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Saddam Hussein Sentenced to Death

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the right-before-the-election-even dept.

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indraneil writes "Saddam Hussein has been sentenced to death along with his half brother. Three Baath party officials charged with Hussein in the killings of 148 Shiite civilians have been sentenced to 15 years in prison, while a fourth has been cleared. He is to be hanged inside 30 days from now. Saddam Hussein has been given 10 days to appeal against the decision. His lawyer has warned to a bloodbath if the sentence is carried out."

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1003 comments

And? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724449)

Unless they voted him to death via a web-2.0 enabled internet site, I don't see how this is an issue for Slashdot.

Re:And? (3, Insightful)

kubla2000 (218039) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724473)


Is anyone even in the slightest bit surprised that this was the verdict?

Why is this news on Slashdot?

Re:And? (3, Insightful)

autocracy (192714) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724543)

Well, first because its in the politics section, and second because it's such a universally relevant piece of news that warrants thoughtful discussion.

I found out first about the WTC plane crashes on Slashdot. While everything else was a mess, Slashdot proved to be the best resouce. Sometimes the site can serve a better place by being more than just tech and yet not lose its roots.

Re:And? (4, Funny)

eneville (745111) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724651)

and second because it's such a universally relevant piece of news that warrants thoughtful discussion.
... so why post it to slashdot?

Re:And? (1)

Morphine007 (207082) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724755)

Netcraft confirms it?

Re:And? (1)

Gavin Rogers (301715) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724559)

I was surprised for a while. Oh wait, wait, no it's gone now.

Re:And? (1)

Rakishi (759894) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724615)

I am, wasn't aware they used hanging as the method there. Learn something new everyday I guess.

Re:And? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724619)

He wanted death by military firing squad. They refused. Hanging is considered less honourable.

Re:And? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724793)

I think it is something like this:

  --------
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  |     \|/
  |      |     S A D D A       U S S   I
  |    _/ \_   ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~   ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
  |  Game Over
=====
   BC E  H   LMNOP   T VWXY  |  Letters Missed
       **  **     **       * |          7

You fail it! Your skill is not enough, see you next time, bye-bye.

Re:And? (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724709)

Well Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf would be a bit surprised and I am sure he will have something to say about it.

Its news on slashdot because it deals with a global issue running through our lives at the moment.
Its not specific geek news but its where geeks go to discuss things.

Re:And? (1)

AchilleTalon (540925) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724687)

I think the whole point is he will see soon the blue screen of death.

Re:And? (1)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724729)

Actually the noose will be made of Cat5

Re:And? (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724813)

It isn't, and even /.ers would not escape hearing about it elsewhere.

Re:And? (1)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724831)

Since when aren't 'nerds' interested in politics?

Seems to me /. would be a nice place to get some insightful comments, assuming the moderators are doing their job.

Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tuesday (1, Insightful)

Concern (819622) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724451)

So, Saddam Hussein's verdict, the death sentence, is read 48 hours before the U.S. midterm elections [yahoo.com] ...

That's just a coincidence, right?

But, when Republican congressmen are discovered to be gay pederasts, [nytimes.com] or famous evangelical ministers are outed for using methamphetamines with male prostitutes [yahoo.com] and the news comes out in the weeks prior to the election...

That's a deliberate attempt to time the news with the election, right?

What do you believe?

If you are an American Republican, you will incur the wrath of your fellow party members unless you answer yes to both questions.

What do you think the Iraqis believe?

Given that there are very few Republicans in Iraq, do you suppose it's possible that they might take a more cynical view on the timing of the verdict?

Could an appearance of impropriety by the Iraqi court could be, by far, the most reckless of the "October Surprises"? (Though neither in October, nor a surprise...)

U.S. troops could actually die in greater numbers because of such blows to the credibility of Iraq's supposedly new, independent government (and its courts).

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (2, Interesting)

drooling-dog (189103) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724523)

What do you think the Iraqis believe?

I can only guess, but I imagine it's along the lines of this: If the sentence is justified by how many innocent Iraqis Saddam has killed, maybe he shouldn't be alone on the gallows. Too bad for him that he didn't have the foresight to exempt himself from international law and basic human decency beforehand.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724549)

The article summary gets a few things wrong, one being that "should he appeal." The appeal is automatic. Also, he's not the only one sentenced to death.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (4, Insightful)

Concern (819622) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724557)

This is the thing about the appearance of impropriety. It's an important, and formal, concept in credible court systems like those in America.

