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World of Warcraft and UDE Point System Fiasco

Hemos posted more than 7 years ago | from the going-to-get-a-lot-of-backlash dept.

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Richard Manley writes "A report on the card game trinket fiasco. When the UDE (Upper Deck Entertainment) point system finally went live, I would imagine most of the people that logged in felt the same fury I did. Blizzard knows the lengths that its fans will go to get trinkets (look at the price of Murloc cards on eBay), but their arrangement with Upper Deck simply takes advantage of the good will many fans have shown." From the article: "This means that in order to get these trinkets, one would have to purchase 9 BOXES of cards for the fireworks and 21 BOXES of cards for the ogre. What does this mean? Want a fireworks trinket? Sure, it is only going to cost you $900.00. Want an Ogre trinket? No problem, it is only going to cost you $2,100.00. Bear in mind that these items are purely for show off purposes and give no in-game advantage to players." Having been through the Magic: The Gathering addiction twice, I've decided staying away from this Collectible Card Game is a good idea.

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251 comments

Frosty Piss (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16640965)

Serving up a tall mug of the frosty piss for three years now. Enjoy!
 

MOD PARENT FUNNY! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641243)

Well I though it was funny. But then I *am* stoned.

CCQ? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16640983)

So, you're staying away from the Civil Code of Quebec?

Re:CCQ? (-1, Offtopic)

reklusband (862215) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641017)

Can I metamoderate now?

Re:CCQ? (0, Offtopic)

reklusband (862215) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641213)

Sorry, posted to the wrong thread...There goes my karma...

The technical term is ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16640991)

Sucker!

What will happen (2, Insightful)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 7 years ago | (#16640997)

Players of WoW will be pissed for about two weeks, then blizzard will implement [Axe of ZOMGWTF Pwnage], and soon they'll all be off to EPL to grind the 400 zombie asses they need to turn in to get it. This is just the epic obsession of the month. Next patch there will be something better.

Re:What will happen (1)

GalionTheElf (515869) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641177)

You know this is about the WoW card game right? Only real life grinding involved in getting these epics.

Re:What will happen (2, Informative)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641275)

Read the Friendly Article. This is about there being in-game (as in the computer game) rewards for people who spend real-life money on these collectible cards. My point is that this will follow the path that every other set of new content brings: People will be obsessed about it for a month, then the next patch will come out new content and they will move on.

Re:What will happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641695)

Yeah apologies, I did indeed not RTFA. I will now go and strap myself into the stocks, please feel free to fling rotten vegetables at me.

Link pls? (5, Funny)

lsw (95027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641411)

I tried to click on the [Axe of ZOMGWTF Pwnage] but doesn't work. can anyone link it so I can see the stats please?

Re:What will happen (2, Funny)

bigdavesmith (928732) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641471)

I'm sorry, I don't think there's going to be any 'grinding' going on wherever this card game is concerned.

Re:What will happen (1)

Guysmiley777 (880063) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641651)

OP's point is that once the next best thing comes out the unwashed masses will be attracted to the next shiny sparkly object. For example, once the expansion is released, (ZOMG LAAATE BLIZ I H888888TE JOO!!!) there will be WTFPWN LEVEL 70 EPIX!!! to covet instead of useless trinkets.

Re:What will happen (3, Insightful)

thelost (808451) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641601)

doubtful. More likely is that as with most things in WoW the most heard voices will be from a loud few, who get distracted a few days later by a perceived nurf to their fav class or weapon.

I think no community can bark louder than than the WoW one, but seeing as the majority are a bunch of kids it just doesn't fucking matter.

rtards (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641001)

what do you expect them to do? they want to milk you cash cows for all you're worth before the next game comes out or you lose your job and your wife leaves you, whichever happens first.

Re:rtards (1)

CodeMonkey4Hire (773870) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641047)

When you become the subject of South Park you kind of need to rethink your life.

