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Hacking XBox 360 HD-DVD To Play On XP

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the cheap-HD dept.

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Dan writes, "The XBox 360's affordable HD-DVD, with the help of some custom drivers and a specific player, has been hacked to work with any Windows XP machine. This may have created the cheapest HD-DVD player on the market to date."

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/.'d before /.'ing? (3, Funny)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825888)

Wow, the link is dead before the article is even up.

-Rick

Re:/.'d before /.'ing? (1)

chowdy (992689) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825928)

microsoft got to it first!!

er, n/m it's back now (nt) (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825934)

no text.

Re:/.'d before /.'ing? (1)

thejrwr (1024073) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825940)

haha well thats the /. effect at its finest

Still dead (1)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826156)

It's returning a 404 error that the article can't be found. Either Micro$oft got to 'em before Slashdot could or they moved the article to avoid killing their server.

Re:/.'d before /.'ing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826268)

Now at least, we can be sure nobody RTFA!

Re:/.'d before /.'ing? (3, Informative)

monkeySauce (562927) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826554)

cache link for the lazy and ununiformed:

http://uneasysilence.com.nyud.net:8090/archive/200 6/11/8303/ [nyud.net]

Re:/.'d before /.'ing? (1)

eldepeche (854916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826964)

Cache link appears to be /.'ed.

DVD-HD or Blu-ray (0, Troll)

thejrwr (1024073) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825902)

Tho, To me ive seen more Blu-ray discs being sold then DVD-HD discs, tho i only watch the discovery channel now of days

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (4, Funny)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825990)

Tho, To me ive seen more Blu-ray discs being sold then DVD-HD discs, tho i only watch the discovery channel now of days

Man, you sound like the anti-Baysian stuff I see at the bottom of spam nowadays.

(laugh, it's a joke ;-)

Cheers

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (2, Funny)

thejrwr (1024073) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826072)

I'm only 10 years old, my grammer is not the best yet,

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826118)

I'm only 10 years old...

Which means you obviously get out a lot to stores that'd have BluRay and HD-DVD titles. Y'know, some places put them way up on the third or fourth shelf, so you may not have been able to see them...

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (2)

thejrwr (1024073) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826218)

no, but i was mostly looking for DVD ads and such, i browse the internet ALOT too, and i noticed ALOT more blu-ray ads then HD-DVD, tho some times they would offer both

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826632)

Go outside. Play baseball with your friends or something. There's plenty of time later to be introverted and browse slashdot all day, hating the government. Though before then, perhaps you should learn that marketing does not necessarily equal sales.

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826690)

A few comments:

"A lot" is two words.
"Tho" should be spelled "though."
"Sometimes" is one word.
"I" should be capitalized.
Every word that begins a sentence should be capitalized.

It's ok to be a dumb kid, but you don't want to grow up to be a dumb adult, so work on that grammar/spelling.

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826134)

Oh my... you shouldn't be on slashdot yet then... this place will rot your brain. The first thing to remember is that, more often than not, the views expressed here are not related to the real world in any way.

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827486)

I'm only 10 years old, my grammer is not the best yet,

Well, hopefully she'll get better over time. :-P

(If you are 10, or working on your grammar, I do sincerely apologize, the openings are just too sweet to resist. ;-)

Cheers

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (0, Offtopic)

thejrwr (1024073) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826100)

haha got to love the mod system on ./

    40% Flamebait
    30% Insightful
    30% Overrated

MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

(Thats just my view tho)

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (4, Informative)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826466)

HD DVD discs are outselling Blu-Ray discs by a large margin, at least at Amazon.

http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm [thedvdwars.com]

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16827182)

*BSD is for People who Love *nix; Linux is for People who Hate Windows

Alternative: BSD is for People who have old hardware. Linux is for people who want their hardware to work.

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (0, Offtopic)

orasio (188021) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827290)

In Korea, only old dying people use BSD.
Netcraft confirms it.

