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Microsoft Will Allow Vista Reinstalls

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the yay-for-logic dept.

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Claus Valca writes "I just spotted over on the Windows Vista Team Blog the news that the Windows Vista retail licensing terms are being revised. Looks like PC home-brew system builders have been let back into the Vista party!" From the article: "Our intention behind the original terms was genuinely geared toward combating piracy; however, it's become clear to us that those original terms were perceived as adversely affecting an important group of customers: PC and hardware enthusiasts. You who comprise the enthusiast market are vital to us for several reasons, not least of all because of the support you've provided us throughout the development of Windows Vista. We respect the time and expense you go to in customizing, building and rebuilding your hardware and we heard you that the previous terms were seen as an impediment to that — it's for that reason we've made this change."

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Er.. (4, Funny)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695515)

Looks like Microsoft has just discovered this PC and hardware enthusiasts group?!

Re:Er.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16695675)

they must be talking about developers developers developers.

Re:Er.. (0, Flamebait)

MrAnnoyanceToYou (654053) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695751)

They're just covering their tails. When was the last version of Windows where your first step towards solving a truly major problem, "Reinstall Windows."

Every single hardware enthusiast that has ever built their own machine does this before checking their hardware. Why? First point of failure, well, um..... Gee. Wonder where it generally is. This has nothing to do with 'noticing an important market segment.' It just keeps in place the first solution everyone ever uses - reformat; reimage or reinstall.

Re:Er.. (1)

zxnos (813588) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696243)

does this [re-install]before checking their hardware

really? the first thing i do is pull the drivers and remove the offending hardware. then insert a spare of whatever... ..last resort is to reinstall. also system restore can be amazingly useful. but hey, thats just me. :)

Re:Er.. (2, Informative)

deathy_epl+ccs (896747) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696297)

When was the last version of Windows where your first step towards solving a truly major problem, "Reinstall Windows."

According to everything I've seen, what you just said didn't apply in the case of Vista re-install limitations because the Vista limitation was on significant hardware changes. If your hardware didn't change, then this would not crop up.

Back to their roots... (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696077)

It would have been a slap in the face to the home brewer considering that's where Microsoft started off all those years ago.

Uncle Bill, we know you'd come through!

Re:Back to their roots... (1)

Schraegstrichpunkt (931443) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696281)

I imagine Microsoft is worried that PC enthusiasts will either continue to use Windows XP, or switch over to an alternative OS. Not that PC enthusiasts are a significant part of the market on their own, but because they tend to influence the decisions of the masses.

Re:Er.. (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696089)

Looks like Microsoft has just discovered this PC and hardware enthusiasts group?!

Not quite, but this is the first time they've actually liked us. I mean, given what Mr Gates used to think about computer hobbyists [blinkenlights.com] .

Yahoooooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16695523)

Vista wants to party all the time, party all the time, party all the time

Mark your calendars! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16695525)

Mark your calendars people, today marks the first day ever (or at least in decades?) that Microsoft actualy listened to it's customer based! WOW!

Great! (1)

KingJ (992358) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695533)

This is great news - with Vista's previous arrangement of reinstallation, I was seriously considering staying with XP. Now, i'm happy to say that I will be switching to vista. Great work Microsoft, thanks for listening to us for once!

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16695657)

Ñewb..

(Think about it for a sec before downmodding.)

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16695733)

Tkae the blue pill.

Re:Great! (1)

Ididerus (898803) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695933)

Upgrading to Vista?!?! lol, I still run 2K on all my machines, except the game box, that runs 98se (with tweaks for large amounts of RAM of course). Don't see me complaining about WGA, or stupid, graphics heavy UIs

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16696027)

If you are still running Windows 98se, then I'm sure there is a lot of other crap you complain about every day.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16696187)

I can smell the burning of a thousand blue screens afflicting his rogue device drivers and the massive burn you just placed upon him.

