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NTP Gets a Taste of Its Own Medicine

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the trolling-for-dollars dept.

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UltraAyla writes, "NTP's patent suits seem to have attracted the attention of Oren Tavory, a man who claims to have worked on a project with NTP founder Thomas Campana back in 1991. From the article: 'In September, Tavory filed a lawsuit against NTP in U.S. District Court in Richmond, VA, demanding that a judge issue a court order naming him as co-inventor on seven NTP patents, and accusing NTP of copyright infringement and unjust enrichment.'"

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NTP (1, Funny)

nacturation (646836) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787347)

I take it NTP isn't an acronym for "No To Patents"?
 

NTP Sucks! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16787349)

And, First POST!

Lawyers FTW! (5, Funny)

paladinwannabe2 (889776) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787361)

Ah, Lawsuits. Is there any problem you can't solve?

You know what they say (5, Funny)

MyNameIsEarl (917015) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787369)

Live by the patent, die by the patent. Or maybe it was swords. Nah I'm pretty sure it was patent.

"unjust enrichment" (5, Funny)

bunions (970377) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787375)

the fact that you can actually sue someone for "unjust enrichment" is sort of awesome.

This should be good. (3, Insightful)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787379)

Hope he has some documentation to back up that claim.

more acronym fun (0)

Wizzerd911 (1003980) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787401)

the entire article doesn't mention once what NTP means. They hinted at it but I'm still not sure. I shouldn't even have to ask but what does NTP stand for?! And better yet, why does slashdot always post articles with acronyms without explaining what they mean once before turning them into an acronym? (a basic rule of english composition) Do they just assume everyone knows every tech acronym that exists?

re: more acronym fun (2, Informative)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787445)

the entire article doesn't mention once what NTP means. They hinted at it but I'm still not sure. I shouldn't even have to ask but what does NTP stand for?! And better yet, why does slashdot always post articles with acronyms without explaining what they mean once before turning them into an acronym? (a basic rule of english composition) Do they just assume everyone knows every tech acronym that exists?
http://www.acronymfinder.com/ [acronymfinder.com] might come in handy. Although it doesn't cover company names, which this is. Maybe the company doesn't have a full name....just a few letters.

What NTP stands for (4, Informative)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787447)

#16787401 [slashdot.org]

NTP, as far as I can tell, is simply "NTP, Inc" it is not an acronym like RIM (research In Motion).

"unjust enrichment" (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16787449)

"the fact that you can actually sue someone for 'unjust enrichment' is sort of awesome."

Well if you can invade a country for simply suspecting unjust enrichment, I'd think being able to sue for it is a given. *Ba-dum*ching*

[Parent [slashdot.org] ]

Come to Think of It... (2, Funny)

faqmaster (172770) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787451)

Let's all sue NTP. I read a sci-fi novel back in the day where messages were zipping around in space. I thought a lot about it. Surely that qualifies as early work on wireless email?

THIS will bring about Patent Reform (5, Insightful)

mpapet (761907) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787453)

Patenting the shape of the corners of a gift card and the tsunami of other meaningless patents overwhelming the PTO will not bring about patent reform. Working the PTO, like most gov't jobs is something private industry doesn't want to do and is a relatively small portion of the Gov budget. Crying about the extra work and hiring 1 for every 100 requested reviewers is about the only way it's being addressed right now.

Clogging the (I assume federal) courts with patent related litigation will. Why? Because the courts will be asking for many more judges, clerks, infrastructure, (money$$$) to address the tidal wave of litigation.

Judges and their courts are much more expensive and much more respected than mere patent workers.

The more litigation related to frivolous patents, the better.

Re: Lawyers FTW! (5, Funny)

DittoBox (978894) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787457)

Ah, Lawsuits. Is there any problem you can't solve?

Yes. The lawyers don't keel over and die when they're finished, like the should.

Pardon me if I am trolling.... (2, Funny)

Demanche (587815) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787543)

But this guy sounds like he should open his own holding company, if he wins this he can be the one that squanders the squanders... I actually wish him luck!

