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Groups Call For Investigation of MS Ad Service

samzenpus posted more than 7 years ago | from the learning-all-about-you dept.

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narramissic writes, "The Center for Digital Democracy and the U.S. Public Interest Research Group have filed a complaint with the FTC, asking for an investigation into Microsoft's use of customer data collection in its adCenter Web advertising service. The groups claim that 'Microsoft has embarked on a wide-ranging data collection and targeting scheme that is deceptive and unfair to millions of users.' Microsoft, for its part, says the groups 'have got it all wrong.'"

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Well... (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682405)

That was about contentless, other than blatant MS bashing.

Well, we had older things like the mm2048 and mm256 garbage with Win98 and Win95, along with the NSAkey. The difference is there WAS PROOF.

Where's the proof MS is at it again?

Re:Well... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16682435)

That was about contentless, other than blatant MS bashing.

Just like Slashdot.

Re:Well... (2, Insightful)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682509)

Please. There's a very vocal minority who despises Microsoft and those who support them.

I remember the time when Slashdot was Taco's project. He opened the stats to this place, and lo and behold it represented standard traffic patterns. The supposed "linux lovers" were really Windows haters who didn't know how to make Linux usable. If anything, when slashdot was bought, those traffic patterns were removed, so that we cant see that embarrassment.

Aside from that loud minority, most people here are sane, science-loving people. Computers and their application is just a part of it.

Re:Well... (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682959)

Aside from that loud minority, most people here are sane, science-loving people.

Actually, that does not appear to be true, either. I have seen a number of ppl here who are pushing ID (creationism) and the same ppl are claiming that global warming is a myth. That is a large group of ppl here who ignore logic and science. And I am not convinced that they are a minority.

Re:Well... (1)

ehrichweiss (706417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683119)

"and the same ppl are claiming that global warming is a myth."

OT, but... Actually, global warming could be a myth, and I'm not one to believe in ID or any of that silly superstitious crap. The reason it may be a myth is simple: volcanoes. Each one puts out more pollution in a day than we can possibly put out in our lifetimes, IIRC, and when the major content of that pollution is sulfur dioxide, it changes to sulfuric acid when it hits moisture, which creates a COOLING effect because H2SO4 acts as a mirror.

From http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2006/1 0/23/5718 [arstechnica.com] :
Nature lent credence to this radical idea through two events, the 1982 eruption of the volcano El Chichón and the more recent eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991. The eruption of Pinatubo left large quantities of water droplets containing sulfuric acid, each of which reflected some of the sun's energy away from the earth--enough in fact to cool the earth at a rate of about 0.5 oC/yr for almost two years after the eruption.


While this article wasn't saying that we were facing global cooling(they wanted to use the idea to fight global warming), any increase in volcanic activity would create that exact effect. So at the moment, the warming aspect isn't quite so set in stone as we would like to think.

Excellent! So instead of hiring more pirates.... (1)

CFD339 (795926) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684585)

....and lets face it, the population of the world has grown substantially since the 18th century, and hiring enough pirates to equal the per capita ratio of pirates to non-pirates in an attempt to resolve global warning would be very very costly.... we can just use some of those old, useless nukes and blow the shit out of a magma cap on some unnecessary hunk of rock out in the Pacific ocean. Just blowing the crap out of the cap on one of those volcanoes should do the trick. Maybe at a rate of one volcano per year we can consume all the fuel we like and even burn all our trash! Hell, toss in an extra couple of lava flows per year and we can go back to aerosol deodorants!

Re:Well... (1)

certain death (947081) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683465)

**clears throat** WTF DOES THAT have to do with MS being sued over advertising?!?!?!?!?

Re:Well... (-1, Offtopic)

E++99 (880734) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683867)

I have seen a number of ppl here who are pushing ID (creationism) and the same ppl are claiming that global warming is a myth. That is a large group of ppl here who ignore logic and science. And I am not convinced that they are a minority.


Oh, I see, it's LOGIC AND SCIENCE that convinces people to buy into global warming hysteria and insist on a form evolution that necessarily happened by a strictly random process. Now I understand. Of course instead of actual science you're talking about an ideology that only accepts things that are incompatible with the existence of God, and instead of actual logic, you're talking about the ideology that everyone who dissagrees with the dogma is necessarily too stupid to argue with, so arguements need not be used.