Aah yes ... (4, Insightful)

nbvb (32836) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641003)

Aah yes, the UDE system... I'd much prefer CCQ myself as well. Although I never had an MtG problem, I still fear MiG's that were sold to some unfriendly countries.

What the heck does all THAT mean? I must be getting old ....

It seems to me that the more time passes, the less I understand around here. Funny how that happens.

Re:Aah yes ... (1)

Coco Lopez (886067) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641163)

Users Dumb, Exploit.

Re:Aah yes ... (3, Insightful)

boule75 (649166) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641387)

I fully agree. Mod him up.

Unless you spend half of your weeks to roam forums about this game, there's no way to understand this article.

I was hoping that just reading games.slashdot.org twice a month would be enough to make me appear a shining gammer amongst my friends but... I just cannot read it anymore!

Gosh... then, what were those acronyms again? UDE, CCQ, MtG, MiG, THAT, RTFA, IANAL...

Uh oh (2, Funny)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641015)

That's a 50 DKP MINUS!

Re:Uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641547)

What the fuck does that even mean?

HELP! (1, Insightful)

spectrokid (660550) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641019)

English....? Anyone? Please?

Re:HELP! (1, Redundant)

teslar (706653) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641095)

Step 1: Sell a WoW card game where each pack gives people 100 points.
Step 2: Promise the points can be traded in WoW for something shiny but useless, eventually.
Step 3: Eventually require up to 50,000 points for those shiny things, equalling the purchase of 2,100$ worth of cards.
Step 4: PROFIT!!! Actually, strike that, get an angry mob... for about 20 Minutes until they go raiding again.

WoW or AM? (1)

nostriluu (138310) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641143)

That sounds a lot like Air Miles to me.

Re:HELP! (1)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641103)

yes, really, some context please for those of us who don't follow WoW that closely?

they are selling some sort of real-world cards that give you some sort of game points for some unspecified purpose?

Re:HELP! (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641247)

They're selling a "collectible card game". Each $20ish pack has cards, and '100 points' you can redeem for novelty WoW trinkets. Nothing is available for 100 points except for desktop wallpapers. Everything is worth like 10,000 points. That's just a little past ridiculous, and I think Blizzard is rightfully feeling some sort of backlash against this. Not OMG-the-online-world-is-over backlash, but still: it's a grand way to get some of your more devoted players (with greater fiscal resources) pissed off. I don't think that's quite good business - pissing people off for a few quick bucks.

Lucky for me, I'm not one of the affected parties.

Re:HELP! (2, Insightful)

gsslay (807818) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641425)

That's just a little past ridiculous, and I think Blizzard is rightfully feeling some sort of backlash against this.

You know, if they were trinkets that were easy to get then everyone would have them, and all the dimwits who are getting so upset about this wouldn't want them.

And it seems pretty clear to me that having introduced a reward system, Blizzard are unlikely to just leave it at these daft card games. You could pick up points in all manner of other ways. Some points, its to be hoped, could be earned in ways that don't involve you having more money that sense.

Re:HELP! (2, Interesting)

guy-in-corner (614138) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641575)

Some points, its to be hoped, could be earned in ways that don't involve you having more money that sense.

How about a WoW-branded credit card? Instead of cashback, you get in-game points for real-world spending.

Re:HELP! (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641595)

Some points, its to be hoped, could be earned in ways that don't involve you having more money that sense.

Well, we are talking about WoW players...

Re:HELP! (1)

whoop (194) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641749)

Back in my day, arcades had the same scheme going. You got tickets from playing the skeeball game (the fun games didn't give tickets). Then you turned in the tickets for crap prizes. Things like a pencil were 50 tickets. A good game might get you ten or so tickets. So you spend 50 cents per game * 5 games, $2.50, for a $0.05 pencil. Woohoo!

New interface, same scheme.

