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Pictures of New iMac

Roblimo posted more than 15 years ago | from the keeping-up-with-the-macjoneses dept.

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webslacker writes "Those snoops over at Apple Insider have gotten their hands on some blueprints of the new iMac. Not a drastic change, but it now uses a short-neck CRT and the new trayless DVD drive is very very cool. Check it out."

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New Case Design (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657855)

I don't see any different thinking going on here... Same ole' shee-it. Anyway, my screen is melting..... Too much 'cid..d..d.....d..d........d. . . ... .

Cheap, not sexy.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657856)

Get a're they going to keep the price down with a flatscreen..and as far as the 'PC hardware' bit..uh..they've been using IDE drives in their cheaper systems for a looooong time now, and now that IDE's gotten a bit faster, we don't have to laugh (as much) at the non-SCSI machines. Nothing wrong with taking advantage of cheap PC hardware to run an OS that's worth a squirt.. I just wish they'd quit the whole white-70's scifi look. Black, I want black cases, Apple.

Whattabout OS/X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657857) colors, DVD, sound, graphics, dices, slices, does your taxes, blahdy-blah.

When is OS/X gonna run on it?

Re:Not for Nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657858)

Well, if Apple jumped ship from ATI-crap that the boxes use it would be great. If ever NV10-based GFX-cards becomes avail for the G4 Mac's then I will surtanly get rid of my PC and buy one.

Please stop bashing the iMac. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657859)

Please stop bashing the iMac.

If it looks silly to you, it probably wasn't meant to be purchased by you. It is a comsumer-oriented machine and therefore is not designed for people who get their jollies staring at the output of ps -a.

This will be very cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657860)

Now we know almost for certain that the iMac will continue to be sucessful. I love my powerbook g3, if I had the cash I would buy one of these new iMacs! When I go off to college I plan to buy a high end Mac with the biggest lcd display I can get. Long live Macs, screw Wintel boxes. Wintel boxes are only useful if you can install Linux or BeOS over Windows.

Re:Not for Nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657861)

No kidding, it is meant for end users! I use Linux on my wintel box, but I love to play around with my powerbook

Re:Please stop bashing the iMac. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657862)

Somehow I knew that this comment I made would be moderated as flamebait. *sighs* I state a fact, it gets called instigation. I guess that's nothing new to the world.

Re:It is just me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657863)

Yes, although I have to admit I would love to convert an iMac to a fish tank... :)

Re:Please stop bashing the iMac. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657864)

Maybe it's because you called pc's a "ps".

I'm sure that didn't help.

Just one more thing needed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657865)

a price under $800 and a $200-$400 model if you sign up for 3 years of some crappy Internet service for $20/month. I know the ONLY reason my brother bought the PC he did was because he got a $400 discount + $100 in rebates off the price for signing up for internet service for three years through prodigy. Yes, I know, prodigy sucks and I warned him but he wanted a cheap computer.

Re:Not for Nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657866)

I think that Apple will continue to use the ATI video cards for a while to come. However, if you don't like the Rage Pro that comes with the box you can always run out and buy a 3Dfx Voodoo card. 3Dfx currently beta drivers for 3Dfx Voodoo 2 and 3 cards. It's the same exact card as the PC, it just requires a bios update. nVida is working on drivers, although they haven't made them public yet...

"very very cool?" oh come on now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657867)

Big deal. What does it really offer? Maybe it's just me, but I can't get all excited about the plastic case that goes around a computer. Seems to me that the most they have to brag about is that they removed one of the initial design flaws: the no-tilt monitor.

What about price? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657868)

The low end model is only CD-ROM, not DVD, but if its priced at $999, this will be one *hot* machine. As for the others, I'm guessing $1199 for the "better" model and $1399 for the "best" model. This works out nicely as the next model up is your low end graphite G4 which starts at $1599.


why not get a laptop then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657869)

just wondering.

FireWire!!! go go GO!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657870)

I think intemMB's will have firewire by next year - you cant ignore it if every iMac and Playstation2, along with a myraid of other consumer electronics have it. Not to mention its supposed inclusion on all digital TV's of the future(mmmmmmm). Imagine hooking up your TV and imac DIRECTLY thru firewire(no d/a conversions) and recording the simpsons and futurama right on to your DVD-ram..... the bliss of nerdvana is before us :)

Re:It deserved to be moderated down. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657871)

Wouldn't every post saying things such as this need to be moderated down as well, then? "Who really gives a fudge about these thingies as long as MkLinux/YellowDog isn't an option ??" Wouldn't that be insulting to an iMac user? That's essentially saying that the machines are worthless because they don't run those distributions of Linux (which, in fact, I believe that they actually do). And how can you immediately assume that the original poster's intentions were malicious? Did it occur to you people that maybe he/she was just trying to make a point by contrasting people who, hyperbolically, "enjoy" looking at the output of UNIX utility programs to people who just want a consumer-level computer?

