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China - We Don't Censor the Internet

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the alternate-reality-china dept.

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kaufmanmoore writes "A Chinese government official at a United Nations summit in Athens on internet governance has claimed that no Net censorship exists at all in China. The article includes an exchange by a Chinese government official and a BBC reporter over the blocking of the BBC in China." From the article: "I don't think we should be using different standards to judge China. In China, we don't have software blocking Internet sites. Sometimes we have trouble accessing them. But that's a different problem. I know that some colleagues listen to the BBC in their offices from the Webcast. And I've heard people say that the BBC is not available in China or that it's blocked. I'm sure I don't know why people say this kind of thing. We do not have restrictions at all."

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the audience? (5, Insightful)

victorl19 (879236) | more than 7 years ago | (#16659957)

Despite the fact that many outside of China know that it indeed does exist, this piece of news is more likely intended for those within China.

Inspiration to us all. (3, Insightful)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660027)

Thank you, China. Because every day, when I get up and read the U.S. news, and think "goddamn, our country is going into the toilet," all I have to do is turn to the International section to realize that it could always be worse.

Re:the audience? (1)

aufumy (999278) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660073)

If you were within China, wouldn't you know if you received the BBC or not? What makes you so sure that censorship exists? What proof do you have, other than your assumptions? Do you really trust CNN and Fox to tell you what really is up and down?

Re:the audience? (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660295)

I'm sure CNN are quite offended now. I'm pretty sure that's not a fair comparison.

I also think that a lot of Chinese bloggers would like to argue your point regarding censorship. From beyond the grave.

Re:the audience? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660335)

It's really simple. the fake BBC feed in china has stories interspersed how glorious china is and how good the leaders are.
example....

In international news, most honerable Hu Jintao saved a truckload of puppies and kittens from being attacked by the most evil American army personally! he lifted the truck and flew to safety himself. All hail Hu Jintao!

well somone is blocking my connections (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660789)

#dig news.bbc.co.uk ;ANSWER SECTION:
news.bbc.co.uk. 900 IN CNAME newswww.bbc.net.uk.
newswww.bbc.net.uk. 300 IN A 212.58.240.41 ;AUTHORITY SECTION:
bbc.net.uk. 172799 IN NS ns0.thny.bbc.co.uk.
bbc.net.uk. 172799 IN NS ns0.thdo.bbc.co.uk. ;ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns0.thdo.bbc.co.uk. 86399 IN A 212.58.224.20
ns0.thny.bbc.co.uk. 86399 IN A 212.58.240.20

tcpdump -i rl0 -vv host 212.58.240.41
tcpdump: listening on rl0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes
01:41:45.567427 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 54513, offset 0, flags [DF], length: 64) me.64964 > newswww1.thny.bbc.co.uk.http: S [tcp sum ok] 2997578910:2997578910(0) win 65535 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK,nop,wscale 1,nop,nop,timestamp 43747691 0> ...

01:42:19.758192 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 54599, offset 0, flags [DF], length: 48) me.64964 > newswww1.thny.bbc.co.uk.http: S [tcp sum ok] 2997578910:2997578910(0) win 65535 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK>

# mtr 212.58.240.41

  Host
  1. x.x.x.x
  2. ???
  3. to.cl.os.se
  4. 222.72.245.33
  5. 218.1.1.150
  6. 61.152.86.18
  7. ???

sorry had to trim off stuff to bypass the lame filter

For Internal Consumption Only (4, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660341)

Despite the fact that many outside of China know that it indeed does exist, this piece of news is more likely intended for those within China.

No kidding. I've met people recently from China and they don't know where we all get off on these things. They claim there are any number of small newspapers and such all over the place. They also think we tend to make a bigger deal of things than we ought and their country is just fine thank you very much.

Of course, if you grew up never knowing otherwise or thinking outside the box someone has constructed around you, you may be so indoctrinated. Same way Brits appear indoctrinated that they must read in the Sun or News of the World what trollop David Beckham is frollicking around Spain with or Americans feel the overwhelming urge to tell others how they ought to live and behave.