Re:HELP! (4, Informative)

virg_mattes (230616) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641355)

The context is a crossover for marketing. Blizzard (who publishes the WoW online game) contracted with Upper Deck (a card manufacturer) to publish a WoW collectible card game. As a draw for the online folks, they put 100 "points" in each pack of cards, with a promise that those points could be used to purchase items in the WoW online game. So, a lot of online-WoW players ponied up for the cards to get points, before the points and rewards were announced. When Blizzard announced how many points each trinket or doodad cost, the points were so high that people would need to buy thousands of dollars worth of cards before they could amass enough points to get anything but lowball stuff like screensavers/wallpaper. WoW players who bought cards just for the online points are now understandably bent out of shape about it.

Virg

Re:HELP! (1)

A. Bosch (858654) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641851)

Thanks. I must be getting old. Up until your post I had no idea what the hell was going on.

Murlocs? (1)

Nemetroid (883968) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641021)

A qucik search on eBay for "murloc" only nets you two results, and neither is a card.

Re:Murlocs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641629)

The cards expired 2 days ago. They're no longer valid. If you search the completed items I imagine you'll find the mad rush of cards people tried to off before they expired.

Re:Murlocs? (1)

GodaiYuhsaku (543082) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641647)

The murloc/beta cards from Blizzcon won't be on ebay anymore. Blizzard decided to make all the codes expire a few days ago. So the codes are worthless now.

It's an all-volunteer army (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641033)

Complaining about this makes as much sense as being a devout Catholic and then getting all upset with the arbitrary rituals and limitations that come with the package.

Re:It's an all-volunteer army (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641257)

MPU

well said. That comment invalidates about half the comments on slashdot that are complaints about DRM, MS, MMORPGs with subscription fees, etc.

Assumptions! (3, Insightful)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641055)

The article makes a huge assumption: That the cards are the ONLY way to get UDE points. Maybe this is just the first way. Maybe you can also earn them by grinding, in-game. Or winning contests. Or special quests. Or other WoW merchandise.

Or maybe they just placed an extra 0 on all the stuff online by accident.

Or maybe they really are just greedy bastards and know how to exploit the playerbase of the most popular game in the world.

Or maybe, just maybe... They meant it to be REALLY FSCKING TOUGH to get those. They aren't special if everyone has one.

Re:Assumptions! (1)

Kookus (653170) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641133)

They aren't supposed to be "special" in the sense that only 1 person has them. They would have been special enough if everyone who bought cards got them, because even that will only be a fraction of the WoW player base. It's just infuriating that Blizzard would take a hard stance on trading items in game for real world currency, and then basically slap a price tag on novelty items to the tune of a few grand.

You could buy yourself a very well geared character on ebay for less than the amount you'd need to spend to acquire just that trinket the spews off a particle effect... Ooooh, wow, shiny!

I Played Magic: The Gathering, and it was a fun game. I could see myself playing the card game of Warcraft, because as I bought cards there would be some other incentive, but currently, there is no incentive. I'm not going to be buying 3 grand worth of cards to get some novelty items. The other prizes in the card game are on scratch off cards, and those are the "rare" items that not everyone gets. Since those are really the only actual prizes you can win, you might as well just buy them off ebay if you really want them, because it will be a helluvalot cheaper.

Re:Assumptions! (4, Insightful)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641301)

Maybe they didn't want you to buy the cards just to get the in-game items? It's supposed to be a bonus, not the reason.

I suspect if you went to them and offered them 1/10th of that price for the item, and only the item, they'd quickly open up a shop and sell it to you.

Do I think it sounds amazingly stupid as the system stands? Absolutely. I just don't believe this is the end of the system, only the beginning.