Re:more acronym fun (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787549)

And better yet, why does slashdot always post articles with acronyms without explaining what they mean once before turning them into an acronym?

For an explanation, I refer you to one of my prior posts [slashdot.org] which explains this quite adequately.
 

Reply problems? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16787561)

Is anyone else missing the link to reply to Posts?

leaving an inventor off a patent (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16787589)

I thought that leaving an inventor off the list of inventors (or including someone who was not an inventor) was sufficient to invalidate a patent. I am not a patent lawyer, but that what I remembered from an intro to patent law course that I took many many years ago.

Can anyone comment who knows for sure?

NTP (2, Funny)

maxrate (886773) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787601)

I hate NTP (the company) because of the lawsuit against RIM. But to make matters worse for myself - my mind has since associated NTP the company with NTP the time protocol. Everytime I have to setup a NTP connection to a server I think of RIM. However when I think of RIM, I think of a RIM job. No, not a job a RIM. Yes this is off-topic - but I had to get this off my chest.

Re:NTP (1)

netnuevo (699713) | more than 7 years ago | (#16796260)

Not a job at RIM... hahaha.

Re:"unjust enrichment" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16787605)

I think the US is trying to sue Iran for the same thing in the UN. ;)

Re:more acronym fun (1)

rehabdoll (221029) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787609)

Especially since most geeks know "NTP" as "network time protocol"

Sounds Like... *Waves hands wildly* (4, Funny)

Stanistani (808333) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787611)

Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of [lawyer] that thrives on [patent trolls].

Lisa: But then we're stuck with [lawyers]!

Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the [lawyers] simply freeze to death.

I'm guessing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16787643)

I'm guessing that this has nothing to do with the Network Time Protocol.

afs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16787679)

adf is true

Anyone else? (1)

jzuska (65827) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787697)

Think this was about Network Time Protocol?

clocks? (2, Funny)

pe1chl (90186) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787699)

Does that mean we can no longer keep our clocks synchronized without paying royalties?

I don't understand this... (1)

HuckleCom (690630) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787725)

Why do so many people hate the Network Time Protocol? I think it's cool!

Re:"unjust enrichment" (1)

acvh (120205) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787745)

maybe now people will stop laughing at my suit against Pfizer over those little blue pills.

Suing Peter to Pay Paul's Patent Suit (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787771)

"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind." - Mohandas Ghandi

NTP will sue others on its patents to pay those who sue NTP on its patents. And a rhumba line of lawyers will all collect the fees, ultimately from consumers.

NTP stands for "New Technology Products"... (3, Informative)

MillenneumMan (932804) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787793)

...or at least that is the best that Stout can recall. From an article in Virginia Business Magazine http://www.virginiabusiness.com/magazine/yr2005/se p05/law.shtml [virginiabusiness.com] "...the inventor came up with the name. Stout does not even remember what it stands for, but thinks it was originally New Technology Products."

Qui-Gonn Jin says... (2, Funny)

theMAGE (51991) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787819)

"There is always a bigger fish."

Re:leaving an inventor off a patent (3, Interesting)

Compulawyer (318018) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787831)

It does not invalidate the patent. It makes the patent unenforceable. The difference is that if the patent is invalid, it is dead forever. if the patent is unenforceable, you can potentially fix the problem that made it unenforceable and obtain a good patent.

Inventorship is easy to fix but has potentially serious consequences. In the US, inventors are deemed to be owners of the patent unless or until those rights are assigned, usually to a company. An owner of a patent can profit from the patent without having to account to the other owners. In this case, for example, if this person succeeds in getting named as an inventor, and assuming that he is under no obligation through an employment or other contract to assign his rights to NTP, he can then potentially license the patents to Palm (who NTP is now suing), keep all the licensing proceeds, and effectively eliminate NTP's ability to collect anything from Palm.