Re:Well... (1)

aweraw (557447) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684833)

Yes, logic AND science...

insist on a form evolution that necessarily happened by a strictly random process

Wrong. Natural selection (a.k.a evolution) is not random. It's quite the opposite. Those animals who are best suited to their environment survive and prosper. If you want to tell me that "oh, genetic mutations are random!"

an ideology that only accepts things that are incompatible with the existence of God

Wrong again... at least by the definition of God I know. What you really mean is INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE BIBLE. The God I was taught about as a child was such a smarty pants know it all that, get this, he incorporated evolutionary traits in to his intelligent design of life. Incompatible my ass!

you're talking about the ideology that everyone who dissagrees with the dogma is necessarily too stupid to argue with

Hmmm, so what about the dogma you're bandying about in saying that evolution is incompatible with god? It would seem that you believe anyone who disagrees with _your_ dogma is an idiot and arguments need not be used.

Do us a favour: get back on your high horse, and ride off into the sunset, dumb-ass. People like you only serve to further polarize the situation.

Re:Well... (1)

Squirrelgirl (680742) | more than 7 years ago | (#16726763)

I find riding into the sunset a romantic idea though... ;)

Re:Well... (1)

blackest_k (761565) | more than 7 years ago | (#16687607)

it would be interesting to see the stats now,

I think the use of linux is going up, I expect on a site like slashdot the percentage would be higher than the general population much like firefox.

I'd expect a fair number of Vista users too for much the same reasons.

Re:Well... (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 7 years ago | (#16693337)

The supposed "linux lovers" were really Windows haters who didn't know how to make Linux usable.

Or, they were people who primarily surfed Slashdot when slacking off at work where they had no control over the OS of their machine and who did other things in the evening when they were on their home machines.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16683063)

So, if a few murderers moved in next door to you, you would feel perfectly safe? Afterall, there is no proof that they will kill again.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16683153)

So, if a few murderers moved in next door to you, you would feel perfectly safe? Afterall, there is no proof that they will kill again.

Absolutely! Becuase, I know that life is terminal, i.e. I'm going to die anyway. And I know for a fact that living your life in fear of terrorism, someone you live leaving you, someone on /. flaming you, someone mugging you, a meteorite hitting you, the Earth exploding, cancer (there's a few poor bastards here on /. fighting that), Bush taking over the country and establishing a dictatorship, Osama Bin Laden writing a new US Constitution (which he's doing indirectly), I could go on ad nauseum...

the point is WTF?!?! Comparing MS to a murderer?!? Jesus Mutherfucking Christ! Get a FUCKING GRIP!!!!

If MS is your worst nightmare, take off your diapers, tell mommy that you're grown up now!

Fuck'n A you people need to get a grip.

Re:Well... (1)

Xiph (723935) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685801)

the thing is.. what upsets him is that now, ms is not only digging in at his freedom of choice (by abusing a monopoly) they're also systematically invading our right of privacy. A lot of people have given their lives to defend at least one of these things, comparing them to a murderer might be a bit off, comparing them to a soviet dictator might be more on the spot, of course, some of those were murderers and microsoft haven't been shown to do this (yet ;)

How about... (1)

Gription (1006467) | more than 7 years ago | (#16688271)

The largest percentage of people who browse the internet use Internet Explorer. Every time you type in a URL but don't type in "http:// in front of the address, you are doing a search. It will take you right to the website but you have also told MS where you are browsing.

The default setting for IE is to search from the Address Bar. You have to manually change it to "Do not search...". What generic user is going to do that? The default search is microsoft.com and about the only reason that it would be changed is if the computer is all spywared up.

Even if you do trust Microsoft to "do the right thing"... Do you trust ANY large corporation to gather this type of information and not use it for their benefit. (and not yours)

My eyes can't roll any harder, damnit. (3, Funny)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682493)

I think I'll go off to Google and look up 'eye rolling' to see what friendly vendors might chime in on an organic supplement I might purchase. And if I get any e-mail from my friends on the subject via my gmail box, I'm sure a slightly more targeted ad will help me out even further.

And, if I forget to pursue this until next month, I think I can be comfortable knowing that since Google knows everything, they'll still be there to help me out.