Those friends and colleagues listening to the BBC webcast, since we don't know otherwise, may be checking for new words or topics they need to add to their filters.

However you shake it up, China is in for a bit of adjustment when the 2008 Olympics bring people from all over the world into China where they will be expecting access to news and media as they had at home. Perhaps China has already thought of this and is constructing exclusion zones...

Four Words (3, Interesting)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660593)

Tien Anmen Google Images

Re:For Internal Consumption Only (1)

jfb3 (25523) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660721)

No, in 2008 they'll either just open up the Great Firewall or open it to those connections used by foreigners. Then afterward it'll go back to normal. They already accommodate visitors so gratuitously that it's almost embarrassing. The locals know and understand the arbitrariness of the enforcement of laws and the deference shown foreigners even they know this will happen.

Wow (2, Insightful)

Facekhan (445017) | more than 7 years ago | (#16659959)

I think this guy has never had one of his lies pointed out in his face.

Re:Wow (1)

fifedrum (611338) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660077)

anyone pointing out the lies disappears

online, or in real life

Re:Wow (4, Funny)

mctk (840035) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660149)

That's not tr^[NO CARRIER]

Re:Wow (2, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660441)

I know somebody who took a tour of Tiananmen Square [wikipedia.org] just a couple years ago. She asked the tour guide about the brutal supression of the demonstrations in 1989, and how many people died. (The Chinese Red Cross said they'd counted over 2600 dead). The tour guide said that of course he knew about the protests, but nobody had died at all.

Acutally in revisiting the link I just posted, it says: "The Chinese government has maintained that there were no deaths within the square itself, which appears to outside observers to be technically correct, as the Square itself was evacuated peacefully." So I guess any situation can be smoothed over with enough spin.

Re:Wow (1)

Stargoat (658863) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660535)

The pox marks in the outer wall of the Forbidden City that I saw two years ago would suggest otherwise.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660619)

Many, many, years ago, when I was in High School, and we wrote on clay tablets and studied by oil lamp, I went to the UN for our Model UN (one of the advantages of growing up in Connecticut) and met with some diplomats from the PRC. Chinese diplomats are pathologically incapable of giving you a straight answer. It's just in their nature to hedge, "clarify," etc. You could put a gun to their head, say "Tell me the time or I'll blow your fudging brains out" and they still wouldn't give you a straight answer, even with a GPS clock on the wall.

So, yes, this guy has lied outright, and had his lies pointed out to his face, and it didn't faze him one bit. That's his job.

Other great one-liners (1, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16659965)

In China, we don't have software blocking Internet sites. Sometimes we have trouble accessing them.

I didn't lose it, I just don't remember where I put it.

I'm not lost, I just don't know where I am.

I'm not paranoid, everyone IS out to get me!

I'm not sleeping, I'm just resting my eyes.

Are we really going to trust a nation that doesn't even follow its own constitution [intelligentblogger.com] *? Oh, that's right. There's an escape clause in there that says, "the government can steamroll the people, no matter what the Constitution says. You just can't steamroll each other." Well that's peachy keen.

* Disclaimer: Link is to an article on my blog. Do not click if you're afraid of people who link to their own blogs. P.S. Boo.

Re:Other great one-liners (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660139)

"Oh, that's right. There's an escape clause in there that says, "the government can steamroll the people, no matter what the Constitution says. You just can't steamroll each other." Well that's peachy keen."

Hey! We just got that same clause in our constitution!

-Rick

Re:Other great one-liners (1)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660251)

"It's not dead, it's just restin'."

Anyone wants to adopt the parrot sketch to this situation?

Re:Other great one-liners (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660269)

here are some more, see which country you can guess where they came from

"we don't torture"

"we don't have secret prisons"

"I don't believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons."

"Saddam was involved with bin Laden and al Qaeda in the plotting of 9/11."

"The Iraqi people are now free."