Re:DVD-HD or Blu-ray (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826488)

The price of a player has to sting though, they should have called it "sting ray" and then I would have bought one just out of respect for ridding us of that irritating Irwin fella.

it's all in the pricing (0)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825932)

this certainly proves that the players can and should be a lot cheaper because the hardware required doesn't cost too much. And clearly the maker of the drive for the 360 could be selling them to PC users if they took the time to write a driver. Why don't they? I bet Microsoft is behind it somehow with an exclusivity contract or whatever. But really, what's the point since I've never even seen an actual computer monitor (not LCD TV/monitor) that can display in full HD. So yay you can watch HD-DVDs but they won't look a whole lot better, right?

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

thejrwr (1024073) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825972)

no, but its good for ripping the movies, i can see the flood of HD-DVDs on p2p and bt even now

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826624)

well, since I'm sure this will be a story here eventually, I'll just post it now.
OMG! The internet as a whole is going to crash and burn and we're all going to have to live in trees and eat berries and nuts because the 110% of internet traffic that's bittorent traffic is now carrying even larger HD resolution movie files! AHHH!!

Re:it's all in the pricing (3, Informative)

Lord Apathy (584315) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826784)

I'm not sure it's even good for that. The content is encrypted differently than what is on a standard DVD so the current flock of rippers won't be able to rip them. I'm not even sure that there are some HD rippers in the works or what there status is.

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

FLEB (312391) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825992)

This certainly proves that the players can and should be a lot cheaper because the hardware required doesn't cost too much.

Not necessarily. They're likely subsidizing the cost of the box with licensing from the games. Since a generic HD-DVD doesn't have that lock-in, generic vendors need to recoup all cost in the sale of the unit.

Re:it's all in the pricing (5, Informative)

Kenja (541830) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826042)

"I've never even seen an actual computer monitor (not LCD TV/monitor) that can display in full HD"

You've never seen a computer able to display 1920x1080?

Re:it's all in the pricing (3, Interesting)

Malc (1751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826800)

My Sony 19" G400 monitor from the year 2000 officially goes to 1800x1440. That's HD. It can 720p. It's just a little shy of 1080i/p, but then it's the wrong aspect ratio anyway.

From my personal experience, a Dell 2407 does HD. Not a bad price either. The controller chip has problems with a 1080 signal though, even though it supports the resolution. The recent BenQ FP241W can do 1080p, but it doesn't do 1:1 pixel mapping, and unfortunately stretches 16:9 1080p image to 16:10. Sounds like a firmware issue to me. These are popular affordable computer monitors. There are definitely computer monitors that can do this, unless you're living in a cave.

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

spathi-wa (575009) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827410)

the BenQ will only stretch the image if driven by an HD device directly. Using software to drive the display should allow the user to letterbox the output and get 1:1 pixel mapping, I guess.

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827768)

Yes correct. I do think it makes their "mulitmedia" label a little tenuous as it requires use with a computer to working properly. It's still an awesome monitor, but it's not meeting the expectations of some people who are trying to plug in set top boxes and game consoles. Why have HDMI, component, RCA, etc if they were only planning to support computers? Multiple of each DVI and analogue D-Sub connectors would have been sufficient, and more useful.

My current resolution is HD too (1)

DrYak (748999) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827434)

Typing on a 21" DELL 1110P monitor, with resolution 1920 x 1440 @ 80Hz.

The monitor was recovered from my University's trash, and after soldering a resistor [hutzelman.com] it works again as if it was brand new.

So basically, it's a HD-grade monitor I got almost for free (the CRT was from garbage, the resistor was given by a friend. The solder metal is the only thing that cost me actually something).

I could play HD-DVD, I only need to see some patch emerge from the libdecss team or from DVDJon and be integrated into VLC or Xine (some researchers have already reported that the HD-DVD DRM is flawed, as reported previously on slashdot).

Re:My current resolution is HD too (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827732)

Sounds sweet. I guess it's just a matter of removing the HDCP requirement.

Re:it's all in the pricing (2, Informative)

The Warlock (701535) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826126)

Lots of computer monitors can display 720p, and some of the more high-end ones can display 1080p. After all, 720p is just 1280x720 resolution. Computers have been doing better than that for quite some time (although it's a big step above the 640x480 that a standard def TV does).

