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PlayStation Marketer Explains PS3 TV Ads

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the good-because-i-don't-understand dept.

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Newsweek's N'Gai Croal writes "In a two-part Q&A, Playstation marketing chief Peter Dille discusses the PS3 ad campaign, Microsoft's blogger superiority, why Ludacris is his kind of celebrity and more." From the article: "Emotion is a big part of the category. You've seen the baby spot, which kicked off the TV effort. The whole thought behind that was, look at the wide variety of emotions the PlayStation 3 can elicit. The other theme we're setting up is that the power of the PlayStation 3 is so awesome that anything placed in close proximity is witness to this awesome power. So this baby doll is whipsawed through a gut-wrenching range of emotions, from laughing and crying to reverse crying. That's going to set up a series of spots where you'll see the power of the PlayStation 3 in this white room environment." N'Gai also has a great piece up looking at why screenshots are no longer effective marketing for next-gen games.

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Slashdot explains better (0)

D4rk Fx (862399) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872592)

Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

Here's a clue: (3, Insightful)

mrsbrisby (60242) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873270)

If you have to explain your ads, then they didn't work.

Re:Here's a clue: (4, Insightful)

rayde (738949) | more than 7 years ago | (#16874436)

if we're talking about them at ALL, they worked.

Re:Here's a clue: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16876272)

Not all talk is good, especially for the bottom line.

Case in point? Kevin Federline.

Lot of news about him of late. But how many are buying his CD's?

Re:Here's a clue: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16877098)

if we're talking about them at ALL, they worked.

Um, no. The purpose of advertising is to sell products, not to get people talking about adverts.

If we're talking about them in a way that causes the number of people considering buying a PS3 to increase, then maybe you have a case. But the mere fact that we're talking about them? At best, indicates that they haven't yet failed.

Save your money (0, Troll)

Asshat Canada (804093) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872598)

Buy a butt-plug and sodomize yourself. Why let Sony have all the fun?

Re:Save your money (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16872810)

In total agreement, I would rather an enema with battery acid before buying this nightmare. Fuck Metal Gear and Blue Ray.

Re:Save your money (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16873444)

Actually, no one will be buying anything, since my brother received the shipment of PS3's for his Toys R Us and they got a grand total of... three.

They got 15 pre-orders, so it should be an interesting weekend.

To be fair, apparently they are supposed to receive five more today.

Of course, what makes it all the more interesting is that apparently one dude pre-ordered four of them.

Re:Save your money (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16874414)

the funny thing is that this post would have been modded funny if you didn't say "Fuck Metal Gear"

Re:Save your money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16877946)

I don't know, with all the crap being, posted Zonk doesn't seem to be enjoying his Microsoft branded one....

Emotions? (4, Funny)

Lostconfused (1019042) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872646)

The baby was supposed to elicit emotions? as in more then fear or horror? Actually at first i thought that the commercial was for a new survival horror game.

Re:Emotions? (2, Informative)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872694)

Agreed. My wife saw the commercial and actually asked me to change the channel next time it came on. Somehow, I doubt they are drawing in anyone outside of the hardcore demographic.

Re:Emotions? (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#16874192)

The point of marketing is to make you remember. If you've had ANY reaction to the commercial that makes you remember it more, then they're doing just what they've paid for.

Re:Emotions? (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#16874714)

I generally do not revisit a restaurant if the food sucks and the service is terrible. Just remembering is not enough to make me a consumer or patron. I would say you need a positive reaction for the commercials to be a success.

Re:Emotions? (1)

cptgrudge (177113) | more than 7 years ago | (#16875310)

But it makes me not want to buy a PS3! I know that they say that if they've made any impact that makes you remember it, they've succeeded, but at what point does it become negative?

I mean, decency standards aside, I could put an ad on TV of a donkey getting sodomized by a midget, and then splash a company name up there. My message? "You're an ass, and we're small, but you'll still take it in the butt!"

It's offensive to our sensibilities in almost every way, but you'll probably remember the company name, right? Will that make you buy the product or service?

Re:Emotions? (1)

Murasaki Skies (894086) | more than 7 years ago | (#16875956)

Will that make you buy the product or service?

YES.

Re:Emotions? (1)

Weedlekin (836313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16882634)

"The point of marketing is to make you remember."

The point of marketing is to sell more products.

"If you've had ANY reaction to the commercial that makes you remember it more, then they're doing just what they've paid for."

They're doing what they were paid for if the money made from selling more products exceeds the amount spent on the marketing campaign, and not otherwise. There have been plenty of campaigns that people remembered for all the wrong reasons which failed to do this, or even resulted in negative sales, and those campaigns quickly ended up being withdrawn (e.g. "Dude, you're getting a Dell!").

Re:Emotions? (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#16874360)

Somehow, I doubt they are drawing in anyone outside of the hardcore demographic.