*eyes roll all the way around, back to slashdot*

Doesn't matter! Sue Microsoft! Investigate!

EXACTLY! (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682673)

I don't put any particularly sensitive info on GMail or Live Mail, because I know it will be monitored. On the other hand, advertising does help keep a lot of web pages and services (like webmail) free. I'm not going to bitch if, in a discussion of stocks, Google (or MS) finds I'm more likely to click on one online stock broker than another. I'm even LESS likely to bitch if they then post a link to that broker prominently when I search something stock-related, rather than prominently posting some other broker and hiding the one I like behind a link or two.

Anybody who thinks these services work without reading your input and working from what it provides needs to stop believing in magic. However, since Google is non-evil and MS isn't (or at least, that's not their motto) We clearly need to get on MS's case about this... </sarcasm>

Re:My eyes can't roll any harder, damnit. (1)

strider44 (650833) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683979)

I think that the difference is supposed to be that Google collects info only about the page you're visiting, while Microsoft are tracking individual users. That's my impression of this anyway.

Re:My eyes can't roll any harder, damnit. (1)

peterfa (941523) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684619)

Eat carrots.

Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16682519)

I submited this one and it got rejected. Maybe because the bad guy are Firefox/Google.

Is Firefox/Google Spying on Your News Feeds?

http://legroom.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=New s&file=article&sid=215&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 [legroom.net]

Oh, wait!! This is Slash dot. Stupid me!!!

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16682593)

Wow!

I did submit the same article and guess what? It got rejected too. And THIS one get published????

Well, there is no bias in slashdot... I guess, yeah, right

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16682655)

Pretty interesting. I can confirm that!
There something VERY FISHY with Firefox/Google.
Why didn't that got published? This is a GREAT history and something refreshing else than the old tired MS=bad, Mozilla=good argument?

Well, you got 2 words right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16682915)

The last 2.

Identity (1)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682555)

I'm safe from identity theft. I took all of my ID, and locked it in my luggage I bought off of eBay using Linux. Then I wrapped the suit case in tin foil, and placed it in a secret location (under my bed). If Microsoft wants to get my identity, they'll have to find the suitcase and know my secret 5 digit password...

Re:Identity (1)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682749)

they'll have to find the suitcase and know my secret 5 digit password...
Ha, I already know it..... "12345"

Re:Identity (1)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682775)

Damnit! I have to rewrap that tinfoil. I'll be right back.

Re:Identity (1)

Lordpidey (942444) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683195)

12345? Thats amazing! Thats my password too!

Re:Identity (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16688525)

and why didn't someone tell me my ass was so big?!

Re:Identity (1)

pixelised (965919) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683949)

You have 12345 as your password? I would have thought us geeks would be using military grade passwords, like zero five times! :p

Where? (1)

gaanagaa (784648) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682559)

Do they have an Ad service? 'cough'

Re:Where? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16682969)

yeah they do, one of the most profitable on the net apart from google.

Wait till you see Vista & WGA on etherpeek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16682567)


then you can see why its a marketeers dream

the Internet and network apps are rapidly just turning it all into an advert sh1tfest, with millions of sites just dedicated to being the middleman. look at Digg's articles for example
most are just filled with vapid random kids blogs all vying for ad impressions by using articles ripped from real news sites, or just linking to the real news story or n articles on how to increase your adsense revenue, no articles on how to create original content that people will actually want to read, or direct links to interesting stories its all the same ripped articles except maximised for advert keyword density and search engine poisoning
there are two business models on the Internet, Advertising and Subscription
no love, no passion , just greed

Just because it's MS...? (2, Insightful)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682577)

Question: Did these groups say anything about Google's AdSense?

Honestly, anybody who looks at those targeted ads must realize that information is being harvested to create them. You know what? Good for them! I'd MUCH rather have a service that finds ads of companies I'm interested in than one which either:

1) Slaps up random ads to dating sites, unrelated services also provided by the host company who's service I'm using, etc.

2) Charges me even slightly to offset costs of data storage, server maintenance, R&D, bandwidth, etc.

Re:Just because it's MS...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16683101)

anybody who looks at those targeted ads must realize that information is being harvested to create them. You know what? Good for them! I'd MUCH rather have a service that finds ads of companies I'm interested in than one which either...