Re:Assumptions! (1)

Kookus (653170) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641745)

The bonus items are their "in" to the market. It's obvious that the reason they are there is to attract people that would normally never think of playing a card game of that nature or have other card games they already have an investment in. What better way to launch a game than to provide a bonus in it for their other product that has 7 million+ people (that is being tailored to a more casual player) with investments in. What do you expect when those casuals find that they have to become a "hardcore" buyer of cards in order to get anything out of it? It's a big turn off. I bought a few packs on launch day to see if it was worth it, and it's not. I'll stick to my MtG and if for some reason I really need to have that turtle mount or whatever, I'll buy it off ebay in a few months when they go for 20 bucks a piece. The game itself is tailored for a huge investment, and half of the available playability of the game revolves around expansions that haven't been released yet. With Magic the Gathering, you can go out and buy a starter deck that will give you many more hours of playability and enjoyment then this wasteful card game. Seriously, if you want the collectibles for the mmorpg, buy them off ebay.

Re:Assumptions! (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641185)

Hey, you're surfing while you're astroturfing!

Re:Assumptions! (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641281)

Might be true IF I played WoW, or worked for the company. I just see a lot of FUD and feel the need to fight it. Screaming 'FIRE!' when you see a whisp of smoke is FUD.

Tournaments = points (1)

Echo5ive (161910) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641395)

Or so I've been told by people who demo the card game.

A Minor Nit to Pick (0)

virg_mattes (230616) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641405)

> Or maybe they really are just greedy bastards and know how to exploit the playerbase of the most popular game in the world.

WoW isn't the most popular by a long shot. Take a look at the numbers for Lineage, and you'll see what I mean.

Virg

Re:A Minor Nit to Pick (4, Informative)

theghost (156240) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641593)

WoW isn't the most popular by a long shot. Take a look at the numbers for Lineage, and you'll see what I mean.

Latest numbers from http://www.mmogchart.com/ [mmogchart.com] put Lineage and Lineage II combined at about 3 million subscribers. WoW is at about 6.5 million and on their website they recently claimed to be over 7 million. That sounds like a pretty big lead to me.

Ain't it a shame when facts get in the way of making a point? What was your point anyway?

Re:A Minor Nit to Pick (1, Troll)

virg_mattes (230616) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641891)

I stand corrected. I was working with older information. Now, since I did specify that it was a minor point, you might consider being more polite in the future, especially considering I didn't insult you directly. Instead of thinking more of you, I think less of you, even though you were right.

Virg

Re:A Minor Nit to Pick (1)

An Anonymous Coward (236011) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641677)

From the Wikipedia:
NCsoft has reported that Lineage had at one point more than four million subscribers, most of them in Korea ... Only World of Warcraft, with over 6 million active users, has a larger user base.

Re:A Minor Nit to Pick (-1, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641863)

Take a look at the numbers for Lineage, and you'll see what I mean.

Sure, if you count Koreans as people.

-Eric

Re:Assumptions! (1)

Thyamine (531612) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641511)

Tough is one thing. Tough should be spending time and effort to achieve something in-game. Rare drops, difficult instances (dungeons), possibly even something that requires strategy.

Tough shouldn't be 'how much can we make them buy'. This is very similar to the discussions that have been taking place lately about purchasing content instead of having it available through playing the game.

Re:Assumptions! (1)

B0red At W0rk (876713) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641799)

How ironical that your post is made up entirely of assumptions.

Mediocre Article at Best (1)

Preebs (998605) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641065)

I do like how 2 of the 3 pictures in the article are about the board game and not the card game. Also complaining because you bought cards, NOT to play the card game but to get the in-game items seems a bit absurd to me.

Re:Mediocre Article at Best (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641483)

I gotta agree with you there. This is marketed as a collectible card game. Play the game or collect the cards, but the cards themselves are what you're paying for. I haven't played MtG in about 7 or 8 years now but I still buy a pack every now and then just for the artwork and such. I'll likely buy a good ammount of these WoW cards to collect for the same reason (I would play if I could find someone local to play with, but that's unlikely given my rural locale).

The bottom line is that these things are simply side prizes for people who happen to buy an ass load of cards. It's already been so aptly pointed out that these extras offer no extra functionality at all. They're just for show, so you shouldn't somehow feel entitled to one just for buying a pack of cards. That's the real reason I think Blizzard gets blamed for WoW obsession: people think that they should be able to obtain every fricking item available in the game.