Re:Great! (3, Insightful)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696197)

except the game box, that runs 98se (with tweaks for large amounts of RAM of course).

You're kidding, right? Support for Windows 98 in almost anything is already pretty much dead and Vista's release will probably mark it's death. DirectX 10 will only run on Vista. Almost all new hardware comes with no (or crappy) Windows 98 support. Unless you're playing games like Oregon Trail and Starcraft, Windows 98 is *not* a gaming platform.

Don't see me complaining about WGA

WGA problems are overstated. I've never had any problems, and I don't know anyone personally who has (except those who got their product keys from what we might call "alternative sources". I won't say they don't exist, but for 99.99% of legitimate users it's likely not a problem.

or stupid, graphics heavy UIs

I love the dualism on Slashdot. First it's, "Windows is finally getting a fancy UI like OSX and Linux! Geez, took the copycats long enough!" The next day the same people crow, "Stupid XP and Vista GUI uses too many resources! I'm sticking with NT 4!"

I suppose if you have a Pentium II then XP's GUI might be considered "heavy", but in any case, you can turn it off.

Re:Great! (1)

KingJ (992358) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696341)

"except the game box, that runs 98se" Gaming on 98se? For modern games, thats near impossible. If you enjoy playing the same games over and over and not switching to any new games, then by all means stick with 98se. I want to be able to play modern games, new games to keep me interested. New games come with new engines which, surprisingly enough, won't be working with old hardware or software "...WGA..." I've never had a single problem with WGA on any of my machines. Neither have any of my friends or relatives for that matter. "..stupid, graphics heavy UIs" If you dont like it, turn it off! I enjoy the nice aesthetic look of Vista's UI. You could compare it to buying a Kitchen, you could but that Stainless Steel kitchen, practical but not ascetically pleasing, or alternately you could go for that nice marble topped wood kitchen which is pleasing on the eyes. In the end, it's down to personal preference, and I prefer looking at something that is pleasing on the eyes.

Re:Great! (1)

smilindog2000 (907665) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695981)

Er... so neither the 2 GIG recommended for Vista, nor that EULA still has you concerned?

Does anybody else miss Bill Gates? When he ran the company, they were far more insightful in their business practices. My favorite example is allowing some level of piracy, since some piracy can help you grow. Now that he's given over control to the typical less-insightful corporate types, we're seeing this kind of nonsense. The same thing seemed to happen to HP and Sony when their founders finally retired.

Re:Great! (0, Flamebait)

Firehed (942385) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696263)

Bill Gates has always been incredibly opposed to piracy, probably more so than most could imagine. It's just that the availability of internet access (not to mention it effectively being required to use a computer nowadays) makes it a hell of a lot easier for him to check in with you from time to time and make sure you're still legit. If it would have been possible at the time, Windows 3.11 would have had WGA, and totally locked up if it wasn't a legit copy. Of course if that were the case, they'd either have a WGA that works properly now or have gone out of business years ago.

Not to mention he's not stepping down for another two years, and even still will remain highly placed in the company (just not CEO).

I agree - piracy definitely can help your company grow. When you're not a worldwide monopoly, that is. They have all the market share they'll ever need, and the little bit of piracy taking place in... oh, say, China... isn't leading to any extra sales. Chances are that if China (et al) couldn't get their hands on massively pirated versions, they wouldn't pay anyways, just like how it works with most "lost" CD and DVD sales. Sure, it would mean a bit less market share, but if you have 90% of the market and 20% of the market is running pirated copy, that really doesn't (or, at least, shouldn't) look any better than having 70% of the market that's totally legit. As far as legality goes, it would probably be better for them, since the monopoly wouldn't look as bad.

Re:Great! (2, Funny)

Trillan (597339) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696307)

I don't really get the excitement.

In the Windows XP EULA, Microsoft granted themselves permission to feel you up. In the first version of the Vista EULA, Microsoft retained the permission to feel you up, but added a clause that said they would sexually violate you at their discretion while the Bee Gees play in the background.

