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Game Industry Folks Siding With the Wii

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the taste dept.

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Gamasutra's semi-regular feature taking the pulse of folks in the game industry turns its attention this week to the PS3 and Wii launches. From the comments submitted to the site, it seems that many industry vets are generally more excited about the Wii than with Sony's offering. From the article: "'Definitely a Wii (already pwii-ordered). The price point of the PS3 and the lack of enticing launch titles makes me as interested in a PS3 as I am interested in getting a root canal.' — Ryan Conlon, Gearbox Software. 'I am buying a Wii because Sony is too arrogant, from their dev tools to the price point.' — Ed O'Tey, Electronic Arts. 'Wii — pre-ordered. I applaud the attempt to expand and explore game interaction with the Wii. I will not be purchasing a PS3.' — Jim Perkins, EA Canada"

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432 comments

Yes (5, Insightful)

Xiph (723935) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886710)

It probably has something to do with Nintendo trying to do things in a new way, while Sony/MS are "just" doing the things they do better. Novelty and originality does count.

Re:Yes (5, Insightful)

PieSquared (867490) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886868)

On the same note, the 360 and PS3 are both pretty much a graphics upgrade. Which means two things, first that (if you have a HDTV, which I don't) it'll look prettier. Second, there is allot more effort, and time, and money, going into making a game for them. If people thought there was too much of a problem with sequels instead of innovation last generation, it'll be worse today: for the 360 and PS3.

With the Wii, though, Nintendo is pretty much forcing developers to innovate at least a little, in order to properly use the controller. If I want a graphics update, I'll get a new card for my PC. I go to a council for a distinctly different experience then a PC, usually based on the controller, since that is the real difference. And now, the Wii makes the controller even *more* different then the PC, which to me is an even greater reason to play. That and it doesn't cost *that* much money.

Re:Yes (3, Funny)

Proud like a god (656928) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887262)

"I go to a council for a distinctly different experience"

How about just going to a console? ;-)

Re:Yes (4, Interesting)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888038)

On the same note, the 360 and PS3 are both pretty much a graphics upgrade.
Actually, the Xbox's network service has a definite step forward, better even than what PC's have (other than not being free). It's got 1) integrated IM that works the same across all games, 2) seamless brain-dead demos and xbox live games, 3) worldwide leaderboards in just about every game, 4) achievements and gamerscore.

And if you can pretty much get the controller for the PC via the Gyration mouse. http://youtube.com/watch?v=piEz74G6WPA [youtube.com] http://youtube.com/watch?v=HUGabGDLg8g [youtube.com]

Re:Yes (4, Interesting)

Phoenix00017 (1017168) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888156)

I would argue that it's a bit more than a graphics upgrade, especially on the part of the PS3. The Cell architecture will allow much more advanced AI and physics, among other things. This has the potential, if the developers take advantage of it appropriately, to really make some new offerings in gaming. We're seeing PCs take the same path with the introduction of the Physx [ageia.com] physics card and a dedicated AI [slashdot.org] chip. The other big step is pure processing power harvested as the ability to present many more entities on screen. Look at Assassin's Creed or Dead Rising as games that have started to use crowd effects to great advantage.

Re:Yes (1, Interesting)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888592)

I think we're going to be seeing more of this with multi-core CPUs. There's no reason to have a special physics chip when that could just be an addition to a core. Imagine a multi-core gaming CPU with a physics and graphics core built in, along with the RAM cache to go with the graphics core, for the price of a video card alone.

This would probably come out of a genesis of cheap graphics/CPU systems built for business.

Couple this with a Flash based card or other persistent memory technology which plugs into device, and you'll have uncopyable and relatively unhackable media that doesn't even need to install.

How, you ask? Boot off the game card itself. Include the entire OS since you only need a small part including drivers, which come down to about 4 companies at this point which all have unified drivers: AMD/ATI, nVidia, Creative, and Broadcom based network chips - heck, have the reader device provide audio and network connectivity, and you can eliminate 2 sources of uncertainty. Doesn't seem too hard. You could even have a small boot section that decrypts the rest of the OS. That would create a console out of your PC.

Well maybe it is. (4, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887568)

Developing a game that uses the PS3 fully will cost a small fortune. It is a big complex machine.
Developing a game for the 360 is going to be a little bit cheaper.
Developing a game for the Wii is a lot cheaper!
It isn't a lot different than the Gamecube. Game makers have got to love it. Your old tools and skills transfer. No need to develop massive amounts of HD content. And best of all. Millions of consoles on the market.
Right now the best a PS3 game can hope to do is what, 100,000 units? That and it does look like a lot of fun!

Now what I hope is all 100,000 PS3s hit EBay today and the price plummets to $50!
Have a nice day.

Re:Well maybe it is. (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888160)

I was thinking the same thing - I read an article where someone said he was hopeing the PS3 would pay for all his christmas gifts. I bet alot of people where thinking that, and I bet they are going to get burned...

Re:Well maybe it is. (1)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888286)

As much as we would like that, the PS3 is a very hot item and the supply is very limited. Those who are lucky enough to grab several are bound to make lots of profit.

I have some hope for man kind. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888410)

I so hope that there are not 100,000 fools that will pay 2000 to 3000 for a $600 console they can buy in six months for $600.
I could be wrong but I can dream.

Re:Well maybe it is. (2, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888182)

I have to admit, I still don't really understand the logic of it all. This is an honest question, and I'd be interested to know the answers.

The PS3 is a more powerful machine (as is the X-Box 360. Let's just lump them together because it's not a significant difference between them, I'll refer to the PS360 below.)

What does this imply? Well, it means: it's capable of running anything that will run on the Wii. If you want, you can use the same graphics and end up with something that runs on the PS360 no worse than it runs on the Wii. In some cases, however, you'll get an automatic boost. Run the same algorithms, and they should run faster. This, in turn, can mean it does more work, eg supports the higher resolution.