Thanks Apple :)) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657872)

I don't know if the specs are final or not because AppleInsider is a rumor sites. BUT, the kihei is a GREAT consumer computer : DVD, ATI 128, good HD, 64 MB of RAM, cool sound system and FIREWIRE ! I'll buy it as soon as I can. For me it's the perfect computer. The first iMac lacked so much things. But this one is COOL !!! Firewire is great because with this iMac can be a professional computer... I hope they will release a nice tangerine one :))) thanks Steve ! Apple listens to its customers and it's great. Apple forever and BeOS one day for the Mac ?

Why there's no G4 imac (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1657887)

G4 has been running into production problems... this is why Motorola recently entered into a deal with AMD to manufacture its chips. Those G4's have to be saved for the ultra powerful new desktops, which are in short enough supply as it is.

It deserved to be moderated down. (2)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657888)

There are ways of posting without insulting people, although, I admit, examples of such posts are difficult to find here sometimes.

- A.P.

"One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad

Re:Not for Nerds (2)

Eccles (932) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657892)

However, if you don't like the Rage Pro that comes with the box you can always run out and buy a 3Dfx Voodoo card

Not for an iMac, you can't. So it'll lag well behind the fastest PCs at 3-D graphics, with no possibility of fixing that problem. You'll have to move up to a Blue&White or G4 for Voodoo3 speed.

When it's out (2)

crayz (1056) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657893)

Hopefully around January, realistically probably a bit later.

The sad thing about OS X is that Apple has finally also got the MacOS to a useable state w/ 8.5/8.6/9.0

Back at 7.5.3 it crashed many, many times a day. Now, it can stay up for days at a time(mine does). OS X is actually less necessary now that Apple finally fixed MacOS.

But I'm still looking forward to it. And there are a lot of people who wouldn't consider getting a Mac until it's out, so Apple should get it out ASAP.

Re:Pretty cool.. (1)

Ian Betteridge (1396) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657896)

Macintouch claims announced on October 5th. I'd think, after the G4 mess, Appls is likely to ship very soon after that.

Re:What's with this Apple bashing? (1)

Ken (3185) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657901)

It's more like:

1.) Apple bad, Linux good (the majority)
2.) Apple good, Linux good (a minority)
3.) Apple good, Linux bad (a small minority)

The types of anti-Apple post I think are the most annoying are the ones that dis the colors and design of a computer and then end it by saying, "well I hate MacOS anyway. That's why I haven't used it since 1990".

Re:nice try, but... (1)

Ken (3185) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657902)

I just got a new 400mhz G4 here at work. I had a blue and white G3, so I had the option of using my old ADB keyboard and mouse. I don't have that option with this G4.

The new Apple USB mouse has a little notch on the button so it's easier to find the top. It took a couple of days of getting used to, but the mouse actually isn't that bad.

I still don't like the keyboard though....

a minor little detail (1)

Stradivarius (7490) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657903)

Well, maybe they would if such a thing existed :-) Problem is, there isn't any such thing as a TNT3 Ultra. Or any TNT3 for that matter...there are TNT2 Ultras (the best consumer cards out there right now), and the next thing from nVidia is called the GeForce 256 (cards based on it are coming this fall).

Re:Kinda confused... (1)

Stradivarius (7490) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657904)

He did his research. The fact is that the Rage 128 Pro (that which is in the G3/G4) is a very mediocre video card these days. Nothing near what you'd get with a TNT2 based card, or even a Voodoo3.

You'd think Apple would get a deal going with nVidia or 3dfx to get something better. This is one area where Apple could definitely improve their offerings.

Re:More of the same... (1)

Stradivarius (7490) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657905) iMac with a built-in urinal. Nifty idea. :-)

Re:Ha! (1)

Stradivarius (7490) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657906)

my PC has rounded corners :-p

And I really don't much resemblance between the lean looking Enterprise and the squat iMac. :)

Re:What's with this Apple bashing? (1)

Stradivarius (7490) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657907)

Actually, the non-opened-minded folks here on /. seem to fall into 2 categories:

1.) Apple bad, Linux good (the majority)
2.) Apple good, Linux bad (a minority)

I should also note that the skit wasn't really bashing Apple so much as Steve Jobs (at least, that's how it seemed to me). And Jobs isn't exactly Mr. Innocent, from all accounts he's an ass. Great marketer/"interim" CEO, certainly, but on a personal level he seems to act like a real ass at times. And so there are those who dislike Jobs for that reason (I admit to being among that group). There are also those who feel Apple is extremely misleading in its advertising, and who dislike Apple for that (yep, that's me too). And then there are those who feel that the OS, on a technical level, "sucks" (me again, though that very well may change if/when I get a chance to play with OS X). And then there are those who just like to bash Apple 'cause they think it's the cool thing to do (not me).