Um, yeah, because the ads wouldn't make a lick of sense to anyone who wasn't already fully aware of what the PS3 was and what it portended... in which case you are probably a gamer who knows all about the upcoming generation and have already picked what system you're going to buy.

Hell, the only reason I was able to discern that those weird markings on the black screen at the end of the add were the release date was because I already knew what the release date was, so "|||7" didn't just look like random lines.

Sony apparently thinks they are in the same position as Nike, where they can have an ad that says not a single damn thing about their product and then throw a swoosh at the end.

Re:Emotions? (1)

c_forq (924234) | more than 7 years ago | (#16877490)

wow, I am a gamer and I thought those lines at the end were HD, and was wondered why they made them so funky. I think they need a new advertising agency.

Re:Emotions? (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873432)

emotions. You do know that the ps3 has the ps2 EMOTION ENGINE. Thats the source of its power.

a summary (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872648)

here's a summary of his answer: "we're an asian company...what, you've never seen anime?"

Honestly (2, Interesting)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872656)


These commercials are all pretty creepy. Definitely not something makes me want to buy it.

On the other hand, I had in the past dismissed several times Red Steel as being probably a dumb game. However, the recent commercials for it with the funny "master" with the white beard making all the wise cracks actually made me reconsider. I'm going to buy that one now, along with Zelda, whenever I get around to picking up a Wii.

Re:Honestly (1)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872880)

Actually, all the Wii commercials have left me cringing a bit - nothing in the gameplay their showing looks particularly compelling (basically "hey, what do we do with this new platform for our fighting game...uhhh...just replace the button mashes with weird gestures!") Putting some goofy kid "in the game" (even though its good to show actual game mechanics) makes me giggle and think of late 80s/early 90s ads for the power glove and such. I'd like to see more of the Wii sports games or things like Tiger Woods, where the motion of the character on screen translates more naturally and familiarly to the person playing the game. Sort of like the original teaser ads where it just showed people playing different games with recognizable motions (fishing, sword fighting, etc). But I guess they don't need ads for Zelda!

Re:Honestly (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873006)

These commercials are all pretty creepy. Definitely not something makes me want to buy it.

You might not be the target market, then. We nerds on the Internet often forget that not everyone thinks like nerds on the Internet. One of the reasons the Playstation was successful (in the US) was that Sony did a good job of capturing the MTV- and pro sports-watching crowds. They did this by making offbeat, weird ads that often had little to do with the game they were advertising. These ads just continue that tradition.

The bigger issue here is how advertising is becoming much less about the actual product, and more about a "brand" or "experience". Of couse, this type of thing (appealing to emotion) has been going on for years, but it still baffles me as to why people fall for it.

Re:Honestly (1)

Ziwcam (766621) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873400)

I was actually thinking the same about the zune ads. I don't know if they're airing, but they're on the website (https://www.zune-arts.net/) (which, for some reason, is secured...)

Click on the grey guy with tons of eyes. Its mildly disturbing.

As an aside, if you were going to release a product, wouldn't you check to see if the domain is free before you announce it? (http://www.zune.com)

Re:Honestly (1)

Ziwcam (766621) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873480)

Bah.. Bad form to reply to self and all that, but thought I'd make these links active for the lazy among us.

https://www.zune-arts.net/ [zune-arts.net]
http://www.zune.com/ [zune.com]

ummmmm (3, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872658)

Chiat Day does the ads for both Apple and PlayStation. Why have the Apple ads been far more memorable?

Because I wasn't there?


What a glowing self-endorsement of his skills...

It's like a joke (4, Insightful)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872690)

Marketing is like a joke. If you have to explain it to your audience, it's failed.

Re:It's like a joke (1)

humina (603463) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872886)

so true... The commercials are creepy, weird, and they don't make me excited about gaming at all.

I thought it was like sex... (0)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872924)

except you're having it.

Re:I thought it was like sex... (1)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873460)

Well, in that case, if your partner asks you to explain what you were trying to do, that's certainly not a good sign.

Re:It's like a joke (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872938)

Definately agree!

Basically, we have a product that needs no marketing at all anyway, and a division or department in the company that was given a budget and had to use it or risk losing it next year because of how stupid corporate policy generally works.

They also need to do things that will make them visible to the management of the company as much as to perspective buyers, because perception is reality and if management approves cash for ads and then they don't see any, the budget gets cut.

I work in Coca Cola city (Atlanta, GA) and home of Turner Broadcasting. They really don't need to adverstise Coke on all those billboards just miles from the coke headquarters, or that TNT has an NBA game on Thursday nights a block away from the Turner campus. They do it because then the executives get to see what they're spending their money on.

The more bizarre the commercial, the more notice it gets.

The whole thing is just stupid.