Yeah! Because databases that try to profile people are never used against their subjects' interests, nor do they ever contain errors that end up causing seriously out of proportion unforeseen consequences.

Re:Just because it's MS...? (1)

ehrichweiss (706417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683203)

I use Adsense and as far as I have been able to notice it gathers information from the website's content, not the user's browsing habits per se.

Re:Just because it's MS...? (1)

Duggeek (1015705) | more than 7 years ago | (#16711405)

I'm backing-up this one, because search-engine optimization is part of my business.

AdSense is a relational database of web sites and their categories (ebusiness, community, retail, travel, etc.) that only tracks behaviors by "clicks" visitors take -->through--> AdSense [google.com]

If you don't click on a Google ad, then nothing is recorded at Google.

The part about IP address tracking is also true; you can't easily hide your IP, nor would you want to. (But it's a real good way to get the Feds to watch you... closely)

I can't see anything wrong with using my IP address to identify advertising that applies to my local area. It's better than seeing ads for a skateboard shop in Hoboken that I'll never visit.

All the other nay-speak about Google is simply F-U-D. They've got the model MS should be using.

Re:Just because it's MS...? (1)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683599)

Question: Did these groups say anything about Google's AdSense?

Didn't see any mention of them in the article. I'd imagine this is one of two things:

1) FUD - pure and simple: "Oh no, Microsoft steals our personal data!"
2) Since Microsoft is the smaller player in the market, and attacking them is also so much more acceptable, they might just be going after Microsoft first to get more people on board. I'd imagine it would be much easier to stir up support for your agenda if it's anti-Microsoft than if it was anti-Google in the present climate, even if Microsoft and Google are doing essentially the same thing.

Re:Just because it's MS...? (1)

Pofy (471469) | more than 7 years ago | (#16686105)

>Didn't see any mention of them in the article. I'd imagine this is one of two things:

Actually there was a whole paragraph about it:

"Chester called online data collection "pervasive and ubiquitous" and said the two groups focused first on Microsoft because it has told potential advertisers its data collection techniques are better than those used by rivals such as Google Inc. and Yahoo Inc."

Its scary (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 7 years ago | (#16686373)

Honestly, anybody who looks at those targeted ads must realize that information is being harvested to create them.

The other day I was on some site with google ads and the advertisment was trying to sell me something like bike shops in Melbourne, Australia which is scary because I do live in that city and I do buy a lot from bike shops but the site I was browsing had nothing to do with that.

Re:Its scary (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 7 years ago | (#16687471)

I can't explain the bike reference, but the fact that your location has been revealed is quite easy. It's your IP address. I often get ads targeted to my region and they are not ad-words. It is, however, definitely the IP. When I'm at home "Luxembourg" shows up. I used to work for a company that had a huge intranet and their Internet connection was in the UK. When I surfed on that network, the ads were definitely targeted to UK surfers (which was odd, because I was in Luxembourg). Last week, I was in Brussels and, 'lo and behold: ads targeted to people in Brussels!

It's all in the IP... The bike part, may indeed be due to data mining tough.

I know! (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682611)

They have it all wrong, it was the one armed man!

Interesting but...... (1)

RavensDark (321683) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682687)

The group is calling for an investigation of Online Advertising and Consumer Tracking and Targeting Practices http://http//www.democraticmedia.org/issues/privac y/FTCprivacypr.html/ [http] . It isnt just focusing on M$ but others as well. Hmmmm people see M$ and the blinkers go on I guess.

Re:Interesting but...... (1)

Jeian (409916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683703)

If it hadn't bashed Microsoft, it wouldn't have made Slashdot.

Re:Interesting but...... (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683889)

What is even weirder is the microsofties see M$ and somehow it is slashdot's fault and all those biased slashdotters picking on M$ yet again. The microtrolls seem to blame /.ers for everything that goes wrong at M$. Why can't they understand that most people neither hate nor like M$, they how ever do hate some or M$'s corporate practices and voice their opinions on those practices, even when it disagrees with the M$ corporate marketing strategy (yeah I know, those naughty consumers, they are just meant to buy product and shutup ;-)).