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

jdcope (932508) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826250)

Doesnt matter...the DRM will "dumb it down" anyway, unless you have a true digital HDMI connection. Then it looks just like regular DVD. So whats the point?

Re:it's all in the pricing (2, Informative)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826506)

There are a lot of monitors that are HDCP compatible.

I have one.

The other trick is more having a graphics card that is HDCP compatible. Those are hard to come by, but most of the newer ones are.

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827274)

It's not HDMI that's the issue, it's HDCP. The Dell 2407 monitor does HDCP over DVI. You can even connect a BD or HD player to it from their HDMI output via a HDMI->DVI adapter. The BenQ FP241W supports HDCP over both it's HDMI & DVI ports.

I don't get your point about it looking like a "regular DVD" if you have a "true digital HDMI connection". I'm even sure what you mean by the latter.

Re:it's all in the pricing (1, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826176)

Like all things Xbox, MS is taking a loss in order to gain market share. That's the only way MS thinks that it can take on Sony which in already entrenched. If Xbox was a separate company, it would have gone bankrupt by now. All in all, Xbox has lost $4+ billion for MS.

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826508)

What evidence do you have that the HD-DVD player is being sold at a loss?

A lot of components needed for HD-dvd are not included in that player but are off-loaded to the 360/PC.

XBOX "loses" money for Microsoft (5, Insightful)

green pizza (159161) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827104)

All in all, Xbox has lost $4+ billion for MS.

The XBOX division of Microsoft has lost a lot of money, but it can be argued that XBOX has actually helped Microsoft in the long run.

Think of XBOX as a combination of Marketing and Insurance. By selling the XBOX, Microsoft ensures that their name and their products will be in even more stores and homes. By including Media Center Extender features in XBOX, Microsoft has a better chance of selling the Media Center version of Windows XP. By taking a huge chunk of the game market, Microsoft weakens Sony and Nintendo.

And the big one:

Ensuring a strong Direct X following. Most, if not all, XBOX games use Direct X libraries. There are only two platforms that can use true Direct X: Windows and XBOX. By keeping programmers on Direct X, Microsoft ensures that games will remain on Windows/XBOX and will difficult to port to other consoles and other OSes. The last thing Microsoft wants is developers to begin using cross-platform libraries which could allow for an OS transition sometime in the future. Besides, XBOX simply helps promote Direct X. Think of it: "Use Direct X, easily run your games on the most popular desktop OS and the second most popular game console without a major re-write!".

XBOX has been $4 Billion well spent. Expect iZunes to be a similar venture.

As a side example, consider Firefox vs IE 7. If you find yourself spending a majority of your computing time using Web 2.0 applications via Firefox, why use Windows at all? At that point you may as well just use Linux or FreeBSD to host your Firefox client, no need to spend money on Firefox. However, if your web app only works on IE 7, or works best on IE 7, then you have a soild reason to remain on Windows/IE7 platform.

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826184)

You must, however, remember that Microsoft sales the consoles at a loss.

They may sell them at a loss... (2, Funny)

Jennifer3000 (921441) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827758)

But they make it up in volume!

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826270)

Well, full HD is 1920x1080. Not too many monitors have that resolution natively. But once you get a 1280x1024 resolution monitor, you can display 720p resolution material natively [wikipedia.org] . You may be able to scale 1080P content down to your monitor's resolution. While 720P is not ideal, there is a remarkable difference. If you already have the monitor, this is the cheapest solution to watch HD movies on disc.

Or, it's a $200 solution to for a HTPC. With HD DVD players occasionally available in the US $360-$400 range, I'd opt for the player myself although an HTPC can have its advantages.

My understanding is that more manufacturers (besides Toshiba) will be making HD DVD players and I would expect such announcements to come out in January for CES. "Budget" Chinese players in the sub $300 range wouldn't be out of the question, in my mind.

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

nsayer (86181) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826562)

Well, full HD is 1920x1080. Not too many monitors have that resolution natively.

Here's one [apple.com] (actually, two: the 30" and the 23" one), and another [viewsonic.com] , and another [samsung.com] .

I'd say that HD capable computer monitors are not all that difficult to find.

