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What Really Happened To Ubuntu's Edgy Artwork?

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the more-dapper-than-edgy dept.

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angrykeyboarder writes, "Many Ubuntu users expressed surprise, dismay, and disappointment when Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl) nixed the popular community-developed artwork during the beta phase of Ubuntu 6.10 ('The Edgy Eft'). Some Ubuntu community members were downright shocked, and many were ultimately dissatisfied with the final product. What exactly happened? Short answer: the Art Team was less disturbed than some other community members were. Linux.com has the scoop." Slashdot and Linux.com are both part of OSTG.

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My guess? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847776)

Their artist died of AIDS and they needed to get some other less talented fag to do the new artwork. Just my theory.

Re:My guess? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847790)

You know Quinn Storm is a dude? Itsatrap indeed.

Re:My guess? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847904)

Nope. Their artist was fine. He just decided to work on different distro [gaybuntu.com] .

Re:My guess? (2, Informative)

HeroreV (869368) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848128)

Wow, it's actually a real site.

What happened to... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847796)

...stories anyone cares about on slashdot?

...

Re:What happened to... (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847916)

"...you're new here, right?"

Re:What happened to... (1)

aldo.gs (985038) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848116)

You must be new here... that's not the way it is.

Approval (1)

Ninjaesque One (902204) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847802)

So lacking of red tape, they don't even care about their seniors' opinions!

They should issue an official statement of chastisement against themselves!

Behold themes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847804)

... do they stop us from using the new goodies?

Sex Bad Violence Good (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847806)

Is anyone surprised?

What a society - where killing untold thousands of people in far off lands is fine, but showing pictures of the human body is taboo.

Re:Sex Bad Violence Good (4, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848104)

. . .showing pictures of the human body is taboo.

It wasn't even intended. It was just a GUI malfunction.

KFG

Re:Ending life good, creating life bad. (4, Interesting)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848176)

The reason is quite simple. It takes more money to raise a child than to bury a person.

Re:Sex Bad Violence Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848190)

Indeed. Reminds me of the quote to the effect that the only way a breast will ever be shown on network television in the US is if it's severed.

Re:Sex Bad Violence Good (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848196)

Are you sure about that? [ragingfist.net]

!!!!GOATSE ALERT!!! N/T (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848224)

N/T

Re:Sex Bad Violence Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848232)

"What a society - where killing untold thousands of people in far off lands is fine, but showing pictures of the human body is taboo."

It isn't taboo. It's just stupid. Nobody wants a picture of a bunch of nudists on their desktop. And in what society is killing people fine? That's a pretty ignorant statement...

Re:Sex Bad Violence Good (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848284)

"And in what society is killing people fine? That's a pretty ignorant statement..."

Perhaps my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning, but have you turned on a television or played a popular computer game in the last, oh 50 years?

As an example, today's FPSs look almost identical to some of the training simulators I used in my unit a few years ago minus any of the moral context and maturity of the personnel. Give Lt. Col. David Grossman's "On Killing" a read - it's quite an eye-opener if you haven't thought too deeply about how pervasive entertainment can easily desensitize and incrementally condition unwitting persons.

Re:Sex Bad Violence Good (0, Offtopic)

flight_master (867426) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848412)

Erm... I have pictures of Women as the backgrounds on all my computers... well the ones used at home. And no, they aren't nude. The human body is art, quit thinking of it as a sex machine. Oh wait, you probably never thought of your body that way!

Re:Sex Bad Violence Good (0, Offtopic)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848272)

What a society - where [showing pictures of] killing untold thousands of people in far off lands is fine, but showing pictures of the human body is taboo.

Let's compare apples to apples, shall we? Because if you want to compare violence to sex, well, you can be an American pacifist, but not fucking your spouse is grounds for divorce.

The simple reason why violence is OK in media and sex is not is that all violence needs to be in the public eye. There's no reason that your neighbors or children need to know when or how often you fuck. But they DO need to know each and every time you kill someone, stab someone in the eye, or do any other act of violence.

Re:Sex Bad Violence Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848368)

So what does that have to do with sex versus violence on television? Why do we need so many shows built around rape, murder, kidnapping, child abuse, torture, etc? Plot does not require the graphic depictions we have.