Re:Mediocre Article at Best (1)

Shiptar (792005) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641693)

He also rambles about an orc trinket and then it magically becomes an ogre trinket. THis must have been a high school essay contest winner.

This is bullshit (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641069)

I bet half these people are Koreans

A fool and their money are soon parted (4, Insightful)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641077)

So let me get this straight. I group of people bought large amounts of some card game they didn't actually want to play, because they would get some points, with no idea as to how many points they will need. Then it turns out the things they can buy with the points are really expensive.

Why not either a) Buy the cards for the cards, or b) Wait until you know how much things will cost before buying the cards?

Re:A fool and their money are soon parted (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641131)

Well that is of course the explanation to the whole article summed up!

a) It probably stinks and/or doesn't have pretty graphics.
b) They would not be wasting so much time with a game if they could demonstrate such signs of intelligence.

Re:A fool and their money are soon parted (1)

Epsilon Plus (1000779) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641221)

That wouldn't be logical at all - you have to remember who we're talking about.

Dorks (0, Troll)

DJ Jones (997846) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641083)

You clearly all need a good smack in the face and a date.

Re:Dorks (1)

'nother poster (700681) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641175)

Hell, all of us WoW dorks got a date. Actually we're swingers. Tonight its me, Rosie Palm, and her five daughters.

Why don't you... (1)

Harin_Teb (1005123) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641089)

I don't know... buy cards from people who buy the card game? here's the deal: People who play the card game don't need 100 points. tey will get rid of them for much cheaper than you would pay for a pack. PLUS if nobody plays the game it will fail. A failed CCG means you can buy a box of boosters at the low low price of 10-20 bucks. tops.

Re:Why don't you... (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641711)

Yep. I bought 2 starter decks and a couple booster packs of the Babylon 5 CCG back when it came out. I played it a bit with a few friends but no one (including myself) found it too interesting. Recently I was on Ebay and noticed booster boxes of the game and it's 2 expansion sets going for less than $5. I ended up buying 3 booster boxes of it from the same person for less than $20 after shipping. No I don't play them anymore, but the "collectability" portion of the game (even if I'm probably the only person who want to collect certain cards :)) is still kinda neat.

If the Warcraft card game fails then you'll see cheapo booster boxes very soon.

capitalism (1)

zoftie (195518) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641107)

Greed is a good thing, except when it runs over any other sense, like it did this time. Looks like they bracketed costs of trinkets to other sort of similar costs of online items. Except these have *NO* in game value, as per sysem of points, experience.

I don't play WoW, but what a way to get burnt... maybe they can have trinkets rented with micropayments, like 0.01$ for each use? [I shouldn't give them ideas eh ?]

WoW (1)

nawtykitty (886197) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641109)

All buyers of these cards got pwned...

Re:WoW (1)

blaket (970111) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641767)

Unless of course we want to actually, you know, play the card game.

Vanity is Expensive (5, Insightful)

popo (107611) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641119)

Complaining about the cost of "trinkets" is a little silly. They're nothing
other than "vanity items".

So the writer of this article is upset that vanity items cost too much? Hello?

Any disappointment on the part of players is a result of over-expectation
in the 'freebie collectible' component of the offline game. I'm not sure that
having one's un-researched expectations shattered by reality is something that warrants
casting blame on the manufacturer.

IMHO as long as we're talking about something that has no other purpose but to
flaunt in front of other players and say "Na-ha, look what I have!", there's no
'appropriate' price. As in the real world, vanity has no upper price limit.

Is it just me that thinks the complaint is crazy? (1)

Claws Of Doom (721684) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641123)

You bought the card game - don't complain that the free extras don't match up to your expectations. You're furious that you have to buy 20 meals to get a free pudding? I'd base my purchase on the quality and value of the meals, personally...