My point here is mainly that having a dislike for Apple and/or Mr. Jobs does not make one closed-minded. I personally can see some good things about Apple systems, as well as areas where they could improve. I wouldn't take the Apple jokes too seriously, most companies in the spotlight get them (witness the plethora of M$ jokes, those about Slowlaris, etc)

Re: nitpick: Visor (1)

tcs (8094) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657908)

Just picking a minor nit:

The Visor has a slot for SpringBoards, so it
does have the tinker factor. :)

Re:Kinda confused... (1)

dadams (9665) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657910)

A while ago, apple produced a powerbook with swapable inserts to change the look of the book. It was kinda neat.

"Kihei" looks good! (1)

RayChuang (10181) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657911)

If the rumor stated by Apple Insider is true, then Apple has finally addressed my biggest gripe about the iMac, namely the shortage of RAM and too small a hard drive.

With 64 to 128 MB of RAM and a 10 GB or larger hard drive, not to mention the incorporation of the ATI Rage 128 chipset, this means the new "Kihei" iMac's will finally have the computing power that will satisfy even demanding users. It'll be interesting to see how much Apple will price this machine.

Re:New Case Design (2)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657920)

Can't you see what's revolutionary about this new design?!?! It's a work of art! It'll warp the fabric of the universe!


It'll be years before the Wintel manufacturers can copy this Earth Shattering new technology.

Re:DVD Drive (2)

Geek In Training (12075) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657921)

The reason your CD gets hot in your car stereo is because they are cramming in a hundred or so watts of power amplification in with the CD mechanism, just to power the speakers. Try it out on a PC with a slot-load CD/DVD drive, it's cool, man.

nice try, but... (2)

jetson123 (13128) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657923)

It's nice that Apple is actually trying to go beyond square PC boxes running Windows.

But while an alternative is good, I personally don't like this particular alternative: I don't like the look, I don't like the pointing device or keyboard, and I don't like the software. Imagine Apple would take over the market and all computers would come in semi-transparent rounded lumps with trim in various colors. I'd find it pretty awful.

Oh, configs 2 and 3 (1)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657924)

Oops, I just saw Configutions 2 and 3. Config 2 comes in wrong color, and Config 3 will cost too much. Argh, it's frustrating to see Apple come sooo close and then blow it.

They need to make it cheap as possible (no DVD or firewire, smallest HD they can get, but include networking) and boring-looking yet attractive (i.e. grey), and it'll be ready to attack Wintel in the office. C'mon, Apple, go for it!

Have a Sloppy day!

With a few changes, it could rock. (2)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657925)

If they would

  1. Forget about the "5 flavors" and sell 'em in the same smokey grey as the new G4 minitowers
  2. Lose the DVD and use a cheap CD-ROM instead
Then this would be an excellent office machine and could go head-to-head with Wintel. Why doesn't Apple try to do this?!!? Don't they want the money?

OTOH, at least now that they are selling 'em with Rage-128 and DVD, they should be good machines for home use.

Have a Sloppy day!

It is just me (0)

Zerbey (15536) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657926)

...or does it still look like a waste paper basket?

Re:One of your wishes is granted (1)

webslacker (15723) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657927)

The new iMacs also come with a slot for an Airport card.

I think there's a reason for the ATI cards (1)

webslacker (15723) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657928)

I recall reading somewhere about how all ATI cards having some kind of color-calibration abilities that other cards don't. I suppose you can see that that would be very important to the publishing/multimedia professionals that the Powermacs are aimed towards.

Of course, even though that's the target audience of Powermac users, I'm pretty sure that most Powermac owners haven't used any sort of color calibration at all. If you really need gaming on a Mac, 3Dfx has announced that they've begun work on AGP cards for the G4's.

Being reasonable... (2)

Anonymous Shepherd (17338) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657930)

Has it's bonuses. If everyone is so contrary, then being reasonable gets you some karma points because, well, you're reasonable.

Not to abuse the system, but if the system encourages us to be reasonable, hey, that's good right?


Re: nitpick: Visor (2)

Anonymous Shepherd (17338) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657931)

Well yeah, in that case, the iMac has a USB port.

Not much tinkering, I think, as much as utility.

I concede your point, but just a little. If someone knows how to make and debug USB devices, they'd be able to play with the iMac as well.


More of the same... (3)

Anonymous Shepherd (17338) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657932)

And rumors at that!