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

tricorn (199664) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826814)

24" iMac ($1,999) is 1920x1200; so is the 23" Apple display ($999) (and, of course, the 30" Apple display ($1,999) can do 2560x1600, where a 1920x1080 image is only taking up 50% of the screen). You're right, though, that most "widescreen" computer monitors go up to only 1680x1050. Then again, most "HD" TVs don't do a full 1920x1080, either, only the higher-end ones.

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

aaronl (43811) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826494)

I have an eight year old CRT that I bought for $350 that will do 1080p. I also have a laptop that will do better (1920x1200) on a 15.1", and a standalone 20" LCD panels that will do that same resolution. You can pick up quite a few rather high quality LCD panels that will do 1920x1200 for around $400. Quite a few of my friends also have panels that are capable of 1080p, as well.

Of course, none of us really intend to buy an HD-DVD drive, or a Blu-Ray drive, or any commercial HD content for quite a while. The reasons for this are very simple: DRM and a format war.

This reply brought to you by 1920x1200 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826644)

1920x1200. Beyond 1920x1080. Less than $1000. You haven't been shopping for a flat panel recently, have you? :P

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827098)

But really, what's the point since I've never even seen an actual computer monitor (not LCD TV/monitor) that can display in full HD.

Huh? my 19" LCD computer monitor at home can, hell the Dell Laptop I have can. Have you been in a concentration camp for the past 2-3 years?

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827196)

I can crank this monitor up to 3000 and something pixels by whatever and it will actually display on the monitor but just because it can display it like that doesn't mean it's actually displaying it in that quality. You need to check on how many pixels the monitor itself is actually displaying regardless of the resolution. That's why I haven't seen many actual HD monitors that show every pixels, not just display big resolutions. I think it's due to the fact that most HD LCD TV's are like 30+ inches so they can make each pixel bigger. When you try to fit that many pixels into a 17" area for example, they have to be so small and thus expensive that it's really not worth it.

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827482)

Why would you even want a 17" monitor that can display 1920 pixels across? I have a three year old Dell laptop that I run at 1280x800 because I get too much eye strain running it at it's native resolution of 1920x1200. In fact, why you even want a 17" display - other than my laptop screen, I haven't used anything smaller than 19" for 7 or 8 years. I don't know where you're looking, but there are a lot of sub 30" LCD screens that handle 1080p just fine. I don't think size is an issue here either, otherwise how was my Dell laptop affordable three years ago?

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827258)

But really, what's the point since I've never even seen an actual computer monitor (not LCD TV/monitor) that can display in full HD.

I run a 21" Apple Studio Display VGA CRT at 2048x1536 (QXGA) as my primary display at home which exceeds the 1920x1080 resolution of HD, which is as high as my KVM switch will support.

Though it seems with the definition of HD resolutions, I find that displays much greater than them now demand premium prices, and you can't get much bigger (2560x1600 16:10 WQXGA (dual-link DVI)) without going multi-head. See the wiki page on display resolution [wikipedia.org]

Re:it's all in the pricing (1)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827260)

I've never even seen an actual computer monitor (not LCD TV/monitor) that can display in full HD.

You mean unlike the iMac I have sitting at home which runs at 1920x1200? My PC is running two monitors at 2560x1024 and does so with no problem. And that's one of countless displays that support resolutions that high, if not higher.

People talk like HD is something new, but PCs have supported those resolutions for years. It's not like everything is going to jump to 1080p any time soon anyway, the focus will likely be on 720p for a while, which isn't a high resolution at all as far as PCs are concerned.

199$ is cheap? (2, Informative)

Kenja (541830) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825960)

Given that there are a number of IDE & SATA drives hitting the market for under 150$ I guess I just dont see what the big deal is.

Re:199$ is cheap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826168)

Would you care to point them out? Not trying to be snarky as I'd be very interested in SATA HD-DVD drive for my HTPC. Especially for south of $150.

Re:199$ is cheap? (0, Troll)

ookabooka (731013) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826338)

"Given that there are a number of IDE & SATA drives hitting the market for under 150$ I guess I just dont see what the big deal is."

