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Final PS3 Launch List Shows 13 Games For America

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the lucky-number dept.

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Wowzer writes "Sony's PlayStation 3 is set to arrive this week on November 17th. With just 400,000 units available at launch in the USA, and an unknown number of game consoles arriving the rest of year. The total is expected to be below 1 million units in 2006, as a result many publishers have decided to delay their games so more time can be spent polishing them. From the article: 'Remember you'll have other ways to entertain yourself with the PS3 aside from it's multimedia capabilities. From day one you'll be able to download small games (plus their demos to give them a try first) and while Sony hasn't announced any specifics like price and release dates yet, count on Sony's PS3 download games like flOw & Blast Factor to be there.' From minor delays like Need for Speed: Carbon being delayed until November 20. To big launch lineup losses like MotorStorm which was delayed to March, 2007. The PS3 launch will now have 13 titles including Resistance: Fall of Man, Call of Duty 3, Genji: Days of the Blade and Ridge Racer 7."

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Uhhuh (3, Funny)

TodMinuit (1026042) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839038)

Remember you'll have other ways to entertain yourself with the PS3 aside from it's multimedia capabilities.

$600 plus frostbite to do what my computer can already do. That's fantastic. Sign me up, sir.

Re:Uhhuh (2, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839298)

$600 plus frostbite to do what my computer can already do.

Shit, you need that too? I'm in central Texas, where am I going to get frostbite?!

Re:Uhhuh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16839808)

IMHO this generation of games has gone back to the PC as the ulimate gaming platform. I don't want a Xbox360, ps3, or a Wii. xbox360=bunch of games already out on pc but with a bad controller, actually costing anything to go on Live, Microsoft. Wii=ancient graphics (nice for historians or people who want to research what games used to look like), gimmick controller (from a company noted for failed gimmick controllers). PS3=everything and the kitchen sink, unfortunately if you already have a kitchen sink your stuck paying for it and a load of other electronics that I am completely uninterested in (WTF am I going to do with a blu-ray player, I don't even know where to get a blu-ray disc, no way am I "investing" in it) from the people that brought you the failed UMD format. And than my pc, cost-effective, upgradeable to bleeding edge if I so desire, comes in my spiffy home made wooden case, plays the latest games, has Internet, in fact has everything the other have except for the stuff I couldn't give a damn about - gimmick controller, unused format players.

Re:Uhhuh (1, Troll)

not already in use (972294) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840594)

PC is cost effective? Are you insane? Even if you spend $3000 on a PC and you will never get the kind of graphics that the PS3 is capable of running at a 1080 resolution. Half your system resources are dedicated to running a bloated and inneficient operating system. You're $3000 system will be worth half that a year later -- if you're lucky. A year from now, PS3 will still retail for, tada, $600. But whatever your smokin, I want some.

Re:Uhhuh (1)

StarvingSE (875139) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840882)

Welllll, a PC is more than games. Web surfing, (gasp!) productivity, and e-mails to mom all included. Ok, ok, the topic is games, so let's talk about that. My machine costs me less than $1000 (ok, I reuse the case and power supply), and I can run games with graphics on par with anything I've seen from the PS3. Plus, I can download user-created content for most of the games I play. You'll have to pay for add-ons for the PS3, and only if its offered.

Your PS3 will not retail for $600 a year from now. What are you smokin?

Re:Uhhuh (1)

not already in use (972294) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841272)

I beg to differ. Its been a year since 360 came out, and it retails for just as much. Good luck finding any PC with graphics on par with Gears of War. If you think you're computer could run fall of man at 1080i looking as good as ps3, once again, give me what you're smokin on.

Re:Uhhuh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16841788)

I have a XFX GeForce 7950 GX2 in my $3000 system and it is more than capable of whooping anything the PS3 can produce...but lo and behold...there was extreme premium to be paid. The PS3 will do an excellent job at eye candy and it is more simplistic to use due to the OS issues etc..., but to say it is capable of more than a high-end gaming rig is simply ridiculous.

Re:Uhhuh (2, Interesting)

Babbster (107076) | more than 7 years ago | (#16842196)

Even if you spend $3000 on a PC and you will never get the kind of graphics that the PS3 is capable of running at a 1080 resolution.

I think you need to scale back your hyperbole a bit. If one goes with the new Nvidia 8800 (particularly in SLI) on your hypothetical "$3000" PC, doing PS3 level graphics at 1920x1080 will hardly be a problem. Take a look at what this card can do in Oblivion [hardocp.com] if you need more information.

Note that I'm not a PC gamer these days at all since my [already old] PC broke down and I've been too cheap and lazy to replace it. In fact, I much prefer console gaming, and would agree that generally consoles provide a better gaming value than the PC. But, if one is willing to spend "the big bucks" (I consider "big bucks" to be $2,000 and up) on their gaming PC, they can definitely get to the level of PS3 launch-game graphics and beyond.

