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Vista Gets Official Release Dates

samzenpus posted more than 7 years ago | from the this-weeks-dates dept.

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SlinkySausage writes "Five years, three months and five days after Windows XP made its debut, Microsoft will usher its next-generation OS onto the stage. Microsoft has set November 30 as the release date for Vista (and Office 2007) to business customers and January 30, 2007 as the date for the official launch to consumers and The World At Large."

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better than linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16684741)

at least it's not for fags. you fucking dick sucking dirty ass faggots.

Re:better than linux (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684797)

That implies Linux users get any sex, you're thinking of Mac OS X.

Re:better than linux (1)

0mni (734493) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684891)

Hey, I get sex. It may not be with a person but that counts dammit.

Re:better than linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685091)

Hey, I get sex. It may not be with a person.


There. Fixed it for you.

Re:better than linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685153)

Dude, girls love guys with CLI skills. My girlfriend doesn't know what the fuck I do at work (I'm a Linux sysadmin) but when she's always impressed when she sees me "typing in commands." Remember this: if you can set up a VPN and mt-daapd so a girl can access the music on your music share from iTunes anywhere in the world, she will surely love you.

Re:better than linux (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685225)

Thank god there are women in the world who love geeks eh? But try to remember, friend, you and I are the lucky ones. Many young geeks go to bed alone.

MOD PARENT UP (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16684905)

An insightful, eloquent post. It is rare that such a visionary, non-conformist poster arrives on this page to share their knowledge in the fashion of the remarkable parent poster. Does our love of free speech not demand that every effort is made to make these brilliant words available to all, so that they can be treasured and committed to memory?

Slashdot, I urge you to mod UP.

Think of the children.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (1)

freakmn (712872) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685253)

Did you reply to the correct post? I mean, if the GP is correct, as you imply, then there are no Slashdot children. Quote a paradox you have gotten yourself into, isn't it?

Re:better than linux (3, Funny)

Jekler (626699) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684937)

I'm going to take a 6 month sabbatical to meditate on your words. There's just something deeply compelling about what you have to say that fills me with a sense of longing for a truer understanding of this wacky universe of ours.

Thank you fellow scholar. You have changed me.

Re:better than linux (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685297)

"at least it's not for fags. you fucking dick sucking dirty ass faggots."

Dude, you have no sense of direction. Who do you think is on their hands and knees with their pants down when you run Windows? It sure in hell is not Billy Boy. His is on top bitch slapping your ass while yelling, "Who's your daddy!?". Care to rethink your position?

Re:better than linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685305)

linux!=OSX We in the Open Sores movement get no sex of any kind.

really? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16684743)

so soon?

Re:really? (1)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684947)

I can't wait until January 30th of next year though! I have to have enjoyment crippling features like PVP DRM, and a mandatory startup jingle NOW! My "Vista Capable" new 64 bit computer is just dying to struggle under its weight too.

Please Microsoft, isn't there any way you can bend me over further and give Vista to me harder?

Re:really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685083)

You could simply not use Vista instead of having such a whinge. I guess you're just trying to impress the cool kids.

Oldie but goodie (0, Offtopic)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685243)

<C:\>ongrts.win

Obligatory (1)

Boomshanka (788195) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684751)

I for one welcome our new vista overlords....

Re:Obligatory (1)

Boomshanka (788195) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684843)

Oh yeah ... and I for one welcome the new DRM overlords as well

I've been running it for years! (4, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684755)

But I liked it better when they called it OS X!

J/K, I'm not gay.

Actually, you are pretty gay (-1, Flamebait)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684777)

Super faggity fag fag.

Re:Actually, you are pretty gay (1)

mookie da wookie (919403) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685065)

why u say that? just because he wuz caut on that tv show were they cathc pedofiles talking to a 13 year old boy duzent mean that he is a homo. they call them pedofiles, not gays.

anyhow, i think that you are a homo too, but not a homo erectus liek the rest of us but a homo erectum because thats how u like it best, a homo in the rectum.

gays are what your parents are. Ive met them and they are a couple of nice guys! your "mom" had nice tatoos, ill bet living by dockside bars has helped "her" to meet all kinds of niec guys.

