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Sony Firm On PS3 Pricing

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the going-to-have-to-bite-the-bullet dept.

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Reuters has some last minute discussion on the high price of the PS3, as well as their plans for shipping 2 million units by December. From the article: "'We are very comfortable with the pricing we have announced and have gotten tremendous support from retailers for that price point,' Hirai said on the sidelines of the Dow Jones VentureWire Consumer Technology Conference. 'So it is full steam ahead with the pricing of $499 and $599.'"

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That's good...Good, good for them (4, Insightful)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788263)

'We are very comfortable with the pricing we have announced and have gotten tremendous support from retailers for that price point,'

Well, it's certainly comforting to know that the stores like the price.

I wonder if the consumers will.

Re:That's good...Good, good for them (1)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | more than 7 years ago | (#16793900)

the retailers being comfortable implies that they're confident they can sell them. trust me, i'm a retailer (not of consoles), and being comfortable with the price of a product means you think people will happily pay for it.

Re:That's good...Good, good for them (1)

Leviance (1001065) | more than 7 years ago | (#16794288)

Apparently the retailers don't read Slashdot much...

Re:That's good...Good, good for them (1)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | more than 7 years ago | (#16794416)

probably because slashdot isn't a useful indicator of public opinion.

Ringbarer Interactive announce 2007 catalog (0, Offtopic)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788273)

Purveyor of racist yet truthful anti-islamic Slashdot troll postings, Ringbarer, today announced the formation of Ringbarer Interactive Entertainment - providing games for Linux.

"With the recent announcement that Linux is still not ready for the desktop, we thought it was time that Linux users had more games to play than poorly coded Tetris clones, Tux Racer, and that hilarious applet where you stop Bill Gates from installing Windows over Operating Systems that don't exist anymore.

To that end we have created a new dynamic episodic series of franchised Interactive Entertainment Experiences, catered for the Linux demographic. So we'll be forcing the games to be registered and installed online because we know fine well that Linux users would just try to steal them."

But what about the games? The 2007 release catalog promises to have something for all Linux gamers:

SIM NIGGER
Ringbarer Interactive Entertainment's flagship title - SIM NIGGER is a freeform sandbox game containing a miniature representation of New Orleans. The floods may have been drained, but that gives your SIM NIGGER opportunity to indulge in the kind of behaviour that only Niggers know and love. Smoke crack; rob tourists at gunpoint; do drive by shootings; eat stolen watermelon; loot televisions; acquire 'bling'; anally rape children; spout incomprehensible gibberish into your (stolen) mobile phone; draw welfare checks; and all that other wholesome stuff. Only with SIM NIGGER can pasty white overprivledged middle-class suburban teenagers express their dislike for Mommy and Daddy by adopting a culture that was never theirs in the first place. Featuring a meticulously marketed 'Urban' soundtrack from Eminem, Fiddy Cent, and Vanilla Ice.

Contains inbuilt advertising from Massive Entertainment who shall plaster every available in game billboard with the same picture, whilst claiming it makes the game more 'realistic', because you're stupid enough to fall for that thing.

ESRB WARNING: Contains hidden scenes of consentual fucking available by manually patching the game to include a DivX viewer and several separately downloaded gigabytes of pornography.

BATTLEFIELD: NOW
The poorly-optimised lagfest that is the Battlefield franchise finally wheezes its way onto the Linux platform. The latest Cancerware(tm) technology ensures that not only will your games take even LONGER to start, thus building anticipation; but even the fastest machine will be ground to a halt - ensuring a fair playing field for all.

Cancerware(tm) is an exciting and revolutionary addition to the franchise, as it shall interface with our servers every game to deliver the very latest geopolitical situation to eager gamers. Whichever enemy the USA are at war with at the moment will be the enemy you are shooting on screen, taking realism to the max! You can be shooting ungrateful Iraqi Insurgents one minute, and nuke-wielding North Koreans the next. Remember, folks, we have ALWAYS been at war with North Korea!

Guaranteed to force you to manually rewrite your firewall's bytecode and install every possible graphics development kit on the planet just to be able to run the fucking thing! And then do it all again every time it's patched! Just be fucking grateful!

SPACE MARINE XENOMORPH BUGHUNT 4 - EPISODE 1
Exciting and revolutionary FPS from the makers of SPACE MARINE XENOMORPH BUGHUNT 3. Control a tough talking American Space Marine through several levels of tense, pulse-pounding point-and-click action. Listen to poorly written contrived banter which was considered embarassing when James Cameron first wrote it twenty years ago. Fight ever larger and fatter aliens which are so ludicrous that even Todd McFarlane would wipe his ass on the sketchpad if he ever drew one. Contains the terrifying "Industrial Factory" level, as well as "Sewers", "Crate Warehouse", and "Industrial Factory 2", leading to an exciting plotline cliffhanger to be resolved in SPACE MARINE XENOMORPH BUGHUNT 4 - EPISODE 2.

SPACE MARINE XENOMORPH BUGHUNT 4 - EPISODE 2
This picks up the exciting plotline cliffhanger from SPACE MARINE XENOMORPH BUGHUNT 4 - EPISODE 1. Your tough talking American Space Marine has now been turned into an Alien or something. And you get to fight through all the same levels again, except there's a purple glow on things because you're an Alien or something and you've got slightly stranger powers. And a gravity gun.