Oh well.
I'd imagine, if I were Steve Jobs, which I am not, that the iiMac would include:

Video camera + mic for video conferencing, if we're going to try to push the internet concept.

Airport of course. Imagine video conferencing without the hassle of networking, wires, or setup?

Touch screen, of course! It's as natural as voice recognition, which will come with OS9. Point, tap, speak!

Voice recognition with OS9. Voice passwords and such.

People recognition. Not just powering up when you touch the keyboard or mouse, but when you move or sit down in front of the computer. Like those new men's urinals that require no hands to operate? It'd be nifty.

Anything else? There must be other people here who have ideas!


What's with this Apple bashing? (3)

Anonymous Shepherd (17338) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657933)

Just because you don't like iMacs?

What Apple seems to be doing is offering a *reasonable* configuration in an (my opinion) an attractive case with a useable OS.

The point is not configurability, which is what the B&W G4/G3s offer, but single-minded ease of use. Like a playstation or dreamcast. Unlike a home stereo system made of any number of components, wires, and boxes. Which can also be used to describe the modern PC.

Apple is targeting a market which doesn't value the tinker factor as much as it values the use and 'feel' factor.

Would you complain similarly of the Palm or Visor in how limited they are?


Re:Kinda confused... (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657937)

That's most likely Netscape's fault. :P

Communicator 4.61 is the most stable version I've used here on System 8.6, and 4.7 is due soon.

Still not as fast rendering pages as Netscape 3, but there ya go.


Re:Kinda confused... (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657938)

Um, do some research before you bitch, please :)
The RAGE 128 is the exact SAME card that's shipping in the G3/G4 series of Macs (less video memory, tho), so this is quite the upgrade for the iMac.
It'll make gaming MUCH more viable than the RAGE Pro line in the old ones.


Pretty cool.. (1)

billybob (18401) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657939)

Lookin solid. Having the "best" one would be really cool.. 400 g3, 128 ram, dvd, 13 gig hd, and the "graphite" case of the g4's.. Plus it's supposedly lighter and smaller now. I dont know about you folks, but I would love to have one of them :)
Let's just hope they can deliver the things on schedule.. when are they supposed to arrive anyways?

Re:What about...Yellow Dog Linux (2)

Shadow Knight (18694) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657940)

As the first comment sort of pointed out, yes, Yellow Dog Linux should run on these. It runs on current iMacs just fine. I don't know why one would believe it wouldn't... after all, USB keyboard and mouse support has been working for quite some time now. So, you're question is null, Yellow Dog Linux is an option.

Re:New Case Design (1)

fusion94 (19221) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657941)

I agree with you...the design appears to remain pretty much the same
as the old iMac but with the hardware upgrade they should perform a bit
better. My question to Apple is why not release a G4 version of the iMac ? Now that I would buy.

Re:Actually... (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657942)

Nonsense. Interface transfer speed is the least important specification on a drive. You STILL can't get 10,000 RPM IDE drives, which is what you need for real performance.

Re:Not for Nerds (2)

Gid1 (23642) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657943)

I'm writing a database and a functional language, and I just bought a Powerbook G3. So there. I'd never owned (or even used extensively) a Mac before, but I'm pleasantly surprised how far they've come on recently.

It's a pretty damn good machine at a reasonable price. It's now got an X server and GNU Emacs, so I'm happy. Once OS X comes out, we'll see a few more non-Mac users moving over.

Re:Kinda confused... (1)

osmac (24461) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657945)

Changing the looks cuts it for them people who like it if somebody comes into their apartment and say: "Cute, an iMac", or "Cool, a [blue/grey] G3/G4". Nobody says "cool" or "cute" about a beige miditower with TNT3 Ultra, Dual Pentium III 600, 512MB ram, SCSI-3 and whatever inside. The only way for those would be an 18'' TFT. Or a Sun Ultra 10, they look good too.

Trayless DVD-ROM Drive (3)

IntelliTubbie (29947) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657946)

Now iMacs are even more attractive to newbies: they won't make the embarrassing mistake of confusing the CD-ROM tray with a cupholder.

Tech-support professionals, rejoice!

Kinda confused... (2)

Hadean (32319) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657948)

First of all, why is five flavours (am I the only one that thinks of ice cream?) when it comes to the Better configuration, and only one for the others? I mean, you'd think the Best configuration would sport the most colours and such (is there actually any real difference in shape, etc. to make it so the Good and Best ones can't just use the other colours? I mean, a switch between DVD to CD or more RAM and what not isn't gonna change the chassis...)

Which brings me to another point, why for Good change the DVD to CD? I dunno about the States, but here in Canada (as a retailer) a good 6x/40x DVD is only $100 and a 48x CD is $80... What's 20 bucks when it comes to showcasing a great (?) computer? I mean, having a DVD and video-mirroring, albeit both not very useful at this moment for most normal folks, will more then luckily catch people... Ah well, maybe that's just me...

