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Have You Found the Perfect Sync?

Cliff posted more than 7 years ago | from the sync-with-me-baby dept.


DigitalWizard asks: "For me, the perfect sync is a platform independent sync. I have been looking for a website for sometime now; one that will support both SyncML for my mobile devices, and iCalendar for my laptop, with which I can keep events, tasks and contacts up to date on all. If I can use SyncML, I can synchronize just about any handheld device, PDA and phone alike. If the same server would also support iCalendar access, then I can use applications such as Mozilla Calendar, or even Rainlendar to access and edit my data from the laptop. This would be my perfect setup because then I am not stuck to using Palm Desktop or Outlook for my handhelds, and I'm free to try out different OS's on my system without losing all my PIM functionality. Plus, if it's web-based I can access it when I'm away from home. I have searched the web, and found quite a few candidates, but nothing quite fits the bill. I would really like to hear if anyone else has found a website which will do all of this. (Correction: I found one, but upon using it, the synchronization does not work very well.) I may publish my own list of finds in the future if feedback to this one is slow, but I'm interested in unbiased feedback for now. Web + SyncML + iCalendar — Is it out there?"

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Wow - sounds like you have a great solution (1)

Salvance (1014001) | more than 7 years ago | (#16880956)

At work, everyone has Blackberry's that sync with Outlook and Exchange, so it enables web access and interfacing with Salesforce and all of our Microsoft solutions. Because we are a relatively small shop with VERY standard systems, we've never really needed or experimented with anything else ... although I must say I'm impressed by the slick system you have setup.

You are looking for OpenSync (4, Informative)

JonathanErnst (981839) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881000)

OpenSync ( does exactly what you are looking : "OpenSync is a synchronization framework that is platform and distribution independent." If you want to read your data from the Web you can sync whatever device or application you want with eGroupware ( for example. I'm using it with different phones, PDAs, Evolution, eGroupware, etc. and it works quite well !

Re:You are looking for OpenSync (0)

RuBLed (995686) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881152)

Thanks for the link, although I have not yet thought of synchronization with my devices much, I might as well try it now :) mod parent up

Try (1)

vally_manea (911530) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881444)

He's looking for a web site that does all that. [] does just that(SyncML 1.2 + iCal) and also allows for sync with Google Calendar. Works almost perfect on my Nokia E50.

Re:Try (1)

DaveG, the Quantum P (664195) | more than 7 years ago | (#16882268)

I have used ScheduleWorld for a little while, but I was under the impression the iCalendar access was read only. Am I correct on this?

OpenSync requires KDE (1)

DaFork (608023) | more than 7 years ago | (#16883232)

I wouldn't call it perfect ;)

Re:OpenSync requires KDE (1)

JonathanErnst (981839) | more than 7 years ago | (#16897018)

That's perfectly wrong! I'm using it here without having any kde related lib.

Have You Found the Perfect Sync? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16881050)

yes, you can find them here [] .

A very tough problem... (5, Interesting)

spiritraveller (641174) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881124)

I have been through this exact same problem. I gave up and am now using a combination of Gmail (with GTDGmail extension) and my Nokia 9300's calendar application.

The 9300 has a really good full qwerty keyboard and a 640 pixels wide screen, so for the most part, I just stick with it and don't sync.

For tasks, I just use Gmail. The GTDGmail extension makes it pretty easy to use the "Getting Things Done" system with Gmail. And since the phone can access the web, I just use gmail's plain html interface over the phone. It is actually faster than using the phone's built-in email client.

I do backup the phone's data to my Windows machine frequently, and I sync the contacts with Outlook so that they can be exported to Gmail. But that's the only thing I use Outlook for. You could probably accomplish the same thing with SyncML using or a similar service.

Re:A very tough problem... (1)

famebait (450028) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881958)

I've been wanting to write a direct sync between my SE phone and google calendar for a while now, but never found the time for more than geting "hello world" to work on my phone.

It should be entirely possible to write a small java (j2me) program that directly accesses the internal calendar on the phone, and talks directly to the external gcal API over gprs or whatever.

No Outlook, no PC, just sync up directly and wirelessly, whenever and wherever. Do drop me a line if anyone decides to make something like this.

Re:A very tough problem... (1)

bdahlem (92909) | more than 7 years ago | (#16882958)

Have you tried gcalsync from [] ?