Coke and Pepsi (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873498)

It's a well-established, very basic business-school case study. Coke and Pepsi advertise only against each other, and only so that people think that there is really a choice, while the government pretends that there's not an oligopoly in place. It's like Republicans and Democrats. They both know that they have half of the market, they're both very happy with half of a huge market, and they'd both like to keep it that way. Coke and Pepsi don't market to get more customers. They have virtually 100% brand awareness at this point. They're doing it just to maintain the illusion of competition.

Re:Coke and Pepsi (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873740)

So R.C. is the Ralph Nader of cola?

Re:Coke and Pepsi (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16874268)

I know R.C. Cola, but who's this Ralph Nader guy?

Re:Coke and Pepsi (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16876132)

Actually, yes. He's not even acknowledged by the parties, so that they don't give him any credibility as a authentic 3rd party candidate. Same thing. Coke and Pepsi never have and probably never will advertise opposing RC Cola. They just ignore it and pretend it's not there.

Re:It's like a joke (1)

Achoi77 (669484) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873130)

Not too sure about that. Marketing should have no real responsibility to try to tell you the 'deep meaning' of the message being conveyed. The core responsibility should be to illicit a response in order to increase retention of recognition of said brand - whether it be positive or negative. The ad's success is from the rather freaky nature of the ad itself - people remember the ad indefinately; the meaning behind the ad is where the marketing dept went to have a little fun.

This isn't the first time sony came out with these ads, but it is one of the rare moments where this style of advertisement got such wide recognition. There were some really straight up wierd PS2 ads a few years back, but I can't seem to find them at the moment.

Re:It's like a joke (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873508)

Marketing is like a joke. If you have to explain it to your audience, it's failed.

There's having to explain it to your audience and then there's your audience desiring an explanation.

It's the difference between approaching marketing as presenting a joke and approaching it as presenting a puzzle or unsolved mystery.

The ad works when it leaves the audience wanting to know more, which leads to them coming to you to find out more. You've drawn them in.

Re:It's like a joke (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881314)

The ad works when it leaves the audience wanting to know more, which leads to them coming to you to find out more. You've drawn them in.

Except in this case I don't think it's a matter of the audience wanting to know more. It's more like people found the ad distasteful, and now Sony has to explain/spin the ad into a positive light.

So, is this a case of any attention is good attention, or is it leaving people with a bad impression of the product? That baby spot is just awful. You've got this alien, obsidian overlord and a creepy baby from Uncanny Valley. Is this supposed to make the average consumer want to plunk down $500 to put this box in their living room?

Wrong (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873574)

Marketing is like a joke. If you have to explain it to your audience, it's failed.

You sir, are clearly not in marketing, because you're 100% wrong. The goal of marketing is to get people to remember your product. If a marketing campaign is confusing, it may very well be successful, so long as the campaign and the product are memorable. This is Marketing 101.

Re:Wrong (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16874114)

Marketing is like a joke. If you have to explain it to your audience, it's failed.
You sir, are clearly not in marketing, because you're 100% wrong. The goal of marketing is to get people to remember your product. If a marketing campaign is confusing, it may very well be successful, so long as the campaign and the product are memorable. This is Marketing 101.

You sir, are clearly not an English speaker, because you're 100% wrong. If the marketing campaign was confusing but got people to remember your product, then you didn't have to explain it to anyone. This is English 101.

This guy is smokin it up... (2, Insightful)

Azureflare (645778) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872792)

I want to see what games are available at launch for a console. I don't want to see what some marketer thinks the effect of a PS3 should be on people. I don't buy a new console for the overwhelming effect it has on me (pffffffft) but for the GAMES. And, strangely enough I am quite impressed with some of the games they have lined up. Why would they think that an ad for say, White Knight wouldn't be more effective than a silly ad cooked up by some markedroid?

If Sony thinks the console is going to sell itself, they have a problem. The games are what matter. What is odd in this case is that many of the games are good, so I don't know why Sony doesn't just go with the games.

Re:This guy is smokin it up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16873472)

I don't think /. is the right place for this article. But since it's here, I'll add something.

I'm beginning to believe the rumors that SONY is trying to kill itself. Not that this is necessarily the game plan for the company, as a whole, but that their directors/managers seem to be acting in ways that undermine their work. The sort of action that seems to BEG getting fired. It's like a cultural thing at that company now.

Honestly, I won't be surprised if there's news of some executive being arrested for public drunkenness or some similar misdemeanor. This is getting crazy.

Not as bad as PSP commercials. (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872834)

These PS3 commercials are pretty lame but not as bad as those annoying PSP commercials. How hard is it to create a decent commercial for the most powerful game console ever? I'd be most impressed if they took real-time, non FMV, footage actually cranked out from the PS3 so we can really see how good it'll look. They say it's the best so I say for them to prove it in their ads. Make me drool and ache with need.

Overly stylized commercials are just stupid. At most I'd do something like for the Matrix where you never say exactly what the product is but you give little teasers that really hook people and make them want to see more.

