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leaked (4, Funny)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#16783875)

Leaked in 3 2 1..

Anyone else miss read? (0, Redundant)

Timberwolf0122 (872207) | more than 7 years ago | (#16783885)

Thought it said "Windows Vista Release Malfunctioning", can't imagin why I would of thought that....

Good to go? (5, Funny)

klogg_siebentag (652321) | more than 7 years ago | (#16783887)

Woohoo, Vista is here! It must be 2003 already! Oh wait...

Norton Antivirus? (2, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 7 years ago | (#16783891)

Have Symantec solved their issues with Microsoft? If not, be prepared for an even louder rant from Symantec. Adobe should also watch out. For me, I doubt I will touch this Vista thingie anytime soon. Windows 2K and Xandros are still doing OK for me.

CNN !=CNET (5, Informative)

SNR monkey (1021747) | more than 7 years ago | (#16783931)

Amazingly, the summary has an error, the link is to a CNET article, not a CNN article. It doesn't make much sense for CNN to be covering the RTM of an operating system.

New Features (1)

Chayak (925733) | more than 7 years ago | (#16783947)

Remember it's not a bug, it's a feature...

where is... (5, Funny)

cucucu (953756) | more than 7 years ago | (#16783965)

the torrent of the .iso image?

Re:CNN !=CNET (1)

Prophetic_Truth (822032) | more than 7 years ago | (#16783997)

orly?

CNN article [cnn.com]

Re:CNN !=CNET (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784009)

hmmmm try again:
Yes there is an error, but why shouldn't CNN cover the completion of Vista [cnn.com]

Slash just eaten my comment.
how bizarre, it exists but its not in the threadtree.

C'mon! (-1, Redundant)

Fyz (581804) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784011)

Torrent, please?

Re:CNN !=CNET (1)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784029)

CNN coverage [cnn.com]

You are mistaken sir, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784031)

2003 was the release date of Duke Nukem Forever, which we already all played to the bone.

Re:CNN !=CNET (1)

Prophetic_Truth (822032) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784033)

orly?
CNN Article [cnn.com]

WTF?? (4, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784035)

How did the guy who tags all the other articles "itsatrap" miss this one?

Is slash turning into Digg? (1, Offtopic)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784043)

Top level comments only?

Its just eaten 2 comments, well they exist in my history but not in the flow.
There is a gremlin in the database.

Re:Norton Antivirus? (1)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784047)

"For me, I doubt I will touch this Vista thingie anytime soon."

I suspect a lot of people fall into this category. However, as soon as it launches, anyone buying a new PC is going to get it rammed down their throats whether they want it or not. If you turn off most/all of the eye candy, it's much like XP, but it comes with all that mess turned on by default.

Cheers,

50/50 (1)

4solarisinfo (941037) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784059)

Only here on slashdot could a new OS get POUNDED (appropriately so) and still have everyone asking for a copy...

Re:where is... (1)

JPDeckers (559434) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784063)

Given the fact that MSDN is now displaying a "MSDN Subscriber Downloads Service Outage Notification" for 7:00PM to 9:00PM Pacific time, Friday, November 10, 2006, I guess you'll just have to wait one more day

Has to be said (-1, Offtopic)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784081)

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

Re:CNN !=CNET (1)

SNR monkey (1021747) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784083)

Well, I guess CNN did cover [cnn.com] the RTM of Vista, my mistake. The article I found was a little lacking on details though.

Only missed deadline by a few days... (1)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784089)

Does anyone else find it funny that after all the delays to Vista, the RTM was delayed by like 2 weeks? I mean, they "launch" to major businesses at month's end, I'm glad they're getting the code out a bit before the launch.

Who broke slashdot!? (-1, Troll)

Prophetic_Truth (822032) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784105)

I suspect Cowboy Neal

Overheard (5, Funny)

rootnl (644552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784107)

It compiles! Ship it!!

How soon for a zero day hack? or is it a feature? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784109)

How doon before zero day hacks? mailto:ITGAdmin.Prod@sherwin.com [mailto]

Re:leaked (1)

leonmergen (807379) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784111)

Leaked in 3 2 1..