If there may be an appereance that the verdict was planned or timed, you do things to avoid even that appearance.

Such as not announcing a verdict on the weekend before the U.S. elections.

I'm not saying for sure they timed it, because I just don't know. But I do know for sure that they could have waited 3 days and changed the whole image of the thing.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724551)

So, Saddam Hussein's verdict, the death sentence, is read 48 hours before the U.S. midterm elections...

How could executing someone be a political football in any civilised country?

Look at the countries with the death penalty: other than the US and India there are hardly any democracies on the list. That would tend to indicate that, without a screwed up election system, being pro-death-penalty tends to get you elected out of office very quickly.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724639)

other than the US and India there are hardly any democracies on the list.

*cough* Diebold *cough*

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724739)

It appeals to the same folks who speak joyously of the hundreds of thousands of dead "towelheads" we've effected in iraq. So mostly republicans.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724819)

"Look at the countries with the death penalty: other than the US and India there are hardly any democracies on the list."

Forgetting countries like Japan and South Korea, are we? Not that it matters. One way or the other, moral relativism should never enter into such a debate.

"That would tend to indicate that, without a screwed up election system, being pro-death-penalty tends to get you elected out of office very quickly."

And what if it did not? What if the majority of the voters really were in favor of capital punishment? Would that majoritarian stance magically make it OK? The majority is, by definition, at all times moral?

So long as we're not talking about a mandatory death sentence for a particular crime, the only question you should be asking is the only question that the courts should consider in such cases: does the crime merit the punishment?

Is the convicted beyond any sort of redemption? Can the convicted be trusted not to commit the same crime again? And if the answer is "no," and the convicted is to spend the rest of his life in prison, is it more fitting to the crime that the life of imprisonment is ended naturally or by the state?

Pinning your arguments against capital punishment on voter opinion is no better than pinning arguments for it. If the court of public opinion were so reliable, we wouldn't need courtrooms.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724567)

That's just a coincidence, right?

Meaning, "co" - "incident" - as in, two things, happening at the same time, yes. Have you not actually be following the trial? The Iraqi court has been pretty much right on the schedule they planned, but actually delayed a bit by some diversions (like one judge getting the heave-ho for speaking his opinion on things out of context, or Saddam's supporters wacking some of the legal team, that sort of thing).

I'm guessing, from your tone, that you probably think that supporting the new Iraqi government is a bad thing. We lost 100 military personnel last month doing that. Are you suggesting that's also part of some plot? Things are unfolding there as things are unfolding. Most things that happen there are painted as toxic-ly as possible in the media, and are definitely being used (however absurdly in some cases) as political attacks on the administration. Are you including that non-stop drumbeat in your it's-all-about-the-election rant, or only the things that are good? The people in Baghdad were out in the streets celebrating the sentence today. I supposed you think Carl Rove was out there with a megaphone directing the people?

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (1)

Concern (819622) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724659)

Yes, I have been following the trial.

Obviously if the government stabilizes and establishes order it's a good thing. The whole point of my post is that an appearance of impropriety, like the one today, undermines that. So it's now obvious to everyone what your guesses are worth.

Some people in Baghdad celebrated, others did not, and are undoubtedly busy planning some more of their usual, different kinds of "celebrations," or don't you follow the news. [hindu.com]

Using generalizations the way you do, talking about "the people in Baghdad", tells me all I need to know about your level of understanding. Are those the same "people in Baghdad" who helped kill 100 troops last month? The same people who are both Sunni and Shiite, Iranian and Kurd? Not all "people in Baghdad" agree, or haven't you heard.

And it's spelled "Karl" Rove.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (1)

nih (411096) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724585)

damn you're right!, you got anymore conspiracy theories i can learn to believe in?

This gets modded insightful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724591)

By your logic, we should be suspicious about all news that comes out in October and November, including the pederasts and the meth-using ministers, since it may have been framed by the opposition party.

Re:This gets modded insightful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724757)

Hah. This AC wouldn't know logic if it blew up under their APC, and a piece of it lodged in his brain.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724601)

If you are an American Republican, you will incur the wrath of your fellow party members unless you answer yes to both questions.

I think you're confusing the average Republican voter with the Republican members of Congress who are beaten into submission by the Party Whip.