SPACE MARINE XENOMORPH BUGHUNT 4 - HIGHSCHOOL HOLOCAUST MAP PACK
We have been working diligently with the modding community to provide an exclusive Map Pack for SPACE MARINE XENOMORPH BUGHUNT 4. These maps contain pixel-perfect replicas of every High School in the United States and Canada, so that Linux gamers may indulge their angry loner stereotype with a variety of virtual weapons.

SERIOUS FLIGHT SIMULATOR 2007
Decades of work have gone into the latest edition of SERIOUS FLIGHT SIMULATOR, utilising the best in scientific physics analysis, realistic fractal terrain generation, and a flight model second only to the best that the military have to offer. All of which will go to waste because the only thing Linux gamers would want to do with it is download a 3D model of New York City circa 2001 and crash a plane into the World Trade Centre, whilst laughing nasally that they're "teaching Bush a lesson".

SPHINCTER SMELL
Somebody has farted in the NSA offices, and it's up to special operative Sam Felcher to find out who it was! Stalk and sneak your way around the poorly lit bathrooms and ventilation ducts of NSA headquarters, until you get close enough to your target to be able to nasally identify their anal emissions.

LEMON PARTY
Like 'Mario Party' but with slightly more geriatric homosexuality.

GOATSE GOBBLIN'
Control a full-bearded man dressed in nothing but his underwear across many infurating platform levels, just for the chance to eat some distended anus.

WH3RE DA FUCK IZ CARMEN SANTIAGO?
The popular education title, updated for the Urban demographic.

LYNNDIE ENGLAND'S ABU-GHRAIB TETRIS
Of course, any collection of Linux games would not be complete without a poorly coded Tetris clone! LYNNDIE ENGLAND'S ABU-GHRAIB TETRIS is an exciting and politically savvy rework of the public domain puzzle concept. The barely conscious bodies of tortured Iraqi prisoners are falling from the top of the screen, and it's your job to stack them into amusing pyramids for the benefit of the folks at home. That'll serve 'em right for 9/11!


Many more titles are to be announced. So stay tuned to experience the future of Linux gaming!

Price / Console differences (4, Interesting)

harryk (17509) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788287)

Ok, I'm sure I can find the details online, but I've got a quickie question for those that will be buying the PS3 next week.

What is going to entice you to but the PS3 Premium, as opposed to the Basic? The basic will have the HDMI port, a 20gig drive (versus 60 right?) etc... etc...

So what exactly will you be 'getting' that you just have to have for an extra $100?

Re:Price / Console differences (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 7 years ago | (#16793100)

more space in their shorts?

(gotta love dual meanings)

In other words (5, Funny)

rlp (11898) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788299)

The retailers like it, Sony likes it, and two out of three ain't bad.

One quote sums it all up (-1, Troll)

Drachemorder (549870) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788307)

"The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil." (1 Timothy 6:10)

The REAL question is.... (4, Insightful)

Rockman-X (978368) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788309)

...after the "hardcore" gamers (who think the console is worth the price) have bought their PS3s, will the general public (parents who will buy a game console for their kids) be "comfortable" with the price? Heck... will they even find one in the stores, since Sony doesn't seem to be capable of building the machines in time? Yeah, perhaps the price right now is just a minor issue for Sony.

Kaz = Kerry (5, Funny)

RSquaredW (969317) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788325)

Like John Kerry before the midterm elections, somebody needs to stop these Sony execs from talking to anyone for a few weeks.

Department (3, Insightful)

Durrok (912509) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788327)

from the going-to-have-to-bite-the-bullet dept

No we don't.

Re: In other words (1, Troll)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788335)

so, basically, the standard capitolism mantra: "Screw the consumer"

In other news... (1)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788343)

Rootofevil firm not not dropping 600$ on this overhyped kit when the revolu^wwii will be twice the fun for half the cash.

Consumers are weird. (4, Insightful)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788363)

This is not a justification for the PS3 price. I think its high. But I do think this phenomenon is interesting.)

Fabulous new mobile phone, lots of bells and whistles = people happily pay $500

Fabulous new video iPod, lots of nice features = people giddily pay $500

Fabulous new game console, nex-gen features = people freak out, say $500 is way way too much.

Re:Consumers are weird. (1)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16792422)

Nobody would pay $500 up front for a phone. Most people have cheaper models, and even the ones that have the more expensive phones pay for it through their subscription.

The most expensive iPod is $350. But the bulk of the sales come from the nanos and the 30 GB $250 version.

Most people wouldn't be able to tell you what the "next gen features" of the PS3 are, apart from "good graphics".
Contrary to what Sony wants you to believe, most PS2 owners haven't got a job yet.

Re:Consumers are weird. (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16792872)

"Nobody would pay $500 up front for a phone. Most people have cheaper models, and even the ones that have the more expensive phones pay for it through their subscription."

Wrong. I happy paid $450 for my new Cybershot camera phone. And I'm happy with it. If it had been $50 more, I would still have bought it. (The US version would have been, because I'd have had to unlocked it. I was headed for that before I found the european one cheaper.)