Re:Uhhuh (1)

kalirion (728907) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840182)

Or what most people's computers will be able to do once they plop down $600 for a graphics card.

Re:Uhhuh (1)

oc255 (218044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840706)

Assuming they have PCI-E. Yes, good AGP cards exist. But if they have AGP, do they have equivalent system memory? If so, is their processor up-to-date? Do they have a 400w+ power supply? Can this $600 PC card do HDR+AA effects?

I don't want to start a flamewar. It's just that sometimes I think PCs carry a certain illustion of upgradability. At some point, you junk your car and start over (forklift upgrade). I've been through the card->motherboard->cpu/memory PC upgrade dependency treadmill enough times to "pshaw" at simple "PCs are extensible" statement.

Re:Uhhuh (2, Insightful)

StarvingSE (875139) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841008)

I've been using the same setup for the past 4 years: Athlon XP 2500 oc'ed to 3200 speed, a gig of ram, and more than enough HD space. Initially cost me about $700 for the setup. The only thing I've done is buy a new mid-range vid card and another gig of cheap memory. I can play all the games I want, even oblivion, at max or damn near close to max details. Plus I get custom content online for some games, and I do use it for programming and dual boot to linux to get my open source fix. PC's are more extensible plus more flexible than the PS3.

Re:Uhhuh (1)

asc99c (938635) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841506)

Well you can upgrade stuff at the appropriate rate. If you've got an AGP motherboard it's most likely time to upgrade the whole MB/CPU/RAM/GPU if the performance is lacking. I did that a little under 3 years ago when S939/PCI-E was fairly new. Didn't waste money on top-end CPU / graphics, but did get the best motherboard, and nice PC4000 DDR.

Hopefully the basic system will last another few years, but yeah eventually the incremental upgradability will run out and I'll need to do another big upgrade.

It will run so hot... (1)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840390)

that you can put your extremeties next to the power source. That will prevent frostbite.

Re:Uhhuh (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841014)

Yes, but how many people plug their PC into their tv? Maybe they just don't like the slow load times, hassles of navigating a system not designed to be used as a gaming platform, messing with constant security problems, or having the whole system crash in the middle of a game. Although the biggest strike against the PC gaming platform in my experience is that it's hard for gamers to know, without trying to install and run the program, if a game will run on their hardware.

PC's suck for the most part and because for most PC games Windows is required you can never expect to have a smooth experience. Windows never works really well but I'm thinking Windows doesn't like my Core 2 Duo CPU. Everything works fine in Linux even under heavy usage, all components have passed a stress test with no problems found, but Windows crashes frequently and especially during games or when running the Folding @ Home client.

I don't think people like dealing with PC issues during their relaxation time.

ps3 (-1, Troll)

thejrwr (1024073) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839076)

The ps3 will do well, i think its going to sell more then a million units this year *MAYBE* but i know it will in early 2007

Re:ps3 (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839256)

You do realize they can only sell what exists, right? The summary is saying that there won't BE a million units to sell in the US.

Re:ps3 (1)

CarnivoreMan (827905) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839288)

Thats quite the bold statement you made there.... ....except, ya know... not.

Sell more than they make (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16839384)

Wow, so you believe that Sony is going to sell more units than they can produce?

Re:Sell more than they make (3, Funny)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839586)

Well, 400k units sold by retailers and then 400k units sold on ebay, thats 800k, pretty close.

Re:Sell more than they make (1)

Draracle (977916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840350)

Maybe they hope that the systems will be resold enough to bring down the loss_per_unit_sold ratio. Could that be the mysterious "???" in their profit equation?

Re:ps3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16839398)

Go back to digg.

Full Launch List (4, Informative)

Buddy_DoQ (922706) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839090)

FTFA: * Call of Duty 3 * Genji 2: Days of the Blade * Madden NFL 2007 * Marvel Ultimate Alliance * Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire * NBA '07 * NBA 2k7 * NHL 2k7 * Resistance: Fall of Man * Ridge Racer 7 * Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 * Tony Hawk's Project 8 * Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom

Re:Full Launch List (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16839294)

Sports games and ports? really strong launch there, Sony...

Re:Full Launch List (1)

Mursk (928595) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839408)

But... Ridge Racer...

Riiiiidge Raaaaacer!

Re:Full Launch List (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839534)

Anyone reminded of the 360 launch? Not trolling, but wasn't that the same complaint? Or am I mistaken?

Limited numbers, ports / sports only at launch... although I'm picking up a PS3 first (well.. assuming they get another batch out before year end), I think the Wii win's for best launch.

