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AIDS Can Fight AIDS

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the numbers-games dept.

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dptalia writes "Scientists at the University of Pennsylvania have announced that they have engineered a strain of the AIDS virus that fights AIDS. This strain of AIDS works like a vaccine and improved the immune system of the test subjects. After three years on this new therapy, no side effects have been observed."

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276 comments

AIDS? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748685)

Too bad the Slashdot staff [blogspot.com] all have AIDS.

Re:AIDS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749349)

Too bad the Slashdot staff all have AIDS.

Unlikely. If that were the case do you think there would be so many dupes?

Two Wrongs (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748691)

So does this mean that two wrongs DO make a right?

Re:Two Wrongs (1)

FreeIX (1011833) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748703)

So does this mean that two wrongs DO make a right?
I'd go with fights fire with fire.

Re:Two Wrongs (4, Interesting)

carl0ski (838038) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749379)

i would more call it Fire versus Ashes
the more ash the less fire can breathe

The technique are using appears to modify an AIDS strain to have complete opposite effect offsetting HIV.
HIV slows the Immune system their system lets call it VIH accelerates the Immune system again to fight HIV.

Re:Two Wrongs (2, Insightful)

JPriest (547211) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748777)

-1 * -1 = +1

Re:Two Wrongs (4, Funny)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748821)

no. but three lefts do.

Re:Two Wrongs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748937)

> So does this mean that two wrongs DO make a right?

Of course!

Aren't you familiar with the homeopathic principle that "like cures like" ?

Re:Two Wrongs (1)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749031)

No, better is.. lohaa lohe ko kaatataa hai /hindi

Means.. use iron to cut iron.

Gibson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748707)

Wasn't this in one of William Gibson's books?

Re:Gibson (1)

undeaf (974710) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748851)

Wasn't this in one of William Gibson's books?
Yup, in Virtual Light. It's at least a year late. Most people would have to be high on dancer to be willing to be test subjects for this.

Re:Gibson (2, Insightful)

lisaparratt (752068) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749619)

If you've already got HIV, what have you got to lose?

A lot more is necessary... (4, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748719)

... for this to turn into something big, but I think it's a hopeful start. A lot of people are laboring under the mistaken belief that the drug cocktails available now will somehow stop AIDS. But even if somehow made available inexpensively worldwide (which ain't gonna happen any time soon), it still wouldn't be enough. We need radically better treatment. It needs to be inexpensive, easy to administer, and something that only needs to be administered once.

Re:A lot more is necessary... (2, Insightful)

Telvin_3d (855514) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748767)

... and then we need to wait for the patents to expire so that the people who actually need it can afford what the drug companies will charge.

Re:A lot more is necessary... (4, Interesting)

debilo (612116) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748817)

... and then we need to wait for the patents to expire so that the people who actually need it can afford what the drug companies will charge.
Or we pull a stunt [bbc.co.uk] like Brazil on the drug companies and force them to reduce the price. [bbc.co.uk]

Re:A lot more is necessary... (1)

mccoma (64578) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749017)

or we could fix the FDA process and fix liability (every drug will kill someone).

Re:A lot more is necessary... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749617)

And destroy the drug companies' ability to make a profit. Drugs are expensive because research is expensive(not to mention full of dead ends). When you shell out major cash for your drugs, your funding the sort of research that made this headline(some of the funding anyway, TFA says NIAID partly funded this one). It should be noted that VIRxSYS is a relatively new corp; they don't appear to have any products at market and function on VC and grants for the research. This isn't some ginormous drug company like Pfizer with a 15%+ profiit margin. Stick a price control on this and you pretty much screw the people who have invested 80 million in it.

Re:A lot more is necessary... (1, Interesting)

foobsr (693224) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749095)

On the other hand ... [virusmyth.net] .

CC.