You have to remember that it's NOT just a phone. It's a phone, a camera, a music player, a java-based game player, and several other features I use regularly, like the alarm clock.

The PS3 is the same deal. It's not just a game console. It's a media player, etc etc.

Never assume that just because something isn't worth the price to you that it's not worth the price to anyone. Don't even assume that you are in the majority.

Re:Consumers are weird. (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16792888)

Oh, as a side note... I am NOT buying the PS3 this year, but it has nothing to do with price. I likely will never buy it.

Re:Consumers are weird. (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16793178)

"Noone" when referring to buying something usually means a statistically insignificant minority will buy it but the market at large will not. Shit in a box would sell to some joker but that doesn't mean it would make sense in a store.

Re:Consumers are weird. (2, Interesting)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#16792916)

First off, I don't think anywhere near the majority of people have a $500 cell phone. You can get a pretty decent phone for free with most plans now-a-days, or buy a good one for a whole lot cheaper.

But besides that, the thing with consoles is, if I spent $500 on a PS3, I'm not getting my money's worth until I spend a bunch more cash. Games are pretty damn expensive. Like $60 expensive. If I buy one game per month, you're talking $720. If I were to give a phone company $720 per year, you can be damn sure I'd get a really nice phone for free.

And really specific to the PS3, everyone knows that the Blu-ray is a major factor in that cost, yet many people are indifferent at best towards blu-ray. It's hard to get excited about giving a company a bunch of extra cash so that they can try to establish a monopoly on the next big storage medium.

Re:Consumers are weird. (1)

docrmc (551146) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827438)

thatguy, please correct me if i get you wrong on your take...

From what was said id think that the "fairly decent phone" that you'd get with a plan, would be equitable to, say, a PS2- the thing that you'd all but give away. Truth is, there is a whole market out there that is not interested in fairly decent. In point of fact, gadgets catch their eye; the new and (even somewhat minorly) improved whets their appetite; the latest fad pulls their pocket.

It is not inconceivable for someone to shell out $500 for a new phone. Indeed, most phones penetrate the market at that price. At how much do Moto and Nokia initally price their phones? Have you checked their market performance? This tactic seems to be quite successful.... Or to strike closer to home, the avg user might use a Live card, and a GeForce/ATI 128mb, but how many of us on Slash are the avg user? How many gaming enthusiasts on here salivate for 1900XT over 128 radeon, audigy 2/x-fi over Live!, or what have you?

Many of us are willing to pay "high prices" for a lot of hardware, but "we" are whining about the PS3's price. I refuse to whine about it. Ill say simply that the price is currently outside of my willingness-range for what theyve to offer, and that is that. If u believe that Sony is not thinking of you, the gaming enthusiast, then youve the option to simply not by the console! The "if-you-don't-like-it-change-the-channel" approach does work. Or maybe they just know, that despite all the whining, theyll still worm the dollars out of your bank account.

consumers/gamers come in all shapes and sizes, and they (the companies) know it, and count on it. that weirdity you speak of is all relative. you and i may not be in the long and curling lines at 12am, but if one thing is certain, someone will be. a great many will be....

as usual (2, Funny)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788365)

Welcome to Slashdot, where companies are evil for attempting to charge money for their products.

Such an interesting corner of reality the denizens of this site occupy.

Re: Price / Console differences (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16788369)

Reply to 16788287 [slashdot.org] :

I haven't made up my mind yet on the basic vs. premium issue, but the benefits to my mind are an extra 40 gigs of storage and built-in wireless. As the apartment I'm living in right now is served only by whole-building wireless, the latter feature is pretty useful.

Between the price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16788381)

and the bizarre advertising campaign, I'm sure the success Sony sees this console will be despite its efforts rather than for them. It will sell a lot of them eventually, I'm sure, but that's more to do with all of the ISVs in their corner than anything else.

MS, where's the 360 price cut? (1)

cplusplus (782679) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788385)

MS could really take some wind out of Sony's "sales" with a $30 to $50 price cut. A drop in price, plus the recent arrival of Gears of War (easily the best looking game I have *ever* seen, and amazingly fun to boot), and a little extra effort from the advertising department could probably take a much bigger bite out of the PS3 launch.

If you're wondering (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16788391)

How early adopters feel about the price, head out to ebay or amazon's product forums for the ps3 or your local BestBuy. Now, that's early adopters, they'll literally pay almost anything to get their hands on one. I've never understood why people make such a big deal out of the current price, up to xmas, they will have absolutely no problems selling every unit they produce. The REAL question is how quickly and by how much can they drop the price to start attracting the "average" consumer. If it's still $599 this time next year, they're doomed.

This lack of forum threading is unbearable! (-1, Offtopic)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788397)

How can I correct people? Why am I asking you, when you can't reply to me! Argh!

Re: In other words (5, Insightful)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788403)

by jimstapleton (999106) on Thursday November 09, @03:03PM (#16788335)
so, basically, the standard capitolism mantra: "Screw the consumer"

You are so correct. I would much rather the government just took my money at gunpoint, delivered a PS3 to my home whenever they got around to it, and called that a service.

Re: In other words (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788437)

You are so correct. I would much rather the government just took my money at gunpoint, delivered a PS3 to my home whenever they got around to it, and called that a service.
I never said socialism was better, I was just stating that this is a good example of one of the flaws of capitolism.