Being Canadian, I'm proud that ATI is the video card company for Apple (although I don't use any Apple computers), but the thing is, yes, ATI is a good company, but ATI Rage 128 is, I'm sorry to say, pretty behind the times now... Looking at the Mac Products on ATI's website, are we talking about the Nexus, Rage Orion or XCLAIM VR? I just hope its similar to ATI's Rage 128 Pro for the PC... *shrug*

Ah well, as it were, my opinion is that although they are cute, the iMacs and G*'s just don't seem like great computers (although they are, I know, but the looks make them seem otherwise)... And although they are great computers, I can still buy a comparable IBM PC and still get to use Photoshop and games for Windows and load up Linux whenever I feel like it... Until Apple comes out with something different (like they did oh so many years ago), changing the looks just doesn't cut it for me... FireWire, yes, was good.. but its obvious (good or bad) that USB is here to stay.. Anything else?

Re:DVD Drive (3)

rabidMacBigot() (33310) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657949)

IIRC, the reason the lens is in the tray is because the CDROM drive itself (along with the SODIMM RAM form factor, and much of the motherboard) in the original and current iMacs is basically the same as that of the PowerBook G3 series as a cost-saving measure. Of course, that still doesn't make an exposed-lens CDROM a good idea...

Re:What's with this Apple bashing? (1)

mattreilly (33603) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657950)

You are wasting your breath. The majority of people here on Slashdot don't discuss Apple with an open mind. Apple is bad, Linux is good. They remind me of gear heads defending their Fords at the expense of all Chevys, you can't change their minds.


Matthew Reilly

Counting Chickens (1)

1millionmhz (34257) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657951)

I wouldn't count on the AppleInsider specs as being the final word, or even expect the new iMac to come multiple variations. Steve Jobs has a deep burning hatred for the rumors sites and has been known to spread disinformation to them from time to time. the high-end "best" model described seems to conflict with the low end G4s at this point so I'm wary about that prediction actually coming to fuition.

Re:DVD Drive (1)

Red Knight (35944) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657953)

Have they corrected the problem of cds heating up in the trayless systems ? I know when ever I take a cd out of my car stereo its pretty hot.

Re:Not for Nerds (1)

xeelee (36139) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657954)

Hey. I'm a research molecular biologist. can't get much more nerdy than that. And i just *love* that apple stuff. Crazy company, crazy guys. Ain't that right gang? Now if only they'd hurry up and deliver my damn iBook. The swine!

Re:nice try, but... (1)

HerrNewton (39310) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657956)

I admit, the keyboard really bites, but the mouse isn't so terrible bad. It's quite small, being only about 1.5" in diamter. The mouse is very smooth and light to the touch, making it easy to use with your fingertips instead of your whole hand. I actually like it more than my tradational Apple mouse.

Re:New Case Design (1)

HerrNewton (39310) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657957)

The other posts didn't quite nail it. The reason there isn't a G4 iMac is rather simple--the iMac is a machine targeted at the consumer market and, hence, gets the smaller, slower, less expensive (and cooler) chip.

Re:Kinda confused... (1)

porkchop_d_clown (39923) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657958)

He Does have his facts straight. The Rage 128 Pro is the replacement for the Rage 128. And yes the rage 128 is a major disappointment for gamers. It would have been a faboo card if it had been released in 98, in 99 it's mediocre and the PC drivers suck. I wish I'd bought a Voodoo 3500.


Re:Kinda confused... (0)

Hard_Code (49548) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657962)

Whereas I may say "cute" about an imac, I definately would say "cool" about a TNT3 Ultra Dual PIII 600, 512 ram, scsi, etc.

Speaking of "cute"/"cool" Macs...OS 8.blah has been getting a lot of hype...supposed to be more stable, more this, more that (yes, it does look nice and that theming is sorta sophisticated)...but I was just using one of these nice blue G3 boxen the other day, had Netscape and a telnet client and a text editor opened...and I Quit Netscape and the whole thing just locked up completely. Not so much as an error message. This was like 5 minutes after I booted it. Of course this is all entirely subjective and I can't guarantee the state of the hardware, etc., but that the computer just absolutely locked (not like it doesn't happen in windows, but at least only after some fair amount of screwing around)...?

Re:Please stop bashing the iMac. (1)

quadong (52475) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657963)

Shame on the moderator, this is NOT flamebait, perhaps you don't agree with it, but that is not the same thing. Find something better to do with your points.