As far as I'm told, this is the same release as RC2, which has already been leaked.. :)

Last version of Windows (4, Interesting)

CrazyTalk (662055) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784119)

With each release Windows becomes more bloated and bug ridden, and it takes more time for a release. For the avearage consumer, computer OS's have reached maturity - there is really very little motivation for the average user to upgrade from XP to Vista (unlike going from DOS to Windows 3.1, or Windows 3.1 to Win 95 etc. which were huge changes). How much longer can this continue? Is anyone else convinced that this will be the last version of Windows as we know it?

You remind me why I don't use Windows. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784147)

Your post reminds me of one of the main reasons I don't use Windows: I don't want to deal with companies like Microsoft, Symantec, McAfee and Adobe.

My data is too valuable to become victim to the insecure software of Microsoft. My time is too valuable to be wasted trying to clear my system of malware.

My system's performance is too important to be hindered by anti-virus software, be it from Symantec, McAfee, or any other anti-virus software vendor.

I also do not want to use crash-prone software like Adobe Acrobat Reader, which often takes down the web browser when using it as plugin to view PDFs online.

I know there are many alternatives for the products put out by the big name companies. But again, I don't want to spend hours tracking down this software, and then dealing with any installation problems. That's why I use NetBSD [netbsd.org] . Between its solid core, excellent development team and pkgsrc [pkgsrc.org] , I can get easy and fast access to all of the software I need. And I don't need to install performance-degrading anti-virus software, nor do I worry about malware infections. Best of all, it just plain works.

Re:WTF?? (1)

Apocalypse111 (597674) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784157)

Its not just a "guy" who tags these things as traps... its a highly trained team of crack evaluation-monkeys, and they don't act until they've all had a chance to read the article and discuss amongst themselves (an ugly process involving the much poo-flinging and the occasional sex act) whether or not it is, indeed, a trap.

In other words.... (1)

Rixel (131146) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784161)

"until the first round of patching begins."

AKA Vista 2008

Tagspam (1, Informative)

Fyz (581804) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784165)

Someone is either seriously paranoid or is abusing his right to tag the summaries.

What's the point with those tags anyway? Are they mini-posts or what? They certainly can't be used for searching...

Re:Last version of Windows (1)

fruey (563914) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784179)

I never had any motivation to upgrade to XP until I discovered that hardware I had bought (with Win2K drivers) didn't actually work in Win2K. So I upgraded, and it worked.

Of course, it being a USB digital TV dongle (for DVB free transmissions), I was asking for trouble.

Vista won't run on anything I own right now, so I won't be rushing out to buy it / download it / whatever.

Time to milk the cash cow (4, Insightful)

GomezAdams (679726) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784183)

And by SP2 all the older Office apps will be crippled forcing an upgrade to the Vista Office suite. Just think of the billions of dollars taken out of the world wide economy that could have been spent on REAL business improvements.

Is it Vista or Vista? (1)

AnXa (936517) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784195)

I'm having good vista out of my window...

Yes, but (5, Funny)

wumpus188 (657540) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784201)

will Linus send them a cake?

Re:Only missed deadline by a few days... (1)

linuxci (3530) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784221)

The real deadline was to beat Duke Nukem Forever, as they achieved that all the Vista team get huge bonuses. Now Microsoft really does have an OS fit for 2004 that needs 2007 standard hardware.

Anybody Else Tired of Hearing This: (4, Insightful)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784223)

From TFA:

Ultimately, we never could have achieved this milestone without you, the enthusiast community, who have played a key role in making this the highest-quality, most secure, most reliable and most usable version of Windows the world has ever seen.

Really? If each new release of Windows is marketed as the highest-quality, most secure, most reliable and most usable version of Windows then why has each new release of Windows had more security patches released than the previous version?

Just look at the amount of holes that have been plugged since XP SP2 was released. The heck with waiting for Vista SP1, I'm telling my clients to steer clear of Vista all together until Microsoft stops releasing patches to new vulnerabilities found in XP.

Re:CNN !=CNET (1)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784249)

It doesn't make much sense for CNN to be covering the RTM of an operating system.

Nevertheless, it's currently linked [cnn.com] from their front page under the "technology" section.

Re:New Features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784267)

Oh, what, a FOSS zealot got mad?

Re:where is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784275)

Check Mininova.org tomorrow

Re:WTF?? (1)

Rixel (131146) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784283)

hmmm....

itsatrap

its a trap

Vista trap

Forgot the 'V'

Remember kids... (4, Funny)

Yuioup (452151) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784297)

... every time you install Vista a penguin loses its wings.