Yeah, because blockbuster is definately gonna be renting out SATA drives soon. . .The reason why it is worth it is because the media will be worth pennies (if that). Say you wanted to store x gigaquads of data (I love the word gigaquads, yes I know it's meaningless). Would you buy zillions of SATA hard drives or 1 hd-dvd burner drive, and zillions of discs. They are apples and oranges, you cant really compare them like that.

Re:199$ is cheap? (1)

MrWim (760798) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826496)

boh!

Re:199$ is cheap? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826954)

... what?

You, um, do realize that SATA and IDE aren't synonymous with "hard drive" right? The poster is referring to SATA and IDE HD-DVD drives. And I've never heard of _anyone_ renting a disk drive at Blockbuster, so I guess I'm not sure what the hell you're even talking about.

If we're talking about apples and oranges, you're talking about friggin' carrots or something...

Re:199$ is cheap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16827436)

He doesn't mean SATA hard drives, he means SATA HD-DVD drives.

Agreed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826648)

Although it does save money if you don't want to buy two seperate drives for your Xbox and computer. As someone who will watch HD-DVD on my TV fairly often, but only use HD-DVD on my computer occasionally, this is a nice development.

Astounding (2, Insightful)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825968)

Someone got a USB device to work on a computer with USB ports! What will they think of next? Can we have a new word that means what "hack" used to mean?

Re:Astounding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826240)

yeah its called poser... I find most people with the knowledge to be be called "hackers" really hate the term... its thrown around too much and instantly drops credibility when attached to someone. seriously we should just drop its use entirely. let the media have it already..

SS

Pick one (1)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826292)

http://dict.die.net/hack/ [die.net]

The first entry might just be what you were looking for.

Re:Astounding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826650)

I vote for Freln.
Usage:
I frelned
I am frelning
I will freln

Re:Astounding (4, Insightful)

aiken_d (127097) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827040)

USB is an electrical interface, with some standard logical extensions. There are these things called "drivers" that are needed to get devices to work, if those drivers aren't built into the underlying OS. A USB plug in itself does not mean compatibility -- if you have any doubt of this, run down to a local computer store and look at all of the USB peripherals that specify what platforms and operating systems they will work with.

A "hack" is generally accepted to mean a clever approach to achieving something by bending the rules; by using things in ways they weren't intended; or by coming up with a more clever approach than what was previously accepted.

Now that you know all of that, I'm you'll agree that getting an HD-DVD drive that was intended for use on an xbox 360 to work on Windows does indeed qualify as a "hack." I hope this clears things up for you!

-b

Re:Astounding (3, Interesting)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827338)

They took a device that was already hardware-compatible with a PC, found (not built, found) drivers to work with it, and called it a hack. You can call searching for drivers a hack if you want to but I don't buy into that definition. I lost the floppy disks for an old video card once and had to find drivers that didn't exactly match but were good enough. Was that a hack too? Not in my book.

Application available to public (5, Informative)

Skaber (1017606) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825970)

Xboxhacker forums has links that points directly to the files. http://localhostr.com/files/c46c39057dc3fbe73d9f.r ar [localhostr.com] Xboxhacker points out that there is currently no available PC player for hddvd, so all you get is access to the dvd content.

Re:Application available to public (3, Informative)

CerebusUS (21051) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826348)

Xboxhacker points out that there is currently no available PC player for hddvd

This is the part everyone is missing. Allowing the USB HD-DVD drive to work on your PC buys you absolutely nothing at the moment. The importnat parts are all done in software on the 360.

Re:Application available to public (1, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826766)

This is the part everyone is missing. Allowing the USB HD-DVD drive to work on your PC buys you absolutely nothing at the moment.
This is the part that you're missing... this allows you to play HD-DVDs on your PC... since there are no PC HD-DVD players, this is a new capability.

As to
The importnat parts are all done in software on the 360.

Well, of course, unless you intend to watch a HD-DVD movie. The point isn't the games, it's the other HD-DVD content.