Re:I've been running it for years! (1)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684789)

If you were going to compare it your shoul have included a reference to 10.3. It's not cool in the Apple world to imply Win is on par.

Soryy windows people.

All in all... (1)

Sneetch (953357) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684767)

it's just another brick in The W.A.L.

Re:All in all... (2, Interesting)

Czar the Bizarre (841811) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684827)

funnily enough The Wall was released on the same day [wikipedia.org] (albeit in 1979).

535? (4, Funny)

PHAEDRU5 (213667) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684783)

Surely there's a numbering system where this reads "666".

Re:535? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16684923)

Base 11.201739?

Re:535? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685145)

I knew it!

Re:535? (1)

strider44 (650833) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685215)

It's actually either base 8.903013701291020728 or -9.903013701291020728. Try doing 6a^2 + 6a + 6.

Re:535? (1)

midkay (984862) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685191)

I have indeed discovered the true meaning behind the release date.

Using 5, 3, and 5, you can do (5 ^ 3) * 5 = 625 and then just add 41 (41 as in one-less-than-the-oh-so-great 42). And behold!!! 666.

MS is so evil.

dup? (1)

a.d.trick (894813) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684787)

Haven't I seen this before. I can't remember the details, but I thought they already had this planned out months ago?

aka Corporate version (1)

reaktor (949798) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684793)

Business a.k.a. corporate version will be out before customer version. So this means that everyone will be downloading and using the corporate version long before the home issues comes out.

Re:aka Corporate version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16684865)

My thoughts as well. I wonder what tricks they have up their sleeve to make life more difficult for users ?

Re:aka Corporate version (3, Informative)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685099)

The reason for this is that Microsoft wants to pretend it's shipping Vista in 2006, but no enterprise customers are going to install a brand new OS without months of testing. Microsoft knows this, so they're releasing to those customers, celebrating the faux RTM, then spending the next couple of months actually bugfixing and polishing Vista and "really" releasing next year on January 30.

Don't let them fool you--Vista is being released on January 30th, 2007.

so... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16684805)

So when's the torrent release date? :)

Re:so... (1)

GrumblyStuff (870046) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684857)

About week before I imagine.

Do we care? (1)

LardBrattish (703549) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684809)

Unless they're particularly sad gamers who MUST play HALO2

Re:Do we care? (2, Funny)

HiVizDiver (640486) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685017)

... who could then probably go out and buy an original Xbox AND a copy of Halo 2 for a hell of a lot less than the cost of upgrading to Vista...

Re:Do we care? (1)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685027)

For that matter, gamers who would rather trade halo2 for all the games that will likely be broken in vista until patches come out. Admittedly I havn't tried vista, but thats how it was in XP. Most serious gamers stuck with 9x until all the tournaments upgraded.

Re:Do we care? (1)

abandonment (739466) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685257)

Vista is broken much worse than XP ever was. Simply installing a real video driver is a nightmare - on our ATI cards, we're getting all kinds of blue-screens, zero 'real' OpenGL support and worse.

Even better is the fact that Vista doesn't even recover from a bad video driver installation properly - it's back to windows 95 days - even Linux recovers better from crapped out video driver installs, and this is saying a LOT

Of course, most of the problem is ATI's drivers themselves, but microsoft's insistence on shipping broken OpenGL drivers with Vista is going to make the problem so much worse. No thanx, we'll wait...for linux to get it's shit together...

Re:Do we care? (1)

ZJVavrek (952066) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685125)

Halo, I couldn't care less. (Well, that's a lie, I like Cortana). However, Alan Wake (http://www.alanwake.com/ [alanwake.com] ) has been confirmed as Vista/360 exclusive, and I don't feel like buying a 360. Even if it costs just the same as Vista.