Y

Somebody knock on Taco's door to fix threads (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784303)

Slashdot is pretty useless without being able to see the comment threads.

And there's no bug report about it on the Sourceforge page either --- somebody with an SF account please post one there!

Re:In other words.... (1)

klogg_siebentag (652321) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784315)

aka December 2006

Re:Anybody Else Tired of Hearing This: (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784319)

> I'm telling my clients to steer clear of Vista all together until Microsoft stops releasing patches
> to new vulnerabilities found in XP.

They have stopped releasing patches. It'll be just incremental updates from now on.

Re:where is... (1)

ramunas (771197) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784343)

you could try to find it here [thepiratebay.org]

Re:Last version of Windows (1)

GreatDrok (684119) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784349)

"Is anyone else convinced that this will be the last version of Windows as we know it?"

It certainly should be but I don't know if MS has the balls that it takes to drop the entire OS and start again. What I expect will happen is that they will keep retreading this tired old crossply of an OS until it finally blows. In our company we treat Windows as a second place OS now. All workers have a copy of Windows running under VMware on their workstations but it is really relegated to running MS Office and a few other Windows only apps. Everything else is Linux or OS X depending on their preference. Windows Vista isn't even on our radar.

Re:Yes, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784389)

And does the cake run Linux?

Re:In other words.... (1)

Rixel (131146) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784395)

Or....

wait for it

ReVisit8

not perfect, but let the linux marketing fanboys play a bit and I guarantee there's a meme in there

The tagging (5, Insightful)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784397)

Seriously, the tagging is rapidly dissolving into childish rubbish (even by Slashdot's standards). I'm fed up of seeing every story getting tagged with "itsatrap". Can it be removed or can the lameness filter be extended to the tags?

Re:Last version of Windows (1)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784409)

Just replace the word Windows any other OS name in your article.

Re:WTF?? (1)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784411)

I'm tagging this one "manybothansdiedtobringusthisinformation" instead.

Interesting counter point (2, Interesting)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784421)

The other day, MS was trying to convince business to install both Vista and Office 2007 at the same time saying it would be easier on companies. If you read this article, MS basically provides a counter point why companies should not:

Allchin said that, with Vista code done, businesses will "now start hard-core deployment testing" and make sure their applications work with the operating system. . . .
"Businesses need to do their testing. They need to be very comfortable," he said.

Given MS long history of releases and patches and patches to fix patches, only fools would not take on two simultaneous large scale MS deployments at once.

Re:CNN !=CNET (1)

SecretAsianMan (45389) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784429)

Amazingly, the summary has an error, the link is to a CNET article, not a CNN article. It doesn't make much sense for CNN to be covering the RTM of an operating system.

Think again:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/ptech/11/08/windows.v ista.ap/index.html [cnn.com]

I also heard about it on NPR during the commute this morning.

hrm (0, Offtopic)

thejrwr (1024073) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784451)

I know! lets install vista into R2-D2 [ya.com]

I predict.... (3, Insightful)

Trelane (16124) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784473)

Stunning profits as soon as it's pre-installed on millions of PCs worldwide.

Disappointed (4, Funny)

HikingStick (878216) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784483)

I saw the news piece in a headline on CNN.com. It read "Vista is done." I was sorely disappointed when I read that "done" meant finished rather than "done for," "kaput," or "ain't gonna happen."

Well, it was a pleasant dream while it lasted...

wow! (2, Interesting)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784541)

2003 is already here! This is going to rock! [youtube.com] . Funny how conan is still singing about the year 2000. Silly conan.

Re:Has to be said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784545)

...By the ragging hormones of young females lawyers, horny at the tought of sue you..., hey, this is a porn site!

Re:CNN !=CNET (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784549)

It doesn't make much sense for CNN to be covering the RTM of an operating system.


Funny you should say that.

CNN story [cnn.com] .

fu34. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784571)

Offen3ed some

Re:Remember kids... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784577)

And every time you use NTFS or EXT3 Reiser kills a woman.

Re:Is slash turning into Digg? (1)

Jerom (96338) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784579)

[off topic]

Strange,

I'm just trying to reply

J.

Re:Is slash turning into Digg? (1)

Jerom (96338) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784619)

Sure enough it does not seem to work any more

Re:The tagging (1)

mackertm (515083) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784627)

It's a trap!