It's just plain nonsense to believe that even a majority of Republican voters beat each other up when someone assumes that Rove, Satan, etc. are political opportunists. Most Republicans would probably admit that Rove, Bush etc. play politics. But of those who deny it, only a fraction would actually get angry if someone were to assert it. They might disagree, but most wouldn't go balistic.

The country probably isn't helped by inaccurately demonizing all members of a party you dislike.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (1)

Concern (819622) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724695)

I'll go out on a limb here and disagree. I'm just pointing out the social pressures faced by members of the American right-wing.

Not that I'm advocating it, but I notice inaccurately demonizing all members of a party has worked wonders for them.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724799)

Not that I'm demonizing or anything, but how many Republicans does it take to wash the blood out of a clown suit?

-- Only one, but all the others have to make sure they ignore it while denying they own clown suits.

Whaddaya mean, it's not funny? It was funny when you guys used it on Clinton. Cancha take a joke? Boy, you meth-using gay ministers and pedophile Congressmen sure don't have any sense of humor. Hey, hey, hey! Mission Accomplished, Mr. President. Bring 'em on! Yahoooo!

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724637)

When the news covers stories about Bush going AWOL from his Vietnam-away-from-Vietnam National Guard service through the Summer during Bush's reelection campaign, Republicans call that timing "inappropriate", too - it's election season. Of course Americans don't usually pay attention to any non-entertainment stories until at latest right before we have to make a decision. So journalists have to tell political stories during political campaigns. When else should they do so? And since campaigns now are perpetual, the main activity of even elected politicians, when is the time to reveal ugly stories about politicians "running for election"?

This whole notion that news must come at a time convenient for politicians is insane - the worst attack on our political process other than the bribes at the root of most of the stories. It's like the "Free Speech Zones" Bush has created to make the rest of the country outside the Zones into a "No Freedom Zone". Free speech/press as long as no one can listen.

It's pretty clear that Karl Rove is the ultimate abuser of these political manipulations. On Tuesday, you get to fire your House representative if they're keeping Rove's machine working against us, and hire someone who can answer to you and your neighbors instead of to Bush and Rove. And probably your senator, too. Get a few of your neighbors together, get everyone to vote, and then go to any free speech zone - they're everywhere - and have an adult beverage while talking about how fun revolution can be when it's part of the system, and no one gets hurt.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (2, Insightful)

Bemopolis (698691) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724703)

Man, you are so cynical. I mean sure, we invaded a country to topple a dictator with whom previous Republican administrations armed to the teeth in its war with a neighboring coutry we hate, who then had to be ousted from another neighbor we like to preserve the flow of gas to our SUVs, but was allowed to brutally quell an uprising by a group with undesirable religious affiliation, but then we got hit by terrorists and the current administration said "hey, where's that Iraq invasion plan we wrote on our first day here? Here it is -- cool!" and figured we were all so ready for vengeance we wouldn't notice them Mad-Libbing in some excuses for invading to fill in the spots where they had written "FOR DELICIOUS LIFE-GIVING OIL!", then used a slimy network of surrogates to defeat an actual war veteran lest they have to touch someone who actually served in uniform, so we could keep National Guard troops over there instead of having them to use in, say, New Orleans or something? But jeez louise, you think these people would be capable of timing out the guilty verdict in a country we *control*? CYNICAL. Come on, man, the Iraqis decided that on their own. They're the ones that gave him a TRIAL. Hell, we don't even bother to do that anymore! Primitives.

But back to Saddam: death by hanging? That's idiotic. I say we kill him with all of those WMDs he had!

Bemopolis

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724779)

Does it matter ?

Obviously both parties try to spin the news in their favor. Not just the republicans.

It gets worse. The dems are not opposed to finishing the war in iraq, they just want an election victory.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724785)

You know, not everything in the world is a conspiracy. sometimes timing in life is just strange.

Re:Saddam verdict on Sunday, U.S. election on Tues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724801)

If you are an American Republican, you will incur the wrath of your fellow party members

Thank Buddha that American Democrats are free from the wrath of their party members for being independent-minded free-thinkers.

Coincidence? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724457)

US elections in 2 days?