But it's okay now! They've turned off the Bee Gees.

Great PR (0, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695561)

Wow, it's pretty arrogant to claim that backtracking on a obviously bonehead move is some sort of love offering to the consumers.

-Eric

Re:Great PR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16695611)

Well, that's exactly what it was! They heard their customers and acted on their customers wishes.

not just PR - business (1)

JonTurner (178845) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695839)

>>They heard their customers and acted on their customers wishes.

No, they acted in their financial best interest, as they should. Someone at MSFT ran an accounting model showing a convincing model of financial loss due to this policy, and the number-pushers won.

Re:not just PR - business (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695921)

Or maybe someone threw a chair because he couldn't upgrade his machine more than once? Flying chairs carry weight in Microsoft.

Re:Great PR (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695803)

Well, not doing something so 'boneheaded' is the better solution, but apologizing (as much as any big company can be said to do so), admitting a mistake, and rectifying it seems like better than one could expect in many circumstances. Certainly it show more "love" than saying "screw you" and continuing to ignore the customers in question.

Re:Great PR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16696253)

I can see no good reason why parent's comment was modded flamebait, as telling the truth may not always be popular, but it is what it is.

Mod Parent Insightful or Interesting - Hardly inflamatory.

I call Bullshit (1)

NatteringNabob (829042) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695581)

[Our intention behind the original terms was genuinely geared toward combating piracy;]

If the only concern was preventing piracy, there wouldn't be any restrictions on what user that bought pre-built machines could do with their bought and paid for copy of Windows Vista either; if you bought a copy ofVista, and want to junk or upgrade your old machine and install that same copy of Vista on it, you should be able to. You paid for a license. The license terms were, and are, genuinely geared towards making sure that customers buy extra copies of Windows they neither need or want.

Not that I care all that much. If MS wants me to install a copy of Vista, they are going to have to pay me to do it. A lot. Mircosoft operating systems come with a huge amount of negative value built in.

Re:I call Bullshit (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695987)

Well this is the problem with all of Microsoft's "anti-piracy" efforts so far: They don't really hinder piracy, but make it very hard, sometimes, for legitimate users to do legitimate things.

With Windows XP's activation, pirates shared/downloaded the corporate version, which didn't require activation, or else they found ways to crack the whole scheme. Now apparently Microsoft is forcing the corporate versions to activate as well, which might be a deal-breaker for corporate customers (myself included). It closes 1 loophole, but doesn't mean someone won't figure out a way to crack this thing. In any event, it's unlikely that it will stop piracy, but it's very likely it will annoy and inconvenience many legitimate paying customers.

Despite snide remarks from the geek masses... (2, Interesting)

Zanth_ (157695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695585)

this is a good thing no two ways about it. Sure, they shouldn't have limited the OS in the first place, but the fact they are so quickly changing this is a step in the right direction. Given what I have just read about the EULA, I won't be touching Vista, but for those that seriosly need their game fix and DirectX v10 is where it is at for them, at least they can buy that new 6 gajillion dollar gfx card (or 4 of them) and go nuts without worrying their Windows install is going to puke on them. I'm no MS fan and even less of a Windows fan, but when something is done right, it is best to applaude the move. So, I applaude you MS for doing the right thing, and before Vista is officially released!

Re:Despite snide remarks from the geek masses... (1)

geekwithsoul (860466) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695791)

Yes, and it is a good thing to stop kicking puppies, beating your spouse and/or kids, and dumping toxic waste into a stream. However, that does not mean "it is best to applaud the move." Microsoft is capable of pulling its head out of its ass for once -- so what?

Re:Despite snide remarks from the geek masses... (1)

Zanth_ (157695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695915)

The point is that the hardware enthusiast market is pretty small compared to big business and the likes of Dell. They could have, as they usually do, flip the bird to this small demographic and "forced" gamers and the like to shell out money for the new OS (or reduce them to piracy, whatever the combination). They didn't though, and in fact, they took the criticism to heart, fast and did so before the official release.