Hell, it just makes Iraq another video game/reality show. It's hardly shocking anymore to read about the daily 30-80-150(today's count) kidnapped, murdered, etc. in Baghdad alone. We have watched monthly murder rates in Baghdad climb into the thousands (yes, thousands!) but...ho hum. I know I don't have the visceral reaction my mind tells me I should. Getting up towards a million killed that had NOTHING to do with 9/11, but where's the outrage over the loss of life, regardless of political leanings? Life is cheap. But try showing a breast on network TV. Unless it's on a corpse, you won't see it.

BTW, I think anybody who's taken psych 101 will tell you that there is an inexorable link between sex and violence. Some other AC mentioned Grossman's Killing book - he covers it pretty well.

Re:Sex Bad Violence Good (0, Offtopic)

Static11 (894657) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848388)

The simple reason why violence is OK in media and sex is not is that all violence needs to be in the public eye. There's no reason that your neighbors or children need to know when or how often you fuck. But they DO need to know each and every time you kill someone, stab someone in the eye, or do any other act of violence.


That's a bit of a logical fallacy there, don't you think? I agree entirely that we all need to know when an injustice has been committed. However, you state only that violence needs to be in the media, and haven't given any reason why that means nudity can't share the same space in the media.

No-one NEEDS to know the results of the Super Bowl, but it's in the media - so how does nudity somehow not get the same treatment?

Stuff that matters? (-1, Troll)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847808)

Some guys made some art. Some guy in charge didn't like the art. Whoopdie freakin do.

I mean, there are slow news days... and then there are days where they'd be better off posting nothing at all. This article was utterly pointless.

Re:Stuff that matters? (-1, Troll)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848088)

(Score:-1, Troll)
So does this mean that there are at least two people who thought this worthless fucking article was actually "stuff that matters"? Color me surprised.

Re:Stuff that matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848400)

So does this mean that there are at least two people who thought this worthless fucking article was actually "stuff that matters"? Color me surprised.

Nope, it just means that at least two people thought your bitching about it was just as worthless.

porn? (-1, Offtopic)

Tyir (622669) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847814)

Did anyone else assume Shuttleworth was just getting tired of more ubuntu porn?

Re:porn? (1, Informative)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847910)

What on earth are you talking about?

Re:porn? (1)

zcat_NZ (267672) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848030)

This artwork [google.com]

Re:porn? (2, Informative)

enrevanche (953125) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848432)

This is not porn. Every image of the nude human form is not porn.

Re:porn? (1)

zcat_NZ (267672) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848480)

That depends who you ask....

Re:porn? (4, Funny)

Ignis Flatus (689403) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848486)

well, speaking as a guy that really appreciates his porn, i'm finding this a little hard to masturbate to. a little "edgier", please.

ok, I'm pissed (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847816)

this really pisses me off. Would it be so fucking hard to just fucking link to an example of "edgy art" Jesus. They have links that go to text, and links on the text pages go to more text. Hello? Don't waste my time with this. Just show me the art which is the subject of the article.

Re:ok, I'm pissed (1)

Alkivar (25833) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847844)

mod parent up... this is sooo true.

I found some... (5, Informative)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847870)

Found some... with some digging. Peace [ubuntu.com] , Tropic [ubuntu.com] and Blubuntu [ubuntu.com] .

Re:I found some... (4, Insightful)

kernelpanicked (882802) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847914)

Of course Shuttleworth would hate the Blubuntu theme. My god, I mean, if that got out Ubuntu might actually look...good.

By "look...good" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848018)

I assume you mean, look...like Mac Excel.

Re:I found some... (1)

kernelpanicked (882802) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848424)

Yes I'm breaking the rules to reply to my own comment. Why was I modded flamebait? I'm a friggin ubuntu user (Xubuntu actually). I think I would know as well as anyone that Ubuntu, by default, may work beautifully but it looks like absolute shit.

Re:I found some... (1)

vidalsasoon (555891) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847930)

yo, where's the titties?

I'm not surprised he turned it down (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847940)

That stuff looks really amatuerish

Re:I found some... (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848238)

This is the first time I have put Ubuntu on a machine; I for one am going to un-install the OS as a protest until they release the OS with the new artwork. Yeah that will learn 'em. [wikipedia.org]


Anyone else find it sad that a search for sarcasm on google returns the wikipedia link as the first result?

Re:I found some... (1)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848296)

Are you sure that's part of the Art Team effort? To me it looks like that's just 3 random user-created themes.