Good price (1, Interesting)

Quila (201335) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788439)

You have to remember that with Blu-Ray, the PS3 is easily worth more than Sony is charging, as evidenced by the fact that Sony is taking a loss on each one sold.

To me the question is whether the console market is ready for something like this. It's big, expensive, powerful and hot (heat-wise). It sucks far more power than my Athlon desktop, including large CRT monitor, five hard drives, cable modem, router and other accessories (that's from the reading on my UPS). Something this powerful should have come along in a couple of years, when the technology could have it be smaller, cooler and cheaper.

I'm firm too... (4, Funny)

VitrosChemistryAnaly (616952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788443)

Firm on the fact that $600 is too-damned-much to pay for a gaming system!

Seriously, for that much money the games better knock my socks off and the console better massage my prostate.

Re: In Other Words (0)

dch24 (904899) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788447)

You are so correct. I would much rather the government just took my money at gunpoint, delivered a PS3 to my home whenever they got around to it, and called that a service.
Not to worry, Rumsfeld stepped down [slashdot.org] , so he can't do that anymore. [ Parent [slashdot.org] ]

Differences (3, Informative)

BJH (11355) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788449)

Re: Price / Console differences [slashdot.org]

The extra money gets you:
- 60GB hard drive
- Memory Stick/SD/CF card reader
- 802.11b/g wireless

Retarded (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788465)

It'll be hard to find a PS3 under $900 thanks to all the eBay entrepenuers that are camping out at stores right now. I wouldn't be surprised to see the high end ones go for over $1500.

Happened with both the 360, and the PS2. Didn't happen with the Gamecube because they didn't cut the initial allotment by 75% before it launched! That should be illegal.

Its like saying, "Ok. We're going to release a million of these systems on launch day."

Then, "Ok, we're having problems. We're only going to release 500,000."

"More problems. Only 250,000."

First they make you think that there'll be a PS3 for everyone that has money and wants one. Then you'll say, "I should get a PS3. It'll be hassle-free and easy to get."
Thats when they pull the old "you have to camp outside of a store for three weeks to have a shot at getting one" routine and you can either forget about it until three months later, or forget about it altogether (and lose your deposit).

Re: Price / Console differences (1, Informative)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788473)

#16788287 [slashdot.org]

the 3 differences are:
1) HDD space
2) Integrated Wirelless NIC
3) Sony Mem Stick reader

that is it.
Does this add up to $200 to any one else?

Heh, of course the Wii has 2 out of those 3. A $250 system INCLUDES 2 out of 3 items that covers the difference between the $400 and a $600 verssions of another system, with the 3rd item rolling in around $20-40.

yah, somethign just aint right.

When the $400 version didn't have HDMI it sorta made sense to drop the extra $200, now it really just does not.

How on earth did this get modded informative?? (1)

Manmademan (952354) | more than 7 years ago | (#16794646)

Does this add up to $200 to any one else?

The difference between the "core" Ps3 ($499) and the "premium" ($599) is $100. Not $200. Microsoft is charging $100 for a 20 gig drive for the 360 alone. At that rate the 40 gig increase for the same price is definitely worth the investment in the long run.

Heh, of course the Wii has 2 out of those 3. A $250 system INCLUDES 2 out of 3 items that covers the difference between the $400 and a $600 verssions of another system, with the 3rd item rolling in around $20-40.

No, the Wii doesn't. the premium Ps3 includes support for CompactFlash, SD, AND Memorystick Formats. the Wii is SD-only. If I have compactflash/memorystick cards I want to use with the wii, I'm SOL. And again...there is no $400 version of the Ps3. As for WiFi, the Wii includes it but has no option for wired access, as the Ps3 premium and core do.

Re:How on earth did this get modded informative?? (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#16796894)

the $200 thing was a typo, and as I couldn't reply, I never got to note it :P

As for the PS3 supporting CF/SD/Memsticks I am honestly suprised, that is the first I have seen any mention of it. I am aslo suprised as memsticks is one of those things sony has tried to drag into popular ussage despite all signs to the contrary (could this be Sony actualy getting a clue? if so then I am glad for em).

Admitedly, a flashcard reader on a device with a HDD is kinda odd (unless you honestly are buyign into sony's "our console does EVERYTHING!!!!!" gig, I for one am not).

Oh, and that price for a HDD is still just silly, you can generaly find a HDD going for around 20-40 cents a gig now/

Re:How on earth did this get modded informative?? (1)

Manmademan (952354) | more than 7 years ago | (#16797762)

I'd say it's not so much a typo as a lack of understanding, as you repeated the misinformation not once, but twice.

You are aware the HDD's in the PS3 are SATA laptop style drives, which are substantially more expensive than 20-40 cents a gig? A Quick Search of Newegg turns up a 60 gig fujitsu notebook drive at 92.99. Sony isn't "ripping you off" here as it's just a generic drive (re: not proprietary like the 360 drive) and can be easily upgraded with any size drive the user chooses, from wherever the user sees fit to buy it.

The flashcard reader is there to quickly transfer media to and from portable devices like digital cameras, PSP's, Music players, etc. It makes perfect sense considering Sony is selling music movies games, etc via the playstation Store. Download song/movie file/game onto card, pop card into walkman/psp/generic MP3 player and there you go. Don't see the need for it? Don't buy the premium.