Re:Not as bad as PSP commercials. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16872882)

How hard does it have to be to create a commercial for the most powerful game console, ever?!?!?!? Well, first of all, it has to be 'the most powerful game console, ever'. How can it be if it is going to be replaced and it just as powerful as the 360??

Re:Not as bad as PSP commercials. (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872944)

In my opinion these comercials represent the PS3 pretty well ...

There is a massive focus on becoming cool with little interest in why something is cool in the first place. People loved the Playstation (and PS2) because it was affordable and had the largest line-up of games, there really is no 'magic' about it. What Sony seems focused on is technology (cell), media (Blu-Ray) and cool-ness when they should be producing a low cost system and ensuring they have the most (and the best) games released exclusively for it.

If they had 5 high quality exclusive games at launch, the best advertizing strategy would be to show all these games and have a big ass sign that said (ONLY ON PS3).

Re:Not as bad as PSP commercials. (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873040)

Apparently your memory is very selective. The initial marketing effort for every playstation so far has been on the 'cool' factor, sprinkled with a heaping helping of exaggerations regarding the power of the system. Eventually, the largest line-up of games was available. Initially, in both generations, there was almost nothing worth playing.

Re:Not as bad as PSP commercials. (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873522)

Affordable to me equals crappy. Might as well grab a Flashback Atari and have yourself some affordable fun. Affordable is buying a $15 video card and a $50 CPU and sitting around playing three year old games. Yeah, there were some good games three years ago but do I want to choose to play old favorites or be forced to?

I think the 'cool' ads are a marketing mistake. They don't catch your attention, they don't come easily to mind later, and they just don't make you lust for the machine. I'd put it on the same level of marketing mistake as renaming the Revolution to Wii. These things won't stop fans from buying these consoles but they'll hurt their perspective companies penetration among casual buyers.

Although for a $600 PS3 I'm not sure how many casual buyers there will be anyway - it'll be mostly hardcore geeks and gamers I think. For a $600 console to reach the casual buyer Sony will have to make the PS3 look really sexy - it has to be in the same consideration as a luxary car or the jumbo sized flat tv. If the PS3 isn't a status symbol then Sony won't reach the casual buyer.

In a year or so though I wonder if Sony won't lower the PS3 price quite a bit as they have a history of doing with earlier consoles. Then their prices will be within reach of the casual buyer and they'll have the sexiest next gen console. Release isn't when most consoles are sold. It's over the next few years up to the next next gen console that most are sold. All they have to do is slash prices during that time period and they'll be gold. Still, they need ads that make the machine look good now so that people will want it when they do cut the price.

I think they need to show off the games that are ready at launch but also show off upcoming games and even demos that show off the power of their systems. I'm not overly worried about exclusive content when I buy a game. If anything I like not being forced to own a certain console to play a game. What I do like is if a game takes full advantage of the power of whatever system it's on. So I could play the game on Wii or XBox but it'll offer more on PS3. IMO the losser consoles tend to try to push that they have exclusive titles while the best console just does everything better.

Re:Not as bad as PSP commercials. (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873714)

"Affordable to me equals crappy. Might as well grab a Flashback Atari and have yourself some affordable fun."

When inflation is taken into account, the launch price of the PS3 is about as high as the launch price of the 2600. Remember how that wonderfully expensive 2600 ended up?

How about, instead of focusing solely on the price tag, you consider the ratio of bang/buck?

Re:Not as bad as PSP commercials. (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873812)

You're definately right. I remember the Atari 2600 being around $250 (I could be wrong) which is probably not to different from a $600 console today.

I'm mostly interested in the amount of bang total. If they make it so you can daisy chain units together to increase the output of the system I'd be likely to buy more than one.

LAN play (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16876740)

If they make it so you can daisy chain units together to increase the output of the system I'd be likely to buy more than one.

The PC fanboys would claim that you can already do this: instead of putting four players in a split screen on one large monitor fed by one system, put four players on four smaller monitors fed by four networked systems. However, this would not help for games like Smash Bros. or Bomberman that show most of the playfield all the time anyway.

Re:Not as bad as PSP commercials. (1)

Jerf (17166) | more than 7 years ago | (#16876552)

I'd be most impressed if they took real-time, non FMV, footage actually cranked out from the PS3 so we can really see how good it'll look.
I really wish they'd do this, for all three consoles. I've had a hard time seeing them in action. The XBox360 at my local retailers are all on the verge of death. Who knows when the PS3 will have the spare units to put out on the floor? Online video captures have to use horrible compression.

The best way to show me your game's graphics is on TV, but instead they squander such opportunities on stupid set pieces, FMVs, or such rapid-fire screenshots that I barely have time to tell what's going on before we're on the next shot. (I understand the rapid-fire cutting techniques we use today but I think we often over-do it by about a factor of two; if the point is not to just beat the consumer over the head, but to actually show off your product, I need to see more than a .8 second snippet. Movie trailers have this problem two, and even worse; to populate the 60-second trailer with enough .8 second snippets you damn near end up showing the entire movie.)