Re:Full Launch List (4, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839404)

The only 2 games on that list that are not readily availabe for other systems are Genji 2: Days of the Blade (which is currently rated at 59% based on 4 reviews on Gamerankings.com) and Resistance: Fall of Man (which is currently rated at 90.3% based on 3 reviews on Gamerankings.com)

It will take some time before the scores become more solid...

The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?

Re:Full Launch List (0)

twosmokes (704364) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839704)

Because that's the only good game that will ever come out on the system.

Good thinking. I was going to buy one until you brilliantly pointed out how consoles' launch lineups are always lacking.

Thanks.

Re:Full Launch List (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839868)

still, why drop $600. The price will go down, and the number of good games will go up. There is no good reason to have one of these at launch other than to say you have it.

Re:Full Launch List (1)

twosmokes (704364) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839926)

I'd be terribly surprised if the price drops before next Christmas. There will certainly be games which make it worth owning the system out by then.

I'm not camping out to buy one or anything, but as soon as I can easily order one online, I'll be buying one... if these are still the only titles available or not.

1 game? (1)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840036)

The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?

I don't have the other systems, so I'd be spending the money for the other games too.

How the fuck does that get modded interesting?

Re:1 game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16840440)

All anti-Sony posts get an automatic +1. +2 if they're legible.

Re:1 game? (0, Troll)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840904)

Awww, your poor favorite company isn't everyone else's favorite as well. It must be terribly hard on you to come to Slashdot everyday and not find the lovefest you know Sony deserves.

Re:1 game? (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 7 years ago | (#16842372)

His point is that there are only two games exclusive games being released contemporaneously with the PS3, one of which is said to suck. So that's 1 exclusive game. Whether you in particular have a console or not really isn't the point. The point is that for the cost of a PS3 you can get a 360 and a couple of the same games. So the question posed is whether or not that 1 non-sucky, exclusive game is worth the $600+ you're going to need to shell out to play it opening weekend. Which does, IMHO, make for an interesting question.

Re:Full Launch List (1)

Manchot (847225) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840420)

No thanks, I'll stick with the Wii and Twilight Princess. Its three review scores average out to 98%, making it tentatively the best game of all time. (Ok, so it will eventually drop, but who cares?)

Re:Full Launch List (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841888)

Bad feedback coming in for Zelda. Most telling is:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/ [penny-arcade.com]

"The game doesn't look very good. I don't just mean it doesn't look like Gears of War either, I mean it doesn't even look good for a GC game and let's be honest here that's what we're talking about. I've seen beautiful games on the Cube. Crystal Chronicles, Wind Waker and Resident Evil 4 were all incredible looking games. Twilight Princess can't really compare to any of them. So he's right about that"

Granted they go onto defend the playability - but other - if not MOST of the other games for the Wii won't have the insane genius of Shigeru Miyamoto behind them. If you can be happy with 3-4 games that have that kind of brilliance behind them for the life of your system, with downgraded graphics for the rest, then happy times. I'm going to take delivery of a paintbrush with more firepower for developers to explore and exploit over the long-term.

The biggest beef I have with the Wii is that Nintendo has been VERY mum on the tech specs for its system. I strongly suspect it's a GameCube with beefed up memory. In which case, you'd be better off getting a 99-dollar Gamecube and putting the rest of your 150 in change to new games.

Re:Full Launch List (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16842024)

Technically speaking Eiji Aonuma is now in charge of all things Zelda (and has been since 2001) ...

Re:Full Launch List (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840442)

The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?

All the h4rdc0re PC gamer d00dz do.

Re:Full Launch List (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841308)

The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?


You mean it won't be able to play any other games, ever?!??!??! What a rip off!!!!

Why, oh why don't they make consoles that can also play more games later? Do you hear me god? WHY?

TW

Re:Full Launch List (1)

Bitmanhome (254112) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841404)

The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?

Yes, easily. Cuz when I'm done playing that game, I'll buy one more game, and play that. Then I'll buy one more game after that. And then another game. And then I'll get a mod chip, and pirate everything else.

Re:Full Launch List (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16839538)

As a former member of the Tiger Woods dev team, I'm proud to see that it's a launch title. Good job guys, whoever you are. (There's a lot of turnover in the EA RS studio.)

Re:Full Launch List (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839582)

Crap! I was hoping there might be a sequel or two...

Re:Full Launch List (1)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839760)

Isn't that the exact same launch list as the PS2?

Question about Madden 07 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16842468)

Anyone know if it's going to be like Madden 07 for PS2/XBox in gameplay, or the version on the 360? For those of you who have played both will understand what I'm talking about.