Aids doesn't kill people, drugs kill people (1, Informative)

nido (102070) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749287)

One example of someone who declined to take an AIDS cocktail:

Traywick [one-time heavy meth user] was diagnosed 21 years ago and has been healthy ever since, despite never having taken anti-HIV medications. Antibody tests demonstrate conclusively that he harbors the virus. But his immune system has controlled it so effectively that repeated blood assays have never shown a detectable level of the invader, even though Traywick still occasionally uses speed and engages in unprotected sex.

-HIV-Positive Group May Hold the Key to Defeating AIDS [latimes.com] : Infected but not ill, 'elite controllers' make up less than 1% of those with the virus. They may hold the key to its cure. (emphasis added)


I understand that all the AIDS patients who took AZT [wikipedia.org] in the 80's are now dead. Not much of a surprise, when you consider the side effects [wikipedia.org] .

Follow the money, and you too can understand why AIDS is still getting the "teh cure is just around the corner", after over 20 years of research.

old content (1)

hany (3601) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749291)

I took a look at the site you mentioned (specificaly first page and their's tour) and all the statements of the people are from between 1992 and 2000.

Then in section "MISSING VIRUS" there is latest entry, I quote:

Another Award (April '02)
Alex Russel is offering £10,000 Reward for the first person who can prove that HIV exists. See the details.

And latest news entries are from 2002 too.

So, while those pages about AIDS looks good and correct, they lack fresh content and may be by now (2006) even incorrect.

Do you have links to some more up-to-date content?

What happened to that Alex Russel reward offering? What are the latest news>? ...

Re:A lot more is necessary... (4, Funny)

nacturation (646836) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749269)

It needs to be inexpensive, easy to administer, and something that only needs to be administered once.

A bullet?

[Yes, I'm joking. And yes, I know I'm going straight to hell for that one.]
 

Re:A lot more is necessary... (1)

RoLi (141856) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749311)

IMO the most important thing would be to prevent further spread of the virus.

Does anybody know wether patients which use the anti-HIV drugs available can still infect others?

Of course we would need mandatory HIV-tests on the border which wouldn't be very politically correct. But if every country would implement those, it would be possible to effectively eliminate AIDS in one country after another.

Re:A lot more is necessary... (1)

tryptych (1023927) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749523)

Yes, you can still transmit HIV while on medication. It doesnt destroy it, it merely suppresses it. The single biggest problem though is if you take medication, and then come off it, or even forget a few doses, it becomes ineffective and you gain resistance to the drug treatment. This can then also be passed on. That way you get a double whammy, if you catch the virus, you also catch the resistance to the medication.

More (4, Interesting)

Mark_MF-WN (678030) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749361)

More certainly is necessary. Much, much more. But drug cocktails do help substantially. All else being equal, they drastically reduce the odds of a person spreading the HIV virus during an unprotected sexual encounter, and reduce the odds of a pregnant woman passing it to her child from 30% (surprising in and of itself) to something like 5%. Now granted, people with HIV shouldn't be running around getting pregnant in the first place, nor should they be having unprotected sex. But it's not a perfect world, and if drug cocktails slow the spread, that's a win in my book. If they save even a few children from being born with HIV, that's a gargantuan win against a terrible injustice.

I think that, in the long run, HIV is a prime candidate for eradication. Compared to something like smallpox or polio, HIV spreads slowly, the method of infection is easy to manage, quarantine is easy if morally questionable, the spread is easy to track, and we're on top of a few of the principal vectors already (ie: tainted blood and contaminated medical instruments). Needle-exchange programs could bring even more. Any capacity for actually eliminating or completely supressing the disease would make the eradication of HIV an immediate possbility, and one that would get acted on very quickly.