This is doubly-true for High Def.

The XBox360 has done a few good commercials like this, I think, although I can't guarantee it was in-game graphics.

(I have seen the Wii in person now at my local gamestop, and played Excite Truck on a widescreen HD screen. I'll say this: It may not be an XBox 360 or a PS3, but it still looks pretty good even on high-quality screens and at point-blank range.)

Re:Not as bad as PSP commercials. (1)

steve_bryan (2671) | more than 7 years ago | (#16877562)

They could even (gasp! horror!) push the envelope and produce a few HD commercials of gameplay. Although almost all new network shows have been produced in HD for the last several years we have the odd spectacle of TV switching back to 4x3 standard definition every time they go to a commercial break (There are a few exceptions like some Apple iPod commercials in HD). Since HD is a feature of the current generation of consoles why not play that up and demonstrate more clearly why it would be worthwhile dropping hundreds of dollars for yet another console?

Currently I'm doing their job for them by downloding HD clips of gameplay from various web sites. It would be nice if they could get over their pathetic navel gazing and actually do something useful.

Why the PS3 ad campaign sucks... (5, Insightful)

Turken (139591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872840)

Short answer: Because it's made by advertising people, not gamers.

Long answer: How many people in the Ad business do you know that are also hardcore gamers? Not many. In general, advertising people are artists - right brained folks, while gamers tend to be more technical and logical left brainers. Especially at places like slashdot. This guy is talking about trying to appeal to emotions in the advertisements, but he's doing it in a way that is fairly abstract. Logical people either don't get it or don't like it. Average Joe Sixpack tends to be neither artistic nor logical. He just wants to laugh, and the ps3 ads are nowhere close to the humor of the average superbowl beer commercial.

So, unless Sony is trying to reach out to the artistic - creative people and convince them to buy a PS3, the current advertising is not going to be that effective. After all, how many artists are going to be emotionally moved by the crying baby AND have enough spare cash sitting around to afford a PS3?

Re:Why the PS3 ad campaign sucks... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16873188)

It's amusing when idiots regurgitate nonsense about brain hemishphere dominance on the carpet. Throw in some quasi-elitest nonsense about the Joe Sixpack, and you have the Slashdot User That Does Not Interact With Humans Nor Has Any Meaningful Academic Credentials seal of Failed Anecdote and Science. We're all deeply-fascinated by your ass-backed junior psychology explanation of the ad agency's work, really.

Advertising is simply meant to bring the attention of the viewer to the product in question. The PS3 ads are clearly meant to be weird so that the viewer will notice them in the sea of Geico and Progressive ads talking about themselves for two minutes. They further attempt to establish a sense of power (continuation of "it's thinking") and emphasize the aesthetics of the device, so that it is recognizable for holiday shopping.

Sony could throw shit on a white wall with "PLAYSTATION 3" and it would work, because it would let people know that the PS3 is going to be available for purchase, and since 3 > 2 it's time to buy it. The fact that people talk about these ads is counted as a success by the ad agency, since its job is to create awareness of the product and let your materialism do the rest, and not trick you into shelling out over a grand for a bundle.

Re:Why the PS3 ad campaign sucks... (1)

rilister (316428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873228)

anybody else remember the uber-creepy, totally abstract PS2 adverts, directed by David Lynch? The third place?

Duck-headed people. Nothing at all to do with gaming.

And I still remember them now: I think they pretty strongly sent the message that this was no normal gaming system, and that Sony was at the cutting edge: of games, of art, of movie. And that they had money to burn hiring a top level director for 1min commericials.

These seem like tamed-down rehashs of those ideas - be arresting, surprising. But no duck-heads. Shame.

Cheers,
rob

It ain't artistic either. (3, Insightful)

Ayanami Rei (621112) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873340)

It's browbeating you with broad strokes of concepts and emotions.
* It will make you feel emotions, refresh the genre (baby)
* It will be very powerful (hovering self-solving rubix cube)
etc.

They place the stuff in a stock gray room which forces you to interpret and accept these concepts. Then the use the weird sound effects and music and make the monolith, i mean system hover: THE PS3 IS GOING TO BE VERY GOOD HEY THIS LOOKS KINDA LIKE 2001 SPACE ODYSSEY NO?

This isn't art. This is hype and hackery. It isn't clever, or introspective. It just makes the same outlandish claims about a product only in a new shell. It's only supposed to make the viewer _feel_ like they are clever and "got it". It's like the Matrix. There isn't anything to get. Philosophy and art 101, with a masturbation option.

Re:It ain't artistic either. (0)

Turken (139591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873828)

"It's only supposed to make the viewer _feel_ like they are clever and "got it". It's like the Matrix. There isn't anything to get. Philosophy and art 101, with a masturbation option"

heh. I like that description. It's a shame I already posted in this story so I can't use my mod points to bump you up.