Re:I found some... (2, Informative)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848328)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkP lan/ThemeTeams [ubuntu.com] seems to imply this, yes.
Starting with the Edgy Eft release the artwork team introduced the concepts of Theme Teams. Theme Teams are small, independently operating groups of artists working on creating a desktop theme. These teams are coordinated by the Artists in Chief (AiCs) and receive support and feedback from the AiCs as well.
I could be misinterpreting things, though.

Re:ok, I'm pissed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847874)

truth, fucking idiots.

Re:ok, I'm pissed (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847886)

You've seen it before. That's right, it was goatse. I'm not going to link to it either.

Re:ok, I'm pissed (4, Informative)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847900)

Digging around the wiki, this is what I could come up with...

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkP lan/Polish/Incoming [ubuntu.com]

Now, assuming this is the art in question, which I wouldn't know for sure, not only is this a completely shitty non-article, it's also a terrible headline. The whole 'edgy' pun attempts to make it sound like they had naked women or something, when in fact it's plain old boring splash screens with round letters and glossy effects. Snore. I guess they had to do SOMETHING to attempt to make this look like it might be newsworthy, so why not throw a potentially sensational headline out there.

Re:ok, I'm pissed (1)

alib001 (654044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848012)

Is that it? What's 'edgy' about that?

If that is it, then this looks to be an earlier stage in development:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkP lan/Propose/Results [ubuntu.com]

... which is mildly interesting but hardly worth the pun.

Re:ok, I'm pissed (3, Informative)

Mike89 (1006497) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848182)

Edgy is the name of the distribution's version. The headline is a play on words.

Re:ok, I'm pissed (2, Interesting)

alib001 (654044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848336)

Oh, I see it's a nickname:

Ubuntu 6.10 (The Edgy Eft): October 2006
http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases [ubuntu.com]

Re:ok, I'm pissed (1)

Einstein_101 (966708) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847980)

Would it be so fucking hard to just fucking link to an example of "edgy art" Jesus

I haven't seen any nudes, but in the Nativity Scene it looks as if a nipple is almost about to pop out. That's pretty edgy in my opinion.

Re:ok, I'm pissed (2, Insightful)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848032)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkP lan/Polish/Incoming

Thats one link found buried in the wiki. I never really noticed much difference. In fact, as an Edgy tester, a ton of the proposed artwork never hit the repo at all. This is partly because, as a glimpse at that single step in the process ("Polish") will show you, there's a ton of ideas floating around. However, much of the art concepts were incorporated. I vaguely also recall a page somewhere that pretty much had the boot splash concept as a login screen, but I can't find it currently. It may be that the bootsplash had some longstanding problems and the art team wasn't responsible for it as there is a portion of programming involved there.

Of course, if you don't like the theme as it stands, search your repos for things like "blubuntu" or "tropic". Maybe some day an ambitious junior college graphics design course will have "make a gdk theme" for a project instead of the silly fake things they do now (obviously this would be more online oriented than print oriented). Doesn't seem like we can do much worse, though there could problems regarding Adobe.

Re:ok, I'm pissed (-1, Troll)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848256)

Here's a picture of what they wanted for the login screen... pretty edgy if you ask me

http://24.57.37.118/my_family.jpg [24.57.37.118]

Warning! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848316)

Parent's link is NSFW!

Re:ok, I'm pissed (2, Informative)

c_forq (924234) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848360)

Mod parent down please. Link NSFW. Link also very disturbing.

Re:ok, I'm pissed (1)

GenKreton (884088) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848490)

There's nothing edgy about it judging by all the links in the thread - everything is pretty well rounded off.

Re:ok, I'm pissed (1)

Wavicle (181176) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848540)

How about this [ubuntu.com] or this [ubuntu.com] or maybe even this [ubuntu.com]

I don't know that any of those were the artwork in question... but there you go. I know they're all from the same contributor, but art.ubuntu.com is really slow right now... for some reason... hmmmm...

Screenshot? (1, Redundant)

catbutt (469582) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847838)

...or something? Call me shallow but I'd like to look at some pictures.

Re:Screenshot? (4, Informative)

sirnuke (866453) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847908)

I believe this [ubuntu.com] was the last Edgy artwork.

Screenshots (2, Informative)

adrenalinekick (884201) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847876)

Re:Screenshots (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847928)

Looking at those, I'm glad the branding team killed it. They look like cheap OS X knock-offs (one wallpaper image looks like a default OS X one turned from blue to brown). If Ubuntu wants to succeed (and not be sued out of existence for trademark violation), it needs to establish its own brand image, not copy Apple's. I don't use Ubuntu, and so I don't know what the art it actually uses looks like, but I sincerely hope it's more original. By all means, keep themes that computer users will find familiar (e.g. a house for your home directory), but please realise that there's a difference between imitation and inspiration.