Re:Application available to public (2, Insightful)

CerebusUS (21051) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827406)

No, see you missed it again.

this allows you to play HD-DVDs on your PC

The only HD DVD content there is right now? Movies. There's NO software available for your PC to play those movies. So you can hook up the drive, you can access the drive, you can look at the data structure on an HD-DVD movie, but you can't actually play the movie that's there.

When you buy this device, it comes with an installation disc for your 360. That installation disc loads the software HD-DVD player onto your 360... the drive itself doesn't know anything about how to play those movies. Hooking this drive up to your PC will not let watch that HD-DVD King Kong movie you rented from netflix.

Clearer?

Re:Application available to public (2, Informative)

masteroffm (1026700) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826884)

actually with the nvidia purevideo codec and the right drivers playback for blu-ray and hd-dvd is currently available http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_hd.html [nvidia.com]

Re:Application available to public (1)

sycotic (26352) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827838)

*sheesh* RTFA dude, they discuss what software will play HD-DVD content ;)

obligatory (-1, Flamebait)

MrAnnoyanceToYou (654053) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825978)

Yeah, but does it run...

Blu-Ray?

So where do I .... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#16825998)

get a copy of BluRayDecryptor or anyBluRay or BluRayShrink?

I would love to take the main movie and convert it into a nice HD mpeg4 for mediaportal system.

Re:So where do I .... (1)

srk2040 (973509) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826898)

HD-DVD is not bluray, HD-DVD is just more layer on top of existing DVD format. I believe Microsoft was backing HD-DVD while Sony was backing bluray.

uneazysilence.com was winner... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826032)

...most prophetic slashdotted domain name of 2006.

Hardly surprising, really (5, Insightful)

Samir Gupta (623651) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826040)

The site paints this to be a cool hack that MS never intended, but really, Microsoft may have always intended for this to happen officially in the future. They already officially support Xbox 360 controller use on Windows, for instance and have released drivers. This is the logical next step.

Really, it's part of their strategy to converge the 360 and Windows gaming worlds together... witness the recent reorganization into a single games division, for instance.

Re:Hardly surprising, really (5, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826162)

I have a hunch that if this were to happen, it would only be supported under Vista.

Re:Hardly surprising, really (1)

eemerton (980318) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826848)

I agree. Microsoft knew this thing would work on a PC. This is Microsoft pushing the HD-DVD platform. With Sony having their drive built into the PS3, it's awfully tempting to just buy Microsoft's external player.

Cheapest HD-DVD player? What? (5, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826098)

This may have created the cheapest HD-DVD player on the market to date.
Excuse me, but last time I checked, a computer running Windows XP wasn't free. Some people have Macs, others have PCs running Linux/BSD/etc.

Saying that it's the cheapest HD-DVD player because you can hack it to work with a PC running Windows XP is as stupid as saying it's the cheapest HD-DVD player because you only have to connect it to your Xbox 360.

Re:Cheapest HD-DVD player? What? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826388)

It is generally assumed that possessing an XP system is a given, much like that you breathe air or eat food. Imagine someone touting "the cheapest food on Earth" and you're like "excuse me, some of us are fed intravenously".

Re:Cheapest HD-DVD player? What? (4, Insightful)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826472)

This is a fair point, and you're certainly not wrong. But I think there's some value in the comment, since I'm pretty sure the penetration of computers running XP is three orders of magnitude higher than the penetration of the XBox 360.

So, yes, it's only cheapest if you already own a PC running XP, but that includes an awful lot of people - most of whom don't have 360. So, for them, it could be the cheapest HD-DVD player available.

Nonetheless, you're right; presenting it as an absolute statement is poor logic.

Re:Cheapest HD-DVD player? What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826566)

A computer may not be free, but together with one of these Xbox HD-DVD drives, it can still be significantly cheaper than your average home theater setup and an HD-DVD player.

Re:Cheapest HD-DVD player? What? (1)

tokul (682258) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826806)

You don't need xbox in order to buy xbox hd-dvd player.

It is USB drive.

Mac recognized it and was able to play DVD content.

Once you have HD-DVD player program for Mac, Mac should play HD-DVD content just fine.

They haven't tested xbox hd-dvd player on Linux or BSD yet, but I suspect that it will work on Linux and BSD.