If an alcoholic who batters his wife stops drinking, apologizes for past beatings and doesn't do it again, does he not warrant some applause for his efforts? Of course he does. Positive reenforcement often leads to more postive works. With the news that MS is considering working with Novell...maybe we could see MS Office for Linux! I'm not so blind to think MS doesn't have selfish ends to motivate their means, but so long as there is some benefit to us, without addition restrictions, I'm all for it. So today, the gamers and hardware enthusiasts have been recognized, maybe the *nix folks will be in the future, and Office will run on Suse and later ported to other distros. Or maybe not, and this is a one off. Still, for those gamers, this is a good thing.

Gimme a break (1)

bogie (31020) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696259)

"So, I applaude you MS for doing the right thing"

What you should be doing is complaining that MS tried to pull this bullshit in the first place. Thanking them for retracting an unfair and onerous provision is the LAST thing you should be doing.

You should be saying "That's right assholes fix your EULA, if you ever try to pull crap like that again I'll migrate my entire office to Linux". Applaud them? Right.

Still Shackled (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695599)

The EULA and DRM is still like a pair of handcuffs and only Microsoft has the key.

The price will be right, so most consumers won't care until those handcuffs start getting too tight around the wrist.

If you value your freedom, you will switch to a different OS. BSD and Linux are two options.

Re:Still Shackled (1)

DigitAl56K (805623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695689)

If half as many people contributed to ReactOS as do Linux then we'd have an alternative option that I would actually consider.

Re:Still Shackled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16695731)

Personally I get off on being schackled. I hope Bill brings out the whip too.

Re:Still Shackled (2, Insightful)

EvilSS (557649) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695769)

Actually this was the one really sore spot in the EULA. With this gone, the EULA is actually less restrictive than previous versions of Windows. Allowing Ultimate/Business to run a second copy in a VM, for instance. XP would require a second license to do that.

It is amazing how much FUD there has been about this EULA though. The (very incorrect) bit about not being able to run certain versions on virtual hardware is one that keeps coming up.

I value being able to do what I need to do... (1)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696123)

And Linux supports none of what I need it to do.

Windows does, and Windows Vista, thus far, has done it well

Linux isn't always an option.

A good step, now to the VM restrictions please (1)

mccalli (323026) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695613)

This is a good first step and Microsoft are to be applauded for taking it. Now on to the other issue - virtualisation. I'd like the ability to install into a VM please, and I'd definitely like to view any form of media I choose whilst inside the VM. If consumer pressure worked once, perhaps it can work again.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:A good step, now to the VM restrictions please (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695947)

Purchase any version besides home, and your wish is their command! link [macdailynews.com]

Re:A good step, now to the VM restrictions please (1)

mccalli (323026) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696117)

Purchase any version besides home, and your wish is their command! link [macdailynews.com]

No, it isn't. Although I can run up the OS in that, they're restricting what I can do with it - specifically the viewing of media files. Since just about the only reason I've personally got to think of moving to Vista is its media support, that means I'm completely locked out.

Cheers,
Ian

Virtualization is the future (1)

BlueCoder (223005) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696195)

They really need to get together with Intel and AMD. Virtualization is the future. Windows is destined to become a segmented product with multiple versions. Different products for different puposes simplifies everything. Everything in it's own VM. VM Appliances. The OS and Microsoft applications will become one through a reincarnated Windows CE.

We will have "Windows Media Center" for games and all that DRM goodness.

We will have "Windows Office" for business applicaitons.

We will have "Windows Server" for Internet applications.

There will be "Windows Datacenter" for databases.

And don't forget "Windows Vista" for legacy applications.