Re:Is it just me that thinks the complaint is craz (1)

PopeJM (956574) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641191)

I think it's more like having to buy 20 tv's to get a free dvd

Re:Is it just me that thinks the complaint is craz (1)

Kookus (653170) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641223)

The prizes from the card game are a form of collectible themselves. It's akin to minting a new coin and throwing it into random boxes of cereal. Along with throwing coins in cereal you throw in a piece of paper that says: "Collect X amount of these and get a coin". Are you telling me that coin collector's everywhere are going to be buying that cereal to eat it?

Re:Is it just me that thinks the complaint is craz (1)

Shrubber (552857) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641533)

You bought the card game - don't complain that the free extras don't match up to your expectations.

You're right, sort of. A huge number of people are going to buy the card game *because* they announced you'd get special items inside World of Warcraft, not because they just want a card game. The people behind it know this, and count on it. It's a tie-in, a way to try to get people to try the card game that might not have otherwise. However it would also be naive, I think, to ignore the fact that there are some people who will buy cards with no intention of ever playing the card game just to get an item inside World of Warcraft. Make all the judgments you want about the person who would do that but it's going to happen.

Somewhere out there someone read this article as a guideline and placed an order for the number of boxes of cards they need.

Re:Is it just me that thinks the complaint is craz (1)

Claws Of Doom (721684) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641675)

However it would also be naive, I think, to ignore the fact that there are some people who will buy cards with no intention of ever playing the card game just to get an item inside World of Warcraft.
You're absolutely right. It's just those people wouldn't complain about it.

Haha...seriously, HAHA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641139)

This is Blizzard pwning their fans man...nothing else. This is so they can go down to E3 or whatever and bloat : "haha...look here EA. Look what we did to those idiots. First they were angry of course, but look at them now! Haha! This one guy has ALL the trinkets! It must have cost him $10 000! Oh and I just bought myself my own spaceship too. Going to the moon next friday...u wanna come?"

That original article writer really needs to take reality check. Why the hell buy cards for a game you don't want to play, ONLY because he wants some graphics to show up in Wow, and NOT check how much cards he needs before paying...haha...funny shit.

what does any of that mean? (1)

petes_PoV (912422) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641141)

I can honestly say I didn't understand a single sentence of this guy's post. Some of the words I knew (like "fiasco") but the rest of it ..... ?

apparently he's upset about something to do with online gaming

The problem is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641145)

You are not paying for the points when you buy the cards... you are paying for the cards and the points are a BONUS... So saying that the in game items cost that much doesn't make sense. The cards and the points together cost that much...

Re:The problem is... (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641365)

Yeah, but Blizzard knew putting points on the card packs for in-game items was the only way the cards would sell. And just like all their in-game methods for getting items, you have to do a whole lot for only a little reward.

They could have easily altered the points required for rewards to a reasonable level. The fact that they chose not to is very despicable. Especially after touting the 'cool rewards' you'd be able to get while withholding the information on how many points you need, KNOWING that people would be buying the cards right away (for the points, not the cards).

No, I myself did not buy any of these cards - I don't care enough about getting 'special' items in game. But it's the principle that matters, not whether I personally got screwed or not.

Apparently Blizzard is really trying hard to kill the golden goose. They haven't quite got there yet, but it's definitely starting to bleed.

Dumb article. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641153)

1. The cards you buy are intended to be used to play a game with. The UDE points thing is just a bonus.
2. I believe certain rare cards are also worth a certain amount of UDE points or can give the player a code to automatically get a free item. I'm not quite clear on this, but neither is the article.
3. As the article said, the items you get from UDE points are complete novelty items in WoW. No epic weapons, no uber trinkets that will allow you to pwn in PvP. Think the stupid novelty pets you got in the Collector's Edition.

spelling course (1)

hachete (473378) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641157)

"Having been through the MtG additiction twice, I've decided staying away from this CCQ is a good idea."