Re:Coincidence? (1)

Alchemar (720449) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724797)

This has been headline news in other countries for weeks. I tried bringing it up once with almost no response, granted, I am not good with names and made the mistake of switching Hussiens and Bin Ladens names, but the cited sources, and a correction should have cleared up the confussion. I think it is horrible that they are executing someone as a political stunt. I think it is worse that I found no one else that saw it comming. I know there are other people out there smart enough to figure it out, but the fact that they were so few that I couldn't gain any support that this was wrong says a lot about the future of this country. This man was supported by the US for many, many years. He decides that he is going to rule his country instead of being a US puppet, and we execute him to gain a few votes. I think he should answer for his crimes, but the fact that it was published over a month ago that they would announce the verdict two days before the election is a crime in itself. Why not announce the verdict at the end of the trial. A fair and speedy trial does not mean that you hold off the verdict until it suits your political needs. If anyone wants to point out that a speedy trial is an American law and not an Iraqi law, then get the US delegates out of the Iraqi Constitutional writing process, get the American troops home instead of enforcing US Military Law in Iraq, and let the people have their country back, then put this man on trial. He is currently being tried in a country that has now constitution to give him any constitutional rights. They can throw out any law they don't like, and say that doesn't apply now because we are under new goverment. How can that possibly be a fair trial?

My previous post:
http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20317 4&cid=16619178 [slashdot.org]

Automatic appeal (1)

lecithin (745575) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724469)

I thought that this was an automatic appeal. After the appeal the sentence must be carried out within 1 month.

Anybody clarify?

Re:Automatic appeal (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724499)

I thought that this was an automatic appeal. After the appeal the sentence must be carried out within 1 month.

Correct. This automatically goes to appeal. The defense has 30 days to file motions in that venue, and there is no set time limit on the appeal process. But once the appeals court says it's done, the sentence must be carried out within 30 days (assuming the sentence stands).

Re:Automatic appeal (3, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724609)

The cappeal court's verdict:

The court: "We will hang you within 7 days, but the day on which we come to hang you, it will be a surprise."

Saddam thinks: "Well, since it has to be a surprise, it won't be on the 7th day, because that's the last day, so it wouldn't be a surprise.

That means that the last day the can hang me is the 6th day ... but since they can't hang me on the 7th day, if I make it to day 6, it won't be a surprise, so day 6 is out too ...

but ... if they come for me on day 5, it won't be a surprise, because they can't hang me on days 6 or 7 ...

... but ...

(repeat)

Saddam: "You cannot hang me!"

Court: "Take him outside and hang him. Surprised?"

Re:Automatic appeal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724641)

I'm going to fucking stab you in the eye. Maybe then you'll learn.

Re:Automatic appeal (1)

Shajenko42 (627901) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724555)

It seems that the court is in Iraq following Iraqi laws (which are really just whatever Bush and company decided they would be). Automatic appeals might not be part of the process.

Re:Automatic appeal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724795)

So it's the same as we have here under the Military Act?

Gee... (0, Redundant)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724477)

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Re:Gee... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724759)

Not a nicer guy, no, but it could still happen to George Bush.

At least that's the hope.

I'm happy I have nothing to do with this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724817)

One third of the world countries still use capital punishment (source: Wikipedia).

Mind you, I'm not saying he's innocent. What I mean is the death penalty is inadequate to him, to any human being and absolutely not acceptable to some people (me included).

We don't do this! This borders cannibalism. This is immoral in oh so many ways, I don't even have to use religion for this one.

Not to mention he was f****** put there by his very executors! It's kind of "we're using two weights and two measures and hang our former employee".

God have mercy on us because we don't have on those indebted to us.

Mission Accomplished (1, Insightful)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724489)

Wow, now our troops can come home, it's over.

And just 2 days before an election, how convenient.

Cheers

 

Re:Mission Accomplished (1)

noamsml (868075) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724593)

I hope you don't actually think that the reason we've been staying here for so long is so that Saddam Hussain will be executed. The fact of the matter is that this doesn't change anything. Saddam is a political playpiece, a trifle, a sideshow. The real happenings are on the battlegrounds, in the parliment, in the streets of Iraq. Saddam is a toy, nothing more.

Re:Mission Accomplished (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724657)

Meanwhile, companies like Bechtel are withdrawing from Iraq, [sfgate.com] even though they haven't accomplished the tasks that they were awarded contracts to do.

A show trial in every sense. (4, Insightful)

arcite (661011) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724491)

This was a show trial.

The US hand picked the judges and the sentence was a forgone conclusion.

Will Saddam get a chance to talk about how he had US support during the war with Iran? I doubt it.