And it all works alongside other operating systems such as OSX and Linux. It requires lots of RAM and fast hardware so hardware vendors will be happy. Microsoft gets to sell multiple product licences and it's products become simplier to develop and release annually. No more OS wars or being a antitrust target. Everyone is happy.

wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16695621)

that's all I can say is wow. Is MS finaly opening their eyes?
Although last time MS made me say wow was when they made some kind of statement about how the pirates do not worry them becuase they know they make most of their money with licensing and through corporations. I was like, MS isn't greedy, do anything money grabbers? They made a thoughtfull and logical statement.
But then a year or two after that comment came Windows Genuine Advantage.
So, I will take this new comment with a grain of salt.

What the heck is going on? (4, Funny)

revery (456516) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695629)

First Microsoft partners with Novell to support Linux and now they are responding to a request regarding a license change in an all too human way, with normal human words and everything. It reminds me of an old Dilbert strip:

If aliens kidnap and then impersonate Steve Ballmer, is it a bad thing?
It depends on the aliens...

MS today is... fluffy? (1)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695647)

Is it just me is Microsoft acting more like My Little Ponies than the Borg today?

Something very bad is going to come of all this, but I am prepared.

My tinfoil helmet has arrived today.

That's nice, but... (1)

Fonce (635723) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695667)

Correcting a wrong != "We're doing this because we love you."

While I do appreciate this change back to the way it should be, it's a shame they've gotten so distanced from the consumer (read: greedy) that these sort of things have to come up in droves.

All of this aside, again, what's my incentive to buy an operating system that still has everything else wrong with it? One correction to policy does not a good OS make.

Pigs flying, hell freezing... (1)

not already in use (972294) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695673)

Windows CE Kernel source opened, Microsoft offers support for Suse Linux, and now they revise the Vista EULA in a way that embraces their customers? Looks like I'll be bringing that winter jacket to hell when it's my time.

Re:Pigs flying, hell freezing... (1)

gwayne (306174) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696249)

Those aren't pigs...they're chairs, as Balmer realizes the Vista EULA alienated 98% of M$'s potential user market.

Not Good Enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16695677)

Sorry M$FT, you guys already tried to take away our rights--this isn't about helping your consumers and enthusiasts--it's about mitigating loss of shareholder value.

Too little, too late. After all the antitrust legislation--after all the lawsuits in Europe--you let your lawyers sneak that one through. Bring me the head of the parties who approved that license on a silver platter and maybe I'll consider Vista. Maybe.

Just noticed it 2 hours ago (0, Offtopic)

SiliconEntity (448450) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695691)

That's funny, I just posted two hours ago this comment on the "Surprises in Microsoft Vista's EULA" thread:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=204291&cid=166 93727 [slashdot.org]


The article misquotes the current license text regarding reassignment. Here's what the article claims the license says in Clause 15:

        a. Software Other than Windows Anytime Upgrade. The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the "licensed device."

But here's what the license actually says (Home Basic version):

        a. Software Other than Windows Anytime Upgrade. You may uninstall the software and install it on another device for your use. You may not do so to share this license between devices.

See the difference? The language has changed completely. There's no more reference to this being allowed only "one time".

Does this represent Microsoft loosening the license terms in response to criticism? That seems newsworthy!


Looks like I was right. Good catch to the moderators, they moderated me all the way up to... er, well, 2. Which is exactly what I posted at. Oh, well...

How disgusting... (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695695)

Slashdotters falling on themselves to praise Microsoft for doing what they should've done in the first place. If Borg Gates says "Resistance is futile!", all these Slashdotters will surrender to Microsoft like the French surrendered to everyone else. Disgusting. :P

Re:How disgusting... (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696135)

> Slashdotters falling on themselves to praise Microsoft for doing what they should've done in the first place.

And why not? They did something evil and stupid, people (read customers) yelled bloody murder and they listened. This is progress.... of a sort. When an evil & stupid corporatation (especially a monopolist like Microsoft) actually listens and responds favorably it should be singled out for praise. Praise them when they do the right thing and damn them when they do evil, perhaps enough stimulus/response will alter their behaviour.