Seriously, I agree. While the first time or two I saw that tag pop up (when it was relevant), it was funny/useful. Now it's on EVERY article. I suppose that's the problem of user tagging of content combined with groupthink.

I'm waiting for the final. (3, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784635)

Or, in MS terms, "Service Pack 2".

XP? Y'all from the future? (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784639)

I'm a power user and developer, and I can't see a compelling reason to upgrade from Win2K Pro. Any suggestions?

Tripping The Light Vistastic (-1, Offtopic)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784641)

Whistler and Blackcomb are the names of two mountains popular with the powderhounds, while nestled at the foot of Whistler is the Longhorn Saloon and Grill. Thus, Longhorn was considered a place where you stop, take a break and refresh after Whistler, before you tackle Blackcomb.

If a "dopefiend" is somebody who smokes a lot of cannabis, is a "powderhound" someone who takes a lot of cocaine?

Does this therefore mean that before tackling Whistler and Blackcomb, you need to out of your skull on drugs? With Longhorn being an intervening stop to take a sh*t and snort up another line?

In which case, I fail to see what this has to do with the world's favourite operating system... oh wait...

Re:Last version of Windows (1)

DerGeist (956018) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784649)

Yes and no. The concept of an "operating system" is becoming increasingly outmoded as everything moves to internet applications. Probably we'll see the internet becoming more tightly integrated -- we'll all own "hubs" that connect to the 'net and suck our computing power from somewhere else. Most things will be web-based, making our dumb terminals cheap and just about everywhere. Appliances, too, will be connected allowing complete control over our homes remotely and within the home. (Cue the "self-aware" and SkyNet jokes...)

But, seriously, Microsoft's worst enemy and toughest competition has always been previous versions of Microsoft products. Word, Excel, and the like haven't changed much in quite some time save for esoteric features 99% of the population doesn't even know about. Same with Windows, lots of people run 2000 and they're just fine. Obviously the adoption of any new Windows OS isn't going to be immediate and overwhelming; it takes time as people purchase new computers with Vista preinstalled and games begin demanding Vista only (just as they began demanding 2000 only, etc.). Windows OSs always creep into popularity rather than becoming overnight successes. I myself didn't like XP and really didn't think I'd ever upgrade, but eventually I found myself liking it more and more and finally moved over entirely. It's great; I like the stability and performance it provides. It took some time, however, before my PCs were up to the challenge. I feel the same will eventually be true of Vista and the hardware requirements we're all so worried about will, again, fade away. Microsoft likely put high requirements on purpose to ensure the operating system has a decent lifecycle. Like buying a shirt that's too big for a child since they'll "grow into it" anyway.

Re:Last version of Windows (1)

archen (447353) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784693)

Unfortunately with the move to 64 bit multi-core cpus, they still have some slack. I recall people saying that the windows 2000 codebase was far to large for anyone to manage. Then they tacked even more crap on with XP. And now Vista... Hardware wise I think they can go for another 1-2 iterations. Management wise... I'm not sure. And I think that's where the entire thing is going to collapse if they haven't figured this out. Windows will become too much code to manage at some point, and I think it's getting pretty close now.

Congratulations (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784697)

Congratulations to all at Microsoft for getting Vista out of the door. Heard the good news this morning at the EVO Roadshow in Bristol, United Kingdom. Just thought I'd post the first non-insulting message, that's all.

Re:WTF?? (1)

halfnerd (553515) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784717)

There, fixed it.

This will keep going forever (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784745)

Not because we need the new features or the new gadgets, but because MS will not implement (and now won't allow to implement) drivers for new hardware, and they will stop patching bugs and security holes in old software. In short: They drop support, so you have to upgrade.

Look at NT4.0. Basically, unless you're fond of games, this is all you really needed. Unless you want to use USB sticks. Because there is no (official) USB support for NT4.

Win2k. Even if you're into games, this is all you would ever need. Unfortunately even the worst security bugs ain't being fixed anymore for this system. So you can use it... and be a spam chucker because some holes will never be fixed.

WinXP. Now, could you ask for any MORE flashing lights and convenience? Is there anything missing? Well, there will be, because there will be no DirectX 10 for XP, and games will sooner or later requre DX10 or refuse to run.

So in a nutshell, no, there is no imminent need to switch to a new system. MS creates that need.