Hmmm (4, Funny)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 7 years ago | (#16659967)

Well, if his high-ranking government official collegues are able to get an uncensored Internet feed, that must mean they don't have any censorship, right?

These are not the droids you're looking for... (4, Funny)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 7 years ago | (#16659971)

Technically... in Chinese legalspeek(tm) he's probably right.

It's not "censorship" it's "protection of the people from incorrect thoughts".

Re:These are not the droids you're looking for... (2, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660079)

> Technically... in Chinese legalspeek(tm) he's probably right.
>
> It's not "censorship" it's "protection of the people from incorrect thoughts".

I can buy that. My country's lawyers say it's not torture unless there's major organ failure or death.

The USSR was the failed alpha release. The PRC is the live beta site.

Re:These are not the droids you're looking for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660517)

Indeed, if certain elements have their way, in the not-too-distant future, the USA will be the release candidate....

No, he's lying (1)

joggle (594025) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660803)

He specifically states that the BBC's website is not blocked when, in fact, it is and has been for a long time.

Looks censored to me (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16659975)

Re:Looks censored to me (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660105)

try retyping your query in Mandarin or do you think they speak and search using English words in China ?

Mod up! (2, Insightful)

nacturation (646836) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660151)

Awesome example. However, I suspect some Chinese official would come back with a response of how Google wishes to promote only peaceful images of Tiananmen Square and they had nothing to do with the image results of an American-based company.
 

Re:Looks censored to me (0, Redundant)

Etherwalk (681268) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660163)

Exactly.

(One is Tiananmen Square from google.com [google.com] , the other is Tiananmen Square from google.cn [google.cn] .)

Slashdot calls BS.

Re:Looks censored to me (1)

dazedNconfuzed (154242) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660415)

Slashdot calls BS.

.cn doesn't care.

/.? what /.?

Re:Looks censored to me (2, Insightful)

radtea (464814) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660349)

Three pages of images for China, 10+ pages for the rest of the world.

So I guess it looks censored because it is censored, and the only question that remains is: why do news organizations allowed themselves to be co-opted by the Big Lie so easily?

If the government of China announces that 2+2=5, would that be reported too? I guess in a way it is news, that a major world power is governed by a bunch of lying bastards, and that they get away with it because they will torture, kill or incarcerate anyone who points out that 2+2=4.

The curious thing about news coverage is that it is not now and never has been about telling the truth. It has always been about reporting a mixture of what people want to hear (sex and scandal) and what the powerful want people to believe (lies and misdirection.)

The 'Net is a huge threat to the powers that be because it allows ordinary people to find out for themselves what is going on. The effects of this are only begining to be felt. It will take a generation or more to really make a difference. But at the end of the day we can be sure it will.

Re:Looks censored to me (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660523)

So I guess it looks censored because it is censored, and the only question that remains is: why do news organizations allowed themselves to be co-opted by the Big Lie so easily?

Because money+money=more money, and ethics+ethics=less money.

Re:Looks censored to me (2, Informative)

siufish (814496) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660677)

It's not hard to understand. China did not censor the images. Google, a US company, did. .cn does not mean it belongs to the Chinese government. You can say Google gave in to pressure from the government, but ultimately it is Google's decision.

Do you get it now? The Chinese government "don't have software blocking Internet sites." Companies who want to do business in China do.

We don't censor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16659993)

See, do you hear anyone saying otherwise?

What about the reverse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660011)

Can I tell my clients "I have censored your email server. It isn't down. You can get email from everyone I approve and today, that's no one."

*fitting the captcha is 'rickshaw'

Great Pumpkin (0, Offtopic)

chipper (21422) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660013)

And I'm going to hold my breath while I wait for the Great Pumpkin tonight.

-Chipper

It's nice to know (1)

overshoot (39700) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660017)

that China has so much respect for tradition.

Like, for instance, the Big Lie.

Google (1)

doctor_nation (924358) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660021)

Quick! Someone call Google and tell them they don't have to censor their search results anymore! After all, if this guys says it, it must be true, right?