Of course I always though "Art 101 w/ masturbation option" was a person sitting in the back row of the library shelves ogling some ancient stone boobies.

Re:It ain't artistic either. (1)

MadMoses (151207) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881828)

It's like the Matrix. There isn't anything to get. Philosophy and art 101, with a masturbation option.

Good review!

Re:Why the PS3 ad campaign sucks... (1)

gt_mattex (1016103) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873920)

Agreed

If they wanted to convey power they should have 10 of them in a Beowulf cluster cracking a PGP email.

Then perhaps techs everywhere would go and buy them en mass 2 or 3 at a time.

Re:Why the PS3 ad campaign sucks... (1)

Darth (29071) | more than 7 years ago | (#16875356)

The problem with that is that then everybody on "TotallyBlog : News for cheerleaders, stuff that's, like, totally Awesome" would be confused. They would be wondering why sony made a stupid commercial showing 10 ps3s sitting on a table displaying a bunch of random letters. Hell, it's not even english.

Maybe they didnt make the ad to target techs because they expect techs to read the specs and want one for the cool technology in it.

Note, I'm not saying the original ad campaign is good. I haven't seen it.

Re:Why the PS3 ad campaign sucks... (1)

biovoid (785377) | more than 7 years ago | (#16879872)

Long answer: How many people in the Ad business do you know that are also hardcore gamers? Not many. In general, advertising people are artists - right brained folks, while gamers tend to be more technical and logical left brainers.

Sorry, but you're wrong. I've worked several jobs in the advertising industry, and half of the creative people in that industry are gamers to some degree. I've worked at companies that have PS2s & X-Boxes in the boardrooms for Friday night gaming sessions. I'm currently working for a multimedia company, and about half of the company are gamers, half again of which are hard-core gamers.

Not only that, but most of my friends are right-brained artistic types, and most of them are also gamers.

Game development itself is primarily a creative task involving large teams of artists. The majority of them are also gamers.

And your last comment implying that artists are poor just shows how ignorant you are. You obviously don't know many artists, or you simply know a lot of bad artists. Most I know are quite successful, and happen to own multiple consoles.

If the PS3 ads suck, it's simply because the people making them aren't doing a good job.

Baby commercial??! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16872874)

"Chucky want Playstation 3. We'll be best friends till the end!"

The ads are all subjective... (1)

madhatter256 (443326) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872930)

These ads are all subjective to where they simply evoke emotions that you want to feel. Automakers, and pharmaceuticals create commercials like these and those sell the car. People want to feel good, etc. So, selling the PS3 as something that will make your jaw drop and feel ephereal need not go any further, according to the commercial. Some people will feel this way when they buy it and play the games, and some people won't. Simple as that.

They should have made (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16872952)

a dancing baby, that would attract more people

Let me get this right... (1)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872966)

This Sony PR flak says:

All of our research shows that price is a barrier. They might say it's not the ultimate barrier, because they've been charging people, but our research suggests that it is a barrier.

And they price the device itself into the stratosphere?
Holy double talk batman!

Right (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16872996)

"Emotion is a big part of the category. You've seen the baby spot, which kicked off the TV effort. The whole thought behind that was, look at the wide variety of emotions the PlayStation 3 can elicit. The other theme we're setting up is that the power of the PlayStation 3 is so awesome that anything placed in close proximity is witness to this awesome power....


So... you wanted to illustrate that 'anything placed in close proximity is witness to this awesome power' by placing a baby who would probably be endlessly entertained with a game of peek-a-boo next to the unit. Then you illustrated the AWESOME computing power of the PS3 by having it solve a Rubick's cube in 20 seconds. Maybe next you can illustrate how wonderful the HD resolution is by having people run out to by 90" TV's so they can finally compare it to the 360.

Lies to Truth parser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16873122)

"Emotion is a big part of the category. You've seen the baby spot, which kicked off the TV effort. The whole thought behind that was, look at the wide variety of emotions the PlayStation 3 can elicit. The other theme we're setting up is that the power of the PlayStation 3 is so awesome that anything placed in close proximity is witness to this awesome power. So this baby doll is whipsawed through a gut-wrenching range of emotions, from laughing and crying to reverse crying. That's going to set up a series of spots where you'll see the power of the PlayStation 3 in this white room environment."
Lies to Truth parser says:

"We're targetting 12-15 year olds by animating a completely stripped baby doll's face."

"We couldn't use the already produced, much better commercials used in other regions because of our huge fucking egos."

gee (1)

hurfy (735314) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873298)

It's a good thing they explained that baby commercial...I was REALLY begining to wonder about their target demographic :O

Not that i understand why crying is related to gaming. Exactly what game makes one cry ?!? I was kinda hoping for FUN from a PS3 personally but to each his own. The only thing i can relate to is when EA shutdown the MCO servers... So sony will get me wrapped up in a game and then take it all away? Umm, that isn't gonna get me to pluck down $600 anytime soon.