Ok, hell might freeze over too but I'd rather be a mild mannered paranoid with an optimistic outlook. Constantly having a pessemistic outlook and raging, raging about the evil corporations followed by a good dose of fresh seething over the fact that Bushitler lives, just makes one a sad KosKid.

Wow (1)

ADRA (37398) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695707)

I never saw Microsoft fan-boys before I visited the blog. Funny how every comment was almost exactly like "Thanks, thats great!" with only one guy bringing up any kind of discussion. I guess its one of the big differences between open communities and broadcast communities. I use the term broadcast to refer to closed box discussions performed inside corp vs. the open discussion of all developers, customers, onlookers, etc..

Not trying to start a flame here, but it was strange seeing people who -like- Microsoft!

Re:Wow (1)

dedazo (737510) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695895)

Funny how every comment was almost exactly like "Thanks, thats great!"

Yes, because "OMFG TEH M$ Is TEH SUPPaH SUXX0RZZ!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!" is so much better. They already decided to back down on their decision and rightly so, what kind of discussion did you expect to see there? Is anyone who doesn't hate Microsoft a "fanboy" as far as you're concerned?

but it was strange seeing people who -like- Microsoft!

I guess that's one of the big differences between your "community" (the free software one I guess?) and the rest of us - we deal with Microsoft because we have to or want to, but normally don't see any value in throwing inane bullshit at them (go read the IE blog sometime). You on the other hand obviously suffer from some sort of selective tunnel vision if you find it positively insulting that there's someone out there that doesn't think Microsoft is the spawn of satan. Funny how that works.

wow to you ... (3, Interesting)

everphilski (877346) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696075)

Funny how every comment was almost exactly like "Thanks, thats great!" with only one guy bringing up any kind of discussion.

Whats to discuss? They announced that they are changing the reinstallation restrictions.

If (hypothetically speaking) the sysadmins had been blocking slashdot at your place of work work, and then unblocked it, would you say thanks or go on a tirade of why they should have done it differently in the first place? Which is more productive?

Not trying to start a flame here, but it was strange seeing people who -like- Microsoft!

I feel more productive in Word than Open Office. I am more productive in Visual Studio than gvim/kdevelop (although I am quite capable in gvim ... actually I do most of my development nowadays in linux under the current contract ). It is a matter of preference, that's all it boils down to. When you work in a world that deals in Microsoft and become accustomed to those tools, some of them are actually damn good tools, and you can pry them from my cold, dead, fingers :P

The VM restrictions are still silly (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695709)

All it's gonna do is result in more people warezing the business version instead of the home version.

Give and take (1)

JonTurner (178845) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695721)

But remember. What Microsoft gives (under considerable pressure from bad press) they can also quietly take away (later, when it's "safe" to do so or if they change their mind, etc.).

This is the reason I don't buy software that requires me to ask permission to use what I've paid for.

Really stupid comments on that blog (1)

1010110010 (1002553) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695823)

Er...

Posted by PhilH

Thank you Microsoft! I know I for one was not enjoying switching to Linux as the original Vista EULA was forcing me to do. Its good to be able to once again be back in the Microsoft Camp.


?!?

Good cop Bad cop (1)

blootooth (653423) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695855)

So in today's reality, by reversing abysmally ignorant previous actions, one can actually gain favor.

Re:Good cop Bad cop (1)

E++99 (880734) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696091)

So in today's reality, by reversing abysmally ignorant previous actions, one can actually gain favor.

Well, yes. A company enacts an inane policy, and they lose favor. They reverse the policy and they gain back favor. That way their earned favor stays in line with the value they offer. It's fairly basic logic, and obvious to all but the ideological.

No thanks. (1)

DaveM753 (844913) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695887)

I don't want to install it in the first place. I guess now I can not install it, multiple times?