Re:A lot more is necessary... (4, Informative)

tryptych (1023927) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749457)

These HIV cocktails DO effectively stop AIDS. AIDS is a condition caused by the HIV virus reducing and eventually depleting CD4 cells used in the immune system to nothing. An uninfected person usually has a CD4 count of around 800. When this is reduced to under 100, this is then classified as AIDS. Even if the CD4 count were to rise well above that threshold, they are still considered to have AIDS. Most HIV+ people on combination therapy start once their CD4 drops below 200, and from then on it rises back up at about 100 a year thereafter. The side effects are often not good, but so far, everyone seems to be living pretty normal lives. It's no cure, but its a start. http://www.aidsmap.com/ [aidsmap.com]

Perhaps HIV? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748723)

There is no such thing as an "AIDS" virus, per say... I think you mean to say that they used a modified HIV virus. AIDS is the resulting symptom that people with HIV (or certain other diseases) might develop.

Re:Perhaps HIV? - Nitpicking the Nitpicker (4, Informative)

Mjlner (609829) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749535)

There is no such thing as an "AIDS" virus, per say... I think you mean to say that they used a modified HIV virus. AIDS is the resulting symptom that people with HIV (or certain other diseases) might develop.

There is no such thing as an "HIV virus", per se. There is, however a "Human Immunodeficiency Virus", which is shortened to HIV, or - if you will - " the HI-virus".

Ingenious (5, Funny)

Centurix (249778) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748731)

We can genetically modify idiots to fight other idiots!

Re:Ingenious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748747)

You don't need to modify them to make that happen.

Re:Ingenious (5, Funny)

debilo (612116) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748779)

We can genetically modify idiots to fight other idiots!

Yeah, but the idea is not patentable, since Congress has prior art.

Re:Ingenious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749033)

Prior art? the USPTO cares not for prior art!

Re:Ingenious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749177)

Thats only because they where genetically enginiered by congress not to care about prior art.

Re:Ingenious (1)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749281)

We can genetically modify idiots to fight other idiots!
Yeah, but the idea is not patentable, since Congress has prior art.
How's it go ?

By the people, for the people ?

Re:Ingenious (1, Offtopic)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749083)

Have you ever seen a Presidential debate?

Nature has already done it.

LK

Highlander (4, Funny)

Umbral Blot (737704) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748743)

There can only be one! (AIDS virus)

Re:Highlander (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748927)

You must mean "There can be only one!"

Re:Highlander (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748969)

There can only be one!

Yoda, highlander is!

Playing With Fire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749167)

And then the new HIV will mutate and fight people too.

hmm i'm confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749693)

Do we still have to close the pool, while we put the new aids into it?

Obligatory Team America post (-1, Flamebait)

Driving Vertigo (904993) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748751)

Everyone has AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS!
Everyone has AIDS!

And so this is the end of our story
And everyone is dead from AIDS
It took from me my best friend
My only true pal
My only bright star (he died of AIDS)

Well I'm gonna march on Washington
Lead the fight and charge the brigades
There's a hero inside of all of us
I'll make them see everyone has AIDS

My father (AIDS!)
My sister (AIDS!)
My uncle and my cousin and her best friend (AIDS AIDS AIDS!)
The gays and the straights
And the white and the spades

Everyone has AIDS!
My grandma and my dog 'ol blue (AIDS AIDS AIDS)
The pope has got it and so do you (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
C'mon everybody we got quilting to do (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
We gotta break down these baricades, everyone has
AIDS! x 20

major lulz (0, Troll)

WisC (963341) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748761)

slashdot featured a story about aids! next time scuttlemonkey bends you over, he will say dont worry there is a cure

a picture of slashdots aids ridden arsehole can be seen here http://goatse.cz/ [goatse.cz]

So after the AIDS.... (4, Funny)

UniverseIsADoughnut (170909) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748769)

So after the AIDS kills the AIDS, then they send something in to kill the AIDS that kills the AIDS....

So at what point does a Cow get sent in to go after the chicken.

Re:So after the AIDS.... (5, Funny)

kupan787 (916252) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748973)

Skinner: Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.
Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

Re:So after the AIDS.... (1)

Dersaidin (954402) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749073)

As soon as we discover a way to inject either of these.

