that EDGY is not a major upgrade and it has nothing to show but here is what I found: - Now my IPOD works fine with Rhythmbox (songs can be deleted from and uploaded to the device) - Some bugs (that were affecting my every day work) in Evolution have been resolved - QT libraries have been updated. Try now to use keepassx (the open source password manager). Its interface is great. - I had some rendering issues with Google Earth. Every time I had to maximize and minimize it in order to work properly. Now everything is fine. - I have noticed that a lot of applications have been upgraded to their latest versions: Gaim, VLC player(0.86). - XEN is supposed to work more easily in edgy. I have not tried it yet, but it has been in included in apt-get and there is an article in the wiki. - Boot up time has been reduced. ... and probably other people will find out that there more and more optimizations.
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