Microsoft is changing... for the better(?) (1)

dfay (75405) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695899)

Say what you will, (and I know you will,) but this is another example of how Microsoft is changing from inside. We're all quick to distrust MS, and inclined to bash, (myself certainly included) but I think that they are making some genuine steps lately towards being a likable company.

Why? Well, my theory is that as they have grown bigger and bigger, they can't help but hire some nice, decent people, and then these nice people have grown in influence internally. It could also be that they see Google as their chief competitor these days, so they're trying to out-"do no evil" Google. (If that makes sense.)

Re:Microsoft is changing... for the better(?) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16695991)

Or they figured out the massive number of lawsuits that would be heading their way and realized that the cost outwayed the benefit of tying your (er... thier) Vista copy to 1 set of hardware.

"I repaired a part and Vista stopped working! Sue!"
"I upgraded after installing Vista because it wanted better hardware and now it doesn't work! Sue!"

And the real kicker:

"I upgraded my motherboard, and Vista stopped working so I threw Ubuntu on it."

Re:Microsoft is changing... for the better(?) (1)

DaveM753 (844913) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695993)

As if.

Sorry to disagree with you, but I've watched MS burn people since the early 90s. It would take 15 years of them behaving before I'd be convinced that they're members of the "do no evil" club.

Re:MS is changing, proceed with caution (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696301)

considering microsoft's charactor i would take all this good news today with a dumptruck load of salt...

Combating piracy... huh? (2, Insightful)

Zygfryd (856098) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695935)

"Our intention behind the original terms was genuinely geared toward combating piracy"
So paraphrasing one /. user's sig: If it ain't pirated... define "pirated" more broadly?
I might not understand this sophisticated masterplan, but looks to me like it could only make more running copies "pirated".

WOW (1)

Klaidas (981300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695949)

Microsoft Will Allow Vista Reinstalls
Umm, hello? WHat's so cool about that? It should be allowed by DEFAULT! It's like... allowing free speech... I mean, it shouldn't even be denied in the first place!

"repairs"?? (1)

amigabill (146897) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695969)

Last Christmas I gave a homebrew PC to my sister our of extra stuff I had laying around and a couple things I had to buy new to make a complete system. We got XP for it all legit and everything, but a few months later the motherboard in it, that had been laying around my place for a while, gave out and I put a new one in, not exactly the same as the old one. We had to go through the whole call up Microsoft and explain ourselves to re-enable the XP install.

I was afraid this would be counted as the second license situation for Vista. Would I not be able to continue running it on what is essentially the "same" computer which had simply had a broken component replaced? Buying a new Vista license for every other motherboard replacement in "the same" computer would be flat out unacceptable. I'm not even talking about upgrading for the putpose of getting new or better features, I'm just talking about making a dead computer go again. Sure, swapping a motherboard, especially for not the exact same model, might be in that blurry part where you can't quite tell what side of the line your on, but would still totally suck when the cost to get my broken system running again more than doubles from just the hardware price because my motherboard is old and not available anymore for a more "exact" replacement, such as if I got it just as they were going end-of-life and it died a year or two later.

But you can't run it on a Kentsfield (1)

palladiate (1018086) | more than 7 years ago | (#16695977)

Except the new Core 2 Quads and the 4 core AMDs of tomorrow will have a hard time with this part:

"You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device. You may use the software on up to two processors on that device at one time. Except as provided in the Storage and Network Use (Ultimate edition) sections below, you may not use the software on any other device."

Re:But you can't run it on a Kentsfield (1)

DrDitto (962751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696015)

False. The new lingo for this means that a processor is equivalent to one die in a package. Thus for Kentsfield, one processor == 4 cores.

Re:But you can't run it on a Kentsfield (1)

palladiate (1018086) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696109)

Ah, didn't see that defined in the EULA anywhere. That still messes with AMD though. AMD will definately have two chips, and they are claiming that the two cores per chip will not be cut on the same die, and will feature everything separately, such as frequency scaling, cache, and memory pipelines.