Re:So after the AIDS.... (1)

dorianh49 (988940) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749735)

I don't know why... she swallowed a (spanish) fly. Perhaps she'll die.

don't cross the streams (4, Funny)

macadamia_harold (947445) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748771)

Scientists at the University of Pennsylvania have announced that they have engineered a strain of the AIDS virus that fights AIDS.

Well, whatever you do, don't cross the streams. You're sure to get human sacrifice, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria!

Re:don't cross the streams (0, Redundant)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749129)

That might be funny, if I had only seen Ghostbusters once.

It's blasphemy. You just don't mix Spengler and Venkman quotes.

LK

People can fight people (4, Funny)

Bushido Hacks (788211) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748773)

It's only a matter of time before one of the AIDS strains invades the other AIDS strains on suspicions of building protiens of mass cell destruction.

They put in more T cells than they took out... (1)

enosys (705759) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748789)

They say they put in more T cells than they took out. Has this sort of thing been tried before? It makes sense; if a disease depletes some cells why not create more in a laboratory and put them into the patient. I'm guessing this doesn't work in general for some reason with AIDS.

Re:They put in more T cells than they took out... (4, Insightful)

SnowZero (92219) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749045)

Um, that's like adding dry wooden supports to a house that's on fire... not going to work.

You need some way of blocking the virus from exploiting the new T-cells as "fuel". This new virus is kind of like a fire ring; Burn/infect it first in a controlled way to stop the real fire/infection from spreading further.

AIDS Hoax-Ten reasons HIV is not the cause of AIDS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748805)

AIDS Hoax-Ten reasons HIV is not the cause of AIDS

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-681449142 7846073388 [google.com] 1 hr 55 min 43 sec

I'll spare you a rant about the medical industry. But just think about the economic impact and how it would affect the profits of those giants in the medical industry if people learned the truth and how to heal themselves and what makes them sick...

Oblig. Planet of the Apes reference (1)

rdwald (831442) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748807)

AIDS has killed AIDS!
AIDS has killed AIDS!
AIDS has killed AIDS!
AIDS has killed AIDS!

(additional stuff to bypass lameness filter.)

I hope these scientists are around.. (1)

Channard (693317) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748825)

... when the zombie plague hits. Not only will zombie vs zombie become a way of disposing of the living dead, but we can televise it and make it the new national sport. Don't know what we'll do with the remaining living dead though. Fast food jobs, perhaps?

AIDS Can Fight AIDS? (5, Informative)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748827)

AIDS is a condition, not a virus.

AIDS != HIV

Re:AIDS Can Fight AIDS? (5, Informative)

blitz77 (518316) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749099)

Where art thou, mods?!!? Mod parent up!

HIV is the virus which affects the immune system (by infecting the T-helper lymphocytes). AIDS is what happens after enough time has passed for the HIV virus to put a sufficient enough dent in the immune system - that's why its called Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome after all.

So I think its more correct to say that it's HIV to fight HIV-using a HIV modified virus to stimulate the immune system against HIV.

Re:AIDS Can Fight AIDS? (1)

gabriel.dain (928879) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749675)

> So I think its more correct to say that it's HIV to fight HIV-using a HIV modified virus to stimulate the immune system against HIV. Yes, and at the same time, no; from the article, I gather that this new virus doesnt stimulate the immune system directly- it acts as some sort of flag or filter. It is engineered so that the two strains of HIV can coexist in the same "infected" cell. In a normal HIV-infected cell, the genetic code is replaced by the virus', and the cell starts producing more copies of the virus until it dies. With this modified HIV, the genetic code is still replaced, but the cells produced are HIV-free. That is what lets the immune system rebuild itself, its not the actual virus that helps it.

Pool's Closed (1)

EvilBrak89 (966478) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748829)

Due to AIDS.

Re:Pool's Closed (1)

RoffleTheWaffle (916980) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749471)

More like AIDS is closed, due to AIDS.