Re:A very tough problem... (1)

famebait (450028) | more than 7 years ago | (#16883754)

Well I'll be damned. Looks a bit rough still (I need bi-directional sync if there's to be any point), but good to see someone is working on it.

Hell yes. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16881140)

Yep. Extra deep and wide, 6 gauge stainless steel construction. Has a solvent pump and a high pressure water (hot or cold) pump. You can wash an engine in it.

groan... (4, Funny)

BortQ (468164) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881166)

Sounds like this guy wants everything. Up to and including the kitchen sync.

Re:groan... (4, Funny)

sarathmenon (751376) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881262)

Sounds like this guy wants everything. Up to and including the kitchen sync.

Did you mean this [] ?

Mobical (5, Informative)

barbazoo (604828) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881312)

I think mobical [] migh have what you're looking for. I have been using it since 2002 on a wide range of devices and it has always been the best solution for me, and they are not afraid to listen to feedback and implement new cool features.

Yeah... (1)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881344)

I found the perfect sync. She still wanted to be "just friends".

Perfect sync? (2, Funny)

soccerisgod (585710) | more than 7 years ago | (#16881528)



Re:Perfect sync? (1)

Zigg (64962) | more than 7 years ago | (#16882272)

I've found it to be rather imperfect, actually... just to be safe I always umount before disconnect.

Re:Perfect sync? (2, Funny)

CoonAss56 (927862) | more than 7 years ago | (#16882858)

that's /bin/rsyncd you insensitive clod !

I know of just the thing... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16881772)

It's called the bUyfewerfriggInDevIces prOTocol.

Google Calendar needs this! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16882362)

Google Calendar is awesome, but it really needs to add SyncML. Google already supports iCalendar, but using it in Sunbird seems to be read-only.

85hz (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16882854)

just past the perceptible range of flicker.

Windows Mobile 5.0 (1)

gbr (31010) | more than 7 years ago | (#16882872)

As soon as I find reliable software to sync my Dell Axim x51v Windows Mobile 5 device, I can dump Windows.


Re:Windows Mobile 5.0 (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16885586)

Turn it into a Linux device and it will probably work fine :) I'm getting ready to do this with my iPAQ H2210, but then I have Windows CE 4.whatever, not 5.whatever, so I have less reason to stick with the existing software. :P

The Perfect Sync (3, Informative)

Zebra_X (13249) | more than 7 years ago | (#16883092)

You're probably not going to like my version of perfect sync...

Exchange + Outlook + DirectPush

Any changes made via Outlook go to the server. Then they are sent to any active instances of Outlook, finally the phone (T-Mobile Dash) is updated with any new mail, calendar or contacts. Conversely, if I add items in the phone they are instantly available on the desktop. In some cases the phone receives notifications faster than the desktop.

There is also a nice web interface for Exchange that can be accessed securely. It has about 60% of the features of the thick client outlook.

Of course you have to pay for Exchange - but this solution is secure (SSL) and fairly easy to setup.

As an added bonus if I lose my phone I can have exchange blow away the contents of its memory remotely.

Finally real time sync that works!

Re:The Perfect Sync (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16889316)

There is also a nice web interface for Exchange that can be accessed securely. It has about 60% of the features of the thick client outlook.
Please don't say that. It may have a "really nice" ActiveX interface, but the web interface (i.e. the thing you get to see if your browser is not MSIE >=5.5) is so far behind Zimbra [] or even GMail that it just isn't funny at all.

Zimbra (2, Informative)

CoolCash (528004) | more than 7 years ago | (#16883236)

I know that its a paid solution, but [] will do just that. They have an opensource solution, but this doesn't allow syncing to mobile devices. But their network edition supports syncing with Outlook, Mac Mail, iCal and Address book. Also has full sync with Palm OS, Windows Mobile, and Symbian OS devices. If you want blackberry support you will have to purchase a third party service.