Saddam shouldn't be executed he should be kept alive in a cell for the rest of his life as a lesson for the Iraqi's to learn from.

Executing Saddam will only turn him into a martyr.

Thoughts?

Re:A show trial in every sense. (2, Informative)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724535)

Even better, judges were dismissed [go.com] in the case if they seemed to be too nice to him:
The chief judge in Saddam Hussein's genocide trial was replaced Tuesday amid complaints from Shiite and Kurdish officials that he was too soft on the former Iraqi leader, a move that could raise accusations of government interference in the highly sensitive case.

Now, it's pretty obvious that Saddam wasn't a nice guy. It's just that this trial seems to be so politically well-timed with an outcome that was predetermined from the beginning.

Re:A show trial in every sense. (1)

Rahga (13479) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724625)

"Will Saddam get a chance to talk about how he had US support during the war with Iran? I doubt it."

Being 27, and knowing the target audience for this line of thought, it sounds like some sort of big revelation. Reality is probably closer to the fact that when I was a kid, this stuff wasn't in the history books, not a part of everyday conversation, and really, not all that darned important to anybody anyway.

"Saddam shouldn't be executed he should be kept alive in a cell for the rest of his life as a lesson for the Iraqi's to learn from."

A sentence to a lifetime of boredom strikes fear in the hearts of very few men who would follow in Saddam's footsteps. While it's probably dreary, anyone who's seen The Shawshank Redemption (but skipped Cool Hand Luke) could learn to deal with such a fate.

"Executing Saddam will only turn him into a martyr."

Martyrs are rarely found hanging from the gallows. Saddam's case is even less likely, since he chose to duck and cover in a rathole rather than go out with guns blazing. If anything, his behavior in court makes him look like a pathetic politician more than an evil dictator or candidate for martyrdom. :)

Re:A show trial in every sense. (1)

chord.wav (599850) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724775)

Don't forget that 2 of his defending lawyers were killed. Talk about a fair trial...

Sad To Say.... (1)

Rahga (13479) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724503)

30 days from now? Pipe dream. The Shiites want their day (or years) in court with Saddam, no matter that the verdict will be the same. :)

Well I guess there was one good thing. (1, Interesting)

gijoel (628142) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724509)

... to come out of this. There'll be one less monster in the world.

Re:Well I guess there was one good thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724635)

"... to come out of this. There'll be one less monster in the world."

No, there will be several more in his place.

Killing to avenge a killing just makes more killers. Send his ass to one of the international prisons for the rest of his life and be done with it. Do not grant him rights to speak to the public, nor give him access to any lawyer other than to make certain his conditions are satisfactory for the punishment of his sentence.

I do not understand why killing so often needs to beget more killings. This was a mock trial by my United States. I agree the guy is guilty, but he never had a legitimate chance to defend himself. Being that this is a US sanctioned court, we need to prove we are the Christian nation that GWB so wants to prove to the his citizens, and spare the mans life. This would be a sign that even the worst of the worst can be treated with the same respect Christ would have expected his followers to give others. It might be a sign that the bloodshed should end. Who knows.

I agree, the man deserves to die. I just believe it should not be done within man's artifical timeline, especially as he can harm no one anymore.

Natural Born Killer (2, Insightful)

packetmon (977047) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724511)

So we have one man responsible for thousand of deaths (Saddam) and they're now liberated. Only since the beginning of their liberation, they've actually being dying by the thousands. The irony.

Iraq could *become* a bloodbath? (2, Insightful)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724513)

Could it actually become any worse than it is? So far it seems like people are being killed just about as quickly as the killers can sort out who's a Shi'ite, Suni, or Kurd. The only way I could imagine it getting worse is if they stopped trying to sort out each other, which I doubt will happen.

bloodbath (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724517)

"His lawyer has warned to a bloodbath if the sentence is carried out."

And that would be different from the current situation, how?

As opposed to the blood shower? (1)

arcite (661011) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724561)

Heh, get it? Blood shower? Ah, not funny at all really. ;(

still to come (1)

Keyframe2 (940074) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724525)

trial for genocide over kurds, and there still appeal to the verdict etc.. so it might take awhile before actual punishment

Sympathy for the Devil (2, Insightful)

BeeBeard (999187) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724537)

Several minutes ago, I saw this picture [wikipedia.org] of him over on Wikipedia, and I just felt really, really sorry for him.