Obligatory time para- *Classic division-by-zero implosion complete with event-horizon*

aids is a hoax (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748845)

Aids doesn't exist in the first place:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-439685685 0556632563 [google.com]

Though the hoax has made quite a few people phenomenally rich.

Re:aids is a hoax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749229)

Though the hoax has made quite a few people phenomenally rich.
However, at the same time, the hoax (YouTube video) didn't make phenomenal idiots any better, well, maybe worse.

Re:aids is a hoax (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749283)

Fine - go get yourself all jacked up with HIV. Wait a few years, and THEN tell me HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

Go on - go ahead - do it - inject yourself with a snootful of HIV. I dare ya. Naaaa- I DOUBLE DOG DARE YA!

RS

Re:aids is a hoax (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749293)

Aids doesn't exist in the first place:
Though the hoax has made quite a few people phenomenally rich.


Unfortunately, whatever the cause of AIDS, it's made many phenomenally dead.
 

Re:aids is a hoax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749687)

So did scurvey, and in that case the fix was also known, just ignored.

Sigh... (1)

static0verdrive (776495) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748859)

Well... There goes solving the Human problem.

So if you have AIDS, you're in luck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748867)

Man, those lucky bastards, only they have the ability to fight AIDS.

Moo (1)

Chacham (981) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748879)

Newsflash: AIDS aids AIDS.

What about HCV? (2, Interesting)

davegaramond (632107) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748899)

A lot of HIV/AIDS research is going on, but I wonder, what about Hepatitis C virus? As I recall, it also leads to fatality (liver damage + death) in more than 70-80% of the cases, transmits much like HIV (blood transfusion, needles, sexual intercourse), and in some regions especially South East Asia it's far more prevalent than HIV. There's also no known vaccine against it at the moment.

Re:What about HCV? (5, Interesting)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748979)

From my experience, a lot of biotech companies that do R&D about AIDS tend to to Hepatitis C at the same time. The research process is very very similar, and in both cases, is a lot of trial and error. So they try a molecule or another one one, then try it on the other if it didn't work, etc.

At least, I've worked for a few biotech companies that specialised in either HIV or Hepatitis C, and all of them at -least- worked on the side on the other in parallele, reusing all compounds, methodologies, and documentation/research. I don't know if it was an isolated experience, but it really seems like it was the more efficient way to go.

No Fair (1)

KU_Fletch (678324) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748901)

Threads about AIDS really hurts some of our abilities to make jokes or insert Simpsons quotes into as many threads as possible.

Re:No Fair (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749277)

Don't have a cow, man. You can insert lame quotes in the next story.

Aids or Alzheimers? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748925)

A guy takes his ill and aging wife in to the doctor's office.

After a full examination, the doc tells the guy it's one of two things.

The Doc says, "Well, it's either Alzheimers disease or AIDS."

"What do you mean!" The guy says, "Can't you tell the difference?"

"Well, says the Doc, the two look a lot alike in the early stages... Tell you what ya do...Drive her way out into the country, kick her out of the car, and if she finds her way back, - don't have sex with her anymore!"

Simpsons FTW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748929)

Reminds me of a simpsons episode...
Dr. Hibbert: "So you can see you have every disease, and a few we've never really seen. They've reached a sort of symbiance and are balanced in such a way that it isn't affecting you. ha ha ha."
Mr. Burns: "So what you're saying is i'm invincible?"
Dr. Hibbert: "Oh dear God no, the slightest breeze could kill y..."
Mr. Burns: "Invincible..."

spammer vs spammer!! (1)

chiseen (846098) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748965)

Spammer spams his own computer!! Fixes the problem on the spot!

aids used to cure other things? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16748975)

ok. so lets say i take some antibodies for some other disease and use AIDS to administer it; or some sort of modification to your system. That's got some crazy possibilities IMHO.

cure == disease? (2, Funny)

atarione (601740) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748985)

Dr. the bad news.. you have AIDS and left untreated it will kill

you: DAMN

Dr. now the good news we will inject you with AIDS that will kill your AIDS

you: GREAT

Dr. Now the not so good news the AIDS that kills the AIDS will then kill you.