Re:Do we care? (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685141)

It wouldnt surprise me if Direct3D10 is supported by WINE in the near future (depending on just how different it is to D3D9). So people will be able to play Halo with WINE (or maybe Transgaming WineX/Cdega/whatever if they get there first). It may even be possible to port the Diret3D10-on-top-of-openGL code from WINE over to Windows or to otherwise create a third party clone of Direct3D10 on Windows. Not to mention ReactOS that may well end up supporting D3D10 in the future.

Christmas Shopping! (4, Funny)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684811)

Just in time for Christmas Shopping Season! I'm getting everybody in my family a shiny new End User License Agreement (EULA)! I can't wait for Christmas morning around the tree, when we all get to click "Accept" together! Now, that's what I call quality family time.

Re:Christmas Shopping! (4, Funny)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684835)

Everyone knows you are supposed to let the cat click Accept, just in case some crazy judge somewhere rules click-through licenses binding some day.

No jury in the world would convict a cat (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684893)

Well, maybe in Texas

Re:No jury in the world would convict a cat (1)

Gunnut1124 (961311) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684949)

I'm from Texas and I take offense to that.... We haven't convicted a household pet of a crime in over 7 years...

Re:Christmas Shopping! (1)

foamrotreturns (977576) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685213)

Simpler than that. Just tell them your computer wiz nephew did it. He's 10 years old - not legally bound by anything. Unable to agree to a contractual agreement.

Re:Christmas Shopping! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16684841)

I don't think the average business customer cares to much about Christmas. Sorry.

Re:Christmas Shopping! (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684849)

Just in time for Christmas Shopping Season! I'm getting everybody in my family a shiny new End User License Agreement (EULA)! I can't wait for Christmas morning around the tree, when we all get to click "Accept" together!
Since you didn't seem to read the summary quite well, allow me to summarize the summary:

30 November 06 = release date for business customers
30 January 07 = release date for everyone else

So no clicking "Accept" together for you and your family.
Sorry :`-(

Armageddon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16684813)

Now all that has to happen is the Lions win the Super Bowl and find Jimmy Hoffa's body, and the end of the world will be nigh!

Switch to Linux? (1, Troll)

brad_daniels (1021533) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684821)

How many regular semi-power-user types do you expect will switch to Linux when Vista is revealed as the pile of shit its sure to be? I know I will. Actually I'll probably just stick with XP (a superb OS BTW) for as long as its supported.

Re:Switch to Linux? (1)

Javaman59 (524434) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685047)

Yeh, me too. I've stuck with Windows while Linux has been catching up. Whether I stay with Windows depends on whether Vista is great, or sucks. I think that MS has a lot on the line here.

Re:Switch to Linux? (1)

renegadesx (977007) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685119)

I've been using Linux on my home desktop for 10 years now, what should I switch?

Re:Switch to Linux? (1)

drewtown (1021549) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685163)

I actually have recently switched to Ubuntu 6.06 then 6.10. I use it all of the time now actually. I wouldn't say I switched because Vista is a pile of crap, I just like an OS that is updated more than once every 5 years and I don't need as much or any spyware, firewall, or AV protection and it works just as well for the majority of my tasks (web devel, program devel, E-mail, Docs, IM). Of course I keep my dual boot of XP for games, but I never plan on upgrading to Vista.

Re:Switch to Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685237)


You do know Linux has a dozen or so viruses for it? Linux is not a immune. The system core is just protected better then Windows is.

Sucks to be a computer vendor (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684823)

No Vista for the holidays.

But: "buyers of Vista-ready Toshiba notebooks preloaded with XP Professional or XP Tablet Edition -- which is just about all of 'em -- will qualify for an upgrade to Vista Business for a meagre $27 'shipping and handling' cost. The uber-OS itself, over five years in the baking, is free."

And here's the best explanation I've found regarding how Corporate/Retail keys will work. Note that I didn't say the explanation was simple.

For Real This Time? (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684837)

Well, this is the so manyeth announcement from MS about when Longhorn/Vista will be released. I guess that the inclusion of exact dates should give us some more confidence that it will really happen, this time. However, it's still interesting to see how many timeframes and features Microsoft announced that they never lived up to.