I'll opt-in with one condition (2, Funny)

Statecraftsman (718862) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682705)

I would like to opt-in with one condition. MS should be limited to using only piecharts and spreadsheets on my data. No pivot tables, histograms, or Crystal Reports will be allowed to process my usage information.

I only like my data abused in certain ways for free. If they want to pay for the use of my data with the more powerful tools, I may decide to license them that right. They can call me and we'll negotiate an EULA.

Real article and PD study (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16682871)


instead of linking to an advert laden pseudo IT site, try the real source

http://www.democraticmedia.org/issues/privacy/FTCa dlinks.html [democraticmedia.org]

with a wave of a hand (1)

phrostie (121428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16682917)

*waves hand

that isn't the collected data you are looking for

Microsoft marketing and blogs (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16682937)

Microsoft marketing pay blogs to shill for Microsoft, either by promoting Microsoft's products or by bashing competitor's products.

They also encourage their employees to post positive comments on blogs.

Watch out, Microsoft is the master at hype and marketing.

mod Up (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16683057)

an7thing can Real problems that time I'm Done here, you got there. Or

Replace yro.slashdot.org with fud.slashdot.org? (1)

fortinbras47 (457756) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683331)

It's just an idea!

no different than... (1)

CDPatten (907182) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683709)

Google. Well actually, the truth is Google collects far more information and is much better at it.

The real difference is that MS is telling people what they are collecting and how they use it and Google doesn't. Yahoo is awfully quite on the subject too!

Class action lawsuit, yawn (1)

wealthychef (584778) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683781)

Justice will be served, just leave it to the lawyers! Valiant "civic minded" lawyers will take up this incredibly important cause. In 9 months, 17 million people will get a confusing letter in the snail mail, explaining in the fine print that they get a free coupon for 3 blank CDs and a check for $3.12, in return for waiving their rights to sue Microsoft themselves. The lawyers will make $378,000 each for their valiant efforts.

Re:Class action lawsuit, yawn (1)

Panaqqa (927615) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684305)

Only $378,000 each? C'mon, when the dust settles on this type of stuff, we know that $378,000 per lawyer won't even be close to the actual legal fees. Try adding at least one "0" to that figure. "We must prevent the proceeds of this lawsuit from being frittered away on the Plaintiffs."

just another pig in the poke (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683845)

considering all the advertising Yahoo, Google, and any other advertising agency that uses the internet, plus all the advertising that gets spewed on Television and Radio, billboards on the side of the road, and all other advertising i missed mentioning, microsoft is just another pig in the poke looking to shove its hungry snout in to the swill...

__all advertising sucks, if i need something i will let you know, until then = STFU!

This just in... (1)

definate (876684) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683921)

...someone has filed a complaint against Microsoft. News at 11.

More Details? (1)

DavidD_CA (750156) | more than 7 years ago | (#16683935)

What does Microsoft do that Yahoo, AOL, and Google haven't been doing for their search/advertising for years now?

Google collects more data than Microsoft (2, Interesting)

pcause (209643) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684007)

The recent AOL data leak showed that as big or bigger threats can come from our search data. These folks are grandstanding by going after Microsoft and not the other players. They know that no one will criticize them for bashing Microsoft and that others, like Google have better press and have folled more users, and so are tougher targets. Also, as opposed to Google, Microsoft is more sensitive to the criticism because of the past anti-trust issues and are more likely to respond. Google's response to people like content owners who don't like Google's use of their copyrighted materials without permission, have found that Google's reaction is to claim they are doing public good and then fight in court.

The best example of the threat we face to our privacy from all of these folks is Google. Not Google bashing, just pointing out that they are collecting the most data about us. Google is also collecting more of our use and web patterns through Google desktop and toolbar. Add in the fact that they have your cell number, are indexing your email, have your calendar, etc. Our only protection is they sya that their culture is to "do no evil", but we don't know who defines "evil" and what that definition is. What if the Chinese government wants the data? Will Google provide it so they can stay in the market? They caved on filtering.

Whether is is Microsoft, Google, Yahoo or someone else, the more we are online the more we are telling third parties about us and we have no protections about what they do with the data. These folks all have "terms of use" and simply by using their services you've agreed to them, even if you didn't actually read the terms (almost no one does and most don't even see the link). And if you read the TOS you are pretty unlikely to know what they collect and what they do with it.