FYI (1)

justinlee37 (993373) | more than 7 years ago | (#16748999)

You have AIDS, yes you have AIDS, not HIV but fulll bloowwwnnnn AIIDSSS [slashdot.org]

Re:FYI (1)

justinlee37 (993373) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749015)

That was a copy+pasta goof of epic proportions. This [google.com] is what I meant to share.

What a Cure (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749013)

If you want a cure for AIDs you must have butt sex with someone that has the anti-AIDs AIDs or something.

Re:What a Cure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749047)

Hey, there. Wanna be my butt-buddy?

Re:What a Cure (1)

nosferatu1001 (264446) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749437)

Sounds like fun. Can me and my boyfriend join you?

So we can use AIDS to fight AIDS? (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749023)

I think I remember an article about using Cancer to fight Cancer as well.

I see a pattern emerging.

Time to convince my local fire fighters that the old saying actually does hold some water, which they won't need anymore since they'll be using fire to beat down the flames...

Re:So we can use AIDS to fight AIDS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749133)

We must sacrifice our freedom in order to save our freedom!

Re:So we can use AIDS to fight AIDS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749185)

Firefighters do use fire to fight fires. They light brush in a controlled burn to help stop the spread of brush fires. My bros a firefighter, I've seen it work.

Re:So we can use AIDS to fight AIDS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749575)

Actually you can fight fire with fire - depending on what your goal is - if your goal is to outdo the other fire you just need to make a bigger fire. If your goal is to stop the other fire you just make a really big but contained fire around the first fire and then the first fire doesn't get any oxygen and dies and then you turn off the bigger fire.

AIDS IS NOT THE SAME AS HIV!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749043)

HIV, the Human Immunodeficiency Virus, is a virus that systematically destroys the T cells that help ward off infection.

AIDS, Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome, is a CONDITION that afflicts those infected with HIV that have gone without treatment or have severe infections for a variety of other reasons. It is characterized by a weakness of the immune system and a concomitant increased likelihood to become infected with something that you might have otherwise fought off (i.e. cleared). So in other words, the AIDS does not kill you in the same sense that Ebola would (massive internal bleeding). It kills you by making you much, much more prone to something that you would have been exposed to anyways.

If I see another article referring to the "AIDS virus" I think I shall scream. When in doubt, the virus is the one with the "V" in its name!

Finally! (4, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749057)

The principles of Bum Fighting applied to medical science. It brings a tear of joy to my eye.

A Cure? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749065)

If this is a cure and you're a man and can't get laid in the next 24 hours, just chop the damn thing off.

um....no.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749115)

This has got to be the stupidest fucking AIDS-news-of-the-season I've seen yet. If you really want to get educated on AIDS, read the featured wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] and learn something. Don't read this reuters sensationalist bullshit.

Strange... (1)

Analein (1012793) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749123)

Posting news about sexually transmitted diseases on slashdot is like writing news on poisoned beef steak in an African newspaper, isn't it?

Re:Strange... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749187)

Pfft, you act like you can't get an infectious rash from holding a Spock doll in your rectum. Silly virgin.

Re:Strange... (1)

EvanTaylor (532101) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749539)

Yeah, talking about poisoned Beef in Africa wouldn't help me at all...  But having had steak for dinner at a friends house in Accra a few weeks ago, it might be pertinent to know if there is mad cow or something going on in Ghana...  At least for me.

Competitive antagonism...? (4, Interesting)

Fulg0re- (119573) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749159)

The idea seems pretty insightful. I'm curious, however, as to what is the mechanism of preferential cell uptake and synthesis of the genetically engineered HIV strain if it is still using the same env gene (CD4 and CCR binding)? Did they also modify the tat and nef genes as well? Are there simply more viruses being made somehow, thus increasing its particular population?