WTF is reverse crying? I don't work for an ad agency.

Still creepy no matter what some drugged out ad exec thinks.

Re:gee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16874964)

FF VII, enough said.

So.. They leaned nothing from the PSP ads (2, Insightful)

AnswerIs42 (622520) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873360)

So.. they didn't learn a damn thing from the PSP commercials.. and we saw what a huge hit didn't become.

Another poster was correct.. if you have to explain the commerical.. it is a falure.

the real question... (1)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873382)

is why are there TV ads in the first place? There's obviously going to be a shortage of PS3s, the last thing Sony should be doing it creating more demand until they can catch up in terms of supply.

Sure, you can argue that in theory PS3 commercials may make people who were going to buy a 360 or Wii this holiday hold off for for a PS3. Is there really any substance to that idea?

Re:the real question... (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873784)

Sure, you can argue that in theory PS3 commercials may make people who were going to buy a 360 or Wii this holiday hold off for for a PS3. Is there really any substance to that idea?

Absolutely, there is. There's a history of doing that successfully in marketing. I haven't watched TV in many years, but I remember seeing TV ads a long time ago that were for cars, but showed no picture of the car, because it wasn't released yet. It would show a bumper, or a silhouette, or some tiny detail. It's about building excitement and hype. The PS3's will arrive shortly. There's no question about that. Apple is about the only major modern retail manufacturer that honestly cannot keep up with production (primarily because they don't have any good manufacturing people on staff). Sony will have the shelves full soon enough. This initial release and whatever marketing they are doing is just getting everybody excited so that they WILL fly off the shelves.

Screenshots are pretty much useless these days.. (1)

rubberbando (784342) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873412)

What I want to see is video and of actual gameplay to sell me on a game...

The reason being is screenshots have been notorious for being touched up.

Also, theres the deceitful practice of using screenies of pre-rendered cut scenes to make a game look a lot prettier in an advertisment when the actual gameplay graphics aren't nearly as good.

On top of that, a static shot doesn't show you things like the smoothness (or lack of) of the game's animation, anti-aliasing, and clipping issues.

Their billboards aren't much better (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873454)

Sony's PS3 billboards aren't any better. The other day, I saw one billboard that looked like it had "///7" written on it. Nothing else. No "Sony", no "Playstation 3", not even their stupid "PLAY B3YOND" tagline. If you didn't already know about the PS3 and know when it was being released, you'd have no idea what the ad was for - and worse still - no way to find out. Sony's TV ads don't even really explain what the ad is for. Is it for the baby doll? (it does get more screentime than that black blocky thing in the corner) Is it for a new horror movie? Maybe a new Silent Hill game? What's the story we're supposed to take away from the ad? "Playstation 3 - it'll really creep the bejeezus out of you!" or maybe "Possessed naked baby dolls can levitate black blocky objects -BEWARE!" Maybe it's just as well the ads are horrible. Sony's shipping so few units to the US that they could drive people away - and still sell out.

Re:Their billboards aren't much better (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 7 years ago | (#16874512)

You clearly don't remember the "Enos lives" campaign. Apparently Enos meant the Ninth of September. I'd say ///7 is an improvement, comparatively.

Monolith (1)

stox (131684) | more than 7 years ago | (#16873674)

I guess no one is noticing the obvious tie in to 2001, a space odyssey. Black monolith, star child, sterile white room.

Re:Monolith (1)

DoktorSeven (628331) | more than 7 years ago | (#16874208)

Appropriate, since the PS3's graphics are on par with PC graphics in 2001...

Re:Monolith (1)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 7 years ago | (#16874394)

Appropriate, since the PS3's graphics are on par with PC graphics in 2001...
By God, I hope that's a horrible joke. If not, it's a bloody movie [imdb.com] , look it up

Re:Monolith (1)

DoktorSeven (628331) | more than 7 years ago | (#16878818)

By Chaos, I think I know that, since I said "appropriate". It's a joke, a reference, and commentary all in one.

IT'S MAGIC!

PS3 = Emotion? Where did I hear that before... (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16874168)

Oh, right! The PS2 has an "Emotion Engine" chip! This guy is just recycling the old "Emotion" part for the PS3 via marketing.

The PS3 is just a console, get over it.

They really need a marketing campaign? (1)

flaknugget (938238) | more than 7 years ago | (#16875444)

I don't understand why Sony would need a marketing campaign at all, other than to just demonstrate it's making some kind of effort.

The media hype is sufficient to inform people there IS a new PlayStation, and it's coming SOON... what else is needed?

They can't fill demand for the product as it is, and if the 360 is any indication, stores won't have a problem of units sitting on shelves for more than 24 hours until late Spring, probably later.

A good marketing campaign for the PS3 would be something that actually stengthened the entire SONY brand, at least in North America and Europe.