Desknow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16884006)

Sounds like you need to find a provider running Desknow as their webmail or run it yourself. It handles multiple types of sync and is a very good webmail product.
DeskNow integrates in a single, easy to administer product:

        * fully featured mail server
        * advanced antispam technologies, antivirus integration and content filtering
        * dynamic webmail interface
        * document management
        * advanced calendaring with meeting planning, free/busy search, shared calendars, task lists, resource booking, iCal publishing (Mozilla Sunbird, Apple iCal)
        * Outlook connector to integrate personal and group calendars, tasks, contacts
        * SyncML synchronization with Palm, PocketPC, BlackBerry and most mobile phones
        * secure Jabber instant messaging with integrated web client
        * automatic authentication and account import with Active Directory and LDAP servers
        * ... and much more!

good old Palm (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 7 years ago | (#16884206)

I just got a "pocket pc".
I really wish I could get the PDA interface from my good old Palm on this hardware... that, plus the "today" view of this would be nearly ideal.

Re:good old Palm (1)

WuphonsReach (684551) | more than 7 years ago | (#16893840)

AgendaOne might meet your needs. The base functionality in Windows Mobile 5 leaves a lot to be desired. (Note: I'm using AgendaOne on the SmartPhone version of WM5.)

Re:good old Palm (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 7 years ago | (#16896432)

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out.

One thing I didn't realize how much I'd miss... there doesn't seem to be nearly as solid a community for Windows Mobile as there was for Palm back in the day. I haven't found a forum I like or even a great browsable software selection... sigh, maybe I shoulda stuck w/ Treo, though I find the slide out keyboard so much better than that blackberry -ish treo thing.

Re:good old Palm (1)

WuphonsReach (684551) | more than 7 years ago | (#16917624)

Aye, community support is pretty sparse for Windows Mobile. Which is mainly the fault of MS segmenting it's own market (not all PocketPC versions were compatible with each other). Then there's the SmartPhone version of Windows Mobile, which very little from the PPC side will work with.

It's a real shame that Palm screwed the pooch back in the early 2000s.

I keep hoping that Linux-based phones will take back some ground, but none of them were good enough for me to upgrade to this year. So I went with a WM5/SmartPhone.

Re:good old Palm (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 7 years ago | (#16917720)

I've got to see if I can't program for this thing...
I kind of miss PocketC on Palm..
theoretically I can get a MSDN type thing from work, but I'm trying to find out where to start with that...

yr DWM website (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16896842)

That's an unusual website you've got there.

In the vein of "philosophy as fire prevention", have you considered how your belief system (philosophy, if you prefer) is what's at the root of your existential anxiety?

Dig: Time is an artifact of the human sensorium. All things are one thing; the union of the sets of that which exists and that which does not. Your consciousness is a wavefront moving through what is. It's like a worm moving through the earth, the dirt before you is possible future experience and the dirt you excrete is your past experiences. The worm can't ever percieve the totality of the earth, but that doesn't mean it's not real (don't stretch the analogy too far; a finger pointing at the moon is not the moon).

Death is not the termination of existence. That's the confused babbling of an all-too-common but sadly distorted world-view. You, personally, have always been, and always will be. Birth and death are artificially designated points in a matrix that only have meaning in the context of limited understanding - cargo cults make perfect sense to cargo cultists, but seem senseless to people with a wider understanding of reality.

If you come to understand this, you won't worry about death. It really doesn't matter very much. If you say "but I have to see things the way I see them now - all I can do is see the way humans see" you are copping out [] - artists and scientists commonly extend their understanding well beyond that of other people, and are obviously not limited by simple sensory inputs. Einstein was not able to directory measure the speed of light in a vacuum, but his mind could still comprehend it. You can put your fear of death behind you by embracing a wider understanding of reality.

Horde v4.2 + CalDAV? (1)

DamienMcKenna (181101) | more than 7 years ago | (#16884362)

The next version of Horde [] will have support for CalDAV [] . Guess what else will in the next update, that's right, iCal [] !

iSync worksforme (2, Informative)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887418)

Meh, iSync does the job with a minimum of fuss, and it worked with my old SonyEricsson P800, and it works now (after a little XML encouragment) with my Nokia E70. It does calendars, alarms, contacts, even contact pictures. Verynice.

The Perfect Sync (1)

/dev/trash (182850) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888626)


Speaking of sync... (1)

Fred Munster (1030258) | more than 7 years ago | (#16935294)

Has anyone tried "Tilana Reserve" yet? I just found this service from a friend of mine, and I must say, it's pretty nifty. They are currently offering their service for FREE! I highly recommend it. []
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