Re:Cheapest HD-DVD player? What? (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827528)

Once you have HD-DVD player program for Mac, Mac should play HD-DVD content just fine.

Any chance a Mac with Final Cut Studio or just the latest DVD Studio Pro, capable of authoring high-definition DVDs would be able to play movies from this device?

Are these drives (and an HD-DVD movie) rentable so I can test this myself?

I Can See The Interest In This... (1)

Real World Stuff (561780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826128)

But I prefer to watch HD movies on my HD television. Movies on my windows box are usually run in the background while I do other things. Now with a media center PC I can send movies to the 360, and one could use the HD-DVD to do that function. But, why not just hook it to the 360 anyway?

All in all I'm a fan of any opportunity to have low cost hardware available because an OEM is willing to take a loss.

Fight the power! (0, Offtopic)

pfz (965654) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826304)

Be free to do what you want with what you own! It's almost as if Microsoft thinks people will ignore good harware at a low price just because of some silly software. All hail the original X-Box hacker bunnie and his badass book, Hacking the XBox...

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Re:Fight the power! (1)

rivetgeek (977479) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827114)

Gee thanks for spamming slashdot, retard.

Not really news (3, Informative)

skyman8081 (681052) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826326)

There was a post on AVS Forum by a member who works at MS not too long ago about using the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive on a PC. His reply that It isn't supported only in the sense that MS didn't test it for the PC, but there was nothing specifically being done to prevent it being used on a PC. So I'm really not surprised that it is being done this quickly to be perfectly honest.

Mac Support? (0)

tji (74570) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826334)

The article mentioned that it was recognized as a valid USB device (no surprise there), and the DVD Player.app started up when they inserted a DVD. But, there was no app able to play a Blue-Ray disc.

BR DVD playback would make an excellent addition to my core duo Mac Mini HTPC.. I wonder if MacOS 10.5 (Leopard) will have Blue Ray support?

Re:Mac Support? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826454)

This is an external HD-DVD USB drive, not an external Blu-Ray USB drive.

Can't play BluRay 'cause it is a HD-DVD drive... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16827180)

The BluRay and HD-DVD are different standards... It is a hardware compatibility issue. Have to wait for dual standards drives next year.

As for playing HD-DVD, it is a matter of software.

XP, why? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826404)

I'm surprised that this wasn't done on a linux box. It'd be : a) cheaper, and b) cooler. Now M$ will just throw a sock in the works to fuck it up, somehow.

  http://lyricslist.com/ [lyricslist.com]

No doubt MSFT will "patch" against it (2, Informative)

lawaetf1 (613291) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826552)

Since I'm sure the EULA prohibits one from tampering with the hardware of the X360, I'm sure M$ will patch XP to disable any such hack. Get it to work on Linux though... /didn't RTFA, can't.

Was on Hack-a-Day earlier... (1)

gripen40k (957933) | more than 7 years ago | (#16826782)

Couldn't get it to work on there [hackaday.com] either...

No thanks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16826838)

I won't bother with either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray until we start seeing them thoroughly hacked at the very least.

DRM sucks and I won't put up with it, period.

Why is the drive priced so low? (3, Interesting)

speedphreak (834189) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827030)

Is the drive priced low to act as a Microsoft subsidized loss-leader to help establish the HD-DVD format. Or, is the hardware really that inexpensive, and the vendors are milking the early adopters for all they're worth?

Re:Why is the drive priced so low? (1)

Rico_Suave (147634) | more than 7 years ago | (#16827120)

Probably because it's the Xbox 360 itself that's doing most of the heavy lifting. All the HD-DVD add-on has to do is read the raw data off the disc and send it over to the 360 for processing.

Re:Why is the drive priced so low? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16827472)

All the HD-DVD add-on has to do is read the raw data off the disc and send it over to the 360 for processing.
I believe what you meant to say is 'All the HD-DVD add-on has to do is read the raw (encrypted) data off the disc, encrypt it (again), obfuscated it, flash hand signs to the xbox 360 and get a correct response, then send the bits to the xbox 36.0
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