I hope the NCAA that comes out will be like the PS2/XBox versions. I can't believe they chopped out individual defensive audibles in the 360 version! It's a great key to running a defense.

I'm hoping the 360 ports were quick (Like what's been talked about with the PS3 version of Tony Hawk). With all the delays of the PS3 you'd think EA Sports would have enough time to polish off Madden and NCAA to near perfection!

Dupe? (0)

jandrese (485) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839116)

Are NBA '07 and NBA 2k7 different games? I'm not much into sports games (which left me greatly underwhelmed with this list), but it looks like they've listed the same game twice.

Re:Dupe? (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839156)

I suspect so, the list is 14 titles, and they said there were going to be 13 on release...

Re:Dupe? (1)

mypalmike (454265) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839418)

I suspect so, the list is 14 titles, and they said there were going to be 13 on release...

FTFA is not a launch title.

Re:Dupe? (1)

Bob Gelumph (715872) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839714)

That's probably because there is NBA '07 and NBA 2k7 listed as separate items, which I would hope are the same. Otherwise, that is a pretty strange strategy for naming sequels.

Re:Dupe? (1)

Buddy_DoQ (922706) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839284)

NBA '07 is from EA Sports and NBA 2k7 is from 2k Sports. Two different games (of the same game) from two different developers.

Re:Dupe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16839292)

NBA 07 is EA Sports.
NBA 2K7 is Take Two.

Re:Dupe? (1)

DubbaJ (691044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839306)

Nope. NBA '07 is from 989, and NBA 2k7 is from 2K Sports I believe.

Re:Dupe? (1)

RetepMc (814214) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839816)

So which one is from EA Sports? NBA Live '07?

Re:Dupe? (1)

DubbaJ (691044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840342)

Yea, but I can't find a mention of it anywhere in the launch window. And correcting my earlier post, NBA '07 is published by Sony (I believe 989 was a second party deveolper anyways).

Re:Dupe? (1)

typobox43 (677545) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841268)

I'm pretty sure that NBA Live 2007 has been completely scrapped for the PS3.

Re:Dupe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16839324)

They're both NBA games but:
NBA 07 is a SCEA game,
NBA 2k7 is a 2K Sports (Take-Two) game.

Re:Dupe? (1)

Guysmiley777 (880063) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841100)

EA hasn't managed to buy a monopoly on NBA games yet. Give them time, they're not superhuman.

In the long run.... (2, Interesting)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839172)

I'm still curious to see how this system holds out in the long run. The launch is going to most likely go well, as long as you don't look at the real numbers, in other words they'll sell every unit they've made just forget about the fact that they are a noticeable number of units short of the initial estimates/hype. Long term should be a lot more interesting, they're still a ways off from the next installments of system-seller franchises. Metal Gear Solid 4 is still about a year away, GTA4 is within a year, Final Fantasy XIII is very very far off (supposedly only 1% of it is complete? Although might not be a big deal, FF7 shipped 2-3 years after the PSX was out). I'm just wondering exactly what Sony is planning to fill in the gaps between these 3 high-profile franchises which pretty have pretty much kept the PSOne and PS2 running.

Re:In the long run.... (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839640)

Perhaps Square is banking on the fact the PS3 will be somewhat affordable by the time they release FF XIII?

Re:In the long run.... (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839820)

Probably. Although I have to really wonder how low the price will be by then. After 2-3 years will it be down in the "typical" price range of $300 for a new console? In the mean time, it looks like Square-Enix is content to keep their bankroll going with Wii and DS titles.

Re:In the long run.... (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840572)

Depending on how far out the game is, they may be more in a "wait and see" mode, waiting to decide which console to release the game on prior to starting software development.

Square's jumped consoles before - everyone assumed FFVII would be for the N64 until it was announced it would be for the PlayStation.

Re:In the long run.... (2, Interesting)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840958)

That's pretty much my theory at this point. They've proven themselves to be a company that is going to make games for the platform that will give them the biggest audience. Anyone who argues graphics/hardware capabilities had better take a good look at the S-E lineups on the PSP and DS and give a good explanation as to why there's been a lot more titles on the DS than the PSP. Their increasing interest in cell phone games is another good example of this. It seems like Deja vu if it's technology (and it's cost) that makes Square-Enix switch their "exlusivity" again.

Re:In the long run.... (1)

twosmokes (704364) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840528)

these 3 high-profile franchises which pretty have pretty much kept the PSOne and PS2 running

While those franchises certainly helped sell systems, they're hardly what kept the PS2 running. There was only one real FF game on it before last week, two MGS games, and GTA is cross-platform.

It was the hundreds of games in between these releases that kept people buying PS2 games.