Re:Ha! (1)

tak amalak (55584) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657964)

Borg cubes are squares with sharp corners. Like PC cases...
The iMac is lake the starship Enterprise, and the new G4 is like a Klingon bird of prey. ;)

Re:Please stop bashing the iMac. (1)

tak amalak (55584) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657965)

I think he meant post-script...

Re:What about flatpanels? (1)

snubber1 (56537) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657966)

Well, Apple has recently switched from SCSI to IDE on most of their models, as IDE has gotten faster. Macs also have pci slots, as some High-end hardware is compatable with both systems.


Re:nice try, but... (1)

snubber1 (56537) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657967)

One thing you do have to rember about the Macintosh train-of-thought is that mac users are *alot* less intrested in taking apart their computers and tinkering around with them. It would drive many typical PC users crazy if they couldn't tear their system apart whenever they feel the need. Those 'translucent rounded lumps' are perfect for someone who only needs functionallity with the least bit of hassle.

Bear in mind that you will find Macs that are still in use after a decade or more of service. The are often purchased for one purpose, and can serve the same function for year to come.

The only market for these 'lumps' in the PC world is users who want the simplicity in hardware and don't use the computer for any productive application, thereby runing a Windows PC.



DVD Drive (2)

snubber1 (56537) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657968)

Didn't the previous I-Mac have the lens in the tray, similar to many laptop cd drives? If so, a trayless drive would be great improvement. I'm sure there is nothing worse than scratching the hell out of the lens on your shiny new computer's dvd drive.


Re:Please stop bashing the iMac. (1)

EverCode (60025) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657970)

Hell yeah! That is the way to tell them!

Even though the iMac is no great computer underneath its cool looking skin, it has sold like hot-cakes. That should be enough to shut you nerds up, but no, you are still too stupid to figure it out.

Believe me, if I can respect the newbie, than so can you.


No schedule yet (1)

Gorimek (61128) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657971)

Officially, these things do not exist. So, naturally, there are no official plans to release them.

If Apple really can't get enough G4 CPUs, I guess they have more capacity to build iMacs, so it may go fast.

Gateway's short neck (1)

cetan (61150) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657972)

We have these gateway machines here at work. They are TFT display PC's basicly. Floppy drive, CDROM, AMD K6, speakers etc. all built into the flatscreen monitor. Kinda cool, just not very fast (at least ours are not). It's called the Gateway Profile PC [] . Right now they are only in our training rooms. Good space saver, but that's about it IMHO :)

iMac with a built-in urinal. (1)

sheppard (66428) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657974)

what u need my friend is an ibook :)

Yep. (1)

EXpunk (66988) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657975)

You are the only one that looks like a waste paper basket.


Re:Counting Chickens (1)

FaRuvius (69578) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657976)

Add a monitor to that 1000.00 and you've got a similar price......

A little skit from Apple HQ (1)

geekfuzz (71255) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657977)

The Scene... A long line of Mac users in front of Steve Jobs' desk, who is personally handing out all of the new iMacs.

Jobs: "Here is your pre-configured box. We've decided everything that you might possibly need. You may change the configuration at your mortal peril. Give me $1500, and leave."

Buyer: "Why, thank you sir! I have been blessed. All praise the intellectual force that is Herr Jobs! I will worship this sickly colored box forever! I will praise its merits to the ends of the Earth!"

Jobs: "Next!"

Buyer#2: Smiling ear-to-ear "It's an honor to meet you, Mr. Jobs. I have a ques..ques...question." Loses his smile "Could I get my iMac in"

Jobs stares coldly at the young man, their icy gaze grabbing the buyer about the throat. Then, Jobs laughes loud and hard. The young man seems to relax, smiling again, looking sure of himself in the praise of his idol. With a flick of his wrist, Jobs releases the trapdoor under the poor fool's feet, his screams as he falls silenced only by the dull thud of the trapdoor locking shut.

Jobs: "Next!"

Re:New Design (1)

dbrutus (71639) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657978)

I see, trayless DVD, 2x AGP, Airport, better monitor, Firewire, all this reduced to the addition of a new color.

Since Intel is doing its best to kill Firewire, it will indeed be years before the drones in the clone world get the guts to buck Andy Grove and make Firewire standard on the motherboard.

How does it feel to be left behind (once again) at the multimedia revolution.


Re:Just one more thing needed... (1)

dbrutus (71639) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657979)

There is a company that is offering free iMacs now based on a 3 year subscription. The market model will continue to be offered on both mac and wintel consumer machines.


Compatibility without compromising users (2)

dbrutus (71639) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657980)

After being beaten about for years, Apple transitions much of its hardware over to PC specs in order to be more compatible and drive down user costs. Now the complaints come that Apple is doing what users have demanded of them. Frankly, I'm glad that Apple was sensible enough to adopt decent technical standards that don't compromise the user experience that Apple promises (think ISA and MFM that Apple stayed away from). If only Intel would show the same sense and adopt Firewire support on their motherboards. After all, they are in the patent pool but noooo! Intel is pushing USB 2.0 which might, after several years, achieve the throughput that Firewire has today. TML

Re:Linux zealotry, and iMacs (2)

dbrutus (71639) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657981)

You can also run Darwin on the little beasties.