If the editors can't it right, who can? It's *addiction*/SpellingNazi

Re:spelling course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641195)

If the editors can't it right, who can? It's *addiction*/SpellingNazi

Where's a grammar nazi when you need one ....

Oh... My... God... (2, Funny)

iroll (717924) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641169)

How can we kill that which... has no life?

What were people expecting? (4, Insightful)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641197)

Do people complain about those little coke codes that you can redeem?

Hell no, why? Because only an idiot goes out and buys the coke bottle just for the code. They code is a little reward for drinking the coke. Its not a consolation prize, it is a little reward for a bit of brand loyalty. Hell the rewards for the soda are less useful.

God, what an ass. I'm gonna buy a ccq so i can win a freaking e-penis enhancement. Oh boy, I pay 15 bucks a month already, why don't I just bend over some more then bitch about it. You have not been kidnapped, you don't have a knife at your throat, DON'T BUY THE FUCKING CARD GAME YOU MORON, GOD DAMMIT ITS THAT SIMPLE. ITS ONLY A FIASCO IF YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON.



cough. ahem. sorry.

Re:What were people expecting? (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641413)

Please, carry on - I'm just glad I'm not the only person who saw this and thought "Oh, who gives a fuck!?" Between trivia like this and FUD like the IE phishing filter story, I find myself wondering why I come here more and more often.

Re:What were people expecting? (1)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641685)

Oh goody, my sleep deprived ranting haven't gotten me in trouble once again.

Re:What were people expecting? (1)

travdaddy (527149) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641553)

Do people complain about those little coke codes that you can redeem?

Unfortunately, yes they do [drinkchooselive.com] . In fact, they're even trying to sue them! People will complain about anything.

Re:What were people expecting? (1)

onion2k (203094) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641795)

The article states that the Fireworks trinket would cost you $900.00, and the Ogre trinket $2,100.00. From experience running a university gaming society back at the height of MtG's popularity I'd say that a $2100 collection is actually quite small. I've met people at gaming conventions with collections that must have cost them 10* that.

Incredible (1)

ChozSun (49528) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641219)

9 boxes of freakin' cards? Geez. Screw that.

I was going to get a couple of packs and check the artwork at best.

Hardcore players demand turtles (1)

xsarpedonx (707167) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641229)

The CCG was released 5 days ago from today. I'm not certain when the UDE exchange prices were listed but it hardly qualifies as a "long time" between in my opinion.

And also, the FAQ about UDE points [upperdeck.com] , released October 2nd (weeks before the card game), uses 50,000 points as an example twice...that should have been some indication of the scope they were looking at.

Blizzard is going to Sony (1)

beldraen (94534) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641233)

I have been fearful of Blizzard for a while now, and now it seems my concerns are slowing being realized. I played SWG for 1.5 years since release. The urge to use the fans for money just became too tempting to resist. Things changed from "we want to provide you with fun," to "things will change and it is our game."

With the change to the UI's to be locked down to the +healing nerf, Blizzard has now clearly stated that they know how the game is "supposed" to be played. The mods they disliked were written and heavily used for a reason. People do not like being used for a particular purpose (i.e. be the wack-a-mole'er). My greatest fear was the statement that Blizzard plans to release an expansion pack a year when there are plenty of mechanics in the game that would be far more interesting if the would routinely add to them. We already have a lot of factions that are unused. There are plenty of lower-level recipes, enchants, etc that could be added. In short, a lot of things that would add more richness to the world, but would not be an immediate selling point.

And, that's the rub. It is far easier to add breadth than depth to a game. But, breadth is far more marketable. What made WoW popular was the depth. After all, once you max in any system, it's the replayability that keeps the people--the social environment. I think Blizzard no longer understand that.

Re:Blizzard is going to Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16641559)

WoW doesn't really have a social environment compared to most mmos. I know lots of people who despise each other but still work together to get loot. The constant of raid guilds is that the second someone leaves (quits the game, rerolls, whatever) they are dead to all their "friends". WoW is far too selfish a game to foster any sort of lasting community.