The man has already been stripped of his wealth and power, and imprisoned. Will killing him bring back the 148 dead Shiites?

Re:Sympathy for the Devil (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724603)

>> The man has already been stripped of his wealth and power, and imprisoned. Will killing him bring back the 148
>> dead Shiites?

Not to mention that he most like found out the fate of his sons by watching CNN where their corpses were poked.

Re:Sympathy for the Devil (4, Insightful)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724665)

"Will killing him bring back the 148 dead Shiites?"

Killing him will dash the hopes of Sunis wishing to reinstate him and letting him do it all over again. Unless he was going to be held in some prison outside of Iraq, that would always be one of the hopes of the Suni insurgents.

Did you hear his statements upon hearing the sentence? One might interpret them as his shot at martyrdom, but really they're his attempt to convince Sunis outside the courtroom to bust him out.

If the only alternative is to be held in an Iraqi prison, this is the only way to ensure he won't do it again.

Re:Sympathy for the Devil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724699)

'Sunis' want him back? Are you insane? Do you know anything about this conflict? Why don't you read up a bit?

Re:Sympathy for the Devil (1)

Peden (753161) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724673)

Gee, so just being stripped from wealth and power is going to make everything ok? I oppose the death penalty as much as the next guy, but please! This man is a tyrant and a brutal murderer.

Re:Sympathy for the Devil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724829)

Gee, so just being stripped from wealth and power is going to make everything ok?

Of course not - but nor is killing him. Saddam's victims are dead, dead, dead, and nothing is going to bring them back. Merely imprisoning him for life won't help. But nor will killing him.

We're on a slippery slope here. Plenty of people think that prison is too good for him, so he should be executed. Well, great. But why stop there? Surely a nice quick death is too good for such a monster too, so maybe he should be given a slow death, like by burning? Or maybe he should be hanged, drawn, and quartered? Or tortured to death in as slow and painful a way as modern science can devise? I mean, he's a monster, right? We must make his punishment as painful as possible, to discourage other monsters! Hanging's too good for him!

See, it doesn't take long for us to become monsters too, as we rush to exact bloody vengeance on this man. Think long and hard why you are clamoring for a particular punishment, and where you are drawing the lines, and why you are drawing them there.

I oppose the death penalty as much as the next guy, but please! This man is a tyrant and a brutal murderer.

Clearly the next guy does not oppose the death penalty.

No.... (1)

Chineseyes (691744) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724681)

No, It won't quell the violence in Iraq, it won't help republicans in the elections and it certainly won't bring back any of the people he massacred but it will make 100% certain that he never comes back into power and massacres anyone else without other people paying the bill to house, clothe, and feed him in a prison. Show me all the sympathy pictures in the world, it won't change my mind the death penalty is meant for people like Saddam, he has more than earned it.

Re:Sympathy for the Devil (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724685)

Will killing him bring back the 148 dead Shiites?

We won't know for sure until we've tried.

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer...

Re:Sympathy for the Devil (1)

tokul (682258) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724805)

Rana Hussein lives (or lived in 2003) in exile in Jordan. See wikipedia info about Saddam Kamel [wikipedia.org]

And killing him will do what good? (1)

Apotekaren (904220) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724541)

Sure, go ahead, make him a martyr for the terrorists.
Ever since the "war against terror" has started, it has only created more trouble.

And with them four-finned Dolphins coming around, I think I'll thank for the fish, and join them, soon.

Re:And killing him will do what good? (1)

BeeBeard (999187) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724581)

Mercy is the best form of vengeance.

In related news... (0, Troll)

packetmon (977047) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724571)

President Bush signed a measure promising to bring home all American troops of the execution of Saddam is carried out before Election day, Army commanders say sorry to Rumsfeld, and media halt from association the GOP with NAMBLA. "Americans are now safer. Saddam will be justiced, our strong will on newkellur wehpinsh is showing in Korea. And our party is the party of God. This Tuesday, vote republican or Saddam's ghost will return." stated Bush at a NAMBLA convention...

Re:In related news... (1)

ACDChook (665413) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724773)

So Bush is speaking at meetings of the North American Man Boy Love Association now? Well that sure does explain a lot.

Yay! (1, Insightful)

dave420 (699308) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724577)

Punish killing by killing! Go hypocrisy!

Re:Yay! (4, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724763)

Punish killing by killing! Go hypocrisy!