"Ok", I pretend to hear you cry, "but there's the static bitmaps and stuff." But does producing something that's, say, 4x as many pixels, really need four times as much work to produce? At that stage, aren't you either rendering and tweaking the renders or scanning hand drawn/photographed artwork?

I can understand going from 320x200 to 1024x768 requiring way more work in terms of cleaned up graphics. But going from 640x400 to 1280x1080, or something, presumably isn't going to add such a level of clarity that, say, you're going to have to add whole facial features to characters that you wouldn't have otherwise done.

So why is it that much more expensive to develop games for the PS360 than the Wii?

Re:Well maybe it is. (1)

jZnat (793348) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888338)

Well, the dev kits cost more for Xbox360 and PS3 than the Wii SDK does.

Re:Well maybe it is. (4, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888376)

The PS3 is going to be a lot more expensive to develop for.
1. The programing model is totally different from anything you have ever done.
2. Textures. It takes artists more time to do a more detailed texture. So what if it is only 5 times bigger? Yes it takes more work. Does it take five times? Maybe not. Will it take at least twice as much time? Probably so.
3. Blue ray! How many plants can press blue ray disks? What about the media costs?

The 360s programing model is a little different but not nearly as revolutionary as the Cell.
The Cell has a huge amount of potential but getting to that is not going to trivial.
The 360 will have the cost of the HD content and a little bit of cost with a slightly different programing model. The big bonus is that a port to of from the PC will be pretty easy.
The PS3 is a lot more complex and probably doesn't have as good of development environment as the 360.

Re:Well maybe it is. (0, Flamebait)

Sancho (17056) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888300)

When talking about why developers will love it, you forgot:
1) a separate (and wholly unconventional) control style must be developed for multiplatform games
2) lower quality textures for multiplatform games
3) smaller potential markets if you develop solely for the Wii.

One thing we saw in the last console generation was massive cross-platform development. Most of the most successful games appeared on at least two of the three consoles, and sometimes on the PC as well. We saw developers basically shooting for the lowest common denominator (the Gamecube) with maybe a few graphical enhancements for the other platforms (though this wasn't the norm, it did happen on the most popular and anticipated games). Even many "exclusive" games were only exclusive for a short time, and eventually appeared on other platforms (Resident Evil 4, for example).

With Nintendo branching off and 'improving' their console in a different direction from the rest of the players, this is bound to change. The lowest common denominator is simply too low and has a different control scheme from the other players. Yes, Wii is innovative. Yes, it has the potential to turn the gaming industry upside down. But it also has the potential to flop horribly due to a lack of titles, since targetting the PS3/Xbox360/PC is probably going to be much easier than targetting the PS3/Xbox360/PC/Wii. If adding the Wii and Wii-specific features doesn't make sense financially, it won't happen, leaving the Wii in a draught of titles. If companies do develop for all 4 platforms, it's likely that the control scheme on the Wii will be a joke, tacked on simply to make use of the controller, or even simply ignored and requiring a "classic" controller to play, making Wii only slightly better than a Gamecube (given its only slightly better CPU and graphics).

I'm really pulling for the Wii, but I'm being realistic at the same time. There's a very good chance that it will flop. I hope not, as I plan for it to be my only next-gen console. Just try not to buy into the hype too much.

Re:Yes (5, Insightful)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888122)

Novelty and originality does count.

Yes, but not as much as you may think.

-I love Belgium beers. The U.S. buys Budweiser.
-I loved Firefly. The world loves Desperate Houswives.
-I have art over my mantlepiece. The suberbanites put a large mirror there.
-I love that little place down the street. The U.S. loves Applebees.

It really doesn't matter what you think of the Wii. The lines waiting for teh PS3 this morning were completely full. The prices on eBay are already legendary. You won't see that with Sunday's launch of the Wii.

I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that origionality or quality actually "count" in the grand scheme of things. But that doesn't mean that you can't enjoy your Wii anyway.

(I would caution those who champion the Wii to take a closer look at what they're doing. They're saying it's great before they've even seen a unit in person. Some guy in another thread insinuated that PS3 purchasers were acting like sheep. Proclaining the Wii as "superior" without haveing every played it is absolutely no better)

TW

Re:Yes (4, Interesting)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888354)

Some guy in another thread insinuated that PS3 purchasers were acting like sheep. Proclaining the Wii as "superior" without haveing every played it is absolutely no better

It is a little better. The people who are twirly eyed over the PS3 do so based on three characters: P S 3. The people who are twirly eyed over the Wii have been following the tech news on the various consoles, read probably multiple articles and even hands on reviews on the subject.

Also, I suspect that it will hard to buy either a PS3 OR a Wii this Winter Shopping Orgy (Christmas). Both companies will be able to sell everything they can bring to market, although perhaps the scalping on the Wii will only be 50% as bad as on the PS3.

Re:Yes (1)

GhaleonStrife (916215) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888422)

There's only one problem. There's Wii kiosks in most EBs. There have been for about a week or so now. Maybe longer. PS3 kiosks? None, to my (Fairly limited) knowledge. Granted, I don't care too much for any of them right now. I'll wait for a killer app to show up that surpasses Gears. If Gears is not beaten in 6 months, I'm getting a 360.

Re:Yes (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888234)

It probably has something to do with Nintendo trying to do things in a new way, while Sony/MS are "just" doing the things they do better. Novelty and originality does count.


"Novelty" often counts a lot more two insiders than to the buying public, which is one reason that in entertainment fields in general, "critical acclaim" and "commercial success" are only occasionally found in the same place.

Well... (5, Funny)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886712)

I'm getting nintendo solely because the effort required to get a PS3 was analagous to a real life game of Dead Rising.