Re:The tagging (1)

archen (447353) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784747)

Maybe what they need are "tag moderators". Like the moderation system, some people are elected to be allowed to tag. Then everyone is allowed to meta-moderate those tags.

Re:Somebody knock on Taco's door to fix threads (1)

UncleRage (515550) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784753)

Filters: One Line = None

Refresh, or if truly impatient (and on a slow connection), click one line link afterwards to expand.

Re:New Features?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784771)

No, it is not a feature, it's a trap!

Re:Last version of Windows (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784793)

No.

By saying that Windows is finished, you are also, by extension, saying that computers are finished.

And that's just not so. Hardware is still more difficult than it should be to configure, and software still crashes. I still don't have a flying car, and my games are not photorealistically rendered with real depth in the air in around me.

Really, now. Saying that Windows is finished is like saying that the Internet is complete. That cars are done. That there is nothing left to learn about medicine. Or spaceflight. Or whatever.

It's absurd.

Where's a good history (3, Informative)

jbengt (874751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784795)

"CNN has a good roundup of Vista's long development history" links to CNET, and doesn't have a history of what became Vista.

Re:Congratulations (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784797)

But you're just a bunch of carrot-chompers around Bristol way...

We take you lot seriously when you talk about tractors or next year's cabbage harvest, not operating systems. :-)

Re:Last version of Windows (1)

davegravy (1019182) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784799)

There are many examples of consumer electronics that have reached maturity which people buy new models of simply due to marketing and the fact that they're newer. Vista doesn't have to do anything new for it to sell, there's an expectation that newer is improved. Just make it look nicer, and maybe use some new shiny retail packaging.

RC1 avalible for download (legally) (1)

@madeus (24818) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784807)

You joke, but you can actually download the ISO [microsoft.com] of RC1 freely from Microsoft (without having to jump through lots of hoops - assuming you have a Passport [MSN/Hotmail/X-Box Live] account already, or don't mind creating one). You need to give your details to get a licence key (which is immediately presented, and emailed to you for good measure), and you can use it on up to 10 PC's.

You must apply for a licence before November 30th to get a serial number though! If you do purchase it you can upgrade to the full release (i.e. you won't have to wipe your existing install). I actually think that's pretty cool. It makes me wonder why - as far as I can tell - you can't just 'unlock it' on line by paying for it with a credit card (the way I buy most of my Windows games now - e.g. through Stream or from similar systems like EA Downloader). I would expect that to cut down casual piracy amoung lazy people who can't be bothered to work out how to get round the 'activation/validation' that's increasingly required.

See http://slashdot.org/tags (1)

cmdrbuzz (681767) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784813)

What's the point with those tags anyway? Are they mini-posts or what? They certainly can't be used for searching...

Have a look at http://slashdot.org/tags [slashdot.org]

Not that I agree with the idiots that are spamming the tags...

Re:Remember kids... (1)

Valdoran (887940) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784817)

Oh no, then they can't fly anymore!

So they finally... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784825)

got their photocopier running at full speed? Took their time, too.

When Googling For More News On This.... (5, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784863)

...please make sure you get your spelling correct.

"Widows Fister" brings up completely different stuff...

Re:Remember kids... (1)

IflyRC (956454) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784881)

Good!

Re:Last version of Windows (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784891)

Is anyone else convinced that this will be the last version of Windows as we know it?

If they have any sense they will realize that the idea of completely rewriting everything from the ground up each time is just dumb. Much more sensible to do it the way Apple does - a big incremental upgrade each year.

Of course, Microsoft's problem has been that they've had to completely rewrite because their code has been so crappy. Hopefully the vista code isn't crappy, and so in that sense you're probably right - this is the last version of Windows. From now on they'll be just regular incremental upgrades, if Microsoft has any sense.

Re:Yes, but (1)

macs4all (973270) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784897)

No, but Steve Jobs will!

Re:Anybody Else Tired of Hearing This: (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784899)

Being the most secure, most reliable and mose usable version of Windows is like being the fastest one legged marathon runner.

I mean, this is said like it's some kind of achivement. Of course Vista is more secure and stable, or at least it better be! MS be damned if it isn't! That's to be expected. I do also expect a 2006 BMW to be more secure, more reliable and more comfortable than a 1986 model.

Why should I not expect it from my OS?

Being the most secure... Windows is to be expected from the most current version. If it's not, take it to the trashcan and we'll stay where we are.