They can always turn the censoring off... (0, Flamebait)

mi (197448) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660031)

For a day... They can also allow certain networks (ones, where any would-be inspectors will be checking) unlimited access.

They are, after all, Communists — don't ever forget that...

Re:They can always turn the censoring off... (1)

Goeland86 (741690) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660327)

No. Let me fix your mistake. Communism means everyone gets everything equally. They are TOTALITARIANS. They believe in government control everywhere. Communism, or actually, Marxism to be precise, means everyone has access to all the information equally. In a truly marxist system, the leaders are in no way above the common man. Unfortunately, the problem with Marx's theory is that he forgot a major piece of human nature, greed. That's why the people who are supposed to be communists, and share everything, don't. Like information. The PRC is a totalitarian country, regardless of their political face and speeches. They control virtually everything, and they don't allow people who might propose new ideas, or a change that would weaken the oligarchs to happen. It's sad really, but it's a simple flaw that exists in the human nature. Everyone wants power, and those at the top have it, thus they want to keep it. So blocking off parts of the web they don't think are appropriate is just yet another way of ensuring they don't allow weaknesses to enter their system while they wack out the old ones. Of course, it's always a dynamic situation with new cracks in their "great firewall of China".

Re:They can always turn the censoring off... (1)

lixee (863589) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660393)

If you dislike Bush, you should abhor Chavez
Sure, Chavez's the one with a mega army going around invading countries and killing people. Oh, wait...nevermind

Re:They can always turn the censoring off... (2, Insightful)

inviolet (797804) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660623)

Sure, Chavez's the one with a mega army going around invading countries and killing people. Oh, wait...nevermind

True enough. Perhaps the original poster's point was that Chavez would go around invading countries and killing people, if he only had access to a mega army. He and Bush being kindred spirits and all.

In any case, take care not to equate 'invasion' with 'immoral'. An invasion can be moral, depending on who the target is and what the invader's goals and methods are.

hmmm... (2, Funny)

alx5000 (896642) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660037)

1. Smash up Human Rights.
2. Get all the International Community busy discussing some nonsensical omfg-lmao statement you make.
3. Profit.

Re:hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660237)

And this differs from Bush's view of the world how?

Re:hmmm... (1)

alx5000 (896642) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660715)

Apply it to whomever you may need to. Defendin' Bush is not in my to-do pile (I'm not even from the US).

Re:hmmm... (1)

dangerz (540904) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660321)

1. Make huge mistakes that destroy the reputation of a country. 2. Make idiot comments and do clumsy things so people focus on those and call you a dummy all the while forgetting all the other stuff. 3. Profit.

Re:hmmm... (1)

thelost (808451) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660401)

Technically, if it's China we're talking about it would be a 5 point plan, maybe with red highlights.

Re:hmmm... (1)

Phu5ion (838043) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660551)

Stay on topic!
Stay on topic!

We are talking about China here, not the US.

no filters (3, Insightful)

yakumo.unr (833476) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660065)

tiananmen square [slashdot.org] didn't happen either, why would we need such a thing as a filter. And no idea what google is talking about [slashdot.org] at all

If it were only that easy... (2, Funny)

binaryspiral (784263) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660089)

"A Chinese government official at a United Nations summit in Athens on internet governance has claimed that no Net censorship exists at all in China.

If truth was that easy.

I'm a millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht.

You forgot (1)

Lanoitarus (732808) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660211)

...and a girlfriend. Oh, and you dont refresh slashdot every 10 minutes. Then again, maybe taking care of the last one would help with the first three.... but ill let someone else check and get back to me :)

Re:If it were only that easy... (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660433)

Elmer, is that you?

There are no tanks in Baghdad! (4, Funny)

Jonsey (593310) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660095)

I think I've found Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf's [wikipedia.org] new job.

Spin for one government is the same as a spin for another government, right?