Re:Well... or Why I Stopped Waiting (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888000)

Also, would you honestly think that would fly with a paying audience? I highly doubt it.

Exactly. For example, my local Fred Meyer has 3 PS3 consoles on launch day (hah!) and 70 Wii consoles two days later on launch day.

Waiting in line for the PS3 - waste of time.

Waiting in line for a Wii - lots of fun, friends, and you can pick up the 1GB memory chips while you wait for 12:01 to roll around Saturday night!

Re:Well... (1)

aleksiel (678251) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888018)

just imagine how awesome a game of dead rising would be with the wii....

Re:Well... (1)

jas203 (942742) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888230)

So what you're saying is that to stand a better chance of getting a PS3 you had to own a Xbox360?
Wow, the costs really did start to add up for the potential PS3 owner!

Re:Well... (-1)

ClickWir (166927) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888280)

Choice on console should be based on what games can be used on it.

Kind of pointless to buy a Wii on principal and then have all the games you want to play on the PS3.

What's the point of buying a console based on the console if the other one has all the titles you want?

I think the whole console wars is just a front by the mfgrs to lockin people to a system. People should not care about the console and worry more about the games.

That THAT is why I want a wii (5, Insightful)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886736)

The standard post the people bring up when ever we start drooling over the Wii (and we do drool a bit)is that is is "all about games".

Well, when people that are involved in making the games express prefference on the Wii, I sorta feel compeled to think that the Wii will have more games (and more importantly, a diverse selection).

the anounced titles for the next year (Wii vs PS3) has be interested in 3 games coming out on the PS3, and about 10 games on the Wii.

Re:That THAT is why I want a wii (1)

wiggles (30088) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888112)

That would be nice and all, if the developers actually made the decisions on what games to produce for what platform. Unfortunately, it seems the bean counters make these decisions more and more, and if they think they can make more money by developing for the PS3 than the Wii, you'll see more PS3 games. One can make a very compelling argument for producing more and better Wii games than PS3 games, though... Shorter time to market, less steep learning curve, lower cost of development, etc. Now all we need are for more Wiis in the hands of gamers than PS3s, which seems to be happening at least in the near term, and Nintendo is back on top with a console less advanced than either rival -- reminds me of how the NES beat the Genesis back in the day.

Re:That THAT is why I want a wii (1)

jounihat (884616) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888372)

Actually, for some people it's not all about games. If and when I can install fully supported Linux on PS3, it will become much more than just a gaming machine. But only time will tell how useful it'll be as a computer.

Re:That THAT is why I want a wii (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888570)

Yes, for the four people who care about running Linux on the PS3, it's not all about games. For Sony, the PS3 is a wedge to force acceptance of Blu-Ray. It's not all about games for them.

For the rest of the world buying game consoles? It's all about games.

Wow....EA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16886756)

Two of the selected quote-ees is from EA. I'll take them seriously when they take building PC games seriously.

Re:Wow....EA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16886926)

I agree. Everyone complains about how much EA sucks and how they just rehash last year's Madden with new names. But now that they're siding with the /. popular Wii they're awesome! EA is the last company I want to hear about innovation from. It's funny how attitudes change here when someone in the industry, even if you hate them, agrees with your opinion.

I'm sick of reading how fun the wii is. It's not, because it's not out. It may be fun, but it's not right now. I'll say the Wii is fun and or innovative once I actually play it. I may buy one at launch depending on how I feel. Looks great for sports and such.

Now let the down modding begin.

Re:Wow....EA? (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887250)

see, that is sorta the amusing part.

EA has released a DIFFERENT madden for the Wii. Instead of the standard "ooooo look our game is so much purdier then last yeras, BUY IT!", they focused compleatly on the controlls.

No, I will not buy it (I hate sports games with a passion), however I might just rent it for the novelty sake.

So even there, we are seeing some of the worst companies out there (I do dislike EA, especialy with them taking the rehash market to the BF series now), however, they seem to actualy taking the inovation ball and running with it....

Re:Wow....EA? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16888496)


EA has released a DIFFERENT madden for the Wii. Instead of the standard "ooooo look our game is so much purdier then last yeras, BUY IT!", they focused compleatly on the controlls.


Ah, so now to block on the offensive line, you must hold your arms out in front of you, just like an offensive lineman. When controlling the quarterback, you must target your receivers with a throwing motion. And on running plays, if you don't move your hands as if tucking the ball into the crook of your arm, you'll probably fumble.

With no physical feedback whatsoever, this will make it feel JUST LIKE PLAYING FOOTBALL!

Wiiiiiiiiiii!

Oh my gosh, I just spewed all over myself in excitement! The Wii is hands-down the most fun game machine I imagined owning while waiting for release day! It's a REVOLUTION!

Re:Wow....EA? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886944)

Two of the selected quote-ees is from EA

Well, that settles it. We'd better ignore the comments from Ubisoft, Activision, GarageGames, Full Sail, and other reputable shops. EA is there, so they spoil it for everyone. :-/

Wii Campers? (0, Flamebait)

amrust (686727) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886776)

I wonder... why I have seen no media stories about loads of people camping out in front of stores, for a chance to snag a new Wii? All you ever see is PS3!, PS3!, blah blah.

Re:Wii Campers? (5, Insightful)

tuffy (10202) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886884)

Since there's going to be plenty of Wiis available, there's little incentive to camp out for one to make a quick buck on eBay.

Re:Wii Campers? (1)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887528)

Since there's going to be plenty of Wiis available, there's little incentive to camp out for one to make a quick buck on eBay.

Ding ding ding! I would be bold to say that more than HALF of the PS3 campers are all eBay entrepreneurs. That, mixed with most people could get Wii pre-orders and personal statements like Wal-Mart and big-box retailers getting 50 boxes each means there will be less problems getting a copy... even before Xmas.