I think this sort of move will become more and more common on Blizzard's part, the majority of their players are selfish and hateful people - so why not take em for every penny you can?

Wow (1)

tsstahl (812393) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641237)

I must be getting old; I didn't understand anything in the post. The linked article was much more informative, though.

Let me summarise the "article"... (1)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641245)

"Waaaaah waaaaah waaaaaaah."

Honestly, bunch of clowns get upset that some 'exclusive' in game items of zero real world value are going to take them more time and / or money to aquire than they would have liked.

Cry me a river.

What a mess (1)

Goffee71 (628501) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641265)

Six million people may play Warcraft but leading a story with this gibberish isn't going to help the 5billion, 994million who don't understand what the hell you're on about man! In the word of Mr. T, "Fool!"

This could very well be the end of the World (2, Funny)

DrugCheese (266151) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641287)

... of Warcraft

Poor me (1)

ryanhos (125502) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641319)

I traded my real, hard-earned currency for an alternate currency before knowing just how much the alternate currency was worth! Poor me!"

Hey, WOW players, shoelaces are the next gold. Twice as valuable per ounce! If you want to be rich, collect shoelaces. I have a million of them and I'll sell them to you for only $3 per shoelace. This is a hot deal, so act quickly before the London stock exchange begins tracking the daily shoelace price.

Fiasco? No, author = idiot. (1)

DdJ (10790) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641331)

I bought precisely two decks of cards, so that if nobody I knew bought a deck, I'd still be able to play. That's it -- I don't anticipate buying any more.

If you don't want to play the card game, don't buy any cards. If you buy them in order to get the in-game rewards, you are going to be disappointed. Period. Don't do that. Buy them to play the card game, not for any other reason.

Something must be done! (1)

vrar (935726) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641343)

Call Jack Thompson! Think of the children!

QQ More (3, Informative)

Qetu (732155) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641361)

If you expect to open a pack and get a fun trinket in game, what would stop every wow player to open just one pack and get it? Then it would not be special.

- You get 100 points per pack.
- You can get a nice amount of points in special tournaments [upperdeck.com] (probably more than 100 points and less than 5000).
- You can get omg lucky! and open an special Legendary Loot [upperdeck.com] card. It gives you a code for a special reward in game. Turtle mounts [ebay.com] are reaching some high prices...

So this is more a problem of children crying GIEF NAO!

Caveat Emptor (1)

Sierpinski (266120) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641397)

It took me several months (and lots of persuasion from RL friends) to even spend the money on the game and the monthly fee, but I'll be damned if they'll get me to buy some useless card game just so I can get some useless pet that 1) does nothing, 2) takes up inventory space, and 3) ensures I can't enable any OTHER pet I've got wasting inventory space if I activate it.

It's bad enough they make us do cartwheels for months to get adequate bag space (wtf buying a bank slot for 100g, when its just as much extra space as the 10s one, with NO free bag?)
But now they're offering a card game (as if they don't already offer enough addictive stuff) that you can use to "get the edge" in WoW by having some useless thing follow you around, or a turtle mount that doesn't increase your speed or do anything more than just "look cool". A computer game, a card game, and now a table-top board game. Its obvious that Blizzard is milking the franchise for every penny they can get out of it, and good for them. It's paying off big time. I don't blame them at all, but I do think the enticement of useless in-game stuff for a serious amount of real money is ridiculous. I would just never buy it myself.

WoW = Neopets (1)

withears (881576) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641455)

Can I get a Pikachu too?

Grind card decks??? (1)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641735)

Wow.. they actually brought the MMO grind to real life. Thats just disturbing.

Do your homework (1)

truesaer (135079) | more than 7 years ago | (#16641797)

So if I understand this correctly, this guy bought a bunch of stuff he didn't want to earn reward points in a system he knew nothing about, and is now upset about it.


Seems pretty stupid to pay cash for the cards without having any idea how many points are needed for the rewards.

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