The second thing I'm curious about is if the original HIV infection can be wiped out completely? We know that it hides out (M and T tropic strains) in the dendritic cells, lymph nodes, macrophages, etc., and can transfer from cell-to-cell without hematologic involvement, so it seems to me at least, that some latent virons of the original HIV infection will still be around.

They further suggest that the CD4 count increases, yet, how is this possible if the genetically engineered HIV strain is competing with the original strain? I'm assuming that the CD8 T-cells are possibly having an "easier" time fighting off the genetically engineered strain, and possibly giving its numbers a chance to bounce back up and stay elevated. This may lessen the burden on the CD4 cells, giving those numbers a chance to rise as well.

One problem, however, is that it's only a matter of time before the original HIV (T tropic) strain mutates. Normally, this would knock-off the humoral system, e.g., CD8 and CD4 counts plummet, just as the new strains begin their assault. With the genetically engineered strain, I'm not so sure what sequence this will occur.

Just an idea, if they can actually use this method, along with tweaking the surface antigen genes to actually mutate (and yes, there are millions of possibilities, and I'm assuming that natural selection doesn't require every possibility), we may actually be able to get the humoral system to recognize a sufficient number of antigenic sites and possibilities to be able to mount a full response, and eventually cure the person of HIV!

Antisense (iRNA) (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16749385)

They key here, i believe, is the use of antisense http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisense [wikipedia.org] to block production of the HIV-1 Virus. this novel approach of RNA interfances (nobel prize 06) is one of the (indirect) reasons why the nobel prize was adward.

The AIDS is dead! (1)

mode13 (1023713) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749351)

Long live the AIDS!

Morons (-1, Redundant)

tryptych (1023927) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749395)

AIDS is a condition caused by HIV. AIDS doesnt do anything, or kill anyone. I thought this was a scientifically based forum, not just a collection of American fuckwits.

Obligatory Cuberpunk Reference (1)

slappyjack (196918) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749417)

In William Gibson's Virtual Light, AIDS was cured by finding a variant of AIDS that destroyed other AIDS strains and did no harm to its host. I think they guy they "discovered" that strain in was named JD Shapley.

The story of it is spread thruoghout the novel, which I though was pretty damn good.

I'm well aware I used AIDS three times on one sentence. Hey, it's late.

You mean (1)

bytesex (112972) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749439)

HIV can fight HIV.

AIDS virus? (1)

alunharford (810146) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749541)

HIV is the virus; not AIDS.
This is supposed to be in the science section!
Remember: Pseudoscience kills.

Setting the record straight - New advances (HIV) (5, Informative)

blahdeblah2000 (1013033) | more than 7 years ago | (#16749727)

Every couple of weeks or so the media buy a press release about how 'a new drug' / 'gene therapy' / 'Nanotechnology' could possibly cure AIDS.

Now let's get a few things straight -

Firstly, all these potential cures work against HIV (which causes AIDS).

Secondly, there are already some great meds around for extend life span of people infected with the HI virus by 20+ years as long as people infected are adherrent to their drugs and live healthly lifestyle. Of course when you live in poverty and without access to decent healthcare this is damn hard - hence the problems in resource poor communities.

Thirdly, there is a huge pipeline of new potential drugs which may improve on the current medication regimes and if anyone is interested these tables below will give some indication of the new advanced that may possibly become approved over the next few years after extensive tests: -

Finally, if people are really interested in the latest new drugs for HIV they can get the simply subscribe to thebody.com that has an excellent newsletter which includes new developments. Or look at their latest update on Other Antiviral Drugs in Development- Sept 13 2006 [thebody.com] and note the following paragraph

'Antisense Drugs These are a "mirror image" of part of the HIV genetic code. The drug locks onto the virus to prevent it from functioning. One antisense drug, HGTV43 by Enzo Therapeutics, is starting Phase II trials. VIRxSYS has completed a Phase I trial of its product, VRX496.'

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