Re:In the long run.... (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840704)

Alright point taken. But these are the big huge exclusive franchises to the system. GTA was always PS2 first, XBox + PC later. The fact of the matter is this: if you wanted to play MGS, FF, GTA, Jak & Dexter, Ratchet & Clank, etc. you wanted a PS2. The big issue is going to be how many exclusive titles is the PS3 going to have to carry it along, especially the bigger names. It's pretty obvious at this point that Square-Enix is putting a lot of power behind Nintendo and are about to release another game using Mario soon (Itsast Special with Mario: http://www.square-enix.co.jp/itastds/ [square-enix.co.jp] ), not to mention the amount of support they're showing for the GBA, DS and Wii. My guess is that if the PS3 doesn't shape up to be the selling system that is expected, Sony stands to lose some noticeable 3rd party support.

Re:In the long run.... (1)

realinvalidname (529939) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840560)

There's an underappreciated trend for nichey or B-list games from one generation to suddenly dominate the next generation. The Metal Gear and Final Fantasy series weren't terribly well known in the West until they went 3D and became sensations on the PlayStation 1. Grand Theft Auto was a little-played top-down niche title until its PS2 incarnation became a sensation with its [non-linear sandbox gameplay | violent, explicit, exploitative content]. Notice also how one generation's top titles tend to fade: MegaMan and Street Fighter were da bomb on 8-bit and 16-bit, but didn't evolve or age well and have faded back into niche-dom, Crash Bandicoot and Tomb Raider were PS1 fixtures but PS2 busts (har har).

Anyways, the PS3's biggest games may not be the current fads (GTA) or old warhorses (FF), but instead, titles that come out of nowhere, maybe because their ideas were waiting for the right hardware. By this theory, PS3's biggest hit might be Metal Gear Solid 4... but it might just as easily be Bumpy Trot 3 or Rez 2.

Re:In the long run.... (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840844)

Excellent points, especially since I know the trends you speak of since I've been playing games since the NES. In particular Mega Man has gone from niche (original series) to mainstream (x series) to oversaturated (battle network) and niche (zero and ZX) again. Also, I'd argue that Final Fantasy gained momentum (or potential energy) in the 16-bit era and then exploded once it went 3D on the PSX. A lot of Square's earlier games are not much to write home about, their work really started to take off when the SNES was released.

Re:In the long run.... (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 7 years ago | (#16842316)

I would only nitpick a bit on 8-bit Metal Gear. I didn't even own an NES (well, I had one for a month after Dragon Warrior came out because I just had to play that game) and I played Metal Gear - it was indeed a big deal in the US. Maybe not Mario big (what was?) but it was still a big seller. I can still remember it as one of the video games featured on the backs of all my Marvel comics for a month. :)

*Reads list for the 3rd time* (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839176)

Nope, Nothing to see here. Thanks for the 13 game posting btw, net nanny doesn't like the "games" tag at work. I can't believe people are going to pay $600 for resistance? You all look as foolish as those who bought a blu-ray player on launch day.

Wow... (4, Interesting)

TomServo (79922) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839230)

I remember that I wasn't going to bother with an XBox 360, then as it got closer and closer to release and I kept seeing shots of PGR3, I just kept wanting one more and more, cursing myself for not pre-ordering. I finally tracked one down a couple of months after launch.

I'm getting none of that with the PS3. As it was, the official playstation magazine a couple of months ago went nuts over the big killer-app launch title, Oblivion, and now that's delayed.

I'm sure I'll buy one eventually, but I'm certainly not upset that I didn't try to get a launch box.

Re:Wow... (1)

calbanese (169547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839458)

Oblivion was the big killer app that Sony hyped? Is there anythig about the PS3 version that makes it better than the PC or 360 version (seriously)?

I would think hyping an exclusive title, like Resistance, would be smarter. If some kid begs his parents for Oblivion for Christmas, his parents can either wait until PS3s are available (if they are available to average consumers by Christmas), or pick up a 360 & Oblivion at the same store, right then, for less. At least if their kid is dying for Resistance, they can't get that on a 360.

Resistance is killer app (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839542)

For the Sony launch, Resistance: Fall of Man is the big title - Oblivion was kind of nice but not a deal breaker since it's not really new and people could also play it on PC's.

Resistance looks to have a great story, and also really good multiplayer support with 40 people at once and no slowdown. Plus I have experience with the other games that publisher has worked on and I know they do a great job with control layouts and weapons.

It's the title that is making me wish it wasn't so hard to get a PS3 anytime soon... I'm not keen on waiting in line.

Re:Resistance is killer app (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840516)

Or you could, you know, wait until after Christmas and not fight in line for it. That's what I plan on doing for the Wii.

You don't have to get it OMG RIGHT NOW, you can wait. Given the massive production problems that Sony's having, you may have to wait anyway.