Cheers,
Fozzy

Re:Wii Campers? (5, Insightful)

Kimos (859729) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886910)

I wonder... why I have seen no media stories about loads of people camping out in front of stores, for a chance to snag a new Wii?
That's because, in theory, there are plenty of Wiis to go around. Nintendo is manufacturing millions. It shouldn't be hard to get one within the first week or so. At least that's what I'm banking on and from what I've read I don't seem to be alone. With the PS3 everyone knew they didn't make enough to meet demand...

Jab at MS: I tried to pre-order but every store I went to said that after the Xbox360 scandal they've ditched pre-orders almost all together.

Re:Wii Campers? (5, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887320)

That's because, in theory, there are plenty of Wiis to go around. Nintendo is manufacturing millions. It shouldn't be hard to get one within the first week or so. At least that's what I'm banking on and from what I've read I don't seem to be alone. With the PS3 everyone knew they didn't make enough to meet demand...

Yeah, I pretty much feel the same way as you (and I think most people do aswell) ...

The fact is that with how many units Nintendo is producing, and how quickly they should be able to restock, there is little chance of a long term shortage; what this leads to is that there is little opportunity for profit so less scalpers are interested in the system. With scalpers not camping out for days (or weeks) to get a system it is more likely that you will be able to get one on launch day without camping out yourself.

Ultimately this means that the Wii will have a (successful) launch that is very orderly; there aren't going to be riots or muggings, all that is going to happen is most people who want a Wii on launch day are going to get one with (potentially) some having to wait a week or two. This means that there is little that is news worthy so it gets less press.

I have wondered for a while what would happen if the press put a different slant on the stories that they release if you would see companies react differently; if the PS3 launch was reported as "Sony was incompetent and released far too few systems which caused massive riots at Best-Buy" rather than "The PS3 is the hot item to have, and its launch caused riots" would Sony try to ensure that the PS4 launch was orderly? If the Wii launch went well and news agencies reported it as "Nintendo had a successful system launch this weekend selling 950,000 systems; that is over twice as many systems as the XBox 360 or PS3 were able to sell in their opening days" would there be a greater focus on producing enough units to meet demand?

It seems to me that because news agencies focus on negative things that a lot of companies will produce negative things (shortages) in order to get coverage on the news; I'm not saying that Sony went out of their way to produce too few systems, just that if they only got news coverage for a good launch they would ensure that production was on schedule.

Re:Wii Campers? (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888318)

The negative press coverage has the added effect of making gamers in general look like psychotic raving lunatics subservient to evil Japanese overlords in the mind of somebody who doesn't care to tell the difference. Instead of it being about who had a successful launch vs. who had a poorly-coordinated launch, it's about those evil video game companies cleaning our children's bank accounts and driving them to violence in front of Best Buy. I'm glad the console business is doing well, but you'd think that with all the time and effort Sony put into this thing they would have put the system into production way before July [kotaku.com] to ensure people wouldn't have to step all over each other to get one.

Re:Wii Campers? (1)

freeweed (309734) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888362)

Absolutely the news is focussed on the negative.

The most newsworthy game story this week? A console is being released WITHOUT lineups, WITHOUT ebay madnes, and WITHOUT riots. We haven't seen that in many years now. You'd think someone would be pointing this out. The lineups are just typical videogame news now.

Re:Wii Campers? (1)

AnswerIs42 (622520) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888034)

The only thing Wii related that seems to be in short supply on launch day is the new Zelda game.

Re:Wii Campers? (4, Funny)

trmj (579410) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886916)

I believe you'll find your answer here. [vgcats.com]

Re:Wii Campers? (1)

DanielNS84 (847393) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887078)

Maybe because Nintendo is making enough of them?

OOOHH!!! Burned!

Re:Wii Campers? (1)

Durinthal (791855) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887232)

Um.. because the PS3 came out today and the Wii is coming out Sunday?

Re:Wii Campers? (1)

Mr. Hankey (95668) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887240)

I tried to pre-order one, unfortunately I was 28th in line and the Toys R Us only had 25 preorders. Pity they didn't mention that on the pre-order sign, it's the first console I've ever stood in line for and I'm never doing that again. Hopefully there are plenty to go around, I'm quite interested in trying the new controllers. 3D graphics are everywhere, but good 3D input has been a long time coming in the console market.

Based on this article..... (2, Insightful)

LordPhantom (763327) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886838)

.... I can see that "many game industry experts" also like posting as Annonymous Cowards as well! (Disclaimer: I love the Wii and will be buying one long before a PS3, but if they're saying "here's a list of game industry experts" they should get rid of the ones who won't post their names. Sheesh.)

Re:Based on this article..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16887770)

Mods - how is this post offtopic? If you read the article, there are a large number of quotes by anonymous sources.

yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16886840)

Obviously
The Wii makes a lot of sense from a business standpoint.

Poor Sony (2, Informative)

trmj (579410) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886842)

Literally. Didn't they lose some redonkulous amount of money this year due to PS3 R&D? I mean, overall as a company in previous years the gaming department was the only thing keeping Sony afloat, then they go and spend all that money on a system that the industry doesn't even back. Not to mention that the XBox 360 is poised to take Sony's spot in Japan, due to the insanely low price point of the system. Can I get a netcraft troll to confirm it?

Re:Poor Sony (4, Informative)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887204)

I mean, overall as a company in previous years the gaming department was the only thing keeping Sony afloat
What? Whose ass are you pulling that out of?

Sony's recent financials [sony.net] show that Sony Pictures, Sony Games, and Sony Financial Services have been sharing the load -- and the games division has been responsible for less than 1/3 the operating income the last two years, and slightly over 1/3 in 2004. For 2006, Sony Financial Services dominates their operating income.