RIP PS3 (2, Insightful)

Gnostic Ronin (980129) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788485)

Of course they're not worried about the price. They can't even make any ps3s. I think they're gonna try to get as much as they can out of the overpriced DRM-machine before they give up on it and concentrate on making exploding laptop batteries.

The people who are most excited about Sony's complete lack of credibility are the XBOX360 people and the Wii people. Sony's already lost most of it's fanbase, and by the time the ps3 is actually available, most ps2 owners will have already bought another console. It only makes sense when you can buy a 360 and a Wii plus a Wii game for less than the unavailable ps3.

No News is... Not News (3, Interesting)

Ignatius D'Lusional (1010911) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788497)

So, the prices for the PS3 haven't changed? Why would they? The damn thing hasn't even launched yet! How is this news?


Here's the deal: If something changes, it's newsworthy. If nothing changes, there is no story.

*yawn*

Let me know when the price drops $100-200 in a few years. That's the news I'm waiting to hear.

Re:Consumers are weird. (3, Insightful)

CurbyKirby (306431) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788519)

An 80Gig video ipod is $350, which is comparable to the cost of previous high end portable players.

A next-gen console with next-gen interface from Nintendo is half the cost of a PS3. At $250, it is more similar to the prices of previous consoles. than $500.

You might argue that the PS3, at launch, offers enough to justify the $500 price tag. With fewer launch titles than the Wii and the ability to play the 55 movies currently released for a format currently embroiled in a format war, I'm not convinced. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Good Price (3, Insightful)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788529)

You have to remember that with Blu-Ray, the PS3 is easily worth more than Sony is charging, as evidenced by the fact that Sony is taking a loss on each one sold.
For that to be true you also have to believe that the Blu-Ray players being sold are actually worth as much as they're charging. For me... not so much They have WMVHD-DVD players for about $200 which can decode the H.264 based codecs. Which leads me to believe the rest of the price of those players is Blue Diodes + Brand names.

Re:Good Price (1)

lazyl (619939) | more than 7 years ago | (#16794356)

Which leads me to believe the rest of the price of those players is Blue Diodes + Brand names

Actually HD-DVD also uses blue lasers. The reason for the cost is because blu-ray uses a much higher data density which current DVD factories can't create without a complete re-tooling.

Re:Good Price (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#16796248)

I wasn't talking about HD-DVD players, I was talking about WMVHD-DVD players... which are completely different. They use normal DVDs and play these discs [microsoft.com] . It's essentially a derivative of the same codec being used on both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs, considering Sony and Toshiba have argued the price is due to the processors required for decoding I'm calling BS because the players that can decode that same content but on a regular DVD are less then half the price of the cheapest blue laster player... Blue Diodes aren't that expensive.

Re:Good Price (1)

lazyl (619939) | more than 7 years ago | (#16796576)

considering Sony and Toshiba have argued the price is due to the processors required for decoding

Do you have a source for that?

Well, why not? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788561)

They're going to sell out at that price anyway. With the production capacity the way it is they could probably sell it at a profit and still sell out.

Replies are borked (0, Offtopic)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788563)

How do we reply to people?! Slashdot is broken!!!!

too cheap (1)

Franio (964631) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788583)

They could have charged more for it (let's say $800) and they would still sell out the first batch of consoles. Then they could drop the price to something resonable 3-6 months later. Now the money is going to all the people selling them on ebay rather than Sony.

Didn't the xbox drop by $100 only 6 months after launch?

Price Drop (3, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788685)

They could have charged more for it (let's say $800) and they would still sell out the first batch of consoles. Then they could drop the price to something resonable 3-6 months later. Now the money is going to all the people selling them on ebay rather than Sony.

Didn't the xbox drop by $100 only 6 months after launch?


In Europe the XBox was initially overpriced and it was hurting sales so they cut the price a couple of months later; this pissed off most of the people who already purchased a XBox so they were forced to give people coupons for games (IIRC everyone who paid the initial price got 2 game coupons). The fact is that if you cut your price too often, or by too much, you're only going to upset the customers who already bought your system.

Personally, I believe the best strategy is to reduce the price $50 (or add a pack-in game) every 12 months; then even people who buy the system the day before the price drop/pack-in will not be that offended. The problem (with the PS3) is that at $500/$600 it will take 6 years at that rate before the average consumer will be willing to purchase your product; in that time Nintendo could release the Super Wii Advance that is 4 times as powerful as your system for $200.

Re:One quote sums it all up (4, Insightful)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788783)

"The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil." (1 Timothy 6:10)

"To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money -- and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it. --- AYN RAND

Re:One quote sums it all up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16793128)

The richest of whom get slush funds, kickbacks, and bonuses... yeah, they really deserve it too!

Re:One quote sums it all up (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16793198)

A dictator won't hate the government but the rest of his country most likely will.

odd examples you've picked. (4, Interesting)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788851)

Fabulous new mobile phone, lots of bells and whistles = people happily pay $500

Personally, I would never pay more than about $300 for a mobile phone, and that's only if it's an all-in-one wonder like a Treo with built-in PDA/internet/bluetooth/flashlight/screwdriver/etc. If the hardware costs more than that, I expect the carrier to subsidize it as consideration for my decision to enter a service contract with them.