Who knows, if you're lucky, Sony will cut prices next year once they find the magical pixie dust required to fix their production problems. (Unfortunately it has a 0.5% drop rate on a rare spawn, so it may take a while.) Lord knows that if they don't get production up soon, they'll lose this generation solely due to lack of install base.

Re:Resistance is killer app (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841484)

Well, some of us can't. Our wills are as weak as our bladd.... OMG GOTTA PEE!

Re:Resistance is killer app (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841776)

Remind me to never sit next to you on a bus.

Oblivion? (1)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840256)

When was Oblivion ever hyped as a "killer app" launch title for the PS3? I read pretty much at least a little big of every major gaming mag and website, and I don't remember seeing it hailed as a "killer app" for the PS3.

Resistance is definitely getting the most hype. Honestly, it didn't draw my interest at first(aka. just another shooter syndrome), but it looks like it's going to be really good, with a great story too.

That's not to say I'm disappointed I didn't preorder a PS3... I can wait. I'm still not sure which console I'm going to get first.

And PGR3? THAT sold you on the 360..? Not much of a "killer app"...

Should Be Less (2, Interesting)

duerra (684053) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839246)

According to reviews, games like Tony Hawk 8 and Ridge Racer *should* have been delayed, because of framerate issues and bugs in general.

Tony Hawk much faster on 360. (2, Informative)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839974)

Everything I've read shows that the new Tony Hawk game has some major slowdown issues on the PS3, while on the 360 it's pretty smooth but does sometimes take an odd dip in the frame rate here and there. All this hype how the PS3 was going to smash the 360 in performance seems to be false. The Motorstorm demos on the kiosks looks pretty bad as well. I'm wondering if this will end up being another PS2 compared to the Gamecube / Original XBox.

Re:Tony Hawk much faster on 360. (1)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840310)

Wow. Just wow... True, the PS3 still has to prove itself, but a shitty port being an indicator of potential? Yeah... I don't think so.

Re:Tony Hawk much faster on 360. (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#16842100)

Nobody doubts that the PS3 has potential. If you just look at raw numbers (like everyone did with the Emotion Engine, but still) the Cell is freaking awesome. I went to a talk by IBM about the Cell where they discussed some architectural tidbits about the SPEs and the internal interconnect ring (IBM loves rings*) which is also just nuts. When fully banging away, you could get a ridiculous amount of data throughput.

The problem is you have to give those SPEs something to do. But it's a new programming model with some strange quirks compared to processors most programmers are used to, and I don't think the tools are up to snuff yet either so it's all manual coding to get it to work.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of early games, especially the hasty ports from xbox, don't even use the SPEs and just use the Power core. In which case the PS3 isn't as powerful as the xbox.

So there's lots of potential, no doubt about it, the question is just if we'll see it taken advantage of in most games and how long it will take for that to happen. As always the longer a console is out the better people get at programming for it. It just seems like with the Cell architecture that it is going to take longer for people to wrap their heads around the PS3, even if the payoff is huge.

It's interesting that in this generation there seems to be higher barriers to porting than before. The PS3 with it's odd architecture and the Wii with it's odd control scheme may mean we see fewer ports... or maybe just shittier ones. Maybe that's what Tony Hawk is a herald of.

* Maybe it's just me, but between their obvious love of rings (ring interconnect bus on Cell, using token ring networks as late as 98) and their legal team known as the Nazgul, IBM kinda scares me.

Re:Tony Hawk much faster on 360. (1)

asc99c (938635) | more than 7 years ago | (#16842076)

PS2 and PS3 have both had unusual architectures that were inherently well suited to their purpose but not necessarily as easy to develop for. Both Xboxes are based closely on PC architectures so on release developers know how to get a result.

PS2 is way slower than Xbox, but actual graphics differences are very slight now that developers have fully worked it out. I remember PS2 game graphics getting better with every new generation of games for a few years after release. Xbox started with Halo and has never got much better than that.

PS3 has more raw processing power than Xbox 360 and in a couple of years I suspect games will be running nicer on PS3, but for now developers are still working out what to do with it.

Re:Should Be Less (1)

Thwomp (773873) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841416)

Maybe Ridge Racer should have been delayed to polish it up? Check out these comparison shots of 360 vs PS3 [kotaku.com] . I was quite shocked and had to double check I was looking at the right pics for the PS3.

Surely there is some fowl play going on here because those PS3 shots look much worse!

Untold Legends: The PSP Port? (2, Interesting)

Shiptar (792005) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839338)

Isn't the Untold Legends series a PSP series, which is a clone of CHampions of Norrath for the PS2?

That's a bit underwhelming. It's too bad that there's 1-3 total new games on that list? I don't know about Gundam or Resistance, so that's why I ask if it's 1-3.