Why is the delay such a big deal? (5, Interesting)

wizrd_nml (661928) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684853)

Let me say up front I consider myself computer savvy but definitely not a programmer or an expert. My question to everyone is, why is everyone so upset about how long it's taking for Windows Vista to come out?

As far as I can see, Windows XP, with patches, a firewall and Firefox seems to be working fine. I don't feel the need to upgrade as soon as Vista comes out.

They're late on the deadline they originally set for themselves. But I don't see anyone else losing any sleep over it.

Re:Why is the delay such a big deal? (1)

linguae (763922) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684961)

Five years between operating system releases is a very long time in the computer industry. Look at how OS X improved in five years (from OS X 10.0 to OS X 10.4, with OS X 10.5 coming out sometime in the spring). Look at how KDE and GNOME have improved over 5 years. Look at some other 5-year periods of time in the computing industry. From 1991 to 1996, we went from DOS and Windows 3.0 to Windows 95 and Windows NT, and that is just on the MS side of things.

Five years without any changes other than security fixes and point updates to software is very sad. (Some would say six years if they believe that XP isn't that much of an improvement over 2000, but I'll use XP as a base here).

Re:Why is the delay such a big deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685019)

Look at how OS X improved in five years (from OS X 10.0 to OS X 10.4, with OS X 10.5 coming out sometime in the spring).


I am sorry for you if you think improvement goes by numbers. Sounds same d***head argument that intel is doing bad since they haven't release any new faster processor in last 2 years (in GHz terms).

Re:Why is the delay such a big deal? (1)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685121)

I am sorry for you if you think improvement goes by numbers. Sounds same d***head argument that intel is doing bad since they haven't release any new faster processor in last 2 years (in GHz terms).

And, I'm sorry for you that you are so willing to spout without having any clue of what you speak. You could not possibly say this with a straight face if you had actually USED OSX.

IMHO, OSX didn't really come into its own until about 10.3. The difference between 10.2 and 10.3 is rather startling - the performance increase alone is just amazing. My ancient iMac probably doubled in performance going from 10.2 to 10.3, and there was probably another 20% improvement with 10.4. Not to mention that it's slicker, smoother, and better than ever.

Contrast that with Win XP which was passed by KDE on XWindows some years ago.

Re:Why is the delay such a big deal? (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684971)

Its mostly because Microsoft, with its (quickly fading) monopoly and recent poor record on a number of sides, all the pushed deadlines, etc, kind of owes its customers a lot. For the non-customers (macs and linux users), its also a good way to bash Microsoft.

Honestly, from a developer's point of view, the recent trend was a blessing. Aside for a few hiccups, we didn't have much to worrie about. For internal apps, even IE6's stagnating was kind of a blessing, to some extent: less time spent testing new versions. From a PR and a user's perspective though, that was bad bad bad, and Microsoft's competitors got ahead. MacOSX is now superior to Windows in ways that even a fanboy can't really deny.

Honestly though, aside for that, and for developers making end user apps highly dependant on user interfaces (games, among other things), Vista is just an incremental update. The "big" deal is WinFX, and that, in a way, is the next version of Windows. WinFX is where the changes are going to happen, and while this only affects developers, the users are going to feel its effect. Vista is just an update to the platform WinFX will work with (it will work with XP too).

Re:Why is the delay such a big deal? (0, Offtopic)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685203)