Fabulous new video iPod, lots of nice features = people giddily pay $500

The current top-of-the-line iPod model (5G 80GB) sells for only $350.

Fabulous new game console, nex-gen features = people freak out, say $500 is way way too much.

There's no point in comparing a game console to a mobile phone or an MP3 player, though. That's an apples-to-figs-to-coconuts comparison.

For a meaningful, Braeburn-to-Red-Delicious-type comparison, one has to evaluate the PS3 in the context of other game consoles. No game console with a entry price above $300 has ever been a success--EVER.

Re:odd examples you've picked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16798570)

If people are lining up and pre-orders are selling out, they would be stupid to change the price. The price isn't based on what the thing is worth to Sony, but based on how much people are willing to pay for it, and clearly, people are willing to pay for it.

PS, I'm buying a Wii :)

What complainers! (1, Interesting)

Kelmenson (592104) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788865)

So Sony is selling their brand new console, which should last 5-8 years, for $599. And Slashdot is up in arms at how insane Sony is for charging this much.

But nobody complains when a new cell phone comes out that costs $500. How many years is that phone going to last you? How much in monthly service charges are you going to have to pay? PS3 is free.

Nobody complains that Nvidia just came out with a $700 video card. It'll only be 6 months that that card is top of the line. Nobody is coming out with a higher powered console any time soon.

But Sony is charging too much. Even though they are taking a loss on each unit. Right, whatever you say...

Basic vs. Premium (1)

Straif (172656) | more than 7 years ago | (#16788899)

Not sure if the differences that Thansal [slashdot.org] points out are worth the price jump or not but from the latest review I've seen the 20GB drive could be used up within about 6 games.

For once Sony seems to have done something about their historically horrendous load times and allowed for a pre-load option, at least one some games. This copies a lot of the game data to the system to cut down on Blu-Ray accesses. Choosing this option for the 3 games the reviewer was testing took up nearly half of the 20gb drive so unless you tend to play one game through before starting another or actually like to stare at the "loading level" message you'll want as much hard drive space as you can get.

If there's a way to install your own off the shelf drive into the system after the fact that may be the better option unless you simply can't live without a memory stick reader.

Different markets (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789025)

So Sony is selling their brand new console, which should last 5-8 years, for $599. And Slashdot is up in arms at how insane Sony is for charging this much.

How long a system lasts is largely determined by how well it sold, not by the hardware that is inside of it; consider that the PS2 was no where near as powerful as the XBox or Gamecube and yet still has more games being developed for it (and will likely still have development in 2008) whereas the XBox and Gamecube are (essentially) dead. A friend of mine (who was the biggest Playstation booster) explained to me his new found hatred for all things PS3 with "At $600 I said that I would wait for a decent price drop before I bought it, and then I noticed that everyone I knew who was going to buy it at launch was taking the same approach. If a large portion of the PS3's early adopters are waiting for a price drop, the PS3 could be one of the biggest flops in the history of gaming."

Now I don't (entirely) agree with his statement but I think it explains a lot of the anger and frustration.

But nobody complains when a new cell phone comes out that costs $500. How many years is that phone going to last you? How much in monthly service charges are you going to have to pay? PS3 is free.

Why not compare it to a car or a plane ticket while you're at it?

The PS3 is a game console so it should be directly compared to a game console ...

Last year people were bitching about how the XBox 360 was $400 and I know people who have yet to buy it because it was $100 too expensive; those are the same people who thing the PS3 is $200-$300 too expensive.

Nobody complains that Nvidia just came out with a $700 video card. It'll only be 6 months that that card is top of the line. Nobody is coming out with a higher powered console any time soon.

There is a different mentality with PC gamers though ... The PC allows you to select exactly what you want your system to do; for someone like me (who doesn't need 1920x1280) I'm happy with a $200 card and a mid line processor, other people will want a Quad SLi Geforce 8800 GTX to hold them over until the Geforce 9 series comes out.

But Sony is charging too much. Even though they are taking a loss on each unit. Right, whatever you say...

I didn't tell them they had to use an unconventional CPU architecture or include a HD-Movie player in the unit; there loss was their decision, not mine, so why do I care? All I want is the system to be at a price I am willing to pay (and $500 is not a price I'm willing to pay).

Re:Consumers are weird. (1)

BricksAndMore (950646) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789065)

It might not be so weird. The amount in additional purchases you have to make for a mobile phone and video iPod to have usefulness can be significantly less. After a $500 console purchase, you still need to purchase $60 games, $30 controllers, etc...

uhh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16789083)

Rootofevil firm not not dropping 600$ on this overhyped kit when the revolu^wwii will be twice the fun for half the cash.

you forgot "half the resolution"

I'm a Wii (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789147)

Ob. link to the most clever commentary on PS3 vs Wii [yourdailymedia.com] pricing and markets.

Re:Consumers are weird. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16789171)

Maybe videogame players are smarter than the futile airhead teenage bimbos who always get the latest cell phones?