Trust The Computer, The Computer is your Friend. Happiness is Mandatory! (I'm dressed as a troubleshooter [wikipedia.org] this Halloween, but an Iraqi Information Minister would have worked as well)

Re:There are no tanks in Baghdad! (1)

blamanj (253811) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660745)

Really? I thought he was working in Washington, DC these days. You know, "We've never been stay the course." [thinkprogress.org]

Good to see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660107)

that the Iraqi Information Minister found a new job.

Uh, slight correction (2, Funny)

repvik (96666) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660109)

I think this:

In China, we don't have software blocking Internet sites. Sometimes we have trouble accessing them. But that's a different problem.

should've read:

In China, we don't have software blocking Internet sites. Sometimes we have trouble accessing them. But that's because the hardware filters doesn't work most of the time.

Re:Uh, slight correction (1)

pikine (771084) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660449)

That's actually correct. Last time I heard about the newest China firewall technology, they were using Cisco's IDS (intrusion detection system) to make these network devices flag censored keywords as intrusion. The network responds to this by dropping the connection and blacklist the origin of attack---websites---for a predetermined period, which results in these websites being blocked.

O RLY? (3, Informative)

focitrixilous P (690813) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660119)

So, searching for any topic on google in china would give the same results, correct?

US Image Search for Tiananmen Square [google.com]

China Image Search for the same [google.cn]

Who doesn't censor the internet, now?

Re:O RLY? (3, Funny)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660207)

Well it's obvious that Google.cn just hasn't had the opportunity to index the entire internet. You know that the internet is a pretty big place and Google.cn is still fairly new. Give it 10-15 years and check again.

Re:O RLY? (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660563)

Also interesting, there are only 3 pages of photos on Google China, and 34 pages of photos on Google.com

I suppose next they'll tell us Chinese people are not interested in their own country?

Who was the Iraqi Information Minister? (1)

jfinke (68409) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660123)

Did he move to China?

New job (2, Funny)

rlp (11898) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660125)

Glad to see 'Baghdad Bob' was able to find employment working for the Chinese government.

Like we didnt do this (3, Informative)

Ancient_Hacker (751168) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660131)

Sometimes when you buy an old radio in Wisconsin, where lots of German immigrants settled, you'll find all the shortwave radio coils have been snipped out. In WW2 the govt censored SW reception by going into people's houses and doctoring their radios so they couldnt puick up far-away radio stations. Not one of the highpoints of the bill of rights.

Re:Like we didnt do this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660395)

Well, since "we" did it more than 60 years ago, I guess that makes it OK for China to do it now, then. Also, everyone on the Internet is either an American or a Chinese.

dumbshit.

That's a blatant lie (0, Troll)

azav (469988) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660143)

One of my friends (some famous game developer) was messaging me from China on iChat.

I said to myself, "gee, I wonder if China really does censor material and boot people off the internet for looking at nonapproved material?"

So I sent him a jpeg of some hot naked chick.

"Blip!" His account was almost immediately disconnected.

Later, from another connection, he told me "thanks for being an asshole and getting me disconnected from the internet. They censor stuff over here ya know."

At least he now knows that I wield complete control over his internet connectivity as long as he stays in China.

MUAHAHAAHHAAAA.

Bagdad Bob (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660147)

China: We don't censor the Internet. Really
Really? And pigs can fly?

In China, we don't have software blocking Internet sites.
What about hardware blocking?

A wild guess: the blocking is quite crappy (or perhaps its done deliberately), resulting in some sites being accessible given certain conditions.

Lesson learned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660165)

Looks like the Chinese government has learned a lesson from the Bush administration: say something often enough, no matter how blatantly in error it is, and people will start believing it....

Wow! (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660191)

It's not every day that you can catch a commie telling a baldfaced lie like this. These days, they usually go for the weasel approach.

-jcr

World Wide Web of Lies (-1, Offtopic)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660197)

Then he said "we have never been stay the course" [google.com] , and ""the us doesn't torture" [google.com] . Oh, did you say "China"? I thought you were talking about Tony Snow [google.com] . I'm sure if you asked Snowjob if he were getting fired^Wpromoted after the Republican catastrophe^Wvictory at the polls next week, he'd tell you he never worked for Bush, and we never invaded Iraq [onegoodmove.org] .