Microsoft, supposed to be the #1 software developer in the world, couldn't push out an update to its flagship product in less than half a decade. In that time, the industry has changed significantly. The issue involves several facets:
  1. The economy relies on Microsoft's operating system, but XP was allowed to stagnate for five years with only the addition of a Security Center in SP2 and some recompiled DLLs.
  2. Trust in the company. They consistently broke their promises with Longhorn. The project originally consisted of the "pillars of Longhorn"--Aero, Indigo, and WinFS. The first is shipping in less than what was promised (Microsoft once claimed it was a temporary theme and that improvements were forthcoming), and the last two were canceled.
  3. The poor performance of the company since Ballmer took over. Steve Jobs once said that companies are in trouble when a marketing guy takes over, and he cited Ballmer at Microsoft as an example. Since 2001, the stock price has flatlined, and products like Office 2003 were sales bombs. XP was such a slow seller that Microsoft wouldn't release sales statistics, instead referring to the number of OEM licensees. The marketing department controls Microsoft now, leading to things like seven different versions of Vista to confuse customers.
  4. Vista looks and feels like a minor improvement to XP. You illustrate the problem in your post by pointing out that you don't feel the need to upgrade. Vista is not as compelling an upgrade as it should be for something that's taken so long to be released. When you use it, you immediately get the impression that it's been cobbled together (the interface is hugely inconsistent in several places), and the product feels like something that should have been out since 2003.
  5. Most importantly of all, the difficulty Microsoft experienced in updating Windows is illustrative of Windows becoming something of a swansong. The industry is shifting toward online services and digital media. In many ways, the entire Longhorn debacle lends credence to the comparisons made to IBM in its waning years.

Re:Why is the delay such a big deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685291)

As always, pure FUD from you.

1. Of course XP "stagnated". You expected them to start releasing a new OS via patches or something? Once it's out, expect no more features. And there were significant improvements over its lifetime.

2. Aero is not shipping "in less than what was promised". That's the first such claim I've heard so far. It works beautifully. Indigo was NOT canceled! And you're ignoring the other pillars (lie about one half, and then conveniently don't mention the other?) WinFS was scrapped AFAIK, and that's the ONLY point you have (although hardly a big deal). The rest is 100%, totally unfounded FUD.

Re:Why is the delay such a big deal? (1)

ZeroConcept (196261) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685223)

Ask yourself the opposite question, "How is the next generation OS from Microsoft going to give me more value than me having to spend a couple more hundreds on something I already got or could get with a Mac.

Re:Why is the delay such a big deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685309)

Because it's already 3 years late, and they've cut all the interesting features already:

- WinFS (which Microsoft called one of the "three pillars" of the OS, and the "Holy Grail" of Vista): delayed, not in Vista at all
- Indigo and Avalon (the other two pillars): will be available for XP as well
- Palladium: majority of features (anti-features?) not available until after Vista
- (your favorite feature dropped from Vista here)

When Vista was Longhorn, and meant a whole new filesystem and UI and everything in 2003, that was something. It really doesn't seem like much to get excited about any more -- WinXP SP3, if you will.

Based on my experience as a professional developer, one would think that by butchering a product to remove all the major new features, it would ship sooner, but they seem to be removing features *and* adding delays. That's why it's driving everybody crazy. It would make sense if they said "OK, we'll delay a year to give you all the cool things we promised at PDC 2003", or "OK, we're cutting WinFS so we can ship on time". But we got years of "we're dropping WinFS/etc ... and also delaying yet another year".

first post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16684867)

Microsoft sux!

I'll just wait (1)

radar bunny (140304) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684873)

for service pack 2 to come out.

Breaking news (5, Funny)

ameyer17 (935373) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684881)

Unseasonably cold temperatures predicted for November 30th in Hell.

Someone start a pool (2, Funny)

Trikenstein (571493) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684885)

on when the first patch will be released, and another for SP1

Re:Someone start a pool (1)

vivtho (834049) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685023)

Tuesday, 12th December. The next Patch Tuesday.

Can't Wait for Apple (3, Insightful)

Killer Eye (3711) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684889)

Somehow, I see this going a little like Apple's surprise price reduction for the iPod just before the Zune came along: Microsoft employees scrambling to hack some last-minute changes into their strategy after hearing what Apple is doing.

So imagine MacWorld just before this January 30 Vista release. Jobs has already shown he's not too afraid to take a stab at Redmond. We all expect some surprise Leopard features that speak for themselves, but expect some intentional jabs as well. Maybe even a TV commercial campaign to steal thunder from the TV campaign Microsoft is sure to launch (because they always do).

Personally, I predict the real show-stopper will be a surprise price reduction from Apple. Seriously, if they knocked Leopard *down* to $99 or something, Microsoft would be looking really bad.