Good that the discussion is starting, but wrong target. It is really the whole lot of these guys

Re:Google collects more data than Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685077)

The difference is that MS's product (AdCenter) has access also to demographic information that you specify through your Hotmail account...

Re:Google collects more data than Microsoft (1)

pcause (209643) | more than 7 years ago | (#16715949)

Google has the information about you from GMail, Google Talk, Google Bookmarks, etc. You get the idea. They all have this kind of informaiton.

Re:Google collects more data than Microsoft (1)

Duggeek (1015705) | more than 7 years ago | (#16711685)

Talk about FUD! Except this goes upwards into sheer paranoia.

Google's response to people like content owners who don't like Google's use of their copyrighted materials without permission, have found that Google's reaction is to claim they are doing public good and then fight in court.

Can you tell me how Google makes a profit from conveying the copyrighted materials? They don't sell any of the photos or videos that come-up in a search. They do that for free. Without a profit-motive, it's very hard for anyone to sue Google for conveying licensed/copyrighted content. It's no wonder they fight it in court, because the other guy doesn't have a case!

Google is also collecting more of our use and web patterns through Google desktop and toolbar.

Is that so? Ordinarily, Google Toolbar only logs data that barely indicates that it successfully installed... and that's all it will ever do unless you actually use it. Even then, the only information it sends are based on the information that is absolutely necessary for the advanced features to even work.

... or didn't you read the Privacy Policy [google.com] ? (BTW... so much easier to understand than MSN Hotmail [microsoft.com] or MSN Search [microsoft.com] ...looks the same, but not the same. Hmmm....)

Add in the fact that they have your cell number, are indexing your email, have your calendar, etc.

Maybe they have your cell number, but that's because you wanted SMS alerts sent to you. Maybe they're indexing your e-mail, but that's because you signed-up with Gmail in the first place. If they have your calendar, it's because your taking advantage of that service as well. Now, where's the so-called "invasion of privacy" here?

Simply put, if you want to be protected from all that, then stay off the 'Net. The fact that you're here on ./ seems to imply that you won't.

It's the Information Age; you have to give to get. It's not exactly quid-pro-quo, but there's always the alternative.

Feel free to go start-up your own search engine and see how easy it is.

adCenter spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16684085)

It's funny to see this story right now, since I received Microsoft adCenter spam earlier this afternoon. I called at least four Microsoft technical support numbers to complain about it, in addition to reporting the message to Spamcop. Microsoft was able to confirm that Microsoft's adCenter marketing pricks (they didn't use that word exactly) were indeed spamming people.

It's rather ironic to see Microsoft sending bulk unsolicited email, aka spam, since the company has been so vigorous in pursuing third party spammers. I guess it's not spam if Microsoft does it.

Given that I got their spam, it seems that adCenter is both ethically challenged, and collecting personal information from someplace(s) it shouldn't. It's not clear how Microsoft harvested my email address -- I sure as hell didn't give it to them!

Here's part of the email I received:

Return-Path:
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:14:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Microsoft adCenter
Subject: Ready to sell more? I'm here to help
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This is very lame text to get this comment past Slashdot's very lame lameness filters. Blah blah blah. What the hell was Microsoft thinking when it decided to spam random people? Duh? It must be getting close to Christmas since halloween just passed. The weather sure has been fall-like lately. It was cold last night. I like to pasta. Did you know that carpet is made from little tiny pieces of plastic? No really, it is! If I were to start counting backwards from one hundred, I'd be really bored by the time I reached -100. Cork is both a wood product and a city! You probably wouldn't want a cork board made from a city, so it's vitally important never to confuse the two. You'd probably end up with a Cork school board or something and they'd get totally pissed if you tried to pin something to them.

Which is why (1)

Xiph (723935) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685771)

Which is why nobody should use their real name when filling in the customer information papers.
It's another great reason why nobody should use their real name on msn.

If you don't want to be used by businesses, don't give them more than they need;
and remember, you decide what they need, they don't.
Don't let yourself be used.

here it gets a bit repetative, for the sake of knocking common sense into some people:
don't let them use you!

I know, I'm preaching to the choir :P but this isn't even common sense with all techies.
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