Hopefully the games come out faster than BR movies.

Re:Untold Legends: The PSP Port? (2, Interesting)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839508)

There's been a TON of Gundam games. Can't call it original.

Resistance seems to be genuinely new, even if it sounds a lot like that other virus game... With Mitochondria Eve... Forget the bloody name. Grr.

What's the third one, that you were sure of? You don't mean Marvel Ultimate Alliance, do you? It's just a clone of another game, the name of which I forget. Another 'comic book heroes join together and fight in third-person overhead view'.

Re:Untold Legends: The PSP Port? (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839842)

Parasite Eve (I & II) made by SquareSoft for the PS1? The first game being based on the book "Parasite Eve".

Re:Untold Legends: The PSP Port? (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839956)

to clear things up: Marvel Ultimate Alliance is a sequel/clone of X-Men Legends which is a clone of the console version of Fallout which is a clone of Champions of Norrath which is a clone of Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance which if I recall correctly started the sort of RPG/scrolling beat'em up genre, though it probably came as a console-friendly evolution from the earlier successes of Diablo and Icewind Dale.

Re:Untold Legends: The PSP Port? (1)

F34nor (321515) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840722)

These Gundam. [parsons.edu] look way better than PS3. In fact they look real! Oh wait they are real, in fact they're the shit as far as I can tell.

Re:Untold Legends: The PSP Port? (1)

F34nor (321515) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840774)

This [parsons.edu] is the part that gives me a chubby.

PS25th (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16839510)

post!

Blu Ray media and release games (1)

Morinaga (857587) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839566)

As a kicker, I bet all of these titles are NOT on BluRay media but dvd media.

Re:Blu Ray media and release games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16842022)

Wrong. It's been confirmed that level data alone for Resistance Fall of Man was 12 GB or something.

Sure some of the ones that are multi-platform won't need a full blue-ray, but all the PS3 only titles will definitely

Remember: Games are Key (3, Insightful)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16839574)

Even if Sony hopes Blue-Ray will become a big factor, there are 23 Sony Blue-Ray DVDs out and not alot of those titles are going to appeal to everyone (little man? Stealth? The list goes on,) games (and to a much lesser extent accessories) are going to play the big role in Sony's success with the PS3 (especially short term.)Numbers [kikizo.com] from EnterBrain show 88,400 consoles sold (100,000 is an shipment estimate, EnterBrain expects the missing 12,600 are simply ones that were unable to be produced, not unsold.) 62% were high end which falls below the expected 80/20 distribution of PS3 models which, as unlike Nintendo, Sony loses money on every PS3 machine, we can conclude is actually worse as the profit-negating feature of the PS3 is likely to lie with the Blue-ray drive (and possibly to some extend the Cell; it sure isn't helping) which was present in the same cost in the lower model. We can assume that the features left off from the low end machine do not present a significant enough cost to be off set by the $100 short of the low end model (atleast not to make up the loss elsewhere, if not even making up the $100 itself.) Worse yet, despite analysis that all would likly have sold anyways, the Japanese PS3 versions were actually cheaper than what the US will recieve, most probably creating all the larger hill for Sony to surmount in the quest for profit.

But the more important factor is the game sales. Top two games sales were Ridge Racer 7 and Gundum at 30,000 each. Togther, that's only 60,000 games sold! Not even 1 game per system sold (lousy ebayers?) Of course, we don't have difinitive numbers on what the other 3 games available at Japan's launch are (only that they didn't reach 30,000) but we can only guess they might have made up atleast 22,000 if that (Doubt Genji sold well; check out the reviews, critics delt massive damage to that Giant Crab turd of a game.) Still, even assuming a difference made up towards one game sold per system sold, it is not hard to believe that that ratio will not make up the difference of system production costs.

Though it sold out, we're still in for quite a rollercoaster ride as the Wii (a 'strong' competitor with a better quick returns setup) steps in and the production of both console start to kick in to high gear for the USA Mega-holidays Spend-O-Rifica period. Rumors and unverified reports put PS3 second salvos in the US stores ready by the 20th (launch +3 days) and Wii at about the same time (launch +1, though these are rumors) and we can only guess they're going to be out in their bests ready for Post-Turkey day Shopping Madness.

Considering numerous games on the PS3 list are non-exclusive and exclusives like Genji have often been review, criticied and praised by Japan-launch capable news orgs, US shoppers have a lot of choice and information on the games to choose. Even if the PS3 sells out in the US, the different environment games are presented in here in the US (PCs and Xbox 360s being bigger here for things like CoD 3) could greatly impact Sony's success (in terms of profit and market share.)