Re:Screenshots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847936)

And... how do those deviate from ubuntu's overall look...

What did the head honchos at ubuntu really want for edgy?

Re:Screenshots (5, Informative)

kernelpanicked (882802) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847986)

Have any of you even seen Edgy installed? The artwork you keep linking to isn't what was turned down, it's the artwork for the damn release.

Why not include them (0)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847948)

The best thing about Linux is choice. If Shuttleworth or whatever his name is doesn't like the default theme then the option to install it later should be there. I like the bluntu theme.

Is it me ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847956)

... or is Ubuntu become the "myspace" of distros? =)

"Edgy" isn't modifying "artwork" as normal. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16847970)

The name of the release is "Edgy Eft." The artwork itself is not edgy qua "unusually unsettling, exciting, or dark."

That confusion, plus a total lack to link to the artwork, is another thread in the Slashdot editors' tapestry of failure.

"Edgy Eft"? (0, Troll)

meme_police (645420) | more than 7 years ago | (#16847982)

"Feisty"? Political fallout over art work? My goodness I'm glad I left Linux behind for OpenBSD last millenium. Nothing sounds better to me than -current and -stable. And the art and tunes of OpenBSD consistently rock:

http://openbsd.org/lyrics.html [openbsd.org]

Re:"Edgy Eft"? (2, Funny)

cptgrudge (177113) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848434)

Nothing sounds better to me than -current and -stable.

What about -useful? It boggles the mind that OpenBSD doesn't support IrDA [wikipedia.org] or IPX [wikipedia.org] !

How can you live with an OS that lacks these fundamental and necessary technologies in today's world? I mean, what about reading IR codes from VCR remotes? What if you want to play StarCraft with a person that is at an early patch level? These are important questions that need to be addressed!

Re:"Edgy Eft"? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848478)

Same here, except I use NetBSD.

The BSDs have had their fair share of bickering over the years, and there has been fallout. But usually the fallout is a great benefit to the entire community. The disagreement between Theo and some of the other NetBSD members lead to the formation of OpenBSD. OpenBSD lead directly to the development of OpenSSH, which is used far beyond OpenBSD.

We witnessed the same thing with the disagreement between Matt Dillon and some of the other FreeBSD developers. The end result was the formation of the DragonFly BSD project, which I have great hopes for. Matt correctly saw the need for a highly-scalable BSD, which becomes very relevent with low-end PCs soon offering 8 or more cores. DragonFly BSD is already years ahead of the other BSDs when it comes to its multithreading.

Frankly, I think it's stupid that there's been such strife over some fucking art work. Whenever I have to use Ubuntu, I end up replacing the default theme with one that's far more usable. I often even get rid of GNOME, replacing it with a stock KDE installation. At least they manage to pick default icons, colours and themes that don't start a civil war within its user community.

Edgy? (0, Flamebait)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848000)

Geez, I thought "edgy" would imply some pr0n ... this is just a brown ubuntu login screen. What's so fscking "edgy" about that?

Re:Edgy? (1)

alib001 (654044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848044)

Maybe it's a dirty protest [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:Edgy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848052)

That brown sugah be the finest my niggah.

Re:Edgy? (1)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848180)

the current release of Ubuntu is named "Edgy Eft."

The submitter was attempting to make a horrible pun.

Edgy is the name of the release! (5, Informative)

DragonHawk (21256) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848058)

"Edgy Eft" is the "nick-name" of the release of Ubuntu. Like "Woody" was a Debian release and "Zod" was a Fedora release.

"Edgy art" does not refer to "provocative art", but "art for the 'Edge Eft' release".

All Ubuntu releases are named with an adjective and an animal, and they have to alliterate. I have no idea why.

Sheesh.

Re:Edgy is the name of the release! (4, Funny)

digitalderbs (718388) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848158)

The next release will be the Fellatious Ferret.

Re:Edgy is the name of the release! (3, Funny)

realmolo (574068) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848314)

Grossly gargantuan. Hauntingly hilarious. Incredibly interesting. Jarringly jolly. Keenly killer. Ludicrously lovely. Mostly malarkey. Nearly necessary. Obviously odorous. Positively pitiful. Queerly quick. Ridiculously rotten. Stupidly sexy. Totally tacky. Unbelievably ugly. Viciously viscous. Weirdly wooley. Xenophobically xeroxed. Yearningly yellow. Zoologically zippy.