However, I'm not saying that Microsoft is dumb enough to classify that as four processors.

Re:But you can't run it on a Kentsfield (1)

feld (980784) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696349)

XP sees my dual core opteron as two processors, it will surely see your quad core as 4 processors. Each core gets its own APIC number. Each processor also gets their own APIC number. How will Vista really know the difference without needing updates to have hardware IDs and a database to store all that info, etc?

hahahaha, nice tag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16696013)

Haha, whoever tagged this article: "itsatrap" just made my day. I still can't stop laughing.

Thanks!

Re:hahahaha, nice tag (1)

Tharkban (877186) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696299)

you must be new here. Everything with Microsoft in the title has itsatrap as a tag...it's just standard procedure. has been since tags started.

I know why they're really doing it (5, Insightful)

quizzicus (891184) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696019)

I think Microsoft woke up to the fact that "PC and hardware enthusiasts" provide billions of dollars worth of free technical support to friends (read: anybody who finds out that you're good with computers). This is something we'd be markedly less willing to do if we didn't use Windows ourselves.

Thanks to this... (1)

dccase (56453) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696033)

Thanks to this new generosity, I think I will stay with Windows 2000 instead of buying a Mac.

Re:Thanks to this... (1)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696237)

Thanks to this new generosity, I think I will stay with Windows 2000 instead of buying a Mac.

Win2k runs quite nicely Parallels on a Mac... No activation crap or VM restrictions to worry about. The only thing is I'd kinda got used to anti-aliased fonts.

Oh my word... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16696061)

First the story of MS working with Novell & Linux and now this.

I'll be hiding under my bed till the world gets right...

Microsoft Will Allow Vista installs for free (1)

davro (539320) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696111)

Free microsoft vista installs or did i read it wrong my brain wanders on ms topics
Thought microsoft had gone into the charity market or was that Bill the monopolist, philanthropist, just looking for more fertile grounds to spread his borg virus.

Free vista i tell thee, better give the chinese a heads up on this one.

How to kill Linux dead. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16696143)

"We respect the time and expense you go to in customizing, building and rebuilding your hardware and we heard you that the previous terms were seen as an impediment to that -- it's for that reason we've made this change."

God bless their bleeding hearts. They're just trying to recoupe some of the market they have "given" to Linux, especially with glassy distros like Ubuntu that don't require much skill to setup and use.

There's only ONE retail license, right? (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696215)

I just spotted over on the Windows Vista Team Blog the news that the Windows Vista retail licensing terms are being revised.

This may be a dumb question, but there isn't a separate OEM license, right? I'd hate to think I had to pay the full retail price to be able to make major changes later to a system I was buidling from scratch at the moment. I only ask as it's the kind of stupidity I expect from Microsoft.

Oh Goodie! (1)

AC5398 (651967) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696227)

*claps hands* Microsoft loves homebrew computer hobbyists after all! *rolls eyes*

NO! I still won't ever upgrade to Vista!

Now could you please fix the DRM... (1)

khephera (1009359) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696287)

Nice that M$ is modifying the Vista EULA to accommodate those of us who build our own machines. Now could they please do the same for the DRM on their music files? The last time I upgraded my PC, MediaPlayer decided that I had my music loaded on 6 (!) machines, and told me to call M$ to fix it. After 45 minutes on the phone, either on hold or trying to get someone in India to understand what was happening, only to be told that I'd have to call back the following Monday to talk to someone in the U.S., I deleted all of the music files I'd purchased from MSN.

CD Universe (www.cduniverse.com) is now my source for music. Their CD's even work under Fedora Core 6 which is my main OS now ;)

Kudos to MS Marketing Dept... (1)

ezh (707373) | more than 7 years ago | (#16696323)

1. Scare potential users with outrageous limitations
2. Observe public's anger
3. Reverse decision on obvious 'lame ducks' (1 reinstall, etc) while leaving the real ones (DRM, etc) in place
4. Profit, profit, profit!
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