Yup, open source mac software, who woulda thunk it.


Actually... (1)

Panamon777 (78286) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657982)

Macs have had PCI since the introduction of the Power Macintosh back in the early-mid 90's. IDE was introced in low-end power macs, and developments in IDE technology made it fast enough to be the main drive on G3 systems. Current ATA/66 drives can put a whoopin' on most SCSI drives; only ultra-wide drives can beat its transfer rates.

Re:Counting Chickens (1)

gig (78408) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657983)

Yeah, but which one is better in a reception area, or in a POS install? You see a lot of iMacs in those places because they're small, attractive, are easily networked, and most of all they're easy for newbies to use. Firewire, DVD and video mirroring, makes it a great machine for running multimedia presentations, and its looks will count in that respect as well. Hot plug a Firewire hard drive and you're ready to do a presentation.

Nobody's suggesting that businesses worldwide are going to replace all their beige boxes with graphite iMacs, but businesses are using this "home" computer more and more already, so a fully-loaded graphite one seems like Apple just responding to their needs.

Re:Please stop bashing the iMac. (1)

Zagato-sama (79044) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657985)

Yeah well what do you expect from "Linuxdot, news for Linux users, nobody else matters" Heaven forbid we get some hardware news where Linux isn't mentioned, where NT and Win 9x is not bashed, and where someone doesn't scream "GPL or Die!" Not every computer user has to be a part fiddling geek, or a Linux using know-it-all, an iMac is designed for people who are new to computers and want something that looks neat. If you're of the mentality where everything has to run Linux and have the latest in TNT video card 1 gig ram overclocked celeron covered with that ultra cool WWII plane heatsink well.. surprise, there are computer users out there who don't care about that stuff. Don't like it? Move on.

Re:Trayless DVD-ROM Drive - But worse... (2)

G-Man (79561) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657987)

Well, imagine the belly laugh I got watching a local newscast one day: The police dept. of a town was giving away free copies of content filtering software for concerned parents (I don't remember if it was NetNanny, CyberSitter, whatever.)

After giving the obligatory "Protecting the Children" spiel, the not-so-tech-savvy officer proceeded to insert the CD-ROM into the 5" *floppy* slot on the ancient IBM clone in their office. He starts to flip the lever to lock down the "disk", but the scene cut just as you could see the first signs of resistance.

Made my whole day. Just wish I could see the out takes, though...

Re:Cheap, not sexy.. (0)

TummyX (84871) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657988)

I thought apple was into selling high quality new stuff not matter the price (apple is hardly cheap comapred to PCs - even now). Not hashed, mostly PC hardware with a unique case *like that matters*.

What about flatpanels? (1)

TummyX (84871) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657989)

I'd rather have one of the new flatpanel tiny PCs coming from NEC and the likes.

Is it just me or is apple using PC hardware now?

Re:Please stop bashing the iMac. (1)

KaosDG (85348) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657990)

s/he meant ps, as in the unix term to list processes...
ps -a

Ha! (2)

Kitsune Sushi (87987) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657993)

"As rumored in previous reports, the entire custom system software pack is indeed code-named "Borg." "

Do I really have to explain why I think this is funny..?

To take on a more "conventional" definition.. I always thought those pesky iMacs looked like they were built by space aliens..

But will it smell? (2)

JoeShmoe (90109) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657994)

Graphite...hmm...I never knew the name for that color until now.

I find it amusing that the only color with the odor problem is the only color not named after fruit...I guess they didn't want any "Rotting Apple" nicknames...

I suppose it's okay for minerals to stink, but if that is how grey Graphite smells, I'm gonna run like hell if I ever see a bright-yellow iMac sitting on someone's desk...=\

My $1.00 - $0.98, not necessarily yours.

- JoeShmoe

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Re:Trayless DVD-ROM Drive - But worse... (2)

JoeShmoe (90109) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657995)

Um, if you think user's confusing CD-ROM trays for cupholders is a bad...wait until you start getting calls from people who think Apple is finally putting floppy drives in iMacs.

I work in an all-Compaq shop and a couple years ago, Compaq used tray-less CD-ROMs in all their Deskpro 2000 models. I loved them because finally I could orient my computer in any position and not have to fiddle with tabs or grooves.

But then I started getting calls from users who would stick pretty much any removable media made after 1982 into the blank, label-less slot and the cost to continually swap out damaged drives just wasn't worth it.