Re:Poor Sony (5, Informative)

deckstuff (975288) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887424)

xbox 360? japan? more ps3's were sold on the first day in japan than the number of xbox 360's sold in japan all year long

http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten.htm [the-magicbox.com]

of course DS sales (and presumably the wii) > ps3 + xbox360

Re:Poor Sony (1)

redragon (161901) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887992)

Maybe they should listen to developers AHEAD of time next time. Instead of forging ahead blindly based upon their own hubris.

Re:Poor Sony (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888328)

I mean, overall as a company in previous years the gaming department was the only thing keeping Sony afloat,
Um no, infact its only in recent years they have even made a profit after the R&D that went into the PS2 which also promised much but delivered little of what it promised. Actually the only manufacturer who has not only had a financially stable game system, but a profitable one is Nintendo, who actually made more profit off the Gamecube than the PS2 ever did in its life up to date.

Sony music and movies are their profitable divisions.

Ironically enough... (5, Informative)

fatty ding dong (1028344) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886880)

Nintendo is the only company with a next-gen system that ISN'T trying to force a new media standard on gamers. In the past, Nintendo was always the odd one out (sticking with the old cartridges, small optical disc instead of CD or DVD). Now, Nintendo is tapping into the mainstream while the other big two are forcing their standards on gamers. It cost Nintendo when they absolutely had to have their own unique media, now it appears Sony and MS will repeat the mistakes of the past.

Show the gamers a game that makes good use of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray and they may buy some of the hype. Until then, all glory to Nintendo.

Re:Ironically enough... (2, Informative)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887016)

Show the gamers a game that makes good use of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray and they may buy some of the hype. Until then, all glory to Nintendo.

360 isn't forcing a new standard on anyone. You can get an HD-DVD if you so choose, but it won't be required for games - it just saves you some space and money if you areally are interested in HD-DVD.

Nintendo, on the other hand, doesn't offer you so much as a DVD player along with the Wii - they are stricter than the other guys in terms of forcing a standard with a format exclusive to them and them alone.

Re:Ironically enough... (2, Informative)

saboola (655522) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887022)

The Xbox 360 runs on standard DVD, not HD-DVD. Just to clarify your post a bit. You can buy an HD-DVD addon now for the 360, but it only plays movies not games. Microsoft and Nintendo our both taking the standard DVD route.

Re:Ironically enough... (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887066)

TO be fair, the 360 is not forcing anything ... the HD-DVD is an option, as it should have been with the PS3, had Sony not been taken over by their media division. An exec from Sony Canada raved about the Blu-ray drive and HD in an interview before even mentioning the game platform.

Re:Ironically enough... (1)

Loadmaster (720754) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887086)

What new media standard is MS trying to force on gamers? HD-DVD? How is offering an add on, that has no gaming capability, the same as forcing? The 360 media standard is DVD9. And MS isn't forcing the HD-DVD standard on gamers since it's for movies only.

Swi

Wii puns (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16886952)

Cheesey Wii pun contest starts!

Looks like Nintendo has a Wiinner on their hands.

Re:Wii puns (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16887068)

Looks like Nintendo has a Wiinner on their hands.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Now excuse me, I need to double over in laughter. (BWHAHAH! HAH!)

Re:Wii puns (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16887720)

The cut scene at the end of the game was a nice Wii-ward!

One thing people forget... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16886962)

...is that in the end, it is not the "game industry's" opinions that matter. The only opinion which truly matters is that of the consumer.

Re:One thing people forget... (1)

Turken (139591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887538)

Well, actually the "game industry" opinions DO matter. Consumers will have a hard time playing games on a system if most of the developers don't make games for that system.

Re:One thing people forget... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16888464)

Their feelings about the consoles don't really matter...companies develop games in order to sell them. So, assuming all things equal, it would be foolish for a majority of developers to ignore one console and let a minority of developers rake in the sales unchallenged.

Re:One thing people forget... (1)

jizziknight (976750) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888520)

Exactly. The way I see it, the industry and the consumers feed off each other.

The devs prefer to make games for the system that has the largest install base because they'll have the best chance of selling a lot of copies. Of course, this is also dependent upon dev costs. If the costs of developing for a certain console (*cough*PS3*cough*) are high enough to significantly impact their profit margins, that dev house might look to the next console in line (in terms of install base). Conversely, if the the dev costs for a console are low enough, they may choose to make games for that console instead of or in addition to the console with the largest install base because they stand to make a profit even if they don't sell as many games.

On the consumer side, they (fanboism aside) prefer to buy the console with the most anticipated or existing quality games. And of course the price of the console affects this. The price needs to be mostly in line with the consumer's perceived value (fun/usability/whatever) of owning that console.

So it ends up being a vicious cycle, but either group can theoretically sway the trend the way they want. So if devs like making games for the Wii, more games will be available for the Wii, and in time, the Wii will end up having the largest install base. But if the consumers hate the Wii for whatever reason, and refuse to buy it, the devs will end up making games for another system in order to make a profit.

Just for argument's sake let's assume the following:
  1. Devs love the Wii, hate the PS3, and are indifferent towards the Xbox360.
  2. Consumers love the PS3, and hate both the Xbox360 and Wii.
  3. Both groups are stubborn bastards.

So devs decide to mostly make games for the Wii and make a few for the Xbox360, but consumers only buy the PS3. Well both groups are SOL. So what happens? Who gives in? It's a matter of who has the most perceived power. It's a lot easier for the consumers to drop $250 each on a Wii than for the devs to drop a few million per game to start making/porting games for the PS3. So if the devs hold out indefinitely, they can force a switch. If the consumers then decide hold out, they're still at the mercy of the devs (unless the devs give up) because they can only play what the devs are willing to make. Of course, it could go the other way as well. It will never end in a stalemate because then nobody gets anything. It boils down to how resistant each side is to change. The consumers are the least resistant in terms of cost, but can individually be more resistant in terms of personal preference.