Re:The tagging (1)

cybermage (112274) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784915)

Seriously, the tagging is rapidly dissolving into childish rubbish (even by Slashdot's standards)

Well, I, for one, welcome our trap-detecting overloards!

I offer them these gifts: a beowulf cluster; Natalie Portman; and, of course, Hot Grits (tm).

Oh, and remember: In Soviet Russia, Cowboy Neal options you!

--
under-reported news with commentary [apathy.net]

Re:Last version of Windows (1)

screaser (901255) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784937)

Depends on what you mean by "as we know it".

I would have thought that the MacOS was pretty much mature and stable, and they did some pretty groundbreaking stuff moving to OSX.

Until we have an OS that lets us interface like the guys in Minority Report (or, hell... like HAL) we may not be finished.

Re:The tagging (1)

ledow (319597) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784939)

Yes, but it was of course inevitable. Unless you want to mod and meta-mod tags themselves, we were always going to get this rubbish. You can't stop the tags any more than you can stop spam email coming through by blocking anything that contains the word "penis" in it. They'll just change the word, change the spelling, etc. and you'll still end up with spam. Tags never were a bright idea, it's the AUTHOR or EDITOR who should be tagging stories, not the general Slashdot populous.

Re:Last version of Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784955)

As someone who's not just an insane advocate of any one OS, I disagree. Windows is getting better and more stable and anyone who geuinely uses it on a grand scale must agree. New (compared to odl versions) features like Active Directory simply crap over the competition in terms of mass management of systems. Forget the zealotry, Linux & Mac simply don't have a competitive product that you can mass control the most tiny details of the end user experience across thousands of computers with a few clicks of a mouse. (Please don't mention ridiculous ideas, like self-made scripts that require strong programming knowledge and frankly don't have 1% of the power of AD).

Windows has bugs. Windows has flaws. But for the mass, end user desktop, there is NO alternative. No other OS can be controlled in such a centralised way, without the need for teams of in house programmers.

I work all day with computers, Macs, Linux and Windows. All servers that can be are linux and small clients who can live with macs get them, but large organisations simply need Windows - and it's getting better each relese.

The Windows XP box i am typing this on hasn't needed to be rebuilt ever (over 2 years of use). Still runs like a charm.

Re:Has to be said (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784981)

So DRM seems to work.

No , there'll be more. (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784983)

But eventually the bloat will cause MS to release a "minimalist" OS in the same way they reduced some of the bloat on Office (alledgedly) and market this new found slimline look as a feature (in the same way cars slowly grow in size and suddenly they're too big and get shrunk down again - then start to grow again). Who knows what the long term futures holds , Windows could either predominate, be overtaken by Linux or OS/X or some other OS/hardware combo which doesn't even exist yet or there could be a complete paradigm shift in the types of computers we use. Perhaps in 20 years we'll all be typing into a self programming neural net.

Re:Remember kids... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16784995)

don't you mean "a penguin looses its wrapper"??????

http://www.mcvities.co.uk/80256C1A0047922E/vWeb/pc TSTT5EPGG9 [mcvities.co.uk] (in case you don't know!!!)

Re:The tagging (1)

cybermage (112274) | more than 7 years ago | (#16784999)

Seriously, the tagging is rapidly dissolving into childish rubbish (even by Slashdot's standards)

Well, I, for one, welcome our trap-detecting overloards!

I offer them these gifts: a beowulf cluster; Natalie Portman; and, of course, Hot Grits (tm).

Oh, and remember: In Soviet Russia, Cowboy Neal options you!

--
under-reported news with commentary [apathy.net]

Re:Remember kids...Oblig Clippy (1)

theskipper (461997) | more than 7 years ago | (#16785037)

Which is offset by having one more paperclip off the streets and gainfully employed.

Re:Yes, but (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16785047)

Preferably in the face?

What? Ain't like it's never happened before!

Re:Last version of Windows (1)

chrisb33 (964639) | more than 7 years ago | (#16785057)

Microsoft can always find ways to force people to upgrade - for example, locking DirectX 10 to Vista only. Want to use that shiny new video card? Pay up.
It's unfortunate that the competitors lag so far behind that Microsoft is free to force upgrades - still, as you mentioned, OS's are nearly feature-complete, so it may be harder and harder to find features worth upgrading for.
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