Learn to read you moron (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660409)

Oh, did you say "China"?

The first word in the headline: China.

Maybe if you bothered to even glance at the actual story, you wouldn't have wasted so much of your valuable time to bash Bush in a completely unrelated topic.

Mods, stop encouraging this lunatic and mod him down to oblivion.

Searching different in China (3, Interesting)

PoconoPCDoctor (912001) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660201)

I think just using the CN in a google search must not be returning the same results, but there's no way for me to test this.

For instance - plug in the term censorship in the same link that the AC used -

http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=censorship& btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2%E5%9B%BE%E7%89%87&ie=UTF-8 &oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw [google.cn]

I saw links to Wiki with full articles on censorship in the ROC. Would this work if searched while located in Bejing or anywhere else in the ROC? My guess is no. Other hardware filters are in place.

Re:Searching different in China (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660501)

The ROC is Taiwan. The PRC is mainland China.

Hey, it happened to Telus too... (1)

NFN_NLN (633283) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660233)

I remember when the Telus workers went on strike and anyone with a Telus account was unable to get to the strikers web-blog due to technical, uhh hum, difficulties. Of course in hind sight it all makes sense because those technical difficulties were most likely due to staff shortages :).

The UN should let China control the internet (2, Funny)

the Gray Mouser (1013773) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660265)

Now, if the UN were to wrest control of the internet from the US, they could allow China to handle its operations.

After all, they're already running their own network quite efficiently, and with no censorship whatsoever.

Halloween fools! (1)

Lewrker (749844) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660277)

Oh the cultural differences!

How could such a blatant lie last for long? (2, Insightful)

Kr0m (900780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660307)

I mean, really...this guy comes out to the U.N. with a comment he just cannot later deny. What else could happen other than this becoming a huge deal with dozens of more reports citing examples of how their filtering works. I don't understand how this guy actually thinks he could get away with such a thing!?

New nickname for this guy... (2, Funny)

AceCaseOR (594637) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660315)

I hereby dub this clown Bejing Bob.

We don't censor... (1)

OldChemist (978484) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660323)

Just as Bush/Cheney "don't torture" ?

Right, Long Live The Revolution, Comrade (3, Insightful)

Phat_Tony (661117) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660329)

Just like Tibet has always been a part of China, but was momentarily mislead by the dangerous oppression of the Dalai Lama, until the people of Tibet rose up with the welcomed support of their Chinese brothers in a glorious revolution to overthrow their Buddhist oppressors and rejoin their traditional homeland.

I was just in China (3, Informative)

todesengel (722281) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660337)

and I tested this out. Searching for "Tiananmen square" yields plenty of results, but 90% of them weren't accessible. I never had any other "connection problems" other times I was on the web.

Subvert! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660359)

Subvert censorship... join AnoNet [brinkster.net] .

google knows all (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660365)

1. go to http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen [google.cn]
2. look at the bottom left of the page, there's a string of chinese characters
3. use google language tools to translate that string.
4. it says: "According to local laws, regulations, and policies, some search results are not shown."
5. indeed, search for "tiananmen" in http://images.google.com/images?q=tiananmen [google.com] and compare

no censorship! just local laws, regulations, and policies. some results are not shown, big deal.

plausible deniability... (1)

thekm (622569) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660389)

...china doesn't restrict the internet that this representative uses, to him, his internet is a free as a bird, he can also download illegal mp3's and movies about democracy... so he can go to the UN and have plausible deniability! -------------- Q.E.D.

The Information Minsiter has been found... (1)

eamacnaghten (695001) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660391)

I think I have just discovered where the old Iraqi Information Minister has ended up....

In other news... (0, Troll)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660439)

The U.S. says they don't censor news stories.

We don't have a "great" wall (2, Insightful)

Ant2 (252143) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660477)

In China, we don't have a "great" wall blocking our border. Sometimes we have trouble navigating the difficult terrain or sometimes see inaccurate satellite photos. But that's a different problem.