And this current silly, vague, nondescript marketing campaign only exemplifies how blindly arrogant SONY has become, which is one of the major complaints customers have developed in the past year.

SONY, you any cool, you're chilly, and chilly ain't never been cool.

creepy (1)

coaxial (28297) | more than 7 years ago | (#16875678)

That ad campaign is creepy. Creepy like the end of 2001 creepy. I think they're the good kind of creepy, but I of all the people I talked to, no one else thinks that. They think the ads are the bad kind of creepy. The kind of creepy that heralds something demonic.

WTF? (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#16875862)

How is "Reverse Crying" an emotional response? Can you remember the last time you bawled backwards? Seriously, emotion was the LAST thing I took away from that spot, more like disturbed fuckedupedness.

Re:WTF? (1)

erikdotla (609033) | more than 7 years ago | (#16878766)

It's supposed to represent that the PS3 can elicit new emotions you didn't even know you had. It's that powerful.

Typical marketer thinking.

They're effective... (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#16876014)

I'm a commercial producer myself, and even though the baby commercial (the only one I've seen aired so far) may be disturbing, it's memerable and sticks with you. Disturbing isn't neccessarilly a bad thing in advertising, because it means the spot is hard to forget. Now, I totally disagree with their reasoning behind the ad... "emotion"? Wow, he really did have to explain that for me to understand it. But for what it is, the fact that we're talking about it here is a pretty good indication of its success.

A similar example that all of my sales staff and I have been talking about is Yahoo's "Lawn Fertilizer" commerical, in which, after using a type of fertilizer bought off of Yahoo, the familly's previously dead dog jumps up from out of its garden grave, with an exclamation from a little girl, "Fluffy, you're alive!" *Shivers* that shit doesn't leave you.

You lost me at "I'm a commercial producer myself" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16876616)

The fact that you are a commercial producer yourself means that you are not the target demographic for which these ads are a complete and utter failure.

"the fact that we're talking about it here is a pretty good indication of its success"

No, we're talking about it here because these ads have failed so badly that the people behind them are having to come out and explain why we should give a damn about a baby crying in an empty room.

When the commercials start showing amazing gameplay footage non-stop, only then Sony will have an ad campaign that actually serves the interests of its target demographic.

Re:You lost me at "I'm a commercial producer mysel (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#16877412)

Bullshit. People watching TV, casually, are much less interested in seeing the product in action, then seeing unique presentations like skits, and the like... since they're most likely watching TV for entertainment in the first place. As I always tell my sales staff, content is fairly irrelivant in ads, they're about establishing identity and a unique style that separates a business from everyone else. This goes for local spots and national spots alike.

And the Sony execuative only came out and explained it AFTER it got a lot of press. Ever heard of the phrase, "there's no such thing as bad publicity?", well, that's especially true in advertising. You may not like it... hell, I fucking hate the commercial, but I'll definitely remember it... and that's basically 95% of the success of an advertisement. Now, if I was to walk away from the commercial with a strong opinion, but not knowing what the commercial was for (like a certain Pepto Bismal commercial I researched into), that would be a different matter, but this one is very forward about what it is.

Re:You lost me at "I'm a commercial producer mysel (1)

scot4875 (542869) | more than 7 years ago | (#16880718)

Maybe that's true for the mouth breather demographic that you advertisers primarily target, but for the rest of us, we find your 'skits' to be an uninteresting, often insulting, waste of time.

--Jeremy

Its called viral marketing (1)

ghostcorps (975146) | more than 7 years ago | (#16880662)

The ad says nothing about the product, it doesn't have to. As long as you (Mr General Public) now know that the P$3 has begun the launch campaign, it has succeeded. Obviously the more targeted and 'informative' advertisements will follow suit, but for now they only need to place their products name in the markets mind.

Launch ads for consoles are just a formality (1)

Azih (1027674) | more than 7 years ago | (#16884816)

Launch ads for consoles exit just to keep the marketing buzz up. Everybody who is going to get one on the launch day knows about it already and the people who are going to pick one up over the holidays are going to be convinced by Mainstream media news pieces and reviews not adverts. As soon as the launch period finishes advertising budgets shift completely to new games and eventually Greatest Hits re-releases with major pushes happening for the killer-app games. The consoles themselves are no longer front and center.

What a retarded commercial (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 7 years ago | (#16884832)

Nintendo fans make better commercials [yourdailymedia.com] than Sony's marketing team.

What motivates ad agencies? (1)

Autonomous Crowhard (205058) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886820)

One of the things to have to ask yourself is: What is the ad agency advertising?

Are they advertising the product? NO! They are advertising themselves as a kickass ad agency! Look at how beautiful our ad was. Look at how many awards it won. Look at how much business it generated. Do you remember who the ad was for?

Every time I see an ad like this I think of Homer Simpson's high-brow Mr. Plow ad.

Marge: Was that your ad?

Homer: I... don't... know.

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