In reality, neither group has any more real power, because both will generally react to whatever the current trend is, and once a strong trend is apparent, it will eventually become the prevailing trend (and console). Yes, in theory, each group can enact a significant change, but only if the majority of the group acts together and is willing to hold out for an indefinite amount of time (which as we all know, will never happen).

It is all Relative (5, Insightful)

jcrash (516507) | more than 7 years ago | (#16886982)

It depends on what you want. If you are looking for certain titles, you will be getting a specific console. If you are looking for the MOST games, you will probably be getting a Nintendo. If you are price-conscious (as virtually all consumers are), you will definitely get a Nintendo.

Nintendo is making the right move at the right time. Assuming they decide to come out with a wiii (i.e. next generation of console) faster than the others do, they will then be able to price is similar to this model and maintain their consumers. Honestly, $700 starter cost for a console is probably out of reach for around 80% of the average gamers. This is a market where you are going to make more money in the middle than at the leading edge.

Development Costs (2, Interesting)

wooden pickle (1006975) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887034)

Developers also probably like the Wii from a financial sense. I R not a game programmer, but it's got to be easier and cheaper to develop for. Madden on the Wii is going to be a completely new experience with extremely low dev costs. All they do is port the gamecube version, polish it up, and add in the new controls. Madden on the PS3 and 360 is also somewhat new, but mainly on account of spending lots of money to make perty new graphics.

Re:Development Costs (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887650)

Developers also probably like the Wii from a financial sense. I R not a game programmer, but it's got to be easier and cheaper to develop for. Madden on the Wii is going to be a completely new experience with extremely low dev costs. All they do is port the gamecube version, polish it up, and add in the new controls. Madden on the PS3 and 360 is also somewhat new, but mainly on account of spending lots of money to make perty new graphics.

It really has very little to do with game programmers and when someone starts saying that development costs are effected by the "difficulty of programming for the Cell" or what not you can tell they don't really know what they're talking about; I know you didn't do this, but it is a pet peeve of mine.

The fact is that state of the art computer graphics (almost always) involve increasing the ammount of data (usually through adding a texture) on top of a surface in order to emulate a physical property; for example Normal Maps are just textures full of surface normals that are used to emulate small geometry on a surface, and BDRFs can be used to emulate material properties or micro-geometry of a surface. All of this data that is added to the surface has to be generated by a person (either through texturing or writing a shader) and applied to the surface by a person (usally a texture artist).

What this means is that in order to create a Next Generation game you have to hire many more artists which causes the development costs to skyrocket (currently the FIFA team at EA is larger than 100 people). The Wii allows developers to produce upgraded versions of previous generation graphics which means that development costs are pretty stable. The end result is that Next Generation games on the PS3/Xbox 360 cost 3 to 4 times as much to produce than a Wii game.

I'm beginning to think Sony might win (1)

hsoft (742011) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887166)

Until now, I thought that PS3 would utterly fail, leaving either the wii or xbox in first position (I assumed xbox would be), but the ps3 coverage in mainstream media is just insane. I guess there's some bribery that has been going on. Well, there is also the (artificial?) riots that the media like to cover in the news at 11... Well, we'll see what the wii's coverage in mainstream media will be.

On my part, it will be none of them. I'll try to buy a used GC at some insanely low price (maybe they'll go at 10-15$?) so I can play wind walker. maybe.

Re:I'm beginning to think Sony might win (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887708)

Doubt you'll find one that low in price unless it's broken.

Re:I'm beginning to think Sony might win (2, Interesting)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888298)

true story, I bought a "broken" xbox off a guy for $5, opened it up, re-soldered the power cable base, then reveled in the glory of a (at the time) $250 gaming machine working perfectly. I was originally buying it just to Frankenstein my other broken one back to life, but who's counting anywat. . .

Reminds Me Of A Conversation... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16887172)

A long time ago there was someone from SF talking to someone from LA in a group of people I was in. The SF person said to the LA person "Everyone in SF hates people from LA." - in a very snotty voice - "What do LA people think of SF people"

The LA person responded "We don't." And that was the end of the conversation.

  So let's see what we have here in this 'survey'...

A mass of anonymous fanboys and 'dude who plays with OpenGL on his Windows box making things shiny with teh shaders'
A handful of middling to no-name pc developers
And one or two people from an actual real world console developer

Knock yourself out in believing this ridiculous waste of time. Whatever floats your boat.

The fact of the matter is the vast,vast,vast majority of console developers don't post online - it's simply not in our culture to do so. Never have and probably never will. The vast,vast,vast majority of of console developers are buying PS3s. Especially with the whole Linux development stuff to go with the amazingly powerful hardware. Most of us make very good money and have very good home media equipment and are already starting to pickup BluRay movies. We've been starved for HD content to go with our 1080p TVs that more and more of us are buying.

And of course 40 player Resistance. Fucking kick ass.

Very few of us are actually excited about the Wii because most of us have already had time to fool around with it. The most common reaction is 'the novelty wears of fairly quickly'. And we also know that the majority of Wii stuff in the pipeline from publishers is PS2/GC/Xbox games/engines dumped on the Wii with some pointing/swinging bolted on.

We've already been through the whole 'let's brainstorm over all the innovative gameplay' for new Wii games. After pointing to shoot, swinging swords, and the handful of other ways the Wii controller is being used there is a whole lot of silence. I don't know any other devs who are excited about Wii stuff anymore. There were quite a few back around E3, but that enthusiasm has pretty much gone away over the past months since the show.

And for most console devs, there's a Wii at the office somewhere for people to play. Most Wii stuff isn't that fun to play alone and you can easily get your fill at work since most of the games so far are fairly small.