Re:Can't Wait for Apple (2, Insightful)

gordgekko (574109) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684953)

Personally, I predict the real show-stopper will be a surprise price reduction from Apple. Seriously, if they knocked Leopard *down* to $99 or something, Microsoft would be looking really bad.
Yes, just imagine all the Mac owners who were waiting for Vista. Now they'll have to make do with OS X running on their Apple-branded computers.

How exactly is this going to affect Microsoft exactly? You really think the average Wintel user takes notice of Apple OS pricing?

Re:Can't Wait for Apple (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685109)

Many people at the moment are waiting for Vista to arrive before buying new hardware. With the prices of Macs these days, it doesn't really matter wether you buy an Apple or a good Windows box. Many people are fed up with all the viruses etc they have to cope with every day, so OS X is a good alternative to MS for more and more people.

Re:Can't Wait for Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685059)

Yes, big news on Leopard would certainly make a difference to the Windows profit base. Wake up zealot. 98% of PC users have never even heard of Leopard, why on earth would they care about some new Apple os release. I'm sure it will keep Mac fans happy, but as for having an impact on Vista - sorry, you are living in a dream world.

Re:Can't Wait for Apple (1)

mh101 (620659) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685239)

I think the biggest stab at Microsoft that Apple could do, would me for Steve to come out for his keynote and talk about Leopard's features for a bit, and then come out and say, "And I'm sure you're all wondering when Leopard is going to be available. Well, guess what? We're shipping it today, a whole three weeks before Vista!"

Although I'm not expecting it, I wouldn't be surprised. I wasn't expecting the first Intel Macs to be available as early as they were.

oh my (3, Funny)

chowdy (992689) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684897)

Repent the end is extremely fucking nigh

Re:oh my (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685321)

What a good movie!

Changes (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684899)

Ouch - Just installed IE7 and WMP11 - the beta's were much better
Just installed the technical refresh for Office 07 - beta 2 had more functionality by default
Guess Vista'll follow suite?

Re:Changes (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684941)

Actualy? Maybe. Though the latest release candidates were told to be the ones to test apps on, so I don't see them removing too much that could break apps that worked on the RCs, it HAS been MS' strategy as of late: Make feature full betas, see public reactions to them, and how much problems certain features cause, fix what they can, and take out what they cannot fix, to put it back in a service pack later.

Visual Studio, Atlas/ASP.NET AJAX, and the stuff you mentionned, all seem to have followed that trend. Now if thats good or bad... thats left to you guys to make your opinion.

Re:Changes (1)

Hawkxor (693408) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685025)

This has always been their philosophy. More accurately, it has been to synchronize constantly with daily builds and stabilize frequently, but to focus on a ship date. Whatever features are finished by shipping time go in, whatever else just gets pushed to the next edition. As an iterative development process it makes sense. However, Vista reached gridlock because at some point (4000 developers is definitely past critical mass), having everybody check in their code at the end of the day is just going to break the build every time. (another reason why they ended up being delayed despite this philosophy is that their code is all intentionally non-modular, which allows them to claim that features like media player are integral parts of the OS to avoid the monopoly rulings.)

Re:Changes (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685061)

Indeed. As an added funny thing, I read on a few blogs of high ups at Microsoft: they had quite a few issues with outsourcing that slowed them down a lot (with the firms calling change of scope all over the place to avoid having to deliver). That must have hurt like a bitch, too.

Did I miss an Apple/Linux article? (1)

rampant mac (561036) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684933)

Vista shipping?

The Leopard/Ubuntu update must be coming along a lot faster than expected. I can't wait to delve into all those nifty features Vista has promised over the last few years! That kick ass WinFS addition will surely make my life easier.

<C:\>ongrts.win
indeed.

5 years, 3 months, 5 days... Yet still... (3, Funny)

Beren (21815) | more than 7 years ago | (#16684955)

...manage to beat Duke Nukem Forever.

According to this page [duke4.net] , DNF has been in (in)active development for over 8 years...