Re:This lack of forum threading is unbearable! (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789219)

It's not too hard to figure out. Your message header says:

This lack of forum threading is unbearable! (Score:1, Insightful)
by bunbuntheminilop (935594) on Thursday November 09, @05:16PM (#16788397)

See that boldened part in the end? The number of the message? Just click it.

Re:What complainers! (1)

Joe Random (777564) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789305)

But nobody complains when a new cell phone comes out that costs $500.
Cell phones tend to have very similar functionality; their purpose is to call people. I can call anyone on any phone, and all the extra features are just gravy. So I can get $500 phone if I have money to burn and really like the extras, or I can just get a cheap phone and be done with it. Compare that to a game console, which is designed to play games, and where each console has a certain subset of games available only on that console. Further, there are only three major contenders.

Imagine if there were only three noteworthy cell phones coming out this generation, and each one could only dial a subset of all phone numbers. Maybe I'd really like to call up my Aunt Mable, but wouldn't you know it, I can only do that with the $500 phone. You'd see a lot of complaints.


Nobody complains that Nvidia just came out with a $700 video card.
The card's not necessary to play any given game. It makes a difference in the overall presentation quality, obviously, but that's similar to playing a console game on an HDTV. It looks nicer, but it's not necessary. You can still play any game you choose on a cheaper TV.


But Sony is charging too much. Even though they are taking a loss on each unit. Right, whatever you say...
"Too much" is a function of what people are willing to pay, not whether or not Sony is turning a profit.

Re:MS, where's the 360 price cut? (1)

Lord An (104249) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789393)

Gears of War (easily the best looking game I have *ever* seen, and amazingly fun to boot)

It's a good first sign that it's fun to boot, but I'd be more interested whether it's fun to play afterwards...

Re:This lack of forum threading is unbearable! (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789419)

See that boldened part in the end? The number of the message? Just click it.
1. It didn't work that way before.
2. We had no warning whatsoever about the change.
3. Even when choosing "Threaded" in my view settings it doesn't display as threaded at all.
4. Clicking on the post # to view it alone and *then* reply to that message is not intuitive and is more work for the user *and* the server compared to the old way.

Slashdot is broken.

Re: this lack of forum threading is unbearable! (1)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789489)

1. It didn't work that way before.
2. We had no warning whatsoever about the change.
3. Even when choosing "Threaded" in my view settings it doesn't display as threaded at all.
4. Clicking on the post # to view it alone and *then* reply to that message is not intuitive and is more work for the user *and* the server compared to the old way.

Slashdot is broken.


No shit, Sherlock. If you were to read the front page - specifically this story [slashdot.org] - before bitching, you'd know that the admins are aware of the problem, they know what caused it, they know how to fix it, and they've announced when the fix will happen.

It's not like it's buried in some obscure bug report or something, and it's not like they went and deliberately changed something without warning you. It's on the FRONT PAGE.

Parent [slashdot.org]

Re: Consumers are wierd (1)

PoderOmega (677170) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789593)

This is not a justification for the PS3 price. I think its high. But I do think this phenomenon is interesting.) Fabulous new mobile phone, lots of bells and whistles = people happily pay $500 Fabulous new video iPod, lots of nice features = people giddily pay $500 Fabulous new game console, nex-gen features = people freak out, say $500 is way way too much. Uhh... how did this get modded interesting? There are no $500 iPods. I know there are $500 phones but the only people I know that have these phones were paid for by their place of work. Most people that have $300 phones got them heavily discounted with a plan. Unless you were talking about currency other than USD, I am not sure where you got these numbers.

Hang on a mo... (2, Interesting)

GregWebb (26123) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789615)

(UK reader here)

I paid GBP99 for my PS2, but that was late in its life.

I'm really pretty sure that it debuted at GBP299, as did the X-Box and the original PlayStation. I think the Saturn debuted at GBP399.

299.00 GBP = 570.145 USD (From XE.com)

Now, I'm aware that we tend to get pretty badly screwed on new electronics, but still...

(And also, this does rather suggest there is a market for this sort of thing at that cost level.)

Re:That's good...Good, good for them (1)

numbski (515011) | more than 7 years ago | (#16789787)

Meh. I'll do what I've always done: wait for the price to drop. I won't pay that much for a game console, period. Once upon a time, my hard and fast limit was $100. In recent years it's been $150. $200 is my upward limit right now, and both the 360 and the PS3 exceed that. I'll wait, kthx.

That $500 cell phone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16790003)

I see the comments about people paying $500 for a cell phone. Well, the price you pay comes from how much you get in a tiny amount of space. I could also make the argument that people pay $3000 for a 1 carat diamond. That doesn't justify the PS3's price. The thing is huge, and most of the useful features are available on a competing console for $200 less.

Re: Good price (1)

maglor_83 (856254) | more than 7 years ago | (#16790027)

16788439 [slashdot.org]
You have to remember that with Blu-Ray, the PS3 is easily worth more than Sony is charging, as evidenced by the fact that Sony is taking a loss on each one sold.
No, that just means that its not worth making. Though not really. To me, its definitely not worth the price. To others, its well worth it.

It's too bad we can't reply to threads (2, Insightful)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#16790037)

Because then I'd say that Sony continues to not grok that we have other choices - xBox360 and Wii for example - that mean that $600 USD is indeed far too high, when we can get more cool games without a useless Blu-Ray laser device 90 percent of us don't need in the first place.