Re:Reminds Me Of A Conversation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16887854)

And then an AC comes along and posts his high and mighty developer opinion on Slashdot and we are supposed to lap it up? You just contradicted yourself. Fuck off.

Re:Reminds Me Of A Conversation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16887906)

The vast,vast,vast majority of of console developers are buying PS3s.

Speaking as a reader of thechaosengine, bollocks. There is apparently one good game for PS3; I'm looking forward to several on the Wii. The first party titles alone are worth it. Admittedly various surveys might be biased because in many countries the PS3 won't even be coming out this year.

Re:Reminds Me Of A Conversation... (3, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887956)

The fact of the matter is the vast,vast,vast majority of console developers don't post online - it's simply not in our culture to do so. Never have and probably never will.

An AC pretending to be a vidogame developer ... how original ...

So Mr Game Developer why do you need a 4 dimentional matrix to store transformations in a 3 dimentional game? What size of matrix do you need for a 2 dimentional game?

The vast,vast,vast majority of of console developers are buying PS3s. Especially with the whole Linux development stuff to go with the amazingly powerful hardware

Not to be blunt, why would any developer spend $600 to have a linux system whey you can do (pretty much) exactly the same thing with a $200 PC?

Most of us make very good money and have very good home media equipment and are already starting to pickup BluRay movies.

100% proof that you are not a game developer ...
I used to be one, now make about three times as much money as a independant contracting web developer; game developers are paid poorly, and have little time to watch movies because they are worked to death ...

Re:Reminds Me Of A Conversation... (4, Insightful)

L7_ (645377) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888194)

seriously, unless you log in, you are just a paid sony astroturfer.

Re:Reminds Me Of A Conversation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16888272)

Now that is a troll.

I salute you, sir.

Controller... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16887218)

No offense to those who like the Wii, but I for one prefer a gamepad over something that requires nothing but motion sensing. Unless they can immerse me enough visually, I'd prefer to play the game NOT be in it.

Re:Controller... (2, Insightful)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887478)

Heh, this is actualy one of the few reasonable objections to the Wii (the other is "well, I like prety graphics").

I am a nintendo fanboy, I am gettign a Wii, I am stoked about the controlers. However, there is still that nagging doubt that if they don't pull it off perfectly, where you don't have to think about the controller more then the game, then there will be problems.

Some of my reservations were taken away by the fact that Nintendo announced that not all games will use the WiiMote (Smash Bros will use a clasic controller or a NGC controller). So they are not forcing developers to use it when a standard controller works better.

I also got to play around with a Wii last week (nintendo world store), and the controller DOES seem to work from a functional standpoint. It was responsive, it is not that heavy (It is a lighter then a standard controller, however you are holding it in 1 hand generaly), and it does seem to be acurate.

So, only time will tell, and I still am slightly woried, but I think it will prevail.

Re:Controller... (1)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888070)

I think even if the controller degenerates, it will still be, in essence, a pointer. And that's pretty damn cool, even if it's not a "swing your sword, round and round now dosido!"

Seriously - it's basicaly mouse-based interfaces on a console. That's good stuff.

Let's not forget.. (4, Funny)

ACAx1985 (989265) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887336)

This article fails to mention Matt Stone and Trey Parker. Two weeks was too long to wait for a Wii, so freezing yourself in a Colorado mountain top and hoping to thaw on launch date is the only viable solution. Didn't see them so stoked for a PS3 :)

Price Point? (1)

Gobiner (698872) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887408)

Every time I hear people talking about the cost of a PS3 they always say "price point." Is "price" or "cost" just too dumb sounding?

Re:Price Point? (0, Troll)

pilkul (667659) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887638)

"Price point" is a marketing/economics term with a specific meaning somewhat different than just "price". See the Wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] .

I am not sure if everyone using the term when talking about the PS3 understands the distinction, but anyway it is not a useless term.

Why would anyone buy a PS3 now? (3, Interesting)

ConfusedSelfHating (1000521) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887498)

The only good launch title is Resistance:Fall of Man. The titles that are on both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are better on the Xbox 360. Many of the games that were meant to come out for launch are being pushed back until there is a larger install base. There aren't that many movie titles available for the Blu Ray movie format right now. The PS3 will only get better with age. When there are a larger number of games available and there is a significant price drop, the PS3 may be a worthwhile purchase.

I'm not interested in the Wii, but I understand why people are. After seeing a video of the Wii in action I lost all interest. However a lot of message comments about the same video showed that there were many Wii fans. I think that the Wii will sell very well, I just won't buy one. At $249 with a game, it's a low risk investment in gaming. I may pick one up in a year or two if I see some games that interest me. If I was a Nintendo fan, I would buy one at launch.

It's just a matter of time before I buy an Xbox 360. It's high definition gaming at a much more reasonable price than the PS3. I don't want to watch movies on a console, so Blu Ray isn't very important to me. I am waiting for a significant price drop before I buy one.

no rumble (2, Interesting)

HelloKitty (71619) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887558)

I wont buy the PS3 since it doesnt have rumble now...
that combined with lack luster launch titles (ridge racer is the best???).
and the high price...

I'd take a Wii any day over the ps3...
xbox just did everything right this time.
i used to love ps2.
but they just screwed up the controller this time.

iawtp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16888388)

The controller for the ps3 not having rumble functionality makes me so mad that I now hate the ps2 and women.

Wait a year (-1, Troll)

SQLz (564901) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887592)

Their Wii will be collecting dust as they play new games in HD.