Re:5 years, 3 months, 5 days... Yet still... (1)

Nushio (951488) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685009)

In related news, pigs fly, Infinum Labs launches the Phantom Gaming Console and I'm not wearing any pants!

More news at 11!

Longer than that. (1)

FreonTrip (694097) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685135)

Development on Duke Nukem Forever reportedly started back around January of 1997. A decade of development, more than two engines' worth of work, and at least three game design documents later, and the end's still nowhere in sight. And I say this as someone who's actually seen a development build of the thing running...

Whats up with Slashdot? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16684967)

Lately it has seemed like there have been a lot less posts and less moderations as well. What gives?

University licenses (2, Interesting)

thesupermikey (220055) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685013)

Does anyone have any details on which flavor of Vista will be made available for university licenses?

Re:University licenses (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685189)

Does anyone have any details on which flavor of Vista will be made available for university licenses?

Technical Institute: Vanilla

Libral Arts: Half Baked

Fine Arts: Cherry Garcia

KFG

Re:University licenses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685293)

gee thanks, glad you were able to clear that up for me. Next time i need a lame joke ill know who to call

Hardware... (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685035)

So when will the first DirectX 10 hardware be available?

First 1000 customers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685063)

gets teh AIDS for free.

Fedora 9 (1)

stoneycoder (1020591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685103)

By then we should have fedora core 8 or 9 and the animal names tacked on to the ubuntu distro will start getting even wierder.

I wonder (1)

MikeWin10 (817478) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685137)

how many people here bashing Vista have actually used it. Why is everyone so up in arms about upgrading? Its only $450. Vista is much better than XP, by far.

Re:I wonder (1)

William_Lee (834197) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685247)

Why is everyone so up in arms about upgrading? Its only $450

You're joking, right? Some of us don't have that kind of cash to throw around on an unproven DRM laden OS that has been gutted of almost every cool feature that was originally supposed to go into it.

Vista is much better than XP, by far.

Care to elaborate on this point? Other than the eye candy, and DirectX 10 (more eye candy), what reason is there to get excited about Vista? XP at this point is a very stable, relatively secure OS with a solid feature set. Again, I'd ask, what exactly does Vista bring to the table that makes upgrading worthwhile?

Re:I wonder (1)

grcumb (781340) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685315)

how many people here bashing Vista have actually used it. Why is everyone so up in arms about upgrading? Its only $450. Vista is much better than XP, by far.

Better than XP? Having a broken bottle jabbed repeatedly into my face is better than XP, and I can get that for free! 8^)

Driver availability is the real release date (1)

Timbotronic (717458) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685151)

Word of warning to anyone planning to jump in on Nov 30, make sure you can get Vista drivers for *everything* you want to use.

I played around with Vista RC1 a bit last week on a spare machine. For the most part, I was actually pretty impressed with the ease of install. Inevitably there were a couple of devices (onboard audio and USB wireless) that it didn't support. However, it seems that the driver model has changed pretty significantly from XP/2000 as these didn't work at all.

So the release date isn't Nov 30, it's when your last hardware vendor releases their Vista drivers.

Re:Driver availability is the real release date (1)

DiscoOnTheSide (544139) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685259)

From my experience, you right click on the program, and set compatibility mode to XP SP2 and the drivers install themselves like the old way. As far as my understanding was all of the new models (video drivers, Direct X 10, etc) had wrappers built in to allow for old drivers to be used...

Phew! (1)

corychristison (951993) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685205)

So close!

My birthday is December 1st. If they were to wait one more day, my birthday would have been the day the world went to hell.
With my luck, something will go wrong and they will delay it one day.

... my birthdays always suck. If it happens to fall on my b-day, I just don't know what I'll do.

Businesses get to be the beta testers? (1)

bzipitidoo (647217) | more than 7 years ago | (#16685279)

I'm so glad MS will let Sony, Disney, Diebold, SCO, HP, and all those other nice folks try out Vista and work out any remaining kinks before home users see it. MS, putting users first!

I know what Arnold Schwarzenegger would say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16685313)

about this new microsoft OS: "Hasta la vista, baby".

guinux

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