Re:Edgy is the name of the release! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848312)

I do not like Microsoft. Remove them from my email address.
ok! dragonhawk@iname.com

Re:Edgy is the name of the release! (2, Funny)

modecx (130548) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848466)

Holy moly, I wish someone writing the article could have explained that.

And here I was looking forward to seeing something that some overly-zealous conservative twit thought was immoral or something.

Curse you, write-up writer, curse cauliflower, and curse the Olson twins.

is this irrelevant or what (4, Insightful)

daniel23 (605413) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848082)


sorry, this is a part of OSS culture I entirely fail to understand. Like, when there is a new version of distro X and some OS News sites have nothing better to report than a 15 pages of hires screenshots of the default desktop etc.

You mean you install a new distro and then judge its worth by the look of the default theme? You don't change the theme first thing? You don't know how to install a custom theme if you don't like the preconfigured choices?

But then again, my boxen run headless 98% of the time, so why should I care...

Re:is this irrelevant or what (4, Insightful)

Doctor Crumb (737936) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848134)

Ubuntu is billed as "linux for human beings". In practice, this means "usable and welcoming to non-geeks"; those same non-geeks who purchase a new windows OS because it has a new default desktop background and shinier buttons. So, while you may not judge a distro by its art, there are plenty of people who *do*, and those are the people ubuntu is trying to reach.

Re:is this irrelevant or what (3, Insightful)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848138)

When I have this monitor in front of my face as much as 80 hours a week, I really DO care what my desktop looks like. While I'll change stuff like themes, etc, fonts and icons tend to me part of the "I have better things to do with my time" department, so if it doesn't look nice out of the box, and its not packaged with my theme somehow, it has to look semi-decent.

Re:is this irrelevant or what (3, Insightful)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848396)

When I have this monitor in front of my face as much as 80 hours a week, I really DO care what my desktop looks like.

I use my computer 80+ hours a week too. But mostly, I'm looking at what's in the windows, not what's around the edges of them.

Re:is this irrelevant or what (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848436)

Makes sense. I personally like the entire thing to look at least semi-decent. I didn't use to. Over the years I changed my mind about it, because it was seriously getting boring and feel too much like "work" (to me, even work shouldn't feel like "work"). But hey, different people, different tastes.

Re:is this irrelevant or what (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848170)

. . .when there is a new version of distro X and some OS News sites have nothing better to report than a 15 pages of hires screenshots of the default desktop etc.

You got something against technology, you insensitive luddite?

KFG

Re:is this irrelevant or what (1)

daniel23 (605413) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848344)


I guess the lame-filter ate the sarcasm-tags

Re:is this irrelevant or what (1)

alib001 (654044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848192)

Yes... you're right there is a difference between running a headless server and a desktop!

No flies on you.

Re:is this irrelevant or what (2)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848208)

sorry, this is a part of OSS culture I entirely fail to understand.

It's the AOL-ization of linux. Lots of people without much technical ability, but lots of time on their hands to talk about it. So you get a focus on the trivial because all they can understand.

Re:is this irrelevant or what (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848268)

You mean you install a new distro and then judge its worth by the look of the default theme? You don't change the theme first thing? You don't know how to install a custom theme if you don't like the preconfigured choices?

First impressions matter. It isn't fair, but it is true.

Custom themes are fine for personal and home use. Less so, perhaps, outside the cubicle, in the library or on the shop floor where dozens of machines may greet the visitor and systems must be shared.

But then again, my boxen run headless 98% of the time, so why should I care...

Words like "boxen" and "headless" automatically take you out of the world of 99.9% of users.

Re:is this irrelevant or what (1)

daniel23 (605413) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848518)

> First impressions matter. It isn't fair, but it is true.

hm, with OSen first impressions have been long since forgotten when you really have reasons to to get angry. Like, trying to upgrade SuSE from 9.1 to 10.1 on a remote server. Or the versionitis (or lack of it!) after years of updates. How long will you have to wait for the most recent version of clamAV being available for your distro? How does this particular distro fare when it comes to strange keyboards and funny characters cause of exotic languages? An overwhelming majority of people on this planet use strange keyboards to write funny characters in exotic languages.