Punish kidnapping by putting someone in jail! Go hypocrisy!

ALL punishments of a criminal would be considered illegal if performed by someone on an innocent person. Therefore, by your logic, all punishing of criminals is hypocritical.

That's the Republican and Democratic mindset. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724809)

Hypocrisy is the very mindset of both the Democrats and the Republicans. They preach certain values, yet never live up to those values themselves. They condemn various ideologies or activities, yet participate themselves in such things.

Republicans preach daily about how awful abortions are. Yet they're the foremost supporters of executing people, be they criminals (who many times have been wrongfully found guilty), or political enemies such as Hussein. They also openly support the wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians, as we have seen recently in Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan. What's more, this sort of killing directly violates one of the Ten Commandments, which Republicans claim to hold dear, and try to force on others.

Furthermore, Republicans take a strong stance against homosexuality, and preach "family values". Yet we find out that many of the more prominent Republicans are paedophiles and/or closet homosexuals.

Hypocrisy forms the basis of the current American system of government. That's likely one of the reasons America is now so looked-down upon throughout the rest of the world. Hypocritical fools just cannot be taken seriously.

148 civilians (1)

matt me (850665) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724835)

How many civilians have been killed as a consequence of the invasion?

political stunt? not a good one (1)

not already in use (972294) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724587)

If the timing of this news is some sort of political stunt, it's not a very good one. It brings the ONLY closure that we will ever get out of a war that we will be fighting for the foreseeable future.

Why? (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724607)

I must admit that I'm not normally in favour of capital punishment anyway, but in this case I really can't see any of the normal reason given for this sort of thing.

It isn't really going to act as a deterrent to anyone, and it's not like he's going to escape and regain power.

Regardless of what he's done, this is the killing of a defenceless man.

Re:Why? (1)

Psycosys (886125) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724743)

Hmmm, my RAM is full of stolenllamas.

we kill because we MUST (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724627)

if the world weren't full of fucktard creeps like Saddam to name just one we would not be discussing this at all. He is just one more monster on parade. Life is full of ironies and contradictions but to defend this man is incomprehensible.

Executing somebody for ordering executions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724629)

So they've ordered his execution because he allegedly ordered the executions of others. Are they not then guilty of the same crime as he?

Re:Executing somebody for ordering executions? (1)

Iphtashu Fitz (263795) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724693)

So they've ordered his execution because he allegedly ordered the executions of others. Are they not then guilty of the same crime as he?

Nice troll. I'll respond anyway.

Saddam: "A few Kurds tried to assassinate me. Go bomb the Kurdish village with poison gas. Kill everybody."

US-backed Iraqi government: "You ordered the mass murder of thousands of innocent people, including women and children. You're a waste of human life. Rot in hell. Here, let us speed you on the way."

There's a bit of a difference there.

Re:Executing somebody for ordering executions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724803)

A few handfuls of people from afghanistan attack america
We bomb the #$(*& out of afghanistan

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/174053 8.stm [bbc.co.uk]

last time i checked 3800 > 135

Re:Executing somebody for ordering executions? (1)

baryon351 (626717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724733)

So they've ordered his execution because he allegedly ordered the executions of others. Are they not then guilty of the same crime as he?

Two weeks ago we an arson hit in a forest a few miles behind my house. The firefighters burned off some land in order to contain the spread of the fire. Are the firefighters not also guilty of the same crime as the original arsonists?

Information Minister press release needed (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724683)

I am sorry, but I just don't believe this news until Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf tells it me himself.

For months I hung on his every word and was sure the American infidel invaders would not take Iraq.

(In reality, I welcome the verdict but not the sentence)

Can read this anywhere else on the web.... (1)

gamer4Life (803857) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724691)

No need for it to be posted on /. -- unless, of course, Slashdot is the only source of news for some people...

I wonder what will happen to Linux after Saddam is gone?

Bush better not visit there again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724705)

If they hang people for being responsible for the death of a hundred or so civilians,
Bush better not set foot on soil under their control or they might do the same to him.

In all comments above... see very well illustrated (1, Insightful)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724713)

That the left is opposed to democracy. The democratically elected government introduced the death penalty, and now it should not be carried out ...