It's about... (1)

crunchly (266150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787833)

time that NTP got what was coming to them.

re: NTP (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787859)

NTP, as far as I can tell, is simply "NTP, Inc" it is not an acronym like RIM (research In Motion).

Need Those Patents (to sue for). That's what it means.

Meaning of NTP (1)

frdmfghtr (603968) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787895)

"Need Those Patents"?

"Need To Prosecute"? (Not sure if this term is right for a civil case)

"Naughty Tech Parasites"?

OpenNTP (2, Funny)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 7 years ago | (#16787905)

Aren't most people running OpenNTP these days?

Lawsuits solving problems (1)

TechForensics (944258) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788037)

"Ah, Lawsuits. Is there any problem you can't solve?

        Yes. The lawyers don't keel over and die when they're finished, like the should."

HEY! I am a lawyer.

one of the patents... (2, Funny)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788101)

...was apparently for threaded message posting on an online web forum.

Re:Lawyers FTW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16788127)

I think it's more along the lines of:

To patents: the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.

NTP (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788375)

"No Two Patents" are not involved in litigation. Awww..

What NTP really Stands for (1)

madmattmanus (612050) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788495)

NTP = No Toilet Paper... That's why everything they do smells...

Reply to a post (2, Funny)

dmatos (232892) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788579)

I hate NTP (the company) because of the lawsuit against RIM. But to make matters worse for myself - my mind has since associated NTP the company with NTP the time protocol. Everytime I have to setup a NTP connection to a server I think of RIM. However when I think of RIM, I think of a RIM job. No, not a job a RIM. Yes this is off-topic - but I had to get this off my chest.


If you need to get it off your chest, it's not a rim job. There's another name for that activity.

I would have had more sympathy (1)

tsotha (720379) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788627)

... for RIM if they hadn't spent a decade using litigation to force everyone else out of the market. Personally, in these kinds of situations you have to go with Kissinger's comment on the Iran-Iraq war - "It's too bad they can't [all] lose."

Re: more acronym fun (1)

don_bear_wilkinson (934537) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788993)

Do you know what PCMCIA stands for? People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms :)

This is completely incorrect, I checked! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16789157)

The Network Time Protocol [ntp.org] hasn't sued anyone.

Ask Dave Mills [udel.edu] , he's right down the road at the University of Delaware [udel.edu] !

And there isn't any other NTP [rfc-editor.org] that matters.

RE: more acronym fun (1)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789283)

In response to Comment #16788993 [slashdot.org]
I thought PCMCIA stood for Personal Computers are Monitored by the Central Intelligence Agency.

there is a chance (1)

hany (3601) | more than 7 years ago | (#16791754)

And a rhumba line of lawyers will all collect the fees, ultimately from consumers.

But there is a chance for customers so that they do not have to foot the bill.

IMO those lawsuits are "investment" for the companies: they are financing it in hopes to later obtain income thanks to it and that income will cover this "investment" and gives also some bonus. Also lawyers are (at least partialy) being paid after the case (more precisely: after the successfull case).

So, at the end, if the customers does not buy the products employing contested patents, they wont be footing bill for this legal battle and the cost will remain with the companies and lawyers thus depleting their savings.

But it is hard not to buy "bad" products.

Re:there is a chance (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16793776)

Too late: the lawyers come out of the woodwork only after the public has not only bought $BILLIONS of these products, but is committed to their upgrade path.

That's the entire point of submarine patents. And the reason they should be outlawed, before even the entire patent system gets its necessary overhaul.

When is capitalism NOT about 'unjust enrichment'? (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 7 years ago | (#16794132)

Hmmm? C'mon, name me even just one instance. Can't do it, can ya?

The proper functioning of Capitalism is dependent upon every participant being (equally) greedy. The theory is that since one gets screwed-over in transaction A - an inequal exchange of value - then one must in turn screw-over someone else in later transactions just in order to break even... but of course some people still manage to do better than breaking even. Sounds pretty ethical, don't it?

This story is just an instance of Capitalism working exactly as intended. :-)
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