> Words like "boxen" and "headless" automatically take you out of the world of 99.9% of users.

99,9% is what dictators get as a vote, free people tend to diversify more. It's not an uncommon rheorical figure, but I always wonder what the 100% group of speakers using it might be: just themselves, the people the talk to every day, the peer group?

To be honest, you hit another thing here that I usually fail to understand: what is so great about being like 99,9% of the others?

Re:is this irrelevant or what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848332)

"Boxen" is not a word.

Re:is this irrelevant or what (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848440)

"Snark" is in the dictionary.

KFG

Ooohhh, Shiny... (4, Insightful)

tymbow (725036) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848100)

I don't know what direction was required for the art, but the samples have that "ooohhh shiny" web 2.0 feel to them so they just must be better :p

Meeehhh, it will all change again anyway when everyone jumps on the Web 3.0 graphic design bandwagon or whatever the next hot trend will be.

What? I'm shocked too! (2, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848160)

Some Ubuntu community members were downright shocked, and many were ultimately dissatisfied with the final product.

Why should this happen? Why should "some community members" be shocked if Ubuntu is being developed as "an Open Source OS?" And I guess they were following Ubuntu's development pretty closely.

I need this question answered: Is Mark Shuttleworth a benevolent dictator in Ubuntu's Development?

Re:What? I'm shocked too! (5, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848222)

Open Source implies that the source is open; it does not imply that nobody is in charge of a project.

KFG

Reminds me of a certain CSS redesign contest... (4, Insightful)

dantheman82 (765429) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848318)

Chief artist head honcho summed it up: "We set out to start from scratch and to top Dapper, while Dapper was arguably very close to what Mark had in mind."

Hmm...sort of reminds me of the Slashdot CSS Redesign Contest [slashdot.org] . Need the Slashdot "Shade of Green" and Coliseo font. Basically it has to be very similar to the old one, but better. Sometimes it fades into the background once the hubbub dies down...as people realize that visual continuity and product branding do count for something...

Quality (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848320)

Based on the drafts, the decision was a good one. The proposed artwork was substandard. Part of it was an ugly fedora rip-off and the other part was dapper drake with ugly emboss.

Linux for Humans *my ass*! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848416)

Ubuntu has bigger problems.

Ubuntu doesn't work under any version of Virtual PC. Gives you a fault and register dump. Ubuntu knows but refers you to some long technical howto. Linux for Humans, my ass! Despite the tagline, it's no more or less friendly than any other Linux distro.

Re:Linux for Humans *my ass*! (1)

martijnd (148684) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848582)

>> Ubuntu doesn't work under any version of Virtual PC.

Neither did Windows run under DR-DOS, it gave same horrible made up error to stop you from using non-microsoft OS software.

Why should it be any different this time around?

On the bright side, Ubuntu runs fine under VMWare, and even Windows XP runs nicely under VMware under Ubuntu.

Ever wonder why the icons look nice? (4, Interesting)

Chief Typist (110285) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848420)

The icons were professionally designed:

http://iconfactory.com/design/detail/ubuntu [iconfactory.com]

By one guy. Working directly with Mark.

My suggestion for the art team would be to establish someone as an art director. Someone that Mark trusts to implement his vision. And then have that art director give specific tasks to the designers that report to him.

It sounds like they're heading in that direction by giving Frank Stroep the title of "Artist in Chief". His task now is to tell people what he wants. And if you think it's easy being a hard ass when it comes to design & the people who do it, let me assure you IT IS NOT.

If this doesn't happen, they'll end up taking the "design by committee" approach. The result of this kind of process is something that no one loves -- a lowest common denominator. Sort of like when software is designed by a committee :-)

For what it's worth, I'm a principal in the company that did the Ubuntu work -- so I speak from experience about this stuff :-)

-ch

Incremental improvement, no revolution (1)

martijnd (148684) | more than 7 years ago | (#16848426)

Having installed Edgy on a couple of computer these last few days, and upgraded a few Dapper machines, I find its artwork pretty relaxing. I didn't like the brown colors at first, but you get used to it very quickly.

Efty's new boot up logo looks much better than the old one, and I am happy that they got rid of all the boot up messages on start-up, which was just distracting crud.

Nice one -- on the computers I installed it on, it just worked and the upgrades went smootly. Your milage may vary of course.

You mean these? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16848562)

Perhaps they were referring to these edgy Ubuntu [flickr.com] Logos [flickr.com] ??! (warning: naked humans)

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