No it will not bring back the dead, but it WILL do 2 things :
-> declare once and for all, and for everyone to see that killing is not allowed, which is a good thing
-> prevent anyone from helping him (kill even more), which is a good thing
-> prevent him from doing any further damage, which is a good thing
-> bring this criminal's death during a last display of public humiliation, where everybody is reminded that he was a murderer, which is a VERY good thing
-> kill this animal just as he killed his thousands of victims, which is a good thing

No, revenge is bad. But this is not revenge. This is a public, and final statement that nobody gets to kill.

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance"

Re:In all comments above... see very well illustra (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724791)

...except for us.

If the left is opposed to democracy, then that means they're opposed to freedom, which means... ... they support terrorism!

Damn bastards.

Re:In all comments above... see very well illustra (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724821)

And how will keeping him in jail for life not accomplish those things? Do you think Saddam Hussein is such a criminal mastermind that if he ever broke out he could retake Iraq? Do you think there are actually Iraqis out there who doubt that killing innocent people is morally wrong and need a reminder? As for "kill this animal just as he killed his thousands of victims", that sounds exactly like revenge to me. Please, read what you're saying and think of the real consequences when Iraqis see that even their great American liberators punish people through barbarism.

Finally, what the heck does the left have to do with the comments above? Just because they disagree with the Republican government they must be liberals?

But it's not justice (5, Interesting)

cat_jesus (525334) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724823)

It's theatre. The court he was tried in has no legal standing over crimes that were perpetuated before the court was created. It was in every sense of the word a kangaroo court. He should have been tried in The Hague at the International Court of Justice. The problem with trying him there is that the US would lose control over the proceedings and would not be able to use the trial for their own political gain.

Hurray! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724715)

Let him swing. Then have big piles of rocks available so after he's dead, people can stone him and make themselves feel better.

A blood bath? What the bloody hell do you think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724727)

A blood bath? What the bloody hell do you think it is now, a tea party? I say hang the bitch, then burn him in the name of GWBUSH, our Lord and Saviour. Amen!

Losing a wealth of historical knowledge. (2, Insightful)

Lethyos (408045) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724751)

I think Saddam deserves to be punished as much as the next guy. He is categorically evil and I find myself unable to deny him the death penalty. But this is so convenient for the United States. He has a great deal to tell the world about how we supported the rise of his regime. How we tried to play Iran and Iraq against each other by supplying both with weapons. Eliminating Saddam makes us that less likely to see accountability for our past transgressions.

Now that Saddam has had his trial, it is about time to put Donald Rumsfeld [gwu.edu] (and other now prominent neo-conservatives) on trial for providing material support to a man we knew to be a brutal dictator.

Are you serious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16724765)

I thought all along that he was innocent. You think you know a guy. I feel really bad now that we sold him all those chemical weapons. :/ He seemed so nice and he promised us they were for security purposes against Iran only and not for killing innocent people.

This is unbelievable! It shakes my whole world view to the core. It definitely makes me want to vote republican.

Mission Accomplicate (2, Insightful)

packetmon (977047) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724771)

So Saddam is convicted of killing 148. The toll post-Saddam is 100,000 and counting [bbc.co.uk] (Iraqis) and 3,041 US military personnel [cryptome.org] . Beheadings don't count. If you ask me, I'd say 100,000 is not a bad number of casualties and we (GOP'ers) can justify the 3,041 Americans based on actionable intelligence that shows that Saddam Hussein was a terrorist.

We can all forget about Darfur [darfurgenocide.org] now its obvious there could never be a more evil tyrant than Saddam.

America, we're (GOP'ers) asking you to forgive our sins [wikipedia.org] , they're nothing more than political tricks by dems to sway the vote. We've brough gasoline prices down, we're bringing the troops home, we've got the largest unemployment ratio [google.com] in five years. All is well. If you don't vote for us now, the dems will allow Rosary beads of mass destruction [theregister.co.uk] into America. They're (dems) secretly colluding with Osama, Kim Jong Il, and Idi Amin. And as God is our witness (keep in mind dems are really Satan worshipping sinners), if you don't vote for us terrible things will happen.

Mark me 'Redundant', but... (1)

EinZweiDrei (955497) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724783)

...this has NO business on SlashDot.

Which sentence will Bush get? (2, Insightful)

phatscum (1023069) | more than 7 years ago | (#16724811)

Saddam Hussein: 148 killings of Iraqi people in the town of Dujail: Sentenced to death

G.W. Bush: 650,000 killings of Iraqi civilians. Sentence? Oh wait...
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