I mean, trays are annoying to some, but to the target audience of the iMac, only a CD/DVD will fit in the 5" depression on a CD/DVD-ROM tray so you only have to worry about it being right side up and the user education is over.

Again, my $1.00 - $0.98 and not necessarily yours...

- JoeShmoe

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Re:Kinda confused... (2)

JoeShmoe (90109) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657996)

I honestly saw this move coming. Having these different colors is really impractical. Black and purple are clearly the "in" colors right now yet you hardly seen any products that them. The result is that no one is happy since customers can't get enough purple iMacs and retailers are not selling computers simply based on their style.

What would be a smarter idea is for Apple et. al. to make cases where the colored parts are removable and made out of a white, permeable plastic. Then, include some dye packs and let the user find the exact shade that pleased them. I know some people suggest spray paint, but that only really works for metal cases that you can sand down and put on a primer. Paint on plastic just peels off so dyeable plastic is really the best solution.

I think eventually Apple will have a color for each major model line and try to stick the most "elite" colors (purple and black) on the most expensive hardware. IE, if you pay toy prices it will look like a toy.

And regarding the CD/DVD, don't forget that you are shopping for one, generic, PC drive and Apple is trying to find thousands of drives that are all compatible and will work with their cases's form factor. Pricing changes drastically as the number get larger but it's more probably that Apple simply doesn't have enough DVD drives to put in ALL the iMac models whereas they have a surplus of CD drives.

- JoeShmoe

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Re:Kinda confused... (1)

frankie (91710) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657998)

I mean, you'd think the Best configuration would sport the most colours and such

Nah. Two colors would be plenty for "Best" -- blueberry (for fun folk) & graphite (for the serious). The low end machine should only be blueberry, to encourage up-buying if you really want tangerine...

a good 6x/40x DVD is only $100 and a 48x CD is $80... What's 20 bucks

Not quite. The low end machine can use the current iMac CD mechanism, which costs Apple much less than $80 and definitely more than $20 savings over DVD.

I just hope its similar to ATI's Rage 128 Pro for the PC... *shrug*

90% likely that Apple will use either Rage LT Pro [] or Rage 128 Pro. The current iMac uses basically the same motherboard as the current PowerBook G3. The new iMac will probably borrow a current unified board design with AGP -- Sawtooth (128) or iBook (LT).

Re:Trayless DVD-ROM Drive - But worse... (1)

artemis67 (93453) | more than 15 years ago | (#1657999)

It shouldn't cost Compaq or Apple anything to swap out the drive in such a scenario, as inflicting damage on the unit should void the warranty. Unless, of course, the Compaq warranty allows for Acts of Clod...

Re:Counting Chickens (1)

artemis67 (93453) | more than 15 years ago | (#1658000)

The problem is, most businesses don't want a fruity-colored computer, so the Graphite is probably an attempt to get the iMac in some corporate environments.

However, you can get a fully-loaded 400 mhz Dell Dimension for around $1000, so Apple does need to sell a complete system for around that price. Unfortunately, I think the Graphite "Best" system is going to be around $1300.

Re:Counting Chickens (1)

artemis67 (93453) | more than 15 years ago | (#1658001)

Actually, that is with a monitor. I just bought 5 of them almost 2 months ago.

Re:Kinda confused... (2)

artemis67 (93453) | more than 15 years ago | (#1658002)

First of all, why is five flavours (am I the only one that thinks of ice cream?) when it comes to the Better configuration, and only one for the others?

It's called "upselling"; if you're looking at a "Good" configuration, but you'd really like to have it in Tangerine, then you start thinking about buying a "Better" iMac configuration.

The "Best" comes in Graphite because it's probably intended for office environments where a Strawberry iMac would seem out of place. If businesses pay a little more, they get the conservative color.

What about... (0)

_neo (94887) | more than 15 years ago | (#1658011)

Who really gives a fudge about these thingies as long as MkLinux/YellowDog isn't an option ??

Linux zealotry, and iMacs (0)

Mister Attack (95347) | more than 15 years ago | (#1658013)

I hate to have to keep pointing this out to you people, but the target market for iMacs (mainly home users who want to get on the Internet) could care less about the availability of Linux for their machines. Some of you just don't seem to realize that a LOT of computer folk want an OS that is easy to use, even if that means sacrificing speed and stability. My point is that the vast majority of iMac buyers don't want to touch Linux, and the ones that do can either go for a blue and white G3 (or G4, soon) or run LinuxPPC. That's right, children: MkLinux doesn't work on iMacs, but LinuxPPC (i'm reasonably certain) does. So, in short:

1)most iMac buyers don't want Linux

2)those that do can use LinuxPPC

Just my $0.02

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