Plus, given Sony's prior track record, and high record of first-release failure with tech (remember the first PS2 boxen?), why should we want to pay for such things?

Re:Consumers are weird. (1)

PhunWithPhysics (920024) | more than 7 years ago | (#16790347)

"Fabulous new mobile phone, lots of bells and whistles = people happily pay $500" Even the highly touted (and supposidly expensive) RAZR phone can be had with a commitment for around $50. Most phones are in that range (or cheaper) with 1 or 2 year plans. And the people who buy the more expensive ones are few and far in between, most people are perfectly happy with the one that comes free with the plan. "Fabulous new video iPod, lots of nice features = people giddily pay $500" According to Apple's store, the 30GB iPod video retails for $250, and the 80GB version for $350, a far cry from $500. "Fabulous new game console, nex-gen features = people freak out, say $500" Because game consoles that have succeeded have always cost in the $200-$300 range. And its not "just $500", it is "Starting at $500"

Re:Hang on a mo... (1)

tilandal (1004811) | more than 7 years ago | (#16790856)

You have to remeber that the exchange rate today does not equal the exchange rate when the PS2 was released. When the PS2 was released in 2000 it coast 299 GBP and the exchange rate was 1.4:1 This would put the PS2 price at $418 USD. You also have to remember that 299GBP incuded VAT and the $299 USD price does not include sales tax.

Re:Consumers are weird. (1)

tilandal (1004811) | more than 7 years ago | (#16790882)

Some people are willing to pay those prices but not many. There have been a total of only 70 million ipods sold and the average selling price was well below $500. Very few people own $500 phones and those that do usualy have thier phone purchase subsidized. There are a group of people who will pay $600 for a PS3 and they tend to be the same group of people who will pay $500 for a phone or ipod but the majority of people who own a PS2 will not be willing to pay $600 for a PS3

Re:Consumers are weird. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16790916)

I call BS on this post.

It's suppose to be a general consumer product. Hence the additions of blue-ray to get it into more living rooms.

If it is just for that %1 hard core console gamer market then the PS3 will suceeed. But if they want it to be like a a multimedia center then no, There's better products at a lower price.

Oh really? (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 7 years ago | (#16791068)

Sony Firm on PS3 Pricing
Great, cause I'm firm on not buying a PS3. This is a match made in heaven.

Re:Hang on a mo... (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 7 years ago | (#16791522)

AU Reader here

Sony's PS3 will sell at AU$999 for the basic version which sells for $500 USD.

Now going to XE.com AU$999 translates to US$768. that's over 50% more for Aussie customers.

Whist I can certainly sympathise with you bits we are getting a worse shafting over here.

Just for a healthy comparison:

Xbox360: US$300/AU$550 for the basic version, so we Australians are paying $422 USD which is a bit better at less than 50%.

Wii: US$250/AU$400 so back to XE: we pay $306 USD, which is a little over 20% more. That I can swallow.

BTW: the AUD is currently 0.767 USD. Plus the Wii will be released this year (December), the PS3 is not slated for an Australian release until March 07.

Re:Price / Console differences (1)

motank (867244) | more than 7 years ago | (#16791734)

well i mean, if i'm already gonna be paying 500 i might as well go the extra hundred and get the premium whatever it is, so i'm not so bad off when the upgrades start coming

Re:Hang on a mo... (1)

malf-uk (456583) | more than 7 years ago | (#16792066)

Now, I'm aware that we tend to get pretty badly screwed on new electronics, but still...

and not forgetting we pay 17.5% VAT which is more than double the highest US sales tax.

Re:Consumers are weird. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16792276)

Sorry but your comparisons don't work. I can carry my cell and MP3 player in my pocket anywhere I go. I don't see myself being able to do that with the PS3. Also on everything you compaired there are many other versions that are avaliable for a much lower price. I mean I'm sorry but everyone doesn't buy a $500 Cell phone or Ipod if they don't need it. The PS3 is like those $500 cell phones in one way tho. I know tons of people that look at the cell phones and go "dang I'd like one of those, but I'm not buying it for $500. I'll just stick with the $150 version." I see the PS3 going the same way. People are going to go "I'd like one but I think I will get a Wii or a Xbox now and then wait for the PS3 to drop in price."

Telling. (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#16793792)

He also said the true test for the PS3, Xbox 360 and Nintendo's forthcoming Wii would be next year when the consoles are all available at retailers and consumers have a true choice.


I find this quote very telling.

We've gone from "the next generation doesn't start until we say it does" to "the true test isn't until next Christmas when we finally have our act together". This isn't the attitude and strategy of a winner.

It's good to hear Kaz reiterate that they're on track for 2 million/4 million (although I thought they were going for 6 million in March). I was concerned they wouldn't be able to do that given their current issues. Still, while they delay when the competition really begins, their competitors are raking in money, market share, and mass appeal.

PS2 vs PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16794338)

So how different are the PS2 and PS3...I mean...so it's a little more advanced...big deal...i doubt there was this big a jump in prices between the PS1 and PS2. For $500 you could get 2 PS2 right now...so this price is outrageous for 1 gaming unit.
What were the retailers thinking? That this unit is so special that people will just willingly hand over $500? I don't think so.
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