Wii vs PS3 (3, Interesting)

porkThreeWays (895269) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887648)

I think the wii is going to be badass and I'm personally going to buy one. However, I think the wii will be fighting for the 2nd spot on the big three totem pole and not 1st. I just don't know enough hard core gamers that are excited about the wii. I've noticed that many of the hardcore gamers I know are satisfied with the idea of a system that offers nothing more than better graphics than the old system. The wii is radically different. I don't think they really even want to have to raise their arms to use the wiimote. I love nintendo and I think the wii will be badass, but I just don't see them capturing the hardcore audience.

The best they can hope for is getting the general public that normally don't play video games to play the wii. Most people find xbox and playstation controllers confusing and cumbersome. Maybe the wiimote will deliver a more natural style of play with a lower learning curve, hence a lower barrier to playing games. However, hardcore gamers (and even moderate gamers) are pretty used to xbox and playstation style controllers and will probably find it harder to get used to the wii controller. I don't think they will get much of the hardcore and moderate gamer market. Maybe they can become the ipod of the video game world this generation?

Re:Wii vs PS3 (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887850)

The Wii will be either first or third. The PS3 and 360 are competing for the same hardcore gamer audience. Those people want to play more refined versions of the same games they're playing now. They might also buy the Wii, but they're not the Wii's target audience.

The Wii is aiming at the non-hardcore who want something easier to get into and without an intimidating controller loaded with buttons and control sticks. If Nintendo can deliver to these people, it'll easily surpass both the 360 and PS3 much like the DS blew past the PSP. If that audience is too small or doesn't buy into the system, the Wii won't get out of third place.

Re:Wii vs PS3 (2, Insightful)

freeweed (309734) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888462)

You do realize that "hardcore gamers" haven't been the largest market segment for a loooooong time now, right?

Assuming the Wii does end up appealing to the general public, it will end up in the #1 spot simply because that's 95% of the market.

Are you saying (1)

DRAGONWEEZEL (125809) | more than 7 years ago | (#16887764)

That the PS3 is going to cry Wii Wii Wii all the way home?

This little 360 went to market,
This would have been camper stayed home
This Launch date we ate Pringels all night,
This for a PS3 but there were none.
This little game system cried Wii Wii Wii all the way home.

A DW original.

It's not a war, the Wii is not a side (5, Insightful)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888196)

There are stores that sell consoles. You can buy a Wii. You can buy a PS3. You can buy an Xbox 360. You can buy all three or just buy a discounted PS2. All of these products will still be available in two, three, four or more years time (except maybe the PS2). Why does everyone have this obsession with X being the best or Y being the winner? Just go out and buy what makes you happy. Years ago I bought a Nintendo 64. Everyone said it was a flop. Countless articles today still claim it was a flop. But guess what? I never noticed, I just played Super Mario 64 and Goldeneye and I was happy. I can understand why this all matters if your 401(k) or pension portfolio is dominated by game company stock. But otherwise, just get out there and have fun! I know I will. (Probably on a Wii ;-)

Re:It's not a war, the Wii is not a side (1, Redundant)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888308)

My sentiments exactly. I'd give you a mod point if I had one.

Re:It's not a war, the Wii is not a side (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16888580)

Yeah, but what if you'd bought an N-gage or Gizmondo? The N64 was far from a flop, it just came second. Some consoles really do fail.

"pwii-ordered"? I'M ABOUT TO PII IN MY PANTS!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16888266)

Let's make some cute puns and then stuff a Wii remote up our gaping assholes.

Devs like Wii because it's better for them. (3, Insightful)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888430)

Nintendo's push for innovation over graphical prowess is exciting for game developers, both because they like innovation and they dislike cutting-edge graphics (which require 8-figure budgets, which leads to more conservative game publishers who don't want to risk such huge investments, which leads to tough times for any developer who doesn't want to spend his or her life updating the facial animations for Madden 20XX).

This doesn't mean ordinary GAMERS should necessarily prefer Wii. A lot of gamers only go for the AAA titles that can afford to have great graphics AND excellent gameplay, plot, etc. For them, it comes down to a much more difficult personal preference between new controller schemes and advanced graphics.

Oh yeah, and a few hundred bucks and a six-day line outside a Gamestop in a gloomy strip mall.

Congrats, Sony... (1)

paniq (833972) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888438)

...you got pwiined!

get it? pwiined!! ha ha ha. oh boy.

Why are so many people hung up on graphics? (1)

Saint V Flux (915378) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888494)

Jesus people, the only reasons anyone ever has for why PS3 or Xbox 360 are better is because they have "better graphics". Yea, there's a reason to drop down a few hundred on a console and $60 a game -- to look at pretty pictures while I beat my head through the wall due to crap gameplay. Yes, there are some good games (Sony has Final Fantasy, Xbox 360 has Gears of War), but so many games for those systems are merely ports of PC games that I can get to look much better on my computer than I can on a console. Nintendo may not have the most cutting edge graphics or the latest marketing ploy (blue-ray anyone?), but they have a higher percentage of quality games. That is why Nintendo is the better system -- because they know what real gamers want. Real gamers want a fun game and don't care if you can count the exact number of pores on someones face in the game.

real problem with the PS3 (2, Insightful)

Srsen (413456) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888508)

The real problem with the PS3 was that Sony underpriced them. Yes, I meant to say underpriced. With the pent-up demand, they should have slapped a "First Edition" sticker on the initial shipment and sold them for $1200. They still would have sold out, but people would be much less upset at not getting one if they could never had afforded them anyway.

Then ship a million of them in December at the regular price. Why is Sony taking a loss on this first shipment when they don't have to? All they're doing is giving away the margin that resellers are making on eBay.

Sony can't be bothered to sell me a PS3 (1)

giafly (926567) | more than 7 years ago | (#16888582)

...so I'm certainly not going to wait until next Summer when I'm allowed to buy one. Kiss any thought of an HDTV sale goodbye, Sony.

The Wii looks very good, but to be honest I think the DS is the better choice for adults, though it's not "next gen", because you can take it to work.
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