Re:Remember: Games are Key (2, Informative)

ben there... (946946) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840282)

Even if Sony hopes Blue-Ray will become a big factor, there are 23 Sony Blue-Ray DVDs out and not alot of those titles are going to appeal to everyone (little man? Stealth? The list goes on,)

Netflix has 212 [netflix.com] , and that's probably not even everything that has been released.

Re:Remember: Games are Key (1)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16842466)

Blue-Ray is not solely Sony's. Blue-Ray is the result of the Blu-Ray Disc Association, of which Sony is a member. This does not mean Sony gets a cut of whatever Blu-Ray disk sells. It means Sony takes part in developing, through the strategic alliance of the Blr-Ray Disc Assoc., the standards of what can be called blu-ray such that a blu-ray player plays it. Sony only profits from blu-ray media it produces (as in films from Sony Motion Pictures.) Of which there are only 23 I was able to find. Although there may be more Blu-ray movies, they do not benefit Sony (outside of intagables like having a reason for a Blu-ray player or solidifying it's chose format in the market.)

Also, as far as I've seen, your website says it has nearly 150 [netflix.com] And according to this website of releases [highdefdigest.com] plus previous releases, [highdefdigest.com] as of Nov. 14 it's only up to 99. And again, most of those are not from Sony.

Wait for it... (2, Interesting)

sirstar (789206) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840006)

The system has hundreds of games for it already! Look at all these PS2/PS1 games it can play! Why, you have hundreds of (repeat/re-hashed/duplicate) games to play until we get some new/repeat/re-hashed games out for the PS3 system! Buy, Buy, Buy!!!! Trade in your older systems now and save (very little) on the new PS3 toaster oven! And how many of the 'new' 'next-gen' games will just use the PS2 emulation chip? Time will tell.....

Who needs games? (0, Flamebait)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840070)

After all, you'll buy it if there weren't any games.

Re:Who needs games? (1)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 7 years ago | (#16842362)

flamebait? Mod Kutargi, not me.

The PS3 Paradox (1)

Clever7Devil (985356) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840418)

If it's a success and has good software, it'll be sold out for a year before you can get one.
If it's a failure, you'll be able to get one, but the software you bought it for will never materialize. :(

I just want to play FFXIII...

Oh wait, by the time that game comes out they'll have a cheaper, more available console. Yay!
At least Assassin's Creed is coming out for 360.

Ho Hum (5, Interesting)

mechapanda (1014307) | more than 7 years ago | (#16840508)

For what it is worth, a couple of notes from someone who actually owns a PS3...

The launch titles play infinitely better than what was available at the Japanese PS2 launch

Mine has been running 20 hours a day since I got it home, no over heating, no game skipping, no crashes.

It's a big beast (I nearly dropped it when I was handed it over the counter as the retail box weighs a ton), but runs pretty quiet compared to my original Xbox which I only use as a MythTV frontend.

No Linux yet as we are waiting on the installer, but the good news is long term it will be possible to install any distribution that supports PPC (out of the box it supports Fedora). Bad news is that as pretty well all hardware access is via the hypervisor/virtual devices, there is no access to the GPU - yet.

Despite the wishful thinking of Nintendo/Xbox fanboys, the games I own are ALL on BluRay.

It's a really nice bit of kit, for me being able to buy a Cell dev box for 300 quid is an absolute bargain, and a fraction of what I paid for my Arm and PPC box's - and then I get to be able to play Metal Gear 4 and FFXIII too?

If you can code, are interested in non-x86 processors, and can afford one, it's a no brainer - get one.

Re:Ho Hum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16841146)

"Despite the wishful thinking of Nintendo/Xbox fanboys, the games I own are ALL on BluRay."

only Resistance is using a sizable chunck of the BD.
Genji and other games are all within a one inch ring of the center of the BD.

Re:Ho Hum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16841906)

Despite the wishful thinking of Nintendo/Xbox fanboys, the games I own are ALL on BluRay.
Sony said so from the beginning. All games will be released on blu-ray, regardless of the size of the content.

Re:Ho Hum (1)

sirstar (789206) | more than 7 years ago | (#16842160)

Ok, so, how are the loading screens? BC?
Does the PS3 suffer like the PS1/PS2 did/does from loading screens?
Do the PS2 games play?
Are the games worth it?

Target Audience? (1)

Mag_Linnard (82193) | more than 7 years ago | (#16841098)

I find it interesting that of the 13 games up there, 6 are sports titles (I consider racing a sports genre, especially in terms of Ridge Racer) and 2 FPSes. So the launch list seems to target sports fans and action gamers...which is not where I'd expect to find the super-hardcore gamers or audio/videophiles who are going to be able or willing to front the costs. I don't see a game there that'll trip the Drooling Rich Fanboy alarms to the $600 range.
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