Infidels! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16660479)

"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"

if thats the case... (1)

thedrunkensailor (992824) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660485)

then why was elgoog.com created at all?

evil Slashdot (1)

Rudisaurus (675580) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660489)

I wonder if Slashdot is on the banned list.

Any Slashdotters from China out there? Hello?

Re:evil Slashdot (1)

manincoma (1012559) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660685)

Sorry, but Slashdot is not evil enough to get blocked in China.

"We don't torture." - Bush (1)

p2sam (139950) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660525)

"We don't censor." - China

Yeah right... (1)

Metroid72 (654017) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660537)

And we don't torture.

He is technically correct... (4, Insightful)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660547)

The PRoC government doesn't censor the internet. The private sector companies does it for them, "voluntary."

of course they don't (1)

chanceH (197827) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660559)

These aren't the droids you are looking for.

You don't need to see our identification.

We can move along now.

Animal Farm - redux (1)

i81b4u (716138) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660605)

"In China, we don't have software blocking Internet sites. Sometimes we have trouble accessing them. But that's a different problem. I know that some colleagues listen to the BBC in their offices from the Webcast. And I've heard people say that the BBC is not available in China or that it's blocked. I'm sure I don't know why people say this kind of thing. We do not have restrictions at all."

So, some people get it, some don't?

To quote a line from animal farm - "All pigs are created equal, but some pigs are more equal that others".

Kinda fits here.

The Art of War, The Art of Deception (1)

meburke (736645) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660659)

First of all, the official ws lying: China does censor the Internet and vigorously pursues people who send or receive pornography and politically sensitive material (ask the Falun Gong or Catholic communities).

Then why does the official lie? This is part of the process of achieving your objective by using deception. It is a respected strategy in China, Japan, and Korea. It has its roots in "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu, along with other "Bin Fa". A good description of dealing with Asians can be found in, "The Asian Mind Game" by Chin-ning Chu.

The Clinton Administration brags a lot about the agreements they made with North Korea over nukes: The Koreans were using this strategy to achieve their objectives and had no intention of adhering to the agreements. Christopher Warren was totally "gamed" by China, and all he would have needed to understand what was going on would have been to read Chu's book first. He might not have made so many lousy concessions if he had. Too be fair, though, every Western government has fallen prey to this strategy. The Western weakness is expecting openess and honesty to be valued the same way among Asians. So, trade agreements with China, Japan and Korea will be honored only so long as it is advantageous for the Asians, then they will be discarded as if they never existed. We will lose a lot of trade to China, for instance, and give them terms so good we will be disadvantaged, and then any benefits we expected to receive from expectations of reciprocal concern will never materialize.

Anytime we suggest that China is censoring the Internet you will hear protestations to the contrary. If we confront them with facts, they will tell us we misunderstand the situation, but they will "look into it." They will never look into it. They will simply have diverted our concerns so they can keep playing the same game.

maybe it isn't a lie? (1)

destroygbiv (896968) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660711)

I had the pleasure of working with a Chinese woman over the summer. She came to Canada last year. She says they don't censor the internet, and most if not all information we hold as correct is actually false regarding China. It's communist China, so of course they're lying, right? ... I don't know who to listen to. Everyone has an agenda

denial is (1)

splatter (39844) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660713)


Denial is a wonderful river, just not a great way to run your life, or country.

Sad thing is no-one was there to repute him, after the fact doesn't change the previous message, so it just adds another brick on the preverbial firewall.

On another subject (1)

Quila (201335) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660769)

So, when they're sitting on the United Nations Human Rights Council, do they say "We do not have capital punishment. I have heard that some people die while in prison, but we do not know the reason why. We will look into it."

Yes yes... (2, Funny)

spiritraveller (641174) | more than 7 years ago | (#16660805)

I'm sure I don't know why people say this kind of thing.

If I were from China, I would probably be sure that I didn't know too.
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